The video that broke /v/
Da poop is da yum ;)
>>734103380>another studio shuts downyou're right, they should be $100!
>>734103380>Games should not cost $60 anymoreCorrect. They should be cheaper than $60 since 99% of games are digital instead of physical now.
who?
>>734103380Imagine destroying the entire industry because people listened to the guy who may or may not have worked in Call of Duty mobileThat would be crazy
>>734104778nobody was listening to james. he got outed as a sex pest in 2018
>>734103380Games should be no more than 20 dollarsImagine paying 60 dollars for a movie and they cost the same to produce
>>734103598lmfao
>>734103380>>734103598Besides these two and that weird patreon friendship program, I don't think I have heard anyone talk about this channel and it's content.
>>734103380Why do they keep publishing videos we're gonna run out of internet
>>734103380>Games should cost more because of muh inflationThats not how economics works dipshitThe price is determined by supply and demand and since this commodity has an infinite supply it is constrained by demand alone so basically they charge what they THINK people are willing to pay, thats why you see massive discounts almost immediately for games that dont sell well and some games keeping their prices for years with little or no discount
>>734103598>this faggot had an existential crisis because he had to play as nazi in a ww2 multiplayer video gameWhat a faggot. I hope that video destroyed his channel.
>>734105604The part that most people miss too with "muh inflation" is that prices should not be based off inflation, they should ideally be based on average income, which hasn't gone up meaningfully for anyone but the 1%ersThe average cost of living has gone up faster than income, so the amount the average middle class has to spend on luxuries per month is less than it used to beGame prices should be going DOWN actually, not upI mean, unless companies want to price the working class out of games entirely in which case carry on I guess
>>734105604Digital goods have a near-zero MARGINAL cost to "produce" an additional copy. But the total cost is of course far from zero because someone had to develop it.
>>734103598>>734105875>>734105469Post it
>>734105469Sometimes people talk about the orcs = black people video>>734106598Here, it's unlisted but surprisingly never deletedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCj8llyzfWo
The price of games should be inversely proportional to the price of houses, if boomers won't let me become independent and live my life, then I should have easy access to escapism
>>734107330have you considered getting a job at an aged care home and wiping some bums
>>734106221Reminder the median income is actually $0.
>>734103589NOOOO THAT'S JUST TO OFFSET THE HIGHER COSTS OF RENDERING THE BALL HAIRS ON YOUR HORSE
>>734107024>this image is actually real and uneditedfucking lmao
>>734103380So it's just physically impossible for this guy to have any opinions that aren't absolute dogshit, huh
>>734103598>gets plastered with a nazi label in real life because you had to play one in a video gameWhy is it so hard for some people to keep themselves detached from vidya?Why does everything have to affect them personally?
>>734107449gotta pump those child labor numbers up
>>734107024>Here, it's unlisted but surprisingly never deletedWhat a pussy.
>>734105469They were somewhat big back in the heyday of industry commentary content since they advertised themselves as being experienced devs and had high production values compared to the average youtuber. One of the reasons their "hot take" vids blew up so much was because they had a modicum of respect and were generally just seen as basic bitch video essayists.
>>734107969Videogames are child labor
>>734107449>that imageDo you want to force children to work or something?
>>734103380He's right, they should be cheaper
>>734103589Or you could just... get a job? I promise you it'll make your life so much easier instead of sitting around bitching that you have to see queers trannies brown people icky politics and pesky PRONOUNS REEEE and can't masturbate to underage female characters anymore in video games
>>734108235trying too hard for that gcj bingo
>>734107698I wanna play devil's advocate and say he's fully aware and simply ragebaiting people on purpose for views and ad revenue.
>>734103380I don't see why not? If someone released the Matrix would you not be willing to pay $100 for it?
>>734107449>children, retared not accounted for>part time employment not accounted forThis image gave me an aneurism.
>>734103380They should be priced what the game developer thinks they are worth, with an upper limit that can only be exceeded by special editions that don't come at a detriment to the base game.
>>734109465How dare 11% of the population aka anyone aged 10 and under, not have a job!
>>734107953It’s not your average person, it’s narcissists and for some reason this shit doesn’t apply to games where you play as a serial killer or a border checkpoint guard.
There should be a standard tier pricing that *everyone* agrees on. If the game had an indie budget it's $10, a 2D game cannot be more than $20, a midrange budget for a 3D game is $30-$50, and of course no game should be more than $60 and there should be massive expectations for that sixty dollar game.
>>734103380Isn't this the guy that said the existence of evil orcs is racist?
>>734109850Gta 6 10 dollars (instant buy from everyone)
>>734105469They used to be big back in the day.People here even used to post about them favorably.
>>734103380correct if it isn't 5$ or less im going to pirate it
Ponder me this. If you sell a game for 20 dollars and 5 people buy, or you sell it 50 dollars and 2 people buy, which is better? Does “devaluing” your game matter if more people play it?
>>734103598>None of us did, bro
>>734103380What do you mean?I think video games should cost even more. $200, $300, whatever
>>734103598me when the newest vidya has another black granny in it
Heres another one, if you sell a game for nothing but everyone plays it or you make a game unaffordable and nobody plays it
>>734103380Buy...games? But I don't...
>>734110463I never even play games, I just complain about them on /v/.
>>734103380how's that $70 price point working out for AAA lately? wanna ask ubisoft?
>>734110514What did I think of them?
>>734110543Ummmm Ubisoft made the world's first AAAA chud respect their work
>>734110632More like FFFF
>>734103598Me neither buddy
what being made nowadays justify the increasing price. Triple AAA gaming has become a joke.
Even that vid is self aware of its dumb argument.>Well yeah, there's way more gamers out there... exponentially moreSo they agree that companies make bigger profits nowadays and don't need to raise prices. Look at Nintendo, their stocks have gone way up more than ever before and it's because of their software sales. But yeah, let's raise prices to $70. Those 5 people still buying the game for that price will make up for the 20 people who would buy your game if it was priced at $60... because you know... math.
>>734107024it’s not deleted because if they did delete it would be 1.6m views removed which would affect their channel
>>734111638I thought unlisted videos become lost for channel analytics. Isn't that what happened with DSP like ten years ago?
>>734108235But if I get a job I have no time for games, a true catch-22
>>734111690DSP deleted all those videos, he didn't just private them like a sane person.
No other industry has such dick-sucking consumers the extent that video games do.Video games should be what the market dictates them and if the video game companies dont want to tackle market forces they deserve to fail.
>>734103380YOU SPENT MONEY ON A 60 DOLLAR GAME.YOU DIDN'T CHOOSE THISYOU DIDN'T WANT THIS, YET THERE IT IS
you don't get to complain about bad optimization when you refuse to pay the developers properly
I simply won't buy them.
>>734103380>Never pay more than 20$ for a videogameGames are a completely immaterial good with an arbitrarily scalable production cost, their "cost" is based entirely off of vibes.>>734106384Yeah "Someone", but that can just be one guy making something in a year while fully paid or it can be a studio of 4000 pajeets literally burning money on nothing for 8 years, and neither one nor the other will have a guarantee of better quality. >>734109850The standard pricing tier is "never more than 20$ and that 20$ game had better be good". Everything below that, including free games and piracy, is just free samples for advertising.
Don't they not even do games anymore and just do semi cool history stuff now?
The real answer from the companies' perspective is that games should have multiple price points, so that everyone pays as much as they're willing to pay.You have the deluxe edition for people with more money than sense, the full price edition for people who follow trends, and then a series of discounts to sell to opportunistic people.
>>734103380I'm surprised anyone watches these guys anymore
>>734103598https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NioMSFZliA
>>734103380>>734107024HE'S A ORC!!
Compulsion
>>734105469>patreon friendship programwhat
>>73411029250 dollars that 2 people buy is better>why?because then when you want to lower the price, you can go to 40, 30, 25 or whatever, and get people to pay at that price range and have them think its a good deal.if you start at 20, you will never be able to go above 20
>>734103380If games are worth $70, then why are they heavily discounted a few months after launch? It's almost like the price is inflated and they are sold largely on hype rather than value.
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>>734107449This is the most american image I've seen in months
>>734111993brother, who here is ACTUALLY refusing to pay the developers properly, consumers or executives?
>>734109465>he hasn't been mining coal since his 6th birthdayok fag
>>734105469> I don't think I have heard anyone talk about this channel and it's content.It used to be good.Then the kike managed to expel the founder, and the writing immediately turned retarded with crappy speakers as replacement.
>>734103380they think orks are similar to blacks. fuck those racists
>>734108235Why are leftists always the biggest corpo bootlickers?
>>734107953Low IQ and low empathy people are literally incapable of not self inserting. Every character they play as, or watch in a movie, is always a representation of themselves, because they don't have a developed theory of mind.
>>734118696Because most communism is actually just fascism now.
>>734103380Does this video even exist?
>>734103380Video game budget shouldn't cost 300 millions
>>734103380>game studios are printing billions in revenue on live service slop like GTA online, Fortnite or MTX in Fifa/CoD>CEOs of game studios pay themselves hundreds of millions in bonuses to buy their new yacht>Nooo! Games need to be $70+ to sustain the development! Don't ask any questions!I'm so happy all these live service slop games are flopping and shutting down studios man.
>>734103380It’s not the 70$ price tag that broke me, but western devs asking to be paid for the privilege of playing their excrement.
maybe if these retarded corporations did some god damn market research and dropped the woke mandate, people would actually buy the gameshelldivers 2 and marvel rivals were the first couple of games to defy the past decade of dogshit, and they were met with resounding success. Indies have consistently mogged AAA the past few years.These idiots keep digging their own grave, its not the customer base's fault. Just look at pokemon: the games sell more when they get worse, just invest in what your customers want.
>>734105469Main Channel sucks. But extra history is pretty good.
>>734103380Where the video that says:> voice acting sucks and raises prices> graphics were more than good enough 10 years ago> I don't need 10 systems in each game> AAA has mostly been terrible for a decade
>>734107024>>734117054I always think of this video and posts like these whenever I see people say>it's amazing how much leftist discourse is just them pretending not to understand thingsbecause it's shit like this that just proves it's projectionLike anyone that isn't being disingenuous understands that the point isn't>stereotypes about orcs are based on black people so stop itit's>labeling an entire race as bad or evil in fantasy normalizes it in real life too>actual human races had to suffer this, so don't bring it backwhich is already an argument that's already wrong and stupid enough that it can be thoroughly dunked on (and one echoed in their other videos, like that nazi one), but god you people just can't help yourselves and just have to bend over backwards and act desperate and retarded as fuck to try to turn it into "da anti-racist is da real racists"
>>734121378You misunderstood us racists.Our problem is that comparing orcs to negroids is a grave insult to orcs. Anything else is irrelevant.
>>734121378>>labeling an entire race as bad or evil in fantasy normalizes it in real life tooExcept it's not though, or at least not JUST that. They literally make the argument that the characterizations of orcs is what racist stereotypes were against black people.
>>734103380Aren't these the retards who didn't understand that a game based in a historical setting needs to have the bad guys in multiplayer?
>>734121568>>>labeling an entire race as bad or evil in fantasy normalizes it in real life toothis is a good thing, children should know there's actually a couple races irl that are actually evil and desire world domination and the enslavement of other races for eternity, and at the very least constantly engage in actions to exploit anyone they consider "outsiders" while being outsiders themselves
>>734103589At this point, physical printing and distribution IS the cheaper option compared to building and maintaining a digital distribution data centre.
how am I supposed to afford video games?
Marvel doesn't charge you $60 dollars to see a movie and they pay their employees just as much.
>>734118696because corpos love importing endless brownoids (for cheap labor) and lefties worship browns
>>734103380there is NO reason a digital game should cost the same as a physical one
>EC posits that we have to accept $70 games OR we fill games with microtransactions>fast forward to the present>we have not only both but games are gonna $90 WITH microtransactions tooTheir premise was utterly retarded.
>>734103380What is it about?
>>734121958Luckily for them they can just let Valve take a 30% cut of the sales and not have to worry about any of that, at all.
>>734103380>we need to pay creators more!>extra revenue from raising the prices doesn't go to creators and instead into executives and shareholders pockets>and those same creators are fired to cut costs and are replaced with worse temp hires and AIThat's why I'll never happily accept raised prices from any company, you'd have to be the most naive fucker on the planet to really think that the creators are seeing any meaningful amount of that extra revenue.
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>>734103380How are the lay offs going?
>>734122178It's not 30% of their profit. That cut is offloaded onto the customer by keeping the price tag the same as physical.
>>734103598I chose this
>>734107953You want the gobbledygook answer?People high in Cluster B personality disorder traits, particularly narcissism, have difficulty separating their own identities from others' identities and perceived identities. A consequence of this is that playing a morally bad person in a video game, or having a morally bad character in a movie or book, can't be separated from either the creator or audience, and therefore is a reflection of both the creator and audience. They literally have trouble understanding the concept of, "The character isn't you or the creator, nor a reflection of your beliefs or the creator's, and it's not meant to be."
>>734103380Inflation is a dumb argument because the manufacturing cost of a game copy is almost zero so in a perfectly competitive market games would be very cheap, in the order of 5-10 bucksYou don't need expensive manufacturing processes that are influenced by energy and labor costs rising, the main cost is the initial development costOther than that the price is mainly dictated by competition and elasticity of demand, so if the market grows it makes sense for the price to stay stable
It’s sad /v/ has to justify why they don’t play video games
>>734103380isn't the whole point of buying vidya to support the devs? you should be fine with paying whatever they ask you to payif you don't wanna pay just pirate it
>>734121378>it's amazing how much leftist discourse is just them pretending not to understand thingsYour entire post just proved it. They literally make the argument, "Orcs are just black people, therefore this is racist. And the demons are just some other racial group!" But now you have to make up some bullshit about how, "It's actually a nuanced discussion about racial stereotyping and how that isn't cool and reflects our reality." Except, not only is it not that because the setting they are using has clearly described rules and behaviors making the "But if we stretch like Dhalsim we can apply this to stereotypes in history and therefore having these fantasy races and beings is heckin racist and needs to be removed!" but if the argument is, "This should spur a discussion about stereotypes in the real world," it is never articulated in such a manner, and such a discussion should never demand a change to the fantasy setting if it is being done in good faith.But it is never in good faith, just like you're not good faith.
>>734122693And you'll lose your job because of it!
>>734107024>tfw when the game I'm playing shuffle the teams and now I need to go outside and stomp niggers
>>734117054kek
>>734103380I never watched it.But I'm not paying 70 or more money for any game and if devs can't handle that then it's their problem.
>>734103380Video games should not cost more than $40, the quality haven't increased with the price and games have no reason to be several hundreds million dollars.
>>734103380I agree, they should be cheaper.
>>734103589third post best postit makes no sense considering nowadays developers make digital only and on top of it they just pick unreal engine which is at least 50% of the game done already
>>734108235>I should pay more to get less because... em... umconsoomefag detected
>>734123832because raped as a child as shrimple as that
>>734103380i would rarely buy games at 60 if I really liked them. I will never spend 70 I'll just wait for a sale or pirate
>>734105469They used to be on the Escapist back when Yahtzee was propping up that site. Same reason literally anybody is aware of that white Korra comic
>>734124132Hey I just played this game in January. Turns out that screen is a joke
>>734108235Peak cattle mentality. Now moo for me.
>>7341213781. Did you watch the video? They pretty much compare the stereotypes they think are levied to orcs to blacks2. Surprisingly few games and franchises just say "orcs bad"Orcs Must Die? That's the only one I can think of. Warcraft's orcs are a faction with depth. Lotr orcs are corrupted and of all races. DnD orcs are victims of their wrathful gods, et cetera.
>but muh people who lost their family to terroristsWhy do leftoids always hide behind victims? Those faggots can just not play the terrorist game then
>>734118696It was created by capital. It’s more capitalist than capitalism itself
>>734103380I've not bought a brand new game for two years, only used physical copies. I don't care if the industry dies. It doesn't produce the games I want anymore anyway.
>>734105469the channel used to be really good but they fired the main guy behind it which is why we got those two videos
>>734121378>>labeling an entire race as bad or evil in fantasy normalizes it in real life toojust like violent video games create serial killers, right?
>>734103380I wonder how corpo-simps like this must feel now kek.
>>734115239iirc they made a video about loneliness and depression and said that the solution was to give them money and join their parasocial online community
>>734103380i have never spent more than 20$ on a game and that was only because i really liked the game and wanted to support the dev
>>734125875The guy who took over is almost certainly an actual narcissist. So probably they feel it's somebody else's fault sadly. These people literally are not wired to feel like their actions lead to bad things happening.
Nintendo set the original trend of high priced games back during the SNES when they introduced extremely high priced tech on the game carts.Then $40-60 was the norm blockbuster price in an era where selling a million copies was a runaway smash hit.The gaming market is 100x the size it was back then. Over a billion people.If you're spending $200 million to make a game and you just have no idea if it will sell 3,000 or 30 million that's your fucking mistake not mine.People making games should already know if its fun and good. They're making the fucking game.
Why? The $60 price point is not sustainable at all as development costs are always rising.
>>734108235Good shit. That's what the fuck I'm talking about!
>>734126154>stop opening studios in expensive cities>spend less on marketing>stop hiring celebrity voices>don't waste time on bullshit that players don't care about>execute the CEOwow so hard to reduce costs
>>734126154>>734126173Bait
>>734103380>dumb take by industry shill?Who's this supposed to break?
>>734126225Players (i.e. the vast masses of retarded normalfags) ONLY care about marketing and celebrity VA thoughever
>>734126154>The $60 price point is not sustainable at all as development costs are always rising.is sure as shit is when they're shoving countless day 1 digital deluxe/DLC/microtransactions/online subs down our throatgotta love how people argued it'd stop with the price increase, lol, it didn't at all
>>734103380>>734103598>>734107024
>>734121378>>labeling an entire race as bad or evil in fantasy normalizes it in real life tooJust like violence in video games normali- hey wait a minute, what are you doing here Jack Thompson?
>>734126225Those are required to stand out in the industry. A symptom, not a cause.>>734126262I don't bait. There's no time for that. >>734126367Poor testing is the most egregious, yes.
>>734126415I'd take a million Jack Thompsons over a dozen bsky trannies.
>>734126678I have room in my heart to hate both
>suddenly you're a nazii asked for this
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>>734108235not everyones job can be to shill for trannies on the internet anon. Not everyone had the opportunities to suck dick like you did.
>>734126678I can believe than Thompson actually had good intentions at heart, even if he went about it in the entirely wrong and retarded way, so I can at least respect him somewhat.He was still fucking awful at the end of the day though.
>>734126650typical tranny, jumps on an intellectual property someone else already did all the work on and then proceeds to run it into the ground.
>>734103380It's just dumb. the price of things has always been what someone is willing to pay for, not some random standard value.
>>734126807The fuck does this mean? Answer carefully and at your own peril.
>>734105469they became woke and everyone sane stopped watching
It's a shame that extra credits turned out NOT to be Spirit Science
>>734103380>oh no, everything is cos more than 20 years ago>let's completely ignore the fact that we can distribute our 2 hour long walking simulator x1000 better for 0.00001 of the cost and then also sell some horse armour on the topMy god, poor game developers, how can they now afford these costy studios in California, must be evil pirates who tanking sales. Better to make next game with some ragebait preinstalled to generate media coverage: you know what they say, no publicity is bad publicity. I'm sure that shit is working good in 2026
>>734103380They should just lower game prices down to $50 but make it $30 for the day 1 dlc and then $20 to play the game a week early and most of you retards would go for it.
>>734105469they used to be good but became shit when they hired the reddit voice guy
>>734103380Is Extra Credits the most retarded channel that ever gained widespread acknowledgement from professionals?
>>734103380It's amazing how one channel can have such a broad spectrum of shit takes.
Why so many people use this stupid "get a job" response? I have a job, well paid at that, enough to save more than 3/4 of it each month - and I still consider modern games to cost too much, since I grew up in times where new games would cost no more than equivalent of today 25-30€. As a result I buy less games than I would in the past and only at sales and large discounts - not because I cannot afford them but because I value my own time and money.Is this the final goal, to make people stop buying games at all?
>>734107953Leftist do not believe in art, only propaganda.
>>734127319ugly face
>>734105469They were sort of pretty big back in the days when the escapist was a thing. Arguably they mostly got eyeballs because they shared front-page with zero punctuation but they together with shit like moviebob or jimqusition were popular in their own right, which seems sort of absurd is retrospect. Most of the crashed out and lost relevance, eventually even Yahtzee moved on and escapist is just actual AI slop click farm now.
>>734103380true, they should be $110and 1GB of RAM should be $4000I'm still not buying
>>734122385Oh, that's why games on the epig store are cheaper, right? Wait, they aren't. Not even the exclusives. Strange. >>734121958Good thing that all those brick and mortar stores aren't taking a cut. They're all charitable organizations after all. Retard.
>>734107953Yeah, you are very smart and do things that don't help you at all, while they are stupid and do things that make them win. Such fools.
>>734103380>>734107024>The video that cost EC their audience
>>734132823it's coolthey don't wan't nazis to watch their show
>>734103380The consumer has a say in pricing. I say this game is worth 0$, so any price above 0$ I won't pay. This is why you had more people working on the game than buying it.
>>734103380market prices goods, not producers
