>was one of the biggest indie platformers of all time>fades into obscurity What the fuck happened?
>>734193129it's lowkey a really shit game
>>734193129edmund doesn't own it anymore
>>734193284/threadTommy Refenes killed the brand
>>734193129Tommy is a kike
>>734193129super meat boy lost to project Nortubel
>>734193129It was good shovelware as it should have been unlike the glorified trash that we get today
Did the 3d one ever come out? I thhnk there was a demo, was it any good?
>muscle memory: the game
I had fun with the game on its original release but years later when it got re released on psn as a ps plus free game i replayed it and the soundtrack was suddenly completely different and worse. And i just realized the music was carrying the entire game and its just not very good on its own.
>>734194843Yeah the music is really good.
>>734193129>Sequel is autorunning mobile slop released only on EGS for PC for a while>next game is some 3d whatever
>>734193129It just happens. Machinarium was very popular at the time, and now has been forgotten.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jex5rtwx94k>>734193679NTA. Edmund let it go because he knew it was meant to be a one-off project, and nothing more.
>>734193129Who cares? SMB is over rated anyway.
>>734194843The original artist had a tism fit and forbid them to keep using the original soundtrack for future releases.
>>734196571>Edmund let it goFalse, Edmund wanted to retain the IP as its deeply personal to him (meatboy was based on himself, bandage girl is based on his wife), but after a legal battle Tommy was able to keep the rights under his own company. Edmund is still clearly bitter about it if you look at videos & interviews he's done, but always speaks carefully to avoid legal problems as Tommy is quite litigious over it.
>>734196571Machinarium is still amazing. Not everything needs to have more games, a webcomic and a GaaS sequel.
>>734196775imagine being such a bitch as raped as tommy, embarrassingi believe that the throbbing king is a direct diss towards him, there's a reason you need a meat cube and a leech to enter his domain
>>734196775Fair enough. With that said, did Edmund have plans to keep making new SMB games?
>>734197461>i believe that the throbbing king is a direct diss towards himOh it almost certainly is, especially with those lyrics lmfao
>>734193129The original game is a freaking masterpiece, OST is perfect and gameplay is on point.After Edmund left, they basically had no idea what to do with it and turned it into a runner, basically killing the brand.Meanwhile he did a spiritual sequel in "the end is night" which is very meh, but blew up with Binding and now Mewgenics.
>>734197467>did Edmund have plans to keep making new SMB games?Before Edmund left Team Meat, he was working with Tommy on Meat Boy Forever, although Edmund was more passionate about Mewgenics and Camdrone at the time. Tommy cancelled Mewgenics without even informing Edmund of its cancellation, which is likely the catalyst that lead to Edmund leaving the company and the legal battle over Meat Boy began. Team Meat technically owned the rights to Mewgenics too, but Edmund bought it off them as he saw potential in the project that Tommy didn't. Edmund has said before that he'd love to revisit the Meat Boy IP, but that he's generally against direct sequels; he considers all of his games to be connected in some way and is frustrated that he is unable to use the Meat Boy IP or any of its characters anymore, and you can really feel that in Mewgenics. The End is Nigh is about as close as you can get to a Meat Boy sequel.
>>734197467The End is Nigh is a game that Ed has been very transparent about it being a spiteful lamenting about how he will never be able to make a Meat Boy game ever again, as it was in active development when the Team Meat split was happening.
>wtf why are there no active discussions about a 15 year old single player gamewhy is /v/ like this
>>734197848>he is unawarethe fact you don't even know it has 2 sequels perfectly demonstrates how badly the IP has been handled.
I fully understand Tommy's mindset of wanting to not take risks and to just rest on the laurels of a successful brand, but he's learned the hard way that a singular commercial success does not make a strong brand that can be milked. It needs passion to continue driving it both on the developer's side and the player's, and Edmund was that driving creative force, especially after the online portal for SMB became unusable and leaderboards became useless. All that was left was people doing their own personal playthroughs and a handful of people doing any% speedruns that abused massive glitches.
Game is ez
Tommy Refenes is a dickhead retard
>>734193129McMillen is now known as the Binding of Isaac guy. If you want a game that isn't glorified gambling, you don't look to him.
>>734197686>>734197704Touché.
>>734193129What was this game's deal anyway? Is it just me or was this game in deep shit at one point? If yes then can any anon give me a qrd?
>>734193129Meat Boy 2 was pretty bad. The auto running was fine, but I hated the bosses and the punching mechanic.I hope 3 is better.
>>734193129No Ed, no soul
Edmund is a cringe millenial chungus and I deeply hate his style, but this game really is a platforming masterpiece
>>734198815LOL
>>734198890That's because edmund wasn't responsible for that part of the game.
>>734198890The End is Nigh is better desu
>>734197704>Basless claim>no sourcesEvery. Single. Time.
>>734198974What?yes he was, he was the game designer and level designer
>>734199469And he wasn't responsible for the gameplay feeling great.Tommy was.Original Meat Boy controls like shit, it didnt get good until Tommy worked on it.
>>734199528Tommy is that you?Both the sequels control like ass since Edmund left, meanwhile TEiN has solid controls and good level design.
>>734193129There was literally nothing else to play back then.
>>734199620>Both the sequels control like ass since Edmund leftI blame Kyle Pulver. He was given a big role in the game and I don't know why.Tommy's game design is way stronger than Kyle's >Both the sequelsIs meat boy 3 out?
>>734199414How are you still incapable of finding the source you want when it takes 5 seconds on Google?https://www.gamedeveloper.com/design/punishing-difficulty-conveys-a-personal-story-in-i-the-end-is-nigh-i->"Just when it seemed like the end was in sight, something else would come up and drop me even lower than I already was. The End is Nigh started as an exploration of this, but as it unfolded, it really became a story about my personal struggle with game development, my obsession with my work, and how it affects my family."
>>734199736>Is meat boy 3 out?There's a demo for meat boy 3d, it's meant to be releasing Q1 2026 but afaik there's been no news this year.
>>734199774Literally no part of that article says or implies this was a "spiteful lamenting about how he will never be able to make a Meat Boy game ever again"
>>734199790Oh neat, I'll try it out.
>>734193129Contrarian /v/tards made a few memes and suddenly every idiot gamer hates what this game did to its genre.
>>734197686I hope Tommy is seething that the game he abandoned years ago became a massive success without him.
>>734199864Kind of your own fault for not paying attention to anything Ed has said over the past 10 years or so.He avoids talking in depth about certain subjects due to fear of litigation from Tommy (an NDA was absolutely signed as part of his departure and the IP of Mewgenics being transferred to him), but when talking about his own work independent of Team Meat he makes it very clear how personal SMB was.
>>734200158I hope SMB 3D and any future projects he makes flop so the IP goes back to Edmund one day
>>734194307It's not out yet. Wikipedia says Q1 2026 for the release date so I guess we can expect a release or delay announcement soon.
>>734200218>Can't prove his own claims true>"i-i-ITS YOUR FAULT I CAN'T DO IT!!!"Settle down, kid.Until you prove your own claims to be true, you lose.
>>734198815>no way that's real>it is
>>734197461>i believe that the throbbing king is a direct diss towards himkek I love how bitter Ed McMillen can be. Like how Judas wears a fez in binding of isaac because Phil Fish promised he would vote for Isaac at an indie game awards show, but then voted for something else instead.
>>734194307It's just a Ben & Ed reskin, same developers too.
>>734197461>i believe that the throbbing king is a direct diss towards himI don't see it.
>>734200489>why oh why does he bleed us dry?>he'll steal your parts, he has no soooooooooul>thought he had it made, taking the best parts of us>nothing worked as it should>served him right, theiving around in the dark of night>one of the enemies in the zone is a cube on legs named Flesh LadThe subtext is so obvious that you'd have to be willingly not reading it to not see how much is written between the lines.
They released an absolute fucking dogshit autorunner which tainted the brand.
>>734200715That's a biiiig stretch.
>>734194843>And i just realized the music was carrying the entire gameThat's platformers in general. Good music is fucking key to the enjoyment of them. The mechanical grunge to DannyB's soundtrack was perfectly suited to the mood and tone of Super Meat Boy, vs. whatever the shit was that the PS4/Vita version had.
>>734201069For you
>>734202618What do you mean, retard?
>>734198815Oh my fucking god.
>>734200348NTA but here:https://www.tiktok.com/@edmundmcmillen/video/7203762090388213038andhttps://x.com/edmundmcmillen/status/1347091901363625985https://x.com/edmundmcmillen/status/1980326939102675416https://x.com/edmundmcmillen/status/1286447256934076416alsohttps://www.youtube.com/live/Vpl7Qw4ZnZk?si=TVNnRGBhPlazqWfL&t=4720https://www.youtube.com/live/VXHSbJkcvdo?si=pSp0zQtDlkjCNKE1&t=3717You can hear the frustration in Edmund's voice and choice of words. There's also been many instances (on twitter mainly) where people have asked him lore details about meat boy and he's unable to answer them for fear of legal trouble. He's gone on record a few times saying that TEiN's development period was a low point for him, and feeling the loss of the meat boy IP lead to him feeling like his own world was ending, hence the namesake for TEiN and its obvious meat boy parrallels.I also don't like your snarky faggot attitude.
>>734203792I find it funny how for the time that the game was relevant people were calling TEiN a "Meatboy" clone when it was made by the same fucking creator of SMB.
>>734201069>>734200489Why else is throbbing king in the game?No, seriously, I cannot think of any other reason to include this brand new character that has otherwise no relation with mewgenics, cats, or the world the game takes place in. On top of the fact the throbbing king appears in a meat-themed area of the game (which the game makes several nods to it being the "not-meatboy area" *wink wink*, via some dialog). It's absolutely in Edmund's petty sense of humor to put in the throbbing king as a way to indirectly slander Tommy in a way that would not be legally identifiable as Tommy.
>>734204585Edmund should put a drawing of a cat shitting on a picture of Tommy in the game's files.
>>734204819Tommy is too litigious to risk anything that obvious.
Ed knew. He drew this over a decade ago.
>>734193129>this single player game from 26+ years ago with no new update isn't talked about much anymore as it was on release why is that?I don't know maybe because they aren't Fortnite or Minecraft and not all games need to exist for 1,000 years? Meanwhile a bunch of this thread is anons making up their own headcanon saying the devs got into some fanfiction story where one fucked the other's wife or some shit because they can't comprehend "maybe a person just wants to do something different".
>>734206545ironic that you made up your own headcanon of what the thread was actually discussing
so it meat boy 3d actually coming out or what?
>>734208360Sometime this year. Go play the demo.
>>734194843Same for me, and add Isaaac into the pile as well.
>>734193129The main dev made a spiritual sequel and a much better game.It feels like an IWBTG fangame and I mean this as praise.
>>734208654>finally get Isaac with native controller support and can actually sustain 60fps>graphics & music downgradedShit is Monkey's Paw, even though Rebirth and subsequent add-ons game me some fucking room variety.
>>734208975>3105 reviews over the course of nearly 9 yearsI'm surprised I'm only hearing about this game now. Zero marketing I guess?
>>734200454Oh that's the reason? I thought it was just a cute reference that's amazing.
>>734209120Little to no marketing + came out around 2017, guess what game became insanely popular in 2017?
>>734208975>>734209120i had no idea this existed until mewgenics came out. steakmund got really good at marketing.>>734209002rebirth is an upgrade but god damn the music is boring
>>734209120Negative marketing but without getting into spoilers it's heavily talked about in Mewgenics, I wouldn't be surprised if the game gets a small spike in sells
>>734209238Outside of FFXII's HD re-release, the game came out in a window where nothing notable was released, unless you were a Nintenkid waiting on Splatoon 2 a couple weeks later.Also god damn, looking at the wiki, 2017 was a pretty loaded year for decent games of the non-f2p variety.
>>734209120The End is Nigh was a quick rework from a cancelled Time Fcuk sequel called Ouroboros, so it basically came out of nowhere and had almost no marketing.By the way, the reason Ouroboros was cancelled and reworked was because literally every single playtester was getting motion sickness from it.
>>734205798Accurate
>>734201069you got me, good bait.
>>734193129Ha, you think that's bad? Remember Braid? Remember Fez? I remember when these games were supposedly groundbreaking, now they're just retro games from a time when indies were still experimenting with basic concepts. Is there any small indie game from that time period that's still remembered? Does Isaac count?
>>734209932>Remember BraidYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
>>734209932i'm glad that we're out of that pretentious indie game phase. i don't think isaac really counts since that game is the reason why all indie games are roguelites.
>>734209932Castle Crashers?
>>734209932Braid benefitted from being on Xbox Live when people were desperate for anything on it. If Jonathan Blow kept releasing games at that pace, he could have maintained relevance. Fez benefitted because Indie Game the Movie worked as effective advertising.
>>734209002I played a bunch of rebirth on god knows what system that isn't steam (vita I think?) when it released and just like SMB, I quickly realized that the game isn't really that fun without the original soundtrack on the background. I have it on steam because of random bundle #234 and haven't even bothered playing it there. And if I ever do I'll quickly mod the soundtrack in.On that matter, Danny composed for crypt of the necrodancer that I recommend to anyone that enjoyed his stuff (but I got immensely omega turbo filtered with the extra characters)
>>734193129>What the fuck happened?People who played Meatboy grew upset and frustrated with trying to chase perfection. People who don't play games and instead watch them, grew disinterested from overexposure, and could feel the disdain in whatever streamers they were watching playing it.
>>734196775Was this related to Danny not allowing his music to be used in the game's late release on Sony platforms?
*cough*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2qOj1gD38ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q04vziO1vwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZOf5W5Zx-Yhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6caLNRWJuf0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TilPeqx7Fl8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX6R1Uy9q1c
having a falling out with the guy who actually made the game not suck will probably do that to your franchise
>>734211760If Tommy made the game good, then why are all his attempts at sequels without Ed complete dogshit?
>>734211848Disregard that. I can't read.
>>734210348Is it wrong that I'm kind of nostalgic for the time when indie devs were artistic types at least pretending that their games had something meaningful to say? compared to modern day's glut of 1:1 vampire survivor/balatro clones that are focused purely on farming dopamine and stealing concepts from actual slot machines in an attempt to be as addictive as possible.Obviously the former kind of game is still getting made, but they rarely get the same kind of spotlight as the latter.
>>734210746Fez also benefited from eceleb coverage. Northernlion was probably the most popular indie youtuber at the time and he was hyping up Fez a lot. I don't think he was ever going to be able to remain relevant though. Phil Fish was so hateable and smug.
>>734210746Braid was only notable for being the first $15 XBLA title.>>734212238Phil at least kept to his standards, to the point of cancelling something he announced just to not deal with the bullshit that is journalists you're not sucking up to.
>>73419312916 years passed, that's what happened
>>734212493https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuDqraUlUcM
I like the demo for the new 3D game, but its artstyle is laughable and demonstrates how important Edmund's role was. Without him, Tommy treats the franchise way too seriously and shaves off the indie look which defined the original game.
>>734212578He was right about Japan being five years behind in the gaming industry, which still holds true to today.
how is steakmund so kino
>>734212824I don't why Edmund and The Behemoth never teamed up. Their art styles and game sense would mesh pretty well.
>>734196571Another indie game that faded into obscurity is Antichamber.It was super popular at the time, but when was the last time you heard anyone so much as mention it?
>>734212824I like him as an artist more than a game designer tbhdesufam
>>734212890I don't even know what The Behemoth is even trying to do at this point, they've released flop after flop since Battleblock that the most success they've had in years is a Castle Crashers DLC. At this point they should just make an expansion to Castle Crashers (not a full new game seeing what happened to Alien Hominid Invasion).
>>734209932Bastion and Spelunky
>>734193129>durrr every great game is not popular at all times forever?!?!!? wtf?!!?!?fucking retard.
>>734212949It's almost like every one-and-done single-player indie game doesn't have anyone talking about it 5 years after the fact anon.
Celeste basically made Super Meat Boy redundant. It's better in every single way.
>>734209932>Is there any small indie game from that time period that's still remembered?Does Project Zomboid count? Even though it's been in beta for over a literal decade and a half from its time on Desura.
>>734212949Last month. I mentioned it in a "post image get game" thread in response to a screencap from the music video for Once in a Lifetime>and you may ask yourself...how did I get here?
>>734211951NTA but I dislike it because it all stems from the "Games are Art", I can laugh at that pretentious devs now, but I understand that they felt insecure that their hobby wasn't being taken seriously, and they wanted to show how meaningful it was. But they did it in the most cliche way. When you're art is made with the point of it have meaning, that's when it becomes pretentious. Art is everything and nothing, but honest art is sincere. It's made without an agenda or narrative to push.Nowadays people don't argue about whether games are or aren't art anymore, because it doesn't matter. It's not that people don't take videogames seriously anymore... they take it way too seriously now. The agenda changed from "Art for Art's sake" to politics and DEI. People care more about the meta-narrative of "Whose this game for?" rather than "Is the game fun?"I think part of Edmund's success is that he's not a pretentious artist. His games have a meaning to him, but he's not making them to explain that, he's making them to be fun. A fun game means more to people than the most beautiful, artistic walking simulator.
>>734197686>Tommy cancelled Mewgenics without even informing Edmund of its cancellationI still am convinced that karma is real.
>>734213296Super Meat Boy isn't made by someone with an axewound so I think I'll stick with it
>>734201069me to my cat every day
>>734213296I prefer Meat Boy's stage approach than "le open world".
>>734197628first two paragraphs true, third false
>>734211951>Is it wrong that I'm kind of nostalgic for the time when indie devs were artistic types at least pretending that their games had something meaningful to say?There are still meaningful games coming out, but there is also a lot of slop as indie dev is way more accessible and everyone chases the get rich pill/next big thing.
>>734210746>If Jonathan Blow kept releasing games at that pace, he could have maintained relevance.eh, The Witness is a lot more relevant than Braid these days.
>>734193129Does anyone else have the following problem with indie games? The characters look fucking lame as shit. I don't care how revolutionary your game is if the characters look dumb or lame I'm not interested in buying. I need for the characters to look competently designed like Cuphead or Freedom Planet at the minimum. I just can't get into indie gaming because they design some of the worst characters I've ever seen.It's amazing how ugly indie characters are. Maybe sometimes ugly characters like in Undertale and Deltarune hit it big but those are flukes and these are also terrible games.
>>734213728I think you have a problem with being retarded. Go back to playing gacha and let the adults have their thread.
>>734213296It's not.>visuals looks worse>no multiple playable characters>no bosses>story is cringe
reminder that dannyb is a faggot greedy cunt>https://dannybstyle.blogspot.com/2015/10/regarding-my-super-meat-boy-soundtrack.html>"I didn't feel like the license fee and exposure through PSN they offered was enough to make me seriously consider accepting the deal."
>>734198815trannies are without a doubt the worst subhumans on the planet
>>734214193In other words, he was pitched shitty royalties rather than an upfront payment to use what is arguably the soul of the game.
>>734198890nah you're just a cringe incel chud psyopped into trad larpery which includes throwing a fit over hecking blood and poops like a girl
>>734213296true, but that's not the point of the thread
>>734199960the whole notion is retarded. "durr it killed the genre". No, it's shithead devs with 0 talent making bland clones is what kills the genres and that still doesnt kill the genre, it just means you should play the GOOD GAMES
>>734214416>>734214193I think it's important to point out that DannyB was pissed off that Edmund used Ridiculon for Mewgenics, and refused to work with Edmund ever again. Meanwhile, Mewgenics has the most talked OST I've ever seen, not counting just individual hits, but entire soundtracks.
>>734208975>It feels like an IWBTG fangame and I mean this as praise.IWBTG is shit though
>>734215156That just means DannyB is likely free for me to pitch my game at when it's in more of a state to need real music vs. my placeholder shit.
>>734214405The subhumanity of this thing is intense.If it's a zippertits, why does it have long hair and nails?
>>734197461>imagine being such a bitch as raped as tommy, embarrassingI don't know a single person who has worked with that many people and has burned as many bridges as Edmund has. He is completely incapable of seeing people as partners, which is why his wife is a retard that barely graduated high school and has no career or skills of her own. The only reason he's been working with Tyler for this long is because he's treated him as an employee since day one.
>>734213363>honest art is sincere. It's made without an agenda or narrative to push.You contradicted yourself in 15 words, amazing.
>>734215370some trannies give up on trying to "pass", it's completely retarded that she went as far as chopping her tits but doesn't want to try to look masculine, but she's obviously mentally ill so we can't expect her to make sense
>>734212949always thought this game was fucking ugly and incredibly pretentious
>>734198890Yeah but he's the peak kino of cringe millenial chungus
>>734215898It can't be helped, autists with grand visions have trouble with people relations
>>734215898As far as I know Ed has only burned bridges with Danny and Tommy, he's in good terms with every other developer or coder he worked with.
>>734218672>and incredibly pretentioushow in the world is it pretentious? Do you even know what that word means
>>734220126Do you not remember all the pretentious signs everywhere in the game?
>>734220093>he's in good terms with every other developer or coder he worked withHahahahaha Zoomers don't know the old Edmund lore
>>734215898to be fair, Edmund is extremely autistic
>>734220381Name the rest then.
>>734220093Nah, he also burned bridges with that IGF clique he was in with Phil Fish.
>>734220492>spoonfeed me daddyNo
>>734215898Isn't Edmund himself a highschool dropout?
>>734220758Did he work with them though? I mean everyone already hates Phil Fish and I don't think they ever worked on anything together, they were just in the same documentary.>>734220815So you can't name them, got it.
>>734221126>So you can't name themBecause it was over 15 years ago, retard. Why do you think he has a new programmer on every single project?
>>734212949the guy is working on a new game right nowhttps://x.com/Demruth/status/1702888276464734596
>>7341931292015 happened
>>734221695He started working with Tyler way earlier than he started working with Tommy, Florian also did a bunch of programming for him in the past and they're still on good terms.The other one-ofs like the flash Meat Boy programmer were very secretive, but from what we know and what Ed says, those were really just meant to be one-of things anyway.
Genuinely though Ed was less salty now when I saw this, but I guess not really?https://x.com/edmundmcmillen/status/2003180374428647712
>>734220758...why wouldn't he want to burn bridges with those guys? they're exactly the pretentious indie devs we were talking about earlier.
Best damn track in the gamehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEUGevnki-g
>>734212663I liked the demo but those fancy graphics just make there be too much visual noise. I lost track of my character a few times because of it
