Wait, he's actually right, this is deeper than we thought.
HIGHGUARDIANS CHAAAAAAAAAAAA-AAAAAAAACCCCCCCKKKKK!!!!!!!!
>>734235696nah, they are just DEI hires who don't understand the industry they are in AT ALL and don't even play games in their free time. They are complete and utter posers and don't deserve to be employed but because of blackrock investment ESG mandates they exist. Simple as.
>>734235696>It's just sucks for the developers????Try to make a better game?
>>734235779Anon?! ANON!!
>NOOOOO ITS A LOTTERY TO JUST MAKE A GOOD GAME
Those poor devs... *weeps homosexually* they're FORCED to make slop!
>>734235851I thought they were guys from IW/Respawn who worked on CoD, Apex, and Titanfall.
>>734235947i mean it is kinda true, there are plenty of good games who dont make a gazillion dollars because of them being niche, like i love the concepts of games like Half-Sword or We Who Are About To Die but I know most people dont really give a fuck about a gladiator/tournament game with physics based movement.Highguard didnt really do itself favors by being ass tho
>>734235696He's not right. There is not a 5% chance of Concord taking off. There is not a 5% chance of Highguard taking off. They are not gambling. They are embezzling.The truth is that they were making games that were funded with money/grants from companies who insist on "social change" and cover development costs to prevent companies from recoiling due to losses. These developers simultaneously get tax breaks by unreleasing games or otherwise declaring them failures for various silly reasons, shaving hundreds of millions from their tax payments each year, breaking the basic chain of developing products for customers and taking a risk in the process.This isn't really confusing and it's not conjecture as we've had all of the documents pass in front of us. Big companies who make this shit don't make video games. They make advanced embezzling schemes.
>>734236818good post
>>734237385Why are they doing this though? Why spend all this money? I refuse to believe these assholes who have more money than God would be willing to burn billions just to "effect positive change"
>>734235696cope
>>734236818>grants from companies who insist on "social change">"social change"But, why?
>>734235851this team is whiter than /v/, what do you mean by 'DEI hires'
>>734237659But what did they say to him? WHAT WAS SAID!?!
>>734237715because your country is not gonna welcome 5 million new indians per year without a social change
>>734237715jews want to wreck the planet for everyone else
>>734235696This is how shitty horror movies work but it's not how games work. There have been almost no intentional megahits outside of freak indie games and pre-established, successful game studios. I can't think of a single instance where funding some random hasbeens resulted in anything but failure.
>>734235696It's dei fagshit. Its that simple. Nor even faggot nigger leftists buy this trash
>>734237752the gay orgies in that office must be amazing
>>734236028Yeah, the people who got fired for being fuckin useless
>>734237815But please understand Saar, Bharatis are elite human capital! They work hard and intgrate saar please do the needfil and understand saar, Shieks are bro teir saaar!
>>734235696>he's actually rightin a vacuum, these cannot capture the audience they seek to capturecall of duty has lower player numbers than it has ever had, and they're not able to get that former call of duty audience with these gamesthey fail, because they are non-viable product
>>734236818Neither the tax break or DEI/government funding angle make sense to me. In both cases you are wasting more money than you are gaining. I just think these games were funded by clueless boomers who saw the game industry growing at an accelerated pace and they had acess to cheap money they were willing to throw around. Cheap money dried up, many losses later and now the game industry is toxic and nobody wants to touch it.
>>734235696He's right as far as that being their strategy. But if someone is picking lottery numbers outside of the eligible ones, you should point that out to them, and is relevant.
Maybe game developers shouldn't rely on outside investment that controls the type of game they make.
>>734237515>"new video games are gay woke shit, i'mma vote for Trump! MAGA!">Iran is burning, America is fighting a new middle eastern forever war for IsraelI dunno exactly but it looks like it all worked out perfectly for them.
>>734237515its called gamblingexcept the RNG system is realityyou can't cheat reality
>>734236818well no, thats not what happened with concord, per say.With concord the ORIGINAL company, Probablymonsters, KNEW the game was a piece of shit halfway through.Their business was in SELLING the game and the team building it halfway through development to a sucker in a package deal.They struck the motherload and swindled some moron at Sony with concord, selling off firewalk studios successfully.
>posting your own account to hopefully farm a mcdonalds cheeseburgerKys nigger faggot
>>734238251>Neither the tax break or DEI/government funding angle make sense to me. In both cases you are wasting more money than you are gainingGovernment is operating at the level where money is just paper, they don’t care they’ll throw infinite money to try and get the desired social outcomes
>>7342383124 days, cope
>>734235696Not that deep.
>>734238251Like negative gearingThis failed but we can right ut off becauae we iver-inflated what we said ita worth and spent on it and now I have a 400 million tax write off
>>734238729
>>734238740This reminds me of that bell curve meme that was big a few years back. I think the issue with midwits is they can’t handle a large influx. They just end up coping and saying how everything is more complex than it seems because it’s too hard for them to just go through everything and slowly weed out the bullshit and piece the rest together.
>>734238760I dont think that's how it works, you can't just claim you lost something worth 1 billion dollars and not pay taxes. Maybe the system really is that broken but it seems to me that you would have to prove what you spent
>>734235696>$50mThese are $150m to $250m bets being made. Highguard cost nine figs (probably $125m by some estimates). A $50m game would be something AA with a team of maybe 25-30 people, not these bloated 150+ teams taking five years.
>>734235696Gambling is random. Unless you're card counting, you have literally no way of knowing whether you're likely to draw a good card or a bad card.Releasing a product with a market is not random. The west has a major problem with terrible character designs, writing, and art direction, and the gameplay loop of this game breaks your tempo and is monotonous. Even a relative beginner in team PvP games could have taken a red pen to the problems that killed this game (mystery meat poster boy with stupid hair, 3v3 in a wide open space, two minute breaks between combat phases, etc.).>You just want to jack off and engage in your escapist male fantasies! Ugh, I wish I worked in movies! Games are so stupid! I need to take a dick up my ass right now!See, it's not like the industry drew names out of a hat when they hired these people. That would be gambling. This was a choice with a predictable outcome. People who don't know what they're doing could have had the humility to step aside and left the planning and development up to someone with the expertise to understand the audience, understand the genre, and recognize a bad dev, along with having the spine to combat toxic positivity and an adult daycare environment. They chose this instead.
>>734235696Game development is not a fucking lottery.
>>734236818>There is not a 5% chance of Concord taking off. There is not a 5% chance of Highguard taking off.Amerilard reading comprehension. He's talking about live service shit as a whole.
>>734239314doesnt really matter, its pennies to the investors>but why not just make a good game that makes a steady budget?they dont want that, they want to gamble and hit it big. the fact that 80% of the thread is arguing against the point in OP shows how low IQ this board really is
>>734235851It's the investors too, saw this shit with MMOs before and even some single player games like Thief 2014 where they actually somehow thought a pure stealth game would be worth that kind of investment and expected it to sell 4-5 million copies. None of the retards calling shots have a clue and either the people working for them don't or are just yes men.
>>734237515Jews are a race of schizophrenics doing race war.
>>734235696>Investors spend BILLIONS gambling>It sucks for the developers that GET PAID those BILLIONS>It was a 50/50 chance whether or not the game they made was good or not because... BECAUSE IT JUST IS, OKAY?! Fucking retard...
>>734239636t.
>>734239306You are rightThe goy cannot
>>734235696If the market were random, you wouldn't have studios that release hit after hit vs. studios who do nothing but lose. Even world-class gamblers lose to people who literally started playing less than a week ago. That's what a randomized activity looks like.They just don't like what the market is telling them.
>>734235696>It just sucks for the developerslol fuck those subhumans who create mind-numbing time-wasting "games" to rape normies' brains. live service slop should be illegal.
>>734237752looks like s_o_y redditors
>>734235696>It just sucks for developersAren't they the ones making the game nobody wants?
>>734239636from an outsider perspective, yesthe only premise these games are hinging on is producing a future cashcow GaaS game with a relatively small budget (for AAA), going perfectly by the books, with every decision being picked to play around statistics, rather than having any real vision or talent being poured onto it.the train of thought behind all the retarded choices from the directors are>oh! LGBT characters are popular with today's youth! I should put gay black obese women so they feel represented! this is what that nice mr blackrock sweet baby inc man told me is what they like!if they were games directed by a retard with talent and a with a vision instead of financially motivated millenial golems (who only landed the job because they knew a guy who knew a guy), it'd be more like>im so horny right now. im gonna put my barely disguised fetish in my new game. that's right i fucking love fat lesbians and bara kaijus bro. im even gonna make her a primary antagonist so there's lots of memes and porn if the game gets popular. holy SHIT im such a FREAK!simply put, effort doesn't compensate for a lack of passion and cloudy vision from the developers. unless youre just making a roblox game or some shit idk then kids will gobble that shit up like crazy
>>734235851they understand they just hate you
>>734235947fucking kek they really do be saying that
>>734237752The people in your image
>>734235696people doom about our future ai overlords when we're already enslaved to laws that got passed decades ago from lobbying efforts by a tech company to get a better quarter
Didn't the head of the studio delete all his social media, leave the studio and run off with their money? lul can't wait to see that dude get hired to be the lead dev of some other sameslop hero shooter extraction game since copypasta failure is rewarded in the vidya industry.
>>734235696but they wasted almost half a billion in concord
>>734235696I swear if I could pay for these devs to suffer I would do it
>>734237771You can't guess what was said? It was obviously something like>the white people changed the design my nigga>we did this shit to keep our jobsand that's why he decided to stop complaining about poor representation. He'd rather his people stay employed. That's my guess, anyway.
>>734237515once you have more money than God, money starts to matter less than buttering up your daughter who thinks you're a vampire for making a living off playing money games
>>734235696Hes half way right but what hes missing is the elements of it that are gambling is basically seeing how much agitprop and globohomo you can fit in while still making it an appealing product to normies. If you just actually focus on cool shit that the target demo likes and make the game all that it would reduce the gambling factor and you could just make something people want to buy not something investors will give you free money for on the condition you spread their propaganda and people are waking up to this.
>>734237515>Why spend all this money?money is fake
>>734237515They literally ate babies at Epstein's Island
>>734244429Really? So the devs don't consume houses, cars, food, etc. in return for their labor? They just get some pieces of paper that don't do anything?
>>734237752/v/ on suicide watch
>>734237515>moneyworthless for them, they can make more from thin air, they control the source and the flowits all about power and control
What the game industry needs is a kick in the crotch.They need to find the grouchy guys who care about what they're making and have no tolerance for bullshit and put them in charge to break the air of toxic positivity that's taken hold across videogames (and American corporate culture in general). If he causes half of the team to run out of the building in tears to whine on BlueSky, then good. Those are the people who need to go.>He told me, and I quote, that "nobody wants to play as a mystery meat nigger with a retarded haircut"!Based! He just saved your project.
>>734244172>This is actually what USfags allow their country to run like when they all own assault rifles.Pathetic.
>>734245809>We desperately need a wave of Gordon Ramsey directors.100% agreed
>>734237752the guy in the purple shirt with glasses looks like the only sperg int he entire room - the rest look like millennial reddit trash - and half that room is not white, anon
>>734235696>what could we have done differently?well for starters: make a better game. thats not nearly as mystical and rng as "lottery numbers".secondly: stop trying to craft winning lottery numbers for a huge payout, and just make a good fucking game. get your fucking priorities straight.third: read the fucking market. if you make something that there is already a ton of, then you had better make it genuinely stand out in a good way that makes people want to play your game instead of their established favorites. additionally, make the characters actually good, and not corpo-dei slop.
investors are gamblers who don't have the decency to stay in a casino
>>734239298that is exactly correct. i even humored somebody once and went through every point he could possibly think of until the sheer volume of lines that led to the same answer was so irrefutable that he was just like "... so it really that simple?". its wide as an ocean and they expect to be as deep as one, but its actually really simple and shallow.
There’s maybe some truth to that, but I think everyone overestimates how much the publishers or investors are driving the kinds of games that are made. From what I have read, these games typically are conceived by game developers and then pitched to publishers. People don’t want to admit that a lot of creative types just have bad taste or are trying to cash in on trends and their games get funded because they have a convincing pitch. That was the case for Concord, Hyenas and Highguard. The developers really thought they were making something revolutionary.
>>734235696No, that’s nonsense. Games aren’t a lottery - they’re a business project. They produce a product and try to sell it. And even though a small amount of luck is needed here, it’s not the deciding factor. The deciding factor is whether anyone actually wants their shit or not.There’s a huge difference between trying to sell sand in a desert and trying to sell water in a desert.
I didn't expect them to pull the plug so soon frankly. Since they first downsized the team I expected them to at least have enough gas to run for a year and try to get players back by slowly reworking the game. A little bummed for them because I think the hate about Highguard was a little overdone for being just another very mediocre sloppa shooter
>>734235696>it just sucks for the developersWhy? They get paid, right?
>>734235696>Surely it is a mystery>Why it flopped? we'll never know
>>734235696But the devs are the ones making the game. If the investors throw money at you, that doesn't mean you need to make flops. Just make good games.
>>734237771You know how they say every new president gets taken into a room by the CIA and shown an angle of the JFK assassination which the public has never seen? When a black person with a certain amount of clout steps out of line, "The Community" does the same except with first person footage of the Malcolm X assassination
>>734235696I could play blackjack like an absolute retard by hitting on hard 17s or doubling on hard 12s, or I could stop to think about how to best maximize my bet's chance of success. These shooter slop games with shit aesthetics are much more like the former than the latter.
>>734235696>It's all up to chance, bro>There were no decisions made along the way that led directly to this outcomeYeah, it was impossible to make a good game that people would want to play. Just put another coin in the slot machine.
>>734235696if that's the case why do the dev companies close down after a flop instead of going for another round of investments from these gambling junkies? why do the devs release statements and articles lamenting how it was a passion project that never got a fair shake? why are people coping so hard with this flop when everyone has been saying it would fall since its reveal?
>>734238251Some people can't accept that rich/powerful people are as retarded as anyone else
>>734235696Except it cost at least 100M to make a Highguard and a game like Concord is several times that....... it doesn't take a lot of them to eat up that 1 billion dollar you can make from a success.
>>734235696he's right, we are on level 4 of the fish -> fish stick scale (or dinosaur -> dino tendies). these - and they can be hardly called art, work, product - things, are anything and everything but games by gamers for gamers, like pre-2000.these are the top 40 pop of games, the mcu of games, and you know what and who is behind that, for what reason.
>>734235696>it took incels YEARS to realize that investors are chasing the next fortnite/robloxlmao you spend so much time seething about video games pretending that you are analyst or some type of shit and you are still fucking retarded
>>734236818>>734238251>Neither the tax break or DEI/government funding angle make sense to me.Because it takes part of the truth and then spins it due to overdosing on blackpills. The first part of what anon said is true. These games were funded and developed by social activists. The latter part is wrong. They didn't succeed through failure. They wanted to succeed through a coordinated inter-industry wide push where non-DEI doesn't appear as a competitive alternative. That didn't work. They lost a lot of money across industries. The social activists are still inside companies and they took over key positions which allow/allowed them to continue pushing DEI for far longer than they should have been able to in a capitalistic system. However every communistic system inevitably fails no matter how long they manage to drag it out. The social activists/communists are increasingly under pressure by disillusioned capitalists who want to see a return for their money.
>>734245821wait till they come for the suburbs bro
>>734251525>if that's the case why do the dev companies close down after a flop instead of going for another round of investments from these gambling junkies?because for every bg3 there's 100 wokeflops like concord and highguard, when they were counting on it being more like 10 wokeflops for every bg3. thus blackrock turned off the DEIbuxx faucet a year or so ago because it wasn't even close to being sustainable, and gaming was finally able to begin healing
>>734244889investors can just ask for more money they'll never pay, blackrock eats the loss and sells the debt to financial speculatorsmoney goes around and they make all the gains while goyim "deal with the real world" per epstein's words
>>734253793What is this broscience with you people. The game was funded by Tencent and they trusted actual Titanfall & Apex devs who left EA to form this studio with minimal creative oversight. Wildlight operated with most of their employees working remote fucking off on the clock and taking the cheapest engine shortcuts to generate a visual result that created massive optimization issues. While there may have been developers with political leanings it's not something that really came across in the art in the way that it did with Apex or Overwatch certainly not Concord Hyenas etc. There's not a single unattractive character in Highguard it failed because it was an underdeveloped game run by a studio taking advantage of Tencent paychecks who believed they could simply put the bare minimum in and people would eat it up.>Game runs like shit>Locked to TPM supported PCs>Dysfunctional netcode>Has almost no content to speak of>Directionless design>Less mechanics than fingers on 1 hand>No campaign mode>Barely any cosmeticsHighguard is, at best, a fatally flawed early access title wholly unfit for full release. The game had a chance and you can see the expertise in how polished various elements are that experience comes across. It exemplifies the main cause of AAA quality game decline which is that Western game developers have become unbelievably lazy and entitled. You are simply not a serious studio if you're trusting 100+ people to work remote on a supposedly competitive FPS. There is no actual way those people can verify the quality of every detail without being hands on and this says nothing of security or personnel issues. Journos with balls would headline "Highguard fails because Americans are lazy"
Here's the thing all the really big GAAS games werenot created through a halfhearted gamble.Big money may see the success of GAAS games as random, but on top of being lucky the game also needs to be providing for an underserved market or it needs to be innovative.If they wanted to place long bets on GAAS they'd be funding games in unproven subgenres that have a chance to explode.They're betting on games in a saturated genre with established leaders. It's like trying to make big money by starting a car company because Mercedes makes a lot of money, but you also cheap out and plan to fund a different car company once this one fails.
>>734235696>we intentionally wasted millions of dollars on purposeBruh
Lmao this is treated like some revelation when it was obvious day one for a decade if not longer. All those corporations care about is hitting the "next big thing" like Fortnite, WoW, LoL, Overwatch etc. that's just a money printer.Doesn't matter how many flops they have on the way, how many man-hours they waste. If they just succeed ONCE, it will be enough to recoup all the costs on the way and more.
>>734256529>Concord>Supposedly cost at least a billion to make, paid fully by sony>Highguard>At the very least 500mil lost from sony>Marathon>Spent 3.4bil just acquiring bungie, even more on developmentUnless they make a new fortnite and everyone in the world only plays that game they would never make that money back
>>734235696>Bro when you make a game it's just RNG if it comes out goodDo these retards really believe their own bullshit? Literally sounds like something a hallucinating AI would write 3 years ago.
>>734235696Retarded.It’s obvious why it flopped, and these are avoidable mistakes.
>>734235696That's retarded because you can clearly see that everything isn't the same as it always was for the billionaires. Did he just gloss over the C-suite shake ups that happened recently?
>>734255950i doubt tencent was the primary investor. they may have been the investor who provided initial seed money, but they would have known early on that progress was slower than expected. a pretty girl being in the game only makes it all the more suspect why they would agree to make the game's mascot the mystery meat guy. i just don't see them as the ones who would buy the TGA spot knowing full well that the game was dogshit. someone else must have bought out their stake or invested new money into it.for example tencent canceled a nier mobile game after 2 years of development. they also canceled an RTS game being led by a former blizzard dev after 4 years. they are no stranger to this. but somehow highguard was worth it to them? i don't think so.
>>734255950You're not really arguing anything here. My arguments are widely recognized as truth by both sides. Wokeniggers see this game as another woke entry which is why there was a defensive campaign for it and anti-woke people saw it as another woke entry which is why they were laughing at it flopping. You personally considering the very woke roster mildly attractive doesn't change anything about that. Neither does you focusing on it being a bad game beyond it beyond woke. Lots of woke games are bad. In fact almost all are. That's not an argument against it being woke. In fact they're more prone to being bad because the focus is on the political message. Foreign companies can still push woke shit for various reasons. For example after Jaguar was bought up by indians the woke push from it was quite obviously a humilitation ritual and a way to kill off foreign competition. From Tencents perspective it's a win-win situation. Either yet another western game flops due to social activists and the west loses market share it can scoop up or they make a profit from it's success. That is assuming that Tencent actually played a larger role in the funding and that what the other anon said is incorrect.
>>734235696No, investment companies and publishers see it as gambling on random numbers and that's why they don't bother trying to improve anything.It's also why their profit margins are so tight compared to an inspired smaller dev and why the whole American vidya industry is contracting.It really isn't gambling, you really can improve your chances of winning, but they think they're geniuses for reducing it all to trend chasing and chance.
>>734237815To add, the reason* they want all these migrants, is that each one is a blank slate that can be sold loans, mortgages, securities, housing benefits etc.All of which is magic money in the bank's pocket*one of them, anyway; undermining social cohesion meaning the masses are divided and less able to oppose the profit system, is another
>>734260846Plus most new immigrants tend to to vote for the same guys that bought them/feed them
>>734235947Plenty of excellent games go completely unknown and unplayed.Plenty of sludge hits it big and makes tons of money.While making a quality game can help, it's mostly luck and marketing that ultimately decide how successful a game is.
>>734238251Do you get mad or depressed if you bet 20 dollars on something and lose? likely not, because it's an abyssmal amoutn of money for you. The same goes for these projects. Investors don't rely on one company, they got their hands in many. A couple losses is nothing because the ones going down are the developers and not your own. Losing 20 dollars 10 times is irrelevant if you get 2000000 back with a single succesful one.
>>734235696It's like investing in penny stocks or buying 1000 of every shitcoin just on the off chance that it goes to the moon.
>2030>youre now obligated to play some generic hero shooter on your sub based OS
>>734247862The thing about super duper complex and deep conspirancies is that at the end of the day, it still is something a single person leading it msut udnerstand. The subsystems being complex on their own doesn't matter if the general idea for them is. If a handful of people can come up with such plans, then a handful of people can decrypt and udnerstand them all the same.
>>734235851He does not lie, Sire. He truly believes in the nonsenical world others implanted into his poor mind.
>>734235696>sucks for developers how about the developers stop being soulless faggots willing to work on faggot propaganda. nah fuck them they get what they deserve.
>>734235947For the ones at the top it is. It's not the quality of the end result is a complete roll of a dice, just that output of any group of people is hard to predict
>>734235851This!Asmon army won!
>>734238251its not about the money you fucking retard. you have to be either willing ignorant or a true smooth brain nigger.
>>734237515It's called "you fell for the /pol/tard explaination for mentally challenged brownoids". Blackrock is just a fund manager, most of "their" money is other people's money and most of that is tracking index funds, over which blackrock has no control
>>734235696Not how that shit works at all, especially now when gaming is an oversaturated market and competition for any attention at all is fierce. Smaller teams and outright indies are doing better than before with minimal budgets. If Tencent wanted actual bang for their buck, they would've hired people who actually play and develop games regularly, instead of californian circlejerk diversity hires and nepo-babies.All the chief designers of Concord landed jobs in other californian gaming companies. The main character designer of Concord got a job in Blizzard. Their development studios do not practice skill-based hiring but nepotism and brown nosing.
>>734236089>there are plenty of good games who dont make a gazillion dollarsThen don't spend half a gazillion on making them, retard
>>734238251Anon you are talking to literal children that heard fed can print money and now think all economy is just made up nonsense, they think tax evasion somehow makes you money instead of making you lose less
>>734237659>guys name is literally DEI WalkerCome on
>>734261774I was a hardcore biodrone until the DA2 demo made me wary enough not to buy the game day 1, and the actual released game confirmed my suspicionsSo yeah making shit games eventually catches up with you, no matter how dedicated your fanbase supposedly is
>>734235696That is not true. That just means they are ignorant and don't know a whole of shit they should be knowing.
>>734261912True, /v/ is filled with retards.
>>734238251>Neither the tax break or DEI/government funding angle make sense to me.It did happen during the 0% interest rate era when most Silicon Valley tech companies simply faked success by taking really cheap loans. The moment interest rates rose up because of the inflation, that party stopped and tech companies have to figure out how to actually make money now.The reason why companies like Google grew to such gigantic size was because they hired genuinely useless retards just so their company looks bigger than it actually is. Because a big company that looks like a monopoly draws investors.
>>734255950>"b-but muh broccoli hair, that's unattractive!"> - homo in denial mad brand new games don't target his 30yo ass
>>734261912My pet peeve is when they call it money laundering
>>734255950This anon has a brain, well written post that actually points out why highguard failed instead of falling into braindead crying about woke over and over again.
>>734262052Bitch please, the game fucking shut down from lack of players. You can stop pretending to have a blast looking at the characters
>>734235696MODS WHY ARE WE ENTERTAINING THREADS OF LITERALWHO SAYS SHIT OF NO IMPORTANCE
>>734261774>All the chief designers of Concord landed jobs in other californian gaming companies. The main character designer of Concord got a job in Blizzard. Their development studios do not practice skill-based hiring but nepotism and brown nosing.Because there is no accountability. Only blame shifting. >developers: we made what the designers told us to make>designers: we instructed our teams to make what the lead producers told us to make>lead producers: we told the designers to tell their developers to make what the project leads decided>project leads: it was a constant fight trying to realize our creative vision while incorporating marketing and focus groups feedback>studio head: REACHING FOR THAT RIP CORD OF MY GOLDEN PARACHUTESo clearly it's nobodys fault. The studio made the perfect game, the market just wasn't ready for it and the players couldn't appreciate the bold creative vision. it was truly ahead of its time.
>>734262147>people who work in video games should never find another job ever again if they have a failure in their resumeIs this what you're suggesting?
>>734247781Gambling has negative EV. Investing can have positive EV
>>734262293No, no, by all means go ahead. Hire the lead character designer of Concord to be the lead designer of your next project worth hundreds of millions of dollars. See if I care
>>734262293Those that are actually responsible for the mess, yes.
>>734235851>nahHow you know you're about to read some absolute dogshit from a drooling retard
>>734262293>>734262362If the character designs are shit then those who decided what the characters look like shouldn't ever work in vidya again. Same goes for the other departments. If the story is gay ass cringe then the writers shouldn't be hired for a writing job ever again. And so on.
>>734262293Not at all, when the dude gets free just re-hire Costa Concordias captain back to sail ships again, what could go wrong?
>>734262129I never even played it. I just understand that I'm not the target audience for these games anymore
>>734261723>pretend massive banks are powerless to... own the chuds?
>>734255950>>Less mechanics than fingers on 1 handDidn't they have like looting and mining? Or is it strictly about micro mechanics?
>>734262545I don't even play liveslop and still have played way too many games with colored rarity loot. That hardly counts as a fucking mechanic
>>734262451Why is he eating shit in that photo?
the entire game is a joke>high - over>guard - watchThat's the level of contempt they have for the audience.
>>734262498Exactly what I'm talking about. Blackrock is not a bank. You don't even fucking know what a bank, a building block institution of the modern financial system, is. Classic poorfag perspective of treating anyone and anything richer than you as a hivemind of "the rich" out to get you personally. Instead of dropping name and talking about shit you don't understand, why not complain about the monopoly man fucking you over, that's about the same level of accuracy as you have
>>734262914Please tell me what ESG is
>>734261723Because banks aren't allowed to spend the money you deposit, right. That's why bank runs are legal, right?
>>734261252>Plenty of excellent games go completely unknown and unplayed.People keep saying that like it makes it true. If the game truly is excellent it'll find an audience.
>>734262293I feel like there are different scales of failure and>being a major contributor to burning a few hundred million in budget for a video game with shit to show for it, leading to the closure of the companyis really up there on the list.
Publishers are kinda just banks.>developer approaches publisher with a pitch(applying for a loan)>publisher sets conditions of the project(securities of the loan)>developer agrees and publisher greenlights the pitch>developer gets paid for hitting the publishers milestones>developer misses milestones and is penalized>developer misses a bunch of milestones and project is cancelled>publisher owns the produced assets>or developer finishes the game and depending on the terms they get a bonus or sequel green lit
>>734237752the image that broke /v/
>>734237752the fact /v/ has to pretend highguard is woke in order to uphold the narrative while simultaneously gritting its teeth and acting as if bg3 was based and chudpilled has to be /v/eddit's most pathetic, spineless moment
>>734235947The argument has nothing to do with whether a game is good or not, the argument is that investors don't care.
>>734261252>>734236089But highguard isnt completely unknown. It just lost its entire playerbase in a couple days because its not good.
>>734263098>If the game truly is excellent it'll find an audience.Not true at all. Worse, fans themselves fail to grasp the concept. I've seen people wish that their favorite unknown/underrated games had more people playing them, and those same people shut up immediately when you ask them "Have you told anyone about it?"
>>734235696tyler should play project Nortubel instead
>>734262980ESG what? It stands for "environmental, social and governance", but by itself it's not anything, there are things that are "ESG <thing>", just like "global" or "original" aren't one thing
>>734263396You couldn't even get the acronym right, and its existence blows your entire argument out of the water about this not being an organized effort (by jews)
>>734263243>the fact /v/ has to pretend highguard is wokePic related designed the bird nigress in the game. The design in Highguard is generic as fuck precisely because the devs themselves are part of DEI or they're afraid of their industry "friends" if they make things look too appealing for men.
>>734263028Again, blackrock isn't a fucking bank. And bank runs are legal. What the fuck kind of point are you even attempting to make. You are a fucking retard and you really should stop using terminology you don't understand
>>734263396I went to my local SuperMall recently and half the stores/ shops are closed, it's been taken over a Conglomerate and I didn't know who by.Then noticed on a huge bordered up window that used to be House of Fraser it had on 'ESG' and an entire explanation trying to make it sound as friendly and 'Green' as possible. It's basically compliance so they can apply for Blackrock and Vanguard loans/ money. It all made sense after that.
>>734263450Okay so you don't know what ESG thing you're even against, you just hear the acronym and chimp out
/v/ discovers how venture capitalism worksNext up: /v/ learns how the stock market actually works
>>734238251The COMPANY is wasting money but the people in it are all making a salary. They dont give a fuck if the company goes under they just move onto the next sinking ship
>>734263550You have nothing, m8
>>734263617>/v/ learnslet's not get ahead of ourselves
>>734263491Go ahead and define bank for us chief, I always love hearing leftists try and actually put substance to their words
>>734263686Not that guy, but to make a credible attempt: A bank is an institution that accepts and issues loans.
>>734263617If only reddit knew as much about things as they pretend to -_-
>>734239314Why do games cost tens to hundreds of millions of dollars anyways? It makes no sense. You’re telling me some of these half baked shit releases with maybe an hour or unique content took like 7 years and 150 + million fucking dollars to make? That’s more than a fighter jet. The only logical explanation is that it’s all going towards overpriced marketing and being embezzled into the pockets of useless managers and executives who aren’t even working on the game.
>>734262293ideally
>>734263770>A bank is an institution that accepts and issues loans.Fundamentally bank is just a money storage and money transfer service, loans are not mandatory for a bank to operate. Templar banks worked by you storing your money in their european vaults and against that you got a voucher to draw same value goods from a middle-eastern templar vault. Much more useful than you going through the pains of dragging all of your belongins across the mediterranean sea.
>>734263824>Why do games cost tens to hundreds of millions of dollars anywaysCalifornian software dev salaries for 200 employees over 8 years, and then that same amount again just for marketing
>>734263770I see. And how that bank accepts and issues loans, or the steering of capital, can have a significant effect on markets in a system with near infinite money printing
>>7342638247 years times 100 employees times $100,000 loan cost equals 70 million dollars, and you can trivially scale up time, salary, and employee count.
>>734263898I meant salary of course, I was mentally in the bank discussion.>>734263865That still fulfills at least half the definition, even as an oddity (the bank accepts a loan from you and pays it back later).
>>734263531>it's been taken over a Conglomerate and I didn't know who by>he's been killed by my buddy Steve but I don't know who bySo do you or do you not know.>so they can apply for Blackrock and Vanguard loans/ moneyThe shops in your local "SuperMall" were in talks with two of the biggest asset managers on the planet to get "loans/money" from these institutions that don't give out loans, and you know this because you saw "ESG" through the boards? Right...Are you aware that most businesses finance their operations (for example paying rent for a storefront at a mall) by selling to customers, not by borrowing? What the fuck are you talking about you retarded troglodyte. Please understand, to normal people "making sense" means a cause and an effect, maybe even multiple, forming a causal chain. Not a hazy cloud of word associations you schizoids use
>>734256652This is just wrong, Concord was 400 million and Highguard isn’t a Sony game
>>734262048i always wondered if companies figured out that these videos make people hate our society rather than be up beat commercials for their workplaces that make us want to work there?
>>734264160If this doesn't make you want to work for Google, you're not their target audience and Google doesn't give a shit about you.What are you gonna do, not browse websites with adsense?
>>734235947There's a lot of amazing games that never break out in the normalfagsphere, mostly because they're actually good mind you, but making a good game=/=making a commercially successful game.Of course, if you insist on making yet another hero shooter with literally nothing interesting let alone no interesting aesthetic you are effectively shrinking your chances of making it even further but that's something for another time.
>>734261912>and now think all economy is just made up nonsense,by definition it is though
>>734235947The lottery is to FUND a good game
>>734263686Well for one it is an licensed institution, as in you need the government's permission to function as one. So you can see how they define it>https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/581>For purposes of sections 582 and 584, the term “bank” means a bank or trust company incorporated and doing business under the laws of the United States (including laws relating to the District of Columbia) or of any State, a substantial part of the business of which consists of receiving deposits and making loans and discounts, or of exercising fiduciary powers similar to those permitted to national banks under authority of the Comptroller of the Currency, and which is subject by law to supervision and examination by State or Federal authority having supervision over banking institutions. Such term also means a domestic building and loan association.Long story short banks are allowed to participate in money expansion via issuing credit.
>>734264160Google doesn't give a shit about general populace, only investors. Google didn't start scaling back AI last month because people said it was shit, but only when Google started losing market share to Apple and Linux.
>>734264509Epitome of midwit
>>734235696it doesn't take a college degree to notice that>ack raiders>buttholedivers 2>failguard>cuntcord>gaylock>fagathon>countergay 2and many, many others are literally the same game with a different coat of paintretards making them popular is the only real difference
>>734235696If coomer shit sells, why don't they make themIf woke stuff doesn't sell, why do they make themCyberpunk and baulder's gate 3 managed to do both and sell just fine, is that the secret?
>>734235947They're more saying>It's lottery just keep making more games, one will stick eventually and cover all previous flops
>>734264271But these videos have a much broader impact on things than just potential employees for google. If you show joe shmo a few of these videos the chances of his disgust are IMO high, I understand you think it doesn't matter, but it directly affects things like ambition, work ethic, and generates apathy.If you show these to someone who is struggling financially to run a coffee shop or a gardening business he's going to look at google rightfully as daycare for rich smug women who will also publicly portray themselves as victims of men or that they have harder lives than men do.Someone said before that giving women the right to work just meant giving them Jew Daycare and videos like this prove him correct.
>>734262464Who is then? Zoomers don't seem to like them much either.
>>734263824>Why do games cost tens to hundreds of millions of dollars anyways?They don't. Expedition 33 cost less than $10million to make.Bunch of good games cost even less than that.I could go into it but somewhere along the line Venture Capitalists saw that Vidya was making more money than every other entertainment industry combined, but they weren't happy at how they were developed. They thought it was too amateur and unprofessional so they used the Hollywood Studio model and applied it for AAA video game studios and that's how you got EA, Ubisoft, Bethesda and others going from small scale to massive megacorporation's, almost too big to fail but not being able to produce good games, but because VC money was behind them, they kept getting bigger and bigger studios, more people working for them and yet the quality of the games kept going down and down.
>>734264672You still haven't explained why Google would give a single hot shit.
>>734264516But it's not just Google that produces these videos they're everywhere it's not just tech companies.
>>734264113No I know this because the SuperMall in Question is the largest Shopping Centre in all of Europe and it had the generic logo of the shopping centre all along the ESG marketing on all the boarded up windows of all the closed shops, but not a single logo of any of the closed shops anywhere.How about you leave your house instead of whatever schizophrenic bullshit you like to play around in your head with you've got going on.
>>734264730I don't have to explain anything like that. I merely wondered aloud whether companies notices these produce apathy or not. I have nothing to say to you about this topic beyond what I have already.
>>734263480I was obviously soft DEI coded with as little compromise as possible to draw you in. Same with that Horizon game.
>investing... carries le risk???only took you 22 years /v/
>>734235696>the last decade or more is devs just trying to make the next fortnite.
I adore it when people on 4chan try to porray themselves as the opposite of OP, like it's always within topic and it's hilarious. If it's an incel thread, everyone's a chad, if it's a 'ignorant about blank topic' thread, everyone is an expert on said topic. It's fascinating. Maybe there should be social studies done on sites like this. Reddi.t too obviously. Never change /v/.
>>734235851
>>734262914The current business paradigm for Masters and Doctorates in business is literally fuck them as hard as possible and make them love being fucked. So yeah, sociopaths get strong when they control the laws.
>>734265120Anyone that insists on being called Dr in social settings should be ignored.
>>734235779https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUL5w91dzbo
>>734264984>Look Mother, I've vagueposting!
>>734261252Triple A dev of ten years. This is true. I've worked on excellent games that flop and slop that makes billions.
>>734261473Quality post
>>734264597I accept your concession
>>734264370Pray tell how
>>734235947>implying multiplayer slop could ever be good
>>734235947>>734235696See Deadlock from Valve, it's just as bad as all these highguard/concord games but still got players. So he's right
>>734264818>it had the generic logo of the shopping centre all along the ESG marketing on all the boarded up windows of all the closed shopsanon... that was the shopping center's ESG flier...
>>734265120Fuck who?
>>734237515Because the most threatening thing to a jew is a uniform and homogeneous society susceptible to reject them.
>>734235696>IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO PREDICTBro just make a good game. I'm not a professional developer, designer, or whatever. It took me two seconds into watching the trailer to know it was going to flop hard.
>>734266154This used is right next to Marks and Spencer in the Green Zone in the Metrocentre North East England. A shop used to be here, it's along from Boots on one side and Marks and Sparks on the otherThe same exact messaging and writing is across from this on the opposite side where there used to be cafes.ESG right there. What now?
>>734266207everyone they can from a business perspective. line has to go up.
>>734235851The post that buck broken dev sissies
Mainstream modern audience games will always fail. It's not hard to understand. Now if you made a niche game of big-breasted women with a male protagonist and indepth impregnation routes and turn-based combat then you won't see big success. But it will fill a niche that sees moderate success with a loyal following.
>>734235696>investors put money into a market of 95% failures because the 5% will earn them back all their money and then someI thought they put their money in to change the narrative and create a better society of better men?>hey if you want our money we require control over your hiring process>oh, do you want us to only hire good talent behind the best games so that you at least get an inflation beating return on investment?>no, we want you to hire women and coloreds
>>734266076You clearly haven't played it
>>734265410>I'vewtf is vagueposting? What I said is very succinct and accurate. If it describes you then tough cookies.
>>734264113You're an idiot.>>734266406
>>734266406I told you, that's the shopping center's ESG material. It's only on the closed storefronts because the open ones don't want to be covered by somebody else's marketing
>>734238251Those people think that paying 300 professionals in a very public project for 5 years just to make a flop is how money laundering works and a great idea on top of that. It can't be helped.
>>734265813Since the decoupling of the dollar from the gold standard money is a facsimile of itself.
>>734235696The problem is that it's not even informed gambling, they're just constantly copying the winning numbers of a jackpot winner from 10 years ago and hoping the lottery picks those numbers again.
>>734237715Talmudic hatred
>>734267092How many times are you going to repeat yourself
>>734261473Dont we all
>>734267003If you could use your brain even a little you'd realize two different CLOSED stores have the same marketing on them not because these CLOSED stores hired the same graphic designer, but because it's not their ESG material, but the mall's. And it's not on any of the OPEN stores because they are OPENHope this helps
>>734266973I have and it worse and looks worse than all those other games.
>>734267102Didn't ask. I asked how is all economy made up. Answer the question. No, not cite a random factoid you learned from /pol/, an actual answer to the question. If you don't know how to do that, you could start by saying "All economy is made up because" and go from there
>>734237752>covid mask>hipster beards
>>734266154>>734267035Read the comment chain, to what you're replying to. Just read it for fuck sake and stop outing yourself as a low IQ tit.>>734267341>It's not the stores but the Malls ESG materialNO? YOU DON'T SAY? The thing I said in my original post is the thing I said in my original post? Oh wow. Fuck I am genuinely wondering if there is something in the water here, or if you all spring out of the ground this retarded.
>>734265042Should show him holding strings controlling the MAGAt
>>734264689Zoomers are the audience, the issue is that they already all have games they play and they aren't going to switch.
>>734267571...the maga that threw him out?
>>734262914>>734237385Thats nice honey....except it conflicts with statements from Blackrock itself.
>>734262048Kek they really don't do anything tangible.
>>734267570I'm sorry anon, you're right. I assumed your incoherent unconnected schizoid ramble was trying to make a point of "stores in my mall closed due to esg". I now realize that is way too logical for your defective brain come up with. The actual points were "i went to a mall and stores were closed" and "the mall put up esg marketing on their closed storefronts", completely disconnected, without you trying to create any causal link between the two, as that would be way too neurotypical
>>734261912>fiat currency >not made up nonsense
>>734267786LOL
>>734267826Link?
>>734268047>The I admit I was wrong but I have to save face postAh the ol' classic.
>>734268119You are a retarded child
>>734268047>i'm so smart and above it all i can't read basic sentences so it's really your fault i misunderstoodlmao
>>734268294No I genuinely assumed you were attempting to make some sort of point and tried to comprehend what it was
>>734268405Explain the purpose of this post to me >>734263531 what point is the author trying to make?
>>734268484Don't worry you haven't disgraced your the honour of your family for admitting you were wrong, but ancestor cry when you lie. Remember that.
>>734267496The economy is run on a facsimile of its own value. There is no value in 90% of women's jobs, or maybe 50% of men's, other than optics and politics. These are fake values based on arbitrary metrics, not resource based in the slightest. The modern economy is a facsimile of itself. You don't have to be aggressive in these kind of conversations.
>>734268267Article: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxbusiness.com/politics/blackrock-ceo-slammed-force-behaviors-dei-initiatives.amp>muh FoxReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/14ijcb7/blackrock_ceo_in_2017_said_you_have_to_force/Vid: https://youtu.be/KwwN5kwjAtQ?is=XHUt-bFVEB0TWOQIHe said this at a November 2017 panel at The New York Times DealBook conference.PS: I know you will still deny/make up some mental gymnastics.
>>734268538stores closed and applied for esg money.
>>734268675>Reddithahahaha
>>734235696It’s not deep, commies hate capitalism
>>734268387>emotional outburts in the face of being wrongHow midwit of you.
>>734268716>reddit hahaFox says it too, whats your cope there?
>>734268387just like incel this insult just belies the nature of the insulter rather than accurately skewering the insultee. Try again.
>>734268779>noooo don't call me out on linking redditGo back
>>734268665Define value. Would you say your time is valuable? Are the things you can buy with money valuable?
>>734235696>see that dart board over there investors throw money at it and pray
>>734268732Donate all your worthless fiat money
>>734268832>trying change topicShalom!
>>734269006>trying changegood morning saar, redeem the bloody reddit
>>734251525>level designerLOL. That was among the first complaints I heard about the game. Levels. What a joke of a man.
>>734268892>intentionally misrepresenting what I saidGo back to plebbit
>>734269030Do you deny that Larry Flink, CEO of Blackrock said this: >>734237385, hmm?
>>734235696
>>734268838>Define value.Letting Jeff Bezos buy another superyacht. What else?
>>734268675>"What we're doing internally is if you don't achieve these levels of impact, your compensation could be impacted,"He's talking about his employees. I don't see how he said anything that disagrees with what I said. Of course you need to force employees managing active ESG funds to properly asses those risk factors, that's what you're paid for
>>734235696Nah, this is only half true. They don't think: "oh this has a 5% chance" or else they would work harder on raising that chance of it succeeding. No, what happens is that he is right in so far that they are greedy investor fuckers about, and all they see is: "Live service game is like real estate renting. You make a big investment once, and then minimal investments to keep it running, and then everyone will have to pay you forever for it. Money will just keep coming in".They see: "These other live service games made a billion dollars" So when someone with a vision of a game comes to them, they go: "okay greenlit. Make your game! Oh btw, here's a list of live service and battle pass shit we need to you to make for our infinite money scheme. And also it needs to be an extraction shooter / battle royale / looter shooter / Open world survival crafting / Open world survival crafting zombies / military shooter / World of Warcraft / [insert current trend]" They are not "gamers", and thus they don't know what a good game would be. They just see money potential. We might see Arc Raiders and we write thinkpieces about how fun the casualization of Tarkov is, and how accessible it is, and why it works. They see Arc Raiders and they see "$$$ copy this for free $$$". >>734235851>He fell for "The foreigner wants your cookie".Man nigger, DEI ain't the problem. You know what DEI is? DEI is all people who ARE passionate about games in some form or another, but companies hire minorities less. So DEI tries to fix that, by enacting hiring quotas, which mean that when there are not enough minorities, and two equally qualified people apply, the one with minority status wins. It's literally just an experiment to bring more hiring equality. The Idea that DEI exclusively promotes unqualified retards, is pushed by culture war faggots who are more interested in their dumbass race war, than good games. And it plays right into the CEOs hands. Keep you mad at the wrong people.
>>734269296>DEBATE MY REDDIT POST OR I RAPE YOU BLOODY BITCHNo. Keep seething Ranjeet, I'm out
>>734269461Do you deny it or not, Shlomo?
>>734255950>highguard failed because of bad performance lmao at your life
>>734235696>lotteryAnyone with a minimum of experience saw as soon as some sort of alpha was available that it would flop catastrophically.There's NOTHING is the game that said, yeah this is surely a win, gameplay, art style, or even some celeb tacked in, fucking nothing.
>>734269409Sure, an investors greatest concern are his employees....
>>734269436>DEI is all people who ARE passionate about games in some form or another, HAHAHAHAHA>The Idea that DEI exclusively promotes unqualified retards, is pushed by culture war faggots who are more interested in their dumbass race war, than good gamesHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>734269461Kek, look at this kike scurry and squirm
>>734262748Software philosophy of "eat your own dogfood"
>>734235696So all of this shit was just a current flavour of the "We want the CoD / WoW audience" meme of olden days?
>>734237385nta here: Why does everyone pretend like this is some sinister master mind super villain quote? It's just obviously the truth. If you have a company that has an issue, that issue is not gonna go away by itself, you have to apply some force to exact change.If you have a company, and the company only hires white dudes, it's not gonna start hiring women and niggers one day by itself. You have to force them to change. How is this some big revelation? If you have a toddler who won't eat any fucking mashed potatoes because he thinks they're jucky, you gotta convince that toddler somehow to try the yummy mashed potatoes, because he won't on it's own decide to suddenly eat it. This is so fucking dumb, I can't believe you retards make me defend BlackRock aka literal Satan. Blackrock:>Shit doesn't change from nothing, you gotta set it in motion4chan:>OMG HE ADMITS IT!!!Fucking retards.
>>734269436A lot of people, especially culture warriors, just don't get the point of DEI. You want different eyes on your product, because they see different issues.So here's "age DEI": Anytime you want to name a business or product, you should run that name by a bunch of teenagers and see if any of them start giggling. If yes, you need a new name, because this one has some unintended meaning or some other reason it sounds stupid. That's a different view on your marketing that adults can't give you. It's like that with everything.
>have no idea why your games keep failing or why other games succeed (you were hired because you're supposed to be an expert on this)>uhm acshually i'm not a retard who's bad at my job i'm GAMBLING ok >we're rich and know how to reduce our losses so it's fine if we keep bleeding money>ugh yes i know we have to make a profit eventually that's why we're GAMBLING we'll make billions some day just you wait>all we have to do is keep making the same thing until it works did nobody teach you about probability? >optimistically what do i think my chances are? 95 percent. of succeeding? no, failing. yeah, i'm going to spend 50 million on what I believe to be a 95% chance of failure.>it's like lottery tickets, i don't know a single person who actually won the lottery, but somebody has to win it right?>nah dude, there's no way that the odds are 0%, life is just so random that's why everything me and my friends have done so far has failed, it's not like we're actually bad at our jobs or making bad decisions, we just need one more chance to get that jackpot>studio closes>WOWWWW HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT SHITTY GAMES DON'T SELL WHAT DO YOU MEAN A BUSINESS NEEDS TO PROFIT TO STAY AFLOATI know why these retards exist and why they think the way that they do, but I'm baffled by how fucking many of them there are
>>734269973nobody's forcing you to bootlick corpos and nobody's forcing you to be a retard. you're doing it by yourself.
>>734266973It's dota 3(d)
>>734269973Yeah he admits that he's forcing behaviours and hiring women and niggers into an environment where they don't belong and offer only harm. Where is your major malfunction?
>poor developers, it's not their fault the game is shitit's their fault when the chose to put ugly people just to antagonize a large part of the fanbase.
>>734270504you are a disgusting culture warrior and it's your fault gaming is dying. die in excrement worm.
>>734270401>an environment where they don't belong and offer only harmComing from the people who voted in the most incompetent administration in American history
>>734270558ok, still not playing your game
>>734270558Exposing your scat fetish isn't really much of an argument against retards like you worshipping ugliness to your own detriment.
>>734269436>>734235851It's always funny to me, when someone pretends like we live in a meritocracy. Where everyone in the whole world got their place just by pure skill and talent, except for minorities, they are all DEI. Have you ever had a job? I had. And I can tell you multiple instances where some absolute fucking airwaster of a white dude got the job because he's someones cousin. Where everyone knows: "Ah, yeah that's larry. Don't let him do anything, and if he hands in any work, just do it again, his dad owns the company". Fuck, look at the US government right now. Who the fuck that's appointed do you think is competent? The former deputy director of the FBI was a fucking PODCASTER that the President liked. There's your fucking DEI. >>734269810Anon you laugh because you only know DEI from anti-DEI people.But it is true. In hiring it is proven multiple times that if you send in a resume with a black sounding name, it gets picked less often than a resume with a white sounding name. We can all agree this is a form of discrimination (even if it's maybe not even a conscious or deliberate act). Hiring quotas look at the expected number of qualified candidates from each group in the area, and if one is below the minimum, then in the next round of hiring, if equally qualified people apply, the one with the minority background gets picked. But I bet nobody ever explained this to you this way, because they want you angrier so that you keep consuming culture war content. So they describe it as anti-white discrimination. They describe it as "illiteral gang niggers are getting picked off the street to be airline pilots instead of qualified white men" and that shit just ain't true. That's just to make you mad. And it worked. Look how you reacted. You have consumed this lie so much, that merely being presented with what affirmative action ACTUALLY is, you burst out in mocking laughter. Come home brother. >>734270057That generally is the strength of diversity, yeah
>>734270569Your brain is complete mush dude. I'm not even American and the people that voted your orange antichrist figure into office were over half of americans on issues of immigration and economy. You can bitch about the economy all you want but you can't deny that he's doing everything he can to force nogs back to their shitholes.
>>734270718Okay.And the people who pay for DEI want more minority representation and you can't deny that's what they're getting.
Anyone associated with trash games and shit decision making should go down with the ship. Fuck off.
>>734270679>stop noticing things>it's all in your mind>DEI doesn't exist, or better it exists but its good for you>let it happen>gimme your moneyFuck you bitch, also nice 200 word essay.
>>734270816And yet it's not what they're buying :).
So this is basically venture capital?Anyway, Should i try going into venture capitalism? There's a firm that does risk assessment and points me into 'good' emerging companies where I put the money and pray to god that I will see it again.Does anyone here have any experience in this scheme?
>>734270896The investments will stop aaaaaany moment now... Fact is, you're all for people in places where they don't belong and offer only harm. As long as they're white. For this reason you don't actually belong in any position where you are able to affect policy, as you can only offer harm.
>>734270679Resumes with blacker names get picked less because stereotypes exist for a reason and most people have bad experiences with Shaniquas. All interview screenings are a form of discrimination.
>>734270874I don't even want to imagine the skin color of this gentleman.
>>734269973>If you have a company, and the company only hires white dudesThis isn't an issue that needs to be fixed. Nobody is clamoring for the NBA to hire more white B-Ballers, for example. If a vidya company is a bunch of white dudes making games, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Acting like that's a problem to be fixed at all is sinister and evil. "Forcing" it is also evil.
>>734270978No dumbass. People belong where they belong and diversity was a failed experiment. A team with nothing in common has nothing to offer.
>>734270401>Yeah he admits that he's forcing behaviours and hiring women and niggers into an environment where they don't belong and offer only harm. Fucking where? The only true part is: >Yeah he admits that he's forcing behaviours and hiring women and niggersThe:>into an environment where they don't belong and offer only harm. Is not at all what he said. That is just your own prejudice. That's what you think about niggers and femoids, projected onto someone else. Because obviously if he wants more niggers and fembots in his fucking firms, he must think that they offer value, and actually can do the job, you fucking retard. I mean fuck, every time one of you retard faggots cries about go woke go broke, cries about niggers and women, and faggots and trannies, and how they are the reason that everything is shit, do you EVER just think for a second: "Wait, is it rational for me to believe that every single person that I politically disagree with, is unqualified, untalented, and unable of creating anything of value, ever?" Does it ever cross your mind, that if you think that everyone you hates is incapable of creating something good, that you are not the rational one? That you have been tricked into believing something that obviously can't be fucking true? THINK FOR A GOD DAMN SECOND, RETARD-KUN!Fuck, you faggots used to scream about facts and logic, and now it's all feels. Now it's all "I hate them so they MUST be bad".
>>734236818>He's not right. There is not a 5% chance of Concord taking off. There is not a 5% chance of Highguard taking off. They are not gambling. They are embezzling.No, he's right. What he didn't mention is that investors are fucking morons with no clue about games. They hire "experts" and such to advise them and most importantly they like to hear presentations. Where of course the presenters mostly lie. Wanna have a nice salary for the next 5 years? Yeah, don't be honest to investors.t. has to deal with games investors
>>734270679Cool, why don't niggers, trannies and women make their own companies?
>>734235696They're all missing how Overwatch became popular.1. Make game with at least decent, engaging gameplay2. Make characters that are attractive, and easy to rig for sfm or some other animating program3. "Leak" the models to certain animators4. Roll in the dough
>>734271089>People belong where they belongSpoken like someone who definitely doesn't belong where he is and is terrified of that being rectified. >A team with nothing in common>Ahhhh how can I possibly talk about video games with a BLACK PERSON!?
>>734271094The facts are firmly rooted in reality. Niggers and women offer no benefit in video game companies.
>>734271138I assume if those experts always make them lose money they'll be out of money as well soon
>>734271061It's funny, because I said equally qualified. The NBA does indeed hire white ballers if they are qualified. Look at Dirk Nowitzki, who is one of the top 10 all time best players. Almost like yeah: They hire by talent not purely by race.
>>734271094if they could do their job why do they have to force them onto their employees? stop projecting and bang your singular braincell against itself for once.
>>734271203You offer no benefit to society
>>734236818>There is not a 5% chance of Concord taking off. There is not a 5% chance of Highguard taking off.According to Google, there are more than 600 "hero shooters" tags in games released from 2020 to 2024 on Steam. This is not reliable, those tags are not good indicators of anything, but yes, the chances of success are MUCH less than 5%, even for million-dollar products.It's quite possible that the chances are closer to 1/1000, and now we are talking about spending 50 billion to get lucky and earn 1 billion...
>>734271210It's all disguised under layers and layers of obfuscation. Also after 5 years the investors have forgotten about it and are bored anyway, having their mind on the next thing already. They're like gamblers.Those advisors make money with advising, not with a successful game. Look how everyone blames chuds or Steam DB.
>>734271286I'm not a nigger so unfortunately for you, I do.
>>734271007>t. hook nosed desert goblin
>>734271280>if they could do their job why do they have to force them onto their employees?Because of racism, welcome to the conversation
>>734271348lmao sure thing bud. it's always someone else's fault that nobody likes you. the reality of the situation is that there's no such thing as racism, you've always been judged by the color of your characters. sadly your character mimics the color of your shit colored skin.
>>734271334You are, in fact, a detriment to society, and the fact that all you have to say in your defence is the colour of your skin proves it. White supremacy upholds unmeritocratic power structures where people like you coast by on their one "qualification", whiteness. That's why you hate DEI.
>>734236089Wow never heard of that and it looks great, def the type of fighting game I'd like to try. Will have to grab next time it's on sale thanks anon. Granted it'll prob sit on my backlog like a million other games (just bought Kenshi this week to play eventually kek) but yeah. I remember some Xbox game with chariot races and other shitty gladiator combat but nothing like this.
This response addresses the majority of /v/'s attempts at dismantling his correct argument.This guy is one of the brains behind Mewgenics, by the way. Huge indie success, sure. But it's not ever making Marvel Rivals money.
>>734271434Simply assuming everyone with dark skin has a shit character is, in fact, not judging them by their character, but by the colour of their skin. This obvious lapse in logic on your part reveals that white skin is, by itself, of no great merit.
>>734271348Problem is, White males are the most discriminated group in corporate America
>>734271440Whiteness is the best quality a man can have because it practically monopolizes competence.
>>734235696>the game failed because they didn't get luckyYeah it couldn't have had anything to do with the quality of the gameplay, the art style or characters, it's all just a gamble and the devs did nothing wrong
>>734270874>stop noticing thingsFun fact: "Noticing things" is another way right way propaganda faggots trick you into believing the slop you believe. Because of the diversity we have in america, in almost any project you can find a jew, or a black person, or a woman, or something else. So when it fails, the culture warrior of choice can just point at them and go: "Just noticing things" and then they point at 50 other fails and groups you don't like, and say "just noticing things". You know another word for that? It's a correlation. And do you know what's the most famous set of words to come after? Correlations... doesn't equal causation! That's right!How many times when you have consumed "just noticing things" content, or someone pointed something out to you with "just noticing", how often have they ACTUALLY had any causal proof that the people they "just noticed" were actual RESPONSIBLE for the project being bad? And of course if a project is good, nobody points them out to you. That would go against the narrative. Here's a fun game: next time you see someone "just noticing" something and pointing at a woman, or a jew, or a tranny, look at the project and see if you can "just notice" some white men. Because they are also always involved. I could point at every fucking flop concord style game and point out the white men and go: "Just noticing there's a lot of white dudes on this project, yikes, now wonder it failed". And you would call me a fucking retard. Rightfully because there is no evidence that it failed because of white men. But someone does it with another group of people that you dislike, and suddenly you're willing to throw logic and proof to the wind? "Ah, a pink haired woman. case closed".
Know what's fucking sad?A hero shooter dev could just "cancel" their current project, reskin it with Touhou characters/setting/story, and it would sell millions. They wouldn't have to change anything else. Just make it touhou. Highguard, Concord, any of these games could just quietly get this reskinning treatment and do gangbusters because weebs are so retarded that they'd snap it right up as long as it had their shitty Touhou characters in it.Seriously. Someone try this right now. I'll invest in it because I know 100% for a fact that I would see a return on this investment, because I've seen it happen countless other times with garbage games that no one would ever give a second look to.
>>734271504Most of them are tho. Intentionally ignoring patterns doesnt make you smart.
>>734271434>There is no racism, black people are just naturally worse human beingsKek, quality 4chan take.
>>734271504mate if you had ANYTHING at all positive to offer people would want to work with you they'd work with you regardless of your skin color or the language you speak. you're your own opressor.
>>734237752nigger, DEI hires is not reduced to skin color. The "white" guy with the mask could be the same DEI hire as the gookette behind him. DEI means that a extern consultant is hired to make your game "less problematic" or "more accessible". Posting your pic proves literally nothing, it just shows your ignorance.
>>734271523lmao sure thing bud. it's always someone else's fault that nobody likes you. the reality of the situation is that there's no such thing as racism, you've always been judged by the color of your characters. >>734271529You are desperate to believe this because you have nothing else to point to in order to prove your alleged "competence". In fact, the less competent they are, the more they will latch onto white supremacy.
>>734271643>there's no such thing as nationality, italians just naturally speak italian
>>734271645>mate if you had ANYTHING at all positive to offer people would want to work with you they'd work with you regardless of your skin color or the language you speak.This is simply not true and in fact this thread shows it. What should we call this? Wishful thinking?
>>734261252List 3 excellent games that are completely unknown
>>734271440>unmeritocratic power structuresYou are assuming that the modern concept of nationhood is real, when it is not. Nations are ethnic entities first and foremost, and have been for millennia.The multicultural American society full of Jews and Indians making fortunes and financing Jewish and Indian interests around the world to the detriment of the American people is just one example. No matter how much intelligent people you have in your "power structures", you will never have the quality of life of a first-world homogeneous nation, with people living in a blood relationship according to their traditions.Now go take your cocktail of drugs to survive in this shitty world you create, because you write like a slut, so if you're not a woman, you must have an effeminate brain who needs drugs to keep from killing itself.
>It's a 5% gamble!>Let's gamble on this DEI infested game>Even if all those other DEI games reliably fail!>>734271664DEI is about undermining power and leeching resources, because no one is powerful enough anymore to stop you. DEI is being a parasite, a virus.
>>734271664>DEI means that a extern consultant is hired to make your game "less problematic" or "more accessible".That's precisely what it doesn't mean, but you people never actually cared about what things mean
>>734271578The fuck are you talking about?
>>734271753>You are assuming that the modern concept of nationhood is real, when it is not.I assumed no such thing and it is completely irrelevant to my argument so I'm not even going to read your post.
>>734271487>This response addresses the majority of /v/'s attempts at dismantling his correct argument.He is assuming it is 5%. It could be 0.5%. Or 0.05%. He chose 5% because it supports his hypothesis. If it is 0.5%, it no longer supports it, because the expense will be greater than the profit.It is insane that you fags do not see the flaw in such a simple argument.
>>734271735How could he, if they're fucking unknown, retard? The point is that we have so much slop, that good shit flies under the radar. And it's only gonna get worse with Ai slop everywhere. Ever spend 3 hours looking for something to watch on netflix only to realize it's too late now to watch anything so you just go to bed? Yeah imagine how much harder it's gonna be to find something good, when millions of people can generate movies and shows at the click of a button and just shit up netflix with it. It's hard to find a good movie between a thousand. It's gonna be impossible to find a good movie between 10 million.
>>734271668This is getting more pathetic by the minute lmao. Get some self-respect.
>>734271912How do you know there are completely unknown excellent games if you don't know they exist?
>>734271967This is getting more pathetic by the minute lmao. Get some arguments.
>>734271556a pink haired woman is far more likely to be mentally ill than a normally haired woman. the science you claim to believe supports this.
>>734272020>no u no u please take my brain damage seriouslyLol.
>>734272056[citation needed]
>>734271912Retard alert. Companies don't take risks or bother polishing things because of situations like highguard. Le gamers constantly say they want something new then berate and actively do everything they can to make every game that isn't warzone or fortnite fail, so devs just say fuck it
>>734271842So you don't even have the intelligence necessary to understand the basis of your own argument.Non-meritocratic power structures are not necessarily a bad thing when you consider that there are other important elements for the health of a society, including not only cultural but also racial homogeneity.Your argument is based on the premise that race is not important, so of course that will affect your conclusion, but you can't even understand that.
>>734272056What does science say about the likelihood of incel /v/irgins being mentally ill>>734272114Concession accepted
>>734272127>So you don't even have the intelligence necessary to understand the basis of your own argument.No, rather, you don't.
>>734235851you're a complete moron. maybe QA and HR but very very obviously highguard had talented programmers, modelers, animators, even their designers did the best they could given the game they had to work on. but it was very obviously a poisoned game from the start from the director and those above him, because of the pitch, from the beginning.
>>734272159livestream your suicide so people outside of your family can laugh too.
>>734237752all the white guys in the world cant save you from tencent and a director who doesnt push back
>>734271236Exactly, which is why no one is clamoring for them to hire more white B-BALLERS. In other industries where DEI must be forced, they are absolutely not hiring equally qualified people and you're a clown if you think they are.
What if they took the $250 million budget and made 250 $1 million games instead? What is the problem with that plan?
>>734272329the world is not ready for 250 concords
>>734272243It very obviously did not have talented any of that.
>>734235696this argument falls apart if it comes in contact with sex appealit's already a well known phrase in the business that sex sells, there's no gamble if you just put good looking women in the game>but we didmaybe if you're brown you think every white woman you come across is hot
>>734269436This image would be correct if the rich guy was telling the nog that he would give him a cookie if he attacks the white guy.
>>734235696What an absolute fucking retard.
>>734235696If they can invest $200 million to make the game, can't they invest $2 million to keep it running for a year minimum?People will learn not to trust games like these because they keep cutting and running.
>>734272243It was doomed because it became a blank canvas for anything to take out any qualms they have with the entire industry out on (which they did before there was even a gameplay reveal) and it became a proxy for Geoff/games journos in the culture war. The actual content of the game was entirely irrelevant
>>734235696>IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO PREDICT IF A GAME IS GONG TO BE GOOD OR BAD!holy shit, this level of copium
>>734272214Actually, I've already explained all the elements necessary for you to understand what I'm talking about, but you, being the retard that you are, have decided not to read them, so fine, stick to your flawed position.
>>734235696Holy ESL who the fuck writes like this.
>>734272589Stop treating people not being willing to eat shit as a war dude, it's embarrassing.
>>734271782>aktshually it´s the exact oppositefuck off faggot, DEI hires are not only people being put in positions they don´t belong to but are there because of sex/skincolor/disabilities.> you people>Inb4 I´m browner than you
>>734272589Yeah all those 2 million players quit because they wanted to stuck it up to the journalists
>>734272309Anon. you misunderstood. Once again: Affirmative action hiring once again means: It looks at the number of qualified groups in an area, and if the hired people are way lower than expected based on the available qualified people, then you get preffered pick when you are up against someone equally qualified with no minority background. I'm saying it's not happening in the NBA, because we do not have an epidemic of 7 foot white guys, who sling mad hoops, who are clammering to get into the NBA, but they're doing some "reverse racism shit", In fact: they hire every talented white person they can find. Diversity quotas is not just "You need to have X% of any race!" it's "If a group of people is qualified and applying, they need to receive equal consideration and chance to be picked".
>>734235947That's not what they're saying, retard. They're saying that investors go "MAKE A TRENDCHASING GAAS GAME WITH MICROTRANSACTIONS, FUCK THAT THEY ALL FLOP WE WANT FORTNITE MONEY AND ARE WILLING TO GAMBLE"Which is true.
>>734272860Good luck fighting with whatever mental condition turned you into this.
>>734271556>"Noticing things" is another way right way propaganda faggots trick you into believing the slop you believe.STOP NOTICING THAT PART
>>734272730I'm not washing a war, I'm pointing out the others who did. Are you literate?
>>734273098I am going slightly crazy with how much "just noticing things" is just: "I don't have the slightest bit of proof that woke is at fault, but I noticed some woke here so that's probably it" and a billion retards just nod along with it. HAVEN'T WE ALL LEARNED IN FUCKING SCHOOL THAT YOU NEED TO PROVE THE FUCKING CAUSE NOT THE FUCKING CORRELATION????Like, even if woke IS the reason it sucks in some of these instances: They've done fucking nothing to actually prove it. Is this just me being lawyer brained? Is everyone retarded?
>>734238251This. It's literally just because the games industry is in a bubble and actual creatives are few and far between. It's EXTREMELY simple to create a clone of some hero shooter where every guy is some quirk chungus representation checkbox with 3 abilities and an ultimate skill on a cooldown. It's hard to make a game that's actually fun or distinct.Look at Riot for example. They make shitloads of money but the only two games they've made are literally copies of custom maps from games that came out in 2001. You can't just throw money at the problem and create good games, the industry is seeing that problem play out in real time right now. I have my own armchair theories about why there are no good games anymore but that's unrelated to this thread. The real issue is that there's no schizo conspiracy, jews don't care about making your videogames bad, the talent pool is actually just completely bereft of good ideas and the good ideas that do exist aren't given funding because the money is drying up and investors only want to take safe bets.
>>734272641It's easy for us.It's hard for a 55 year old investment advisor who has never played a video game and only knows that Fortnite and CoD make money.
>>734273293You've certainly demonstrated your mental retardation multiple times throughout the thread.
>>734235947He's not wrong.Objectively 100 % true that the best arcade shooter of 2025 deserving massive success was Sektori, but no one played it.Many such cases.
>>734273317Funny that you mentioned Riot because they keep forcing nigger champions that nobody gives a shit about.
>>734273382Nice counter argument you gave.
>>734235696This. It's just random and no dev can know what went wrong. It's like the powerball and I'm having a blast.
>>734271643All evidence, like black on black murder rates, points towards that being true. Reality is racist.
>>734273512Yeah I know literally nothing about League of Legends in current year, I'm sure their issues with creativity are also reflected in that game. I know Valorant is supposed to get a new character every couple months but hasn't had one in 6 for similar reasons. It's really easy to iterate on things that already exist and tweak them and put your own spin on them, and to an extent that's good and plenty of good games exist that were the result of someone taking a shitty game with a solid concept and iterating on it. But at some point you have to do something new, and the big names in the industry forgot how to do that.
>>734273293Yeah it's just a coincidence that all the DEI infested dev teams have ugly characters
>>734271668>lmao sure thing bud. it's always someone else's fault that nobody likes youApply this logic to blacks and racism.
>>734238519You know the guy in OP made Mewgenics right?
>>734235696Its not fucking gambling to make a good gameIts a skillHighguard was not a good game by a fair few metrics
>>734273382Anon, do you know why you just called me a retard? It's a defense mechanism. By just calling me a retard, you convince yourself that you don't need to pay any attention to my posts. That anything I say is just mindless babble by an idiot. Because you are afraid that if you read actual facts, you might realize that you are wrong. That you have been tricked into a shitty world view, by culture warrior faggots who are trying to exploit you for money. And boy, that's a hard fucking thing to come to terms with. So instead of letting that nagging feeling in that something I said might be right, to accept the fact that you have zero counters for anything I have said in this thread, you just call me a retard, allowing you to dismiss anything I have said out of hand, without needing to think about it. You are sticking your head in the sand, my ostrich friend. I hope you come out sooner rather than later.
>>734273776Anon, were there ugly characters before DEI?
As someone who doesn’t play live service shit. I cannot tell you what makes shit like Arc Raiders more successful than Marathon or Rivals more successful than overwatch, or CSGO more successful than Valorant and all other live service slop. This shit literally all looks the same to me
>>734273293It's like people never learned that correlation doesn't equal causation.
>>734274284I called you a retard because it's the only argument you're capable of comprehending. Your imaginary war is stuck in your own head.
>>734274346no. in the era before DEI the world was pure and soulful.
>>734274360>Arc Raiders more successful than MarathonMore casual friendly.>Rivals more successful than overwatchNot afraid of making sexy characters.>CSGO more successful than ValorantThird-party black market economy.
>>734274457>notice nigger(cause)>don't buy game(correlation)>-1 salessimple enough for your sub 60 iq?
>>734245809Somewhat ironically the head of Larian is pretty much this and BG3's insane success was the epitome of maverick game dev in this age, but people dont take that as an example and like to call it woke dei sloppa
>>734274532Before dei there was esg, actually.
>>734274657and before esg things were fake and gay. and before fake and gay you were a faggot for playing x game.
>>734274346There were ugly characters but they were the minority and most of the characters were attractive
>>734235696this is why they say the first million is the hardest to make. after that you can just throw money around and eventually something will stick and make you even more money.
>>734274715How is that different from what we have now? The majority of characters are conventionally attractive, and some are ugly.
>>734274829> The majority of characters are conventionally attractivelol, lmao. save some of that desperation for attention for tomorrow wannabe troll.
>>734273317There is a woke cultural Marxist angle though. It's just very, very small and limited, and gamers then over apply that argument to trash anything that isn't their game of choice to validate that their game of choice is the best.
>>734273485It didn't see widespread success because 8 total people play that genre
>>734274829There are basically no attractive characters in modern games
>>734273685All of the wildly successful games also have these elements. The only exception I can think of is cs2 but that isn't because of a creative directive
10000 gorillion years later and science still can't explain how shoving a nigger as the new spiderman improved spiderman but you're a culture warrior nazi bigot if you notice how lame it is.
i get it, we're used to dei woke garbage but don't dilute the discussion by forcing highguard into that mold. highguard is not "woke", it's just bland. boring, it's uninspired. you don't need to go as far as to call it a subversive piece of shit like concord was. it's clearly not on that levelcalling highguard a woke this or that is ridiculous when shit like the saints row reboot exists, or something like dustborn exists
>>734274829The difference is that the majority of the main characters and main supporting cast were decently attractive and usually existed as characters rather than that obvious modern token representation.You also didn't a cohort of devs, game journalists and twitter trannies screaming at you and calling a racist or whatever when you pointed out that the bad characters are bad.
>>734275303>it's not gay enough so don't call it gayshove that gay nigger mutt they used on the cover into your ass and pull on his nose.
>>734275439The women in the game are attractive though
>>734275519good joke but save your best for the clown college degree.
>>734275619Literally has absolutely no clue what highguard is yet entered a thread and began discussing it. The absolute state of game discourse in the current year
>>734274903Sure there is. You know the funny thing is I actually know people who literally work in DEI departments for tech and games companies. These people spend 100% of their free time bitching that nobody listens to them and that their recommendations are ignored beyond being required by HR to avoid negative social media campaigns. The extent to which /v/ thinks these people have pull is so hilarious to me, they're seething just as hard as the raging dorks online are.
The "modern" audience strikes again, will the industry learn any lesson? Doubtful
>>734274871No for real. The majority of video game characters ARE attractive. Some might not be your type, granted. But that is how it is. I mean fuck, some of the prime examples of "ugly" characters these days are not even ugly characters. We all know Aloy from Horizon is butt-ugly right? Fucking wrong. There's that one unfortunate pic where the camera gives her a bit of a nikocado face, but fucking look at her. her face is fine. She's aslo hella slim, flat belly, thin arms, hourglass figure under that armor. She's not exactly my type but looking at this woman and calling her ugly? Lmao, she's very clearely conventionally attractive. >>734275084What about the women in Resident Evil? What about Nioh 3? What about Hades II? What about Stellar Blade? What about Expedition 33? What about AI Limit? What about Monster Hunter Wilds? What about Final Fantasy 7 remake? What about Marvel Rivals? What about Metaphor? What about Tekken 8? What about Baldurs Gate 3? What about Deadlock? Just going through my steam library in reverse release order here and it looks to me like the majority of games still have attractive people in them.
>>734275710That's why they need regulations to have their way, which is what DEI is.Think about the fact that they're paid to waste other workers' time
>>734275439i already said, highguard has bad presentation. it's as uninteresting as the brown dude on the cover you're mentioning. it's very clearly a part of why it failed. i'm just saying that comparing the concord comparison is extreme
>>734275802>There's that one unfortunate pic where the camera gives her a bit of a nikocado faceAnd you do realize that they could've just fixed that if they wanted to, right?
>>734275915yeah it's extreme. extremely funny.
>>734275982Anon, there's no fixing finding a bat camera angle. The most attractive woman in the world (rynkerbelle) could take a shit picture at a terrible angle with an unflattering focal length and look unattractive. The fact that you can take unflattering pictures of attractive people doesn't make them unattractive. Same applies in video games. Lara in 2013 tomb raider was younger but still attractive. But she looks terrible in this shot. So I guess the uglification started in 2013?
>>734275802Dude she looks like nikocado in the pic you posted
>>734275710I said it rarely has significant impact in the art/product. Of course the companies will have this sort of managerial dei class but whatever impact that has is mostly only internal.
>>734235947Successful doesn't equal good, and part of the reason (((investors))) keep throwing money at obviously-doomed-to-fail projects is because they don't understand what makes good games good, or successful games successful.Sure there are factors you can control to improve a game's chance of getting popular, but whether your game gets popular or not (i.e. where it falls on the Fortnite to Concord spectrum) is never guaranteed.
>>734276282This just tells me you want to fuck nikocado.
>>734276370You're the one that thinks someone with the face of nikocado looks fuckable.
>>734276257>The most attractive woman in the world (rynkerbelle)A'ight, glad to know you're just trolling and shitposting.
>>734276332What makes games successful rarely has much to do with the gameplay itself. Marketing/cultural embrace is far more important to success in the current year
>it's pointless to analyze "what could they have done differently"Bullshit. Everything he said up to this point was correct but now he's just trying to remove all responsibility from the devs for making a bad game.
>>734261252highguard had 2 million unique players try it out and thought it was utter shit and quit within 91 minutes, your retarded excuse isn't holding up.
>>734235947Tyler makes banger after banger but his only successful games have Edmund Mcmillen pretending he made them.That's not a lottery but idk what that is.
>>734276404I see a lot of yapping, not a lot of disproving.
>>734276781Strange that you'd consider a single sentence yapping when you keep dropping pararaphs after paragraphs to say nothing.
>>734235696just don’t take a job for a shitty company?
>>734235696Fucking this >>734276486And the studio's leadership is at fault too, according to Scherier's reporting. Goddamn, it's infuriating seeing retarded faggots constantly talk about billionaires, acting as if everyone else lacks autonomy and personal accountability. If investors are clueless, then developers themselves should know that hero shooters are a saturated market, doubly so when your character design and art style looks so incredibly generic.Then you have even stupider cunts like pic related blaming it on consumers, all to deflect from poor creative choices and terrible ideas.
>>734261252Highguard is neither unknown nor unplayed.
>>734235696Good thing about this kind of VC gambling is that the money lose went to devs that will went back to economic when they were layoff and has to spend their saving, instead on useless products/factory equipment that have to be pull down/landfill and bad for environment.
>concord>50 mil budgetLOL
>>734243920how’s that working out for them
>>734235851NOOO YOU DONT UNDERSTAND. THE FACELESS EXECUTIVES FORCED US TO MAKE THIS EXACT GAME AND DICTATED EVERY SINGLE DESIGN DECISION
>>734275802Yeah you listed the few games from the past 5 years that have attractive characters and what do you know, they sold well and were popular, unlike DEI shit like Concord
Kill niggerjews.
>>734272243Maybe those talented programmers, modelers, animators, and designers should have replaced the incompetent director?
>>734276781Find a good camera angle of ladycado, i'll wait.
>>734275802>Posts pic where she looks ugly as wellI dont normally call women ugly but her face is a 2/10
>>734277247Concord had attractive characters, too. If I told you this character was from a new Old Republic game nobody would bat a fucking eye. Yeah Concord had some horrendous fucking character design with some of the others (not woke btw, wokes mocked the shitass design as well. Just because it's black and brightly colored, doesn't mean it's fucking woke) but that's not why the game failed. The game failed because it was an uninspired overwatch clone with no unique hooks or interesting innovations / changes. I'm so sick of the fucking "woke character designs killed concord" narrative. As if ANYONE would have played that fucking game if all characters were ultimate sexo. You could offer me free blowjobs from my favourite onlyfans model for as long as I'm playing Concord, and I'd fucking pass because the game was just fucking bland and ass, the problems go way beyond: "Boy these characters look ass".
>>734275802That hair still looks fucking hideous.
>>734277953>Concord had attractive charactersStopped reading here, you should kill yourself
>>734277953>not woke btw, wokes mocked the shitass design as wellSure, sure.... Those people also mocked Overwatch's diversity chart too, not realizing that such things are born precisely from the same ideology they have been spewing for years (intersectional feminists, the type that would get triggered over tits and ass, muh stronk independent wahmen, approved Representation™, micro aggressions, and other bullshit no one gives a fuck about).Also. that character isn't attractive so much as it isn't completely hideous. She just looks generic.
>>734276257>>734275802Dude, this were female characters before. They didn't even give alloy a classic loincloth miniskirt although it would have been appropriate for the setting. It tells everything on what has changed.
>>734278031Anon, you are a retard fanatic. Yes, concord had ugly ass characters. But are you telling me that the woman I posted is not a conventionally attractive female? Are you fucking retarded? CLEARLY I didn't say "everyone in concord was peak" you fucking mongoloid. Just because overally most characters were ass, doesn't mean that there were no attractive characters in the game. That's why fucking nobody takes you faggots serious. Because you can be presented with actual facts, and you just piss your pants and close your eyes and then it's like "oh, there's nothing there!"
>>734272243If they played their game without any suck ups they would have told them it is boring
>>734238251funding is irrelevant they do it for the pure love of the game
>>734278480>But are you telling me that the woman I posted is not a conventionally attractive female?Naah, she looks like a mid asian I see at Walmart. If you can't the non-mid face, then at least show more of the sexy body and not cover it all up.
>>734278430Okay? But then don't say "There are no / barely any attractive characters any more" and say: "There are barely any oversexualized characters any more". Because then I'd agree. That design has become rather rare. And we can talk about this being good or bad or neutral all day. Again: I even agree that it has become more rare. But don't say "ATTRACTIVE" characters have become rare, when clearly there are still majority attractive characters around. Then I'm gonna call you a retard. There's a difference.
>>734278727I see you prefer your women in burka
>>734235696>throws spaghetti at wall>some stick>99% is wastedW-WE WON BOYS
>>734278480>brown skin>that shitty eye makeup>manjaw>resting bitch faceThat's not attractive, that's a meh
>>734270679>And I can tell you multiple instances where blah blah blahBut you won't. Because you can't.
>>734278727People with conventionally nice faces are everywhere, including the real world. I am not gonna be wowed with a random girl that I can see walking by, but I am gonna notice a hot body/outfit, you can even say I'll be attracted to it. In the end what I am supposed to feel by seeing an average girl in a videogame? Right, nothing. However, a hot one...
>>734278394>To prove that concord is woke... I'm gonna post some unrelated crap from an entirely different company! >Those people also mocked Overwatch's diversity chart too, not realizing that such things are born precisely from the same ideology they have been spewing for yearsIt actually is not. Because this is not their ideology. This is a billion dollar corporation stealing progressive ideas and perverting them in order to make a fat profit of the backs of marginalized groups. It is the exact opposite of woke. Just because it is using woke language, doesn't mean it actually furthers woke causes in a meaningful way, or is actually woke. If you believe just because a company presents itself as woke, it is woke, then you are a useful gullible idiot to them and you probably believe Lockheed Martin is woke because the put out rainbow banners on pride. Imagine if ICE started deporting white people, saying: "Well, it's our job to deport immigrants and your family immigrated to this place, you are not native american". That would be using the language of far right deportation politics. But it would not be in the spirit of it. It would be a perversion of white supremacist anti immigration policies. >She just looks generic.The difference between looking generic and iconic is if the piece and media it's from fucking slaps or not. Anyway: generic yes: but also clearly conventionally attractive.
>>734277953Chyna but vaguely Asian isn't the hill you want to die on.
>>734237752Yeah and, despite this, there is only 1 white male hero in the game, because someone told them that every game they will make, from now on, NEEDS to feature an happy human rainbow and represent this or that specific group of people or else. Even if the entire team was all white males.I don't find this very fair desu
>>734279116But that's again shifting the goalpost. Now character has to "wow" you. The original claim was that there are no more attractive characters. Oh turns out attractive characters are fucking everywhere still, okay so now it has to be "incredibly attractive characters". Like I said: If you wanna make the argument that "oversexualized women that only exist for a male audience to stare at their tits" has become rare, I'd fully agree. But the original point was: "attractive characters have all but died out" and that just flatout ain't true. Plus: Kind of a double standard, because male characters never had to have "wow" factors. We always had guys that were just kinda average in shit like the GTA series, Jason Brody, max Payne. All just... regular dudes. Nobody ever went: "Why the fuck did they put an average dude in this game??"
>>734235696>Midwit trying to sound sophisticated
>>734279184>This is a billion dollar corporation stealing progressive ideas and perverting themWoke does exactly what it says on the fucking tin, you nonce. You'll be guilty of "cultural appropriation" for having dreadlocks if you're white, or if wearing an "inappropriate" Halloween costume. You are racist if you refuse to bend the knee or raise your fist in solidarity of the BLM movement because "silence is violence". Pointing out differences between men and women was enough to get you labeled sexist or a transphobe. Whatever control corporations have, people still fucking CHOSE to lay in the middle of the fucking street to protest fossil fuels.This shit was taught at high prestige universities with teachers and students following suit, it infected creative industries with retarded slogans like "The future is female" and numerous race swaps of well established fictional characters and even historical ones. You're attempting to rewrite history / shifting the blame and casually handwave that such a movement required useful idiots for it to propagate itself for several years in the first place.
>>734238251it's really clear how many of you basement dwellers do not work in corporate america and don't understand how much of a leftist fem cult it is
>>734235696Nah. If you have billions and you need to spend 50 mill for a 1/1000 gamble it will make a billion or more, thats a terrible risk reward. You need 1 in 20 to succeed, but then your odds are still 1/500. So 1/500 chance to make a billion or lose a billion.Dont listen to poor people for finance knowledge
>>734235696lol kwab dogshit game go brrrr
>>734279184>Anyway: generic yes: but also clearly conventionally attractive.When people call something average or generic, by definition they're not feeling much attraction to it.
