Can someone explain to my why Pokemon/Nintendo fans are like this?
>>734012270What's there to explain, they're brainded cattle.
11k is nothing
because we care about content, not frames, why I need a game to run at 60? what is the benefit?
Movies are in 24fps and no one complains. Games at 30 look more cinematic. 60+ is good but if you’re an idiotic zoomer with adhd brain it’s essential apparently
>>734012270Because I will wait and see what the game runs at.
>>734012270>you really need this turn-based monster catcher to run at 60fps
>>73401239330fps looks choppy and is objectively less responsive. Just because your eyes suck doesn't mean other people can't see the difference.
>>734012270i was a console player for the longest time so i kinda get it. I will say the only thing i think is more important than a high frame rate is stable frame rate cuz holy shit stuttering made me feel like vomitting.
only pc gaymers care about fps>WAAAAAAH IT'S UNPLAYABLE IF IT'S NOT ABOVE 120 FPSshut up
>>73401227030 for a turn based RPG isn't really that bad
>>734012270Ignorance is bliss, but 30 fps is fine for a JRPG if its consistent
Handheld running games at 30 fps is ok. Especially if it's turn-based. Realistically that's what you should aim at.t. 1440p @ 165hz Ultrawide fag
>>734012357branded or braindead?
>SV runs at 60 fps on the S2>Surely this game won't!
I only care if a game runs at a consistent framerate or 60fps if it's a multiplayer/competitive game or an action game that requires precise timings. In a turn-based rpg it literally doesn't matter if the game is 30fps and drops frames. It just doesn't.I haven't cared about Pokémon since Gen 1, either, before you call me a Pokémon shill or some other retarded shit.
>>734012474>looks choppy and is objectively less responsiveand why this matter in a turn based rpg again?
>>734012516Issue is Switch 1 and 2 were marketed as home consoles that sold its software at home console prices. 30fps is unacceptable to anyone who isn't a fanboy
>>734012270The appeal is the lower it is the more chance to induce health problems that's why you wear glasses 24/7>>734012357Fibby bibby
>>734012689>SAAR WHY THIS MATTERBecause open world 3D exploration feels like shit at 30 you thirdie
>>734012724It's completely fine.t. same fag as before adding that I don't even own a Switch 2
>>734012542How about both
I'd rather take a new game with new content over frame rate and resolution and ray tracing. Games are meant to be games, not technical showcases.
>>734012270If the choice is between 30 fps and what they showed, or 60 fps and how Sword and Shield looked, then I'll take the former.
>>734012763gta5 and rdr2 run at 30fps on console
>>734012270they still have a year to polish this
>>734012270Is this surprising to anyone? Console players rarely ever experience framerate that isn't static, so they can't even comprehend the difference. It's worse when they're younger, since they're growing up in a generation of shitty optimization and lower static FPS in general. Them starting a game that begins at even 24 FPS and remains that way throughout it is unnoticeable to them as something lower than 30, let alone 60. We PC players can easily spot lower FPS because we've experienced it dynamically. We know what it looks and feels like.
>>734012270I remember back in the day when xbox/playstation fags were unironically defending 30fps in games saying it gives a "cinematic quality" to the game and 60fps breaks the immersion. So no, it's nothing new.
>>734012270Because it makes you cry like a fucking baby. Seriously stop letting nintendo live rent free in your head.
30fps isn't great and I actually feel like menu-based JRPG is one of the types of gameplay where you feel framerate the most, not the least, it feels like shit to quickly select options in a sluggish menu. It's true you don't need reactions but it just feels worse.But if it's part of the price needed so the game could look better than a Unity asset flip, it's worth it. It's not like Pokemon used to look like RE9 does at 60fps on consoles, the game was too compromised to reach that.
>>734012270>SV>60 FPSummmmmm
>>734012270>the switch 2 cant run a ps3 game at 60fps
>>734012270You laugh but there's a rumor that the old guard at Nintendo was really really confused a few years back when some of the younger team members were talking about frame rates. They thought it meant how fast the gameplay was.
>>734012270He only understands the appeal of children
>>734012763seething
>>734012432Movies are typically a stable framerate and don't suddenly drop to 15 fps with missing in-betweens during action scenes.
high framerate is nice but it's really not a big deal to me. maybe it's cause I had a shit computer growing up so I got used to playing games at sub-30 fps, hell sometimes WoW would drop to single digit fps and I'd deal with it. I wouldn't put up with that anymore but 30fps is fine to me. I honestly don't really care that much about graphics either. it's another of those things where having nice graphics is a bonus, but poor graphics aren't a dealbreaker, unless they're unreadable. I never thought modern Pokemon's biggest issue was poor graphics and technical specs. they're just poorly designed games on a fundamental level. applying a coat of paint isn't going to fix that.
>mfw there are actually NPCs who can't just imagine the game running at infinite framerate in their head
>>734013329it is on the S2
>>734013806Huh. Did they fix the nasty LOD as well?
>>734012848i hate people like this
>>734013120And they're shit.
>>734012357I smiled when I saw him in the direct yesterday.
Real pokemon fans just turn off animations and would be happier playing an Excel sheet, anyway.
>>734013901trueonly nintendo makes good gamesglad you agree
>>734013854yeah they also changed the textures and made it so more pokemon spawn.
>>734012270Call me optimistic, but maybe the trailer fps has nothing to do with in game fps?
>>734012270
>>734012848Mirin the balance of this gyroscopic sperg.
>>734012270My standards for Pokemon are low so I'll take a stable 30fps over SV's choppy 60 that never actually reached 60 anyway.
>>734014129The trailer has a watermark saying the trailer doesn't represent the final product so there's no point jumping to conclusions when the game is still so far away
>>734016114SV on switch 2 was mostly 60 except in blizzards
>>734016216>It-It's not representative of the final product!>Game comes out>Runs at 30fpsEvery. Single.Time.
>>734016216>The trailer has a watermark saying the trailer doesn't represent the final productOh shit, thanks Anon because we know that has never been total bullshit before a game releases. Glad you were here to remind us and run defense for the richest corporation on the planet in order to set us straight.
but neither SV nor ZA had 60 fps trailers why are the hater so openly fully retarded like that?
>>734016624Yes, you have to be reminded you're retarded making calls on a game you haven't played and know nothing about
>>734017741You're right, Anon. We don't have a track record for Pokemon games to analyze, guess everyone should shut up and give money to Gamefreak and be happy for the privilege! You make such good arguments.
>>734016524>>734017741>>734017936no point in bickering about it now, following the months before release I'm sure there will be preview eventswe'll know for sure then and that is a year away
>>734012270>game is a year out and only just got a reveal trailer>better fixate on the fps of a video
>11k likes on twitter
>>734016714Game Freak has finally became a real AAA studio with the ability to render out-of-engine footage[bad news]
>>734012270Sour grapes, like when I was a little kid with a shit computer, I would say things like, "The 'low' settings actually aren't that bad!"Difference is, I grew up and realized I was being an idiot. Meanwhile, the whole premise of being a Nintendy-adult is that they CAN'T grow up, so of course they're going to sit there and praise themselves for not having standards.
>>734012393>we care about content in a game where you only click a
>PLEASE LEAVE THE MULTIBILLION DOLLAR CORP ALONEHow do these people not forget to breathe through their mouth?
>>734012456>anime poster is retardedevery single time.
It's not pokemon fans they play fire red on loop, this is just nintendies who get one 10 hour long game per quarter.
>>734012432Classic, nobody believes this trash I wouldn't touch a game that dips below 120 fps at this point
>not 60fps like SVlmao at this falseflagging, SV didn't run at 60fps until the Switch 2 update, AND it still has rendering issues
>>734017936You don't have a track record no. It's already been disproven
>>734018323You have Game Freak Derangement Syndrome and are hallucinating reasons to make yourself mad instead of sticking to real tangible complaints, which ends up poisoning your entire argument and the arguments of everyone on "your side."
I know it's not by the same team, but Pokopia's reveal trailer was at 30 FPS but it's at 60.I doubt it'll be 60 in the final game but it's possible I guess.
>>734018563Fact, that game struggles to hit stable 15 fps in some better looking parts. It can do UP TO 60 fps, which I assume this game can do UP TO 30 fps because it looks better and runs on the same 2014 iphone hardware.
>>734018563>falseflagging, SV didn't run at 60fps until the Switch 2Gen 10 is a Switch 2 game.
>Seriously believing Centro
>>734012270Same desu.I genuinely can’t tell fps difference unless it goes below 30.
>>734012270we all used to play at 20fps and no one complained
>>734018840That was 30 years ago…
>>734018647Calling anything poisoning while talking about sides is pure projection.
>XitterGo back
This is why.
>>734018840>I complained when this game came out because the rendered 2d sections looked like bullshitEither way, tvs back then were limited to cinematic 50/60 fps, monitors now can go up to 480fps, this piece of shit runs at half of the n64's framerate. It's a step backwards
>>734018840You're right. Things should never improve. Standards should never increase.
Do we genuinely have people ITT in the year of our lord 2026 claiming they cant tell the difference between 30 and 60 FPS?Holy fucking kek
>>734012474>30fps looks choppyNot to me.>and is objectively less responsiveWorks on my machine.
>>734019075I think it's just a meme at this point, that or they do not belong here like most tourists.
>>734012393>why I need a game to run at 60?is this a serious question? it looks like shit at 30 fps, choppy and blurry as fuck
>>734019075They have a point....our eyes can't really see the difference anyways. Maybe we should admit that.
Isn't Centro a nigger?
>>734014045>only nintendo makes good gamessome zelda games were at 30 fps tendie, ocarina of time was at fucking 20 fps lmao
>>73401227060 vs 30 isn't as big a deal for games like pokemon because it doesn't have much if any impact on gameplay.
>>734019026no one ever thought>holy shit I can't wait until I can experience 120fps!!we were thinking>holy shit I can't wait until we can create in-depth virtual worlds where we can do anything we want!
>>734013054false dichotomy, with the switch 2's power they could go for good graphics + 60 fps, but since they're incompetent/lazy fucks and they know you'll buy anyways they don't bother, they don't respect you because you don't respect yourself
In my opinion, any game that has free camera movement (like the modern Pokemon games do) basically require 60 fps minimum. 30 is borderline unplayable. Like maybe you put up with it but it will be an inherently offputting experience.
>>734018647>hallucinating reasons to make yourself madoh yeah, 30 fps was an hallucination you fucking tendie cattle
Saying 30fps is fine is just coping when the game has PS2 graphics
>>734019318you spend a lot of time wandering around though, at 30 fps it's just a bad experience, it should not be the norm, 30 fps should be a thing of the past in the year of our lord 2026
>>734018840I could excuse a 1998 game having shit fps, not a fucking 2026 game, we were supposed to improve in 30 years, looks like gamefreak hasn't gotten the memo
>>734012270When you play at low framerates for long enough, you get used to them. They are accustomed to eating shit, whenever they play Nintendo's games at 60 FPS they assume those games play better because Nintendo made them. They don't understand why they feel much better to play and can't put 2+2 together.
>>734019387as a kid before I even know what fps are Tekken games always looks so fast and fluid to me (because it's 60fps) I hoped that in the future every game would be like that.
>>734019272Yep. /vp/ knows the score. /v/ is too determined to infight to realize they're being duped.
>>734012357Yep, everyone knows Pokémon fans have no standards
>>734012270>twitter screenshot>"why [X] are like this saar?"jeet/bot thread
>>734012270Appeal? That word doesn't make sense to describe this, it's just does your eyes hurt by looking at the screen or is it smooth?
>>734012357>What's there to explain, they're brainded cattle.fpbp
>>734012270Tendies are blind that's why. According to them OOT is the best game ever because muh metacritic and that game is V-Sync locked to 15 FPS and often goes well below that.
>>734012432This
>>734012270How can you tell when watching the trailer?Serious question: like you can notice when a game is dopping frames/lagging because it looks abnormal. But how do you know if this is 30 as opposed to 60?The graphical quality was better than previous games.
>>734019794I'm glad they decompiled OoT, I played it in 1998 and then in 2023 with a glorious 60 fps mod, feelsgoodman
>>734020097if it was at 60 fps you'd see the trailer go over 30 fps at some point, it never did, if they decided to go for 60 then goddam they fucked the optimization bad since it's not even reaching more than 30 fps once
if fps is the only thing people have to complain about a game, especially if its only in a reveal trailer, then they have no other reason to complain and are just reaching for things to get outraged about
>>734012270some people are born shiteaters. Sad, many such cases.
>>734020279>fps is not importantit fucking is, people are buying a 450 dollars console, expecting that console to be powerful enough to run a gamecube game at 60 fps, jesus christ you guys are such a cult
>>734020443fps is literally not an issue, unless it dips below 10
>>734019670It's not even funny anymore. Just the same copypasted posts.But I'm the biggest fool for clicking these twitter threads.
>>734012270>Can someone explain to my why Pokemon/Nintendo fans are like this?stocholm syndrome, they're ok to take the abuse as long as gamefreak keep pumping out unoptimized rushed games
>>734020530>unless it dips below 10so 11 fps is fine?
>>734012270Nerds could never admit that most gamers don't give a shit about graphics or if games are 30 FPS
Do games need to be high frame rate for me to enjoy them? No.But a well engineers piece of software implies the person who worked on it had some level of care, and most importantly, ran the game. They maybe even played it.Can you imagine, a video game made by someone that plays that video game. Versus one made by people who never even step foot in-engine.It speaks for itself.
>the game runs at 30 fps>source? the compressed youtube stream, that runs at 30 fpsdaily reminder centro is a retard
Considering GF can only hit 25 on a good day when the planets align, I'll take a stable 30.Gamefreak at 60fps would just be SV quality all over again.
>>734020443sit down caco, you already got your daily dose of rape n gape today
>>734020792>it's centro's fault that gamefreak decided to release a 30fps video in the year of our lord 2026come on dude, stop sucking their dick so hard
>another zoomy zoom MUH GRAFIXXXX MUH BENCHMARXXX threadEnough. I want to know about the gameplay and features, not this faggot console war bait.
>>734020880see>>734020854-56416 karma to ziony for being a retarded black ape btw
>>734020992>>734020854>-56416 karma to ziony for being a retarded black ape btwso that's how the average gamefreak cattle communicates? interesting, that explains a lot actually
>>734012270Once you get above 24 FPS the difference is unnoticeable. There is really no reason to go above 30 FPS as that is about what we see at.
>>734012578SV looks like shit and is a switch game while this looks decent so an fps drop wouldn't be surprising
>>734021132>Once you get above 24 FPS the difference is unnoticeable.you only get rid of the motion blur at 120 fps minimum btw
>>734020279Normal humans are capable of pattern recognition, in fact no one has any issues calling out the low FPS on the Beast of Reincarnation trailer because they know how Game Freak games are. Yet when Game Freak shows yet ANOTHER low FPS trailer but with Pokemon in the title, people make an exception.What a ridiculous double standard.
>>734012270>>734012393I never understood why some people made a big deal about Bloodborne being 30fps when it plays so good.
>>734020959Western AAA studios got groomed by big tech to churn out glorified tech demos and their shills have been raised on an ideology where everything needs to be some simulation of reality. They fundamentally can't comprehend games that are stylized and good looking consistently out performing their slop
>>734021047gonna cry cacodemon?another -14587 karma to ziony btw
>>734021297who let that thing leave the asylum? lmao
>>734012848So this is the tendie Snoys lost to.
>>734021290>They fundamentally can't comprehend games that are stylized and good looking consistently out performing their slopif we wanted high quality stylized graphics we'd want games to look like Toy Story or the cutscenes of Final Fantasy X, yet we still have games that look like a playstation 2 game, and it runs at 30 fps now lmao
>>734012763>feels like shit at 30Unc just revealed his age lmao aura loss
>>734021331and another -15489 to ziony
>>734021448It's even worse because games like SMB1 were 60 FPS back on the NES and even Mario Land 2 on the GB was 60 FPS. The move to 3D making 30 fps(with dips) acceptable was a downgrade for the industry, that people still think it's acceptable 30 years later is insane. But to kids that grew up playing games that perform like shit, it's all they know.
This IS the same fanbase that despises games like Hollow Knight: Silksong for 1. Not costing 60 dollars, which is "toxic pro consumer behavior", and 2. releasing free DLC, which is evil communist mentality.They're not right in the head.
>>734020746nobody complained with bloodborne
>>734018423Pokemon is anime
>>734022127This website is for fans of anime
This shit is without a doubt going to run at 30fps
He's right though. The human eye can't even see more than 24 frames per second without resulting in ball cancer.
>>734022396More like Baal cancer. Going above 24 FPS is what THEY want you to do. If you don't get it then you need to do more research.
>>734012270Because graphics fags are literal sub humans.You want everything to look nice? Then pay the fucking price in reduced performance.
>>734012270They love pokeman, don't think so hard about why they'll accept any fault to their games.
>>734018647Pokemon Legends ZA's shitty reviews scores aren't a hallucination.
>>734012357The problem isn't that the same people are cattle, its that new people keep jumping on that train instead of letting it die. You know how this board constantly bitches about Genwunners? The primary feature of Genwunners is that they're the Pokemania kids who jumped off this train all the way back around Gen 3 or so when Pokemania ended.If no further people had jumped on and started complaining that Gen 4/5/6 are better or Gen 7/8/9 are better, it would have ended right there. But those are different groups of people repping the Pokemon games that they grew up with, not the original Millennials that told TPC to fuck off 20 years ago.
>>734012270what's the framerate of the lesbo slop on the gaystation 5?
>>734022754nigga what?
>>734012270The trailer itself was not even released in 60fps. The entire Pokemon Presents was in 30fps, no? Absolutely stupid. The actual game will be 4K60fps presumably, and trailers we get later on I assume will be 4k60.
>>734012432Ever watch a movie where the camera pans across a forest? It's fucking horrible
>>734018896And those 30 year old games are still more fun than modern games, so maybe fps isn't everything?
>>734012432movies are meant to be watched. video games are meant to be played. Clearly you are terrible at any video games that actually take skill. No, Elden Ring does not take skill. I'm talking about actual games of skill like fighting games, first person shooters, RTS etc.
>>734012393They will never give a genuine answer to this. Just variations of "oh my god I can't even."
>>734012270If I'm not looking at another screen side by side to see the difference, no, I don't notice the difference. Either my brain played enough N64 games to stop caring or I'm just not built to be a pro gamer
>>734012456digimon time stranger will run at 60 on switch 2 :^)switch 1 is 30 fps though
>>734022975>fighting games, first person shootersNormalfag manchild slop
>>734018840Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask are both ass. No skill at all, no real challenge, gameplay is a step backwards. Was only considered important for the Z-targeting system and being one of the first big 3D games. The real GOAT Zelda was 60fps in 1991.
>>734012432Movies have a vast majority of scenes with little motion on the focus of the shot. Also liberal use of slow motion when action is frenetic.
>>734012689>who cares if the game is unresponsive garbage and turns take 3 minutesnot sure if brain damaged or just plain retarded
>>734023143Yes. Those guys who raped you in Street Fighter and Call of Duty are currently having kids and getting married while you're still a faggot jerking off to hentai on 4chan. And those married guys are still 10x better at video games than you will ever be.
>>734012270>*proceeds to pay for the 60FPS $20 upgrade patch on the Shitch 3*I have tendie fatigue
>>734012432movies don't have input latency
>>734023267new crypto mining rig just dropped
>>734022993if you accept 30 fps you are goycattlesimple as
>>734022871This nigga thinks GF will release a 4k 60 FPS mainline Pokemon game
>>734022840I'm trying to set a comparison hereanyway the answer is 30 or 60 if you apply a setting that lowers the graphics a bit.anyway I don't really care about the framerate on a fucking turn based RPG, we're not talking about a racing or fps/action game herehacing said that Gamefreak hates Pokemon and makes them shit on purpose, as proven by Beast of Reincarnation.
>>734022478>FPS>GraphicsTendies are truly retarded.
>>734023213why I need a response time smaller than 33ms? a human blink is 100ms, just answer this question
>>734023313THERE IT ISTHERE IT ISTHERE IT ISTHERE IT ISOH MY GODYEAAAAAHYEAAAAAHI FOUND ITOH MY GODA LIVE 1.3 BITCOIN
>>734023341They already did with Z-A. And yes, the Legends games are considered part of the mainline games.
>>734022993The content looks better at 60FPS than it does at 30FPS. The content feels more responsive at 60FPS than at 30FPS.
You have to understand that, Pokemon doesn't make that much off money off the games. They're low effort trash. Most of the money that the IP makes is off merch.
>>734022120why are you lying?
>>734012432Honestly Demon Slayer at a stable 96FPS with RIFE generating 4x frames is incredible. I don't think FPS matters as much for dialogue heavy stuff but animation and stylized things heavily benefit from it.
>>734012848The strongest tendie….
>Switch 2 has a 120hz display>Nintendkids seriously claiming they can't tell the difference between 30 and 60+
>>734025326He's just a consoomer, not even a brand loyalist
>>734025383I honestly feel such an intense disconnect between the rest of the Nintendo fans and myself for this reason. Most Nin10yearolds claim they "can't see 120fps" anyways. Metroid Prime 4 in 120fps with gyro pointer controls is easily the best combat in any Metroid Prime game, and it's not even fucking close. The game barely even looks better if you choose to play the game in 4k60, instead it becomes dramatically fucking smoother in 120fps. You can fucking maul the enemies with boost ball, incredibly accurate and rapid shooting much more like playing Counter Strike or Call of Duty in Prime 4 this way. You have a similar degree of accuracy and control to a mouse and keyboard fps game.And literally less than 1% of Metroid Prime 4 players even know this shit. 99% of them are playing the game in 4k60, not even using motion controls at all, and claim the game is "boring" because they're playing it in the most boring way possible. Incredibly similar phenomenons happened with Tears of the Kingdom and Mario Kart World: people who take advantage of all the tools and possibilities in these games recognize them as the peak of their respective series. People who play the game boring, get bored. Mario Kart World and Metroid Prime 4 are the two highest skill ceiling games of their respective series. Prime 4 unironically needs a "Very Hard" mode where the 120fps gyro chads can show off.
>>734025912You also got the 'mouse' controls on top. I played it on Switch 1 with gyro, but at least it ran a mostly consistent 60fps, which is all I could ask for of such dated hardware, even though the game is a tad blurry in handheld mode.
If it has 4 player full world coop like SV there’s no real way for it to hit 60, that game had to make massive graphical concessions for the same reason
>>734012270https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb_7uN7sfTw
>>734012393>we care about content>no pokemon game has had as much content as USUM>USUM sold terribly compared to SV which are open world slop devoid of content
>>734026256I mean, the mouse is awkward as fuck truth be told. Nintendo should release an official Switch 2 mouse that has all the buttons and features of the right (or left?) joycon2 but in an actual ergonomic mouse design.
>>734012432There were games running at 60 on the n64 theres no excuse
>>734012357>What's there to explain, they're brainded cattle.The problem with Pokemon Games isn't frame rate. Frameratetards are on the same level as poketards for buying this narrative.
>>734026750USUM were loli cinema. Wind and Wave will be equally as great because they are shaping up to be the same.
>>734026784You know damn well a Switch 2 'mouse' would just be a plastic holster for the joycon, with plastic buttons that physically press against the shoulder buttons.
>>734026854The trailer didn't reveal much but the stuff it did show looked pretty good. This is why they are reaching to find anything to preemptively shit on it over. Expect it to get a lot worse and more schizophrenic if further trailers and the release reveal it to be a decent game.
>>734012848The weakest tendie....
>>734012848>kevin afghani's picke rick 2022 incident
>>734023267>all those switches hooked up to 1 hubwhat the fuck am I looking at here
>>734012270FPS are about as real as the moon landing.
>>734012270Can you explain to me why you are so obsessed?
>>734012848>snoys lost to this LMAO
SV and ZA are switch 1 games, even Botw and Totk achieve 60fps because they were designed for the first one.We will be lucky if the framerate doesn't drop to single digits just like the 3ds and switch games did on their respective consoles.
>>734012270>>734012357144Hz pc mustard race faggot here. True answer is: Because most normies don't care about high fps. Most normies will be fine with 30, and can't really tell input lag. It looks "fine" for them. The same reason a bunch of TVs come with "motion smoothing" on by default. Because normies will just look at it and say: "looks fine to me". I'm a n64 nerd, sometimes I go to twitch and look at normies playing N64 games. Do you know how fucking often I have told people: "Hey, just so you know, your image is stretched, you pulled a 4:3 image to be 16:9". Or: "Hey, you have your output colors set wrong, you're crushing the colours making the image darker and losing details". And you know what I get back 90% of the time from streamers and viewers? "looks fine to me". Sometimes even: "That's just how it looked back then". You and me anon, we are, by all accounts: snobs. We are vidya connoisurs, trained to detect faintest hints of both issues and greatness of the craft. We know what to look for, ghosting, frame rates, clipping textures, artifacting. We notice these things not because we are better than them, but because we have the experience.The same way a good mechanic can spot an issue at a glance, doesn't mean that non mechanics are retard plebians. We are just trained in a field. The useless dumb field of video games. It is pointless to bitch about normies not being able to clock these things. The best you can do is explain why they're wrong, and move on.
>>734012270Entire board is infested with gachashit and twitter screenshots and you dumb niggers would rather rehash the same argument you've been having for over a decade.
>>734022975Pokemon is a fucking turn based RPG. You want it running at 30FPS for better immersion
>>734030136What FPS does real life run at? They should target that for immersion
>>734012393You care about content in your game that split the concent in two different releases so you double dip
>>734012270This retard is gonna bandwagon GameFreak anyways so I don't understand his PMSing.
>>734030136And yet these two games are both the two best Pokemon games ever, but also both considered mainline by Gamefreak and Pokemon Company themselves.
>>734012357>>734012393Actual cattle
>>734012270If they can't be dicked to optimize their games, they should just offer the option in settings. 60FPS and reduced graphics, or 30FPS and better graphics. Because it absolutely matters. Especially to PC gamers that have been running 60+FPS for 2 decades. We simply can't do 30FPS. It hurts our brains. Or, I should say 23FPS because that's what it normally is on consoles. 30FPS is a lie.
>>734012270Most people won't notice games at 60fps. When you do notice that 60fps looks smoother, you stop caring when you realize it didn't impact your enjoyment of the game in any way.
>>734032031>tranime posterOpinion discarded.
How much stock do you actually put in the opinons of kids who get their asses kicked at school for being annoying and shape their views to be in contradiction to everyone around them out of spite? We do not need to have a thread everytime Timmy the corporate cocksleeve pretends that caring about the quality of his favorite franchise is abnormal.Don't give shit-eaters attention. It's what they want.
>>734023121They better fucking patch the PS5 version to also run at 60fps then
>>734033504Does the PS5 Pro really run the game at 30hz? Would be hilarious if it ran worse than the Switch 2 version.
Most people outside /v/ don't give a fuck about frame rate. Just people who have to justify wasting thousand of dollars on computers that are only good for playing emulated ports.
30fps is perfectly fine. You don't NEED 60.
>>734033504Seriously? My Deck runs it at 90fps at medium settings with lossless scaling :^)
>>734029325>most normies don't care about high fpseveryone I know hates choppy slideshows. most normgroids don't even know what FPS means, or the difference between refresh rate and FPS
>>734033504>patch the PS5 version to also run at 60fps thenthey're gonna do just that on both xbox series and ps5 and name it performance mode
human eyes cant tell the difference anyway
>>734035909>most normgroids don't even know what FPS means, or the difference between refresh rate and FPSThe words that enrage /v/.
>>734012270For a developer, appealing to fps-tards is a fool's errand. Make it run at 60 and they'll complain it's not 120, and so on.
>>734012393When you play a game at 60fps and then drop it to 30, it's a horrible experience, the difference is night and dayif you've never experienced 60fps, I'd understand, but if you're retarded enough to say 30 is fine once you've experienced double that, I can only hope you get some help for your brain damage
People really need to come to terms with the fact that your average pokemon fan is a special ed retard. We all know they eat crayons and shit themselves, we just ignore their opinions and move on.The pokemon franchise is not a kids franchise anymore. It's also not for man children. It's for mentally handicapped people that are incapable of tying their own shoes. Just let them have their subpar shit franchise and move on. Stop arguing with retards.
>>734012357fpbp
>>734036481i'm playing symphony of the night rn on duckstation at 30 fps, by choice, that's how based I am.I'm not nigger cattle like you that can't adapt to different kinds of experiences .
>>734035909>everyone I know hates choppy slideshows.Yes. But that doesn't contradict what I said. A normie will not notice:>That the FPS doesn't reach 60>That some textures are not quite 4k (or even HD)>That it's not HDR>input lag>bad hitboxesthe list goes on. HOWEVER, they will of course notice all of these, if they get too extreme. They will put up with 30fps, sure. But if a game runs at 10, even a normie will complain. They might not be able to tell what's 4k, but if the texture is extremely blurry, they might notice. They don't care about input lag, but if it's literally a second of delay, they'll notice that. To go back to my car mechanic example: A car expert might tell from the engine noise alone what the quality and state of the car is. But if the car is crumpled into a 2feet by 2feet cube, even a non-car normie can tell you that that car's fucked.
>>734012270>needing more than 1fps for a turn based game
>>734037882Nigger, I am playing Two Worlds, the game otherwise runs at 60fps, but the characters and animations are running at 30fps and action speeds are tied to this frame rate, so unlocking that to 60 would break the game. It is a constant reminder how awful 30fps truly is.You are a fart huffer who thinks making your experience deliberately more miserable makes you based. No, that makes you a pretentious retard. 30fps is never acceptable, and when there's no other option, it's still a miserable experience.
>>734012432>Movies are in 24fps and no one complains.I saw Billy Lynn's Long Half Time Walk and that was in 60 fps
>>734012270I grew up not noticing them and still don't notice them unless they get down low.
Does anybody have the schizophrenic starter pattern graph?
These fuckers bought and played SV, they don't care about anything. Pokemon obsession has taken over too much of their brain by now.
>>734038782There should be a division between low schizos and high schizos. Low schizos tend to just bitch incessantly about something, push some gay agenda, and use common phrases and writing styles. High schizos would be the rarer alien motherfuckers that all do the same weird ESL babyspeak thing and post utter incomprehensible gibberish. Be glad if you've never seen one of those.
>>73401250230 FPs is never ok under any circumstance, it's not ok for a JPRG, it's not ok for a fucking text adventure. Kill yourself you shit eating retard
>>734038867I wish they could learn to be mature like us and rage about kiddie games on the internet all day
>>734022975Genuinely the problem with things like fighting games and RTS isnt the visual frames, its that lazy engines often tie output framerate and input registering to the same process, so a slapdash-coded fighting game with 30fps is also registering inputs at 30fps or worse, with any clientside stuttering causing missed or out-of-sync inputs.
What a pathetic excuse of a fucking console if Switch 2 can't run PS3 graphics at 60fps. Nintendo needs to go multiplat so Pokemon can run and look proper.
>>734012270Nintendo is garbage, pokemon sucks, and 30fps is fine
>>734012270as long as the framerate remains stable without dips/stutters, literally nobody would notice or care if they didnt have a little number in the corner telling them the fps. its all pretentious and autistic drivel.
>>734042430It's fine. I'm never ever playing the games for myriad reasons but not being 60 fps isn't one of them.
thats just everybody nowdays. you know how the "480p" and "1080p" options on youtube and all the streaming sites like like fucking asshole and its more like 128p or something fucking shit?thats all people know. there are 20 year olds, 25, 30 year olds, whose entire experience of the world wide web and streaming is that, that thats the norm. they dont notice it because everything looks like that.
>>734012270Pokemon fan are brain-dead goyim holy shit
>>734044953anon most 7th gen ps3/360 games are 240p upscaled. there is a reason why 3D renders in a movie from 1999 look better than 3D renders made in a video game right now.
>>734012270I don’t understand how you can’t notice when a game doesn’t run like shit
>>734018840crt have better movement clarity so 30fps looked smoother back then.
>>734012393PS2 ran games at 60 fps. A console that came out before you were born. And with games that had more mechanical depth and detail than your shitty Pokémon.If you ask for nothing, you'll receive nothing. Get some fucking standards.
>>734038393>I'm playing fucking 360 era shovelware, it must be bad because of the 30fps animations
To be frank, I kind of agree with him.Growing up playing games on the 64 that ran at a framerate of sub-30. I can see the difference between 30, and 60. In fact I even have a 180hz monitor. Its nicer to have a higher framerate but having a stable framerate is the more important hurdle to pass IMO.
>>734012848I genuinely don't get what this is supposed to be.
>>73401227030 FPS is totally fine. I recently played Wind Waker @30 and Demons souls @30. It doesn't matter and most console games target 30 at high res. It just sucks if the frame rate is unstable and without VRR
>>734047350And now most Ps4 and Ps5 games run with 30
All this thread does is remind me that /v/ is filled to the brim of PCfags.
>>734012270If you're a fan of pokemon games then you don't care at all about gameplay or performance. You're literally just buying the games to have them.
>>734048958And have more fun that you ever will with your wows, concords, or muh shooter ooga booga games lmao
>>734048913Good. Consolefags are unironically subhuman cattle and should lose all rights.
i don't notice unless it changes in the game, like when sometimes the cutscenes have a lower frame rate than the normal gameplay
>>734037941>>input lagInput lag is only an issue in multiplayer games where one player has more than the other, in any other situation its a skill issue if you can't adapt to it.
>>734012270Honestly, I used to be like that as a consolefag.The main way to explain it is it's really hard to notice bad framerates when you've never known the silky smooth constant 60/90/144fps of a powerful PC. It's just basic ignorance.I could only notice framerates when it became so choppy, like sub-10 fps.
>>734049351>unresponsive controls are not a problem goyshalom>>734049364>30 fps is the normdumb zoomer spotted
>>734012270I lm not nintendo drone, but I dont care that much for frames, because I dont play fast action games or multiplayer fps. I always had 60mhz screen, play on max 60 fps and I remember playing console or handheld device woth sub 30fps, because it was standard. Was it good? It was subpar, but it was standard and you get accustomued to this.After 2015 fps adhd kiddies started to ego boost trips on /v about fps minimum (140, 200, 300) and it become a new norm. In reality 60 fps is plenty, especialy in slow paced games, 30 is ok but it feels choppy, especialy in fast paced titles.Im kinda old so it probably also count, but still, if you dont play shit like fortnite or some other kiddie shooter, 60 fps is plenty and 30 is servicable, especialy whenit comes to turnbased games.
>>734049682>press jump>character jumps after 0.2 seconds>retard (You): "Hurrr this game's unplayable shit!">person with normal brain: presses jump 0.2 seconds earlier next time
>>734049351It's a problem in any game where you have a lot of animations, a dynamic environment meant to be responded to (and action polling) going on. single-or-multiplayer. Input lag doesn't matter for a 90s point-and-click game, but it certainly matters for any hack n' slash or FPS.
>>734012270I grew up in the PAL region.
frames is a matter of how much the studio caressub 60 fps? they clearly don't want to make a game60 fps or more? real gayming hours
>>734012270>>734012357>Shits blood for 4 years because SV runs at 25FPS on Switch>SV and Z-A run at 60FPS on Switch 2>*crickets*>Shits blood because Winds and Waves seemingly runs at 30FPSBTW, the trailer being streamed at 30FPS doesn't mean the game runs at 30FPS.Also, eternal reminder
>>734033475Anon, I'm pretty sure it was the spergs who wouldn't stfu about technical stuff like muh 60 fps who were getting their autistic asses kicked.
>>734012270We care about more the contents bro
>>73401243260 was abysmal ten years ago, tendie. I haven't played a game under 100+fps in years
>>734012432Typical tendieslop consumer.
>>734012270Up until only a few months ago with the switch 2 release, nintendo fans were getting new switch 1 game releases that unironically struggled to run at double digit framerates.To the most autistic of fans, frames really don't matter because they've been trained to ignore them.
>>>/vp/
I know someone who can't see the difference between 20 FPS and 60 FPS. (or it's an extremely tiny difference for them, if you force them to look at side-by-side comparisons)That's why some people are like this, their brains are different.
