Why don't remasters/remakes ever preserve the artistic intent of the original?
>>734157528why are you buying remakes/remasters if you wanted the original experience
>>734157528Because they're almost always shat out by bottom of the barrel shovelware devs because they're quick cash grabs
>>734157528Perhaps it's because remasters are done primarily for economical reasons rather than actual passionate ones. Why put in the effort of carefully improving every single aspect that could honestly be better when you can take a much broader approach and sell it wholesale?
thats shit youd have to put side by side to notice.the spyro thread was a lot more egregious.
>>734157619Because the original looks old.
>>734159124Put your glasses on, Melvin
>literally the same thing but betterRetard.
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>>734161034>worst colors>less foliage>better
>>734157528I always thought DE was a bad remaster just from playing it, but I didnt know it was this bad. That image is fucking brutal
>>734161153>outright lies
>>734157528The main menu change was the real travesty. Anyone got the comparison?
>>734161362I think the feathers on the logo are a unbearable to look at
>>734157528Many sixth gen games implement effects in hardware that are either impossible or too computationally expensive when upscaled to render natively on modern systems. (PS2 for example has an absolutely insane 2560-bit combined memory bus, a 5090 has 512-bit)So they need to strip the effects and recreate them from scratch, this may also mean re-baking the lighting info for that scene which changes its look or implementing a new system altogether.
>>734161249You're blind.
>>734162251How come you can do it through emulation though?
Only ones I can think of are the Kingdom Hearts and Odin Sphere remasters.
>>734164272Kingdom Hearts 1.5 literally changes some of the original models what are you on about
>>734164414Not really, they are backported models of the same version of characters but from later games.
Ok I'll bite. What am I looking at here? Every time I see /v/ discussions comparing two different versions of the game, it opens my eyes and makes me realize the original was better. Sometimes I don't immediately notice it.That being said, what am I not seeing in this comparison?
>>734157528Idk, looks pretty preserved to me (unless you meant keeping the dogshit PS2-tier textures).
>>734157528well in this case they were clearly trying to make it look more animu like xb2
>>734163826Wheres the foliage on the cliff face in the original screen?
>>734164414Not to mention they actually remove certain ambient sound effects.
>>734161051Left looks way better
>>734157619for the same reason I’d buy a 4K remaster of a movie I originally owned on vhs
>>734157528Back when that game released people were shitting on the "artistic intent" a lot, same for the next game. Perhaps it's not that surprising that once X2 came out the remasters ended up leaning more towards that style
>>734161051The models don't even look higher quality, I don't know what the fuck they were doing
>>734157528Because the artistic intent of the original exists only in the mind of the player.Death of the author, bitch.
>>734165954When XenoX came out it was general consensus that the character models looked kinda bad. i didn't have a huge problem with them since I was there for the mecha anyways. The remaster is an improvement there, but it's a rare case. They also lean more towards Xenosaga III's style which I appreciate
>>734157528Because remakes have their own artistic vision which takes precedent over old shit that has been done already.
>>734164237They use hacks, eg, taking a write operation that would complete in one cycle on the PS2 and splitting it across multiple on PC, but this introduces new bugs and even more overhead. Some emulated titles just have broken effects regardless.
>>734161051The glare in the eyes in the original was always way too strong. Of course, removing it entirely was incorrect.
>>734166065Seems like they fucked the lighting engine and that just makes the faces look worse
>>734166065>>734161051the model's textures are slightly better in the remaster. The real issue here is the lighting system. The light sources just need to be placed differently in the scene. This is something that shouldn't be too hard to fix since it would literally just be like a coordinate change. if I had to guess because the studios doing the remasters are usually outsourced it's probably just some software sweatshop without proper art directors on the team to supervise.
>>734166065>>734161051I usually install MELLO for Mass Effect LE.
>>734161051>>734166065>>734166294It's a shame because the remaster plays so much better. First ME was truly jank.
>>734164806Get your eyes fixed first.
>>734166065If I remember right, they tried to up-port ME1 and 2 from their earlier Unreal Engine versions to something more on-par with 3, but got assistance from Abstraction Games and Blind Squirrel Games for the matter. And whatever happened in the process, it's clear the importing was not given the care it needed and they didn't attempt to match anything up.
>>734165016Who's talking about the cliff? Look at the right images you blind fuck.
>another circlejerk faggot soul/soulless thread*yawn* this board is boring af
>>734170524Leave.
They make obvious changes because the remakers have to justify thier paycheck. They could just crank up rendering resolution but they wouldnt get paid more than them submitting a long itemized list of 'improvements' to show all the changes and value the remake team brings to the table
>>734161153These are the same nitwits who think the fable remaster looks good when it's somehow managed to age worse than the game it remastered
>>734157528Jeets can't comprehend artistic intent nor can second hand chinamen running it through their presets to upscale.
>>734170241That's just Timmy fucking up Unreal Engine with each revision like always.Even in UE5 in 2026, something will work and then a small 1kb update will break everything with no notice and you probably won't notice it enough to look into it.And then the next week another update will break something else.
The only reason the Xenoblade remaster is superior is for the quest tracker. Unironically.
>>734165939You like ai upscaling?
>>734166065>I don't know what the fuck they were doingthey fucked with the lighting engine or something. the sky boxes are all retarded too. literally the only benefit of the remasters is that they made the gameplay/controls better for 1
>>734173089nta but sometimes it's better than a remastermost of them are fucking awful though
>>734161051OLED vs LCD
>>734161051The is like intentionally ignoring the details.
they both look good, what's the problem
