When the DLC comes out will you actually try to find the new content on your own or will you look it up online?
i'm not even going play the game thanx to the time trial delivery mission. silksong can kiss my ass
>>734978338Just get the zoomzoom running charm and its ez, i fucked up plenty of the winning run like a retard and still won
Why it's not like the grimm troupe was super hard to find in HK. Since it's sea themed I assume it's either left to the coral tower or right to bilewater. >>734978338you don't need the needle upgrade to beat the game
Yes I'm going to try it on my own. What kind of performative faggot do you take me for?
They'll massively delay it, turn it into it's own sequel, and then massively delay it some more.
>>734979430>b*lewaterDont fucking say that word
>>734977581Game sucked and I didn't even bother to unlock Act 3. Why would I go back for more shit content. The fact that they announced it so quickly means they knew the reception wasn't great.
>>734981523>The fact that they announced it so quickly means they knew the reception wasn't great.What
>>734981523Yeah plenty of loretube HK tourists got filtered by the harder gameplay. Never seen so many normalfags cry about difficulty, not even when Elden Ring launched. It was great.
>>734981729>Plenty of people got filtered by the game they beat and said was boring and sucked dickDickriders cope the hardest. The game was just shit.
>>734981849
>>734977581I've already played enough of silksong and hollowknight to play whatever they do next
Took me like 10 tries but I finally got it.
>>734978338>to the time trial delivery missionyou can kill the enemies and not step on the bench so your path is mostly cleared
>>734977581I would but the new areas will probably be right where they are now in the form of cut contentso there's no need
>>734983545theres no such water themed place in the game, doesnt seem like it
>>734979629beat me to it
>>734977581I never even finished this game, act 3 was fucking ass. They are making dlc for this garbage?
>>734977581I found Godhome on my own, but that's because I was still exploring HK and hadn't 100% it yet. I 100% this game, so I'll just look it up. In a best case scenario, it's like Grimm Troupe though and the quest starts in town.
>>734981729For me it wasn’t even the difficulty, it was the fact like 60% of optional paths/secret rooms were dead ends with sometimes not even Rosaries/Shards to pick up.As soon as I beat Last Judge/Phantom and realized this was going to keep happening for entire game, my interest dropped like a stone and I haven’t touched it since.
>>734986013*for the entire
>>734978338It's easy as fuck, dude. Just plan out your route and clear out the enemies before taking the quest. And don't sit on a bench.
>>734977581my brain works so i don't need to look things up
>>734977581I'll try to find it. I already know it should roughly be east of bilewater and they might add something to one of the towns signposting that. Maybe something with Zylotol as well>>734984696It already has a datamined location
>>734986013>60% of optional paths/secret rooms were dead ends with sometimes not even Rosaries/Shards to pick upIt's hard to take criticisms of this game seriously when they're flagrant bullshit. The map is literally full of shit to collect.>https://mapgenie.io/hollow-knight-silksong/maps/pharloom
>>734978338>the time trial delivery missionABSOLUTELY FILTEREDLmao, do what I did and listen to this while doing the missionhttps://youtu.be/ZnZqB5Z75zI
>>734981849Silksong is an objectively massive improvement over the original game. The combat is night and day. Silksong is an actually fun game to play. HK in comparison was a theme park ride.
>>734977581I'll give it a shot but if I spend more than twenty minutes wandering aimlessly after checking the hubs I'm looking it up
>>734984696bilewarter nigger nuts. they'll just throw it near bilewater.
>>734977581Eh I managed to get to get the good ending without guides, I should be able to catch anything new in a second play through
>>734977581I only used a guide to go back and get the 100% collection shit AFTER I beat the end boss. This game is quite playable without it.
>>734986724I may have embellished on the amount of dead ends, but they’re still enough of a problem that they made me stop bothering to explore and ultimately drop the game.
>>734988229(cont’d)Also, finding a bunch of useless charms and shit isn’t exactly fun either.
>>734986013Those dead ends probably had hidden walls you failed to catch. Whenever I hit dead ends which felt off considering the work it took to get there, it usually gave me the sense that there had to be something else hidden there and pretty much every time I got that sense I was right.There's entire bosses and areas behind such supposed dead ends
>>734977581no as Silksong was obnoxious and the DLC will probably ramp it up even further. only way i'd consider it is if they went back and fixed the base game (remove shards, dump Crests and bring Notches back, fix nail upgrade progression, no fetch quests, fewer flying enemies, etc.) I'd consider it
>>734988380That’s actually the worst part, I DID find those hidden walls on where I thought were dead ends, and the only one I can remember was worthwhile was the hidden Skarr merchant who sold the boomerang and the skull armour charm.
>>734988735Speaking of Hunter's March, it was only on my second playthrough that I discovered you could deactivate the bench trap
>>734988028>Their shells are ours. Their souls are ours.>Our hate is forever.
How do we feel about Silksong sweeping The Vidya Gaem Awards
>>734988815I unfortunately got spoiled on that. What did surprise me was the hidden bench in Bilewater.Also was it just me, or was Phantom a complete pushover? Which I guess makes sense considering her lore.
>>734989286I enjoyed it>>734989359I'm happy for it. That route made Steel Soul possible for me
>>734989359Yeah I found getting to act 2 through Phantom quicker and safer while going for steel soul. Depending on RNG the mist is the most dangerous part.
>>734989560>cont'dAlso she gives you my favorite skill.
>>734981729>>734981849>>734982080>>734986013threadly reminder that /v/ sucks so much at vidya that it collectively got stuck on fourth chorus
>>734986327huh, hoping it'd be a little bigger
>>734989910Presumably the bay leads to the sea (of sorrow)
>>734977581Will do what I did for the games launch, play it all on my own and check in on the threads and post my progress / parts I thought were brutal. I was one of the first to discover the 2 hit hp system they had at launch would filter billions. Was amusing seeing the normie hordes get stumped on Act 1 while I was getting cozy in the midst of Act 2
>>734977581Its gonna ba an actual expansion this time
>>734989868I said I got about halfway through Act 2 before I quit, you shit-stirring turdburgular.
>>734992287*reached Act 2.
I've been wanting to replay, but I am wondering if the DLC will be harder in Act 3 or if they'll make it accessible far sooner.
>>734992452Might be act 3 only. The rest of the game is already pretty packed and I feel like having to make the dlc account for both pre and post act 3 is more work
>>734977581i mean it will get me to continue playing thru act 3, the last boss i fought was picrel and i just didnt care anymore after, the combat just heavily stagnated for me, lets see when the dlc finally releases if it improved enough to warrant completion
>>734977581If it's not obvious I'll look it up. I already scoured the whole map multiple times for when I needed to find the one hidden path or whatever to progress. It wasn't fun. My gameplay experience was not enriched by doing it blind. Give me actual hints or I'm not doing with this secret bullshit anymore.
>>734992540>quitting at 99% completionKarmelita makes it worth it anon
>>734992540What a shitty runback, gauntlets and gauntlets of enemies at the very least the boss itself was easy, IMO worse than bilewater god this game was so ass they thought frustrating = difficulty, shit game design
CORAL AREA BROS....WHY DID THEY DO IT?
>>734977581>silksong DLCso a new game in 5 years?
>>734992752nah i heavily doubt that>>734992758bilewater was still worse for me but yeah silksong is basically "gauntlet of enemies: the game" like holy shit let me 1v1 team cherry for fucks sake
>>734992758Someone summarized very accurately in an ancient thread all the way back at launch that a big problem with Silksong’s difficulty is that it’s designed around people already familiar with Hollow Knight, so naturally people either completely new to the series using Silksong as a starting point or only played Hollow Knight casually are left in the dust.
>>734977581I 100% the base game blind, I don't see why the DLC would be any different. They might make some esoteric hard to access content this time, but that hasn't been their MO for the first 2 data points.
>>734992758>>734993134its streamer reaction bait like the that trapped bench in the ant section whatever its called idc anymore or the falling bench in bilewater
>>734992758>runbackWhat runback? Don't tell me you died to Khann. Also gauntlets aren't that hard, you just need to bring the right tools/crest.
>>734977581I made sure to avoid all the trailers just so I'd be going in blind. Will be doing the same for the DLC.
>>734977581I'm not sure if I want to restart when it releases or just load up my 100% save. If the dlc content is on act 3 steroids I'm gonna be pissed
buncha babies lol
>>734993704what do u want from dlc if not act 3 on steroids?
>>734993586>certain parts of game are nearly impossible/completely unfun without a certain loadoutNTA, but isn’t the whole point of these games that you can use almost any loadout at any point, yet you can still come out on top if you have a good grasp of the gameplay loop?
>>734992540He was the worst part of act 3 for me. Shitty pushover boss after a gauntlet that overstayed its welcome. The other three heart bosses were much better but act 3 in general kind of sucked
>>734993812By "the right tool" I mean the one that works for you. For me, that meant using witch crest + claw mirrors to nuke my way through the Coral Tower gauntlet waves. Someone else might prefer the architect to tool spam, or beast to face tank.
>>734993773Sorry, what I was referencing was how act 3 will literally power up enemies you were meant to take out in act 2. I don't want that to happen with the DLC, if it is accessible in act 2. Hopefully it's in a memory or outside of pharloom entirely. I'm totally happy for the dlc to be difficult as fuck otherwise
>>734993812Most of my combat was just hitting the enemy enough time to use Silk Spear, and then using Silk Spear. And that was with Hunter crest.
>>734981729I simply got bored because the game was too big.Just like with ER.
>>734993907ah I seeI am hoping for memories myself
Any tips for steel soul? I am going to start my run tomorrow
>>734994162The biggest piece of advice I can give you is: Don't. At least not yet. Do a regular run first, either to GMS or to LL in preparation for Steel Soul. Get familiar with enemies and bosses, and what crest you want to use. THEN do Steel Soul.Once you're in Steel Soul, Hunter's March will be your biggest threat. The gauntlet at the end where Shakra joins in can end your run. You will have lenience after when you purchase the Fractured Mask. Then you're pretty much safe until Act 3.In Act 3 the most dangerous part is the very beginning, when you have no tools equipped at all and you have to fight a gauntlet of voided Underworks enemies, the hardest faction. Save and quit before this to get back to full health, and be careful during this fight, you will likely need to know patterns beforehand instead of bruteforcing it.
>>734994162pause and quit if 2 health or lower, there you did it
>>734992540>the combat just heavily stagnated for me,This 1000% the combat just got so boring and this game is like 60hrs minimum
>>734977581Yeah I'll just replay it and get this one last achievement while I'm at it
>>734978338I'm a 40yo retard and I play nothing but puzzle games and even I got it within three tries. Keep trying, anon. You can do it!
>>734977581Personally, I can’t wait for possible new journal entries that will buckbreak viggers like the one about her various mates.
>>734994785>>734992540why dont you guys try a different buildlike for example in your picture, if youre using reaper for so long then no shit its going to stagnatebut you could do something like a Witch build, or a lifeblood overdose Beast which is super busted>>734993374>ant section trapThat one was fucking based. Im not a reaction-let so i managed to dodge it in timeYou fucking faggots will whine about games being "casual and trivial and dumbed down", but then a game actually arrives willing to kick your shit in if you dont play smart and fight power with power and its just endless moaningI agree the coral guy is boring as hell though. I didnt die to the runback but it must be frustrating to die there and not have noticed the shortcut. If you got mad at bilewater and continued to bang your head against it thats on you, if you cant do it you can come back for better gear later
>>734995129You're that guy that posted that one entry in every single silksong thread, aren't you?
>>734994162There are a handful of attacks (which do multiple damage instances) the Fractured Mask won't save you from, including attacks which knock you into hazards. Start by rushing all the movement upgrades (if you die to Widow 30 minutes in, it's not a big deal). Then you can slow down and 100% each area to get as strong as you can before dangerous fights. Obviously, complete everything you can in Act 2. Get Shakra to help with the high halls gauntlet. Anywhere there's fire or lava, equip the Magma Bell. Remember that you cannot die in dreams so you don't have to worry about Karmelita etc. At the very start of Act 3, you can quit and reload to get your masks back before the mini gauntlet that introduces voided enemies. Also the witch crest quest is also very scary, take it carefully.
>>734994872At least they're pretty generous with the speedrun achievements. I did the 5 hour one in 3 and 30 hour one in 20.
chudsong fucking ruined this series for me fuck this developers
>thu-thump>HYEEUURRR *woosh woosh*>thu-thump>RRAAARGH *shi-shi-shi-shi-shiiik*>thu-thump
Buff the Rosary Cannon, please.
>>734989225Imagine how kino will be "ascended" Groal fight when they release the "Godhome" DLC
>>734997980>same arena but when he dives into the water he breaks the platforms
>>734998107better yet: no platforms only jeetwater and the floating bomb mosquitos that respawn when killed + the Half life 2 barnacles at the top of the arena
I'm a wait chad. I'll wait until all the DLC comes out and is bundled together in a new edition. I'll still throw my vote behind /ourgirl/ when queen of /v/ rolls around again this year.
I want to cum on Hornet's slender legs
>>734998620>I'll wait until all the DLC comes out and is bundled together in a new editionhow long? 2 - 3 years?
>>734998774
>>734988229>may have embellished on the amount of dead ends, You pulled a random number out of your ass and got caught lying>but they’re still enough of a problemMap's right there >>734986724Point to 3
>>734977581No. I'm not going to play it and I'm not even going to watch it. I'm going to piece it together from these threads and shitpost about it.
>>734977581>try to find the new contentIt's new location. You travel to it on a boat. It's like Verdania
>>734977581Do people think it won't just be on the quest board for some reason?
>>734999545You still gotta find the boat though. Pretty much everyone assumes it's going to be somewhere on the right side of the map but who knows. If we don't have it leaked by the time the DLC comes out I'll probably start checking in the quest boards in Bellhome and Songclave, then probably work my way up from Far Fields to Fleatopia (particularly the weavenest in Far Fields that show paths out of Pharloom)
>>734999795>You still gotta find the boat though.You already know where the boat will be.
I'm gonna play it, have an ok time, then post on /v/ about how the game is still only pretty good
>>734989868I missed all the Silksong discovery threads because I left /v/ and only came back once I finished Act 3 like one week after launch, that's a shame
I dropped the game in act 3Gauntlets before bosses suckThe tools/rosaries/shards economy just sucksLocked crest behind act 3 sucks Exploration isn't rewarding.The map is worse than HK, has tons of dead ends and meaningless endgame shortcuts that lead to low level areas when (Sands of Karak for example) because some parts of map were redesigned and entire areas were cut.And you fight main boss 3 times.Some parts of Silksong were kino but HK solos.All facts.
>>735000282Shards are good because they uh.. they... didn't affect me personally!
>>735000282>because some parts of map were redesigned and entire areas were cut.Everyone game does this btwAlso>Complaining about shortcutsReally grasping at straws now I guess
>>734998197>>734998107lava instead of maggot water and there's a constant waterfall of maggots so you can never heal
>>735000474>Complaining about shortcutsYes it is a problem. Imagine picrelated. All those rooms are low lvl areas blocked by different red doors To unlock red doors you need to beat all those low lvl areas and reach endgame. After beating all those areas you have no reason to re-vesit them at all. You don't even need shortcuts because of teleports.Instead of letting player to explore alternative paths, the game locks you to linear route. And this is metroidvania. Coral tower was cut. All coral tower routes were cut. You can see it on 2018 map.
>>735000282Shards are good because players who achieve a good balance of using and spending them have a good time.The raw mechanics being so much better more than makes up for a few slightly worse map design tidbits.
>>735001659The amount of people I've seen who rely on Tacks/Cogflies to win battles for them is truly astounding. Take some time, study the blade. Learn your crest's strengths and weaknesses. Don't abandon your silk skills. Figure out when the right time to attack is, and when the right time to back off is. You'll rely less on "win it for me" tactics and instead start winning battles more. And you'll save on shards.
>>734978338Unironically filtered just like redditors
>>735000949>Imagine picrelatedThank you for the doodle but I know what a shortcut is>After beating all those areas you have no reason to re-vesit them at allSo why are you mad at the shortcuts?>You don't even need shortcuts because of teleports.So why are you mad at the shortcuts?>Instead of letting player to explore alternative paths,You can still do that>the game locks you to linear route.No it doesn't>Coral tower was cut. All coral tower routes were cut. You can see it on 2018 map.Yes thank you I also know how game development works, but I can see by your stellar analysis that these are kind of big milestones for your understanding.
>>735002667The people who complains about shards are the ones who dump all their tools on their first few attempts at the boss, skip phase 1 entirely, and then wonder why they're getting stalled at phase 2 with a rapidly-dwindling resource.
>>735003072Are you a bot?
>>734977581Is there even a slight, tiny, minuscule hope of Hornet x Lace being at least insinuated as canon?
>>735003112I complain about shards because they disincentivize using tools at all. You're completely discouraged from using tools at all while you learn a fight otherwise you will need to go and grind for shards in between attempts, and by the time you learn the fight your strategy will not include tools at all because you haven't been allowed to use them.It's a dogshit system, and I challenge you to actually defend it without deflecting onto calling me or anyone else shit at the game
>>734977581>will you look it up onlineunthinkable, inhumane
>>735003257>Don't understand a very simple system>Play like shit>Y-you're not allowed to say I play like shit!Lol ok. Sorry you spent your playtime apparently paralyzed by the fact that you might use an infinitely renewable resource that you get from every single enemy in the game non-optimally.
>>735003112>The people who complains about shards are the ones who dump all their toolsNo. Shard system is just a garbage and prevents you from experimentation.When I fight hard boss I'm looking for openings with my Silk Skills. In this process I will die over and over again but I don't care. Silk Skills are free. They're unlimited. I have fun.But you can't do the same with shards. Yeah this "dump all their tools" fallacy is common defense from shard apologists but what if I don't dump them all? If I try to use my tool while learning the boss like how I do with Silk Skills I will eventually run out of shards. I can't even experiment with some tools because of insane shard consumption. It's just garbage. I ended up not using tools at all. All tools were useless for me.
>>735003353See, you're unable to defend it on its own merits. You like it because it makes you feel like an epic gamer. I never actually ran out of shards because I didn't really use tools until I got to act 3, and by that point I had so many of the damn things I was in no risk of running out. But unlike you, I'm not retarded, so I can acknowledge when a system is bad even when it doesn't personally impact my game.Now until you can think of a good thing about the system sit in the retard corner and think about your life
>>735003443>I never actually ran out of shards because I didn't really use tools until I got to act 3Well yeah, I got that from your post where you whine about being "discouraged" from using tools because you might have to grind. Maybe if you want to not look like a little bitch don't start your argument with "btw you're not allowed to call me bad at the game".
>>734977581I will not buy anything that latches itself onto something goodEspecially not Alice in Chain
>>734989868>/v/ sucks so much at vidya that it collectively got stuck on fourth chorusNot met. Millennial GOD GAMER
>march 2026>Shitters still trying to say shards are a shit system because they spent their whole playthrough scared of running out
>>735000778Calm down Satan
>>734977581I didn't even finish the game because the devs hate the playerbase so i surely won't play the dlc. The devs can get fucked for all i care.
>>734997980No maggot water at all, you just die if you fall off.The trve Markoth successor.
>>734977581The DLC will never come out, bro.
>>735003505Don't post while you're in the retard corner
I'll try to do it blind but then be too slow and get spoiled when I check /v/ at work
>>735003632>still trying to play this cardIf you're so good at video game you would never use tools because it is DPS loss in 99% scenarios or just a crutch for bad players to kill a boss.So tools are totally worthless for someone who clears game EZ blind steel soul first playthrough no save exit.
>>734989868No it didn't you shitstirring cockgoblin. We were collectively retarded and didn't know we could interact with the environment to throw shit on him so the fight took forever but nobody got stuck on him.
>>734977581don't care I beat this garbage and wont play any more.terrible game. contact damage, cheap enemies that walk or teleport into you. input reading flying enemies that hover just out of range.terrible art. some of the worst jank animation I've ever seen in an action game.lazy as fuck, shit-ass 2 frame animations with no windup.
>defending something shit because it lets you lord gamer cred over people that don't like itEvery thread on /v/ is the same
>>734981523LLM post
>>735003706
>>735003779And yet, the fact remains that people who cry about shards are shitters constantly worried about running out, and who think running out of shards must mean putting whatever they're doing on hold for twenty minutes to go farm shards back up.You will notice that both those issues are purely mental and completely self-inflicted. You could be worried about running out of shards. You should be worried about running out of shards. Running out of shards should be somewhere on your mind most of the time while playing Silksong (except when you're fighting a dream boss, and even then, you're worried about using your tools too early). It should influence what decision you make every moment, the most common of which being "do I kill this mob or do I just pass it by". But even if you run out, who cares? It'll build yourself back up. The game falls over itself to give you shard bundle. The only argument antishardfags have is that it's boring to grind shards back up so they never use them. So there's two situations>1. You're a shitter who over-relies on tools and you should learn to use your needles and silk skills more>2. You don't need tools to win fights and if you run out at some point you have the necessary skills to keep playing anywayIn both case the shard system works completely as intended and everyone complaining about it is probably in column 1 because why would you whine about a system that you don't need to win.The only change I would make to it is give us some kind of free auto-fill right before the Lost Lace fight, since it's literally the last fight in the game and it's a good long fight suited for experimenting. I'd buff her health a bit to balance it tho.
>>735003257>and I challenge you to actually defend it without deflecting onto calling me or anyone else shit at the gameThe two tools I used most often are Pimpillo and Silkshot. The former bounces around and is great for hitting annoying as fuck enemies I don't want to go near, or elusive enemies. One throw of these bad boys kills Stilkin.Silkshot pierces and deals lots of damage. Fantastic for use against flying enemies that like to play keep-away, like Driznits and Spit Squits.You can also feed Pimpillos to Groal. It factors into my strategy. I don't use it as a substitute for the Needle, but a supplement. That's how tools are meant to be used, AS A SUPPLEMENT. Use them that way and you'll have plenty of shards remaining.
Where is sea of sorrow.......
When will this fucking DLC come out so that I can start playing the base game? I'm waiting for the whole experience.
>>735003978
>>734992960He's right, Karmelita is the best boss in the series so far
>>735004138You just talked about tools and your strategy for using them. At no point did you give a reason why the shard system as it currently stands is good. You can adapt to deal with any shitty system, that doesn't make it good.You could continue to play exactly the same way you do now if they kept the per-life restrictions but dropped the overall shard system entirely
>is better than every boss in your series>boss theme is also better than any track in your series
>>735004136>1. You're a shitter who over-relies on tools and you should learn to use your needles and silk skills moreSee >>735003423Shard system is total trash and shard apologists are sucking cocks.And even in this case>it's okay to rely on silk skills but not okay to rely on tools
>>735004592Because it discourages spamming, and encourages you to not avoid enemies along the way, but to kill them for their resources. Formerly sentient husks carry cash. Beasts carry shards. You can buy shard bundles with cash. And if you get stuck on something and drain all your shards and need to fuck off, that's by design too. Silksong was specifically designed so that if you get stuck somewhere you can go somewhere else and do something else and come back later. If you run out of shards, go work on the Hunter's Journal for a while. Explore the Citadel, look for upgrades. Kill things that cross your path. And work on other combat options cause it's clear your toolspam isn't working.
How the fuck are you people running out of shards? Sometimes I had to farm rosaries but never shards.
>>735004931Mindlessly failing a boss and trying to bruteforce it with spamming all tools every time.Also known as, being a braindead lowskill.
>>735004931>Sometimes I had to farm rosariesDude we're talking about rosaries. No one farm shards. You farm rosaries to buy shards. This is how bad the system is.
>>735005095Farming rosaries for shards is farming shards. I never purchased a single shard bundle, btw. The game showers you with them.
>>735004451I think I'm not autistic enough to understand this mentality
>>735004864Having a hard cap per attempt discourages spamming. Adding an extra cap over the top of that existing limitation is meaningless. It discourages experimentation and adds literally nothing to the game.If the game needs to shoehorn in currency systems to make me engage with its enemies, then they have done something wrong. It's made even worse with enemies in gauntlets not dropping anything at all, and the game throws so many gauntlets at you that it becomes very noticeable. >if you get stuck on something and drain all your shards and need to fuck off, that's by design tooIt's not good design. Being told to fuck off and grind for shards isn't fun, and there's fuck all meaningful upgrades to be found for leaving a boss fight after X number of attempts to be worthwhile.
>>735004931If you never run out of them, why have the cap at all?
>>735005176Sorry I can't relate to your high skill. I played blind on release. Died a lot to the bosses and mobs. Used tools here and there. Tried to use tools strategical against bosses > run out of them after deaths.
>>735005260I didn't spam tools to clear every single room because I knew I'd run out. That's the whole point of a having a currency.
>using (spamming) silk skills (infinite) :D >using tools (spamming) (finite)D:
>>735004451If it's like the first HK there's probably going to be a few DLCs so you'll be waiting a while.
>>735004931I made a bad habit of practicing bosses in Architect. You should learn the boss in another build and then when you're confident, finish them in Architect. In Act 2 it was fine, most shit died to tool spam, in Act 3 you actually had to know when to dodge and shit.
>bro you're spamming tools>use tool once >-5 shards>zero damageThere is already limit for tool usage per bench. Shard system is dogshit.
>>735005218>and there's fuck all meaningful upgrades to be found for leaving a boss fight after X number of attempts to be worthwhile.Absolute fucking horseshit. Let's assume you get stuck on The Forum, bane of many players, Here's things you can do:>Get the Faydown Cloak from Mt. Fay>Get the two Pale Oils from the Citadel, netting you the Hivesteel Needle>Get the Witch, Architect, Beast, Wanderer, and Reaper crests>Get the Volt Filament from Voltnest, which powers up Silk Skills>Get the Silk Heart from The Unraveled>Complete Shakra's questline and ask her for help with The Forum>Defeat Garmond above the Whispering Vaults and ask for his help with The Forum>Obtain the Voltvessels from the Memorium>Obtain the Silkshot from any of the three sources>Get numerous other upgrades and toolsThen come back and eat everything The Forum has to offer.
>>735005373Silk is an infinitely more valuable resource than shards. Spending it on skills means you aren't spending it on binds.
>>735005464>enemy gauntlet where enemies arbitrarily don't drop shards or rosariesThere's your problem. Just don't do retarded shit like that
>>735005557Siklsong would be better if all tools were replaced with new silk skills.
>>735005645Completing The Forum is required to beat the game with any ending.
>>735005669No as in, don't design such shitty gauntlets. There's no reason to not have gauntlet enemies drop resources outside of the desire to waste the player's time
>devs nerfed silk skills and useless charm in attempt to force players to use toolshitTotal failure of game mechanic.
I can't fucking believe people biched at this game.It's kino.
>>735005645All the gauntlets drop no rosaries or shards from the mobs
>>735005720Gauntlets are a challenge. Why should you be rewarded for failing them?
>>735005926>38 hrsBs
>>735006014I killed an enemy, why should I not get the drops I am owed? Fundamentally, what is different from me farming enemies in a gauntlet room vs farming the same enemies two rooms over? Why do some drop items, and others do not?
>>735005926It was hyped up enough for people that were new to HK, and maybe challenging metroidvanias/platformers as a whole, to jump on board. There was bound to be a bunch of people who felt "cheated" out of what they were told was going to be a good game, despite it being obvious they weren't actually interested in this kind of game.It's still silly, but I get why it happened.
>>735006087Because gauntlets aren't intended to be high density farming areas. They're supposed to be something you complete if you have the requisite skill and strategy and perseverance and tools/upgrades earned from exploration. Bosses don't refund the resources spent in failed attempts either.
>>735004661While correct, I'm not sure why you thought it was relevant here
>>735006087>Why do some drop items, and others do not?This. It is retarded design but anons will defend it.
>>735005926Now do Steel Soul
FUCK TOOLSNot because of shards or anything like thatbut because I want to fight the fucking boss.The only tools I use are ones the boss is using to have the sick mimic battle.
Flea Bounce > Flea Juggle >>>>> dog shit >>> Flea Dodge
>>735006168But I'm killing enemies. Why do the same enemies I've fought elsewhere suddenly stop dropping things? They're already being lazy by just throwing waves of enemies I've already fought at me instead of designing a new fight, the least they could do is make them consistent with those same enemies I have already fought
Post underrated toolfusYou get this stuff pretty early on and it's so good at what it does, and basically only get reduced value when you fight Lace or other small bosses.
>>735006552Holy fucking this. I have no idea how people can complain about Flea Juggle. Just hit the fleas in one direction and you can juggle them infinitely. Use Shaman to make it even easier.Flea Bounce is the same thing. Shaman makes it simple.Flea Dodge is absolute fucking horseshit. Once you hit the 60 second or so mark you're better off just pogoing fleas at the top of the screen until you pass time than actually dodging them, because otherwise you will just fucking lose.
>>735006560I gave an explanation. I don't know if that's why TC decided to make it that way, but it's just what I suspect. You can headcanon it that Hornet is a little preoccupied with surviving the gauntlet to loot their bodies or something.
>been half a year alreadyJust how fucking big is sea of sorrow going to be
>>735007662Given that they took 7 years to make Silksong, about 1/14th of Silksong if it released today.
Could someone briefly summarize the game's story?I finished it but didn't understand shit.When I first asked, some fag posted a 1-hour video as a reply... I just wanted a simple summary of what the heck happened in the game.thanks
>>735007908This is assuming you know the events of the original HK>Hornet gets kidnapped >Hornet escapes kidnapping, but instead of fucking off decides to find out why she was kidnapped>Hornet (a Weaver) finds Weaver artifacts and succs their power>Finds Lace and has a yuri battle (skippable)>Finds out about Grand Mother Silk who the bugs that kidnapped her worshipped>GMS made Weavers (from "normal" spiders) using God powers. God powers are a thing in HK lore. Just like Silk and Void, it's magic I ain't gotta explain shit>Weavers decide they want to rule Pharloom. Reasons vary from Weaver to Weaver, but they come together and...>seal up GMS, use her Silk to make a paradise kingdom>Some realize that she's a fucking God and eventually she's gonna break free>Already her influence is fucking with the kingdom making bugs with weak willpower possessed and shit>Some fuck off away from Pharloom to Hollownest and other locales>Rematch (or first match if you skipped the first one) against Lace>Lace is pissed off because she sees herself as an artificial creation of GMS and can never be her true "daughter" like the Weavers>Weavers aren't actually GMS daughter, that is Weaver propaganda before they realized the truth>Lace thinks GMS "wants" Hornet, but in truth being in proximity to a Weaver is enough to make her start to reawaken and she wants to genocide all the Weavers and their kin for revenge>beat the shit out of Lace>beat the shit out of GMS>canon Act 3 ending (I'm not explaining the other ones) you are tricked into making a snare for GMS that drags her to the void. >Lace (who is bipolar or some shit) decides to save you. Probably actually because she hates mom more than she hates you(cont.)
>>735007908Silk, a spider-goddess, create Weavers, a spider-people able to use magic in the form of silk (regular). Together they rule over the kingdom of Pharloom. Eventually the Weavers put Silk to sleep and rule alone. After that, some Weavers leave Pharloom, not wanting to stick around when Silk wakes up. These Weavers find Hallownest, and their leader, Herrah, make a child with the Pale King, which is Hornet. Weavers have an hard time making children (think of them as the elves of the HK world). Hornet grows up, and the first HK game happens. Silk, meanwhile, has woken up, at least partly, and sends for Weavers and Weavers-descendant across the land to recreate her family by force, using threads mingled in the bodies of generation of bugs, which ensnare their minds. Lonely, she creates Lace, a being of pure silk who will never leave her. Hornet is captured, but freed by Lace, who thinks Hornet will become Silk's surrogate daughter due to her powerful strength and heritage, thus making her irrelevant. Hornet climbs Pharloom and confronts Silk, either killing her and taking her power in the base ending or attempting to trap her into the Abyss in the secret ending. It fails when Lace shows up and get dragged down into the Abyss with Silk. The goddess, moved by maternal love rather than out of self-preservation, sends threads all over Pharloom to attempt to buy her daughter a little time. The threads are used by the Abyss to wreak havoc on the land, and Hornet chooses to save Lace rather than wait out Silk's inevitable destruction, which will not come before Pharloom is itself destroyed. In the end, Hornet defeats Lace, who has been corrupted by the Abyss, and Silk sacrifices herself to bring her daughter and granddaughter out of the Abyss, with the additional help of the Knight from HK, who had become one with the Abyss in the golden ending of the first game.
>>735007908>>735008749>Hornet wakes up and Pharloom is full of Void>basically GMS fell into the void that is at the bottom of the kingdom (just like Hollownest) but she is using her powers to resist it causing it to erupt into Pharloom>Hornet confronts the Snail Shamans that helped her build the trap and finds they used the powers of the abyss to do it>to undo their fuckup and have Hornet clear the void they need a mcguffin called the Everbloom which you have to again travel the kingdom, fight some old monarchs in their prime, grab their hearts, and have the snail shamans sacrifice themselves to make>once you get this, you're immune to void and you can dive to the bottom of the kingdom>Problem is, Lace is down their and she's corrupted by void>You kick her ass a third (or second) time, she gets purified, turns out mommy did love her and is protecting her down there and uses the last of her strength to boost you through the sea of void>You almost don't make it to the surface, but are ultimately rescued by the Knight, the protagonist of the first game who apparently became one and mastered the void in Ending 4 of the original game.And sorry I can't summarize it quicker, it's a 50+ hour game with an assload of lore and more story density than the first game.
Getting captured by that warden fly in Far Fields and sent to the Slab was a kino experience.
>>735010221I have bad luck getting into prison in gamesI beat the shit out of that fight in Dragon Age: Origins where if you lose you go to jail and played Silksong blind and didn't find out about the prison escape until I was well into Act 3.
I really am super excited for more content. Even if it was to never get any more content, the game is already one of my most favourite games ever. So the idea of getting even more, is very exciting.
>>735010363Legit my favorite game in the genre
>>735007662Tiny
>>735010363I love the gameplay upgrade from the first game. Just the way Hornet feels moving her around is great.
>>735010363I feel like people underestimate how useful silkspeed is.
>>735011471is that the speed anklet thing? Feels like it should've just been a permanent upgrade, same goes for a lot of the charms actually.
>>735011471Meh, I think you're quite fast enough as is. I understand using it when you're running around the map doing stuff but against bosses I don't see much point usually.
Silksong is an excellent game,I'd give it a 9/10, but I find it a bit annoying how strong the evasion abilities of so many enemies and bosses are. Some battles feel a bit like "Smash Melee", where you're constantly looking for the best position while your opponent immediately responds by repositioning themselves too, and that gets a bit annoying when opponents can just fly or teleport.I've just started playing Rabi Ribi, and I'm enjoying how the boss battles focus more on "micro-adjustments" of your position than on just dancing around with your enemies in an large area.>>735008787>>735008756Thanks
>>734983416Fucking kek. You actually think that anon has any foresight whatsoever?
>>734981523Bro got hard filtered by not being able to do quests. Fucking kek
>>734977581I 100%-ed plus all items the game. My biggest complaint is the map is shit for collecting and act 3 is too tedious to unlock. I just looked stuff up after getting an ending. A game needing wiki/map genie isn't a good thing. Also bosses should have dropped something even just currency/shards. It felt lame beating a boss and getting literally nothing.>>734983410congrats you quit game when getting low on health. All these permadeath runs are shit because of this.>>735003632I barely used tools because I'm retard and gets overwhelmed by too many buttons and I still say it's a shit system. Oh here's a combat mechanic that you have to farm for. The point of limiting it between benches makes sense to prevent spam but grinding them is not a fun activity.>>735006079Nah. I got 100% in ~41 and 100% + all items in 51
>>735012763>Nah. I got 100% in ~41 and 100% + all items in 51Guidefaggotry doesn't count
>>735006670Flea Dodge is the easiest of the three, you just need to not focus your eyes on Hornet or any flea, just watch the entire screen all at once and you'll see that most fleas are not flying anywhere close near you. It's also the game where you have access to the most of your moveset in an useful way, and it's pretty common to get saved by other fleas even if you fuck up. Finally, it's easily the shortest of the three games to reach the top of the scoreboard.
Team Cherry is gonna nerf Sawtooth Circlet, /v/! They're gonna do it!
>>735012763>congrats you quit game when getting low on healthLmao that's what you'd do, quitter
>>735012816Boohoo I didn't go back and hit every wall again after I got an upgrade. Maybe make a better exploration system. After a certain point it's not worth it. Feel sad for people wasting hours for a single mask or hidden enemy journal post game.
>>735012914i havent used this thing yet. sell me on it
>>734992873Newfag
>>735006353>>735006560This is why you faggots will never actually make a game
>>735013167gimme a minute im eatin
What are the odds that the dlc will take place after act 3 and expands on hornets and laces dynamic?
>>735013167>Deals more damage than a needle hit>Has huge range>Hits behind you too>Double jumping turns it into a moving hitbox that you can use to poke flying enemies>No cooldown between uses>Doesn't cost anything to useSawtooth Circlet is a major upgrade in dusguise, like if Clawline was an equippable charm. Aerial combat is the secret to getting gud, and Sawtooth turns your movement abilities into AOE attacks. It synergizes perfectly with the kind of fun, acrobatic gameplay you'd want to do when you gain confidence and get a bit better at the combat.There's also spam tech that vomits damage and rips bosses to shreds. Check Lore Accurate Hornet on yt, he has a lot of high-level gameplay videos that cover it.
>>735006560They're not "the same enemies." The gauntlet is a curated challenge with its own set of rules and conditions, not just some enemies in a room. You're tasked with beating the whole thing in one go with no breaks between. You walk in with what you're using.>>735006653Threeefold Pins are way to comfy and consistent for how much damage they deal. Great tool, but people will overlook them because they're "just boring pins".
>>735012685Nta but it was obvious to me. Did the same thing with the pale flower quest in hollow knight
>>734977581I'm probably not even going to play it since I found silksong to be boring as fuck after the middle of act 2, most people quit because they can't beat a certain boss, I quit because after beating the bile dipshit and a couple of morons down in the lava area I realized that the game just isn't fun anymore after you get over the novelty of exploring, it overstays its welcome and keeps trying to find new ways to fuck you over for no reason
>>735015187Not a lot, since the game resets to pre-Lost Lace if you beat it.I would like it though, even if I had to beat Lost Lace again, which might be a bit tough since I've lost a bit of muscle memory. I dislike how the "default" state of the kingdom as you leave it in act 3 is a wreck
