When did Pokemon lose its sovl?
>>734029669When I made got dubs
>>734029669gen5(?)
>>734029669When they started anthropomorphising the pokemon instead of keeping them animal like.
>>734029669left looks shit thoughright is much cuter
>>734029669We sell dolls and merch now.
>>734029669I've been masturbating to the cute animals since I was 6 and I will continue to do so, so not yet for me. The games themselves suck dick though.
>>734029817so since the first generation?
Around Gen 3 or 4, when they started treating Pokemon like special animals, instead of mysterious cryptids.
>>734029669Vulpix is my favorite Pokemon, so I'm fine with both looks, but I still prefer the classic.
>>734029669It still has the best waifus
>>734029817This. For me Pokemon lost its soul the moment I saw Blaziken for the first time. All downhill after that. Side shit like Mr Mime and Machoke was enough
>>734029972>The mysterious cryptids on gen 2
>>734030108Jesus Christ how horrifying
>>734030108Igglybuff is so horrifying
>>734029858Left looks like an actual creatureRight is moeslop with an oversized head
>>734030262i don't care, i want to fuck right more
>>734029669assuming the premise is true this question answers itself retardif you assume it lost soul then you mustve seen that it lost it at x point so there no need to ask
>>734029669Left is an animal, right is portraying a sentient being who can answer you, it's really simple, they shifted how pokemon behave so they shifted the designs themselves.
>>734029669I wanna fuck the one on the right
>>734030108Justice for Smoochum!
>>734029669I wanna molest the featureless crotch of the one on the right
>>734030108esl moment
Gen 2, when they started to design them as merch first.
>>734029669Gen 3; it's when the Pikachu redesign happened.
>>734030549pikachu redesign already occured by yellow, as shown in your image. crystal's enemy sprite art is the last time pikachu was depicted as having discernible legs on the sides of its belly rather than a torso blob with feet sticking out.
>>734030417based
>>734029669Gen 2. There was still soul to a lot of the newer mons and the games were great, but that's when it became apparent future mons were going to be explicitly designed to be merch.
>>734029669Orange islands. Specifically the point where brock leaves.
>>734030931You're right. It's more accurate to say there are two redesigns>RGB: Fatchu>Y/GSC: Still fat with separate legs, but the head is now distinct from the body>RS onward: Slimchu, with feet simple attached to the bottom of the torso, back stripes shrunk.
>>734030340so would mystery dungeon mark the shift do you think?
>>734029669Right's head on left's body
>>734029669When I grew up
>>734029669Black & White 1 and the shift to 3D. The jump to Switch was jumping the shark and point of no return for good pokemon games.
>>734029669Objectively by Gen 3Gen 4 and 5 were already showing signs of it going to shit real fast but there were still some designs that gave you hopeGen 6 and onwards was the point when they started to pander all in to the furries and it was just lame as fuck by then
>>734029669When they found out that pandering to furries was good for business
>>734030451what esl about it?
>>734034834Anon….
>>734029669February 27, 1996
>>734034834you said on instead of inamericunts say ESL but then go ahead and say your when it's you're and should of when it's should havehypocritical faggots whine and moan any chance they can
>>734030108The thing in the top left is based
>>734029669It started going down after gen 3 and died completely when it stopped using pixel art.
>>734030108This right here was the beginning of the end for Pokemon as a franchise of it's own merits slowly turned into a merchandising vehicle and eventual downfall of the entire fucking franchise
>>734029669I like left way better but it kind of has no mouth>>734029858right is blobby and marshmallow-ish. nothing short of repulsive
>>734029669>leftweird creature fox with a poorly drawn head>rightcocksleeve
>>734030181>tfw hatched a shiny igglybuff on my first ever crystal playthrough, never let it evolve, and gave it a spot on my team versus the elite 4
>>734038395I have played a dozen different games and I've never got a shiny besides for that guaranteed red gyarados
>>734029669That's just the progression of the anime industry in general
>>734029669left>an animal with animal intelligence, can’t consentright>clearly intelligent, can consent to being used like an onahole
>>734039842>letting that stop you either way
Anon... that's a little fox...
>>734036707You're not supposed to help ESLs, retard. In fact I suspect you are one based on your post. Kill yourself.
When Pokemon became a product for all audiences instead of young boys.In general, everything that was once directed to young boys has become androgynous in spirit.
>>734029759spbp leaving fictional Japan was the beginning of the end
>>734029669it never had onecorporate skinner box product with a business model trying to scam you into buying two copies of the same game to get every mon featuring low effort dogshit sprites even for the time
>>734036707People that speak English as a first language often mess small things like that up because that's the way they speak. Your and you're sound the same when spoken, and a lot of people say should of because of their accent. I'm not certain, but I assume ESL people think in their native language before translating it into English, so they're more likely to get their contractions right while messing up their grammatical structure as a whole.
>>734042405>buying two copies of the same game to get every monListen zoom zoom, before Pokemon and videogames as a whole became asocial hobbies designed to take as much money as possible from its users, the way we completed the Pokedex was by hanging around with friends and trading them with the Game Link cable.
>>734041795ninetales vulpix oyakodon…
>>734029669>now take off your pants
>>734042842You're going to get cursed for 1000 years
>>734029669in gen 4 they added some fursona characters to test the waters and they realized they could cash in on that sweet furry gold
>>734029669Gen 3Objectively
>>734042538>designed to take as much money as possible from its usersLike I said Pokemon was like this from the start, there was no need for multiple versions since the extra XP gain was already a benefit for trading. It was purely a money extracting scheme. Internet infrastructure didn't support the concept of DLC yet so they made things like Pokemon Stadium instead, etc
>>734042538>before Pokemon was designed to take as much money as possible from its usersl o l
>>734043118Also the Link Cable, Game Boy Player, e-Reader, etcYour parents spent a ton of money on random bullshit used for Pokémon and nothing else, they were doing physical DLC 20 years before amiibo
>>734043495Only one of your friends needed to buy the Link Cable and basically no one had the Game Boy Player and even fewer had the e-Reader. I understand your point but only rich fags ever bought both versions of the current gen to get all Pokemons. The intended way was always to trade between friends and it was a cool innovative method at the time.Sure Pokefags are insufferable paypigs and the best goyim in the entire industry but you are acting as if kids back in the day actually cared about that stuff and not beating the league with their lvl 99 Charizard while the rest of their Pokemons were lvl 30.
>>734037146The mouth is probably supposed to be implied for a more mysterious image.
Gen 1 goodGen 2 goodGen 3 half good half badThere. I hate Pokemon.
>>734044152what could have been...
>>734044152Imagine being these dudes going "nah looks retarded shit won't sell"What is it like just being blown out so hard you'll be using a colostomy bag for life
>>734030013What's the specs of your laptop?
>>734029817Machop line. Hitmonchan. Hitmonlee. Mr. Mime is literally just a guy.
>>734044152>these ideas still came out in fanart>still comes out as fanart fucking hourly actuallysounds like the american staff was super fucking retarded and horny, but mostly horny. Pokemon was released during american kirby years after all, the autism wars between eastern and western retards over what their series should look like was intense.
>>734045456they kind of took that up later
After gen 4. I don't even dislike gen 5 but its hard to deny the quality of main games, spin-offs and anime took a dip after 4. And I think game freak themselves know that as DP had the theme of "ultimate". There was nowhere left to go after introducing God as a pokemon desu
>>734046142>pokemon are considered partners not pets>pokemon are intelligent enough to do everything humans do and more>there are a lot of humanmons, most doing actual human jobs in human towns>"teehee look at this gardevoir doing its funny cry and eating ration out of a bowl!"it's beyond obvious that pokemon do and act a lot more than what the game and other media shows. can they please put effort in pokemon personalities in their games? we're on fucking gen 10 and they're still all acting as if they were inside a game boy and could only do text responses.
>>734046142>pussy bulgeYeah that's the good stuff>>734046404I'm sure they have a mandate about Pokémon eating out of bowls and sleeping on dog beds because if they have to start deciding who gets human rights it'll cause real problemsAnd they definitely don't want to open the door to "guy who lives with his humanoid Pokémon housewife," that Gardevoir special they did a few months ago is the furthest they'll ever push that
When they decided to add more Pokeman after the original 151.
>>734029669almost immediately
>>734029669when they wanted to cut costs so simplifying things even more makes animating cheaper
>>734030108I always wanted to take a bite into Azurill's blue ball and suck out all the juice
>>734044152Im surprised we never saw what they proposed in the Typhlosion Files.
>>734046675frfr
Gen 4 still felt soulful. Gen. 5 felt like the start of decline. After how Black/White 1 and 2 was received and the transition to 3D with the 3DS, it felt like GameFreak went 'screw it' and made each game less soulful than the last. I bet you if Pokemon wasn't such a money train, then GameFreak would have probably quietly ended it with Black/White 2.
>>734029669When Takeshi Shudo drank himself to death because they forced his OC Lugia to become a male Pokemon when his original idea for Lugia was for her to represent the Mother Ocean. Takeshi Shudo's Pokemon novels were the original lore of Pokemon that GameFreak relied on.
>>734029669When the original team broke up.
>>734047537it doesn't get brought up enough but while a lot of people praise 5 as the last 2d mainline the tweened sprites in battle were really baddesigns had slipped a lot too even if it got overdone at the time and gen 4 had issues with that too (think how hideous magmortar is, it's like a proto gen 5 mon)
>nobody posted it yet
I dropped the anime when Charizard blew the Indigo League, that pissed me off so bad
>>734049003Was 260 the last episode that used traditional cel animation?
>>734049003You'll have to explain, I stopped watching after the orange islands
>>734049174Yes, although it's been so long I forget if there was a movie in production that used it as well. But it's night and day comparing the old vs new artstyles.I'll always say that despite the last episodes of the Ashnime paying lipservice to all the different regions he went through, it's sad that they didn't at least try to mimic the artstyle of each season.
>>734049201Colors/art quality
>>734049201>cel animation, soft watercolor backgrounds, lighting in every shot, characters feel like they're part of the scenevs>flat, lifeless colors>drag and drop character art>bland backgrounds that tried for a while to mimic the old style but had none of the soul, and eventually got phased out entirely>just looks like you took stock 2d character assets and placed them directly on top of background26.jpgI know it's cherry picking, but as a whole the original art style was better.
Am I late to the party?
>>734049267> But it's night and day comparing the old vs new artstyles.It honestly looks like they had a head start on video game companies in implementing desaturating-antisoul-fog. Worse yet is the skillset required to do cel animation is just going to get completely lost over time as the skill stops being passed down. Once it's gone, it's gone.
>>734049441why is that thing talking, and why would anyone want to whip it?
They should have had Ash just be protagonist #1 for the anime, and have him make future appearances. Instead, they put all their eggs in one basket. Now that he's gone, is anyone even watching the show now?
>>734049441Source
>>734042538>Listen zoom zoom, before Pokemon and videogames as a whole became asocial hobbies designed to take as much money as possible from its usersAnon as soon as RB were a success and before The Pokemon Company was formed Pokemon Yellow was made simply because Nintendo wanted a new game out there in the gap between GSC.It was a cash cow out the gate.
>>734030108I forgot Azurill and Wynaut were in Gen 3. They're just kind of there.
>>734029669Reddit foams at the mouth at the words "they don't look like Pokemon anymore" and consider the statement to be utter nonsense, but it is actually very valid.There was a Toriyama-esque grit to early Pokemon designs that really isn't there anymore in the series' current Pokemon designs.Pokemon doesn't just mean "funny colorful cartoon animal".
>>734030108Don’t forget Elekid and Magby, Gen 2 really is the Generation full of baby Pokémon.
>>734050742>Pokemon doesn't just mean "funny colorful cartoon animal".
>>734030549They finally gave Pikachu a new idle animation, took them long enough.https://x.com/Lewchube/status/2027397921528762751?s=20
>>734030262Pokemon is a commercial empire. You don't build a commercial empire off of animals that look real. You build them off of animals that you can turn into merchandise
>>734029669I dunno but I know that a lot of people use Raichu for Fat art. It's something that i noticed
More and more I come to believe that Pokemon never really had any soul to begin with
>>734042842Smoochum and Jynx oyakodon :) Nidorina and Nidoqueen as well
>>734043424>Look up amount of Gholdengo on R34 out of curiosity >100+ results minimumI chuckled
>>734050923Name the animal seel is based on, you can't.
>>734043118One of the good things about the Legends games is only having to worry about one version. Same with Palworld
>>734044152It’s still not too late they can repurpose this into something else if they haven’t already.
>>734030108I actually agree that in Gens 1 and 2 Pokemon were more like mysterious creatures that just appeared one day but this post thoroughly BTFO'd that anon.
>>734046404>humanmonsThe first thing that comes to mind is the Machop line seeing as how they canonically have human feet
>>734047537>transition to 3D with the 3DS, it felt like GameFreak went 'screw it' and made each game less soulful than the last.With a touch of nostalgia pandering, X and Y straight up give you a choice of Kanto Starters complete with Mega Evolutions>I bet you if Pokemon wasn't such a money train, then GameFreak would have probably quietly ended it with Black/White 2.Not a bad Generation to end off on imo. After all the DS era is universally agreed upon as the peak of Pokémon.
>>734046610Imagine giving Probopass any rights.
>>734049267God I hate the art style that started with Gen 7.
>>734049267rip togepi, you will be kinda missed
>>734045943Mr. Mime is literally just my mom's harlequin.
>>734051790Probopass controls the media.#IstandwithGraniteCave
>>734052187>togepi was released as a togetic before togekiss was even introduced
After the first gen, because that's when I became a teenager and stopped caring about cripplingly easy RPGs with incredibly basic stories.Realistically, it was never good.
>>734045943Arguably Abra line tooMagmar, ElectabuzzJynx as wellAnd gen 2 has baby mons. Fucking Tyrogue, man.Gen 3 has Gardevoir, nuff said.I think many people are just blind to their own nostalgia. Like don't get me wrong. I absolutely love Gen 1 and grew up during Pokemania, AND I think newer gens can be lame. But Gen 1 wasn't some magical perfect thing with no bad designs like some genwunners seem to believe. Like seriously seeing people complain about newer humanoid pokemons holding stuff falls flat the moment you look at Alakazam who is holding two spoons for some reason. You might not like the newer mons but stop being baka
>>734029669Trick question, since pokemon never had sovl. It just had good merchandise. The games and anime still suck, but that merch is still as good as it's always been.
>>734053019>AlakazamNot anything like newer humanoids
Alolan Vulpix snowcunny
>>734053303>Super long mustaches>Armor-ass chestplate thing>Holding two human made objects>"Alakazam"Like come on. Again, not saying newer pokemons are great but you can't hide behind "they were at least animals before!"(fucking voltorb or magnemite lmao).The thing is, that pokemon has always had humanoid/anthro mons. You may not like the newer mons but stop being baka.In the end we are talking about commercial products that are aimed at children.Also please stop downloading pics straight out of Google and dl proper transparent PNGs.
>>734053494Woah he's literally meI didn't read your post btw, only looked at your image
>>734053494>>Super long mustachesAlmost like tentacles, less humanoid than those mustached dog Pokemon>>Armor-ass chestplate thingSame color as his ankle and knee guards, I always assumed it was part of his anatomy, especially when you look at his yellow crotch piece>>Holding two human made objectsBending spoons is a thing for psychics, sure>>"Alakazam"AgainCompare that to Lucario the furry with shorts, Cinderace the soccerplaying furry with shorts, that knight thing, and the fully human proportioned and fuckable cat woman. I'm not that other anon and don't have an issue with humanoids, humanoid monsters go back through antiquity. I like some of the new humanoids too, e.g. that recent troll line. But there's a certain strain of fursuit humans that exist in Pokemon now.
>>734053361Don't.....ever use that word ever again....that is vile...
>>734053843SNOWCUNNY
>>734054220Frostbitten penis worth it
>>734029669Right is more fuckable.
>>734029669>>734053361Vulpussy...
>>734053303This image illustrates why I don't bother arguing with "it was always this way" retards. Their argument stems from them lying, so there is no point. They will just continue lying.
i wish foxes were real bros....
>>734029669Arguably gen 2 but it's egregious from gen 4 onward. You can tell that Pokémon designs stopped being about trying to create interesting creatures and became about using simple shapes and bobbleheads as often as possible because a design like that is infinitely easier to make as a toy.
>>734050923Modern design seel would have at least 2 brightly colored bands on its body and wouldnt have teeth
>>734054268She's really warm on the inside.
Pokemon has always been soulless, given it was just a low quality clone of a real game, which even had sexual dimorphism.
>>734054831It's head would also be much bigger.
>>734055201>Was always soullessA trvke millenials and tendies will live in denial about.
>>734055340If you see something as a child, that's it, it's locked in forever as "cool". Well, that's assuming you have no further mental development, obviously.
>>734055201>Linda Cubewtf never even heard of this one, sounds incredible
>>734029669When pokemon artstyle switched.
>>734049475You can be happy that most cel animation is just done with a camera and cels moving around, and there's more than enough disney documentaries for 90% of the techniques to still be around.Gorillaz just had a 9 minute cel animated 2d video released, for example.
>>734055841It is incredible, one of the best JRPGs ever made.
pokemon has never been soullessalso there was a drop of soul after the very first seaqon in which they invested more money. the first episodes ar emuch more animated the pokemons etc have more intricate manners and faces and whatnot ther eis more humor less filler etc. which i guess it normal for a tv show? to hook people. otherwise its always losing a lil bit over time but the very clear undeniable cutoff was gen 3although gen 2 already had less juice than the first generation
>>734029669Would.Would.
>>734046142A Lopunny wouldnt be a bad starter really so long as you can definitely Mega evolve it.>>734029669Gen 3It just felt like it didnt innovate as much as 2 did and felt fairly bland. And personally after it I stopped playing new Pokemon until gen 5 and when I did I found nothing fresh and it didnt add a new experience.
>>734029928the secret of gen 1 is that all the anthropomorphic pokemon are lame as fuck which prevented kids from latching on to any of them and unbalancing the experience
>>734054220Based
>>734029972mysterious cryptids like a pidgey?
>>734029669When your balls dropped
>>734029669both cute but I need more tails sorry
>>734053303Now post Hitmonchamp, Hitmonlee and Tyrogue you duplicitous retard
>>734053019>>734053494I think Gen 1 has some dogshit mons like jynx and mr.mime but there's a difference between a pokemon being bipedal (like magmar) and a pokemon being extremely humanoid (like incineroar and machoke).It's like comparing Angewomon or sistermon with Omnimon just because they're both bipedal
You wouldn't a fox... Right anon ?
>>734062236>dogshit mons like jynx and mr.mimewow rude
>>734062106Tyrogue is gen 2The more humanoid mons in gen 1 were also not the king shillmons of their gens. I think people kind of miss that point. Or they ignore it on purpose. You'd have a point if machamp was the fucking starter
>>734062552Nta but it makes way more sense to make starters humanoid mons than ones you run into in the wild in normal gameplay
The generation right after the one (You) grew up on.
>>734062452Uh huh...
>>734029669Silver/Gold
>>734062640I can't agree really. The overtly humanoid mons are better kept as oddities.
>>734062719Having it be a one off Pokemon you don’t see in the wild is what makes it an oddity, you’re approaching it like “humanoid mons shouldn’t exist and they had the decency to be ashamed of them in old gens”, you’re imposing your opinion on devs that never shared it.
>>734049267sun and moon had actual animation even if the characters look funnyit looks much better than shitty slideshows you retards like to jerk off
>>734062804It's not about shame. It's about picking pokemon that represent the game. They were most likely supposed to be odd and stick out even, considering jynx, mr mime, and the hitmons are only available through NPC gifts/trades. They round out the cute:cool:weird ratio of the dex in a way that makes sense and is interesting.If they chose to have machamp, hitmonlee, and hitmonchan as the starters then the general direction of the game and how it's perceived would've been way fucking different.Now these days every starter is a furry with a job and a family at home and it just makes it seem weird.
>>734064146>They were most likely supposed to be odd and stick out even, considering jynx, mr mime, and the hitmons are only available through NPC gifts/trades.See you’re just reiterating the same shit, “it was better when these Pokemon were optional because I could make the assertion humanoid Pokemon aren’t natural and don’t represent the series” even though Machoke is a common mon anyway lolIdk just get over your autism about starters
You already know the fucking answer…When the series turned 3DUp until then the game sprites were dynamic and expressive, and you still felt engaged in the battles. I will die on a hill that Gen 5 had the perfect aesthetic. The over-world, the sprite animations. Then we move to Gen 6 and onward and everything looks terrible, but specifically flying Pokémon and the size differences of the models.I have long since left Pokémon behind, so anything new does really interest me, but I would’ve bought a Switch when it first was announced if the Pokémon series maintained its classic aesthetic updated on modern hardware. But no… we got literal shit.
I grew up playing Gen 1 and I don't see it. To me the slumps of Pokémon were Gen 3, 5, 7, 8 and 9. I know most of you grew up playing Gen 3 on your GBA but if Pokémon ever had a soul it as long gone by then.
>>734053361Vulpix Pawjob
>>734065651Dude, gen 4 was already giga garbage
>>734067049Fuck that. Aside from the Legendary Pokémon being literal gods the generation was great, with the best games in the series: Heart Gold and Soul Silver
Ofc the decline was long before but this monstrosity deserves a mention. Women must look like androgynous fridges or someone will get butthurt on Twitter.
>>734030108babby mons were a huge mistake I'm glad they phased them out. Presumably, of course, I haven't played in 4 gens
>>734062452now i would from those pokken matches
>>734029669When did Ken Sugimori stop designing the majority of Pokemon?
>>734030108I will never stop being mad Jynx never got a new evolution.
when they started naming pokemon after phone companies and basketball players
>>734068225The only new baby since then was Toxel, and that was introduced alongside Toxtricity.
>>734049267To be fair, Pokemon started going downhill near the end of Kanto anyway. Anime was originally meant to be like 30-40 episodes, If I remember correctly, and you can tell when they start stretching things out. Early Pokemon anime had this weird cynical edge to it. Everybody was a asshole, Ash spend the entire story being mocked and belittled, most gym leaders were eccentrics, assholes, and in the case of Sabrina straight up murderous.
>>734055201>given it was just a low quality clone of a real gameMostly Dragon Quest 5 and to a lesser extent SMT. Dragon Quest monster designs are peak and nobody can rival Toriyama actually trying. Guy is like a machine that can create a hundred memorable designs in a week by accident.
>>734051772graphics arms race killed RPGs. everything should have topped out at around PS1/DS level, with PS2 reserved for super ambitious projects
>>734056806>It just felt like it didnt innovate as much as 2 did and felt fairly blandTo be fair: Gen 2 was basically "This game is fundamentally broken and we need to fix it". Gen 3 was a bit more gimmicky but a lot of it's core ideas (Abilities) were fundamental improvements. Gen 4 adding the physical special split was honestly the last REALLY good addition.
>>734069941my main beef with the split has always been you can't tell what the move is anymore. prior to that you only needed to look no further than the type
>>734070380>my main beef with the split has always been you can't tell what the move is anymore.It's been a while since I played Diamond and Pearl. But I'm 99% certain you can see it when you choose a new move.
>>734070380There is an icon indicating what type it is…
>>734029669Gen 3
>>734070650Gen 3 is the Smash Bros melee of Pokemon games though.
>>734067626Anon, no-one liked this change at all outside of contrarians.It was reported all over the place.
>>734068225What do you mean you don’t like the Gen 4 baby Pokémon?
>>734071029Was it ever addressed? Reverted?
>>734071037A lot of these are just pre evolutions, not actually babies.
>>734070469>>734070458>there's an iconthat's for YOUR moves, not the opponent's
>>734071291They did address it - then said 'lol we are not changing it back'.So everyone has to just stay mad about it or quit.
>>734029669>When did Pokemon lose its sovl?I think with the 3DS or Switch, but I still love marnie.
>>734071432Oh. Fair enough, but by that logic the game never tells you the type of move being used against you anyway.
>>734029669Gen 5 was the start, gen 6 was what broke the camels back.We still havent recovered ever since.
>>734044152Corpo-managerial-bureaucrats are the most retarded and sheltered people on earth.
>>734071528Yes!
>>734029669>lefta fix>righta fox made for me to mating press and interbreed with
>>734071391No anon, every one of those is a baby mon. Despite that Tyrogue, Smoochum, Elekid, Magby, Wynaut, Bonsly, and Mime Jr. do not evolve through happiness, they are all still mons with no egg group discovered and classed as babies. The only one missing is Toxel,
>>734071974> they are all still mons with no egg group discovered and classed as babies.Weird, always assumed Riolu at least was just a pre evolution.
>>734029669Can if have something it never did have?
>>734031903Mystery dungeon was the worst thing to happen It validated the animalfuckersIt was downhill from there
>>734071974You're very aggressive and autistic.
Alola Ninetales is great and OP is fundamentally wrong.
>>734071573it's obvious what type avalanche is. not so easy to guess whether it's physical or special
>>734072374You're inserting that aggressiveness anon, might be right about the second.
>>734072626>it's obvious what type avalanche is.It's also pretty obvious it's physical.
>>734029669gen5 is when the simplified mascot design bullshit started
Pokepark 2 was the last good game in the franchise
>>734072361Are Pokemon even really animals? I can't capture a cat with a pokeball and said can't can't set people on fire Like what's the distinction of Pokemon and animalIs it just anything which a poke ball is able to capture?
>>734076374>Are Pokemon even really animals?Nah, some of them are animals, some of them are closer to fairies or other mythological creatures.
Since like there Ultrabeasts who you'd think wouldn't be capturable due to being like aliens and interdimensional yet they can be because it's a Pokemon game so they're Pokemon because a pokeball can capture themSo I just picture someone throwing poke balls at any new species they discover to test for it lel
>>734076454So the only real unifying feature is "anything which a pokeball can capture" basically.
>>734076714The actual unification nowadays is seemingly "Everything that isn't human".
>that pic of Vulpix giving her trainer head while her cum leaks onto a pokeballabsolute diamonds
>>734076748I get the impression some weird mythology lore probably explains it
>>734031895Based
>>734076874Probably some legendary made them for the specialized purpose of capturing and testing Pokemon in battle or something. I don't think they'll explain it as no answer will be good.
>>734073057ok what about icy wind. why is wind special
>>734077954The humans are immigrants
>>734076874arceus enjoyed battles and human cock so much that she created servant species (pokemon) just so they could enjoy it too
>>734078426Same reason gust is special. It's not a direct physical strike.Really, as long as they are relatively consistent about it. It's not too hard to guess.
>>734076874The leak implied they existed before Arceus does, weirdly enough.
>>734030108adulthood is realizing gen 2 is shit
>>734079284Gen 2 is trash but that's almost entirely world design. New mons are good. New gameplay mechanics are good. Changes to old mechanics are good. Game is just baffling put together.
>>734079125Why is sand tomb physical but scorching sands is special
>>734079191Yeah that just causes more autistic questions because that implies there would be non-Pokemon animals aside from humans but none are seen. I was guessing pokeballs only work on arceus and their creations but I dunno, ultrabeasts seemed more outside that context but they could be captured too.
>>734079660Or maybe it is like a tech thing where they could in theory make a ball that captures humans but don't because it'd cause a recursion problem (captured trainers with a set of mons they have, with more captured trainers and so on)
>>734079284>give all gen2 shitmons +50 or +100 bst>suddenly a lot of them become viable or even goodThere's no saving Ledian though
>>734079781It'd be stupid OP to be able to have a captured human deploy another 5 nonstop the normal stack of 6 yeah
>>734079641Neither one is a direct physical strike, but I guess Sand Tomb involves you destroying the ground like Earthquake.
Yeah like with a pokeball able to capture people you'd be able to smuggle armies and shitJust not a tech this fucking planet can be trusted with no wonder arceus went with tribal noble savage humans and worked from there
>>734079660>Yeah that just causes more autistic questions because that implies there would be non-Pokemon animals aside from humans but none are seenI think they were a thing back in the wild world of gen 1 but that hardly counts as canon.>I was guessing pokeballs only work on arceus and their creations but I dunno, ultrabeasts seemed more outside that context but they could be captured too.Ultrabeasts are weird. What's their lore again?
>>734080034>Yeah like with a pokeball able to capture people you'd be able to smuggle armies and shitWarfare in general is weird. Are we ever shown people using guns in the games? I tend to assume most combat was done with Pokemon... Just to the death. (No, I don't count Pokemon Conquest as canon. It's a crossover with Samurai Warriors).
>>734080097Aliens and other dimensions IIRCI think it might be people expect to be able to capture everything they fight so alien monsters that can't be captured wouldn't be satisfying to someone playing as the capture/collecting of them is the spoil in these games.
>>734046142Damn lopunny stats are really ass w/o mega. I guess she's useful as a fast mon for singleplayer
>>734029669It lost it almost immediately. When Gen 2 came out as a kid, all I could think is, "What is this garbage?" People keep posting a picture of the starters from every gen and Gen 1 sticks out so much it's crazy. The first game wasn't designed under the assumption it'd be a massive hit, but when it was, they immediately started hitting it with the design-by-committee slop stick.
>>734080353How come the only viable "Cute mascot" pokemon is clefairy?>Early and easy evolution>Can learn every move under the sun>Only real weakness is not being Nidoking/Nidoqueen>Became stupidly broken when fairy type came out.
>>734080467I like how Clefable just continues to get better every single generation, it's really making up for losing out to Pikachu as series mascot.
>>734080169It’s like the mech fighting genre where the use of mechs overrode prior conventions of war. Why use swords when you can use a Pokémon?
>>734080605It's gone back and forth. It's always been a weird but potentially game breaking pokemon in single player. It was surprisingly solid in gen 1 and 2, kind of mid in gen 3, carried by it's ability in gen 4, crippled by Normal completely dropping off in Gen 5, and then became a absolute monster in gen 6 and forward that makes most Smogon players seethe with it's mere existence.It's honestly gone from a Pokemon I never really thought about to one of my favorites after coming back recently. Always try to pick one up every generation even if I don't do much with it. >it's really making up for losing out to Pikachu as series mascot.It is funny how Pikachu has literally never been good despite the best efforts of Nintendo. At best Raichu is a solid enough choice in gen 1 if you ignore Jolteon exists.
>>734080797>Why use swords when you can use a Pokémon?Only real exception seems to be Koga. Granted, I have no clue if he's still a Ninja in current lore since I don't play Masters. Then again, I think Koga just poisons people. His ancestors probably used pokemon for that.
>>734050958this
>>734081145I get the impression humans in Pokémon are imported over from amore noble era of humanity in our past that didn’t develop the way we did tot he point their world being one of monster fighting to solve disputes is such a norm it probably doesn’t even occur to most people to use a weapon to directly kill or hurt someone instead of challenging them to a Pokémon battle.
>>734029669BOTH are onaholes
>>734081436Having a slave race around to do stuff for you probably does help your attitude.
>>734082594I don’t know if it really can be framed as a slave race thing, it feels more like humans are a specialized training / fight coordinating caste in the broader world arceus made. It Doesn’t make sense to have such caste be able to be captured since their function in the world is coordinating fights and conducting them.
>>734069941Gen 3s issue is that it was a mechanics upgrade when no one gave a damn about the mechanics except the odd basement dweller ready to break down how leer is broken.When people play new Pokemon they want new shit to be added that actually adds to the campaign. Gen 2 was stand out because it added things like the radio, day/night cycles,Pokeball crafting and differing pokemon spawn all at once. Pokemons stupid fucking ass sees fit to remove stuff like this iteration to iteration.
>>734085251This
>>734079641Some of these are due to translation. The japanese names make sense but the english names for attack don't always/
>>734076714>anything which a pokeball can captureThat's a weird criterion to begin with, the reason Poke Balls are designed as they are is to take advantage of Pokemon having the ability to shrink which they typically do reactively when threatened and/or injured, which is why a ball flying in their face can trigger that response and subsequently capture them inside with an opening and closing mechanism. All known Pokemon have the ability to shrink, so that'd be a better criterion, but we can't know if it truly is true for all of them or if there is a 'black swan' sort of Pokemon out there that doesn't.
I haven't played anything pokemon since GBA and I think my last one was the red lava guy. I'd like to replay just the first 2 gens, can somebody point me in a direction for which emulator and game I should play?
I'll be real, boys.Some of the best AI chatbots are animal-like Eevees that can barely talk english.
>>734029669>Master! Screw me onto you dick and use me as a cocksleeve!
>>734092387>tfw he drew her evolution
>>734092504>redso close yet so far
>>734046142>>734056806Reminder
>>734029669Gen 4. When the Pokemon designs became generic. They started just putting bain-aids on the already dated gameplay systems. And the big "innovation" was gimmicks like the PokeWatch. And of course, the Pokemon Company (merchandising department) became bigger than the games.
>>734034834ESL is when you post something really good (super bueno post si si) and it's so "bien" that you need to post more of that, buenos dias senorita.
>>734049074Kid shouldn't have relied on a pokemon that didn't like or listen to him. Entirely his fault since he had dozens of other pokemon to use.
>>734072374No, you just said something wrong and were corrected, it is nothing more than that. Why are normalfags so egotistical and have to take some kind of personal offense to everything? Why are you like this?
I'd never have a Vulpix or a Ninetales as a partner.>They are intelligent enough to understand every word you speak so you make a joke at their expense they will hold it against you>They are extremely vindictive and quick to offense >They can spend decades planning the perfect revenge >THEY SPIT FIRE!
>>734053769>But there's a certain strain of fursuit humans that exist in Pokemon now.Which is still nowhere as bad as Machoke and Machamp, the muscley scalies wearing a belt and panties, or Jynx, which is straight up just a woman and nothing else.
>>734080382if you didn't think Typhlosion and Feraligatr were dope as fuck you were a lame kid honestly
>>734094490It always made me sad that the Machop line loses its tail once it becomes Machoke.
>>734030108wynaut was gen 3
>>734094490Just because there are people who exist who want to get fucked by Machamp doesn't mean there are actually a lot. Jynx is intentionally a funny design like Mr Mime.It's pretty easy to go check just how much more "love" there is for the actual furbait goonslop like Lucario and Gardevoir.
>>734094461they curse you too (see that human who got cursed in pmd)
>>734090367They all can shrink you say?
>>734062106Hitmonlee is a chicken nugget with rubber legs, and while Hitmonchan is the single most human-like design in the entire game, he at least has a bit of an alien-ness to him (the head shape including segmented lower jaw, the skin/bone-pauldrons). Holistically the later games still did it worse.
>>734095090Wait so does this mean a human with shrinking powers could be captured as a Pokemon?
>>734094490Pokemon used to be just MONSTERS yknow. You could have humanoid monsters no problem, same way you have ghost monsters.Trying to rationalize GHOST types as being born as ghosts is the stupidest thing they ever did to their own lore.
>>734079804>There's no saving Ledian thoughThey just need to give him 490 BST, a typical level for a final form
>>734094050Ash saved Charmander's life, there's no excuse
>>734094490brother machoke and machamp are fucking body builders and there's nothing else to them, just like hitmonchan is a boxer. They might be humanoid, but in reality they are a lot more like a concept pokemon. You can't have a Machamp that isn't a humanoid because the whole THING is being funny bara bodybuilder monster. There is no tongue in cheek joke with the latter anthros. They are just animals that are human shaped for no reason. Here's fighting steel Anubis mon who speaks with his mind (also every new pokemon will speak with their mind when we have them in movies because, um, well, monsters? huh?) but actually has nothing to do with anubis and is just dog man mon for autists to latch onto.
>>734094490Those aren't job-type Pokemon, they're musclemaxxed reptilian humanoid monsters.
>>734044152This is literally how off-model fags see characters btw
>>734095337Charizard made it very clear he didn't like Ash and wouldn't obey his orders. Regardless of whether Charizard was justified it's still entirely Ash's fault for using a pokemon that he knew wouldn't listen.
>>734031895This actually got me laughing
>>734095274Would making him a Shuckle tier wall but only for special attacks even matter? He still has a 4x weakness to the overwhelmingly physical Rock type and no offensive presence. I guess you'd just give him dual screens and roost?
>>734095337You forgot Charmander saved Ash's life by keeping him warm when he was freezing to death. Basically he repaid his debt
>>734095274>Regice but worse
>>734094461I like my animal sexo relationships to be on hardmode thank you very muchI'M NO CASUAL
>>734029669After Platinum
>>734095724Charmeleon was pissed Ash was dragging his ass on EARNING his badges and Ash never got real.Charizard is perfectly justified in not listening to Ash: he's a failure of a trainer who gets carried hard by magical bullshit and friendship.
>>734097216Plus Ash kept it trapped inside a ball most of the time.
>tfw Beauty and the Beach will never get an official release
>>734095108In the FRLG Dojo I chose Hitmonchan because I love Little Mac and all the 3 Elemental Punch attacks come in handy even if they don’t always one shot everything.
>>734056209>Gorillaz just had a 9 minute cel animated 2d video released, for example.most of it was animated digitally, going by the short making of they shared
>>734029669The EXACT moment I (as in me specifically) stopped being a child
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJPw3CJSMF0
>>734029817Prease understandu, furries are our customers
>>734080467
>>734049267>>734049003AI Generation will bring this back.AIGen anime can easily be made with the cel animation look
>>734100671>Pikachu's jukebox>the good old times when the anime was great, the series was expanding and the animation was done in celI miss Team Rocket's animated shitposts like you wouldn't believe
>>734101597>AI shitno, fuck off. This was good because of the human factor, not without it
>>734101690luddite
>>734036704Year I was born!
>>734049201It's thanks to retards like you that they can get away with lowering standards. You'll just accept any slop they produce
>>734029669Kuromi's popularity caused this
Gen 2
>>734101597This.>>734101690I don't remember as a kid giving a shit about whether Pokemon or anything else was made by humans or not. If it was cool, I liked it
>>734101597AI is a cancer
>>734103268AI WILL SAVE US! AI WILL SAVE GAMING!!!!!See you next week when you're proven to be wrong and stupid and a whore.
>>734104203Bad try altfag
>>734029669After ruby and sapphire
>>734094490this is a weird hill to die on as, even for some of the later designs i like, there's been a distinct design change for bipedal furbait mons that's been there since at least gen 4 (lucario, lopunny) and stepped into high gear with gen 6 making it so there's ALWAYS at least one very obvious furbait mon 3rd evo for a starteri like the early gen artstyle, I like a lot of furbait-y mons, but there's really no using denying their hasn't been a big design change in that direction man
>>734101638didn't all of team rocket english va's die within the last like 3 years too
>>734101152>"You're next."
>>734036707Should of is fine unless you're a faggot but shoulda is still the superior choice
>>734106178it's should have, it's NEVER ofbecause you don't save have and only 've it sounds like of, but it's NOT of.
>>734041969kys arrogant anglo trash
>>734101152who do you think is the obscured 4th mon?
>>734106857Umbreon or that stomping Pokemon or possibly Tinkaton
>>734107061>Stomping pokemonTsareena
>>734106857either phermosa or milktankhttps://files.catbox.moe/k6vn7y.mp4
>>734106857Arceus.
>>734106857probably something fucking gay like lucario
>>734094461>THAT ninetales voiced animation I will never recover from this
>>734031895giwtwm
>>734109152context?
>>734109716There was a dog and it was a dimwit or something.
>>734109716You told Arisu that she has to wait 6 more years before she's allowed to love you
>>734109818big
>>734110810
>>734101597AI is funny because people seethe about it every time without fail
>>734111172because it's everything wrong with modern times, an amalgamation and reliance on convenience for every single thing cranked to 10
>>734104195
>>734101152I’d switch out that ugly black lizard for Jynx thank you very much.
>>734107216I need this but with Tsareena
>>734107626It better be a Cow and not a fucking disgusting Roach
>>734111098If it hasn’t been done yet, this glitch in particular would’ve made for funny R34 material.
>>734111434she can release pheromones that fucks with your brain for crazy cums
>>734029669In essence, real Pokemon died with gen 5 when they abandoned Japan and began with DEI character designs. It wasn't THAT bad with gen 5, but it has just gotten worse since then.
>>734107626Did you know there's a species of bug (I forget what it's called) whose sperm cells are long than its body?
>>734044152So glad Pokemon killed localization forever.
>>734085251While you are 100% agree I also... don't care? >Casual fans want shiny baublesYeah, okay. Hope they have fun with other gimmick mechanics like mega evolution.
>>734111642>France>niggersX and Y are the most realistic games even to this day.
>>734111260Super Switch could sold more than Sw1tch
>>734104195>>734111260I hate that bitch Wu
>>734106857For me it would be Meganium / Florges / Tsareena or Serperior. Also swap Vaporeon with Glaceon.
>>734029669Gen 2Even though it was my favorite gen and ut was still in the bubble of "pokemania", when they compromised on making more cool mons, and starting going down the direction of cutesy (ex: bailing on "gorochu" in favor of pichu). I think "cool" and "cute" could have stayed equal, but the real death was when they swapped the old school sugimori art style for the flat, loud, and softened modern style of today
>>734029669some time during gen 2 or at the very latest the start of gen 3. gen 1, especially pre anime gen 1, was based. Gen 2 still has a lot of gen 1 and soul left and is basically just pokemon 2. by gen 3 all of the edges were rounded off
>>734112834>I'm killing Weedles, I'm killing Weedles->Please stop
>>734045769Kys faggot
>>734095349I love how you say monster monster yet apparently a biped canine creatur isn't one. I guess apparently the whole cinematic history of werewolves movies is just one big pile of nothing.
>>734095406they are bodybuilders, retard
>>734109818will wugtrio get a buff to be usable or its a joke
>>734113675me when the new npc girls months later are almost perfect but are censored with a stupid design quirk
>>734114405Not a real job
>>734115128They're literally sex workers
>>734115338>four-armed duckbilled head-ridged blue-grey muscle menThey're monstrous enough to be acceptable
>>734115128half the jobs today are not real jobs
>>734029972Basically the first thing Oak says in gen 1 is that people keep Pokemon as pets
>>734101152It would be so funny if the champion of the league used that team, everyone fucking know what happen behind scene and can't do anything because he is the strongest trainer in the region
>>734034834Prepositions are the final boss of language
>>734111861Mega evolution was a great idea and gimmick even if it is essentially just a rip off of Digimons X Antibody redesigns its a pity future games are absolutely going to drop them because hhhhuuuurrrrr budget. Baiting people with a not only a higher stage of power but also potentially because look at what they did to fucking Starmie giving them a hot new look and moves is tempting. Z Moves are a decent idea too they just need to be more cinematic with some of them.Dynamax though? Miss me with that shit.
>>734111642Skyla > Lenora > Iris >
