How important is game preservation?
>>734306429>file a report Can't he outright sue them if it's that valuable?
>>734306429 Extremely. This is exactly why.50 copies in existence and one braindead customs agent can just *delete it from reality* because it looks like a “suspicious plastic square.” Physical media isn’t immortal, it’s just slower entropy.People meme about “just emulate it bro” but if nobody dumps that floppy, that version of Tsukihime might as well have never existed. Companies don’t care, governments don’t care, and collectors hoard sealed shit like dragons instead of archiving it.Game preservation isn’t about nostalgia, it’s about not letting media vanish because of incompetence, malice, or corporate apathy. The only reason half of 90s PC/console history is playable is because some turbo-autists refused to let it die.Dump your discs. Scan your manuals. Archive everything. Don’t trust institutions to do it for you.
are you retarded? the tsukihime disk was valuable because it was one of the original trial disks, not because it contained extremely rare data or some shit you fucking mongoloid retard. the actual game's data is already on the net, so your image is just completely irrelevant to your question. also this thread has already been made 1000 times before, 100000 times if we're talking about actual game preservation and not the tsukihime disk incident. the quality of this board sure has fallen sharply lately. what happened?
>>734306608AI generated reply, very cool
>>734306429I "played" tsukihime and I'm really not sure what all of the fuss is about.MC is gay, you don't end up with the vampire, your "sister" isn't actually your sister, and there is no route to end up with Yumizuka. Melty Blood is at least a real game series, maybe that's why people love it so much?
>buy something>US government destorys itKill all customs agents
>>734306776>coherent writing = AIzoom zoom
>>734306429>Be customs agent>See reported value>5 figgies? Bullshit>rip it apart >Woops haha I guess it was just a floppy disk here you go nerd
>>734306429tspmongl but unironically
>>734306429Some nigger zoomer at customs didn't know what a floppy disc was.
>>734306608But do we really need to preserve the demo version of Tsukihime for all eternity?
>>734308854>two separate examples of "it isn't [x], it's [y]" in one postRight up there with the em dash as a clanker giveaway.
>>734308854are you implying AI writing is incoherent? Do you have down syndrome?i was calling it AI because it was a huge, structured reply posted very shortly after the thread was posted, not because of coherency or some shit. dafuq
>>734306429it was preserved quite well until the westerner tried to appropriate it
>>734309079What race is this?
>>734306590Probably not the government is generally above the law
>>734309261This has to be the most obvious give aways for current AI writing, also how it puts quotation marks around parts of the prompt when it includes it in the response
>>734306429Stop sending CSAM to the US and being surprised that it is destroyed so it can never be used.
>>734310473>>734309261>>734306776Why are you replying to yourself?
>>734309770>a short paragraph is "huge"oh so you're an even bigger retard than i assumed, good to know
>>734306608>Physical media isn’t immortal, it’s just slower entropy.I hate this AI pattern of speech
>>734310605You have to be trolling (poorly)
>>734309105You don't get a arbitrarily decide what is or isn't valuable, faggot.
>>734310613I find it hard to believe that anyone is getting AI writing past even their 98iq high school teacher
>muricans have the 2a to "revolt against tyranny">Won't do shit when the governement destroy their shit because "muh drugs war"
>>734310795Well that would require a student to have the writing skills of an AI first.
>>734306590No, customs has the exclusive right to seize or destroy anything you import or export through them.
>>734310719Neither do you. The point is, if anyone wants something, it'll get preserved. You don't need to go out of your way preserving every single thing just for the sake of preservation. Not everything has value.
hoarding is mental illness and the majority of vidya ever made was not worth more than 30 seconds of consideration by anyone
>>734306429It's super important. Luckily the data on that floppy has already been archived. But it still sad to see a rare physical copy like that be destroyed.
>>734309105Yeah. That version of game has early character artwork and CGs, AND a early story draft in it. It's extremely valuable in terms of Type-Moon's history.
>>734311646if the guy cared that much why didnt he go to japan to pick it up
>>734306429gachafaggot deserve it
>>734306429>pedonime gameAnd nothing of value was lost
>>734306429Sorry mexican fag, it more important to make sure drugs don't enter in the country than something that can get easily preserve in a digital way, it a fucking floppy, make a copy and share it, if there's only 50 and no copy online then it's already lost, no one would want to share it, it already lost media.
>>734311646ok and most gamers don't give a fuck about type moon so what does it matter
>>734312485>it already lost media.Thankfully the content of that specific build of Tsukihime has already been archived. It just sucks that one of the only 50 physical copies in the world was destroyed.https://moonlitarchives.com/static/games/pc/1999-08-15%20Tsukihime%20Preview/
Man I wish I was filthy rich enough to buy things like this and record myself going pee pee on them or returning them to the publishers and in so doing making faggots around the world madder than ever through no fault of my own
>>734306429
>>734312653nothingburger
>>734309079>>734306608more likely they saw the anime artstyle and the fact that it was digital media and went "ah, this must be pedo shit"they do that in Canada all the time
>>734312842That's a good one.
>>734306608>The only reason half of 90s PC/console history is playable is because some turbo-autists refused to let it die.I don't fucking care. It's just entertainment.
>>734313079You care enough to actively participate in this thread.
>>734312923But I thought everyone loved anime now...
>>734313160>thread>participateI don't think of 4chan like that. I've never even played tsukihime and never will.
>>734306590Filing a report probably means filing an insurance claim, and the package was very likely fully insured for the price paid. No point suing since all you can really do is get the amount you paid back for it, any higher value is speculative.
I've seen several posts like this over the years, when will people learn that you don't order rare and expensive shit from other cuntries. Go in person if it's rare, it's as much on the retard that ordered it since every autist on sites like 4chan and reddit have seen posts like this over the years.
>>734306429It’s important that games are preserved in some way. Beyond that, original copies aren’t that precious.
>>734313725The problem is if its too rare and obscure, you can't easily find it in a store. You'd need someone scouting for it, or have the store promote it. Both avenues would mean the item would be even more valuable due to the extra attention, in a way. There are some stupid obscure things I hunt for that only seem to appear in auction sites. I'd be a fool to go to Japan looking for them unless I knew for certain they were for sale at a specific store and no one bought it yet.I think buying online is fine, but they probably should have shipped it with a bunch of other stuff. That Pokemon Yellow copy had the same issue I believe.I mean, if you were a customs agent, what looks more suspicious?>$3000 game being shipped by itself that weighs less than the cardboard its packaged inor>$3500 package with multiple items, weighing a decent amount, and one of the items just so happens to be valued at $3000Still doesn't excuse what happened regardless.
>>734312923>see a drawing >instantly think about abusing children hating anime is the most consistent and largest red flag that someone is a pedo
>>734315261I don't like anime because I hate the tropes and writing, and it's everywhere now
>>734315173>There are some stupid obscure things I hunt for that only seem to appear in auction sitessurely you can opt for pickup or local deliverythe floppy disc in OP was sent by some guy in fucking portugal anyway
>>734306429it’s not really that important for posterity but you have the right to own something for life when you pay for it and game preservation achieves that
>>734306429>a disquette in 2026?! nice try, there are drugs inside
>>734312842where's his dick? there's no bulge
>>734316430>must be invisible to xrays, lets just cut it into pieces>whoops nothing lol
>>734306429Man, FUCK the DHS.
>>734309261I don't understand why people do this if you can't think of anything to add to the conversation, just don't say it instead of letting AI generate a post for youit's not your opinion that's getting (you)s, so what's the point?
>>734306429>game preservation>just a regular floppy from a store with no special branding or anything>contents have been online for years>collectors will pay big money for thisMental illness.
>>734306429The floppy has been backed up and is available on the internet it honestly doesnt matter that some plastic was shredded.Its not like having it rotting in some guys drawer would help with any preservation whatsoever.Just sucks for the guy because of the sentimental value he projected onto it I guess.
>>734312565most "gamers" dont give a fuck about anything and are a waste of air so better people have to put some work in to keep things alive.
>>734306429why did they destroy it?was some guy like "oh this game is for faggot weebs, check this out" before smashing it with a hammer or something?
>>734319091It was just a regular floppy from 1999 anyway. Nasu was a nobody, he just bought a stack of 50 floppies, and copied the files from his computer manually on each of them. Then printed out the inserts. You can literally recreate this "invaluable historical artifact" yourself.
>>734319178Because the customs agent was an american.
>>734313079kill yourself.
>>734306429this is what they get for not putting the remake on steam
>>734310719Yes I do
>>734306429Game preservation? No.Game piratation? Yes!
>>734319321Myrient is getting shut down on March 31.
Games are not important.>>734319178American customs employees, if you have never interacted with them, are literally the dumbest people on the planet.To cut them some slack, some of it, at least for some of them, is probably just an act they put on because they're trying to stress people out and it's easier to just pretend you're a retard.The customs person probably literally didn't know what a floppy disk was and thought it was a clam shell thing you could open and get the disk out of, and got angry when they couldn't figure out how to open it.
>>734319384Based.
>>734312565Most gamers just play Madden and Call of Duty and Roblox and Fortnite and Minecraft. Of those, only the Minecraft autists will really archive everything. History is important no matter how insignificant it may be in the present day.
>>734306429When I see shit like this happen, just realize that if you're in the US, the customs agents are retarded and there's a great chance they'll fuck it up. Something that rare and in low quantities, and with underage looking anime girls on it. Don't buy it unless you're in Japan and bring it back yourself, and even then that's a risk.
>>734310198wigger
>>734319870Tsukihime girls don't look underage
It's very important, especially when the same companies of the games which are the target of preservation wants to limit your experience with their games onwards.I feel especially bad about the floppy situation because aside from now only 49 being left, it's part of the more obscure history that shaped Type-Moon and Fate/Tsukihime further down the line into the IP they are today. Getting that destroyed on the baseless grounds of insinuated pedophilia (Because not looking up the name of the items they're inspecting in case of doubt) is infuriating to the customer who is stuck between financially expensive options to combat it since he got the most attention for potential coverage at the moment, to those who value preservation (Because if you search us customs floppy on google or any search machine, the first news articles exclusively cover this case with the emphasis on the rarity of the property rather than focusing on the eroge elements with comment sections expressing their support for holding US customs accountable, rendering their argument in defense worthless) and to the Japanese who will feel more reluctant to sell their collectibles or items overseas (Shit got so bad even a few japanese politicians jumped on board of dogpiling US Customs).Unironically, this is the most traction that Tsukihime has received since the release of the Near side Moon remake and it's primarily about every country dogpiling the US for not having any standards to not fuck up their job.
>>734319178Looking at some of the comments apparently the way the Japanese dude very carefully packaged it was reminiscent of how drugs are packaged so they tore that shit up looking for the drugs I guess. Seems weird to smash open the floppy but they really thought that shit was somewhere
>>734320150There are tools for tracking drugs. There are fucking tutorials online for safely dismantling and reassembling a floppy disk.This was deliberate.
>>734309770This dumbass cant comprehend logic as simple as "A rectangle isn't necessarily a square." Look at him and laugh.
>>734309105I'd put it on the top 10% of vidya related content worth preserving, so yeah.
>>734306590Because the Republican Party (Conservative) controlled Supreme Court (Highest court in America) just made a ruling that you cannot sue the Postal Service even if they intentionally withhold or destroy your mail (United States Postal Service v. Konan). This was done to push voter suppression so bad actors in the postal service can destroy or seize mail in ballots to interfere in future elections though.However, the clear unintended consequence is shown in the OP where your average normalfag custom worker who sees anything anime will be allowed to destroy or 'lose' it, and you cannot seek damages even if it was done in malice.But there's also this, >>734313527 NEVER under report the value of what you ship, you might save on some taxes, but if it's actually destroyed or lost during shipping, you're fucked if you need to collect on insurance.>>734320150It's also a sitution of 'The nail that sticks out gets hammered down' Where because it's so overly protected, it raises a red flag in of itself. Same thing happened with that Pokemon Yellow game that went through the grading scam system. >>734311439>>734312653That's the good news, ironically, the destruction of the disk will probably push more people to download and archive it.
How do we know they didn't do it, themselves?
i buy whack shit from china all the time and customs has never even bothered to inspect my packages.
>>734320616Is it from an individual or a company? Customs tends to ignore packages that come from established companies.
>>734306429kwab
>>734312485Retard
>>734313079>don't careApathy is cringe anon, you don't mind someone taking these options away from you because your a weak wristes slob. You've convinced yourself you don't care because you feel powerless.
>>734320510TDS
>>734321414>pedo code
>>734316430yeah they thought the paper inside the floppy was acid
>>734310851Why are you thirdies obsessed with the fact we own guns and you can't?
>>734306590The package was being shipped by DHL. Pornography is on their list of prohibited items. Someone likely saw the 'adults only' label on the front and destroyed it. Wouldn't blame this one on customs.
>>734320320Do you think that worker cared?
>>734308854Fool>>734309079>>734310198Noomer, lol
>>734322271Typically, you'd get a notification from DHL about it. There are barely any records of items being destroyed in Germany because of the rating label for instance but rather a notice for refusing to deliver the item.Adults only and Pornography are also two distinct matters. Closely tied together, yes, but ultimately separated.
>>734309261I use emdashes a ton, but mostly because I'm an ERP fag— I'll never stop being mad knowing how many of my chatlogs are probably fueling the slop machine and making my writing look worse by association.
>>734321326He's beyond powerless. He's basically a re zombie. He only knows hunger and taking a shit afterwards.
>>734322064You don't own a gun, firsty. Having millions of chin fentanyl zombies in your streets is now an accomplishment according to you. Kek and topkek.
>>734322064Because despite your gov being a bunch of retards, niggers burning down your country, your elites being pedo satanist and crack zombies everywhereYOU WON'T DO SHIT MUTT, MUH FREEDOM IS A MEMEPALANTIR WILL SEE YOU, GOVERNEMENT WILL DRAFT YOU FOR ISREAL AND NIGGER WILL BEAT YOUR CHILDREN AT SCHOOLAND YOU WON'T DO SHIT LMAO
>>734323626Forgot to add that said child beater will never get a punishment
>>734306608it's been on archive for years, chatgpt-kun....
>>734306590Depends on the amount that got paid.
>>734306429Very important, just as preserving art or culture, lest you lose it.
>>734313527It's still worth suing so the one who did it could face consequences like being tracked down and killed.
>>734306429The only way to preserve it is to digitalise it.Digital media can get corrupted so it's not fool proof but even then, it's possible to fix some digital media that's got corrupted. It's impossible to fix anything physical that's corrupted, the only thing you can do is hope that the data loss isn't too bad.Personally I think game preservation is important. Part of who I am is inspired by the video games I played growing up, part of it is inspired by the games I played with my dad.In the future when I have sons, do I want to rely on the gaming industrys future media to inspire my sons or do I want to share with them my childhood? It's an easy choice.
>>734306429Very.You guys have no idea how much media, even digital ones of good quality are gone.Take for example quality JAVs. Some faggot decided to host a lot of JAVs but in 720p (so that thirdies can stream it), then seeders die and rationalize it that people can stream it anyways. And now everyone can't find high quality JAVs and the only ones available are in shit quality.
Letting some media die is not a bad thing, actually, especially when preserving it becomes too expensive and complicated.For example, I was playing PIAS on PC-98. It's a visual novel that involves solving a murder and has adult scenes with the girls. The artistic quality is quite poor and the writing isn't the best. It's interesting for those who want to learn about the history of Japanese adventure games, but there's nothing really valuable there, culturally speaking. A simple record with a few screenshots and a description of the game would be enough to "preserve" that game.
>>734321834>>734306429>>734320510Are any of the girls in tokihime even 18? I don't play vns Either way arguing over which Jewish sports all team is actually responsible when it's both of them makes me want to throttle you both>>734318663Are you stupid? If the average user can't tell they're in a zombified Internet that gives the CIA/ NSA/ Google extreme power to act.
>>734329053The classic rule, when someone doesn't want to play the blame gameTheir team is to blame
>US customs fucks over collectorfags againI still laugh at that one retard crying his Pokemon yellow cartridge devalued to zero because customs opened it. Death to these vermin
>>734329736based contrarian-kun. Now let me walk into your house and break all your stuff.
>>734306429Physical copy like this? Not that important though it's nice to have some for redundancy's sake.
>>734310523>>734312430>>734312923If this were CSAM, I'm pretty sure the TSA agent would have it properly seized instead of intentionally destroying evidence of a serious crime and then allowing it to continue to its recipient.
>>734329809Sure thing, buddy. Just be sure to produce your warrant if you dont want your brains splattered on the floor for tresspassing
>>734310198mutt that identifies as white
>>734330037Gonna just make sure to splatter yours beforehand.
>>734312565Most people don't care about video games at all, so I guess we should go ahead and destroy all games, since we're just going with the majority consensus of everyone alive right now to determine what future generations are allowed to have access to.
>>734329809desu that one was fuckin retarded, you can download all pkm yellow versions in a simple google search, dude is just being scammed into paying for "premium" plastic.
>>734330134>>734330037No no that's not how it worksAn officer enters his home illegally because they don't know the law at all, retard anon shoots him, and then the entire local pd, swat, a couple other town's pd's, and a few marshalls come down to watch an officer burn the building OP is in to the ground by "accidentally" throwing a ton of burners in the window.
>>734330134>Nuh uh! I'll kill you!Gotta love the second amendment for constraining wannabe heroes like you on the internet where you belong. But hey, if you're ready to bet your life on it, try your luck
>>734330249It's the principle of it, not the specific case. Besides the point of collecting is to own the physical good.
>>734330298>threatens violence>WOAAAAAAH you threaten me back??? internet hero much?You probably can't even lift a starter pistol without going in cardiac arrest, 'non.
>>734306429this feels extremely fake, I've ordered comic LO and it went through customs unmolested
>>734306429>TsukihimeNothing of value was lost TSA should destroy all of them.
>>734330386> let me walk into your house and break all your stuff.>Sure. I'll defend myself though>NOOOO YOU'RE THREATENING VIOLENCE YOU CANT DO THISIt's not quite kike tier kvetching but still impressive. It's also entirely expected from internet tough guys
>>734330303>the point of collecting is to own the physical goodgamers should strive to playing the fuckin game and beat it to completion, all this premium plastic is noise.im not against physical media as long as he pick that pkm yellow and boot it on his GB/GBC but those graded plastic fags will just let it collecting dust and sell to another retard in some years, what a pointless activity.
>>734330482>>734330386Again: the idea that you can use the 2nd amendment to protect yourself from illegal search and seizure is laughable. A white man got executed in the street for having a legal carry that never left its holster. If you shoot an officer you are going to die horribly and none of the people bringing that death give a FUCK about your rights. They don't even know what they are to begin with.
>>734306429>Customs agent mangles the case and cuts the disk into pieces>...then repackages it and sends it offWhat??? Did this actually happen or is it ragebait? I don't know how American customs works, but would they actually do this? Why?
>>734331021Yes they do this>Why Because if they didn't send the mangled remains to you they'd have to pay for the failed delivery without you having to go through a mess of paperwork you'll probably give up on
>>734310719au contraire bonbrarethe only person whose opinion matters in this world is mine
>>734330996>the idea that you can use the 2nd amendment to protect yourself from illegal search and seizure is laughable.No.the 2nd amendment is to protect yourself from niggers who think vandalism and robbery are justifiable. Want to protect yourself from an illegal search? Dont open the door. Simple as.
>>734328785>The artistic quality is quite poor and the writing isn't the best.You could say that about anything. You could say the original Star Wars isn't worth preserving because it's too grainy and there are a couple of plot holes. You could say your favorite media isn't worth preserving because of any arbitrary flaw.
>>734306590I worked somewhere that's responsible for a lot of global packages (not an actual "mail carrier" though) and in most countries outside the EU you'd have to send decoys and shit because everything would get raped by customs (I realise it now sounds like it was actually shipping contraband), but even in "real" countries customs etc can generally rip the shit out of your post/parcels and just declare "we thought it looked funny"
>>734330482You conveniently left out the part where you instigated by claiming that "erm actually it's a good thing when strangers break your stuff"
>>734331134>Cop busts down your door because he doesn't know what the 4th amendment is and doesn't care and his superior said it's fine.What now, skippy?Hint: the answer is you die, one way or anothet
>>734331303>you instigated by claiming that "erm actually it's a good thing when strangers break your stuff"If I'd actually said that, you would've quoted it. You're such an embarrassment, "hero"
>>734331303>>734329736The actual quote was "death to these vermin [collectorfags]"
>>734331493>What now, skippy?Shoot the fucker.>Bu-but you'll die!If Im going to die regardless, why should I care?
>>734331696>Anon now admits that his 2nd amendment fantasy of shooting an officer that started a warrantless search is a death sentence and he has no rights Glad we could get you there, kiddo.
>>734331683Meant to reply to >>734331621
>>734331752>admitsNever denied it though.>What now? If you do anything, you'll die!>Ok, I'll kill him then.>HA! GOTCHA! You dont have to project and justify your impotence and vulnerability, you know? Just get a gun yourself. It's legal and everything.
>>734331951>Yes you were correct all alongI knowEnjoy your security blanket
>>734331998Sure. You're right. There's nothing you can do. Just kneel down quietly and let the dirty cop put you down like the livestock you are.
>>734332179Geez that sounds gay
>>734332179Yes, that is what you said would happen to you, very goodNot sure why you feel the need to keep hammering my point home
>>734332381Never said I'd kneel.down quietly though.Your desperation to drag others to your level is almost pathetic
Why don't you two fucking kiss already? Videogaymes
>>734330303your principle is retarded. kys.
>>734332473>Still desperately responding AnonYou tried to seem badass on a chinese underwater basket weaving forum by talking about muh 2nd amendment vs warrantless searchesYou immediately caved and admitted you'd get killed horribly.It's time to stop posting.
>>734320510Away Retardera
>>734320510Based US customs
why doesn't someone just buy a box of like, 1000 blank disks and copy it onto all of them.
>>734332803noooooo it was not done by nasu himself so it doesn't count it's just not the sameeeee you just don't get it
>>734322064You have the option to resist, but you choose not to.
>>734332624>by talking about muh 2nd amendment vs warrantless searchesWarrantless searches performed by niggers from 4chanYou made it about cops and started pushing your helplessness narrative which makes zero sense as the fear of getting blown apart is why the cops dont go performing illegal searches on everyone like the stasi (I've never had one). It's why the second amendment exists in the first place.
>>734306701>what happened?AI bots arguing with each other as you can see in this very thread
>>734306429How is this "rare item" different from copying the data to floppy disk and putting it in a plastic bag with a printed paper insideThis is a doujin era amateur stuff, it didn't go through a special printing process to produce this, copy and pasting on to a floppy by-hand is literally what they did to make the fucking demo disk
>>734334024The "original" 0s and 1s are worth more than the copied 0s and 1s.For some reason.
>>734306776> someone articulates their point longer than 2 sentences> "You chatGPTed it!"I hate you so much
>>734320510The thought of them opening it and seeing this, holy kek.We always used to throw the packaging away, the game is what mattered, not the box or even the cartridge itself.
>>734306776>>734334942>>734306608>Physical media isn’t immortal, it’s just slower entropy.I sit corrected then
>>734306429The only real game preservation is piracy. All people trying to do it by "legal means" will be cucked by corporations.
>>734319973To a normie customs agent they do.
>>734331180>You could say your favorite media isn't worth preserving because of any arbitrary flaw.Of course not.You talk as if art were something totally subjective, as if it weren't immediately obvious that the RPG Maker game "Rape Whistle", made in an afternoon by a teenager as a joke, was something disposable.A lot of games are disposable, especially today when anyone can make and release their games to the public.Of course, in an ideal situation, preserving everything is desirable, but there is no ideal situation, and the obsession with trying to preserve absolutely every game will only lead to an unsustainable situation.
>>734318663AI shitpost is still shitpost
>>734306429>>734320510moar customs rape images please
>>734335323Waiting for the day TCRF gets nuked because it talks about cut content from a big game. Thought it'd happen with the recent Minecraft leaks causing Microsoft to go nuts with copyright claims.
>>734309261"He" has not yet "arrived"!
>>734306429>>734306608>>734308820Rope yourselves, pedophiles
>>734344032You must be killed.
>>734344375Right on!
>>734323253I have 4 guns, thirdie>>734333371resist what? some guys fetish porn getting ruined?
>>734310198Hobzoomer
>>734316481I'm busy at work rn but I might make a silly edit when I get home
>>734344902Imagine if they destroyed your computer because they saw 4chan in its history
