So what are the chances for the next Deltarune newsletter coming out next week?
this is now a MIKE thread
What are the chances I can get some Dess Pegging?
I stand for RED FLOWER theory
>>734979560deltaTROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON
>>734979836Yeah I’m a troon. Trooning for some Dess pegging
>hey guyss we completed chapter 5 but we still need to translate it to japanese first
i hope chapter 5 has brutal seizure inducing images so that i may finally leave this wretched existence
>>734980020and don't forget the play testing and bug fixing and console porting
>>734980174based>>734980229cringe and gross
>>734979560Idk, we're at the stage of development where there's not much to say really. They either started to work on multiplatform bug testing or they're still toiling away at the jap localization. No way we're getting a release date until the thing is 100% ready to be shipped
>>734979560It's likely but I don't think we will have major news in it. And even after that we will have to WAIT 3 years for 6 and 7. I love WAITing.
>>734980174>>734980229God I love how fucked up Kress is. I hope she's the knight just for it to be true.
>>734982554i KNOW toby isn't brave enough to go down this route, but man would it be peak fucking writing if he did
our fuarking heroes
>>734980174depraved women are something else
>>734982889I think at best Kris might had a crush on Dess when he was younger and we get Knight manipulating him but not much else.
>>734979774I like some fantakes where they make Asgore red so he's the red flower. It's interesting.
Free me nigga
>>734983089honestly i think even that might be too much for tobert to keep in as is, at most we'd get implications but never a direct acknowledgement
>>734982889dessknight blowjobs next to sleeping susie...hot...
>>734983490Dess keeps KEKING Susie.
>>734983169I feel like this concept fits Susie more.
New trailer when there's a new Nintendo Direct, probably. Best amount of coverage he could get.
>>734983687you know it
>>734983737>"Man Kris is such a dick, I wish I could get away from him." >Monkey paw curls, you end up with Susie but she keeps you in a weaponized cage 24/7 because depriving you of choices is her thingPretty funny on paper
>>734979670I did not hate the Mike trio and I thought the floating microphone was funny.
Look at him. You really can't blame Dess.He was asking for it.
>>734984010Maybe this is what "LOVE finds its way to the girl" means. Love of fighting.
>>734984556Gokusie
>>734980174>>734980229Asgore was based making this creep molester disappear
>>734984126MIKE was simultaneously the best AND worst thing out of this release for meBattat is the most literal me character in the whole game
Maybe /v/ got polarized against Dess Knight because you're all pedophiles
>>734984881Dess will make HIM disappear next.
>>734983457That's true. He's the king at keeping things vague and up to imagination.
>>734984248We don't blame Dess. We love her here.>>734984948Dess being a weird creep is what makes Dess Knight stand here against all the other theories though. Noelle and Rudy Knight have more shitpost ammo otherwise.
>>734984693One of my top favorite Dess designs very hotCommission more Kress porn from rexuranus
>dess was drawing from how to draw dragons>dess watched music videos with aligators in bikinisdess was lesbian for bratty the whole time
>>734985556not possible with the asriel stuff she had in her roomthough everyone in the tobyverse is bi
>>734985556Toby "I LOVE YURI" Fox
>>734985658asriel is a lesbian too
>>734985751asriel is so feminine dess sees him as a girl
>>734985751>TOBY "I'M A JEW" FOX
>>734985774>asriel is a lesbian too
>>734985847
what do you think ROOTS with the house means? Kris' fucked up human parents past?
>>734986135gaster shit
>>734986135friend shit.
>>734986135>game becomes a realistic point and click in kris' old house (The Man is his father and its implied Kris was molested)would you accept this in ch6?
>>734980020Check his bsky, the japanese is actually done and all thats left is bugtesting
>>734986238>would you accept this in ch6?no
>>734986135ROOTS represents the Dreemurr house and that's when the real ROOTS song will play. (digital roots, bit roots)Something will be revealed about Asgore
>>734986325He said the first draft was done. I have no clue what the workflow actually looks like so until I hear from his mouth that it's fully done, I will not believe it.
>>734986135>>ROOTS, noun>a part of the body of a plant that grows downward into the soil>the fundamental or essential part.>the source or origin of a thing.>a person's original or true home.>the personal relationships and the like that make a place one's true home.
>>>/vg/go back
To "return to your roots">to go back to your hometown>to return to an older style or habits>to rediscover who you are>to go back to the place that you came from
>>734980174Got the full image?
>>734986752>>734986441>Copies are monochrome>But you colored each of us in with care.I think Kris was a Goner/Vessel thing that was given life.
>>734986882yes
>>734986752>>734986972>>734986441>Kris vessel>Rudy knight>Susie used RUDY BUSTERIt's so kino
It’s joever
>>734987616Literally just block these people
>>734987650Yeah, make them take puberty blockers
>>734987616>this is what she'd look like realistically
>>734987141Dess is a freak
>>734987616when will the expose on their grooming habits come out?
>>734987616I actually do like the middle more then the right
>>734987732
>>734983756This is what I was thinking. Toby is starting to feel like a 2nd party developer for them.
>>734987616meanwhile, official art:
>>734988015official art isn't canon due to how inconsistent and off model it is from work to work
>>734988015GOD, I love Susie drawn with a paunch
>>734988428based and same
>>734987616if you're planning on drawing queen (the library's state-of-the-art public laptop) please consult this image first
I saw that.
Left or Right?
>>734987616art is all about expressing yourself and drawing whatever you want!unless if offends me personally then it's problematic and you need to fuck off!
>>734988620Instructions unclear,
>>734988048This t b h only the sprites are canon
>>734988514>>734988620>muh internet computer lady>no rampant pornography degeneracy 24/7 in her worldbullshitliarnoelle should have been stripped naked and with an army of internet thingamagigs and pornomancers and doujin fuckmasters forming a line ready to fuck her before and while she's captured by the queen.
>>734988660kris is bound to dess, but his heart wants to go with susie
>>734988660Kris is already her property, there's no choice to be made.
>>734988813>fuck yeah you play as bland humanguy and the world is full of hot anthro chicks to d->turns out you're already used goods and stink of deer pissnoooooooooooooo
>>734988660Dess, her characterisation and design is a open canvas. So I can project all my fetishes on to her. She's free real estate
>>734988898>you play as bland humanguy and the world is full of hot anthro chicks to d-what game are you playing because it isn't deltarune
>>734988783She was a school laptop, porno's weren't allowed through the fire'swall.
>>734989028What was she saying that made Kris so scared
>>734989036Mondealy
>>734989091she offered to show her the collection of kris photos on her phone 3000 image gallery of creep shots
>>734989091Dess was saying Kris used to have a crush on her
>>734989080also as effectivey Noelle's Stand Queen wouldn't know about porn either.Though by the same rules Tenna should know some fucked up porno Kris watched on TV.
>>734989317>as effectivey Noelle's Stand Queen wouldn't know about porn eitherlollmao
Fahahaha Kris look i drew you and Susie kissing! Isn't that funny? Kris?
>>734989219>dess unlocks her phone>
>>734989492>green peaness
>>734989420ho ho holy rugmuncher
>>734989439Why is she like this?
everyone that likes this game is an autistic homosexual
>>734987616
>>734989892>kris still wearing the red horns while being in Alphys's classwrong>dess having that big of an age gapwrong>carol and toriel being on rocky ground before dess disappearsincorrect>putting out a joint by stubbing it like a cigno
>>734990148>>carol and toriel being on rocky ground before dess disappearsI can see it. She never gave the Dreemurs a key, like Noelle said.
>This happens in chapter 5Your reaction?
>>734990337>wtf
>>734989219>"Yo Bratty, check out this photo of Asriel and I">Dess opens her gallery and proceeds to flip through an ungodly amount of Kris photos>photos of her hugging Kris, playing with Kris, pretend kissing Kris, wrestling Kris, drawing on Kris, cuddling Kris while he's napping, clothes swapping with Kris>and some other photos which were definitely non-consensual>Bratty pretends that this is normal>Dess eventually finds the photo>it's of her cuddling with Azzy on the couch>Bratty can see Kris's sleeve on Dess's thigh
>>734990114
>>734990448What does Asriel think about his sibling getting molested by his girlfriend?
>>734990148>>carol and toriel being on rocky ground before dess disappears>incorrectWhat gives people such confidence about their headcanon
>>734990516>Dess is spending more and more time with Kris>and usually alone>they must be good friends
Kris is a girl. The fact both Noelle (a homosexual) and Berdly (a gamer girl connoisseur) are attracted to her is proof.
>>734990448>remembering that Dess is in the same age group as Bratty, Catty and PezzapantsYou have a bigger brain than Toby does.
>>734990690Berdly doesn't think having sex with girly boys is bad because traps aren't gay, like a true gamer would say.
>>734990690Lesbians aren't real and all gamers are gay/trans/gaytrans. All this proves is that Kris is hot. >>734990712Also this.
>>734990690Humans are the exception.
>>734990693there has to be a reason why they don't mention hereither she's a taboo topic (around kris) or she was an outcast and really only friends with asriel (and kris and noelle)
>>734990871they might have all moved on
>>734990871They all knew what Dess was doing to Kris. What they don't know is that Kris genuinely enjoyed it and fell in love with her. They think bringing her up with trigger PTSD, but really it would just make it hard for Kris to walk from sexual arousal.
>>734990690Berdly wouldn't care if Kris has balls>>734990712You know what you're talking about
>>734990871being a taboo topic would make bratty or catty even more likely to spill the beansmore likely, toby just has a plot-wall in place because he wants to keep "serious plot element missing sibling" separate from "burgerpants strikes out and turns prison gay, also b&c are lesbians now please clap and draw lots of fanart :)"
>>734990979>we know it was difficult for you, Kris>we try not to bring up... her>we didn't want the memories to return>memories of her hurting you>touching you>abusing y->Kris are you pitching a tent?
>>734991178>>734990712Where are people pulling the idea that Berdly is gay from? He never, NOT ONCE, has shown attraction to men. He is explicitly obsessed with gamer girls. This is clearly working backwards. You see Berdly showing attraction to Kris, and because you view Kris as a man, you retroactively are turning Berdly gay.
>>734991274>Susie learns about what Dess did>Wants to talk to Kris>"Noelle told me that I remind her of Dess. I just want you to know that I would never do something like that to you, Kris">"Why do you look so disappointed?"
>>734991305I think he might not be fully straight because this statue kinda screams fragile masculinity
>>734990712Truth nuke
>>734991383He has a fragile Ego because he thinks all anyone could ever like him for is his intelligence, and he's not even the smartest kid at his school. Also, his parents molest him. This town has a dark side.
>>734991305I didn't say Berdly was gay, Berdly is Kris-Sexual
>>734991486Why is every kid getting raped in this town is this fucking Epsteinville
>>734990871>don't want to upset Kris>never really liked her anywayIt's both.
Things that be cracked>glass>love>ice>bat>egg
>>734991674You forgot fine shyts, unc.
>>734991674I can't believe Dess wacked her bat on Kris' nuts
>>734991674I want to crack Kris
>>734987616How about I draw whatever the hell I want and you go fuck yourself
>>734990693Why is everyone else from that age group sort of a loser? Only Asriel went to college
>>734991870Anon can you draw me big tit Susie with a paunch?Thanks
>>734990114My nigga
>>734991883Hometown should have more opioids and teen pregnancy. Hopefully Kris will solve that problem in the next chapter.
>>734991883You've read the dialogue of Bratty, Catti, and Pizzapants, right?Do they seem like they could pass college?
Does college even exist? I feel like it's going to be revealed that Hometown is the entire world. Everything outside of it is gone.
>>734992224Have you met someone in college?
>>734991883Because they're all from Hotland in Undertale and that group of characters was the most "normal people having gay normal problems, but as magic monsters" bunch of motherfucks in that game.>except Toby has brain worms so the double date, lusting over Mettaton, and King Fluffybuns are VERBODEN, now the alley cat and alleygator are in love~ and burgerpants and the ice cream bunny are in love~ (burgerpants doesn't know it yet)The Hotland crew was Toby and his friends at the time of Undertale, other than the Huss who was Mettaton. Now Tobert wants to pretend that life didn't exist so they're all washed up faggots and he's self inserting as a cute teenage deer girl instead.
>>734992224bratty could absolutely suck and fuck her way to a social studies related degree
>>734991972What if Deltarune was set in Memphis TN
>>734992392how can one piece of art contain no less than 5 of my degenerate kinks, yet be completely unfappable and borderline repulsive?
>>734992465I'm curious to know what your 5 degenerate kinks areTell me
Who will win next Chapter?Asgorefags, or Sansfags?
>>734992332Why did Toby turn everyone gay?
>>734992583Sansfags, there will be many divorced Asgore jokes
>>734987616I kind of agree that she wouldn't wear a low-cut top like that, but it's not like you suddenly go through second-puberty to get your adult body after you turn 18.also,>realisticallyshe's not even human.
>>734992525okay but don't laughambiguously tan/brown tomboyshairy girlswooly beanie hat things pulled way down on the head over short curly hairmuffin topsREALLY hairy girls
>>734990337I just want Suselle to lose.
>>734992583sans "losing" is him winningbeing painted in a negative light at the end of chapter 4, is him literally getting toriel pussythe only way he would lose if asgore hits him so hard, it permanently brings his HP down to 1
The way people interpret Dess reminds me a lot of Wendy from Gravity Falls, which works for me since my favorite niche for her in fanart seems to be what people have keyed too here as well.
>>734992736also i forgotlarger than average noses
>>734990114BASED
>>734990337As long as Suselle dies in a ditch where it belongs, anything is fine.I'll take Susie ending up with Berdly before I start to like Susie and Noelle as a couple.
>>734992609Straightness doesn't actually exist in Deltarune. For every character that's even hinted as being gay, that's like +20 internet points. Outright SHOWING someone becoming more gay gets you FORTY internet points. His most autistic fans are all hanging on for the lesbian romance anyway, just add more of them and you get instant win like a Top Ramen scratch-off.
>>734992776Is she genuinely stupid or is she pretending to be stupid to get away with sexual acts around a child (the most common and successful form of female-led sexual abuse)?
>>734992736These fetishes aren't too bad honestlyI like brown tomgirls and hairy armpits
>>734992868Obviously the latter, since it's the same /ss/ fapwank people have been getting off to for many years and will continue any time an older female character is shown in any autist-inclined* property*furry, calarts cartoon, animated webcomic, you know the type
>>734992891>kiddie diddler dessyeah sorry that does absolutely nothing for me and i feel like i'm taking fucking crazy pills with how much it's spammed everywhere possible, here, /trash/, wherever
>>734992868Cite your sources.
Why did she do it?
>>734992778Long noses, or wide noses?[/spoiler>>734993053I don't like this design much either, but it's the only one I saved that wears a beanie.Give me a better Beanie Dess
>>734993053You clearly have shit taste and weren't molested as a child. I want that selfish whore to pin Kris down and rub her dirty pussy in their face. I want her to completely destroy Kris's normal development and steal their ability to understand romance. I want Kris to feel worthless without her and disgusting around her. I don't want Kris to choose when they get their first kiss, first make-out session, first time having sex. All of that will be stolen by Dess. >>734993135My masturbation and homicide fantasies.
>>734993229long or just upsized in general. hawk nose, beaks, roman noses, upturned ends, even the occasional bulbous nose, but absolutely no wide/flat african (or recessed asian) noses or the ones that look like an upside down Wi've never been so auitistically specific about this before
>>734993161She knows Susie would be all cool with Noelle and Kris being friends. She's just lying to herself to make distance from Kris.The only reason to do that is so Susie doesn't see Kris as a rival for Noelle's affection, and since this is all where Noelle's mind goes on it's own, that means she sees that rivalry as valid.It's cognitive dissonance in it's purest form. She's trying to convince herself more than Susie.Or maybe Toberto is just trying to shut down any shipper that isn't a Suselle one, and like always, sabotaging his own story to do it. (if Suselle ends up not happening, Chapter 2 goes from a 6 to a 9 instantly)
>>734993234>You clearly have shit taste and weren't molested as a child.A regular Notre Damus, ain't ye?
>>734992868It's fanart of an older girl with a younger boy, of course her end goal is to molest the shit out of him. It's tragic that Hirshe wasn't based enough to put it in the actual show.
>>734990516He rolled with the punches. Getting cucked is a Dreemurr family tradition after all!
Toby characters always look fucking goofy so Dess should look goofy like her sister and not some weird sexpot.
>>734993669Noelle got the goofy nonthreatening look from Rudy, so Dess must have gotten the Sexy and unapproachable look from Carol.
>>734993771how big is your grinch porn folder
>>734993669Goofy ingame, sexy in fanart is the rule.
>>734993803It used to be small, but then I saw Carol and it grew three sizes that day.
>>734993324I think it's interesting, I have a slight nose fetish too. I think Aquine noses are cute, or those up turned noses. With the nostrilsI think it's just me wanting non standard designs, that are unconventionally attractive. I can get tired of standard anime design
>>734993830I reject your rule. Give me the goof.
>>734993921Why is she shaped like a tampon. Is that her light world object?
>>734993841i've actually wondered that myself, if it came from seeing so much eastern art/designs with just a dot or the nose completely removed from the face that something broke and went way in the opposite directionin general human faces are fucking weird and picking up a pencil only made me realize how weird they can be and still look good, or the opposite, how they can look good but come off as weird>>734993946she's a bowling pin
>>734993669>Toby characters always look fucking goofy
>>734993669Well, she's the black sheep of her family
>>734994013It probably is that, I started to appreciate designs with "flaws" more. Big noses, crooked teeth, blemished skins etc.I think they can give characters more appeal. They're not ugly, just unconventionally attractive.
>>734994229>sheep>deeranon, you might be mentally retarded...
>>734994229is she analbino black sheep
>>734994320shut the fuck up
>>734994320yeah you get it man>>734994440go soak your head, basic bitchboy
>>734994535die
>>734994568You just know berdly would have melted for queen if she did mommydom goth tsundere tomboy slavery asmr joi with CEI.
>>734994651These words are not in the Bible.
>>734994440Why did my post make you upset>>734994535Of course, I know what I like best
>>734994717But they are in The Prophecy.
>>734994739>Why did my post make you upsetI want HOT CHICKS and I want them to actually show up and do stuff often in the gametl;dr eat shit faggots
>>734979560>>734982475I feel like the next Newsletter will tell us if we're getting Chapter 5 in Summer or Winter. We know it's coming this year, and there's no way it's coming in Spring. So the Spring Newsletter is the last chance to say "this is the season it'll come out in".If it says it's coming out in Summer, that's that. If it doesn't specify, it's probably Winter. I don't imagine he'd keep us that in the dark about the progress given how open he was last time about how they were entering TL and Build Testing.
>>734994793queen is hot and she has a mole and an ugly tooth gap and a horrible laugh
>>734994793Noelle is a long faced bucktooth dork, and fanart erases her flaws.BTW you can draw what you want, I have anime Noelle art saved.>>734994971Exactly, Toby designs characters like I described in my previous posts
>>734992392RUH ROH
>>734995165BACK TO THE LAB AGAIN
>>734994793But you posted a long-nosed dork
whats the likelyhood that dess got pregnant as a teen?
I'm going to end up being a complete nothingburger
>>734995456The same odds as her mother
>>734995298sex creature
>>734981873So, who's giving the best head? Susie, Noelle or Temmie?
>>734995753temmie has no fucked up teeth
>>734980174>>734980229I didn't find the sauce with 3 basic tags on e621 and r34. Who's the artist?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvmNce90Gr4
>>734995753Temmie is giving Berdly Eskimo kisses, he's just excited to have someone there. Noelle is just kissing Kris's dick, but the act reminds Kris of Dess so they cum instantly. Susie is just tearing Ralsei's dick off with her teeth, but he is plastic and just regrows it. He just makes that face because it's what he thinks he should do. Overall, Noelle is doing to the best (barely), but Berdly is enjoying it more because he doesn't have to think about Dess to cum.
>>734995456Ralsei is her unborn child. Ralsei is gay because of the holiday genes
>>734980174>>734980229Found the sauce. It seems it wasn't uploaded to any booru or it has been deleted.https://xcancel.com/Detrimindexta_/status/1994548803580669966https://files.catbox.moe/mgbwgq.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/44b6ms.jpg
>>734995951Rancid.
>>734996189Tell me where I was wrong. STRIKE ME DOWN IF YOU CAN. ALL I SAY IS TRUEEEEEEE!
>>734996182Where did the humans in this pic come(LOL) from
>>734996439They came out of town from upstate New York
>>734987616>random twitter nigger tries to police episode 2billion3hundredthosand4hundredand12deltatroons will be mad at this and not the insane ai yter that is doxxing people https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct9mHeMsIvc&lc=UgzLOuvPSBzqfauD2zB4AaABAg.AUK2gsLC51bAUK2q6hrXzP
>>734996527Well I'm from Rochester, and I've never seen those people.
>>734995753>SusieDoesn't know what she's doing and is scared of biting, but has a nice long tongue to make up for it>NoelleThinks she knows what she's doing, so she's clumsy and toothy but eager to try. Even more turned on by the idea of grabbing her antlers than you are and keeps pushing herself down on it until she gags.>TemmieGoing absolutely fucking wacky on it, sucking your soul out through your dick, making you howl like a beast, the kind of nut where you feel like your whole chest has been hollowed out afterward
>>734982554Kress can happen without her being the Knight, as a Rudy Knighter.
Reminder Rudy Knight is objectively the best written and most sensible knight theory.
>>734996741Oh, not in Rochester, no. They're from Buffalo.
>>734995753Temmie has ruined lives, all because she's THAT good at giving head.
June 6 release date?
>>734997963june 19 release date
>>734997426He deserved it for being retarded
what if toby goes full orient express and EVERYONE is the knight?
>>734998624Glory to the CCP
>m'lady
>>734995951good post
KNEEL
>>734999395This scene was so good.
RAPErol is the Knight, btw.>b-but the churchTop 3 most powerful monsters in Hometown next to Undyne/Asgore. Running to the church is no biggie if she can outrun Susie while carrying Undyne.Regardless, time is diegetic in Deltarune.
>>735000076Carol could have just as easily made the dark fountain before coming back home. No need for any of this "Time is diagetic" bullshit, whatever that means.She's definitely a red herring pick though. Just there to trip up the normies who pay attention and comb through as much optional flavor text as possible. Not designed to actually fool the fans who play the game more than once.
>>735000808
/ll/ Kress is so much better than /ss/ Kress.
>>735001101the 'time is diagetic' argument is that time passes the same for us, the player, as it does in game for the characters i disagree with this, since story element always happens at a predetermined time regardless of what the player was doing beforehand in ch4, after leaving noelle's house, you can:go to the lakego to castle town (if you hadn't earlier)check in on burgerpants check back homeall before you go back to the church to progress the plot the knight, whoever it may be, could've easily come from the holiday house within that timeframe when you factor in all the optional things, along with the fact that we don't see hometown in its entirety when walking through it, there are streets we flat out do not see
Found this opinion from a Kress and Desselle shipper on tumblr I thought you guys could use it to make this and future threads better or worse.
>>735001304the forbidden path began with /ll/
Dess was a doomsday prepper and was so good at going innawoods the cops couldn't find her
The part of Deltarune Chapter 7 when Susie get Ipad
>>735001331>little human girl has a crush on her older monster brother Wow Toby, I didn't know you were based like that.
>>735001331I'd be more likely to see this as evidence for the Sister Replacement theory than anything.
>>735001646Yeah, that.
>>735001597someone didn't play ut
>>735001331I'll try repeating it verbatim at some point, thanks.
>>735001331Anyway I can't believe it took me like 8 years to find the tumblr flavored deltarune degens. This entire time I swapped between 4chan flavored deltarune degens and tumblr deltarune prudes but despite knowing about that particular underbelly I couldn't find the tumblr degens who also talked about deltarune until like four months ago. Thanks for reading my blog have a nice night.
>>735001331Could your imagine someone inventing the argument back when there was the krisrial spammer. He'd be insufferable.
>>735001362That Kris is so cute ToT
>>735001101No she couldn't have. The knight made two darkworlds in the church, the second one behind a locked door. It's implied the knight locked itself inside the closet in the church. It's a literal locked room.
>>734992392starring ethan ralph as asgore
>>735002454you can go in and out of dark worlds without closing them, you know.It happens at the end of chapter 3.open fountain, leave to go tell Susie to leave the guitar alone, go back after Kris leads her into the church.
>>735002454the knight only made one dark world in ch4, the first sanctuary in the entrance way was due to leakage from the proper one in the atrium
>>735002651The knight had to be have been waiting inside the church, and the only place it could have been is inside that closet. If they were outside, then they would have seen the knight in the church entrance hall. The closet was pointed out for a reason.
>>735003063The Knight was in the entrance hall. that means she had to have gone from that Dark World to the one within the full church at some point. I don't know what your misunderstanding is here, genuinely.The Knight was there when the Titan fight happened. We know that because the Knight was the one who summoned the Titan in the first place. Naturally, this would mean she was in the church along with Kris and Susie after the Dark World closed down.
>>735002287Even the most vile 4chan degenerates can't compare to the average tumblr proshipper.
>>735003316The locked darkworld was connected to the entrance hall one. The knight entered it from there.
>>735003398correct. Therefore, she could have entered after the fun gang to be there to hide in the closet.
>>735003572That would require absurd gymnastics of entering, leaving, entering, and then leaving the dark world, all while treating the closet as a red herring. That's not how you write a mystery.
>>735003661She's in the closet, dude. Again, I genuinely don't know what our miscommunication is.We don't see everywhere in the Dark World, so she could literally be anywhere, moving wherever she wants as long as it's anywhere out of view.>get call from Kris>realize they don't have as much time as previously thought>rush over to open the Dark World at the church (possibly already there about to do it anyway, or already done before getting the call)>leave, and head back to the Holiday House>tell Susie to fuck off>wait until Kris leads her into the church>follow in after them to aura farm a bitI don't even know how you got me to argue this point. We all know Dess is more than likely the Knight given what we know at the moment.The thing about Red Herrings is that they have to be obvious and in your face. Optional interact text on a background detail isn't that.
>>735003865Anon, how did she enter the closet? She had to waiting inside it *before* Kris and Susie entered the dark world. If she just walked inside the room like them, she would be standing next to them when the world dissipated.
>>735003374Their most popular ship seems to be TennaKris.
>>735004009we don't exactly know what the dark worlds closing in universe looks like, so the knight could've quickly managed to hide in the closet during the flashor maybe you are put back to roughly where you were when you entered the dark world when it closes, if the knight made the fountain in the closet then they'd already be in there both before and after we also know you can do a little bit of moving between dark worlds if you enter another one from within, like how kris and susie were sprawled out in the spare classroom at the end of ch1 despite entering from the closet fountain
>>735004009Entered it as quick as possible when the dark world was collapsing since it doesn't happen all at once.Fucked off to the Closet part of the dark world while they were busy fighting the Titan (why she didn't interfere)Take your pick.Invariably, the Knight had to move from the place that the Fun Gang was to the closet at one point or another considering she was in the same space as them at certain points in the story, but wasn't in the same space at the end. Did it happen before or after the dark world closed? Who gives a shit?
>>735004116>>735004135In both of those scenarios there's no reason for the closet to exist. The knight could have just ran out of the church, making it unnecessary.For the available hints to have any meaning the mechanics have to work in a specific way -- you return to the light world in the same place you entered. Susie and Kris are always standing up because they walk into them. Noelle and Berdly were sleeping in chapter 2 because that's what they were doing when entered. Making all the hints meaningless red herrings is stupid and lame.
>>735004256Run and Hide are not always two equally valid solutions. I can't believe you'd even think that. Running would make her far more likely to be seen. She almost just got caught the night before.Not to mention that the "hide in a closet" strategy worked perfectly in chapter 2 (and 4 since she's got Kris helping)>you return to the light world in the same place you enteredalright. I'm done. That genuinely got me upset. Go play the free eight year old demo, then come back and apologize. Here's a hint, it's at the end of chapter 1.
>>735004053Yeah, Tumblr is freaky.
All this proves is that the knight mystery is shit and doesn't have consistent rules. The clues don't mean anything because all the mechanics are arbitrary.
>>735004913The only issue are the retarded secondaries who only see the game from youtube shorts and theory videos.
>>735005791Bro episode 1 was released almost 10 years ago. The only people who played the game and still vividly remember all these small details are severely mentally ill.
>>735005927you can play it more recently than it's release day, you know.I replayed the whole game in anticipation for chapters 3 and 4. then again a month later just because it doesn't take long, and I kept thinking about the game.you could also just not argue about those small details of a game you barely remember, and take it on the chin when you get corrected.
>>734987616I actually like the middle the most. It's tasteful.
>>735006110Bro, it's very clear the knight "mystery" is not a real mystery (as in, involving hard evidence). This is evident by the fact the leading theory involves zero evidence and is based entirely around symbolism. Even the most dedicated fans believes all these details are either meaningless or red herrings.
>>734985556That was just another attempt at her grooming Kris. She's a groomer but she's not gay>>734985751This is still Krusie trust the plan.
>>734986135The shelter, obviously. That's where the forest grows.
>>734987616We LOVE off-model art of the Undertale kiddos and Deltarune teens here. Xitter lost.
>>735002287If you search Deltarune Yellow on tumblr, you get sporadic art of the fangame itself, and a deluge of art of the yellow addison from chapter 2.
>>734988660This is past vs future but Kress has far more angst so I'm sticking to the past here.
>>734990337Ralsei is for Susie or Kris.
>>734990516He didn't care which is why he quickly moved on to the cat, crocodile and then the love of his life.
>>734992583Sans, Asgore will be overshadowed by his flowers.
>>7349940983D models aren't indicative of canon desu even if I find his Frisk and Chara models hot.
>>734994815It could come out in fall as well. That's even more likely, too.
>>734995456Toby is less likely to put that in his game than Kress but the Ralsei is an aborted fetus theory makes me laugh a bit.
>>734999395>>734999487Genuinely one of the reasons Kress grew in popularity was scenes like these.
>>735001304>>735001362Dykes molesting each other is lamer, I like Dess being a straight pedophile.
>>735001331>>735002287>>735003374Tumblr has ALWAYS been more freaky than 4chan ever has. People joke about Kress here but back in 2016 during Undertale's peak popularity Tumblr Sans was wayyyy more fucked up towards Frisk than 4chan Dess is towards Kris, even beyond what we can possibly imagine
>>735007189
Dess Knight has one big problem: how the FUCK did literally nobody see an 8-foot tall magical black knight run all over town? Shouldn't there at least have been a HINT of someone seeing something that absurd?
>>735001597We knew for awhile now Toby was a Chasriel shill as that was canon in Undertale.
>>734985556everyone's gay for lizards in toby land
>>735008039All Knight theories have this problem so we are better off assuming the Knight is invisible, disguised or only moves around at night
>>735007189I also love this one.Toby has the opportunity to do a fantastic angsty yearning romance if he follows throughhe won't
I have the same fetish as Shen and Toby, i need my Susie tsundere bully to act cute at the festival
>>735001331Jaru's theory of Kris being a brocon and being the reason Dess died is winning bigly.
>>735008701What if Dess fucked Kris and Asriel fucked Noelle? Based?
>>735008901go home Alphys
>>735008895Who?
i think the best and worst part for chapter 4 is the information about the prophecy. there's just enough information for us to make assumptions but not enough for us to figure anything out. there's two candidates for the cage with human soul and parts, three options for the girl, three options for the prince, and two options for even the knight. not to mention all that nonsense with Kris and Carol. they clearly don't want to really start the roaring so what's your speculation on the supposed plan?
>>735007226/ss/ is lamer because half the time it's just self insert shit.
cuckelle
>>735008925Insane Deltarune theorist that made a dumb schizophrenic theory that broke the fandomhttps://youtu.be/C5_kIZXZPeo
>>735001331I think it's fucking insane that these people can't conceive having someone you love without actually wanting to fuck them too, and I say this as someone with a massive incest fetish.
>>735004009She entered the closet in the Dark World equivalent of it, and when the fountain closed she was already inside.
>>735001331maybe that's because asriel is his fucking brother
>>735006632There's a Tumblr/Fandom phenomenon that I like to call the "sexyman black hole effect". That basically a tumblr sexyman can be so popular that every character associated with him becomes extremely popular as well even if they're completely irrelevant in actual canon. The biggest example of this is probably Grillby from Undertale. In actual Undertale he's just a very minor NPC, but because he was associated with Sans, who was THE Tumblr Sexyman of all time, he became extremely popular, reaching Muffet levels popularity in peak 2016 Undertale fandomhttps://youtu.be/ESTsFf3TwAsThis phenomenon is seen in Deltarune as well where the addisons were super popular when Chapter 2 came out because they are associated with Spamton and now Pippins are popular because they're associated with Tenna and Battat.
>>735007757Holy fucking kino>>735008798At best he will keep it to imagination, he doesn't have the balls to follow through it.
>>735008901Stay here, Alphys.
>>734979774Flowey Rojo.... el hermano de Diciembre....
alleged chapter 5 leak
>>735008943It's just that older woman molesting older woman isn't hot, only the contrary is.
>>735009121noelle has someone better waiting for her on the horizon.
>Kris thread on /v/ >gets gaped and raped by Dess scholars
>>735011627Just like Dess what Dess did to Kris in canon!
>>735008913>>735010924nope alphys is a freak but surprisingly not a loli or shota freak. she actually ships krusie because of course she fucking would
>>735012210That's true. Alphys does explicitly reject dating Frisk in Undertale.
>>735012000>women servant>man governorI'm reminded of how sexist society historically is, which only makes me harder when tobias subverts it by making the big dumb girl fuck the tiny smart guy as nature intended.
>>734995753Objectively, Temmie, but Kris is enjoying Noelle more because she knows his kinks and is playing into their sadomasochism dynamic by biting. Susie is dead last because she has no clue what she's doing, but Ralsei doesn't either, so this is still the best head he's ever had.
>>734995753Ralsei is the one feeling most pleasure because it's the first time they have ever given him head.
>>735007086What if he's not aborted, but died when Dess did?
>>735013640That's also a bit funny but I don't think Dess died at all.
>>734987616>TwitterDon't care.
>>734989281Why are the Holidays such freaks?
>>735014285Carol’s human/weeb obsession got passed down to them
>>734990516She broke Asriel first, so he was down for whatever she wanted.
>>735014285They're the most powerful family in a small town. Nobody to stop them.
>>734979836NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO delete this post RIGHT FUCKING NOW
>>734991517monsters are very sensual creatures
>>734992510This is what Noelle daydreams about
>>734993404I can't tell if that was intentional
>>734992750Sans already has 1 HP because he's a lazy douche. Asgore should just kill Sans outright on accident, because it's funny, and because telling people who think Sans hopped from deltarune to undertale to suck it would be based
>>735015270Wow, shitting on his fans and destroying a decade of theorizing for a joke is such a tricky tony thing to do my fellow redditor!
>>735000076>>735001101We're getting SCREAM'd. There are, at minimum, two knights. Carol is the light world knight. Because she's not actually an abomination she can't do supernatural shit besides opening portals and floating (somehow). The dark world knight is darkner "Dess" powered up with Kris's soul, and it can't or won't actually leave the dark world.
>>735008039Everyone in town except the main characters and knight suspects are stupid and were asleep at the time.
>>735015480Sans tards are redditors and they deserve to be rug pulled
>>735008039Shapeshiting and hiding in the shadows.
>>735006972Alright you pedantic fucker, is this goofy to you?I do admit his edgier form is.
Anyone have that screencap saying Kris is the most raped character in fiction?
>>734990693It's foreshadowing for Dess being a fucking loser.
>>735012810>making the big dumb girl fuck the tiny smart guyThat sounds oddly familiar
>>734991972Kris isn't that Jewish.
Imagine if Sans got Toriel pregnant, then disappeared and left her to raise the child as a single mother.
>>734998624>Murderer>works for a murderer>Goverment stoogeHuh...
this kress shit is just a desperate, pathetic attempt at reliving the pure magic that was finding out about the doe rape route
>>735016714Weird route isn't Kris x Noelle, it's YOU x Noelle, we can both get our bags
>>735015703Sans is the most popular UTDR character, Toby rugpulling all of Deltarune's tease in Undertale would be shit.
>>735015749Yeah, that's fair. He doesn't look goofy, he looks very cool. There's no shame in posting that artist, his work is hot
>>735017004a shame the artist slowed down a lot in recent years, but that asriel/noelle set was hot
>>735016714Those two scenarios are literal opposites:>Raping your childhood friend into compliance>Being raped by your childhood idol into compliance
>>735018035They do share one feature, which is that it's only ostensibly unwilling
>>735017828What do Kris and Noelle see in her
>>735018303She's the dragonlord's daughter.
>>735017828I'm glad the noelle arg confirmed the cast is 16 because I really cant believe people think they were 12 with all the in game hints like part time jobs/college stuff
The on going saga of this game is like the only thing in life I've been looking forward to in the last 2 years. I'm going to be so sad when it's over.
>>735018432I think those guys are 12 themselves and saw themselves in the cast.
>>735018565Speaking for yourselfI'm tired of this bullshit and I can't wait for it to be over so I can finally be free and move onCurrently crossing my fingers chapter 7 is just a pathway to the final bosses.
>>735016781the Holiday family trying to monopolize or be monopolized by humans
>>735007034the chapter is almost completed, how the hell would it take this long? This isn't a very long game nor a very complex one. Some people make complete 3D games with 0.5 of the budget alone in the same time frame. Is it just autism on Toby's part?
>>735019497Bad programming, exploded wrists, autism, dicking off in japan
>>735019497>how the hell would it take this long?everyone in 2024 was pondering the same thing
>>735019497Toby fox takes an inexplicably long time to make his games even when there aren't many good reasons to. We just have to be thankful the worst waiting is probably over.
>>735019774it's a miracle the wait between the 2013 demo and Undertale was just two years
>>735016714i just want to protect this sad, scared reindeer
>>735019497It terms of technical skill and effort required, obviously Deltarune is pretty low, but the sheer volume of writing, and the ridiculous spiderweb of flags involved in that dialogue, takes a long time to write, edit, and test all of it. And not only is Toby doing all the writing himself, he's probably even arrogant enough to do the Japanese translation himself.
>still no hard modeIs this even legal? Isn't there other kickstarter shit still missing too?
>>735020061then stop playing the game, because you're bad if you do that (laughs)
>>735019893The backer thing probably pushed him to move faster, also he could work mostly alone and not depends on a team + didn't had to work on collaborations and talksToby probably has an extremely busy life all the time with not a lot of free time despite all the money
>>735016019The child? Togore (Canon)
>>735020142>Is this even legal?Are you going to take him to court over it? If not, then it's completely legal.
>>735020142it's missing the robot date and the comic promised there too
>>735017195Yeah, agreed. He has been working on random furries instead of goats and humans lately. Thankfully there's other artists that draw those but I liked his models the most out of 3Dslop
>>735020061You're supposed to protect the dragon. Don't get a side-chick.
>>735018432Those are the same people that think Frisk is 4 years old. I think it's just infantilization
>>735020207Kris ToT
>>735019497There's still console ports and bug fixing. I can still see it being released in august at earliest.
>>735020330Carol being mad about the guitar unironically is right, I don't think she's homophobic or even really mad at Susie, she just still is grieving and people misinterpreted her reactions, people treat her like she was screaming slurs or something
>>735020351Frisk is 12 like Ness to me
>>735019893Undertale is a less complex game and Toby was more inhibited because of no team. Toby cut many things when making Undertale like Mettaton being Frisk's robot husband while in Deltarune he only cuts stuff like Board 3 after it was mostly completed.
Shit is going down in chapter 5.I hope the final chapters completely change on the weird route, and that's why they aren't teased on the weird route webpage.
>>735020457your probably right but its still funny >people treat her like she was screaming slurs or somethingi grinch is their nigger
>>735020142He said he wasn't going to work on it all the way back in 2018 but only for nippon.
>>735020260My issue is that he was one of the few artists to do Asriel the way I like, as in, not effeminate, not too masculine, assertive and straight.
>>735020519>Undertale is a less complex gameThe demo had 2 bosses, the full release added around 19 other bosses (depending on how you count).The real difference is that he didn't waste much time in shit no one asked for like teacup rides or MANTLE.
>>735020410Uooooohhhhhhh human cunny!!!
>>735020876Bosses aren't what take time, it's the writing and NPCs
>>735020491I agree. The kiddos of Undertale are around 10-12 in my headcanon.
>>735020959oh really
>>735021026Yeah. Undertale is like 80 thousand words long and Deltarune is already substantially longer. There are thousands, possibly tens of thousands of flags to make and test
Kris will have to settle for the fat chick.
>>735020682I'm more of a human enjoyer than a goatfag so there's better artists that draw Frisk/Chara than him, but I can see why a goatfag would like him. His Asriel model is very good. I guess there's always an option to commission him to do more Asriel work or just seek his older art.
>>735020876Compared to full Deltarune? Yes. Toby himself thinks current Deltarune is 2 and a half Undertales
>>735021056what a fucking waste
I can't wait for the moment I can murder Ralsei while he does nothing to stop me
>>734985751toby "girls like undyne can love girls like alphys" fox
>>735020876I asked for MANTLE. Not directly, but I liked the whole thing and would've enjoyed the city board proper were it in as well.Also the bosses barely take dev time compared to the actual story lmao
>>735018303>i can fix hervs>i can make her worse
>>735021318Taping a picture of Susie onto Ralsei's face then going to town!
>>735021369haha yeahhow funny he didn't bother doing a single proper midboss for chapter 3 and let chapter 4 have the same amount of bosses chapter 1 had despite being considerably longer
>mikefags are still seething and sneeding
>>735020317as much fun as it would be cucking Kris into oblivion I prefer the side chick
>>735021649Yeah, it's funny how weirdly games can stack up if you get prescriptive ideas about what content is "supposed" to be where. One boss is not "one content" and having less bosses for a chapter isn't me getting scammed, though.
>>735021812Are you really going to pretend how the boss battles haven't always been half the appeal behind these games?
>>735021934Are you really going to pretend that a game is somehow obligated to provide a certain amount of what it's "known for" on a per level basis?
>>735002352>>735020410
>>735021649i think you're fuckin dumbreply to this with some inane bullshit please&thx
>>735021771Chapter 5 will give us the real Michael trust the plan.
>>735022034Lanino and Elnina exist too
I like that Darkner backstory is basically him being Sans but instead nobody laughed at his jokes and everyone pushed him away instead of loving the hell out of him.
>>735022174But that will just be a slap in the face to Mikefag. Mikefag wants Mike to be a midboss in chapter 3 otherwise Toby is LITERALLY RAPING HIM.
>>735008039Nobody has seen any of the other Knight candidates lurking around the sites of the Fountains either. If they were, this would have been mentioned. And they all have other roles and responsibilities limiting their freedom of movement. Carol can't just sneak out of City Hall and Rudy can't just leave the hospital. Dess does not have this problem.What has been hinted at, consistently, is that The Knight is hiding out of sight in these locations. Of course it would be absurd to run through town in broad daylight, but they don't need to do that. Hometown is in a densely forested area and The Knight has struck mostly on its edges.The school is on the edge of town, surrounded by forest on three sides, and seems to have not one but two unused classrooms The Knight could have hid out in and waited for Kris and Susie to enter the closet. The Church is not only on the edge of town but is the closest building in town to the Shelter, where The Knight is known to operate from. Even in broad daylight, it would be easy to stake it out and wait for the chance to act, just like Asgore does in Chapter 4. The Library is closer to the center, but only has the School to the right of it and there was a convenient traffic jam blocking off the rest of town at the time the Fountain was made (again, limiting the access of other Knight candidates who would be using the streets).But of course, this is just speculation. If The Knight was mainly hiding out in the woods, we would have gotten some hint of that, right?>* We're the infamous dog-burgulars, The Wet-Nose Bandits.>* (We were getting ready to sneak into that big house over the holidays...)>* When we were attacked from the shadows, by something MERCILESS!>* (Fearing for our lives, we all ran right into Officer Undyne's warm, loving arms...)
>>735008039That's why the Knight is Rudie.But for the size thing, I think they just mentioned the "a big person could fit" in chapter 2 so you wouldn't rule out basically 95% of the town as opposed to the Knight actually being tall.
>>735022269He should IMAGINE Mike in Chapter 3.
>>735022034Oo course I will, that's how franchises work.>>735022124noelle knight>>735022191they have no leitmotif and share the song with a common enemy, they're closer to miniboss status like Shyren than midboss like Mad Dummy>>735022174I didn't say shit about Mike>>735022253but I luv him
>>735015624>We're getting SCREAM'd. There are, at minimum, two knights. Carol is the light world knight. The dark world knight is darkner "Dess"That's contradicted by Queen identifying the person who created the Cyber World Fountain as "The Roaring Knight," the same person we fight in the Dark World in Chapter 3.>what if all of "the Knights" are "The Roaring Knight"well that's stupid
>>735022054I need her.
I have yet to see a Krisfag in these threads that isn't a porn addict
>>735022729Or, maybe Queen was just also fooled
>>735022795Him
>>735016781We need Kris for that, let's say 50/50Assisted ræp, if you will.
>>735022623>that's how franchises workYou really can't name a single franchise that occasionally has a vehicle level or something? That's kinda sad.
>>735022802That doesn't make sense because Queen knowing about "The Roaring Knight" at all is unaccountable schizoid information she has no good reason to know in the first placeThe Knight seemingly didn't even enter the Cyber World and Queen doesn't know what "The Roaring" is, yet she knows they were "The Roaring Knight" all the same
>>735022795Boring>>735022859Based
>>735022859Her.
>>735023016>That doesn't make sense because Queen knowing about "The Roaring Knight" at all is unaccountable schizoid information she has no good reason to know in the first placeMaybe she's heard of the incredibly scary monster thing running around
>>735022797Every human enjoyer loves human lewds.
>>735022623>I didn't say shit about MikeThe guy I replied to did, that's why I said that.
>>735008039The Knight could be a Darkner and have a Lightner accomplice ferry them around in the Light World.My personal theory is that the Knight is "Dustner" Dess being ferried around by her accomplice: Alvin. Yeah, I know Alvin Knight is a laughable theory this days but he could still be an accomplice. People say that the only Lightner strong enough to kidnap Undyne into the shelter is Asgore, but Alvin is the son of the "toughest monster ever lived" in Undertale, he could be hiding serious muscles under that robe.
>>735022797Aren't all players "krisfags" by default.
>>735022991I hate when a games swaps the gameplay like that UNLESS it's exceptionally well done. I can accept spinoffs changing the gameplay IF the franchise happens to already be very long OR it's exceptionally well done.Chapter 1's overworld bullet dodging is conceptually perfect and should have been the main gimmick across the entire game. Teacup rides are a waste of development time and there is only a single of them as an actual challenge. The Punch-out minigame is neat, goes well with the normal battle system and doesn't overstay it's welcome. TV Quest and Mantle are cute on each's first round but get old real fast. Tenna's physical challenges are neat but got shafted in many ways (Susiezilla was THE thing that got foreshadowed and it was reduced into bonus content you loose access to very fast). Chapter 4's climbing for once is a decent challenge and also doesn't displace the normal gameplay like TV Quest did.
>>735023705Kris was FORCED onto me and I want MY vessel back.
>>735023539I just don't expect Alvin to have plot relevance beyond his relationship with Gerson. Susie's already written the letter for him and he remains without a talk sprite; he has 2-3 more moments of minor plot significance left, max.
>>734985893
>>735023295I look forward to our inevitable confrontation. kris is obviously gonna lose but it'll be fun!
>>735023718>I hate when a games swaps the gameplay like that UNLESS it's exceptionally well done. I can accept spinoffs changing the gameplay IF the franchise happens to already be very long OR it's exceptionally well done.Yeah I think your view on how gameplay is "supposed to work" is overly narrow inherently and your inability to enjoy Deltarune is only a small slice of that.A spinoff isn't allowed to have different gameplay than the main series unless the main series is already long-running? Do you read this shit before you send it? Did you really think that position through in your head and find it logically consistent? Different gameplay is the POINT of a fucking spinoff!!>different gameplay is okay but only so long as it lasts like two minutes topsOh shut the fuck up. You're trying to make yourself look reasonable and only making your insane autist standards more apparent.
>>735023705Nah. Krisfags are people who like Kris. You don't need to always like character you play as.>>735023907Same. Very curious on how Toby will make a human boss battle. There's a lot of potential there, it could even be like a regular RPG instead of the typical bullet hell gameplay.
>>735023295>>735023783>>735023907The vessel is a non-diegetic rhetorical tool and you are a homosexual
>>735024309This, it was all just a dream Kris had before the game started. The soul is Kris. Always has been.
>>735023907Kris instant loss...
>>735023718>(Susiezilla was THE thing that got foreshadowed and it was reduced into bonus content you loose access to very fast).That's only because board 3 was cut, it was going to be the minigame that would've ended it all. I do think the cooking game and Susiezilla could've swapped places but I'm glad Toby at least didn't fully cut it.
>>735024175Anon, I've spent 7 fucking real life years waiting for another battle like Jevil.And in the end I couldn't even get another Spamton NEO (which wasn't as good as Jevil mechanically) out of this shit.
>>735024449No, the soul is you, the player. Kris took out his soul and gave it to the knight. That's why we're even in the game at all, Kris needs a soul to safely enter the dark world but he doesn't have his currently
>>735024309>The most important Gaster scene isn't canonAre you a Gaster denier by chance, too?
>>735024471The cooking minigame was the worst out of the 4 and could have easily been inserted into the TV World espace segment alongside the Cowboy one. I have no fucking clue why that wasn't done.
>>735024579Nope. It's Kris. If Kris didn't have a soul before the game started he would have died.
>>735024642I just assume it's because of Tenna's dialogue before it's played and its segment in Doom Board being kinda important.
>>735024286Kris is an oddball, but I like him.Does that make me a krisfag?, I also generally like the rest of the main and supporting cast.
>>735024589I didn't say it's not canon, I said it's not diegetic. It's a rhetorical device used to directly inform you that Kris is not your avatar and thus may be (and is later confirmed to be) not in line or even directly opposed to your intentions.
>>735024535Jevil was not special, you felt it was the perfect level of challenge because it matched your specific skill level at the time.
>>735024453Frisk and Chara would NEVER get done dirty like that btw.
>>735024724Kris acts off screen without a soul without issue. He acts like he's dying on screen without his soul at one point merely to trick us into thinking that he's helpless without a soul, so that you don't realize what he can do on his own.
>>735024790You're a retard if you genuinely believe that entire scene was just rethorical but I'm pretty sure you're just a schizo troll.
>>735024869Noelle points out how tired he sounded when he visited her in Snowgrave and he faceplants onto the counter after drinking chocolate milk.
>>735024786For you to be a Krisfag he needs to be your favorite character. If not, you aren't. That's usually how it works.
>>735022387>a literal skinwalker staking the woodsit fits
>>735024804To this day I still need a couple of tries to beat up Jevil. Meanwhile I beat Spamton NEO on my first try and beat him in the weird route it was like my third try.Jevil is also one of the rare bosses that value how you plan your turn actions and how you distribute gear across the party members, Gerson and ERAM ditched both of those things.
>>735025034>favorite characterthat's not a requirement. As a scholar on the matters of character autism, there's simply a threshold of how much you like the character that you need to pass before you are considered an Xfag. you can "fag" it up for multiple characters if you like them enough. Thus is the power of Autism, capital A.
>>735024932You're a retard if you think there's just a whole ass extra body somewhere in the game that's actually in the setting despite being completely irrelevant and not mentioned or implied to exist even once by even one character for over half the game.
>>735023828I don't know... he is just super suspicious somehow for someone without a talk sprite. We know that the church is likely one of the three holders of the shelter door's code and is involved in the town's conspiracy. There is still the connections between Alvin and the first two Dark Worlds (the classroom is Alvin's old classroom and the library is likely managed by a "Ms. Boom") and I don't believe Toby left them in by coincidence, but I do admit that they could be red herrings.And lastly, there is that strange talk about the hammer Alvin have with himself during Chapter 2. Isn't it kinda weird that the very next day after Alvin asked himself if it was right to do something to the hammer, the hammer became a Darkner in a Dark World, and someone (likely the Knight) attempted to give Gerson a Shadow Crystal to corrupt him?
>>735024535The Knight is a better fight than Jevil imo
Do we have absolute confirmation that the voice that was talking to spamton on the phone was gaster? And do we have confirmation that gaster resides within that deep Abyss where the Titans also sleep? Replaying chapter 2. Spamton seems scared someone is coming for him. And he needs our light. Determination + Soul = ???
>>735025161I genuinely don't understand how a gray homunculus can get an anon this mad but I look forward to your reaction when we pilot it in Chapter 6.
>>735024869ultra fucking dumb if true
>>735025329I'm not mad at the diegetic tool, I'm mad at you for wasting some of my neurons by writing retarded theories about how it's totally going to show up, even though the game already fucking tells us who the second player character is going to be (Susie)
>>735025241The Knight is Sans fangame bullshit tier.
>>735024309anon did you forget to take your smart pills this morning? you know how silly you get when you think our vessel isn't the true hero
>>735025273>Do we have absolute confirmation that the voice that was talking to spamton on the phone was gaster?No, the only clue is the garbage noise being associated with Gaster, but nowadays people think that's FRIEND bullshit>that gaster resides within that deep Abyss where the Titans also sleep?No, that's fanon. People speculate he's at the shelter because garbage noise plays there slowed down to 666%
>>735025273Spamton needs the soul because it will allow him to enter the light world without reverting into an object. Kris needs (you) for similar reasons, he would become a darkner if he entered the dark world without a soul. The voice on the phone's identity is completely unknown.
>>735025241Jevil made me feel nervous and desperate. Knight is just a survive X bullshit attacks in a row to win instantly where you had to plan and optimize damage output vs Jevil, more like playing a real fucking 4 niggas in a row game.
>>735025437>NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN’T THEORIZE ABOUT CHARACTERS I HATE!!! YOU CAN ONLY TALK ABOUT THINGS I LIKE!!!!Absolutely raped.>>735025491I'm almost sure it's just our local schizo that hates Undertale and the human characters now targeting the Vessel. It's obvious it's the first hero or at least it can play that role.
>>735024286it'll definitely be bullet hell still but it doesn't really matter too much. as long as I get this one fight and maybe a knight rematch I think toby will have the game in the bag
>>735025528>No, that's fanon. People speculate he's at the shelterWhere do you think the entrance to the Deep of this is? The origin of it all.
>>735025531why would kris turn into a darkner?why doesn't the soul change forms between light and dark worlds?
>>735025150I guess that's true but if you like certain types of characters you can be considered a fag for that group, too. Like doefags, humanfags or goatfags.
>>735025626"The vessel", could not possibly be The Cage, because it can't function as a cage. A cage contains something. Some empty human corpse that you would puppet as a meat mech is a vehicle, not a cage. That Kris has the will to oppose us and check our behavior is proof that he is the first hero.
>>735025329vessel stocks will skyrocket and all the art of the vessel doing anything from fighting to flirting will go crazy
>>735025720I concur with your statement fellow researcher in the ways of autism. Go now in peace
>>735015270this is why toby makes asgore a joke btw
>>735025719>why would kris turn into a darkner?Because without a soul he would be considered an "object", not a lightner. >why doesn't the soul change forms between light and dark worlds?Because the soul is the source of light, which is what allows the lightners to resist the influence of dark magic and retain their forms in the dark world.
>>735025646Main reason I say it might not be a bullet hell is that Kris can't use magic. Because he can't use magic he might not be capable of using a bullet hell pattern. I feel like it will be a regular RPG battle like the Underchomps in Super Paper Mario, a break from regular gameplay to make it weirder.https://youtu.be/VC_RWk3ZmzI
>>735025602>more like playing a real fucking 4 niggas in a row gameThat's what I've been trying to say this whole time.Back in 2018 Jevil gave me the hope that Deltarune would actually try to be a good turn based RPG after how poorly balanced Undertale was.Now I see that hope getting shafted again and again. The other day I found out how the game ignores the "you got stronger" increases you get from beating enemies and resets your stats back on each chapter. What a load of bullshit.
I actually love having to wrestle for control with Kris and hope we never have be in the vessel for very long.A flesh automaton you pilot is boring, a cage/partner in crime is interesting
>>735025769>A cage contains somethingWhich will be our soul. It's a cage of human soul and parts, which is literally what we see happening when it's made.>>735025797True. I can't see Toby Fox make the opening of his game irrelevant like schizo-kun wants it to be.
>>735025449You need to play more fangames.
>>735026037I can't see us fighting against Kris forever. At some point there will be a conclusion to that plotline even if we keep playing as Kris. I think having Kris be completely separated for us and thus we finally see how he truly is like is just more interesting and fits with Kris's inspirations too.
>>735026123I love Yellow, but the two major genocide bosses there suck with how punishing they are.
>>735025993>The other day I found out how the game ignores the "you got stronger" increases you get from beating enemies and resets your stats back on each chapter.This doesn't happen to Noelle btw which makes me believe she won't have a substantial role as a party member.
>>735025235In my view Alvin simply doesn't *feel* like someone who's secretly that involved with the deeper plot. Kris doesn't act strangely around him. He doesn't allude to any interest deeper than the prospect of hearing from his father one last time. Toby would have to course correct very abruptly for people to not cry "hack" at such a reveal, I imagine.As for the Ch4 shadow crystal, I think "[Third party] convinces Alvin to allow Gerson's resurrection -> the Knight delivers Gerson the crystal without Alvin's knowledge" is the most likely case.
>>735026336Yellow is unironically pretty easy compared to the typical nippon fangamehttps://youtu.be/BfmblrEkIbw
>>735026064You're missing the point. A cage does not merely HOLD something it CONTAINS it. Constrains it. Keeps it from acting freely. "The vessel" would be the exact opposite of this, allowing us to do whatever we wanted. It can't be a hero. On top of the fact that it would have no will. How can a "hero" have no mind?>I can't see Toby Fox make the opening of his game irrelevant It's not irrelevant. It's a rhetorical tool.
>>735026414>fangame fight ends in unavoidable deathIt's so tiresome.
>>735026449>On top of the fact that it would have no will.You literally give it a will right at the start of the game. That's why Gaster asks you shape its mind as your own. Instead of trolling in these threads because you hate every human that isn't Kris, you should play the game again.
>>735021174All that's missing is Noelle telling her the same thing
>>735025940gotcha gotcha. either way I'm sure it'll be good
>>735026339Another way for the game to disappoint me.I really wanted to see how she does against a major boss, Her magic moves feel more satisfying than either Ralsei or Susie. The only boss we get to try is Berdly.
>>735025273>the voice that was talking to spamton on the phone was gasterNo, but the "garbage noise" is the same noise ("mus_smile") that plays in the background of ENTRY #17https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpneLl7ohUsWhile this is arguably the most direct connection to Gaster possible, it should be pointed out that you're only hearing the background noise, not Gaster's actual talk sound which is distinctly heard in Entry #17.Context from Deltarune has led people to speculate that Gaster's experiment in Entry #17 has something to do with Dark Worlds or a Dark Fountain, so it's possible that this background noise is meant to indicate the sound/interference of using a phone in a Dark World (which would explain why the same noise plays on Kris's phone).Or, since it does seem to be possible for other characters to use a phone in the Dark World, this could perhaps be the sound of "the Depths/Abyss.">do we have confirmation that gaster resides within that deep Abyss where the Titans also sleep?This is also speculation, but it's been supported since Chapter 1. The background of the intro sequence where we create our vessel with Gaster is "IMAGE_DEPTHS." If Gaster physically exists in the world of Deltarune in any way - and there is reason to believe that he does, that the intro sequence was a real event contextualized in-game - then of course it would be in the deepest, darkest part of the Dark World.The Knight is connected to both Gaster and the Titans, adding more context that puts all three of them in "the Depths."
>>735026761Deltarune has been filled with fanservices Undertale fights from Mettaton NEO, Gerson and possibly Asgore and the six souls, so I'm pretty sure we're getting a fight against another human based on all the Chara fangames there are there, too.https://youtu.be/8JcabOdMQ5I
>>735026653>You literally give it a will right at the start of the game.If its "will" is just your own, it's not a cage. The game even outright tells us that if we do leave Kris, it will be to Susie, not some unnamed rhetorical device.
>>735026064I think he's a Kris self inserter or can't believe in the owner of his own creation. a shame.
>>735027035The whole point of the "vessel" scene is specifically to highlight how the game's 'player character' is not an avatar for you, the player. To assume that this means that the avatar is literally real within the context of the game is nonsense.
>>735026449making it rhetorical would be beyond stupid and make no sense because the vessel is still in the code
>>735027089Every single option you select for anything becomes part of your save forever.
>>735027035Yes, it's a literal schizo self-inserter that has been having melties for a month now over the other humans in Undertale and Deltarune because they aren't self-inserts to him.
>>735027187That's literally the exact opposite of what I said, you retard. YOU'RE the one arguing that the game has and will eventually present you with some empty avatar.
>>735027089It's dumb in general to think Toby Fox would make the opening of his game rethorical when Undertale's opening having a major twist was extremely relevant in its final boss.
>>735027004why not Deltarune fanservice in Deltarune and just give me a third Jevil-esque secret boss?
>>735027271it's not some empty avatar. it's the creation you made to interact with the world that's still in the code waiting for you
>>735027271I don't actually think the Vessel will be an empty avatar because obviously the choices you made will shape its will and mind as Gaster blatantly says. I look forward to your meltdown when we inevitably return to it in Chapter 6.
>>735027087>To assume that this means that the avatar is literally real within the context of the game is nonsense.NTA but just because the intro sequence serves as a framing device doesn't mean there's no continuity between it and the rest of the game. It's the opposite, really.I take the game at its word when it says the vessel was discarded and will have absolutely no relevance going forward, but that doesn't mean the fact that someone interfered in Gaster's experiment and forced us into Kris instead can't be part of the game's real narrative
>>735027087nahpeople have been continued to discuss the vessel since Ch1. it's frontloaded, so of course they wouldtoby isn't dumb enough to have not expected that and isn't oblivious enough to not deliver
It's strange how Toby's characters always attract schizos that ends up who end up hating them no matter who it is. How does he do it?
>>735027583>How does he do it?radiation mindset
>>735027345Undertale's opening features a character pretend to be your friend only to rug pull you and try to kill you. This character is the main antagonist of the game and you spend the entire time at odds, eventually kinda sorta reconciling at the end of the pacifist route. The intro of deltarune is a sequence in which you design a player avatar, only to get rugpulled and told "psych, you're actually inside of this dude named Kris, who is his own person and whose interests may be contrary to your own", and as the game progresses your goals as the player and Kris's goals as his own person become more and more contrary. Presumably the end will also feature some form of reconciliation between you and Kris, probably depending on what decisions you make and what route you're on.
>>735027482>I take the game at its word when it says the vessel was discarded I read into the thrash machine as an analogue of the vessel and after blowing up that thing has still only skipped a single chapter
>>735027087>To assume that this means that the avatar is literally real within the context of the game is nonsense.The Vessel was obviously actually made by Gaster and us even if it ends up never returning (somehow). It wasn't all le dream.
I'm getting Anti-Theoryfag fatigue.
>>735027512>people have been continued to discuss the vessel since Ch1.Yeah, people can be retarded for many years if they're stubborn enough. >toby isn't dumb enough to have not expected that and isn't oblivious enough to not deliverWhy would Toby make his story worse just to appease retarded faggots like this? >>735027583
>>735027681>Undertale's opening features a character pretend to be your friend only to rug pull you and try to kill you.Undertale's opening is actually a human falling into the underground, which is directly followed upon in the final battle when it reveals that human wasn't the one who you were following but instead Asriel’s friend. I know this involves the character you hate but don't memoryhole it.
>>735022269your strawman gets more schizophrenic by the daythe fear of mike grows in your heart ever since that newsletterwe won
>>735027823>Why would Toby make his story worse just to appease retarded faggots like this?>The character you made in the intro actually coming back will RAPE meYou continue to be the biggest bitch ITT
>>735027823make a real point
>>735027839That is not even fucking slightly the meat of the intro of undertale, it literally doesn't even show Frisk falling down. Also that's not a twist? Nobody ever thinks that Frisk and the first child are actually related in any way, other than Hypergod Asriel conflating the two briefly and Flowey sensing Chara waking up on the genocide route.
>>735027685Me too. The Thrash Machine is a very good parallel to the Vessel, down to the choices we made at it seemingly being meaningless but then revealed to be extremely important.
Sex with Krismas.
>>735027948The main narrative conflict of Deltarune is the conflict between the player and the main character, and the player moving from this character to an empty avatar with no independent will would be completely contrary to this premise. The game also implied that at some point the player might inhabit a different character in the story, and fucking tells us that this person is Susie, not some meat puppet in a lab somewhere.
>>735028019>Nobody ever thinks that Frisk and the first child are actually related in any way,Yes, people do think the fallen child we named as was the fallen child we played as. Any playthrough will show you that, but you know that already since you're just trolling.
>>735028106Human booba to end the thread.
>>735028119>Yes, people do think the fallen child we named as was the fallen child we played as.No, they don't. This is demonstrated immediately as neither Flowey nor Toriel recognize Frisk as Chara despite having known the latter for years.
im michaelsexual
>>735028316As someone actually named Michael can you please just call him Mike
>>735028289Moldy bait
>>735028214an excellent idea
>>735028375As someone actually named Spamton can you please just call him Big Shot
>>735028449moldbygg
>>735027948We can't play as the Vessel because it would get in the way of yummy shipping between Kris, Susie and Noelle of course, since I can't self-insert as the actual character I made because I lack imagination!
>>735028114you've posted some complete the mission tier bullshitKris and Susie and Noelle and grey vessel as player characters can all exist at different points in the story for unique comparative and contrastive meaning each time. we have two fucking routes to work with here.I revoke your white pen, never write
darkner tity to end the thread
>>735028465Classic image, shame this artist doesn't make Undertale art anymore.
>>735028562We're at chapter 4 broski. There's time left for a hop to Susie. It'll probably be Noelle instead on weird route. There is no narrative purpose to muh vessel, other than seething at Kris, and we already have a whole ass route to punish Kris for defying us.
>>735028562>you've posted some complete the mission tier bullshitThat's because yagibrap and CoL are two sides of the same coin in terms of autistic hatred against the human characters in Undertale/Deltarune
>>735028375Toby did it first.
>>735028562>I revoke your white pen, never writewhat if I piss on the snow huh
>>735027685I can't see the Vessel as having any real significance when you can skip Chapter 1 completely without touching it, or that Toby would expect anyone to give a shit or even remember what they picked in the five minute fake-out sequence almost a decade agoIf we somehow end up with a grey human again we'll be creating a new one
>>735028801Then you made the real Snowgravy
>>735028656narrative purpose of muh vessel could be something like the god guy from Devilman realizing how hollow he feels after devilman dies. in the conflict between player and main character finally retrieving our vessel could leave a player with a similar feeling. that's only one example. if you don't care for that, that's fine, but I don't want to see you pretend it doesn't exist
>>735028951That might work in a story between two people who just don't get along, not people with diametrically opposed goals
>>735028925There's default options for the Vessel already, which would solve all of your issues.>>735028951There's also the fact it would give us freedom of choice that Kris deliberately withheld from us.
>>735028925a vessel is still made for you if you start from chapter 2. There'd be no reason to do that if it wasn't important
>>735029043>There's also the fact it would give us freedom of choice that Kris deliberately withheld from us.Us not having that freedom is the whole point of the fucking game
>>735029116Just like how Undertale was kill or be killed! That was never challenged no matter what!
>>735026917There's an entire world we're not seeing. And I'm not just talking about an infinite void of Darkness. Until we reach another side. A space in between. Deepest Dark. Why does ralsei know about us and the prophecy? Hes scared of weird route. What happened to asriel? Forget about me.
>>735029265Overcoming a false dichotomy is a challenge. What's the challenge in ignoring a restriction?
>>735029451>Why does ralsei know about us and the prophecy?Cause he's Kris's imaginary friend and Kris knows about the prophecy
>>735029043>There's default options for the VesselAnd you didn't choose them, so they have no significance to you. What's the point?>>735029091>There'd be no reason to do that if it wasn't importantThere's a default choice for every choice and possibility. Most of them aren't important.When you make a new file you only need to give Your Own Name. Not a name for your vessel or anything else.
>>735029471That's why we are only playing as the Vessel in the end of the game, as we overcome the dichotomy. We overcome the restriction.
