>play E33 because everyone said its story is one of the greatest ever written in rpgs>the main twist is everyone and the world are actually fake so almost none of the actions of the plot or characters ultimately matterThe so called best RPG in recent years uses some of the most generic, tired writing cliches
>still seething
>>734044907well if it's so generic and tired I'm sure you can name me 10 rpgs with a similar premise
>>734044907It's not exactly "indie" but it is proof that smaller studios can put out AAA-tier games. We need more of that sort of stuff.
>>734045403Off the top of my head>FFX>FFTA>Star Ocean 3>Xenoblade Chronicles>Chrono Cross
kek, fecaloids still buckbroken 10 months later
>>734045694Sure, if they get angel millionaires behind it and AI under the hood. How inspiring.
>>734045767>AII looked into this claim and they had one AI texture that they later replaced.
>>734045728SO3 is the only one that is remotely close to E33.
>>734045807the only AI was for posters in the game and some interiors in windows you'd never look at. the jeets have been obsessing over this AI thing and making retarded claims like the music was AI.
>>734045807Don't forget that it was a placeholder and was never intended to be there in the first place.They did use ai during development, yes, but I genuinely don't see how that's a problem if there's no slop in the finished product.
>>734045807That was debunked in fact they lost a prestigious award for using AI
>>734046057Not even that. It was a single placeholder texture left there by mistake.
>>734045993FFX is very close>the journey the main characters thought they were going on to save the world was actually a ploy to hurt/destroy their world
>>734046279that's a stretch
>>734044907It's not even derivative, it's singularly bad
>>734044907You know it's a video game right? None of your choices matter in any video game whatsoever, ever. The only meaning it has it what you ascribe to it. RPGs are literally LARPs on your computer.
>>734046186They lost one award from some gay indie award show over ONE AI texture that they accidentally shipped with and was patched out
>>734046186you mean that indie show award nobody gives a fuck about?
>>734046358in reality they just couldn't admit that E33 isn't really indie and they added it by mistake
>>734046186>prestigious awardIt was an indie award no one ever heard of before or since. I wouldn't bw surprised if it was a publicity stunt to get some relevance for once in their lives.Their ruleset was also really vague, basically just that any ai use would disqualify you, which is retarded since basically everyone's at least tried out ai and most people use it as a glorifoed search engine occasionally, so where do you draw the line? Ai use during development shouldn't dq you if none of it makes it into the finished product.
>>734044907>The so called best RPG in recent years uses some of the most generic, tired writing clichesName another game that uses this "cliche"?
>>734046384E33 being considered indie is up for debate.Because even other indies get publishers nowadays. E33 is probably more AA in terms of budget since it was LESS than $10 million
>>734046491Having a publisher should automatically disqualify a game from being considered indie thoughever
>>734045403 The it was all a dream/imagination twist is around as played out as creepypastas. The main issue with E33 is that it is pretty much a shitty copy of the already shitty ff13 with an as retarded story, but because its shitty cheap french melodrama and not anime melodrama it gets a pass. As for games>Klonoa: Empire of Dreams>SINoALICE>FF10>Eternal Sonata>The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening>Star Ocean 3there is so many of these its not even funny
>>734044907>so almost none of the actions of the plot or characters ultimately matterretard
>>734046279The pilgrimage and the final aeon isn't a malicious plot. It's just a shitty, temporary solution that they rely on because they think there's no other options. There's no ambiguity that Sin is the true threat. Rather it's just about how best to deal with it. In Clair Obscur terms, it would be like if everyone understood from the start that the Paintress was holding back Renoir from destroying the world and everyone believed the expeditions were about helping her defeat Renoir for good, then revealing that they're actually basically just hopeless blood sacrifices to give the Paintress just enough strength to hold on for a year. So then you defeat the Paintress to end the cycle of pointless sacrifice and then take the fight straight to Renoir instead. It's similar in general structure, but the context is very different.
>>734046415I immediately thought of Alan Wake 1&2.
>>734046961>The main issue with E33 is that it is pretty much a shitty copy of the already shitty ff13 with an as retarded storyWhat?
>>734045728You're right about all of these and based for saying it
>>734044907Should we make it a family drama or save the world story? I don't know just smash 'em together.
>>734044907Why is it turn-based? Turn-based games are boring. They should've made it more like Doom or Devil May Cry. Those games rule rule. Turn-based games are lame.
>>734046961>it was all a dream/imagination twistretard
>>734047145There is great turn based games, even newer indie that are not even a year old, like the use of life, which is an actually great way to do turn based combat. E33 basically just a shitty way to do sekiro, because now theres massive wait times for combat that have really no point and there is 0 strategy which turn based should be about.
>>734045728>>734047072samefag
how are niggas still seething over this game
>>734046578So what is the actual definition of indie? Is it having a publisher or not? If so, nintendo games are indie. Is it a "style" of game? If so, that's too vague to really be useful and any AAA studio can create an indie game. The best metric in my opinion is creative independence with maybe some budget cut-off to exclude companies like valve.
>>734044907Using your logic, nothing matters in any piece of fiction because it's not real
>>734046961>The it was all a dream/imagination twistHow does that relate to E33 when the canvas is patently neither a dream or imagination?
>>734047330>>734045359why write this crap again, people are just discussing the game here without even any insults. The game is just not really good. Hell it is the same UE5 slop, with as empty hallways and that railroad u to the next point like FF13(it even has the same city hub design).
why is this the only game where posts with mild criticism(if that) get met with screeching about how they must be seething?
>>734047439keep seething
>>734047465>wahh why aren't you seething with me
>>734047439>same ue5 slop as all the other>hailed as gaming saviour by fagshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls4QS3F8rJU
>>734047392Literally "independent" in this case means "without a separate punisher." So yes, Nintendo games are indie.
>>734047529>look mommy i posted it again
>>734047562>still never any counterpoint, because it completely dismantles fags that defend the slop
>>734047529wtf is that manga?
>>734044907The entire point of the game is YOU deciding if you think fantasy worlds and characters are 'real' because of the impact they have on you, or if escaping into fantasy is dangerous for your mental health.In the Maelle ending they are treated as real, sentient people. In Verso's ending they are a drug that is killing Maelle.
>>734044907It's among the most overrated games I've ever played. It's not horrible but it's not amazing and I forgot everything about it after playing it and hadn't thought about it in months. It's the ultimate just killing time game
>>734047607gannibal it is a decent read, but doesnt have all the official TL released in english sadly.
>claims to not be seething>posts same pics and vids
>>734045694doesn't this game have more budget than Yakuza
>>734047465it's just like any other game where people make it their personality. so anything not overwhelmingly positive is an attack on their character. i also like the schizo theory the the composer posts in these threads, which is why theres so many extremely defensive posts about the soundtrack, but theres no proof of that other than someone posting their eye and it looking very similar to the composers. but that could just be a french inbreeding thing
>>734047758llmao stfu
>>734047684unlike you i aint lurking each threads about this, to defend a mediocre jrpg. I just know the video exists and completely shits on the technical aspects that people "praised".
>>734047465yes this is THE ONLY GAME on /v/ where people give you shit for making retarded claims like OP
>>734047794https://youtu.be/Unzsc7O6Q-A?si=Pe_dCpbiuzvUcq_S
>retards still seething about absolute kino
i love how you schizos always lose it when your narrative isn't followed and you claim people are overly defensive
>>734047839at least post something fun, if you ragebait like a retard.
>I'm totally rarely in these threads guise haha
>>734044907Video games aren't real so nothing you do there really matters.
>>734048000>he doesn't have a going into games machine
>>734047839kek
dunking on the brown turds shidding and farding over GOTY was the most fun i've ever had on /v/
>>734048247that's... good?
>>734048247same. and it seems the fun hasn't stopped.
>>734047597WOULD.
>>734048303People need their thing. For some it's healthy living, exercise, procreating, etc.For some... it's /v/.
>it's in a painting this it's not real !!!1!Low iq detected.
>>734048701Um yeah paintings are not real unless every character is god
>>734044907I hate games that throw you right in the middle of things and expect you to know what is going on.E33 is a prime example. It's complete fucking nonsense.>>734045694>it is proof that smaller studios can put out AAA-tier gamesYeah especially when your "smaller studio" has over 400 people, many from ubisoft, and hundreds of millions in funding from multiple investment companies in several countries.>>73404641513 sentinels, which stole the idea from an anime that came out in the early 1980s, and is such a cliche it was even referenced in the first season of rick n morty.
>>734048701midwit alertthe characters in the painting are no more real to maelle than maelle is to us.
>>734044907>one of the greatest ever written in rpgs
>>734047465The people who complain about this game have clearly never played it.Hating things because popular is cringe and gay.
>>734048917So not real at all
>>734044907> the people are fake> nothing matters that happens to themThis isnt true at all. This is essentially taking the position that when the Roman Gods come down to fuck with people, theyre in the moral right to do so, because they created them so they dont really matter.
>>734044907> none of the actions of the plot or characters ultimately matterYou could literally say that about any story. And yet, some stories are STILL better than others. It's almost like there's another metric that people use to evaluate stories...
>>734049140I agree with you but Lune and Sciel being so out of focus in act 3 does make them feel pretty fake in the end. I feel like that's a big part of why people walk away from the game thinking they were all fake.
>>734048883>I hate games that throw you right in the middle of things and expect you to know what is going on.You must hate real life
>>734047629The problem with maelles ending is that they arent treated as real people. Maelle turns it into her doll house and doesnt respect the boundaries of death. I dont care for verso but it was also a torture simulator for him. Forced to play while watching his sister die who he was ready to give everything up for (twice because he knows the experiences of the fire)In versos ending, everyone got to live a life and die; even if its tragic.
>>734049204>Lune and Sciel being so out of focus in act 3act 3 is short as fuck, and they do play a part
>>734049204You have their side stories that play out. But act 3 did feel like they had a release schedule and kind of rushed it. The structure of 3 is nonexistent vs the first two chapters.
>>734049291>act 3 is short as fuckthat's the big problem yeah
>>734048883>games that throw you right in the middle of things and expect you to know what is going onHow the hell does this apply to E33? There's a nice, slow, peaceful prologue that explains the story before the actual expedition starts.
>>734044907>go to /v/ instead of redshit or shitcord because everyone said people on /v/ were super intelligent>OP thinks that people in a video game are real, but people in a painting in a video game are fakeNever trusting you fags again.
>>734049343no it isn'tact 3 is obviously there so the player can do optional shit before finishing the game
>>734049396he expects the game to give a history lesson on the full history of the world before gameplay starts
>>734045359I think they may never stop. Some people just get something in their brain permanently broken when a game they don't like succeeds. It's crazy that there are people out there permanently mindfucked because e33 was a good game.
>>734048883>Yeah especially when your "smaller studio" has over 400 peoplethere aren't even 400 people in the credits you lying nigger
Maelle....
>>734046578>hotline miami wasn't indieokay retard
>>734049558You're right there's 416https://www.mobygames.com/game/241065/clair-obscur-expedition-33/credits/windows/
>>734049465The plot still moves way too quickly at the end even if we ignore the three act structure. But I suppose this is common with RPGs as a whole.
>>734044907The writing is not the main draw of this game.Ignore anyone who says it is and just enjoy a well made combat system with great rpg character building elements a charming world and great music.
>>734047465>my mild criticism is that this is dogshit slop and also a secret chinese plot and also a soulless ai UE5 asset flip and also the devs lied about their budget and have hundreds of secret employees
>>734049664Also freemason
>>734049437Its like this: in a story, if a characters actions impacts the plot and overall flow of the story then they are a meaningful character as the story could not work without them. However, if you reveal that the character's role in the story is fake then their agency as a character severely diminishes to the point where you, as the audience, no longer care about them.
>>734047145It's a blend of worst parts of turn based and parryslop>can't chill and play it as real turn based, have to parry dodge aim etc>no freedom of movement or cuhrazzy shit of a proper action game
>>734049583SHE'S 16 x2 YOU SICK FUCK
>>73404959655 lines are listed as being sandfall, didn't bother checking for any repeat names. You gonna tell me that now the separate company you pay to do QA testing is considered part of the dev studio? That has never been the case you dishonest faggot
>>734049761Sshhh...
>>734049626>well made combat system>maelle one shots the game once limiter gone>its sekiro but removes the main appeal of parry combat, which is the quickness of the action>doesnt make use of the turn based combat since it is has no strategy behind itthe combat is the 2nd worst aspect after its horrondous area design. Maybe 3rd if you consider the technical aspect of the low effort use of UE5, the asset shop and AI.
>>734049704>the character's role in the story is fakeWhat does that even mean? Regardless of the artificial nature of their world, the painted people exist and do things by the will of their independent minds.
>>734049771They're in the credits
>>734049801Do you ever consider trying to be a little more subtle?
>>734049783that's gustave's sisterdaughterwife
>>734049837And not part of the studio, which is Sandfall. You think a for hire musician that plays music sent to him which ends up in the game is part of the dev team?
>>734049801>the asset shopHow does this negatively affect the game?>AIWhat part of the game was made with AI?
im still mad that e33 won all the awards except the one i thought it should have won, sound design. fucking battlefield won that one.
>>734049851subtle about what? that the combat is dumb by design?
>>734049837>They're in the creditsCrazy, Andy Serkis is a member of Sandfall Interactive... What a legendary team.
>>734049881>there aren't even 400 people in the credits (there are more)That's how the conversation started
>>734049821The painted people are portrayed as props of a greater power meaning their actions have a very limited role. Why should anyone care about the hardships of the characters and that of the expeditions when it is later revealed that it would all be for nothing?
>>734049919Why would it win sound design?
>>734049704All painted characters affected the "real" characters and thus affected the real world too. Even those long dead people from previous expeditions - without them the party wouldn't reach Act 3 and the outside world would be changed (Aline still as the Paintress etc.).
>>734044907>fakeYou're dumb. Or trolling, because why would you think that?
>>734049936>Yeah especially when your "smaller studio" has over 400 peopleis how the conversation started. I was wrong about the number of people in the credits. Are you prepared to admit you were wrong about Sandfall (the studio that made the game) employing 400 people?
>>734049949NTA but the parry sound is kino. Definitely better than anything in battleslop.
>>734044907the average world iq is 2 compared to the 1990 baseline (100), and steadily droppingthe world you knew as a child is goneat some point reality tv will be praised as high art
>>734049949it did its sound direction really well.
>>734050002No because we were only discussing the credits
>>734050028So did battlefield and the audio in that game is half the game. Nu bfs kind of excel at that and it's practically one of the few things that stands out.
>>734049948>The painted people are portrayed as props of a greater powerNo they're not. Outside of painted clea and simon, none of them are mind controlled or anything. They act of their own volition. The party wouldn't have succeeded without Gustave's lumina converter, Lune keeping Gustave alive, Sciel saving them from the mask keeper, or Monoco helping them escape Renoir at Lumiere.>Why should anyone care about the hardships of the characters and that of the expeditions when it is later revealed that it would all be for nothing?Characters failing and dying doesn't mean that it was for nothing. Is this your first time with a tragic story? Did you need a happy golden route ending?
>>734050064Not prepared to admit it, gotcha. Take care faggot.
>>734049948Maelle would have not gone on the expedition without gustave and gustave would not have gone if he had kids.Gustave would have killed himself without Lune intervention. I would say sciel isnt really important to the main plot though.
>>734049908>How does this negatively affect the game?the area, npc design in the game has 0 cohesion and is just random crap thrown at the wall. Its like asking how it impacts ff7r when you get random modern age bald niggers walking around in the hub>AIseeing the shitty designs it has, it is not hard to imagine it was low effort AI aka all indians at work. Not to mention the shill campaign that made retards defend its horrid UE5 use and praise it or gaslit em into believing they a small indie studion with no backing. Retards still believe what that frog eating fag was saying about its budget too, while never mentioning the total spend.
>>734049801>SekiroIf Sekiro is your go to for combat or if you think it had better combat than E33 I don't know what to tell you. Sekiro may as well have been a turn based game.
>>734050094ill admit that bf6 is also really good, but i also think it was given a handout award since that was the only one it walked away with that night.
>>734050250It made sense for it to walk away with that. Besides, it's not like it was nominated for that many awards in the first place. Two or three total iirc.
>>734050208Areas are cohesive with themselves and distinct from one another because the world is a child's painting. Which NPC designs don't align with their surroundings?>it's not hard to imagineYou do seem to be doing a lot of imagining.
>>734050240>sekiro>fresh game with fully unique combat so good it created an entire genre in sekirolikes, that people seek out >fags have to pretend their shitty low effort slop is anywhere close
>>734050107Near the end almost everyone in lumiere dies showing their efforts were pointless since only one or two characters actually mattered, and in one of the endings everything gets erased
>>734050414You're going to die someday anon, nothing you do matters because of that. Retard.
>>734050296if ark raiders didnt exist, it would have won best multiplayer out of default. its contenders was peak, split fiction, and nightreign. as someone with like 800 hours in nightreign, i can tell you that it was winning jack fucking shit.
>>734045359Based
>>734050208>seeing the shitty designs it hasWhat shitty designs?>the shill campaignWhat shill campaign? Why doesn't every AAA game have a similar shill campaign? Maybe it's just a good video game and people on the board about video games want to talk about it?
>>734046961I love how every time someone says this is just a dream plot they get hit with but I did eat breakfast tier responses. Expedition 33? More like average IQ 33.
>>734050512>Maybe it's just a good video game and people on the board about video games want to talk about it?That's how it started. But it's a single player game and pretty short, so that ended after a couple of months. Then it was maellefags bickering with versofags for a few more months. After that, it was just nonstop retards seething about the game being popular. The fact that discussion about this game would've ended like four months ago if a handful of schizos weren't having an eternal melty about it is all the proof you need that there was never a shill campaign.
I really enjoyed how they did the world building in the prologue. Showed a decent range of different views and philosophies that could reasonably arise given the situation they were in. Made Lumiere feel more lived in rather than just a background setting.
>>734050535>my bait didn't get enough attention, let me try to get more people to see it
>>734045359
>>734050315>misses ai point entirely to nitpick>which NPC designs don't align with their surroundings?>when you get random modern age bald niggers walking around in the hublearn to read and its supposed to be random doesnt work or make the enemy designs or area cohesive and not just random crap.>>734050512>Why doesn't every AAA game have a similar shill campaign?also kek they do, but you need a hook to gaslight faggots to defend it late on, like E33 did with their small indie dev crap. Guys in Zurich did tests with ai bots on reddit nearly 2 years ago on how easy it is to gaslight people.
>>734050467>missing the point this much>>734050535E33fags literally don't understand the concept of character agency
>>734050627The everyone is the same person posting bait cope is real. You hate to see it.
>>734050535okexplain why the painted world twist ruins character motivations or undoes what happened beforeoh wait, you didn't play the game
>>734050672>They tried something and failed, so they have no agency
>>734050669>>734050512>actual conducted research showing ai bots are more succesful at changing peoples minds and gaslighting them than humans>game devs and other companies certainly arent abusing it to get, cattle to empty their wallets and feel like they didnt waste their money
are these dumb chuds still shilling this ai garbage "game"?
>>734045359Kek browns deleted
>>734050669>they doNo AAA game has the amount of discussion E33 did on release.>but you need a hook to gaslight faggots to defend it late onSurely those massive companies worth billions of dollars are able to pay their marketing departments to come up with such a hook, or even bypass that and just keep paying shills indefinitely.>E33 did with their small indie dev crapYou don't think Sandfall is an indie studio? Why exactly?>Guys in Zurich did tests with ai bots on reddit nearly 2 years ago on how easy it is to gaslight people.Now try to scale that up to a game that 5 million people played. If it actually was shit, no amount of gaslighting or shills would hide that.
>>734049664also everything was made with ai
>>734050592>em dash in the gameOHNONONONONO E33SISTERS WHAT THE HELL IS THIS I THOUGHT THE GAME WASN'T AI SLOP
>>734050841As a player I feel betrayed that everything we did and got invested in ultimately means nothing. The world is well designed, the characters were initially interesting, everything, but the sour note is that none of it was real. Just like in the Matrix, what is real? is also a question it brings up. But I didn't want that in my Expedition adventure, the game as advertised as a grand sorrowful adventure and what we got was a rug pull in act 3 and none of it means a thing. It felt like a betrayal of my time and emotional investment with zero player agency by ignoring all the built up ACT III character narratives, side stories, relationships made and even its main cast of characters Lune and Scielle at the end. And then even the endings turn out to be just melancholic cliffhangers after all thatI've played thousands of games, I've spent hundreds/thousands of hours in some, but I never came out of a single one feeling like my time and emotional investment was betrayed or meaningless. And that's what Clair Obscur's endings did. >>734050896Within the context of the story, correct. Only Verso, Renoir, Maelle and maybe Cleo mattered since they existed outside of the painted world and therefore had the actual choice to do something about the conflict
>>734045359its the plot of Eternal Sonata a hybrid w/j rpg back in the xbox era
>>734050512just gonna drop some info here, so you can comprehend how far the gaslight marketing goes. The headlines of breaking records and concurrent players, is also often fake. Steam keys for new AAA on Taobao are now often under 1 buck, if you ever wondered why there is so many ching chong player now on steam like for MH Wilds. They did that with movies for ages, but now it also reached games. Finding a hook that sticks is not that easy, im just pointing out the easiest here.
my favorite cope was when some tranny said they didn't deserve the indie award because their teeth looked too nice KEK
>>734044907You have to understand that this is a shill campaign targeted at people who don't play video games, and certainly not JRPGs.
Trails is also leaning in this direction.
>>734051225>The headlines of breaking records and concurrent players, is also often fakeThat's called lying to investors and is illegal. I know you don't care about that in india but in White countries we take honesty seriously. Notice how all these AAA flops need to use "players" or "copies shipped" while E33 just had "copies sold"?>Steam keys for new AAA on Taobao are now often under 1 buckTrue. Steam keys also don't count towards the overwhelmingly positive review score, so not sure how they faked that. Or how they faked the concurrent player counts since they'd need a 100k computers all running the game.
>>734051497Why doesn't every AAA game have a similar shill campaign?
>>734044907You're a brainlet if that is your takeaway from the story though.
>>734049503i think it's also the anti-BG3 faggot too
>>734051635you're probably replying to a ubisoft shill right now
>>734051641The main theme of the game is escapism is bad but it would have been much more interesting if it explored the existential dilemma of being a constructed being or the nature of reality and consciousness
>>734044907No Man's Sky did this as well. This is peak Millennial Disassociation Disorder; as the first generation to have their minds defined by computers and shrunk by mobile technology.
>>734051635Wouldn't feel as organic. The fact that the entire industry deemed E33 the greatest indie game of the year, and of all time, despite having 40+ in-house devs, 100+ from outsourcing, a baseline budget of $10m and publishing by a NetEase-funded company tells you all you need to know.
>>734044907If it were just about the writing, it could have been a book. But it's a video game, so every fucking other aspect of it contributes to its quality. This includes gameplay, presentation, soundtrack, sound effects, voice acting, pacing, and just the ultimate execution of it all. Expedition 33 isn't great because of one part but because it is greater than the sum of its parts. Stop looking at video games as if they're one-dimensional pieces of fucking media.
>>734047145Actual 12 year old.
>>734050841I never said it did, I could even argue it didn't but it's still an "it was all a dream" plot at the end of the day and that's a trope we've all been shitting on since before you were born. It's not magically good now just because it's wrapped up in purple prose like every god damn french writer likes to do.
>>734051606>That's called lying to investors and is illegal.it is not a lie, they sold the keys and dont have to disclose the profits of the game. Same if a company buys movie tickets for its own movie or have a deal with china to basically "sell" tickets and have the money "spend" funneled back to u>Steam keys also don't count towards the overwhelmingly positive review score, so not sure how they faked that. Or how they faked the concurrent player counts since they'd need a 100k computers all running the game.>give chingchongs a bunch of for chingchongs only for basically free>chingchongs buy em and sell em too>ton of people play the game for nearly>trick fomo fags to pay full price cuz so many people bought itIn general it is the easiest way to create hype for anything, because herd mentality strong. Also, while they dont count to the score they still show up under reviews, which also influences people.
>>734049503>I think they may never stop.We get daily Witcher 3 seething threads. And it's been 11 years. Seething never stops.
>>734052067>We get daily Witcher 3 seething threadswait what
>>734051758It does explore that though, if you think about things yourself that is the dilemma of the game, if you have to be told everything straight up then yeah maybe you don't take that into consideration.
>>734052067there's a difference between genuine autists who post daily about games they hate for decades and the average twitter rapefugee on 4chan who hates E33 because some black teenager tweeted about it colonizing the games awards or some retarded shit like that
>>734051917>The fact that the entire industry deemed E33 the greatest indie game of the year, and of all time,Maybe the fact that E33 is an indie game and the greatest game of all time had something to do with that.>despite having 40+ in-house devsYou mean a very small team? Also, it's only 30+.>100+ from outsourcingQA testers do not count as developers. At best there's the 10 gooks that made the battle animations.>baseline budget of $10mAgain, that's very low.All I'm hearing is justifications for why it should be considered indie. Especially since they're, you know, an independent team rather than being told what game to make by the shareholders.>publishing by a NetEase-funded companyIns't Netease basically an investment firm? You're going to need to show some evidence that any of that money actually went to Sandfall and affected their vision. Netease doesn't have E33 listed on their site so it doesn't seem they had any influence.
>>734052207AA isn't indie. Indie games have no budget. Hollow Knight and Hollow Knight: Silksong were made on AU$ 57,138 by a team of 3 people. You couldn't be any more disingenuous if you tried.
>>734051997>it is not a lie, they sold the keys and dont have to disclose the profits of the game. Same if a company buys movie tickets for its own movie or have a deal with china to basically "sell" tickets and have the money "spend" funneled back to uYeah I know that's how it works over there in india, but here in Europe "sold" inherently means an actual person bought it because, again, we value honesty and that's what any reasonable person interprets the word as meaning.>>give chingchongs a bunch of for chingchongs only for basically free >>chingchongs buy em and sell em too >>ton of people play the game for nearly >>trick fomo fags to pay full price cuz so many people bought it Are you having a stroke? Should I call an ambulance?>In general it is the easiest way to create hype for anything, because herd mentality strongIf it's so easy, why isn't every AAA studio doing it? Just make some positive posts and everyone will suddenly think your game is a masterpiece because of herd mentality, right?
>>734052412Give it a rest, you mentally ill shill. You're doing overtime.
>>734045359flippy
>>734047465shut the fuck up bg3 schizo
>>734052207Morrowind was made by less than 40 people.
>the thousands of people in the decision making process were wrong>me, the fat tranny on 4chan, is correct
>>734052343>Indie games have no budget. Hollow Knight and Hollow Knight: Silksong were made on AU$ 57,138 by a team of 3 peopleSo they had a budget and aren't indie either?What if EA told 3 employees to make a game with no budget besides their salaries? Would that be indie?
>>734052497You've overreached, schizo troll. No more dopamine for you. And you were doing so well keeping the facade going.
>>734052482It was made 20 years ago when that was a standard size for a team. Now the standard size is more like 500 in-house + 1000 contractors. 30 in-house + 10 contractors is small compared to that.
why are they so mad about this game
>>734045359it's absolutely hilarious how contrarian this board is
>>734052440>no argumentThank you for conceeding that I'm right and White while you're wrong and brown.>shillOh no, I do this for free because it's fun.
>>734052564twitter bots saw an opportunity to ragebait. many such cases
>>734052545Original Sin was made by less than 40 people on less than 10% the budget of E33. Original Sin 2 was made by 70 people. E33 is not indie.>>734052590>Oh no, I do this for free because it's fun.>>734052521>You've overreached, schizo troll. No more dopamine for you. And you were doing so well keeping the facade going.kek holy shit
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>>734052575>not being an incoherent retard is contrarian is trannylandsomehow i'm not surprised
>posts a video of Elden Ring inspired by E33>From's cultists explode in rageSweet
Dopamine addict, you've revealed yourself. You were never arguing in good faith. You were merely harvesting dopamine, being the dopamine fiend that you are, in the most efficient way available to you. What a sad existence. You don't care about E33 one way or the other. That's how far gone you are. You need to take the necessary steps to fix your life instead of endlessly pursuing dopamine on 4chan.
>>734052669somehow i'm not surprised you're a tranny obsessed ESL retard
>>734052708looks like i struck a nerve
Fallout new VegasYep no RPG can compare to thatDon't make like that anymore*siiipppp*
>>734044907>actually fake>none of the actions of the plot or characters actually matterThey are real people within the confines of the Canvas, they think and feel and have emotions. This isn't a 'gotcha', the devs have said this multple times.
>>734049503It didn't succeed. It wasn't even in the top 20 sold video games during the year it RELEASED
>>734052743no you're just a fucking retard
>>734052693botpost of the century
>>734052765>It didn't succeed
>>734052605>Original Sin was made by less than 40 people on less than 10% the budget of E33. Original Sin 2 was made by 70 peopleI'd still count both as indie since their teams are relatively small and they have creative independence. Also, original sin's budget was 4 million. That's not quite 10% of 10 million.
>ITT
>>734044907put aside the story, the gameplay and performance of E33 is horrendous. Unforgivably bad, It's the only game of this style where I was actively avoiding combat because of how tedious it was. The parrying mechanic invalidated the RPG aspects, the only thing you are doing is scouring edges for pictos which are effectively pointless as the gameplay loop is 100% memory based, you watch the animation and push the button in time to win, over and over and over again.A HECKING HARD fight is just a bigger health bar, your stats and abilities don't really matter.The character movement and platforming is janky, sometimes the game will just crash or have a weird bug, I kept getting stuck on obstacles on the world map, had to savescum or switch to a specific character and spam the attack animation to get unstuck.
>they're still seething
>>734044907>Fake world>Time still pass even if there none painter inside.>Literal pieces of souls insideExplainIs our world fake because God created it?
>>734052765>approximately 150k video games released in 2025>99.998% of them didn't sell EVEN as many copies as Fifa, Madden or CoD>this means they all FLOPPED>literally trillions of devs died of hunger>in 2026 only the remaining 30 studios will create games>with how long it takes to make a game nowadays, we're going to get 5 games a year across all platformsDamn. I wish more of them succeeded (that is: got into the top 20 best selling games, below that it's only flops).It's over for Us, Gamers.
>>734053643No because god created it. The painted world was created by humans therefore it has no divine spirits (besides verso's)
>>734053730You are to god what Sciel is to Aline.
>>734044907>"it was all le dream? RRRREEEEEEEE" sorry you failed the iq test
>>734045403Eternal Sonata is nearly an exactly the same, same with the parry system.
>>734045728>FFX>Chrono CrossLiterally, and I mean literally literally, not figuratively literally as a way to exaggerate, Chrono Cross has nothing to do with E33 story-wise.FFX has one character who isn't "real".
>>734054598Pity it isn't part of the xbox backwards compatibility program. I skipped it back in the day because it was September of 2007 and so I, as every 360 owner at the time, was playing Halo 3 instead. But if liking E33 is any indication that I'd like Eternal Sonata then it sounds like I missed out. What a shame.
>>734052963This is true for literally every single game with an action element. Does being able to i-frame through everything mean that health and armor are completely useless in Elden Ring? Literally no one thinks that, but retards somehow post these kinds of takes on E33 lmaoYou're not supposed to go glass cannon, I invested into health and defense and could tank a fair amount of hits, and as a result the game didn't frustrate me as much, as long as I parried/dodge half of the attacks I was good
