I feel like modern multiplayer games are designed to leave you perpetually unhappy. For bad players, they give you hard matches on purpose so that you feel insecure about your skill level and invest more time into the game. Meanwhile, for players that they know are skilled, they'll trap you in Elo hell on purpose and put you on the hamster wheel, giving you shitty teammates and barely any rating when you win just to make you play longer.No multiplayer game actually has balanced mm, because none of them want you to just play the game, have fun, and stop. They want you to feel unsatisfied with your matches so that you always put more time into the game.
>>734187604>I feel like modern multiplayer games are designed to leave you perpetually unhappyModern life is designed to leave you perpetually unhappy
>>734187604Yes competitive games are shit. CS was only fun when you played on your favorite server, making frends, playing zombie mod, regular, deathrun, soccer etc...
>>734187814>CS was only fun when I played it like it was VRchatgood thing you have it separately now
Yeswelcome to the age of EOMMthe goal is using algorithms to keep you playing for a long as possible not to have fun
my brother in christ stop solo queueing into team-based competitive vidya and get yourself a squad to climb with
>>734187903>People casually hanging out and having fun is bad and anti competitiveYou probably consider everything old MP game VRchat then. I hate the rank obsessed goycattle so much it's unreal.
>>734188073>wasnt climbing the clanbase ladder with irl friendsas I said, go back to vrchat
>>734187604It's something anyone who's played a multiplayer game for any length of time understands. Also they make everything a team game so you can always blame your teammates if you lose and keep trying hoping to find a match with a) teammates that are not retarded or b) a match with enemies that are even more retarded.I stopped playing multiplayer slop when I realized that wins are also almost entirely up to the matchmaking and therefore it's not even a game at that point but rather basically a calculated drip-feed of positive and negative emotions, a treadmill, a slop grind.The reason why people are always so toxic on those games, it's because that's the mentality that keeps them playing.
>>734187604for about the last 20 years, ever since valve turned tf2 into a live service game, almost all online games are just about psychological tricks to make players play for longar and spend more money. the games are not about fun anymore, just extracting attention and wealth from the goycattle
>>734187604nigga who cares about rating, skill level, elo and all that shit, just enjoy one match at a time and if you're not having fun just stop
>>734188203Going back to play CS source servers always feels refreshing, it's like there's a weight off your shoulders because no retarded algorithm is deciding how the game plays out
I used to play these type of games to the point where I was hammering a brick wall with my bare fists because I was so fucking livid, it's retarded, it's silly and it's not fucking worth it.
>>734187604that's crazy bro but me personally i just be throwing all my matches to get to silver 1 so i can toy with all these little newbies like it's my own personal clipfarming sandbox. i'm having f*n
>>734188996post a clip shitter
>>734188149It's like an elaborate slot machine. You are not in control of anything (unlike what these cheating streamer parasites make people to think). Of course Call of Duty and Activision are the forefront of this technology but any popular multiplayer trash do more or less the same.
>>734188053People say this but most of the time you join a call with people playing premade of a game like CS/Dota/League, it's 5 miserable niggas complaining
>>734187604>No multiplayer game actually has balanced mmIsn't it the opposite? Isn't skill based matchmaking forcing everyone to have matches as close to 50/50 as possible?
>>734187604>No multiplayer game actually has balanced mm, because none of them want you to just play the game, have fun, and stop. They want you to feel unsatisfied with your matches so that you always put more time into the game.it's called gambling science 100%. Friendly reminder these games are like casino but instead of money they steal your time hoping that when you spent enough time on them, you buy stuff there it's pretty simple.
>>734190580no because I'm the best player ever but it's the system keeping me down
>>734190412If you don't know 4 other dudes you're in good terms with IRL then it's absolutely atrocious finding people. I miraculously found 4 decent randos a couple years ago but over time they stopped playing CS and just began rping in gmod servers
>>734190698I've met a bunch of chill boomers through acquaintances and now we sometimes have 5v5 LANs
>>734187604>giving you shitty teammates and barely any rating when you win just to make you play longerbro youre supposed to play with your irl friends or internet friends on vc when playing comp. why would you pug?
>>734190698From my experience even dudes that are chill irl become spergy as fuck in games like this most of the time, although there were some exceptions
My grandkids will still be posting about ELO hell even though you have a 1000 examples to choose from of pro players streaming themselves making a smurf account and hitting the top MM rank in like <20 matches across any game with that system
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>>734190737Lucky punk. I'm pressed to even wrangle 3 of my bros these days.
>>734190412>>734190698All it takes for even your close friends to go miserable mode is one bad match. Competitive games are just cancer in general.
>>734187604In my opinion Comp games are just complete dogshit because everyone born after 2000 is a colossal faggot who doesnt know how to communicate or play smart, they just have good aim because they got $4000 PCs instead of joining team sports as kids.Faceit is the best to play because ranks dont decay. Premier ratings reset every 6 months and youre forced to play with retards that made it into your game through sheer dumb luck.
>>734190847>pro players would not cheat at all b--because they get testenLmao retarded goy cattle.
uff ja i hit p
>>734187604This is why you should play Battlefield where the most random shit can happen and you won't get mad.
>>734190639>instead of money they steal your time hoping that when you spent enough time on them, you buy stuff there it's pretty simple.Every multiplayer game now is free but somehow people don't connect the dots that YOU are the product now.
>>734191427>vehicle spamming faggot going 40/0 with nothing I can do about itno I get very upset
>>734187604Just carry 1v9 bro, ez.
Skill-based matchmaking is a meme because players aren't consistently at the same level on a per-match basis
>>734187604Thats why I won't touch a game that doesn't have a server browser
>>734191493I don't think proper SBMM exists anymore
>>734191475You can shoot down helis in BF6 with ARs and tanks are destroyed really easily.
>>734187604Stop caring so much. I team kill whenever I have an indian on my team. I stop giving a shit about my rank but at least I'm not silver so throwing is even more fun.
>>734187814True of basically all multiplayer games even. Matchmaking's reached its inevitable conclusion
>>734187604It's because you're too lazy to git gud. You sneer at people who warm up, refuse to install aim trainers, refuse to learn about edpi, refuse to upgrade refresh rates. Some people are just here to die and you're one of them.
>!cs2 is boring!<
>>734187604>the outcome of multiplayer games depend on other players than yourself
>>734188073every custom CSS server had a ranking system
>>734187604Stop playing MM and use the server browser to play on crackhouse, now the game is fun again.
>>734187604Specifically for CS2, play Casual from time to time as well as Comp. Casual matches literally restore your soul and return you back to the era of just having fun and fucking around in a local server.
i mean you're either good or you're not and you have casual funnsies playing with others against your own track recordnot that complicatedbest game in the world btwpic, feb 22
>>734187743fpbp/thread
>>734191437>Every multiplayer game now is free but somehow people don't connect the dots that YOU are the product now.well it's free because you can reach a wider range of people think like how cheap fast food is compared to going to a 5 star restaurant. There are not many people in the current economy who can afford a full priced game that's 70$
>>734187814>valve lets the server list fill up with fake servers so it's borderline unusable and it's harder to find any community stuff like thatI think they let the fake servers make it unusable on purpose
>>734187604>I feel like modern multiplayer games are designed to leave you perpetually unhappy.Yes. Engagement-optimized Matchmaking (EOMM) is real and it has been proven to be real. This is why I don't touch modern multislop.
>>734188053>>734190412>just become a slave to 4 other dudes' whims so you can "win"I'm convinced multislopper sweat teams do not actually have fun.
>>734190580In theory yes, but in practice all that actually happens is they put you in winners' queue and losers' queue. Winners' queue gets competent teammates, losers' queue gets complete shitters who are ranked way lower than you are. Forced 50/50 is real, it's just achieved in the laziest possible way. You cannot win a losers' queue match. You cannot lose a winners' queue match.
>>734187604You should've realized this when you heard that CoD has a specific type of matchmaking that makes it to where if you even just look at cosmetics, you'll get matched with people that bought those cosmetics to make you buy it, then if you do buy it, you get put in a lower skill matchmaking pool so you don't feel bad for spending $20 on a single dude.
>>734190580The problem is that you can't mathematically balance all games out like that unless you force people to play games like bots.That and the point of games isn't to have "perfectly balanced perfect experiences TM" over and over, the point is having fun with friends.Comp bullshit gets puts games into a death spiral because annoying motherfuckers that nobody wants to play with who optimize all the fun out of a game (because inevitably actually having fun becomes an obstacle to winning and intentionally annoying people so they play worse becomes something they HAVE to do).People are fine with winning and losing, but if you make a system that tries to predetermine this you're cheating people out of actually fun games they could have had regardless of whether or not they won, and the game inevitably has an ego driven death spiral where people don't want to admit the system is antithetical to having a good time because they have a "good rank".And this is all before we get into things like cheating being endemic to online games now.
>>734193640>intentionally missing the point this badlylmao
>>734190580They're more referring to engagement optimized matchmaking, skill based matchmaking is actually closer to what CS has in their comp gamemodes because it's actually possible and pretty easy to climb to the rank you belong in if you don't suck. Call of duty, at least last time I played, will flagrantly throw half of your matches and then retards who don't understand how it works or why it's ruining the game will gaslight you about it
cod>amazing mp back in the mw2 and bo1 days>create a class, tight gameplay, tons of unlocks, killstreaks, prestige, etc.>ruined by cosmetics and horrid menu designbf>awesome mp back in the bf4 and bf1 days>beautiful maps, great weapons and fun vehicles>ruined by low quality content and lack of innovationnow i'm on helldiversbig maps of battlefield and the killstreaks of cod
>>734191228>good players don't exist
>>734202195They do but only people that cheat or know that the people they like cheat would be in abject denial of the reality of online multiplayer gaming or developers absolutely turning a blind eye to their paid marketers cheating.
>>734202195if there's money involved people will cheat that's just the nature of the game retard.
>>734202320>>734202931the cheating industry is a huge problem yeah it's just funny when people that are shit blame things like "elo hell" or think people are cheating when they can't even comprehend what's happening in the game
>>734201565Counter-strike is actually one of the most balanced/natural multiplayer games, where it comes to matchmaking. It's not pure SBMM though. There hasn't been such a thing as a real "silver lobby" in at least 10 years.
>>734187604competitive games ruined fun fps games, people care too much about rank instead of enjoying.
>>734187814>all zombie servers are slop now, builderbase extinct , escape unheard of. brootal at least in the eu
>>734201565>the rank you belong inwhat the fuck jewish shit does this mean. so rather than tournaments and real actual games mattering if you become a professional, your career depends on some jewish matchmaking system? im not sorry matchmaking has been the worst thing to happen to gaming ever and there is never any point to leave my room despite playing a social pvp game that involves me never leaving my room, but hey if I want to play competitively, that should mean real life tournaments and shit, but theres fucking nothing cause all we have is this matchmaking garbage.
>>734206567for cs people use 3rd party matchmaking services and you can get noticed that way if you're trying to be a profag, but it's a whole other ecosystem when it comes to pro play
>>734207353no thats just another excuse to never leave your room, I know its a hobby of never leaving your room but thats not an excuse for there to be no real life excursions you have to make to play your hobby at a professional level or get real world experience. also you're still dealing with ping and other shit, you're still dealing with people on their own personal hardware. 3rd party matchmaking lmao fucking people paying to do more of the same shit that you get with the game what a fucking joke
>>734192481SAAR, DO NOT REDEEM
>>734207572wtf are you talking about
>>734210270fucking pinball players get more social real life tournaments than anyone that plays fps games. matchmaking has gutted any community aspect of gaming other than super smash fags and if there are any others that hold locals. LOOK AT MY IM GM RANK I PLAYED WITH MY OTHER GOOD FRIEND AND WE EASILY WIN THE GAMES. or IM A PRO GAMER WITH 18000+ HOURS OF TOURNAMENT PLAY AND LOOK AT ME SMURF ON THESE IDIOT SILVER RANK NOOBS THAT ARENT AS GOOD AS I
>complain about mm>complain about elo hell>complain about shitty teammatesIf only there were 1v1 games where you could avoid all of those things. If only RTS and fighting games existed.But you won't play them because your ego prefers to blame others instead of yourself
>>734187604Just play old games…TF2, quake, halo mcc, etc are all perfectly fine. No sbmm bullshit just fun. There are sooo many good games to play you just need to stop playing hypermodern sloppa. There is no point in playing any of the big new games, they’re all specifically designed to entice you into spending on mtx and shit, or have sbmm forced 50 no-fun allowed gameplay. I can’t think of a single shooter from the past 5 years that’s worth playing. I’d rather play StarCraft 2 custom matches or hop on an mmo for a bit. Games are no longer made by gamers who want to make fun games. Stop caring about or playing the current thing an play what you find fun. If game is not fun then turn game off
>>734212691I have been playing diablo 2 with the new expansion and its been fun, only if I get bored of farming do I go and play some marvel rivals and 90% of the matches have been straight fucking ass, shit compositions, intentional trolling and I can't for the life of me put up a performance enough to carry without someone else on the team carrying a little of the weight
>>734187604Mute the lobby and focus on getting frags and carrying the team. Basically radar info will be sufficient 90% of the time and most players are very predictable anyway. You will rarely find a lobby where everyone is actively working together as a team and is giving good info, let alone speak English. Especially nowadays, where you get premades who talk to each other in discord 99% of the time. Or better yet, stop wasting your time with comp cancer, you won't gain anything from winning or losing.
>>734212585I know this is an excuse but those games are played exclusively by oldGODS today. You'll be struggling with cheese or straight up get out skilled by people who played those games for 2 decades.Easier to get into a game and become good when you are there at the beginning with fellow noobs. No one sane will go through painful newbie and middle skill experience just to git gud at those games. They are only worth playing if you are already good because you played them since 2000s at earliest.Out of those two fighting games are the most sane option imo. At least the games are short unlike RTS where you go through long games where a single factor can decide something. Playing RTS games feels like getting cucked out of your time just like any competitive slop. And eventually even if you become god of gods shit like RPS randomly deciding games (think opening gambits, think lucky/unlucky scouts etc/think looking away at a bad time etc.) is inescapable. At least in a fighting game a single match time investment is low so even if you get screwed over by some BS just get into another game.Overall comp games are waste of time. Players should just stop being stupid and getting sweaty over games and hold back when there are noobs at the other team. We are playing games at the end of the day. The moment you start playing games to win and not for lulz you already lost.
>>734215631You can become better than 75% of rts players just by learning a few builds
>>734215771I think 75% is a bit of an exaggeration
>>734215771>learn build>gets countered by [build #674828] that you never heard ofThere's no other way other than spend time and 70% of that time will be miserable
>>734212585it's not really possible to break into the 1v1 genre because you're fighting against people with 30 years of mechanical skill built in, the community is aged out as fuck and studios will keep making their games because they keep buying them, they dont care about onboarding new players.
>>734187604>If you are bad, they give you impossible matchups>but if you are good, they give you impossible matchups>they give everyone impossible matchups!!!I always knew the guys on the other teams are just bots pretending to be human. Otherwise, there would be people who are actually winning games. And since that isn't you, since you are the best, clearly , nobody is winning! ELOHELL HELOHELL HELOHELL
csgo's only fuckup was the absolutely dogshit ranking that required you to>use third party software to single out regular matchmaking regions with semi-human individuals>win 11 matches to rank up, lest you lose 1-2 and derank instantlyother than that there's no egregious EOMM/forced 50% bs, especially with cs2's premier system. it's an even distribution of shitters/cheaters unlike other games
>>734187814source kid
>make a barebones barbaric ranked system that doesn't account for shitters ruining games>well, at least you can ensure self-moderation through the tribunal>game's big enough so you tack on dynamic queue and remove tribunal>while you're at it, you also implement forced 50% wr and loser's queue in case of climbing for player retention and division skips and riot accounts for disgusting OTP streamers>bleed the game over years>plandemic revives lol with a lot riding on arcane and other projects>game's so shit you bend over backwards to modernize the ranked mode and the gameplay and add various nifty bells and whistles, but never tackle the actually nefarious shit you did to it>have tencent dick so far up your ass you refuse to remove the actually nefarious shit and outright just give people +30/-10 lp per match as consolation
https://store.steampowered.com/app/4465480/CounterStrike_Global_Offensive/
It's mostly being bad feels bad. Being against a good CS player feels absolutely insurmountable. Me and my friend group recently gave it another shot after like 8 years and players in what should be insanely low elo only need to see your head for a small handful of frames before they can oneshot you. And it's like why the hell are you down here in the shitter lobby, why isn't there some breathing room for us to climb ranks at all before getting sent to the meat grinder?
>>734187743>Life is designed to leave you perpetually unhappyAs much as there exist purely contemporary problems, let's not pretend life was ever good.
>>734224052Boosters and just good players playing with their shitter friends.
>>734187814I miss 1.6 surfing maps with goldsrc movement.
