We've got some anons that are making undertale fangames of their own here on the site and it reminds me of just how many games have come out of 4chan as a whole. Have you ever gotten into fangame creation, or even made fanart/fanfiction? Tell me about the things that inspired you to create OC of any kind, and witness the autism of fangames.
i've written quite a few vidya fanficsall smut btwit's fun
>>734093146I used to think it was the dumbest thing, but then I got over myself and gave it a try myself. It really is a lot of fun.
>>734093031Reminder that these "general" Undertale Yellow sludge threads are a recurring, weekly raid from /vrpg/ and aren't about fangame development, just about Undertroon Yellow.Jannies, do your goddamn jobs and exile these retards to >>>/vg/ already.
>>734093254>NOOOOOO STOP IT STOP TALKING ABOUT VIDEOGAMES ON THE VIDEOGAME BOARD STOP IT NOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>734093254This thread isnt breaking any rules. Is there a problem officer?
>>734093325Not an argument. You are deliberately calling users from a different board on a regularly scheduled basis, complete with a link from that thread to the "raid" thread, for no reason except to be obnoxious.You already have a designated discussion space on /vrpg/ where you can keep yourselves and your rotten, putrid stench the fuck away from here. /v/ ill needs MORE of this insipid Undertale sewage shitting up the board. Nobody fucking likes you. Everybody hates your games. Everybody is sick of seeing this shit spammed daily, hourly, with no action taken to curb it.
>>734093217Yeah, putting the things you'd once just think about to words is great. It can be challenging but it's super satisfying to actually finish one and put it out there (even better if others like it too).When done right it hits the mark in a different way compared to drawn stuff.
>>734093459>STOP. TALKING. ABOUT. VIDEOGAMES!!!!!!!>STOP IT! WE NEED MORE POLITICAL ECELEB AI PORN RAGEBAIT WOJAK FROGPOST THREADS!>NOT THESE STUPID FUCKING VIDEOGAMES, SO STOP TALKING ABOUT THEM!!!!!!!!>STOP TALKING ABOUT VIDEOGAMES WAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
>>734093031reminder that ceroba is fat
>>734093459Its video game discussion, on the video game board, respecting the rule that says youre still allowed to have threads about specific games.Video game discussion is allowed on /v/, even if you dont like the video game in question. I hope you have a good day and find whatever your preferred twitter thread is though.
>>734093518that's a good way of putting it. I was trying to learn how to draw, and I would still like to put time towards it, but the satisfaction from making an idea come together, and then someone saying they look forward to more, is inspiring. It's important to have the self motivation of course but when someone reads what you did out on the wild internet and likes it, well it's just nice. My only exposure to fanfiction before I gave it a try was the absolutely unintelligible smashbrothers fanfics a friend showed me growing up, and sadly I let that paint my full picture of what fanfiction was, so I never tried it until recent times.
>>734093528Gross.Would not buy game.
There's a special feeling seeing people talk about all of the cancelled orange fangame protagonists and no one knows about Val yet. I really want to see what peoples reaction is going to be when Naranja anon finally goes public>>734093528Flat*
>>734093031Any time I engage with any media it inspires me to create OC. Basically anything I watch read or play makes me want to write a story inspired by it.
Man even if I wanted the thread to actually be about that Naranja game that has a new demo, I think the subpar OP was worth it to further confirm that avatarfagging dipshit was over on /vrpg/ shitting up the thread with his faggot bullshit because he STILL hasn't gotten over >muh yellowfags
>>734094126Honestly impressive. People like you were the foundation of old 4chan.
>>734094141Nothing stopping Naranja from being discussed. It's perfectly on topic after all to talk about OUR HEROES
>>734093254They won't do shit but good job at exposing this pseudo-general
>>734093528fat martlether name is lardlet
>>734094141This was meant to be a Naranja thread?
>>734094178I didn't say I actually made anything. I am a terminal ideas guy. Honestly, its a wonder I've gotten as far as I have.
>>734094403Good job anon. Weve exposed the video game discussion!
>>734093459
Omori did that for me. The OC i created has since warped into it's own thing entirely.May or may not be making a game about them.
>>734093528The only fat one should be StarloThe big nerd.
>>734094442Well then anon, I hope at some point it inspires you enough to at the very least write down some of your inspirations, or maybe one day it will drive you to draw something.
>>734094438It's about fangames, really any of them could apply, I just think Naranja should be what the OP's about since it has a pretty good demo, man.
>>734093031Playing UTY triggered some kind of sleeper agent activation protocol in my head and now I have to draw the fox every once in a while or I'll die.And I wouldn't have it any other way.
I'll ask a little helpwhat would be some good ACTs for a flying saucer enemy?
>>734094563It's like you are in some king of Fox Die
>>734094512Every once in a while I make a thread about this, so while undertale is my big autistic obsession, I hope that if you do turn your idea into a game, that I get to find out about it.
>>734093924game is free
>>734094628Throwing the saucer like a frisbee
>>734094646I apologize anon, Naranja got several threads over the last month because of its demo. I just wanted to break things up a bit since there are several fan games being worked on.
>>734094628Something involving the classic tractor beam?
>>734094141You're still welcome to discuss it, you know. Most of just already did all of our discussion in the preceding 5 Naranja threads.
>>734094628>beam up>if there are multiple enemies around, you can get the flying saucer to try tractor beaming you out of the arena for the turn.
>>734094646Was for>>734094552
>>734094857FUCKIm just going to stop posting, my neurons are malfunctioning
>>734094628Sight - try to catch the saucer on camer, if successful the enemy will flee
>>734094550I do draw things occasionallySpeaking of, to christen my newly recommissioned PC, I'll take some requests.
>>734094510NTA, but I only just noticed that Zaer has a kind of :3 face here.How is he so cute bros...
>>734095071He rocks.
>>734095046Chujin curled up in a ball while Freeman's Mind Gordon yells at him about turrets.
>>734095046Soul Bravo trying to hype Racter up.
>>734094512Care to elaborate?
>>734095112And I'll rock him.
>>734094703Even worse.Gross.
I have written a 45 chapter yellow/undertale fanfic which bridges the two games together. I'll never publish it. Its solely for my enjoyment.
>>734095482by god anon, I can't help but be curious even if I'm never going to get to see it.
>>734095046A monster standing near a time-machine watching a major battle of the human-monster war in the distance.
>>734093031I made a game about waluigi collecting rent money done in the style of the original SMB game, but I never distributed it and I only have a few clips of it now
>>734095710That's pretty funny. It makes me think of the old custom maps back in warcraft and starcraft that were sometimes about the most unexpected stuff.
>>734095482No you didn't. You just said that to mess with us.
>>734095071I'd say we should protect his smile but someone already knocked a teeth out of him
>>734094642I would gladly die for my roba.
>>734094746that will hopefully be an attack>>734094937sounds funny but this feels more like a deltarune minigame act, I'm looking for mostly text acts like undertale
>>734096190Eh, we can protect the *rest* of his smile.You know, it's a little banged up, but it's still good.
>>734094628Vocally threaten to post grainy photos of it on the undernet so that UFOlogists will start harassing it.
>>734096264>sounds funny but this feels more like a deltarune minigame act, I'm looking for mostly text acts like undertaleThen just remove the "if successful" part and make it automatic. Personally, I think minigame acts are a great addition to the game.
>>734096279In a way, I think the missing tooth makes his smile more cute
I liked the part of the last thread where a bunch of people actually seemed to agree that having your own self-sacrifice be denied would suck, that was first time I've seen that happen around here.
>>734094442Ideas guy like you can still help fangame devs here with suggestions, once you begin making something you realize you don't have as many ideas as you thought
>>734096726It would suck to be denied, but I would still deny someone else's if they did it for my sake. Like if I were a monster and Clover killed himself for me, I'd refuse to accept his soul.
>>734096857I kind of feel the same way, and I might be over the top about it if I was trying to convince clover to live "listen here human, you single handedly proved that we shouldn't go to war against humans. I don't know WHAT I'll do but I swear if you take that soul out again I'm going to flip the fuck out.">>734096726>"ceroba please, the ketchup is half off for widows!">ceroba reminds anon that she is in fact already a widow so there's no reason to kill himself today.
>>734094779I thought we had 3 Naranja threads in total?
>>734096809>you can still help fangame devs hereIn that case, I should probably help myself first. I do help other devs though.> once you begin making something you realize you don't have as many ideas as you thoughtThat's not quite accurate. Ideas are easy to have, the problem is getting a complete set of ideas. A story is like a puzzle, and ideas are the pieces. However its possible to keep coming up with duplicate ideas or ideas that don't fit with any of the pieces. And its very difficult to turn that story into a proper work of fiction, whether that be a game, a book, or an image.
>>734095827Yeah the idea was Toad is a landlord and waluigi's goal is to collect money. He even robs luigi's mansion at one point
>>734097032>down to the penny amounts devious, waluigi had a hard life.
>>734096995Okay but if she's a double-widow then she'd either get it for free, or get it for 25% off depending on how we're handling this.
>>734097078>some random passerby says that making her sigh, anon just looks at her with a "hey he's right" expression>she has to read the annoying fine print to find the text "only one dead husband per widow"
>>734096857>Like if I were a monster and Clover killed himself for me, I'd refuse to accept his soul.Well that just reminds me of the tumblr chicken nugget post.Like, it's a nice gesture and all, but the chicken's already in the nugget, not eating it isn't gonna turn it back into a chicken.
>>734096995I think in a previous thread I said that I'd threaten to destroy the soul so that no one gets it if he tried to sacrifice himself.
>>734097158"clover I will absolutely waste this chicken nugget and die of sadness, you know how prone to depression monsters ar- wait you don't? oh man ok so I will literally stop breathing from how sad I'll get if you kill yourself. I'll just lay on the ground and die."
>>734097158Justice isn't about restoration, its about people getting what they deserve. Justice is destructive and wasteful, if it weren't, we wouldn't need laws and men with guns to enforce it.
>>734097128I will find a cause to sacrifice myself for someday, I will not be denied the chance to die gloriously for the sake of my fox wife.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/grhFUU2_Nt0
>>734097235Sorry pal, Clover's just too much of a hero to leave things be.Hope rides alone.
>>734097269I'm sorry anon, just like Val may one day realize his fighting causes his friends trouble. the real sacrifice you need to make is realizing your wife will be happier if you don't sacrifice yourself. You have to fight the urge to throw yourself onto a metal fence from the 3rd story to get your wife an extra pack of free peanuts.
>>734097264>Justice is destructive and wastefulExactly, which is why Clover needs to do what they need to do.
>>734097374Ok, I will make sure nothing good comes of his sacrifice if he does it. If he truly is a hero then he will do something else, if only to save those around him.
>>734097386Buf what if just like Val, that anon wishes to die fighting an impossible battle were too strong?
>>734097424correct, what he needs to do is grow up into a health adult before he tries to kill himself. Hopefully by then I've instilled a sense of self worth and a desire to not see all of his friends literally turn to dust out of sadness. Justice that forsakes a child is no justice at all. I may ride alone, but I know my cause is righteous.
>>734097424What he's doing isn't justice. If he, an innocent child, dies for the monsters' sake, then the monsters deserve to be trapped underground forever for killing innocent children for their own benefit.
>>734097531>killing innocent children for their own benefit.No, he's the one killing himself for *their* benefit.He's a hero, just like D-FENS.
>>734097471we all think we want what we want until we get it. Just imagine your wife waking up every morning with tears from her dreams, and crying herself to sleep every night because she lost two husbands the same way. Don't do this to your foxwife, she... well I can't say she deserves better but I want her to have better.
>>734097471>that anon wishes to die fighting an impossible battle were too strong?That has been one of my greatest hopes and dreams ever since I played Halo: Reach as a child.Honestly, that sounds perfect.
>>734097610But dying in battle is the coolest thing you can do, just look at Bardock and future Gohan, do you want to deny that anon's wishes?
>>734097431Do not say this is how it has to be...You do no better than the fools of this burning city!
>>734097582>No, he's the one killing himself for *their* benefit.And they accepted it, making them complicit. If they were just, they were refuse those ill gotten gains, regardless of how much they need them. And lets not forget the 5 other children they murdered, and their intention to murder a seventh and the rest of the human race.>He's a hero, just like D-FENS.Not really comparable here, since everything he did was personal revenge. Even if he was right in every instance (which is a separate debate) its a different kind of justice from what Clover is doing.
>>734097681being a supporting and loving husband for your dreamwife is slightly cooler. A husband and father can do more for his family than a life insurance policy ever will.
>>734097610>Just imagine your wife waking up every morning with tears from her dreams, and crying herself to sleep every night because she lost two husbands the same way....Sigh.Okay, that would be bad.I don't want that for her, by any means.But if the stakes are too high, I'd rather have her cry for me than have her scattered to the wind in a cloud of dust.
>>734097725You're forcing the comparison here.
>>734097812I think she'd rather be scattered to the wind than feel that kind of loss again.
>>734097883Take her down with you, now she won't suffer after you die sacrificing yourself for her
>>734097812as is the role of husband in a traditionally if it came down to it. But if the choice is between dying gloriously, and dragging all of you out of there even if it's shameful to run away from the glorious death you crave, there IS a right choice.>>734097883and yeah honestly getting her to open up again after that loss, and accept not only loving but being loved again, and then making her lose that again. Not everyone believes there are fates worse than death, so let me ask you, are you simply more afraid of being the one who loses her, or do you really think she'll be better as someone reforged and then broken again, worse than she ever thought possible?
>>734097820Alright, jokes aside, based on Clover's characterization, and also what the devs themselves said during the anniversary stream, I don't think pacifist Clover would be at all happy to live on in the underground while knowing there's something they could do about the barrier by sacrificing themselves.Regardless of the few normal human behaviors they exhibit, they are still highly ideologically driven, and something like that just wouldn't ever sit right with them.To quote The Will of One one last time, "But if I stay here with you, I will leave them to their doom!".That's how pacifist Clover would see things, and we know this to be true, because that's why they sacrificed themself.
>>734096548>I think minigame acts are a great addition to the game.I see that but I'm trying to cut corners here
>>734097986>To quote The Will of One one last time, "But if I stay here with you, I will leave them to their doom!the last chapter of "covering up the footprints" has a very good answer to this. It's one you wont agree with likely, because it's very emotionally driven, but I think of it very often. It felt very appropriate for Ceroba to make that argument too.I think Clover would see things like you said, but I don't think Clovers mind would be unchangable. He's idealogical, but he's also a kid, so if you worked with him to build a new frame work and it satisfied his sense of justice and hope over time, I think he could actually be very happy undreground (not counting floweys meddling).
>>734098082What are you making?
>>734097968>But if the choice is between dying gloriously, and dragging all of you out of there even if it's shameful to run away from the glorious death you crave, there IS a right choice.Ah, perhaps you're right.By truth, I would rather be able to spend my days, embraced in her warmth, rather than feeling my own warmth drain out of me onto the battlefield.But is it truly so wrong to dream of such things, of flying so close to the sun, feeling it's glory sear my flesh from my bones?A man can dream.>are you simply more afraid of being the one who loses her, or do you really think she'll be better as someone reforged and then broken again, worse than she ever thought possible?Right to the heart of things, eh?Yes, I would greatly fear losing her, and having to spend the rest of my life without her. And I do now realize that it would be unfair to inflict such a thing on her, twice over.Perhaps the better pursuit is not glorious termination, but everlasting preservation...Perhaps in that world, immortality could be attained, with enough work.
>>734097017SnexoI want to see her in tribal gear
>>734098289I can't remember the full gist of the quote, but it was something about going into battle with the desire to live rather than the desire to meet glory, so that you fight harder to see the ones you love again. I do understand the feeling you have here, I have had my self sacrificial fantasies at times, but if you refuse to love yourself then the love you give others becomes more hollow in what it lacks.The man who stands up just one more time, takes just one more breath because he wants to see his wife's face again. This is the inspiration I needed.
>>734098395Me too, ans since we are already here, which do you like more, small sniddies or big snitties?
>>734098137>He's idealogical, but he's also a kid, so if you worked with him to build a new frame work and it satisfied his sense of justice and hope over time, I think he could actually be very happy undreground (not counting floweys meddling).I don't know, I think Clover at either extreme presented in UTY is pretty stuck in their ways.Whether it be true pacifist or true genocide, nothing seems capable of denying them from delivering "justice" to those around them.In a sense, I think it might not be unfair to describe Clover as having a similar sense of "justice" as Anton Chigurh. They exist to be a vessel of their own ideology.They deliver what they see as "justice" making things "balanced" as they believe they ought to be, but when it comes time for that to incur some kind of payment on their own behalf, they're willing to pay the tab.Neutral Clover is the only version of Clover that's willing to back down, but every other version of themself sees things through to the end.I don't think pacifist Clover would be willing to back down after they've made up their mind, but in the interest of not tanking the thread with a massive argument, let's just agree to disagree for now.
>>734098598I think her shoes look like like kid shoes than actual ones that fit her legs and that is distracting me from everything else
>>734098598I respect big sniddy enjoyers but I prefer my reptile women flat. Birds too, though that might be a much more controversial statement here
>>734098640I think the combination of sexy dress + casual shoes is funny
>>734098601>Whether it be true pacifist or true genocide, nothing seems capable of denying them from delivering "justice" to those around them.I base this off the fact that no one actually tries to convince him in pacifist, but he abandons his quest in neutral with ease. you could say that he's more charged in the extreme routes, and that's understandable, but the "that look, i'm not going to be able to convince you" line is horse shit because martlet has never known Clover to be like that and it was pulled out because the devs wanted the cast to be there for his decision to kill himself>I think it might not be unfair to describe Clover as having a similar sense of "justice" as Anton Chigurh. They exist to be a vessel of their own ideology.I disagree, I can accept his genocide route version being like that, but he's much more of a thoughtful "person" than a force of nature there. His actions aren't just because of the whole concept of suffering underground, it's tied to all the things he remembers his friends saying underground, which shows in the moment when the screen goes white and the quotes fly around.I typed all of that up before seeing you say agree to disagree. since you didn't lead with that, I'm still going to post this, but I'll accept respectfully that if someone wrote clover the way you are describing in a story, I would accept the interpretation as valid but not final. I'm not going to fight for last word or anything silly like that, but I already typed all this up before I saw that so these are my last thoughts on that part.
>>734098687I like them almost flat, they still should have nipples, but I respect your stance, I think the big boobs just mess too much with the sleek and serpentine frame that anthro snakes should have
>>734098694Now that you say it out loud I want her to wear the outfit in >>734098395 but with light-up sketchers or something just as corny
>>734098459>but if you refuse to love yourself then the love you give others becomes more hollow in what it lacks.Frankly, I'm unsure if my feelings come from a place of self-apathy, or simply because I'm wired differently.There are things I like about myself, so I wouldn't necessarily say I hate myself or anything, but I also feel as though I am fundamentally incompatible with existence on a certain level, so glorious death sounds nice to me.And again, seeing lots of heroic sacrifices in media as a kid probably also didn't help.Lone Wolf is a cool level, what can I say?>The man who stands up just one more time, takes just one more breath because he wants to see his wife's face again.Honestly, if I did live in that world, with Ceroba as my partner, I would probably be willing to bend heaven and earth just to see her again, and to do right by her.I just also have a fantasy where I'm dying, heavily wounded and bleeding out, as she cradles me in her arms while I use my last words to tell her how much I love her, and that she shouldn't feel bad about this.Though I guess she could just heal me with magic in that case, so that probably wouldn't go my way anyway.Hell, I even have fantasies about replacing Clover in UTY and facing Ceroba at the end of pacifist, letting her kill me while telling her that I understand why she's doing what she's doing, just that I wish she wasn't.
>>734098187undertale fan game
>>734098694the issue isn't that she is wearing shoes, just that they feel disproportionally small compared to the rest of her body
>>734098847>because the devs wanted the cast to be there for his decision to kill himselfYeah, fair.I still think my Cowboy Bebop idea would've worked better, but I don't know jack about programming, so in my imagination it remains.>I'm not going to fight for last word or anything silly like that, but I already typed all this up before I saw that so these are my last thoughts on that part.Nah it's cool.Don't worry about making another post after "agree to disagree" coming off as getting the last word in, sometimes there can still be meaningful discussion even after the idea of convincing the other person to your side is thrown out the window.Also, I don't know if you were the guy who initially suggested it, but tell Clover that you're gonna destroy their soul or something if they try and sacrifice themself just feels like a colossal dick move.Like, if I was a kid and I tried to be selfless and someone responded with that kind of hostility, I don't think I'd wanna be around them even if I did stay alive. That's fucked up. That shit stays with you.
>>734098936>but I also feel as though I am fundamentally incompatible with existence on a certain level,you're not alone in this, it happens sometimes, and glorious deaths always sound cool, but don't let it drive you to disembowel yourself for half off ketchup prices. Even if you get the feeling sometimes that the world would be better in a contrived scenario where you sacrificed yourself so that the world benefits and no longer has to have this "incompatible piece", do your best to pay full price for the ketchup instead.being held in a lovers arms, someone who loves you enough to cry uncontrollably over your impending death. As a man these are understandable feelings. It's for the best if she can heal you though and this isn't a cutscene death.
>>734099148>Also, I don't know if you were the guy who initially suggested it, but tell Clover that you're gonna destroy their soul or something if they try and sacrifice themself just feels like a colossal dick move.>Like, if I was a kid and I tried to be selfless and someone responded with that kind of hostility, I don't think I'd wanna be around them even if I did stay alive. That's fucked up. That shit stays with youI'm not but I did say something about saying "I don't know what i"ll do but I'm gonna flip the fuck out if you take that soul out one more time." I can see someone saying something terrible like that if they are actually in a full blown panic over something. You know how people get when that first stage of grief is kicking in, but imagine they are in a position to stop it and have no idea what to do. Imagine to that person it's absolutely unacceptable that this happens, even if it's the right thing, and they are getting desperate. It's definitely not the right thing to say but I'm picturing a monster that's crying, may not even realize they're crying, saying deranged stuff that he realistically doesn't have the iron balls to do, to stop this. I do like the idea that monsters can literally die of depression though, so telling clover that he's literally going to die and turn to dust if he goes through with this is interesting. He's scared for himself, scared for the kid, scared for how losing the kid will make him feel, it's like a human having a heart attack.
>>734098876That would be beautiful
>>734098994Could you be 25% more specific?
>>734099613undertale fangame with the undertale cyan template that got released a while ago
>>734099234>but don't let it drive you to disembowel yourself for half off ketchup prices....Can I please at least die for something cooler than that? Please?>no longer has to have this "incompatible piece"Oh, sorry, let me explain.I don't mean that as in "I am incompatible with the world and therefore it would be better off without me", I mean "I am incompatible with the world and therefore I would be better off without it". Like, putting a freshwater fish in seawater, incompatible.I know that makes no sense, but ever since I was a kid, like a *really* young kid, material existence has always felt indescribably wrong to me.Alright, time to stop talking about that before I get thrown in a padded cell.>being held in a lovers arms, someone who loves you enough to cry uncontrollably over your impending death. As a man these are understandable feelings. It's for the best if she can heal you though and this isn't a cutscene death.Hah...Yeah, you're right. I would remain a prisoner of life, for her, for as long as she'd have me.The temptation would be there, it'd always be there, to die in the dark so the world can live in the light, but with her as my light, I wouldn't be able to bring myself to plunge into the darkness forever.Though if the stakes were ever high enough, and there was no other choice to be made, I would still gladly give myself for her own safety.Waxing poetic aside, it is a really funny mental image for me to have fought some great, last stand, fully expecting to breathe my last in Ceroba's warm embrace, only to hear that healing sound as all my wounds are gone and my armor is squeaky clean in an instant, while Ceroba gives a facial expression that says "I love you and I appreciate that you did all this but oh my god stop that".
>>734099434Hm.I can understand the idea from that angle, but I really don't think that's gonna help things go your way.As someone who was also a highly ideologically charged child, having horrible things said to you by people you love does not make you look forward to spending more of your life with them.I feel like Clover would just feel trapped if things went as you described it.Either a prisoner in the underground, or a soul in a jar.And after hearing something like that, maybe the jar isn't such a bad idea anyway.
>>734099698Undergear anon?
>>734099820>spoilers>and before you pass out from the traumas toll, you can't help but notice the tears in her eyes, the joy she's feeling knowing she can actually patch the things that go wrong with a humanIn truth, I like to imagine that for serious physical injuries , there would still be a recovery time, since all the injuries in undertale are from magical attacks, it doesn't really contradict anything. Thus while she can patch you up to keep you from dying on the spot, it's going to be touch and go for a bit as she has to nurse you back to health.
>>734100104no
>>734099974that's how one particularly ideologically charged child might take it. another may see the panick taking root, having dealt already with several monsters doing strange and terrible things out of desperation and still caring about them at the end of the day.besides, if it IS true that clover dying would cause a monster to die of depression, well I mean "this is a serious issue kid!"
>>734100224Oh
>>734100141>Thus while she can patch you up to keep you from dying on the spot, it's going to be touch and go for a bit as she has to nurse you back to health.Hm, that would be nice.God, for all I speak of agency and denied sacrifices, I cannot deny that having my fatigued, wounded body held in Ceroba's arms while she carries me back to safety to keep me in her care is a fantasy for me on about the same level as the sacrifice itself.The idea of recovering slowly in bed, while she airs her concerns that I could've ended up much worse if she hadn't shown up in time, her feelings of anger at my recklessness mixing with her joy that I'm even alive...If nothing else, I can hold onto those dreams, figuratively and literally.
>>734097986Hence the ultimatum. If he does it, I promise I'll make sure his death was for nothing. He knows his death will now accomplish what he wants because I will make sure it won't.
>>734100497It's an appealing thought, Makes me think of the classic "soldier falls in love with the nurse" but of course, with some key differences.
>>734100248>besides, if it IS true that clover dying would cause a monster to die of depression, well I mean "this is a serious issue kid!"One person's already dying for the greater good, what's one more?Okay, Clover might not see things that way, but I don't see Clover abstaining from giving up their life, a decision they're already making for the good of the many, just because one or a handful of people would be sad about it, that's not gonna change their mind.
>>734100516See (>>734099974)Only thing you're gonna accomplish is making sure that Clover fights like hell to get away from you, or they're gonna grow up miserably surrounded by people who responded with hostility to their act of selflessness.
>>734100630this is pacifist clover here, he went out of his way to not kill anyone. A "pure soul". if his death was going to kill someone, it's a reasonable angle to write him from. I can accept that Clover could be ultra idealistic anyways, but I also think that he could be the kind of idealist that would stop at a solution that would kill others. I can only reconcile him giving his soul towards a war effort itself, being him coming to believe that the good in monsters will win over against the desire for war.
>>734098598i prefer mega snitties full of mega snilk
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>>734100585Yeah, something like that, it'd be nice. Being strong, and being allowed to be weak.Perhaps someday I'll earn the death I seek, torn to shreds, having fought for something bigger than myself.
>>734094059>There's a special feeling seeing people talk about all of the cancelled orange fangame protagonists and no one knows about Val yet.Val is going to climb a stair made from the corpses of all the other orange protagonists, only time will tell if he will reach the top or become another body on the pile
>>734100798>if his death was going to kill someone, it's a reasonable angle to write him from.Perhaps, but I think the various UTY cast members are a bit too well-composed to turn to dust on the spot from Clover giving up their soul.It's not like that one green where they're blowing their own head off to make their sacrifice, it's a clean, bloodless process, not a sudden instance of violence.In any event, I'm pretty sure monsters can't die from sudden sadness, and Clover would have good reason to think that too, having just watched Ceroba's memories of her not doing that after effectively seeing her own child die in front of her.So, pretty sure that wouldn't deter them, no.
>>734100819Mega snitties are a lie
>>734099148>just feels like a colossal dick move.Killing yourself for your friends' sake when none of them want this and it will ruin whatever thing you're trying to give them forever is even more of a colossal dick move. Its like MAD, if you're going to do something that horrible to me then I'm going to do something even worse to you in return. So don't do that unless you want horrible things to happen. Hell, I may not even want to be his friend after that anyways, since as far as I'm concerned he's the untrustworthy one that betrayed me.
>>734101114>Perhaps, but I think the various UTY cast members are a bit too well-composed to turn to dust on the spot from Clover giving up their soul.I don't think Martlet is going to have a good time in the months that follow>having just watched Ceroba's memories of her not doing that after effectively seeing her own child die in front of her.Roba is too stupid to die of sadness. Her brain is smooth, the bad thoughts slide right off and into the alcohol.
>>734101367>Killing yourself for your friends' sake when none of them want this and it will ruin whatever thing you're trying to give them forever is even more of a colossal dick move.It's not just for their sake, it's for everyone's sake.They think about more than just the people immediately around them when they have that whole bit where they're thinking about their journey through the underground.>Hell, I may not even want to be his friend after that anyways, since as far as I'm concerned he's the untrustworthy one that betrayed me.Okay, this is not a serious opinion anyone worth taking seriously would argue from, we're done here.
>>734101394>I don't think Martlet is going to have a good time in the months that followProbably not, but I don't think she'll be inconsolable to the point of disintegrating.>Roba is too stupid to die of sadness.Oh come on now, we were having a relatively serious conversation here, you really had to go and do that?Fuck this.
>>734101534I was making a joke anon, goodness.
>>734101617Yeah, but come on, not even a real response to the point after?That's disappointing.
>>734099820>material existence has always felt indescribably wrong to me.>Alright, time to stop talking about that before I get thrown in a padded cell.Just sounds like Christian theology to me.
>>734101692I mean sure I can give a real response. I just think dumbroba is funny. When we first actually see her in the game, her sprite is a little derpy and she has beers with her. She's in the middle of a downward spiral and we don't have an exact timeframe on when chujin died or when Kanako fell down, but she does seem to be drinking her problems away which makes the bad thoughts dissapear briefly, but kills you in other ways, I say as someone who has been there done that. Even if monsters don't ACTUALLY die from depression, she was working on it the good old fashioned human way of drinking yourself into a hole you know? She also could be barely hanging on in her sober times by telling herself she's going to complete chujins research, giving her just enough hopium to survive until she gets her next drink. I don't think we know exactly how much roba drinks, but daydrinking is usually a good sign, again as someone who's been there, done that around people who have been spiraling even harder than I was. I was making the joke but adding the alcohol thing because that part is sincere, though I just realized I don't have the image I need on hand so I'll post that soon as I find it.
>>734101731>Just sounds like Christian theology to me.Nah, not quite.I don't really agree with the cosmological structure of the Christian theology, and I think an enlightened entity as YHWH is described as being would know better than to set things up like that, there'd have to be a few more intermediaries than most Christian sects are comfortable saying there are.In any event, I was mostly referring to the fact that three-dimensional space, as well as the nature of time, feel inherently "off" to me somehow.It's not an exact comparison, but it's like how in Stellaris, living beings from other universes are sort of incompatible with living in universes aside from their own, so they experience some kind of decay at a sub-atomic level.It's very slow, doesn't seem to hurt, and doesn't really matter to much, but it's still a constant feeling of not being where you're supposed to be.That's kinda what I feel like, just not physically, and it's a contributing factor in me not wanting to be here.
>>734101965here it is, and I think there's more indication that she's "coping" poorly in the game but I'm too busy with other things to start my next playthrough of the game (I do want to play through again soon to pay attention to character speech patterns and all that). but I think it's pretty clear what they are indicating with the roba here, also you get to the wild east a little after morning, she's at the bar drinking in the morning. If anyone is on the way to turning into dust out of despair, I think she's a good candidate, and while she hasn't yet, I don't think we can rule out the possibility that someone drinking in the AM is on a dangerous path.
>>734101965I do get what you're saying here, but that was her after she lost both her husband *and* her child, both from the same thing.Those were people she had spent years with, and who she was expecting to spend the rest of her life with, both torn away from her.I don't think she, or anyone in the main UTY cast, has that kind of connection to Clover.They all care about them, but I don't think any of them have the kind of attachment to them that would cause them to drink themselves to death.
>>734099974>>734100739The thing is, I know that. And I know that if I were in his shoes, I would feel the same way. But I can't bring myself, nor do I want to bring myself to say anything else or to accept his actions. I would die to prevent this action from going how he wants it to go. This sacrifice must not happen, and the monsters must not accept it, at all costs.I don't think what he's doing is selflessness. Its just as selfish as what I'm doing. He's sees how much it hurts me and everyone else, but he's still doing it "for our good" because its the perfect fantasy of *his* ideology. Well if he wants to be a selfish and cruel extremist, then I'll be one back. How's that for justice?
For some reason someone over at reddit started shipping their human OC with cole of all charactershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeKGJpadmcI
>>734102258>Well if he wants to be a selfish and cruel extremist, then I'll be one back. How's that for justice?They are literally giving up their own soul, their own chances of being able to live life, so that potentially hundreds of thousands of people will be able to be free.Your judgement is warped by your own selfish desire for them to live, and not even so you personally can hang around them either.You don't want justice for them, you want control over them, to keep them trapped with you against their will.Unfortunately for you, there are still heroes left in man.
>>734102404The mixels in this are so jarring
>>734102404oyyyyyyy my gooooooooood
>>734101179They are real because I say they are. I will manifest it.
>>734100970I really need to draw Ceroba holding an anon like this at somepoint, god.
>>734101114What if the monster instead promised to kill himself if Clover did?
>>734102180also, and this isn't very reliable since the devs weren't even drinking age when they wrote this. but "hit me" is generally not what you say when asking for your first drink of the night. or well, morning in this instance.>>734102212My argument to that is, Monsters are strange, they form attachments super quick in weird ways and this is even pointed out I think in original UT though I'm sorry I can't remember how it actually words it. Martlet already had her whole thing in her backstory about disagreeing with chujin on humans, and I think watching a child die in front of her after proving that she was right is going to have a big impact on her due to how quickly monsters form said attachments.my normal headcanon, is that after clovers death, Starlo catches Martlet falling into depression and helps drag her out of it, and I know this is complete headcanon, but I think it's extremely fitting, because monsters are also eachothers best defense against falling into that kind of stuff. Starlo fought hard to keep roba from spiraling when chujin first died, and I think that after everything they all went through with clover, he'd do the same for feathers. I'm aware this goes against the idea of them actually turning to dust, but this is all before clover actually kills himself, if one of us was here as an additional monster in the story. Telling Clover that you dying of depression is a very real threat. realistically if you were there too, through thick and thin, which makes you a hamfisted OC in a normal situation but for the sake of discussion here, telling him "I might not survive you doing this" isn't even just a threat like the soul shattering anon. Telling him that could be a genuine concern as you desperately try to think of what to say to get him to not do this.Worst thing is, you're still more scared for him than yourself while telling him that you might die.I mean "you" of course in a general sense and not you necessarily
>>734102404>called Kris a heuh oh...
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>>734102575spanish is their first language so they can hide behind that
>>734102575I made the mistake of talking about deltarune outside of here and got hit by all of the "UM YOU USED THE WRONG PRONOUN crowd, so I just ignored it and went on with my day and nothing happened. The problem is so many people on the internet are incapable of ignoring things like that and just moving on.
>>734102630Not even that anymore they want you to use retarded ass neopronouns
>>734102770It's important to realize when someone reacts like that, you just ignore them and do not engage with that particular person ever again. not even a "oh cool anyways". you just do not acknowledge their existence from that point forward.
>>734101473>It's not just for their sake, it's for everyone's sake.His friends are still part of the subset of everyone. And they are much more important than everyone on account of him actually knowing them and them trusting him. His duty to them far exceeds his duty to random strangers. Their wants and needs come first, regardless of how small a minority they are because of duty. Duty and familiarity always outweigh utility and numbers.>Okay, this is not a serious opinion anyone worth taking seriously would argue from, we're done here.That's an awfully reductive way to view things, dismissing anyone you don't understand as either a liar or an idiot, not worthy of debate, rather than trying to understand why they think the way they do.
>>734102602Oh my god I'd be killed!
>>734102564>I mean "you" of course in a general sense and not you necessarilySlipped that in at the very end, huh? Smart.See, the problem with what you're saying is that UT is a world where people just kind of fundamentally don't think the way we do in our world.That's the nature of a less-grounded world like their, they just don't see things the way we do.Sending a child to fight an armed terrorist in our world would be insane, sending Gohan to fight Cell was fairly standard within the bounds of the world of Dragon Ball, that kind of thing.Monsters do form attachments fairly quickly, but if Ceroba was just passively day-drinking after losing her entire family and being convinced there was no hope for anything to get better, I don't think the other cast members are going to go down that same path from losing someone they knew for all of a day.They'll be sad about it, sure, and we see that in-game, but it's just one of those situations where life goes on.They knew Clover, they liked them, and Clover made a choice on their own terms to leave, and they all just live with that.On a fundamental level, not only do I not think any of the monsters would react by trying to use their own death to prevent Clover's sacrifice, I also don't think they'd end up on the slow path towards it either, that's just not how the people in the world of UT are really shown to behave about that sort of thing.
>>734102841Well, sure but in this case when you're in the Deltarune/Undertale fandom, refusing to interact with those people will severely restrict you to only talking about the game in a few specific paces like here where this behavior isn't widely ostracized
>>734102873>That's an awfully reductive way to view thingsShut the fuck up, you were arguing that Clover's "untrustworthy" and a "traitor" because they wanted to lay down their life for the good of an entire race, you compared it fuckin' MAD for god's sake, because this situation is just oh so similar to total nuclear annihilation.You don't have a valid point to make here, we're done.
>>734103047you say that like its a bad thing
>>734102404I like how they didn't even try with the little girl, and just scaled her down and gave her tiny pixels
I have to say, aside from the usual argument about Clover, I'm somewhat surprised the general consensus on personal agency and self-sacrifice 180'd from last night.About everyone who talked about it last night was super on-board with dying for personal agency if that's what they wanted to do, but now it's the exact reverse.I guess the times and days we have the threads at changes those sorts of things.
>>734102954>On a fundamental level, not only do I not think any of the monsters would react by trying to use their own death to prevent Clover's sacrifice, I also don't think they'd end up on the slow path towards it either, that's just not how the people in the world of UT are really shown to behave about that sort of thing.I am specifying this as the (you) monster who has been added into this situation. It's not you (you) because it's not fair to put someone into this hypothetical who doesn't agree with the hypothetical, but an additional character who is there, because they are the one that brought it up. that was part of an earlier part of the conversation that I am trying to involve in this since it was part of where this all developed from>>734102954>Sending a child to fight an armed terrorist in our world would be insane, sending Gohan to fight Cell was fairly standard within the bounds of the world of Dragon Ball, that kind of thing.It was also fucked up in dragonball, and goku nearly cost everyone their lives over that. It was pointed out how he fucked up both in the manga and the anime. yes alls well that ends well, but it was decisively fucked up. Martlet also has a lot of lines about how she feels about the situation in the neutral and pacifist route with Clover being a kid. So to be fair, it's not a world that's completely divorced from the logic that "this is fucked up". so what i'm working with here is, Martlet has several factors that could lead her into a depression over this, but I don't think she would blurt out that she's going to die of depression, she's the kind of person it would creep up on, until she suddenly hasn't left the house in a week because her own words "get you home in time for A dinner" are running through her head over and over again. post too long
>>734102404I think one of the eyes on that small one is falling off a bit.
>>734103325>we see them at the end of pacifist lets be fair, we can address that some moments in yellow are written poorly right? You may not aggree, but I think that part was 16 year old kids who had been on the internet too much giving their skewed view of how people would react and just bounce back. Martlet's personality shows a lot of self doubt and confidence issues. You can write a story where she doesn't get depressed, sure at the ending of pacifist they just do a life goes on thing, but that's not how it is for everyone, and I think they fucked up the ending there because someone with her personality type can fall into that kind of spiral even if she didn't know them very long, and this is seperate from the fact that monsters still form fast attachements. Hell a cop (which is kind of what martlet is) having a kid that they promised to protect, die is good reasons for her to need to get dragged out of her house by starlo before she gets any worse.
>>734103337That one's 'special'.
>>734103325>It was also fucked up in dragonball, and goku nearly cost everyone their lives over that. It was pointed out how he fucked up both in the manga and the anime.There is a point in the manga where Goku seriously confirms that he didn't have what it took to beat Cell, only Gohan did.Gohan's always been on another level throughout the series, he just usually isn't in a situation where he has to seriously apply his strength, or just doesn't. He whooped Frieza's ass for a while on Namek, when he was in his second form, I think. The one where he got super buff, you know the form.>I am specifying this as the (you) monster who has been added into this situation.Okay, yes, but what I'm saying is that I don't think that's how monsters in the world of UT behave.We see in the various neutral endings to UT that monsters can keep going in dire circumstances as long as someone's keeping their hopes alive, about until their society itself collapses and things descend into chaos, and that's not gonna happen with Clover dying, come on.>>734103474>lets be fair, we can address that some moments in yellow are written poorly right?Perhaps, but it fits like a glove into UT's established tone.UT itself has tons of fridge problems, lots of things that don't line up with how the real world behaves, or how real people work, that's kinda the point.>Hell a cop (which is kind of what martlet is)Oh don't even get me started on that, fucking hell.
>>734102468>Your judgement is warped by your own selfish desire for them to liveIts not selfish, its righteous. He's the one warped by the inhuman concept of out group preference. People have a duty to their friends and family above everything but themselves (and sometimes even above that). Its a betrayal of the highest order to hurt your friends like that. Anyone who accepts freedom at this cost deserves to rot in the dirt forever.Its clear that Clover and I will never be friends again, not after what he's done. So instead this is retribution, if he tries to get his perfect storybook ending where he gets to die and skip out on all the hard parts of life, at his friends expense, with the nice optics of helping a bunch of strangers, then I'll deny that ideological self indulgence to him.
>>734102404Obvious comedy aside, how'd the subreddit take it?I don't know how popular all that KanaClover stuff is over there, but if they're anything like these threads, they probably crucified that guy.
>>734103759pretty much no one replies to these posts besides asking "who", the reddit is mostly kanacole land
>>734102602Its a real question, and skips over your "nuh uh that wouldn't happen" dismissal. That image reads like an intentionally dishonest dismissal as well.
>>734103759The subreddit isn't very active and all the reaction were mostly people asking who that random OC is>they probably crucified that guy.Its a girl actually, the OC might be a self insert
>>734103715>People have a duty to their friends and family above everything but themselves (and sometimes even above that). Its a betrayal of the highest order to hurt your friends like that. Every single one of the people on that balcony tried to hurt or kill them at some point in their journey.Hell, it's how them and Martlet met, with her trying to incapacitate and capture them.Starlo tried to kill them for his own selfish gain and reputation, Ceroba tried to take their soul for her own purposes after deceiving and isolating them, etc.All of Clover's "friends" tried to hurt or kill them for their own selfish purposes before they got to that point.If you're going to argue an eye for an eye, Clover's sacrifice is the retribution you're talking about, not the inciting offense.
>>734103695>There is a point in the manga where Goku seriously confirms that he didn't have what it took to beat Cell, only Gohan did.>Gohan's always been on another level throughout the series, he just usually isn't in a situation where he has to seriously apply his strength, or just doesn't. He whooped Frieza's ass for a while on Namek, when he was in his second form, I think. The one where he got super buff, you know the form.and then he surpasses that and becomes stronger than cell afterwards, and so you could argue that Goku was hamstringing his own training in order to push what he believed to be the solution onwards. Yes Gohan always had the freak strength thing, but just going by what happens afterwards, we know that it's not actually true.I could get into a whole thing about how gokus character assassination started in the android saga and got him approaching things in a way that he never would have, but it drags this off topic a bit. The point being, even if it was the only solution at the time, it was fucked up, and acknowledged as fucked up in universe, both that time and when it happened in the saiyan saga when he was 6 years old (or thereabouts). saying that undertale is a universe like that doesn't match up because that universe itself has multiple instances of trying to drag out and show that it was fucked up, but it never stuck for long because toriyama was the kind of writer who flew by the seat of his pants, so when a plot point wasn't going anywhere he just shifted gears randomly
>>734103870No, it's not.It's a completely contrived scenario you're trying to force for the sake of a bullshit hypothetical that you only want to exist to justify the answer you've already decided is right inside your head, for a discussion that has a whole lot less weight to it than you think it does.There's no good reason any of that would happen, it doesn't make any sense, and you know it doesn't either, but you're so hell bent on having your own opinion affirmed as being the "right" one that none of that matters to you, so you insist upon a ridiculous scenario as if it has any actual validity to it.It's stupid, and I'm not entertaining it.
Are there any good tutorials on making fangames like this? I think I'm ok at spriting but I'm kinda ass at learning code, most times I've tried I've hit some sort of roadblock and gave up. The farthest I ever got was a tech demo using someone else's code as a base.
>>734104201What exactly do you mean by "like this"?AFAIK there isn't a ready to use premade engine to make full fangames, I guess there is Krystal but most pre made things are kinda hard coded and hard to mess with the basics, so most fangames just start over from scratch. Naranja and DRY1 for example are made in Godot, though most people will choose to use game maker like toby did.You could try being more specific and telling what program you use/are good at and what you aim to make.
>>734104201A cyan fangame released a template to make fangames some months ago, you could use that if you want to make a fangame and don't want to worry that much with code
>>734103695>>734104054>We see in the various neutral endings to UT that monsters can keep going in dire circumstances as long as someone's keeping their hopes alive, That has nothing to do with, on an individual level people reacting. in those neutral endings you aren't the great perfect friend of monsters who they literally were willing to charge into the palace over. monsters can form a level of attachement that is the difference between that and not doing that in a matter of hours. the situation is also different, because this is based on Martlets personal weaknesses as a monster. Those are issues that people with self confidence issues like hers struggle with, playing back their failures in their head over and over again. If that failure is a childs death, then I don't see how it's not enough.We also know in the ut phone calls that things are "pretty bad" in some endings. We don't know exactly what that entails, and how many monsters are pulling through that "pretty bad" situation. Sans even says something in one that they are losing hope and think they're just going to die alone in the dark. >Perhaps, but it fits like a glove into UT's established tone.I don't think so because UT itself has theming that shows what happens to children who are left alone and the issues that come into that, as well as the problems that happen when adults don't do what they are supposed to do. it's all across the history of Asgore, Asriel, Toriel, Chara, and the half spoken implications from Asriel about the fallen children as a whole at the end of pacifist. Undertale has a lot to do with children paying the price for the sins of adults.I'm not going to go too much further with this because you know how these arguments can spin for hours and I don't want to ruin the thread for everyone else. I think the argument has been productive so far even though we clearly don't agree.
>>734104054>saying that undertale is a universe like that doesn't match up because that universe itself has multiple instances of trying to drag out and show that it was fucked upYes, DBZ does have lots of moments in it that it explicitly makes clear are fucked up, but overall it's still much less grounded than our own world, which was the point I was making.You know, like how Vegeta can be seen in public by normal people and be considered a decent person, as opposed to a fucking monster who's slaughtered potentially millions or billions of people in the past and tried to do the same on earth, stuff like that.Like, if you really wanna get into it, Vegeta's pretty objectively worse than Hitler, but the show doesn't really treat him like that, does it?That's because the show isn't so grounded that it feels the *need* to treat things like that with that level of seriousness, and that's the same sort of level UT, and by extension UTY, operates on.
>>734103067You really need to be less emotional in debates, anon. You would see that I have a point (not one that you have to agree with mind you) if you actually tried to understand it, rather than choosing to see it as absurd nonsense. >ecause this situation is just oh so similar to total nuclear annihilationThe nuclear ahnihilation isn't what matters here, its the ultimatum of "i'll do something we both absolutely do not want and can't take back if you do that" which it is almost identical to.>ou were arguing that Clover's "untrustworthy" and a "traitor" because they wanted to lay down their life for the good of an entire raceBecause he's hurting me, severely, with his actions. As my close friend, he owes it to me to keep my interests at heart, just as I do to him. And going against this is a betrayal, a very severe one with this action. Those you are close to should always come before nebulous concepts like "an entire race""An entire race" isn't real, you can't know them, can't form loyalties to them, can't have duties to them, and you shouldn't. The people of the race are real, but he's not doing this for the people, the people he knows don't want him to do this, are desperately trying to stop him from doing this, because it would hurt them.My point here is about loyalty to your loved ones trumping the needs of those who are not.
>>734093031I played undertale for the first time in 2016 and I couldn't sit at it for more than 15 minutes. It was this bad. I decided to try it again last month and it was even worse than I remembered. Complete and utter garbage. It is the only game I own that I genuinely regret buying.
>>734104337>in those neutral endings you aren't the great perfect friend of monsters who they literally were willing to charge into the palace over.No, but Asgore was.And in the various neutral endings, we hear that morale gets pretty low after his death, but the people of the underground can keep moving forward in spite of that as long as someone's around to keep their heads up.That's what the UTY cast has after Clover's gone, they have each other to keep their heads up.>I think the argument has been productive so far even though we clearly don't agree.Yeah, we were pretty civil about this, largely.I still think whipping out that joke about Ceroba's state in UTY was a bit of an uncalled-for jab at that point, but whatever.
>>734103284I still stand by what I said last night. Putting myself in Clover's shoes, I absolutely could see myself dying to maintain my agency. But putting myself in the unnamed monster friend's, I would view absolutely threaten insane and unhinged things because of how much the idea of him killing himself for the monster race upsets me.You have to understand that people's positions on things vary greatly depending on circumstance. There are no ideologies that have consistent stances on everything
>>734104337is that fucking dalv as flowey
>>734104589alphys will just turn anything into a flower anymore man
>>734104313I mashed two thoughts together sorry. Meant to ask how to make undertale type games/rpgs(?) in general. I'd be using godot probably, I've heard Gamemaker is a pain.I was using something called soldier undertale engine for godot but the creator of that apparently died/faked his death? IDK but either way that had some bugs I couldn't fix.I have 2 seperate ideas, one a rougelite probably closer to deltarune and another that's like "what if" scenario for UTY.
>>734104316https://gamejolt.com/p/blue-heart-undertale-cyan-s-engine-release-blue-heart-yrnf7vajthis one by the way
>>734104201>I think I'm ok at spriting but I'm kinda ass at learning codethe eternal struggleshit would be so easy if it wasn't for the bullet battle system
>>734104554>I still think whipping out that joke about Ceroba's state in UTY was a bit of an uncalled-for jab at that point, but whatever.It wasn't intended as a jab. I was just trying to be jovial about the beloved dumbroba. I love the dumb fox and I love the dumb bird and I love the other dumb fox and the other one too and I love the- >>734104392>You know, like how Vegeta can be seen in public by normal people and be considered a decent person, as opposed to a fucking monster who's slaughtered potentially millions or billions of people in the past and tried to do the same on earth, stuff like that.I will add to this though, It's because Toriyama wrote it in almost all circumstances as no one knowing who vegeta was. Even when everyone should have known after this buu saga stunt, Toriyama just handwaved stuff like that away. He had his strengths, massive strengths as an artist, but he was definitely in the camp of "if I don't like It I pretend it doesn't exist"
>>734103962Anon, that's how friendship works in Undertale. You fight to the death, manage to resolve the fight peacefully, and become lifelong ride of die friends. I don't know whether its an artifact of the setting or of monsters, but that's how it works.
>>734104417>You really need to be less emotional in debates, anon.I'm not being emotional, I'm calling you and your idea stupid. I can call something stupid without having a massive personal stake in it, and that's what I'm doing right now.You're bringing a bunch of edgy "I'll kill myself if you don't do what I want" shit to what was otherwise a fairly interesting discussion, and that's stupid, and it's not an idea I have to entertain.>As my close friend, he owes it to me to keep my interests at heart, just as I do to him.To an extent, I agree, but there exists a line where operating on this ideology is nothing more than self-serving and narcissistic. I would put myself in harm's way for my best friend, but I wouldn't let a million people die for him. Doing so would be nothing more than blind selfishness.>Those you are close to should always come before nebulous concepts like "an entire race"That's a pretty generous way to refer to a bunch of people who all tried their damnedest to hurt or kill them literally earlier that day, but you already ignored the reply I made talking about that at length, so maybe we can just ignore that massive, crippling hole in your argument.>the people he knows don't want him to do this, are desperately trying to stop him from doing this, because it would hurt them.That's not exactly how I would describe them standing around and relenting after just a few seconds, but you already seem keen on ignoring common sense and reason, so sure, why not.Your argument is built on nothing other than your own selfish ideology that would see the deaths of millions before the inconvenience of a few, and the fact that you are apparently 14 years old and think guilting someone with suicide is a good way to get what you want.You don't have a valid argument to make, and I'm going to stop responding as if you do.
>>734104145No, I'd like to hear what you have to say. If you think pacifist Clover would be willing to risk that monster killing himself then just say so and that'll be that. Or if you think he wouldn't then just say that.
>>734104930Lmao that's when I gave up.
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>>734104752If you want to do something more than the basics the engine offers you will need to learn how to program your own thingsBut if you don't want to start over, try using the cyan engine since it is the closest to something until undercreator gets off the ground >>734104865
>>734105010What would pacifist Clover do if the world was made of pudding?This is a very serious question that I demand you take very seriously or I will very seriously kill myself.
>>734104930>>734105051That's why the first thing I coded for my fangame was the battle system.
>>734104945it's just part of monster culture, that's why they exchange bullets as greetings
>>734105051Really, if this was *only* an RPG *or* a shmup/bullet hell it would be considerably easier, but both at the same time makes this drag on
>>734105151this whole time we thought monsters magic didn't hurt eachother and they didn't know they were hurting humans. the reality was that they were actually kicking eachothers asses back and forth and the death rate was staggering before frisk slapped some determined sense into them.
>>734104587>Putting myself in Clover's shoes, I absolutely could see myself dying to maintain my agency.Yes, thank you.>But putting myself in the unnamed monster friend's, I would view absolutely threaten insane and unhinged things because of how much the idea of him killing himself for the monster race upsets me.Still disappointing.>There are no ideologies that have consistent stances on everythingNah, I think anti-natalists have a pretty consistent ideology.I don't think I agree with them, Ironic, being me, but "existence sucks so no one should ever be born again" is a pretty consistent ideology, I don't see much that anti-natalists would have trouble arguing against from their own perspective.
>>734104945My point is that that other idiot has no right to argue that he's in the right to threaten to kill himself or smash Clover's soul on the grounds of Clover's sacrifice "hurting them" given that literally all of their friends tried to hurt or kill them entirely unprovoked literally that same day.
>>734104975>You're bringing a bunch of edgy "I'll kill myself if you don't do what I want" shit to what was otherwise a fairly interesting discussion, There you are dismissing it on its face again, rather than actually thinking about it. If Clover is sacrificing himself to end suffering, then introducing suffering in response to his sacrifice, even if its your own, would complicate things. I think that's worth exploring.>I would put myself in harm's way for my best friend, but I wouldn't let a million people die for him. Doing so would be nothing more than blind selfishness.Why? What reason do you have to serve them? What makes their lives more valuable than his?>but you already ignored the reply I made talking about that at lengthThis is a fast thread and it takes a long time to find and reply to things. I did post a reply.>Your argument is built on nothing other than your own selfish ideology that would see the deaths of millions before the inconvenience of a fewI can throw around ad hominems too. I could call your ideology suicidal, evil, and inherently disloyal. I so far have chosen not to do that.> the inconvenience Its more than a minor inconvenience. That's a horrible thing to do to someone.
>>734105238I really should have left in that "without being insane and evil" caveat that I cut off.
I saw a fanfic once that had Mettaton using Napstablook as the person that handles all of the behind the scenes costuming, dressing, hair styling, whatever you call all that. But I was realizing now that there's no actual precedent for that. Even if he got involved with Mettaton more on the surface I don't see any reason he'd be involved in that. Would he even be leaving his house more once they got the surface?
>>734105334Thats me, anonand fair enough. We've gotten pretty far away from the actual events of UTY, or at least I have. At this point I'm basically just discussing a hypothetical scenario while playing the role of a character in it, to explore the ideas and philosophies present. I intentionally exaggerated my position to a level that would work better for fiction, since that's what I'm most interested in using this discussion for. Irl I don't think I'd get past empty threats if I even got that far. Think of my words here as a UT character who's as extreme about my views of duty and loyalty as Clover is about justice (this being the kid who kills either the entire underground or himself over it)
>>734105709>spooky djOk that clears that up. I acutally saw several fics using him as a stylist and maybe that just became an odd head canon some people ran with for a bit.
>>734105479>If Clover is sacrificing himself to end suffering, then introducing suffering in response to his sacrifice, even if its your own, would complicate things. I think that's worth exploring.It's a stupid scenario because none of the monsters would do that, and holding a gun to your head to get Clover to stand down is ridiculous and makes no sense in the setting.>Why? What reason do you have to serve them? What makes their lives more valuable than his?It's not "serving" them you idiot. A million people. Fathers, mothers, children, friends, lovers, a million people all with their own hopes, dreams, and lives. I have no right to eradicate a million lives in favor of any lone man, even if that man is my best friend. You know what, I'll send this to my friend, see what he's got to say on it, I'll report back on what he says, for laughs.>I could call your ideology suicidal, evil, and inherently disloyal. I so far have chosen not to do that.You are literally making an argument centered around the idea of using your own suicide to manipulate someone else into doing what you want. Your ideology is literally built on suicide and selfishness. That's not Ad Hominem, that's a basic description of the argument you've been making thus far.You do not have a valid point to make here, instead insisting that this child offering up their soul in an extremely specific circumstance is actually evil and selfish and hurting their friends for nothing, as they singlehandedly help put an entire race, including their friends, which you seem to have forgotten about, closer towards freedom.Your argument is nothing but edgy 14 year old suicide guilt tripping stacked on top of a blindly self-serving ideology that would rather see millions of people dead and buried before the death of a single person you like.We are done here.
>>734105083ractey the raxter
>>734105096Has the world always been made of pudding or is this a recent change?If its recent, I couldn't even hazard a guess because of how much that fundamentally uproots the premise.If its not, then the same thing he did in UTY because pudding world would be normal for him and presumably all the facets of pudding UTY would be modified in ways to fit with pudding world while telling largely the same story.
>>734106056The Floweyfication spreads...
>>734106056I'm dying here, it's spreading.
>>734105151>>734105208No, they're like stand users. The luntatic who kidnapped you and was systematically removing your organs one by one to turn into life extending christmas ornaments two days ago is now your best friend because you kicked his ass and spared him.
>>734106131everyone turns into flowers in chapter 5my uncle works at tobysoft
>>734106207he also had MOTIVATIONS THAT MOVED YOUR HEART probably. Or was sentient plankton.
>>734105973Okay, I went and asked my friend and he answered how I thought he would.So, I think my point stands on that front.
>>734106056This one's going on the fridge
>>734106334nta, and I have since stopped following this argument. however FUCK a million people they can all go rot. So long as I'm not being plastered on a billboard for the choice (because that would lead obviously to a coerced situation where the person I'm saving gets killed in revenge anyways) them million can fuck right off. I'm not even going to ask the person I'm saving first. I'm lining up the shot and taking it before the sentence is over.
>>734106489Then you just suck.That's all there really is to it, if you would save a single man over a million people with their own full lives, you just suck.
>>734106334>>734105973Honestly, stepping back a bit and not having a ningen moment with Clover as an imaginary monster character. I probably wouldn't kill a million people for my friends either. I don't think I could kill my friend for a million people though. I guess the cartoon villain who made the death contraption would have to pick. Now if I were in a situation similar to UTY's and had to answer as myself. I'd probably go on the side that favors inaction. The monsters in the Underground will live, and Clover would live. Even if neither are truly happy, they're still alive and could have the potential to become happy with what they have. As opposed to Clover dying making him dead and all of his friends miserable. I wouldn't do anything if he did kill himself, but I would beg him not to, and would hold a grudge against the rest of the cast for letting it happen.
>>734105846>Think of my words here as a UT character who's as extreme about my views of duty and loyalty as Clover is about justice (this being the kid who kills either the entire underground or himself over it)The character you present is exactly as evil and selfish as you accused Clover of being. Willing to inflict needless harm upon their own self out of petty revenge specifically to manipulate someone into doing what you want against their own will.The picture you have painted is of a disgusting wretch of a man, all too worthy of the title "monster", who values their own emotions over the well-being of millions of others.
>>734106224>>734106056The yellow flower isn't a Justice soul stand in, but a Racter stand in.
>>734106602I will not pretend moral superiority. If you put the button in my hands and tell me that either my brother dies or a billion die. My choice is made before you told me who else is at stake. Before you tell me WHO the billion are, or where they come form, i have already rolled the dice.
>>734106489You're a better man than I. All I could manage is inaction.>>734106602This is a fundamental difference of world views, anon. What you see as selfish and insane, we see as the only option that isn't insane. And likewise, what you see as logical and reasonable, we see and inhuman and evil. At least a lot of it. Its like two people looking at something and seeing different colors, there's really nothing that can be done except to acknowledge that their fundamental perceptions are different.
>>734106749>BillionIf you kill a billion people there is an high chance one of those people will be you or one of your loved ones
>>734106681>Now if I were in a situation similar to UTY's and had to answer as myself. I'd probably go on the side that favors inaction. The monsters in the Underground will live, and Clover would live. Even if neither are truly happy, they're still alive and could have the potential to become happy with what they have.Clover would have to live in constant hiding and fear from the royal guard eventually tracking them down, and again, based on Clover's own characterization as well as what the devs have stated, Clover isn't the kind of person who could ever really be happy knowing that people are suffering, and that they have the power to change that, but aren't.Regardless of what kind of life they could potentially have in the underground, they simply wouldn't be happy knowing that they have the power to right a great injustice, and simply aren't doing so.And again, having to potentially spend the rest of their life in hiding isn't all that great.Sure, some monsters are cool with them, but the royal guard's out for blood no matter what, Clover just ran into one that wasn't that committed to her job or people.Either quick death, or a prolonged life of fear and suffering, hiding away so the guard doesn't find them.Great life you're offering.
>>734106903>This is a fundamental difference of world views, anon. What you see as selfish and insane, we see as the only option that isn't insane.Killing a million people for the sake of one man is insane, that's all there is to it.I don't care if the man in question is Jesus Christ himself, if a million people will die if he doesn't, he's getting the axe.
>>734106932which is why I specified brother that time. I would press the button. I'm not arguing ethics with you by saying this. This is one of my human failings, but I would do it. if it's any consolation, this will never happen and because of this I generally do right by people in actual realistic situations that do happen day to day.
>>734093254Undertale Yellow fags are a part of third world schizos obessed making softcore furry porn. The threads are nothing but how much they want to fuck their OC donut steel characters.
>>734107184still having that conversation with yourself? you'll get em one day champ.
>>734106724>who values their own emotions over the well-being of millions of others.At the end of the day its only the emotions of the other monsters he's competing against. The monster can live lives in the underground, just shitty ones. And I do stand by my rejection of utilitarian ethics. He has just as much right to happiness as the entire underground, and it can't take things at his expense. But I will agree he is being unreasonable and insane.For what its worth, I think this character would respect Clover's choice if it were done because he couldn't abide living in the underground, rather than for the benefit of strangers. And I wouldn't call it petty revenge, its a combination of his views on justice as a system of retribution with his views on loyalty, his principled adherence to both, and his unhinged mental state. I think he would even respect Clover for doing actual harm to him in the name of the humans, provided they weren't friends.
>>734107184healthier than the DR threads desu
>>734107362Furry isn't healthy, anon.
>>734107430I'm doing quite fine today actually. How about you?
>>734107470Not living in Brazil, thank you.
>>734107508Nice, me neither. Alright, back to video game discussion.
>>734107318>The monster can live lives in the underground, just shitty ones.Lives constantly imperiled by the threat of a human invader coming along and massacring all the capable leaders in the underground.>He has just as much right to happiness as the entire underground, and it can't take things at his expense. But I will agree he is being unreasonable and insane.They indeed have that right, but you, or the monster you were envisioning yourself as, has *no* right to deny them their own agency when made with the interests of the people in mind.Making a change is a choice one often has to make by themself, even at a detriment to themself, and no one has any right to demand that they settle for a broken status quo.Dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.>the rest of thatYeah, you're crazy.You're like the model citizen in Culpa Innata.No wonder that society collapsed.Yeah, okay, I have a pretty good grasp of what goes on inside your head, and I'm seeing a lot of Gadsdens around, I think it's pretty clear basic reasoning is pointless here.
Not that I want to start any arguments but didn't this retard get caught using something to samefag and they had the language set to porteguese like three months ago?
Let's talk about something else, because the current dominating topic is fucking retarded.You ever listen to Huey Lewis and the News?
>>734107056And I think a person so eagerly murdering his closest loved one for a million strangers is insane. Humans aren't colony insects, they're pack animals, evolved on a genetic level to function in small close knit groups. They're meant to value their friends and family over outside groups. You say you're not getting emotional, but you really are. It may sound insane to you, but to me it just seems like the obvious conclusion given the facts of our biology. I may be wrong and you can feel free to call me such, but calling me insane over it is just reductive. It hurts everyone in the discussion, yourself included.To be clear here, my official stance on kill one million people versus kill someone really close to me is "I don't know" because I genuinely can't decide what the right choice would be (feel free to hate me for that, but just hate me for what I actually believe). I know I wouldn't fault someone for killing me if I were part of that 1 million but I would feel betrayed if I were the one.
>>734107791>Not that I want to start any arguments but didn't this retard get caught using something to samefag and they had the language set to porteguese like three months ago?Which guy, these kinds of arguments happen all the time.
>>734107703>I think it's pretty clear basic reasoning is pointless here.so dramatic, are we done with calling each other evil over what we would do in hypothetical impossible fantasy situations now?Your average actual human being tries to do right more than wrong by their immediate community, and doesn't have >>734107791we get into autism fits all the time. Or are you talking about the person constantly coming in calling the thread a general and crying about yellow itself.
>>734107843The guy sperging out about "yellowfags".
>>734107804I am glad to leave this topic behind. I'm not familiar with that though. How does it relate to fangames?
>>734107919oh, it's possible. No one hates the third world as much as a crazy person living there I guess. I cherish the anons we have across the globe working on various things. yes, even (you)!
>>734107816>And I think a person so eagerly murdering his closest loved one for a million strangers is insane.Who said it'd be eager?I don't wanna kill my best friend, he's been with me since we were kids, over a decade now, and he certainly doesn't deserve to die.But do a million people deserve death, just because I happen to like this one guy in particular? Do they not also have their own friends, their own lives that matter to them?One man is one man, no matter who that man is.A million people however, that's more.Numerically, obviously, but in terms of impact on the world, the people around them, it's more.
>>734107931I was making an American Psycho reference, don't worry about it.I dunno, wanna talk about weird freaky shit?Got some good mileage out of the "bird feet" discussion in the /vrpg/ a while back, maybe we can glean new insights into paws/talons/whatever.
>>734093254>>734093459based brahmin poster exposing this dalitslop
>>734108016I'm going to engage with you real quick differently from that anon. I understand the logic of what you are saying, but it is still a very human thing to throw away the many for the ones that matter to you personally. It's cooked into our very biology. I do not think someone is evil for responding in a specific way to circumstances that are far beyond what our evolution ever took into account. I don't think Clover is evil for the suicide thing, like he said, he's a kid first of all and a kid making a decision in a situation that is also far above what he should actually have to be in. The only true evil in this situation are the forces that led this situation into being, The human that sacrifices the one for the million, and the human that sacrifice the million for the one, are both going to be living in agony because either decision goes against half of our psyche as it evolved. One part of us are rutheless decision making machines that find the best path to a solution, the other half of that psyche only survived this long because it had its fellow unga bungas to rely on and must do what is needed to protect those important to the self.either decision betrays part of who we are as a human being. It is much more important to measure our actions in realistic situations, the little ways we are selfish or giving, because that is what we evolved to be in different amounts. This is why it is important to kill the person who is putting everyone on those trolleys unless THAT person is your brother, then we've just caused another trolley problem
You know, if that one anon who got branded with the "bird feet" sticker is still around, there are probably other (relatively) non-freaky ways you could startle Zenith Martlet after she offered you her talons.If the play-bite wouldn't do much, you could always surprise her by just tickling her or something, that might catch her off guard.
>>734107703>Lives constantly imperiled by the threat of a human invader coming along and massacring all the capable leaders in the underground.Something Clover could help with if he didn't kill himself. Humans are much more likely to kill all the monster they encounter if said monsters are hostile to them, and if there's no one strong enough to oppose them.>has *no* right to deny them their own agency when made with the interests of the people in mind.He's not denying Clover's agency, just expressing his own. If Clover's free to kill himself then so is he. Its just a question of whether or not Clover and he are willing to make those trades. >Making a change is a choice one often has to make by themself, even at a detriment to themself, and no one has any right to demand that they settle for a broken status quo.When the change involves said person, I think they do have a say. Clover is wanting to free all monsters with his own life, so I think as one of the monsters being freed by human blood, that monster has a right to speak his mind on it.>Dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.The monsters aren't slaves. They can do whatever they want inside the Underground, and Clover has the chance to get freedom in the undeground, he's strong and very capable, but he chooses the easy way out instead.Again, I personally Irl, can accept that. His situation is tough, but Mr Monster here doesn't want Clover hurting him like that then throwing his blood on his hands and calling it a gift. (That's how he would view it)>You're like the model citizen in Culpa Innata.Culpa Innata is a poorly written strawman of a different ideology. It doesn't even represent what it's trying to criticize properly. They try to critique objectivism, but do so like a dishonest poltical cartoon. And what I'm talking about here isn't objectivism, nor is it wholly atomized like Culpa Innata. (character limit)
>>734108371I exist>If the play-bite wouldn't do much, you could always surprise her by just tickling her or something, that might catch her off guard.ok I can work with this. The reaction your lover has to something you do is a very key element for me.
>>734108104I'm thinking of stories and scenarios myself. if I wasn't already writing, I'd be quite taken up with some of the silly roba stuff earlier in the thread.
How do you feel about monsters with extremely mundane names.
>>734108328>This is why it is important to kill the person who is putting everyone on those trolleysI couldn't agree more. I actually once suggested letting Asgore have the souls so he could use his god-like power to create a new world where the war never happened at all, thus removing the need for the human souls to be harvested, and ending the problem at the source, then allowing him to return the souls back to their owners, but some people still found issue with that somehow.Can never fucking win here.
>>734108495UT already has Bob.
>>734107703>>734108383(cont) I do believe in putting yourself behind others. Just only specific others in specific circumstance. Its about duty, loyalty, and attachment. You help those who help you, attach to those who are attached to you. Strangers come second, always. You should take their needs into account, but only after you have taken your friends and family into account. Children should still obey their parents, friends should help each other when needed. Its a hierarchy of duties with complete strangers at the bottom, and things like numbers aren't much of a factor. They do matter, which is why I hesitate to make a choice in that Dark Knight Joker bomb ultimatum from earlier. I think both answers are insane and I don't think there is a right answer. You either you betray a duty that should come before everything else in your life, or you kill a million innocent people for one person.
>>734108418>The reaction your lover has to something you do is a very key element for me.Yeah, that's a big part of it for me too.I can just imagine Zenith thinking you're about to worship her talons, or massage them, only for you to suddenly hold on as tight as possible and start scratching her soles as she bursts into laughter.Hope she knows her own strength though, otherwise she'll probably do a number on you as she tries to get you off.
Also these walls of barely related philosophy babble with entirely too much assurance that there's totally tons of participants are fishy as fuck.How do I platform good in naranja?
>>734108513I remember having issue because magically forcing a world to be right, removes some sense of who someone was due to all of their hardships and struggles and if you bring them over to the new world then you taint the new world with oldworldness. And you can just handwave it away by saying that you can just make it so that isn't the case but it just feels cheap at that point. |If it works it works, but I tend to assume that the 7 souls level of "god" is not quite Abrahamic omnipotence and instead highly powerful molder of reality. A level of power that is not explained, and may be able to just "do things" because you want them to, but there's still limits "somewhere out there". Otherwise it really does make asgore evil for not just getting the 7 souls and making everything perfect. Then again maybe Asgore was just stupid and didn't know how strong a god could be.
>>734108662That's funny, this is the one time I'd actually say "there are probably less people in this conversation than you're expecting". anyways you have to get used to the size of vals running sprite compared to other platformers, then once it clicks it's just like mega man X. It was no where near as difficult as I was expecting based on other anons experiences.
>>734108576>Children should still obey their parents, friends should help each other when needed.Yes, but within reason. Children should obey their parents as long as their parents want what's best for them and actually know what they're doing, they shouldn't just have blind loyalty to their parents no matter what.Same thing with friends, within reason.>Strangers come second, always.Existence doesn't center around you, or me, or any individual. The world is made up of many experiences, and it is that greater whole that matters most, more than any one person.
>>734108726the initial releases were super slippery and using the slide required too many inputs
>>734108845ah maybe that's it then, I didn't have time to play until one of the more recent releases.
>>734108668>it just feels cheap at that pointThat's kinda the problem with godhood, it is cheap. Being able to handwave away any problem is a very cheap thing, but that what godhood is.In the end, it is perhaps the best solution for everyone. Undo the wrongs of the past to prevent the wrongs of a future that will now never be.
>>734108845How do you check what version you have?
>>734108923if you downloaded from the links posted recently it is the latest one, if you got it from the mtt link then that one is outdated
>>734108662>Also these walls of barely related philosophy babble with entirely too much assurance that there's totally tons of participants are fishy as fuck.Do you just accuse every major argument of being fake?What's the rest of this site like for you, a population of five people and a ghjkillion bots making up all the discussion?
>>734108016>Do they not also have their own friends, their own lives that matter to them?They do, and the key word here is *to them*. Its their duty to look out for their friends and family, just like its your duty to look out for yours. This is how two soldiers fighting and killing each other in a war can be morally righteous people. Or why a lion isn't evil for eating a gazelle. Sure the gazelle wants to live, but the lion wants to live too, and only one of them is going to get to. So both are right in serving their own interests. You expand this out to friends and family and you get the basis for communities and nations. The further away from you, the less important it is in your list of duties.How much that million matters to you and how much that one matters to you depend on its composition. Sure they may be more in quantity, but not in importance. When its us vs them, us wins.That said, considering as both you and your friend are okay with him dying, I think that would absolve you of your duties to him, and would allow you to fulfill the lesser duty to those countrymen, or fellow humans in that million.
>>734108921that's the problem with some levels of godhood. Godhood had powerscaling before powerscaling was a phrase.
>>734108996>Ye olde powerscalers in 30 AD debating whether or not YHWH could defeat the entire Roman pantheon
>>734108978nta but when I see these long af arguments I always think they are AI nowadays, almost no one goes on long back and forth stuff like this for this long amount of time
>>734109037you would be able to tell it's ai because ai forces that EM dash every other sentence, even if you instruct it to take it out, and it would take longer between posts to curate it for each and every one of those if we were doing that. this is just classical 4chan autism like we had for years.
>>734108513The problem is that Asgore is a dumbass. Even the game acknowledges that there was another option in the form of what Asriel did, but Asgore simply didn't think of it because he was too caught up in his despair.
>>734108662This kind of stuff is great for my writing. I've already gotten a whole premise for a story and two character arcs out of it. And previous ones have helped tremendously with the writing for my game.
>>734108495I named this guy Bill.
>>734109189Oh god.Hope you at least depict the arguments well, last time something like this happened my argument got reduced to a retarded strawman in one of that drawfag's images.
>>734109243>>734108547Perfect
>>734109028YHWH is insufferable in Death Battle
>>734109129EM dash?
>>734108978>Do you accuse every major argument of being fake?First off what the fuck kind of english is that "major argument" it'd be a "discussion" you biscuithead.Second off>What's the rest of this site like for you, a population of five people and bots making up discussionHave you read some of the other threads on this board?How none of the posters can really "discuss" the games they're posting about aside from some extremely limited perspective that is planned out in advance or only shit that can be scraped from elsewhere, and you can see it going on daily for months?You'd be an idiot to assume anywhere online isn't profusely botted, that doesn't mean you can't talk about games from time to time with an actual person now and again.
>>734108839>Existence doesn't center around you, or me, or any individual.It doesn't center around anything, at least not anything corporeal or made up of smaller parts. Existence is relative, and so is everything in it. All I will ever have is *MY* existence, which I am the center of.> and it is that greater whole that matters most, more than any one person.I disagree. The greater whole only exists as an object in your perception, rather than as the center of it from it projects. Really the greater whole matters the least because its not the center of anyone's universe.I do agree with that first part though, there are exceptions to everything. I'll admit I've been committing a cardinal sin in this thread and getting dogmatic and axiomatic, which even I view as stupid and reductive.
>>734109407>First off what the fuck kind of english is that "major argument" it'd be a "discussion" you biscuithead.>"major argument" is an alien termOkay buddy, you might just be illiterate.
>>734105083Ce-Rose-a
>>734109378EM dash (—)EN dash (–)keyboard(-) each have their own literary uses, but a lot of the stuff ai got trained on uses that EM dash a lot, and so even if you instruct ai to not use it, it will go back to using it almost immediately. I avoid using the EM because it's the quickest way of getting accused of using AI. now that I have told you about this, you will probably start noticing it. Like I said, it has actual literary uses, but more people know about it from AI than from normal writing at this point it feels like.
>>734108418Huh, now I kinda wanna see how Martlet, Zenith, and Ceroba would each react to something like this, that sounds cute.
God, I could have been drawing today.Every single time this happens, it offsets everything by a day.
>>734109454In the context you're using it, yes.A major argument is an overall point you're trying to make.It has nothing to do with the scale of it and even then we're on 4chan so an actual correct or common way to refer to it would be autistic shitflinging.Referring to it as a "major argument" just isn't how someone would refer to a gaggle of faggles taking a diarrhea dump on a thread.
>>734109279well I do have a literal strawman as a character, so you may have just given me an idea for some lines of his but gags aside, no its mainly a tool that lets me sharpen my own knives. Weeds out the stupid ideas, forces me to refine the good ones. Its like if Mastersword got to listen to all the /v/ criticisms of his game while he was still developing it. It even helps me to learn about other people's worldviews, which I don't like to strawman. I generally want all sides to be right in my conflicts, from a certain point of view.In the case of this thread. I'm depicting my position as the unhinged lunatic character. That being a scene where a character that has healing powers is going to sacrifice their life for the sake of another. So that other slits his own wrists and tells person A that the only way he's surviving is if she survives to heal him. Its absolutely insane, but I think it would make a good scene and gives character B some much needed characterization, adds tension, and introduces a fun twist to a tired trope.
>>734108639that's cute to think of, and I can't help but think of her feeling bad after she accidentally kicks you in the face.>>734109542A lot of what drives me to the depths I DO go to, is the ladies reaction. Thus my first reaction as a non foot fetishist when asked "what do with foot or talon" was "how do I get a reaction out of her".
>>734109626>Referring to it as a "major argument" just isn't how someone would refer to a gaggle of faggles taking a diarrhea dump on a thread.>gaggle of fagglesAlright, that got a chuckle out of me, good one.Anyway, my usage of the term "major argument" was not in reference to the discussion present in today's thread specifically, so much as it was in reference to the more general phenomena of multi-hour long debates and heated conversations occurring in the threads, such as the 10+ hour long argument that happened in one of the /vrpg/s a little over a month ago about redemption.Generally speaking, I would collectively refer to this sort of thing, and the other discussions that have happened since that particular incident, as "major arguments".
>>734109028That was a real thing. I remember some Roman governor who styled himself as a poet writing about how Heracles would have kicked Jesus's ass. And just like modern powerscaling, the thematic point communicated by both figures sailed right over his head.
>>734109609I took reqs earlier, but couldn't resist the siren call of the flamewar. So I guess I'll have to post the completed reqs later.
>>734109661>that's cute to think of, and I can't help but think of her feeling bad after she accidentally kicks you in the face.Worth it.>Thus my first reaction as a non foot fetishist when asked "what do with foot or talon" was "how do I get a reaction out of her".As someone with the fetish, that's actually also a major element of it, at least for me, but that may be because I'm also into some other things alongside that.Generally speaking, when it comes to sex stuff of any kind, my priority is on how the other person feels and responds to what's happening.Kinda want to draw something based on these ideas, but it's been quite a while since I've drawn anything of that nature.
>>734109869Oh, of course it was you.This really isn't terribly productive you know.I could've been drawing Zaer having his cock milked, you could've been drawing, whatever it was you ought to have been drawing, we both lost something today, didn't we.
>>734109750That's fine if you want to refer to it wrong, there aren't any rules saying you can't type like a fag and have your shit all retarded, and posting giant walls of shit drowing out any sort of discussion is still not how people actually talking postIt is a staple of fags desperately trying to make it impossible for people to discuss a topic they don't want spoken about.And that goes back even before people could have LLMs shit out fat blocks of text that have a passing resemblance to something that isn't spam.
>>734109982>It is a staple of fags desperately trying to make it impossible for people to discuss a topic they don't want spoken about.that's just not true. we've seen countless times over the years how shitposters actually interact with threads and this just isn't it. We've seen better examples of how people shitpost IN THIS THREAD. Arguments like this have taken place for as long as 4chan has been a thing because this is just what happens when opinionated autists get on a topic. Hell this is how it was on forums, this is how it was on fucking BBS. What conversation got buried that you want to discuss? I'm sure someone would love to chat about it instead of engage in a flame war.
>>734109982It greatly saddens me to witness such unprovoked accusations of usage of electronic sentience over what is quite clearly a passionate discussion of ideology, storytelling, and moral philosophy.Perhaps a plebeian such as yourself could never truly understand the joys of such heated intellectual discussion and debate, and as such you resort to simply accusing those who can of "drowning out" your much simpler-minded verbalizations.A shame...
>>734109963at least i got a good idea for a story and had my own philosophy knocked down a peg (learning your own faults is part of improving)
>>734110320>had my own philosophy knocked down a pegWhen did that happen?I didn't think anyone in that argument was convinced of anything one way or the other.
>>734109661So, how do you think the three of them would react to that then?I am curious as to how you envision these characters, and also the idea is cute and I'd like to hear more.
>>734110209Is there a Berdly version of this image? I need one
>>734110518>Zartlets eyes would go wide with shock, before she started laughing for a moment before instinctually drawing back her other talon and planting it in your face. She's still Martlet after all so she'd probably feel too bad to say "that's what you get". You now have a serious headache, but she's got you wrapped in her wings because she feels bad for using her strength like that. Ultimately worth it.>Martlet would react similarly without the kicking instinct as she tried her best to get her talons back, twisting and turning trying to escape as she's laughing to the point of crying. She'd swear she'd never take off her boots around you again. She forgets a day later, 2 at most.>Roba would react shocked at first demanding to know what you thought you were doing as she reacted to it very ticklishly, but she'd try to turn the tables on you in a "oh so that's how you want to do things".
>>734110367I don't have to be convinced I'm wrong to notice the holes being poked in my arguments. You've shown me weaknesses that need improving, areas where I hadn't thought things through enough.
>>734110807Oh, the "friends" thing, right?I mean that one seemed pretty obvious to me.
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>>734110861parts of it. And of course it seemed obvious to you, all of my positions seem obviously wrong to you, because you're the anti me. It just so happens you may have had a point on some of those issues. Or at the very least helped me to see that I was not figuring out my ideas very well.
>>734110798I like the way you think anon.Zenith cuddling with you after the fact because she accidentally hit you in the face, Martlet struggling (and presumably failing) to get away, Ceroba turning the tables on you, all of these ideas are perfect, you're a visonary.Ah fuck, I'm gonna need to draw something based on all three of these, aren't I?Dammit.
>>734110984>because you're the anti me.I'd certainly hope I'm a little bit more than just the opposite of you.
Can you retards stop shitting up every single thread with pointless arguing.
>>734111174It didn't happen in the last thread, or the thread before that. and the thread before that. The autists have gone out of their way to keep it under control and only occasionally have arguments.
>>734111174I try not to, but sometimes the autism is just too strong.
Hey NaranjaDev, is this better?You told me last time to make the jaw less round, and I did that, but I'd like to hear what you think.
>>734110798>but she'd try to turn the tables on you in a "oh so that's how you want to do things".Oh man, I could totally see her using her stunlock magic to hold you in place for when she gets her revenge.Dammit, now I really need to do these, the idea's are just too good.
>>734111573not Naranjanon, but I think you should make a small part of the bottom of his face flat, and make the front line of his face also flatter based on his sprites. He's a rock person so he's going to have some unnatural angles to spots like his chin or the corner of his face. Consider making hte part that leads up to his head spikes curve a little less, and then make a spot on the bottom of his face just a straight line.
>>734111694Interesting, I'll give it a shot.
>>734111628>>734111023it came to me in a dream called real life. I'm still thinking about Zartlet holding me while feeling bad. I think I've got a thing for women who can accidentally hurt you, and loving them in such a way that shows them you aren't afraid of the dangerous side of them. I don't think that experience with Zartlet would stop me from doing something stupid again in the future.>sneaking up on Zartlet to surprise her>she turns around and her fighting instinct kicks in, nearly killing you>even the fierce person that she is, is really broken up about it afterwards as she heals you the best she can, all the while you're more concerned with burying your face in her wings. your relatively mangled face.
>>734111952>I think I've got a thing for women who can accidentally hurt you, and loving them in such a way that shows them you aren't afraid of the dangerous side of them.That is very fair.I think I said so earlier, but I myself have a fantasy of loving Ceroba even if she tried to kill me and take my soul.Also, cuddling up with a very big and strong woman is one of the greatest dreams conceivable, so you definitely aren't alone on that front.Sidenote, has no one ever drawn Zenith cuddling with someone using her wings? Because that feels like it should've been done by now, even if it wasn't with an anon.
>>734112287The vast majority of Zartlet art has her in combat situations I feel like, even with how people feel about the cast, I think most of her art depicts her in "fierce warrior" situations and not the peace and happiness she deserves.
>>734112428I hope that doesn't mean I'll be the first one doing this when I get around to it, that's a bit of pressure to get it right on the first try.
Sex with fem Clover.
>>734111694Well, I ended up with this.I think it looks a bit better.
>>734113118I think that looks a lot better, and while I have mixed feelings knowing what you are drawing, that definitely feels more like the zaer now.
>>734113161>and while I have mixed feelings knowing what you are drawing, that definitely feels more like the zaer now.Ah yes, that's the emotion I'm going for, perfect.Thank you for your aid in making this man suffer.
>>734113206Such things are out of my hands. Might as well give feedback now since I'm not going to be willing to expose myself to the final image.
>>734093031I'm working on a Fear & Hunger fangame set in the future. It's solid enough to be a standalone project, I'm really excited for it and I've considered making it commercial, but I can't get in contact with Miro anymore. He's pretty offline.If I can't get his permission to use the F&H name and world, worst case scenario, I change it to not be F&H explicitly, which would suck because it serves a big purpose that everything about it is radically different from what you expect of F&H, yet it confusingly shares the name.
>>734113857From what I've seen of the Fear and Hunger world, there's a lot of room to do stuff in that departs wildly from "expectation", so that's pretty cool. Hopefully you're able to get in touch, maybe he's just taken a hiatus from outside contact or something. Still, even if it's not able to be connected like that, if it inspired you I'm sure you can still make it something worthwhile. I've noticed a lot of creativity seems to have spawned from within that fanbase.
>>734113594Fair, fair, I'll be sure to put the proper warnings on it when I post it here.So if anyone ends up using it for catbox roulette, that's not my fault.In the same sense that Oppenheimer wasn't *really* responsible for all those people who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki when you think about it.
>>734113997so long as your original post is tagged, I wont send an atomic bomb of my own to you. I sincerely do not want to see the full image (no offense) and avoid the roulette as a rule now due to what people have been posting with it.
>>734114050>no offenseNo, that's fair, I'm mostly just making the image for myself.I'll return to making less-objectionable things immediately after.
>>734113978Thanks. Yea, extreme reactions are what come from a polarizing game like that. I was really moved by how the first game held back no punches, for better or for worse. More than the rape and gore, I associate that unflinching approach with F&H. I started thinking about what that same approach might mean for a setting in the future, and I started to unearth more and more of my worst, logically disappointing, dreadful and anxiety inducing predictions for the future. Which on paper doesn't sound like a fun idea for a game, which is why it really HAS to be F&H.I doubt it, but if anyone in the thread happens to have contact somehow, please get me in touch.
>>734114339I doubt anyone here knows how to get in touch with the F&H guy since most of us are undertale autists, but still good luck on your hunt and of course you never know.I was enjoying playing through the tooth pulling experience of the first game a ways back, but life took away all of my free time for some years so I really should go and play the games again sometime. There's a virtue in a game style that revels in kicking you down the stairs so to speak like that, and while it's not for everyone, some of the moments I did see in that game are stuff you really can't find anywhere else.
>>734097017Oh hey, that one's mine. Feels weird to see it used by others but at the same time, neat.
>>734093525that's not how adults talk
You know, jokes aside, I have actually been finding applying details to different parts of Zaer's body to be fairly interesting.Having been told the general details about his composition and structure, I've been trying to make the various purple bits around his body look more obviously crystalline in structure, and I like the implied geometry that adds to his head.I also made those little purple bits on his arms look like shards of crystal that come to a point, like blades coming out of his own body, which is what I'm going to assume those are supposed to be.He's a very interestingly designed creature, and I hope I'm able to do him justice in spite of the horrible, terrible things I'm doing to him.
>>734098640Sorry anon, I tried my best.>>734098598I'm a big sniddy (big everything) affectionado but wanted to do something for the flat enjoyers too.>>734098694Thanks anon, glad to hear that part came through as well. and I know one anon got why her tail is shaped like that so thats a plus for me
>>734115645>I'm a big sniddy (big everything) affectionado but wanted to do something for the flat enjoyers tooBased on both counts
I had every intention of putting out that Kitsy story this weekend and getting to one of the requests, but I trapped myself in that "rewrite this part 6 times" foolishness, and things only started to click when I started getting too tired to second guess everything I was doing. I need to get better at the whole "just writing things down and waiting until I'm finished to go revise" Good night anons and thank you for thread, may you be visited by your favorite brain rot in your dreams.
>>734116063Oh damn, that's a good Kitsy anon, you did well!
>>734116063Have a good night anon, thank you for your hard work.
>>734116171That is not my kitsy, it's just one of the two images I know of of kitsy. I Thought it was drawn by oldentale anon himself but I don't actually know. >>734116180thank you anon. I would love to be irresponsible and stay awake but that is a bad idea.>>734116202though I am glad I stayed awake just long enough to see this.
>>734116254>I would love to be irresponsible and stay awake but that is a bad idea.Don't be like us.Get some sleep.
>>734116254I might be a lil retarded then, sorry to jump to conclusion.
I wonder if any of the fangames being made here will manage to have more porn than UTY.
>>734117595if I had to guess if any of them had a chance it would be naranja due to the high volume of pretty ladies
>>734117595While I don't think there would be more, I would definitely love to see more of Luna and her mom from Wildfire. Also Anser too.
>>734118178Yeah, I'm sure those designs'll get some more attention if Wildfire actually comes out, they're about as generic furbait as it gets, so they're pretty generally appealing to most people.
It continues to surprise me that esix doesn't put certain things on their generic blacklist for when you're browsing the site when you aren't logged in.Anyway, don't look at the most recent result for "ceroba_ketsukane" and "human_on_anthro" unless you feel like having to bleach your eyes immediately after.
>>734118884What can I say, I am easily swayed by generic but nice looking designs.
>>734119146Yeah, that's fair.They aren't bad designs, just mildly creatively bankrupt, I can't really blame you for liking them.
>>734119203Also didn't help my case towards Luna when I saw the small bio they put out about her and I fear for her life in post game if you romance her
>>734119242>and I fear for her life in post game if you romance her I don't know much about UTW, but isn't it so far in the past that just about everyone in it would be dead by the time of UT anyway?
>>734119514I mean yes, that's true but what I specifically meant is that they could fuck with the player and have her fall down after the MC dies at the end because let's face it, his fate is sealed one way or another. At least that's my interpretation if they would really wanna twist that knight
>>734117595I doubt any fangame will ever be as popular as UTY, but I think it can be beaten in the porn department, Yellow was really lacking atractive guys, Chujin is there but he isn't a main cast member so that reduces his amount of porn, if one of the fangames has a lot of pretty girls and manages to have one bara bait character and one femboy in the main cast, it could dethrone UTY
>>734120690>one bara bait characterI wouldn't call it "bait", but Naranja has Zaer, and he seems pretty buff.Don't think it has any femboys though.
I just had a really intense nightmare about Dess and Noelle which woke me up after only getting 4 hours of sleep.
>>734120941Oh, sup Kris.How's your project going?
>>734120897Zaer is buff, but I don't think he is muscular enough to fall under the bara category>Don't think it has any femboys though.Yet, we haven't seen Naranja's full castAnyway, I can't see Naranja beating Wildfire in terms of porn amount if both games manage to come out, Wildfire designs just seem more appealing to your average furry and Naranja anon said that he didn't make Quetzali an owl like he originally planned because that was "too normal" or something like that
>>734121045>Naranja anon said that he didn't make Quetzali an owl like he originally planned because that was "too normal" or something like thatI dunno, I'd say her current design's pretty appealing to most people, people around here are crazy for her.Anyway, you might be right about UTW beating out UTN because of it's furbait designs, but alternatively I argue it may be possible for UTN to beat UTW by having more designs that actually fit into UT's general style and design philosophy.Like, probably not, but maybe.
>>734121167>I argue it may be possible for UTN to beat UTW by having more designs that actually fit into UT's general style and design philosophy.Compare the design of the first UTW mini boss (the fox lady) with Naranja's first mini boss (a sentient mass of sourdough) one is clearly going to have more porn than the other, I think Naranja still has a chance if it manages to have more atractive male characters than UTW
>>734121372>one is clearly going to have more porn than the otherI want this sentence to come true in the funniest way possible.
>>734121372See, I get what you're saying, but I think it's possible UTW could have *so* many generic furry designs that it kinda just becomes boring and most of them don't end up being lewded outside the core cast.UTN, having a much more varied and exotic roster of character designs, *could* theoretically manage to get ahead just by having more interesting and less stale characters to choose from.
>>734121454An old hag that can be used as an onahole vs a conventonally atractive fox, it would be funny but I don't see it happening unless Wildfire somehow dies
>>734121724>I don't see it happening unless Wildfire somehow dies
>>734116063The more you write, the more confident you should get.
>>734121669Furries don't really get bored of common furry species, there is a reason why most anthro characters are some form of wolf or canine, the only advantage UTN might have is that characters like Luzma would also be appealing to non furries, but there can't be that many who are into UT/DR fangames and don't want to fuck an anthro
>>734116063>may you be visited by your favorite brain rot in your dreamsThe monkey's paw seems to have curled, because I had a Deltarune related nightmare, despite not having a DR related dream in years.
>>734116254>I Thought it was drawn by oldentale anon himself but I don't actually know.it is, that's some early concept art of her
>>734122053>Furries don't really get bored of common furry speciesAh, my mistake, I was envisioning furries as being people who have standards and can get tired of things being too repetitive.I would very genuinely like to hope that UTN will beat out UTW on the grounds of it's art and design generally fitting with UT's style way better than UTW does, but maybe that's wishful thinking.
>>734116202>insert superlative laugh here
>>734112287Someone has drawn Zartlet cuddling someone with her wings. Funny enough the Martlet drawanon drew just that with Zenith Martlet and Cole.https://files.catbox.moe/dlyvn5.png
>>734122430Eh, I don't really think that's the same thing me and the other guy were talking about.It's more like a standard hug than a real wraparound.
>>734120983I wasn't Kris in the dream, though I think I was playing a similar role to him in the dream, being childhood friends with her. In the dream I was around 15 or so, and so was she, and I was thinking of her like one of my highschool friends. It was late at night, Noelle was playing some old game on that Atari looking system you see in the TV world. I think she was looking for some secret she read about online. Dess was there, sitting on the couch, eating chips and backseating. I think at some point I got bored and started messing with Noelle's game with a second controller. Some combination of buttons would cause it to bug, which would mess up her secret attempt, causing her to start over. After a while of doing this, I somemow managed to bug the game while it was already bugged and double bugged it. This drastically shifted the tone of the dream.Now the room was bathed in blue light from the TV. The TV was emitting this low buzzing sound, sort of like when you play a game with a broken AV cable, and it gets the video and audio mixed up, and the video had this double vision effect to it. Noelle was really interested by this and kept playing the game in its broken state. As it went on, it felt like the buzzing was in my ears, and it started to get louder and higher pitched a bit like a feedback loop. Meanwhile, the double vision effect was getting worse, I was practically watching two different images. That's when I noticed I was in two different rooms that were actively splitting apart, like I was percieving myself in two nearly identical places at once, and they were slowly getting father apart (it felt like those waking nightmares you get from a fever where you're both awake in real life and in some kind of abstract hell in your mind at the same time). I freaked out and looked to Dess for help. In the right room she was being dragged away to the void by the room's movement, the room was leaving her behind. (1/2)
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>>734122561Toby sent the new ARG to your brain directly instead of your email.
>>734122561>>734120983In the left room, Dess was concerned asking me what was wrong. My actions were mirrored in both worlds, so grabbing onto Dess in the right world and begging her not to let go caused me to grab her in the left as well. Dess asked me what was wrong, what's going on, but I couldn't manage an explanation. In the left world that was a question based on her concern at my panic, in the right world it was Dess freaking out over her own safety as she was slowly pushed into the darkness. That low buzz had become become a high pitched squeal, sort of like that guitar sound in the scenes in LOTR where Frodo is wearing the ring, and it kept building just like that. I got to see the look of terror in right Dess's eyes as the darkness swallowed her. Then she was gone. I was still holding on to Dess in the left world when I noticed something was off about her. Her eyes looked wrong. I let go of her and tried to pull my hand away, which only caused her to grip me tighter. She pulled me closer and gave an unnatural wide eyed unblinking grin. "What's the matter anon", she said playfully. At this point the guitar squeal was screaming in my ears. I struggled to break free, but couldn't escape her grasp. In desperation, I swung, trying to punch her with my free arm. I awoke from the dream swinging my arm in a weak and pathetic half asleep slap.As for how *my* project is going. Hopefully good now that I can actually do game dev stuff again.
>>734116202I feel like this image would be even funnier if Kanako said implied was going to get her teen pregnant with cathartic speak and would Kanakill her chances at a good life that way
>>734119242I fear for her life mid game. I'm worried she's going to die tragically to act as motivation for Riley.
>>734122053I can't speak for all furries, but I find that character design matters a lot. Furry scrimblos are a lot more interesting than generic furries, and in turn I'm more more likely to develop feelings for them.
>>734123054Riley ended up dying anyway so the motivation didn't work
>>734123054That would blow too, yeah.
>>734122909Yeah no, I think you had a cutscene beamed into your brain or something.
I'm going to bed and certainly won't be up in time to see this thread to it's close.This was a good thread, lotta good stuff this time around, good arguments, good smaller things, the works.Send this thread out on a good note for me.
>>734122694>>734123750I applaud this bold and innovative new medium the series is expanding into.Though I am jealous of that gets the Ceroba dreams. He gets to be comforted by his fox waifu, while my deer waifu sends me to parallel universe waking nightmares.
>>734097610>Don't do this to your foxwife, she... well I can't say she deserves better but I want her to have better.I think she deserves better.And I'm the one with the self-sacrifice fantasy, so even I'm willing to deny myself my dream because she doesn't deserve to have to go through that again.
>>734124349Are you that anon that has the dreams about being married to Ceroba in another universe?
Martlet fell into the Amazing Digital Circus.What happens?
>>734124480...Why do you ask?
>>734124493Hitting off with Rags most likely.
>>734124339>>734124480Oh, you mentioned it here, didn't you.Sigh.Yes, that's me, why have you sought me out?
>>734124520I wanted to know what you thought of my dream here >>734122909 >>734122561 Since Noelle is my waifu for laifu, I felt like it makes a waifu dream, which reminded me of yours.
>>734124493She's literally just Pomni
>>734124768>I felt like it makes a waifu dream, which reminded me of yours.My dreams were much less horrific.By themselves anyway.I still find myself grappling with the implications of what it would mean if what Ceroba told me was actually true, but the dreams themselves were very nice and offered me a light in an extremely stressful and dire time.Which is also something I have to ignore because then they stop feeling like the result of my tired, stressed brain hallucinating while unconscious and start feeling like something more intentional and meaningful, and that kind of thinking isn't compatible with not being crazy, and I'm not crazy.Anyway, your dream was very interesting and lines up oddly well with whatever the hell is going on with Kris in DR, which seems to be something of a widespread phenomena in the DR community.
>>734093031>We've got some anons that are making undertale fangames of their own That will never go anywhere past sprite work and a few rooms.
BEHOLD! KANAKO!
>>734124919I just think it's funny that I was envying you for getting these wonderful fox wife dreams in another thread, and then I finally get a dream abut my monster waifu (after years of nothing) and its that.I don't remember wishing on a monkey's paw, but it certainly feels like the result of one.
>>734125171>I don't remember wishing on a monkey's paw, but it certainly feels like the result of one.Eh, you could always try lucid dreaming, but then you know it's fake, so that takes some of the charm out of it, which is why I don't do it.Anyway, I'd suggest trying to recreate the circumstances in which you went to sleep before you had the dream if you want to try and have it again.That worked for me, once, but Ceroba verbally acknowledged that I had sought her out again and told me that I wasn't ready to return to her, though she did also say she appreciated me wanting to be with her again.Again, totally just a dream, I'm not crazy. But anyway, try thinking harder about her and your brain might end up putting her into your dreams again, and maybe it'll be less horrifying the next time.
>>734122483Nta you guys were talking about Zenith Martlet hugging someone and having her wings wrapped around someone, and that's quite literally what's happening in that image.Her wings are literally wrapped around Cole. That's like saying she's not hugging someone because they're bodies aren't close enough, or because the hug itself isn't tight enough.
>>734093254>400 posts laterKWAB
>>734125392I mean the other guy talked about "burying his face in her wings" at one point, and that's definitely not what's happening in that image, so that's clearly not at the same level that we were talking about.
>>734125349I don't know, I feel like it might be the result of the nature of my dreams and Noelle as a woman. I think those two things are just not conducive to sweet dreams. Noelle is a weirdness magnet who activates video game glitches and causes creepypastas. My dreams are unstable mess which are constantly on the verge between absurdist comedy and surrealist horror. (the previous vidya related dream I had was me evading the obese security guards at Fat Mesa with a mild jog after they had figured out I was a spy when they saw me reach for the salad in the cafeteria). I think Noelle naturally caused the dream to take a dark turn with her presence.
>>734125675>(the previous vidya related dream I had was me evading the obese security guards at Fat Mesa with a mild jog after they had figured out I was a spy when they saw me reach for the salad in the cafeteria)For the love of god, elaborate. You can't just leave us with this one sentence, we need the full story.>I think Noelle naturally caused the dream to take a dark turn with her presence.Well then you're going to have to accept that if you want to see her in your dreams again.
>>734125485>has no one ever drawn Zenith cuddling with someone using her wings? Because that feels like it should've been done by now, even if it wasn't with an anon.This was the question that was asked earlier, and the anon posted an image where such as thing was happening.Whether you had something different in mind doesn't change the fact, that an image showing Zenith Martlet cuddling someone, with her wings wrapped around them was drawn, and it was shown.And your direct response to seeing this image was it's not the same thing, when it is.
>>734124946Both Deltarune Yellow and Undertale Naranja got playable demos, DRY has one and a half Deltarune chapters worth of content, Naranja has a short demo with several rooms, enemies, a boss fight and new mechanics as well
>>734125858I dunno, that just seems like a pretty normal hug to me.
Okay, *now* I'm going to bed.Have things to do later.Goodnight, everyone.
>>734125812>For the love of god, elaborate. You can't just leave us with this one sentence, we need the full storyok, I'll give you a write up>Be me, the one fit man to successfully infiltrate the Fat Mesa Research Facility>As the name would imply, everyone who works there is very fat>I'm walking around in a baggy lab coat and oversized pants, shocked they haven't caught on despite me being 1/3 the size of the average employee>For some reason the place is laid out like my old high school, but bigger and with occasional science rooms added on>As I'm exploring, I hear the chime for lunch, and not wanting to break cover, I'm forced to follow the swarm of generously proportioned scientists to the cafeteria>I get there and the place is massive, its laid out buffet style, with rows and rows of every kind of food, lunch ladies manning every counter to constantly restock stuff as it runs out>I get in one of the lunch lines and start serving myself>Things are going fine until I make one fatal mistake>I reach for the salad>the VOX alarm blares>EMERGENCY. FIT MAN DETECTED IN SECTOR G. SECURITY PERSONNEL REPORT TO CAFETERIA IMMEDIATELY.>The salad must have been a trap placed specifically to catch fake fatties like myself>Instantly I make a break for it, as the security guards give pursuit>At first I'm running for my life, but then I realize something>None of these guys can run faster than 3 miles per hour>I slow down to a leisurely jog>The obese security guards are gasping for breath as they barely manage to stay a dozen paces behind me>They start networking over the radio to cut me off, but they're so slow that I can just weave around them when they try>Occasionally I slow down enough to let one catch up, the dodge out of the way just as he reaches for me, then watch him stumble and try not to fall over from throwing himself off balance>All the while Breen is giving announcements about how I should surrender myself for the greater weight
>>734126553>The salad must have been a trapamazing
>>734126862I should have known. When would these people ever eat a salad?
>>734111573I'm very late, it looks better, but I agree with what this anon said >>734111694>>734113118Now he looks pretty close to his face sprites.>>734115412>I also made those little purple bits on his arms look like shards of crystal that come to a point, like blades coming out of his own body, which is what I'm going to assume those are supposed to be.Oh yeah, those crystals sticking from his elbows are meant to be like blades, I added those because I thought his body was looking too human.>He's a very interestingly designed creature, and I hope I'm able to do him justice in spite of the horrible, terrible things I'm doing to him.Well, the head looks really good, I can't say anything for the rest of his body and I don't know if I should once you release the full pic.
>>734123261imo character design is always important, but is especially important for the furry crowd. helps if the game is good though
>>734129510Is this slop or real?
>>734129687It says wip on the filename, and its clearly a full color version of that nsfw Quetzali sketch that was posted 2 weeks ago
>>734129821Do you have a link to the sketch?
>>734129957here you gohttps://static1.e621.net/data/e9/f4/e9f4d6389e952d0f05ae9502f6753ab8.png
>>734115187i think thats the point anon was trying to make, the other guy's a little baby that cant handle when people talk about vidya.
>>734130058oh, that one. Somehow I didn't recognize it with the color. Just take it as a complement that your art is so high effort that I couldn't believe it.
>>734107791That was back in december right? When he or the janny gave him a posting block and then he got mad that people were still making fun of him and tried to accuse people of ban evading unintentionally admitting that he did have the person making fun of him banned?
>>734093254you will never be a janny nor a woman
>>734129510>>734130058Quetzali sexo
>>734125132hope the follow up comes soon
>>734122073My condolences anon. If its any consolation, at least nightmares can be good inspiration.>>734122031That's true, it's already a lot better than when I first started. I just have to try and stop myself when I'm redoing the same thing over and over.>>734122140Nice, i like the way your art comes out on the pc, but that kitsy came out well.
Pokemon clover is one of the best pokemon games i played. I wish all pokemon games had its leveling system and difficulty.
>>734129510Looks pretty nice, but isn't Quetzali's tongue black in game?
>>734135140her eyes are also inverted but I will give it a pass because I like black scleras
>>734134659>at least nightmares can be good inspirationIt didn't give me any ideas for Undertale related stuff, but the existing simultaneous in the real world and a parallel nightmare world does seem like it'd make for a cool stand ability.>Nice, i like the way your art comes out on the pc, but that kitsy came out well.Thanks anon. So do you prefer the digital stuff?
>>734135227maybe the mask inverts them
>>734135227The black sclera does look sexy
>>734124756Clover sexo ToT
>>734135414The digital stuff always puts a smile on my face, I like it a lot. That kitsy above however, you drew fluffy tail, and ears, it just came out really nice. Hearing that it's early concept art is impressive.>>734116554It's all good, I haven't got any drawing skill myself but I like using relevant images when talking about writing. Maybe we'll get more Kitsy as time goes by though.
>>734129510That's impressive coloring, I'm really looking forward to the finished version.
>>734137007The main reason that one lacks a tail is that I got lazy and didn't feel like drawing it. That image was a real pain to draw.
>>734137340That makes sense. I was actually pulling up both images when I was describing Kanako dressed as Kitsy, and I wasn't sure if it was something like that, or a design change so I haven't described fluffy tail yet . A lot of this is new territory for me.Regardless, I really like the Kitsy anon image, as I've said before. It was a big part of what got my brain spinning into all of this in the first place.
>>734135467it doesn't but everything looks better with black sclera
>>734138331It could, if you wanted it to.
>>734093459based
>>734137726Do as you please, but my intention with Kitsy is that she has five tails to her brother's three.
>>734138331She does look interesting with black sclera
>>734093459Based but jannies won't do shit.
>>734138804It looks a bit too edgy here. Maybe if you made her pupils larger.
>>734139351that's when she is being autistic about her hobbies, normally she is like this
>>734139351>>734139595>>734138804I need to see her like this with the dilated pupils from her full waku waku moments.
>>734139595I mean specifically with the black sclera though. I think the tiny pupils communicate a different meaning when combined with that.
>>734139351like this? I think I kinda misses the point of the orignal
>>734139845With the red sclera it would, but here its kinda necessary to communicate the point. Otherwise it makes her look like Risotto giving Doppio a death state
>>734129510>>734138331>>734138804>>734139595>>734139845she will never be him
>>734140276and that's a good thing
>>734109243finally, a good design
>>734140314of course, because she can't be the roaring knight
>>734140276why would a feathered snake be bald?
>>734140462jockingknight truthers represent
>>734129098Undertale yellow it if was fucking good
>>734140468anon. she sucks and is not interesting
>>734140646she has more going for her than jockinton who right now only exists as a joke character (unless it is confirmed he a goner/FRIEND's puppet)like quetzali actually has actual interests and is confirmed to be a recurring character in naranja so she will likely get more developmentand she is a (potential) descendant of quetzalcoatl, an actual IRL mythological creature, instead of just a random snekbut you're just a disingenuous shitposter so I doubt you even read past the first sentence
I wonder if someone posted a Yellow image in the deltarune thread and it triggered one of the schizos.
>>734139691I tried it, but I don't think it works as well.
>>734107184>obessed making softcore furry porncumming to this if true
>>734140785there doesn't seem to be a DR thread up right now so the schizos are just here to try to squeeze their daily DR brainrot quota
>>734093031I was a part of multiple fangame projects over the years. One of which got popular-enough on /v/ ages ago that the game was made open source because anons (such as myself) were making their own forks of it to continue development and it was easier to just have it be a team effort. This was before version control was possible for Game Maker projects so merging of codebases needed to be done manually.
>>734121372Maybe one guy will get obsessed with Pastra and start commissioning tons of porn of her. Wouldn't be the first time someone with a bread or bread-adjacent fetish did that.
>>734138785Gotcha, I'm going to do my own things to the best of my ability, but I still feel like that's good to know for my own personal autisms sake. I've already got my own idea of what her brother does day to day in mind for instance. I'd be working on it right now instead of chatting about it but I'm slacking off at work to take part in the last vestiges of thread.
>>734140987I don't see Pastra having the same appeal as wonder bread, but I don't have a bread fetish either so I can't really speak on this matter
>>734140756sounds like free EXP for Sans
>>734141112why would sans kill another monsterunless you're a deltatraveler fan (which honestly you probably are)
>>734140786you're right, it doesn't work as well but it's definitely funny looking. Some kind of CATHARTIC waku waku.>>734140874>so merging of codebases needed to be done manually.That had to take some dedication, but I know just from my own experience with a fangame back 15 years ago that when you get with the right group of anons, the energy needed to do difficult stuff burns like a fire at times.
>>734141112Sans KNEELS before boss monsters like (potentially) Quetzali
>>734141156because he needs to stop the human and I dropped deltatraveler after they made gg sans feel bad for killing
>>734141196Asgore runs over both with his bergentrück
some random yandere bero
>>734140646>she sucksI sure hope she does
>>734140786Maybe stick with red sclera then
>>734141369>"KAMEKAMEHAAAAAAAA"what about now
>>734141369Dalv is so lucky
>>734140874What game?
>>734141087the wonder bread guy has a whiteness fetish. That's all the women he commissions are white stepford wives looking girls shopping in upscale supermarkets buying the most stereotypically white food possible. And when they're not doing that, they're chopping down forests and building factories that spit out toxic fumes.
>>734141112Sans would job to Clover (jacket)
>>734141369>locking Dalv in the basement as if he wouldn't have stayed there anyway
>>734141020I'm eager to here what your ideas are
>>734120690Chujin is only attractive if you’re a furry that continuously scrolls through e621 to the point where humans look sexually unappealing
>>734141764>"look guys my super donut steel could defeat the skeleton with timelines knowledge!"you are so funny
>>734142058Chujin is definitely more attractive than Dalv at the very least
>>734120690I'd rather have 100 cerobas than a femboy in Undertale
>>734142184too late
>>734142113Val (Calvo) solos every Sans variant
>>734142231well shitthey should add skeleton relatives like grandpa semi instead of that then
>>734142184If UTY and UT were equal levels of popular, people would rather bang Ralsei than Ceroba
>>734142113Sans is an absolute pushover it's actually pretty funny. The reputation he got from children who suck at video games is undeserved.
>>734142303even Baby Bones?
>>734142340unfortunately
>>734142058
>>734142352Sans is much harder than anything in Undertale, which isn't saying much since UT is easy as fuck
it was fun talking with you guys, hope Chapter 5 releases this year so we can have better material to work with
>>734142113Yes, my super donut steel beats your super donut steel because I have a force field and an attack that does infinity and one damage that you can't block with force fields or dodge
>>734140276Jockington and Catti have felt like a giant waste of space in Deltarune. I try to keep my biases in check when I make statements like this because I had seven years to speculate on the game like everybody else and thought the homeroom class as a whole would be more important than they've been (to the point that I expected more than four party members in the Dark Worlds) but that pair in particular had a lot of potential and seemed like they had a greater-than-normal degree of awareness that something had happened with Kris.The game isn't over yet and Chapter 5 in specific might finally do something with the characters, but if Toby doesn't then I might start agreeing with the people who think he's getting Hussiefied.
>>734142687YOU. ARE. A. GOONER!
>>734142353Whose skeleton do you think he is?
>>734142772ok but he has a cool design and he's cool
I am sharing this because I had to see it, so now you have to too so I don't suffer alone>>734142801>he says, on 4chan of all placessee >>734142460
>>734142823Clopen
>>734142801Gooner board, gooner site, gooner internet, gooner planet
>>734142882possible candidates>Kitsy>DRY Sadie>Calista (Luna's mom)>Stella (Cyclops catgirl from Fountain tale)>That rabbit girl from that other Deltarune take>Guardener with sexy robot body>Some random overworld npc from a fangame>Pastra
>>734142772>even more mindraped mikefag whining will this horseshit ever end
>>734142882>>734143076Undergoon
>>734142932Clover and Pennilton, the ultimate fusion
>>734142862he is just a snake with a hat
>>734143076> Pastra
>>734143076>>DRY SadieI'm not opposed to that, but we'd need art of her first
>>734143132ok but he's cool he's radical he's the fucking knight and mogs everyone in yellow and Naranja
>>734143127What a wonderful idea for a fangame. I can see it now. You play as a goon who accidentally went to the wrong underground, and now has to fight his way through an army of overly sexualized monsters to get back to the mafia underground. and he takes all the monster babes with him
>>734143210We need art of all of those, that's why they aren't part of the rolls
>>734143252there's a comic about thatand if I made that I would make a bait an switch where insanity sans kills everyone and all was a hallucination of him
>>734143243I like how you capitalized Naranja but not Yellow, showing how much respect you have for UTN
>>734143192how long until some sicko actually draws nsfw of her?
>>734143243>the roaring fraudso what's up with this anyways. Why do some deltarune fans have such animosity towards fangames. Toby would be ashamed.
>>734143463Probably wont happen until full release if ever. Not many can see the vision like I can.
>>734143370only because of that rock toriel replacement, the others are boring>>734143506if they added sans papyrus or wing gaster they would be interesting
>>734143506if you haven't realized yet, that guy is a troll, he only comes here to be annoying, you really think that guy wants the fangames to include Sans variants?
>>734143656he's definitely a troll, but I get the impression he's an unironic sharteen at the same time.
>>734096809>Ideas guy like you can still help fangame devs here with suggestionsThis. You know the quote from LISA at the end of the game from Brad about "being dead for 30 years but this is the day I live."? I'm the famous anon that told the dev that quote and to put it in the game. Idea guys make the world more intreresting.
>>734143729Yeah he probably is a sharteen, people there have taken a lethal dose of irony, I can't even tell if he actually likes UT/DR unironically
>>734143854I only like sans, papyrus, gaster, Asgore, spamton, Jorkington, tenna, ramb, John Mantle and Gersonthe best characters of both games
>>734143854probably a mix, likes deltarune, but feels ashamed because of that whole irony culture, and shitposts aggressively to make the bad thoughts go away. "it's ok that I like something 'cringe', I'm doing it ironically". Some mixture of self hating autism.
>>734142352
I am glad that we can still discuss video games on /v/ from time to time. Have a good week anons.
>>734143506>Why do some deltarune fans have such animosity towards fangames.It's probably that fag that avatarfags in the deltarune thread.He doesn't even like deltarune either.
>>734144469too much jaundice
