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Dialogue is not gameplay. Dialoguevanias aren't games.
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>>734419227
They should have probably changed the UI a little bit instead of just copying it wholesale.
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>>734419468
This. Making the dialogue options the same exact identical shade of orange is just a tad too much.
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>>734419468
Why?
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>Dialoguevanias
?
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WHAT IF DISCO ELYSIUM TOOK PLACE IN QUIRK CHUNGUS MODERN D&D?!
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>>734419227
They are called walkable VNs.
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>>734419680
Dialoguebornevanialikes
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>>734419227
Welcome to Norvik!
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>>734419680
Think its what OP calls Disco-likes i.e. games that imitate Disco Elysium
Heard a term Narrative-RPG thrown around too, but I'm pretty sure its been before Disco came out, I do think it suits them though
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>>734419227
This game is a Discovania light though.
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>>734419227
This game is extremely Critical Role coded.
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>>734419227
When you see this kind of artwork you can be damn sure that the majority of the story will be about homosexual and trans sex.
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>>734420481
Weird.
I played it and those subjects legitimately didn't come up once.
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>>734420314
>>734419227
>>734419680
CRPGs like Fallout and Planescape Torment
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>>734419563
Because making it a 1:1 copy just makes it look like an uninspired rip-off.
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Time passes too fast.
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>>734420481
On Day 3, zero gay shit.
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>>734421182
Oh, you mean “yaplikes?”
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>>734421312
this, I thought it was gonna be a point and click adventure not a fucking Fallout 1 ticking clock to secure the water chip
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>>734421312
Time only passes when you click on a dialogue option you haven't tried before.
1 minute per option clicked.
Seems fairly reasonable to me.
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>>734419227
Can I kiss this orc in the game?
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how woke is this? the women are ugly.
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>>734421312
is there a time limit in this game? can you do everything, or do you need to be careful about who you talk to lest you run out of time?
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>>734422427
It’s about a fantasy kingdom holding its first ever election. The six D&D stats are different voices in your head with different political opinions. Strength is fascist, Dexterity is libertarian, Constitution supports the literally who Agrarian Party, Inteligence wants you to vote for yourself as a dictator, Wisdom is Communist, Charisma is apolitical.
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>>734422651
From what I understand the game ends with the election, so you have five in-game days. And unlike DE the clock never stops so you have less leeway.
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>>734422671
So I should dump wisdom then
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>>734419227
sex with orc women
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>>734419227
You’ve never played a VN tourist?
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Combat is not gameplay. Combatvanias aren't games.
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>>734422671
>fascist
>lolbertarian
>communist
Are these actually the terms used in the game, or are you simplifying it? Because I feel that modern ideologies like that would clash hard with a medieval fantasy world. Do they make up some unique origins of each of the ideologies or are you just supposed to accept that they just exist?
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>>734422671
>Wisdom is Communist,
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>>734422867
I simplified. If you want me to use the in-universe shit Strength supports the Party of Norvik (though they’re also called the Nationalists and the word “fascism” does appear in the game), Dexterity supports the Revolutionary Freestriders, and Wisdom supports the Azgalists.
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>>734422651
You have 5 days to finish the investigation.
Time moves forward whenever you choose a new dialogue option - or during certain events.
This means the player can make 7200 unique questions/statements before losing due to timing out.
4800 if you take a long rest on every day.
This affords you an extremely generous margin of error.
Its basically impossible to fail the investigation unless you are actively trying to.
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>>734419227
dnd for the friendless is a growing genre
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>>734419227
Sanitized fantasy looks so fucking gay.
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>>734423001
It’s Wisdom, not Intelligence. All the stat voices are those stats taken to their most extreme. Wisdom has the best moral compass but doesn’t know or care how practical anything is. There’s a whole dialogue where Wisdom says sexism is wrong but its solution is that we need an extreme matriarchy since women are inherently better than men. It’s Communist because they’re the most idealistic party and it doesn’t care about anything but ideals. Meanwhile Intelligence is good with facts and logic but is also a sociopath. You’re smarter than everyone else, which means you’re better and nothing you do can possibly be wrong. Intelligence is smart but not wise. Wisdom is wise but not smart.
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>>734422798
Wisdom doubles as perception. Its important for spotting traps, secret doors, and hidden stuff.
It also makes your spells considerably stronger.

You want strong spells over numerous spells (INT's domain).
The way combat works incentivizes having a few powerful spells over many weak ones.
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>>734423456
Wisdom should be apolitical and communism should be CHA since all leftism is performative.
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>>734423981
Charisma just wants to please everybody. Politics is touchy, don’t talk about it.
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>Ebb thread
>shitposters trying to trash it blow their load in the first dozen replies
>are quickly drowned out by people talking about the game and enjoying it
I'm nooticing.
Anyway, the game looks cool. Unfortunately, I'm still too addicted to Mewgenics to give it my full attention yet. Soon, though.
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>>734424837
Its cool.
Game's not going anywhere.
Have fun with the cats.
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>>734419227
Disco Elysium was supposed to have a novel combat system integrated into its dialogue mechanics, with equipment and skills. It wasn't supposed to have no combat, I don't think these people get that it was an upward failure, only that it was highly lucrative.
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>>734420314
I reallybhate how new genres are called thing-likes, be a little more creative.
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>>734419227
You can tell everything you need to know about this product just by looking at the westoid dyke face on that thing.
I have no idea what it's called or what it's about, but I could probably describe the contents of the experience pretty accurately.
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>copy disco's innovative thought system
>use boring vanilla d&d setting

What a huge waste of potential
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So obviously Charisma is the best stat, but what is the second best? I lean towards Intelligence personally, though I feel like not having Strength, Dexterity, or Constitution makes certain combats really difficult.
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>>734423981
t. Strength
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>>734429217
Wrong the best is Int and then STR, but cha is the 3rd
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>>734419227
>Woke artstyle
Pass
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So far my biggest complaint is having political stances tied to specific stats, I know disco does the same thing but having 30+ skills vs the standard SDCIWC spread means your chimes are constantly contradicting each other in a way that is not particularly interesting. Like the first prebuilt class, Primal, prioritizes two diametrically opposed political stances.
The game has also convinced me that the d20 system is trash, this game desperately needs something like bg3's inspiration system. Having a +7 in a stat and still failing a sub dc10 check with no recourse is just annoying.
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>>734419227
I tried this and Sovereign syndicate and both sucked ass. Hopefully future Disco likes will be better.
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Fantasy games just aren't the same without racism unironically
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>>734422651
>>734423113
I just finished it with two days to spare. Although I skipped the quests related to the printing press/anything to do with the far west part of town besides rebinding my spellbook. I think the game said I had two and a half days to spare though; I'm not sure exactly how that worked but it seems like you get a shitload of time.

>>734424837
It's the okayest game I've played all week.
No rush.
It's worth playing if you want a little D&D story since there's nothing else in this exact "disco" genre but there's plenty to criticise too.

Barring any major changes in future updates I expect everyone will forget about it when the wave of DE ripoffs inevitably hits.
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>>734419227
I think Disco Elysium gave this style a bad reputation because it's so obvious they used the writing to try and get people to follow their political ideology instead of making the game as fun as possible.
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>>734419227
The fuck is this tumblr shit
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>>734419227
THEY'RE CALLED NARRATIVE CRPGS YOU RETARDED MONGOLOID
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>>734422784
I actually prefer this.
Disco had this weird thing where it inadvertently encouraged you to go back to conversations you’ve already had and pick every option to min/max exp gain.
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>>734419227
CYOAs are games
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>>734423981
>>734424223
Charisma is, “I should be president myself.”
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>>734419227
For a game with artstyle like this it was pretty based
Jews (internal and external) were behind everything
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>>734419227
buy a fucking ad already no one cares about this DEI faggot """game"""
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>>734430461
Latest Disco Elysium like.
Set in DnD setting. Only a demo is out right now.
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>>734419227
Back in my day we called those Visual novels.
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>>734431108
Anon, the game is out
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>>734423456
Constitution has problems man that's all I'm saying. Also who the fuck picks CON to be a prime stat. Me is who fuck the rest fuck poison fuck worrying about HD pools.
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>>734431276
I think CON as a main stat is good for kineticists in pathfinder, but that's, well, pathfinder
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>>734419750
IYUUUUUUUUUUP
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>>734422867
fascism is a term used in game, but that is actualy one of important clues about orgins of the worl
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Why can't I fuck the goblin queen?
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>>734431108
The game is out already. There is a fitgirl repack.

>>734431106
There isn't any DEI shit to speak of.
There is some preachy political faggotry that isn't even dressed up like it is in Disco Elysium, but it's rare and balanced enough by the option to be constantly casually racist/sexist that it didn't piss me off much.
Overall, it's fine.

>>734431021
Isn't that INT? At least the wizard-god-emperor option that I took was INT.
Maybe there's a CHA president option too that I never saw because it was my dump stat.
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>>734429432
Suzerain and Slay the Princess devs both have Disco-likes in the works.
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>>734431838
>Slay the Princess dev
holy shit that game is going to be fucking torture
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>American Political game
>"You have to pick between the Nazi Capitalist Fascists or the Communist Anarchist Authoritarians"
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>>734431838
is there more info?
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>>734431838
>Suzerain
Oh boy, can't wait to play DE but all the stats and checks are invisible so it's literally impossible to beat without a guide.
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>>734431929
I chose the option to make myself god-emperor because everyone else is a retard. Which really resonated with my IRL political stance, which I appreciate.
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>>734419227
>What if we copied Disco Elysium, but more soulless and shitty in every way?
Not only is the gameplay cribbed off of Disco Elysium, even this conversation is. Except Disco Elysium did the gameplay better and it also did this conversation better. Kim brought up his feelings in a way that elicited empathy and understanding, because he could express himself with humanity. THIS "game" is handling it the only way tumblr cunts know how to express themselves: Preachy, resentful bickering and whining.
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>>734431929
All you need are blue fascists and red fascists. Whenever a character brings up the fact both sides are fascist, they get shouted down for being a loser.
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Wait, they even ripped off the time-limit mechanic from DE (one of the worst parts of that game)? Fucking why?
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>>734432375
There is election coming and you have to solve the plot before it happens
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>>734432083
>Suzerain
Called The Conformist, prequel set in the 1920s during the reign of Tarquin Soll. You’re a government propagandist who can choose to stay loyal to Soll or side with The Syndicate (Communists), Free Society (liberals), or Black Battalion (monarchists).
>Slay the Princess
They’ve said very little, just that it’s an isometric dark fantasy CRPG that’ll be tonally halfway between their previous games, more grounded than Slay the Princess but more surreal than Scarlet Hollow. Real work on it won’t begin until Scarlet Hollow is finished.
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>>734432582
Reply to >>734431956 because I’m dumb.
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>>734432375
because the devs are hacks
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>>734432582
Thanks, i knew about Conformist but i wasn't aware it will be Disco-Like
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>>734432252
anon are you just making up things to be angry about from one screenshot

the orc is a dick rogue (or something idk) side-character who doesn't matter at all and is completely ignorable
she's basically just standing there as a lore resource and one option to turn in an early quest

there's a kim character but it's a little goblin bro who is actually kinda cool, although he's not kim-level cool because you're not a complete fuckup amnesiac in this game and don't need a babysitter.
he's helpful as a party member though because the gameplay is actually like 70% dungeon diving and solving traps and shit, which he comes in useful for as a guide (and an extra pair of hands to press buttons and throw you ropes and shit, plus fighting shit)

that part of the gameplay is absolutely the best part of the game, and DE doesn't have that.

to be clear I think it's kinda mid overall and would only mildly recommend it to people who like D&D dungeoneering shit specifically. i'm down to shit on it but let's shit on the shit that actually deserves it.

>>734432375
because it uses D&D spell slot and long/short rest mechanics which would be pointless with infinite time.
but read the fucking thread, the time limit is like double what you need to casually beat the game anyway.
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>>734432869
It doesn't matter if the limit is long, the problem is the incentives it creates. A reading game should not punish you for reading. That's absolutely retarded.
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>>734419227
It’s called Discoslop
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>>734433079
what punishment?
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>>734433149
Making you lose time. It's like a platformer making you lose HP each time you jump. It doesn't matter if the limit is very high, it's still conceptually dumb.
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>>734419750
Jesus christ
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>>734433396
the number goes up though, not down. so you're gaining time and should be happy about it by your logic.
checkmate, homo.
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>>734424837
You stick out like a sore thumb
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>>734421284
But it IS a rip off
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I hate modern, pretty-fied orcs and goblins so much.
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>>734434694
Addendum: I remember when people used to say that D&D wouldn't stop until the different races (whatever they call them now) were just different coloured humans, and right now, with how goblins and orcs often look, I feel like we've pretty much gotten to that point.
And yes, I realise that OP's screenshot is making a point of her race, I'm just talking about their physical design.
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>>734434694
Me too
If they don't want savage monsters only capable of destruction they should not call them orcs or goblins
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>>734432582
WHY CAN'T I FUCK MY COUSIN. I NEED SWEATY COUSIN SEX!!!!!!!
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>>734419227
I think Disco Elysium is brilliant, but Esoteric Ebb is ESLslop. The writing is genuinely garbage and it seems no one has bothered to proofread it.
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>>734427548
I mean new shooters were called Doom clones back in the day, no? It takes a bit of time for them to coalesce into something with a generic enough name
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quests I have left before going into the pillar
>Lichhouse Blues
>Philogynistic agenda (already flirted with the angel tho)
>Esoteric Ebb
>Coinlord's meet
>Milkurious
>Golden Line
Should I postpone my descent into the pillar to day 5? any tips on how to complete these?
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Unironically more games need to be like PlanetScape Torment. You just hate it because it's Disco Elysium related, but that just shows that you're a retarded, tasteless newfag.
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>>734435049
Sex is fleeting. Cousin-bonding time is real.
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>>734434908
Aesthetics aside, I kinda liked what this game did with goblins. The versions you see are civilised, but it's eventually made clear that this is only because they were deemed completely incompatible with humans and were subject to a genocide campaign. Near the end of it a goblin leader even sat down with the demigod human-hitler and conceded that he did nothing wrong.
The demigod then takes a chance (which he frames as basically a coinflip) on the fact that now that goblins are basically fucking destroyed along with their whole society and culture, it would be possible to allow the remaining ones to live since they'll be forced to integrate and be not-really-goblins anymore and able to serve humanity, or at least act like people instead of fucking primitives.

This is something your gobbo buddy struggles with through the whole game since he knows he's not a "real" goblin. He really hates human-hitler but even when he gets to confront him, the guy points out that he didn't have a better option (and could have easily just fucking wiped them out completely, deal with it) and your buddy just has to accept it.
Surprisingly pro-genocide message for a game that random driveby anons are calling DEI slop.

(The game itself is still mediocre.)
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>>734435727
sex is a way of bonding too...
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>>734421312
Ok but what did you think about the game?
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>>734435274
>I think Disco Elysium is brilliant, but Esoteric Ebb is ESLslop
ESLs made Disco Elysium, anon.
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>>734435791
She’s an autistic femcel who hates you, being your cousin is actually pretty low on the list of reasons why you will never, ever fuck her.
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>>734436675
she sacrificed a number of her years for me. I can only repay her duly...
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>>734419227
Woke art style.
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If you're a chud, Ebb is a safer place than DE.
Every right wing character in DE is a fucking retard, while Ebb has Hitler Jesus as the good guy.
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>>734436005
Yeah, I’m well aware, but the writing is good in spite of that. EE just reeks of poor writing.
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>>734437790
>18 DEX
>20 WIS
The infamous Homosexual Cleric
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>>734419227
if you admit it's not videogames why are you intentionally posting it on the board meant for videogames
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>>734419750
I mean DE already takes place in quirk chungus france
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>>734437026
>Hitler appears to you as a kindly grandfather figure who passes his time in limbo repairing shoes as he watches over his people, refusing to move on to the afterlife for as long as he can still make life better for them by sending magic into the world.
I know what they meant by this and it's pretty based to be quite honest
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>>734421431
No, blabbers
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Is wisdom being communist supposed to be shitposting? Communism is the opposite of wise.
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>>734438290
commies call Marx "The Great Philosopher", they're just full of shit
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>>734438290
Its smarter than that. Communist is wisdom because its all about manipulating others to put yourself on top. So like the Wis stat in an rpg its about applying your intelligence in a way that benefits you the most.
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>>734438330
>>734438380
Shouldn't it be Int, then? AKA, pure intellectualizing without looking at the real world.
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>>734437642
I wouldn't call it poor. It's passable. There's no actual ESL shit at least.
Most things look shit compared to DE. Certainly this game doesn't have a trace of the smart dialectic/defamiliarisation tricks that game used in its writing, which makes the shit it lifts from DE (ie any of the political associative stuff) kind of clumsy in comparison, but not actually bad as far as shit writing in games go.
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>>734435348
I think contemporary neologisms like Soulslike hav more sticking power because they're integrated into search functionalities and tagging systems.

Even if people found a new chic term for the genre, publishers and devs wouldn't want to miss out on the discoverability afforded by calling their game soulslikes, and consumers would find it more convenient if there wasn't a change in tags so that they now have to search for relevant games both by "soulslike" and the new term, especially if they want to include old games with old, calcified tags in their search.

I feel like this change in infrastructure makes it less likely for genre names to change now once they're established.

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>>734423981
CHA for populism sounds like it would make more sense then.
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Fuck you
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>>734438473
Who gives a shit?
You could argue this for any of them.

Why not fascism for WIS? Personal autocracy for STR?
It doesn't matter, they just had to give each one a stat colour that would be fun to write for and obviously that means at least a few (actually all of them) overlap or feel a bit shoehorned.
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>>734438815
Skill issue
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>>734438074
this is the one
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>>734438569
I’ve only played the demo, so I can’t speak on the full game, but everything was coated in so many layers of irony as if the game was afraid to be sincere. Dialogue was also very stilted and nothing comes across as natural.
Honestly a shame because I’d love for more games like DE to come out.
Maybe the full game is better, but what I experienced was enough to turn me away from getting it.
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>>734423456
>It’s Communist because they’re the most idealistic party and it doesn’t care about anything but ideals.
Let's say I agree because there's some lefties who aren't evil. That's still not what wisdom is. Life experience and common sense are the things that make some teens grow out of being lefties
>>734423981
This actually makes sense
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>>734438852
It matters because communism is the most evil philosophy to ever exist. Associating it with wisdom is insulting.
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>>734439012
The first day is the most irony-poisoned
It gets quite sincere the more you advance in the story
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>>734423456
Wisdom is blind idealism? Actual opposite of wisdom in DnD.
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>>734439012
Yeah, I'd skip it then.
I pirated it and thought it was an alright distraction but I wouldn't really recommend it on the basis of being like DE. It's an alright little dungeon crawl though, that stuff was better than the dialogue stuff.
>Dialogue was also very stilted and nothing comes across as natural.
Yeah I think that kinda comes with the territory of ultra nerdy D&D shit. You have to be in the mood to be blasted with dweeby lore crap no normal person would ever care about for anything in that genre. Plus the game is trying to do a Discworld sort of hybrid modern/fantasy thing on top of that which is a matter of taste on its own.

>>734439128
If it makes you feel better, WIS is a faggot in this game. The other stats are alright but he's always saying gay shit out of nowhere like promoting hardcore feminism.
Maybe it's a D&D joke of some sort but I didn't get it.
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>>734439489
Every stat’s voice is that stat taken to an unhealthy extreme. Strength’s an asshole who believes might makes right, Dexterity is shallow and materialistic and wants to steal shit because it can, Constitution’s a hedonist who only cares about satisfying your physical needs, Intelligence is a sociopath that believes it always knows best, and Charisma’s an apathetic people-pleaser that wants to be liked by everybody and stand for nothing.

In D&D wisdom is all about intuition and common sense, knowing what you should do, so Esoteric Ebb’s wisdom takes knowing what you should do too far. The other stats have no morality, Wisdom has too much of one. It wants you to do what feels in your heart like the right thing to do no matter how bad an idea it is in practice.
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>>734441018
That still doesn't match communism.
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So visual novels are not video games, right?
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>>734441268
Nah it makes sense if we take communism at its most basic principles, i.e. everyone is equal and gets what they need
It doesn't really work out in real life, and lack of checks and balances plus state having to do everything makes it very susceptible to corruption, but there is a reason it caught on with good many people
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>>734439128
>It matters because communism is the most evil philosophy to ever exist
no, that's fascism
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>>734419227
Any Necromancy involved in this game?
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>>734419227
the artstyle tells all
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>>734441684
First person you will talk to is quite obsviously a necromancer and you can also talk to the dead
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>>734441684
As a player? A little
In the world? A lot, necromancers, liches and undead are all present
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>>734441618
Fascism is dead. Communism is alive and well. The latter is infinitely more harmful.
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>>734441268
>Nationalists: We should kick out all the non-humans.
>Freestriders: We should sell more stuff and make more money.
>Agrarians: We should farm. Also we can’t win.
>Magocrats: We should bring back the famously horrible dictatorship from centuries ago.
>Communists: We should help the poor.
The Communists have the most moral pitch. We should vote for them. Any other option would be unwise.
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>>734441618
It's all the same bigoted authoritarian nonsense that leftists have been inflicting on people for over a century. The problem is that there will always be stupid teenagers who hate that other people having things like private property and different beliefs.
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>>734441597
No, communism makes no sense even in theory. You can't judge what each person needs without a central authority to forcefully redistribute goods. It only takes a few seconds of thought to realize it doesn't work on a conceptual level. It's an idea so stupid only an intellectual can believe in it. That's why it being associated with wisdom is nonsensical.
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>>734419468
would have really benefited from being like scrolls and tomes and shit like a proper old RPG
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>>734442126
Maybe the Nationalists and the Communists should team up
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>>734442126
Every ideology can be framed as helping the poor. You could argue you're helping the poor by murdering them.
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>>734442376
As Urth intended
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>>734439128
Sorry Fidel took your slaves away.
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>MC is canonically some weird incel loser that lives with his feminist mom
>I somehow end the game with 2 dates lined up and a big cat that would've fucked me if she wasn't busy guarding a gate or whatever
Uh okay dude.
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>>734443636
Dying can do that to you
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>>734442376
wouldn't that lead to a National Socialism of sorts? hmm
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>>734419227
Retards will argue that you have adhd.
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>>734443636
well you did kill a legendary troll king and and meet god so, ya know, that's some street cred
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>>734445094
What the hell is that?
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>>734445094
This is why I cant sit through games like dead stranding, can play planescape torment and be entertained the entire way through but shit like this just makes me scream LET ME PLAY THE FUCKING GAME
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>>734443636
After you encounter lich, demilich, sphinx, dragon, angel, troll king, cosmic horror and a god you are a hero, so you deserve heroic changes in your life
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>>734437790
where do you get the other helmets?
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>>734445827
They are everywhere, irc this one drops in a crypt from a skeleton
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>>734442267
>No, communism makes no sense even in theory.
Reagan famously said that communism can only work in two places: Heaven, where they don't need it, and Hell, where they already have it.
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>Celestial language is Polish
What did Chris mean by this
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>>734445958
Reagan was a literal retard with dementia so it makes sense you look up to him.
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>>734445958
The creator of Star Trek famously adored communism later in life after his indoctrination. He wanted that science fiction series to have a communist Earth. This works because there was a machine that could turn dirt into hamburgers or gold or whatever else.
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>>734445827
talk to the duck in the church and get the key to the crypt below
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>>734419750
bro this fuckin documentary is full of kino lmao
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I just finished Ebb, I think I saw most of the content.
Only thing I strongly dislike about it is how the combat works. For combat the "even failing can be interesting" aspect is gone and it's just "pass the skill checks or game over" which is gay and also encourages save scumming. All the combat is also kind of uninteresting and plays out in a boring way too which doesn't help.
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>>734431551
why am i in tears
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>>734431929
It’s Swedish.
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>>734420314
You mean fagslop?
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>>734419227
can you fuck her/him/them?
>>734445216
I tried to play HSR and they have a tutorial for a new mode, and literally it's 20 min long of the game telling you what to do and think, unreal, I cant finish.
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>>734446434
I never died, you just have to be smart and have grease memorized
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my problem isn't with long/lengthy dialogue, its when its just Dialogue for the sake of Dialogue.

of I talk to a random unimportant NPC which has no connection to anything, he shouldn't give me walls of text explaining his whole lifes story and the entire life story of the town around him unprompted.

and likewise, if I talk to an NPC that is important for a quest/main story/whatever, they shouldn't shovel entire conversations of random side shit on me.

long dialogue can be good, but modern """writers""" and even many, MANY gamers have the opinion of 'more=better' when it comes to what makes good dialogue
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>>734422798
>dump wisdom
>as a cleric
lmao
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>>734447723
Other classes are equivalent to Disco Elysium’s copotypes. Say you’re one of them enough and you’ll become one.
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>>734446434
>it's just "pass the skill checks or game over"
You can cast your spells on your turn, it's not just the text combat options. Heal yourself, heal your party, cast barkskin, whatever, and you won't die. Cast crusader's mantle if you suck at rolling dice. Cast grease and they'll fuck themselves up tripping over to the point that you'll probably have a negative DC to kick them in the ribs by the last turn.
I one-shot a lot of early fights with Inflict Wounds too which was a pretty cool power jump from the very early ones where you suck ass.
All this shit is basically free if you get the Druidcraft cantrip for virtually unlimited incense too.

I really liked the combat, it was pretty novel to have those kinds of options on top of the "curated encounter" type regular battle actions (including going for situational weaknesses or strategising with the party).
I just wish there was more of it. This game would actually kinda rule if they ditched all the Disco Elysium lite faggotry and just leaned into being a gamebook-style dungeon adventure.
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>>734419227
Does this game even have any actually good looking female characters (especially ones you can romance?)
All I have seen are tumblerina stronk wahmen designs and nothing else.
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should I do the final quest alone or with my companions? pls gib advice I don't know if I'll get a reward or not
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>>734419227
Do you interact with it?
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>>734420208
Even if he was racist he didn't seem malicious or unfriendly.
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>>734448120
no but there's an inscrutable joan d'arc battle angel with eyes orbiting her head who i went with because (a) flat chest and (b) her pussy is probably noneuclidean and biblically accurate, with all that entails
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>>734420314
>Disco-likes i.e. games that imitate Disco Elysium
Which itself was imitating Planescape: Torment, a game from 19 fucking 99.
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>>734448098
>I really liked the combat, it was pretty novel to have those kinds of options on top of the "curated encounter" type regular battle actions (including going for situational weaknesses or strategising with the party).
>I just wish there was more of it. This game would actually kinda rule if they ditched all the Disco Elysium lite faggotry and just leaned into being a gamebook-style dungeon adventure.
I did like the DE-like part, but yeah i would love to get a game about dungeoneering with the same system more fleshed out
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>>734448364
This game is riffing on DE pretty directly so it's very accurate in this case.

>>734448202
Basically no difference since you arrive alone, but definitely bring em for important extra dialogue before you return home.
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>>734448202
You're missing out some pretty cool Sneed dialog if he doesn't join you in it
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>>734419227
the endless waves of media that do (this) are ultimately all reflective of the fact that swarthic people view whites as a "higher status" that is something to be attained. "didnt think I was a (white) did you?" "Well, why CANT I be a (white)?" Americans made the mistake of making nationality a matter of 'status' rather than that of 'blood' or 'loyalty', which naturally bled out into the "western world", which consists of european countries and those they were involved with (and asians, a different problem). Ultimately, the swarth simultaneously believes themselves different and superior to the white, whilst simultaneously seeking out the status of "being white", of course only by means available to their ~intellectual capabilities~, not through the development of their own nation.
Magic dirt.
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Who is to blame for the basedification of orcs in modern western fantasy?
What is the motive behind it?
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>>734419227
No I'm wondering why you aren't green with big tits and a bulge you dumb bitch
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>>734448680
She's not really representative of her race
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I tried these two but I didn't like them. Like Noid says in the game with the pigs and their dead mother, you just can tell they're not "it", they didn't have that "energy" in them at all. Lasted 15 minutes with both.
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>>734445216
Why can you play planescape but not death stranding? Not insulting or anything, just actually curious.
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how is the game, though? Not asking the brownoids who have not played it.
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>>734449823
Game?
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Who did YOU vote for, anons?
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>>734448680
leftists that swear they're not racist think the hulking violent ugly discolored brutes are black people and are gentrifying them out of white guilt
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THANK YOU FATHER
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>>734450091
Nationalists, we gotta save this doggone city
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>capitalism and democracy is only bad because of the super j-angels controlling everything in the shadows
Interesting commentary.
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>>734448680
Without actually reading Lord of the Rings or anything else they're complaining about, people assumed orcs were black. This was so prevalent that orcs are now drawn as black people.
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>>734450091
The Nationalists. We have to revive the dream from within
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>>734419227
i just cant take a game ripping off DE seriously
just seems gross
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>>734419227
Just like DE was made by commie, this feels like it was made by nationalist. Writting really confirms it near the end
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>>734451447
>>734451569
>>734451640
>>734451713
For a DE-like this game was surprisingly tolerant of chud takes all throughout.
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>>734432375
How many days do you even get? I wouldn't know off the top of my head because I'm not retarded and know how videogames work and I always beat the game far before whatever time limit.
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>>734448120
The sphinx
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>>734432582
And also, cultist Sim Devs working on a crpg
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>>734452721
It looks like shit tho
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>>734452140
5, but you only need like 3.
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>>734450091
The Cleric.
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>>734419227
>Dialogue is not gameplay. Dialoguevanias aren't games.
I agree
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>>734452974
just like you, yet some ppl love you lol, lmao!
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>>734419227
For a sec the thumbnail made it look like she had her tit out
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this game had a beautiful ending
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>>734442267
Yes, but look at your own comment.
>It only takes a few seconds of thought to realize it doesn't work on a conceptual level.
>Thought
>Conceptual
Wisdom is a entity ruled by emotion and sentiment.
Wisdom does not interrogate its own reasoning, it latches onto whatever it *FEELS* would do the greatest good without paying any consideration to how that would work in practice or how to achieve it.
It champions ideals like "Everyone should be perfectly equal, because that is fair." because the statement sounds virtuous on its face.
In short, WIS falls into the archetype of the useful idiot.
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>wanting citizenship given only to people who have culturally integrate themselves with the locals is authoritarianism
Wat?
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>>734450091
The only true force of good in the city. THE CLERIC.
>>734453024
BROTHER!
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>>734439012
>but everything was coated in so many layers of irony as if the game was afraid to be sincere. Dialogue was also very stilted and nothing comes across as natural.
You literally just described DE
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>>734454508
the dialogue looks LLM generated
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>>734454345
But that's not the logical conclusion of what Wisdom IS
Not as a concept in English and not as a stat in DnD
Wisdom is the accrued knowledge someone gathers over their lifetime, that knowledge is what beats down idealistic "muh feels" attitudes. It does not make sense that WIS is the idealist rep stat
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>>734455370
>But that's not the logical conclusion of what Wisdom IS
What Wisdom means elsewhere is irrelevant.
What WIS is in this game is (>>734454345).
You don't need to like it, but it is what it is.
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Which feat should I pick?
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>>734454345
That sounds closer to Elder Scrolls' willpower. That has nothing to do with wisdom under any interpretation I've seen in my life.
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>>734456013
the first three tie at +0.5 gain on the average roll, the last one is for retards. the first one costs HP so pick 2 or 3
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>>734456013
Dungeoneering if your Proficiency score is above a 4.
Professional Cleric if you have means of boosting above 10 from a natural 1.
Luck of the Fool if you just want to be a suicidal gambler
Do not take Balanced, it's gobshite even if it's mechanically probably the best if you have good bonuses.
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>complains the game is lifted from DE and D&D
>complains when the game bothers to actually change something
Can't please anyone it seems.



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