How do we fix fighting games? It just feels like the genre has become stale. No one is excited for the new Virtua Fighter or Soul Calibur or DOA. It's just going to be more of the same shit. Samey gameplay though probably downgraded from the previous games, more realistic visuals and other slop like that, pandering to soulless e-sports trash. SF6 adding mediocre characters, Fatal Fury is adding some cool characters in the future but the base roster is too mid to care. Tekken is dead. Mortal Kombat ain't happening for awhile.How do we save this genre from just being more of the same slop? Should there be massive visual and gameplay changes for some of these games in the future? What the next big ambitious thing these companies will try to do with these games?
Hear me out. >2D Mortal Kombat. More traditional fighting game inputs but still simple enough to still appeal to their audience. Faster gameplay with actual good animations for once. Still bloody and has Fatalities but cartoonish and less realistic so it doesn't get banned in other countries..... Then maybe we can finally see Scorpion in Street Fighter 7.
in general, games should do large rosters again. If the dev time is going to be long anyway, might as well fit as many characters in and worry about balance later instead of trying to make a triple A product with features that cater to everyone + e-sportshere's how to bring back MvC>rollback netcode>6 player 3v3 co-op mode>go ham on comic book artstyle. do portraits on hypers again and make hurtsparks have shredded paper glide down>if there's a story mode, make it like fighting game Project X Zone>hueg roster size>3v3 with both active tag (happy birthday risk) and assists (no happy birthday risk but assist can take a hit of damage before leaving the screen)>button layout MvC2 style>HP+HK does universal launcher>MvCI counter tags>MvC1 Duo Team Attack (variable cross) and new Trio Team Attack that works in co-op>5 bars>1 bar = level 1 hypers or snapback>2 bar = level 2 hypers, counter tag or DTA>3 bar = level 3 hyper or TTA>UMvC3 sized stages so lockdown isn't as strong as Infinite>fully narrated tutorial mode>beating arcade mode with 3 related characters unlocks artwork of them
You can't besides returning to unplayable online so people have to go outside to play them which filters the troons from playing it.
I'm just going to say shit and I don't even care if I'm right.The first problem is that fighting games suck and fuckin Smash is infinitely more fun to play than any fighting game everif you go between games you already know, you CANNOT tell me there is something more satisfying than landing a Captain Falcon knee combo to finish a stockI've played Tekken, I've played Street Fighter, I've played Soul CaliburThe equivalent in other fighting games just doesn't existI'm not even saying Smash is that good, that's just simply how bad fighting games areYou can take a stock early as fuck with some ball in mouth dunking, there's no equivalent in fightan, and in fact, there's nothing that makes a fighting game player hate their life more than a match they lost that took 30 seconds while in Smash someone watching their stocks deplete in five seconds understands the taste of scrotum and knows they stink
Tekken vs Virtua Fighter
>>734988256There’s no problem to fix. Just play 3S.
>>734989396It's interesting to see Shinkiro mimic the specific design choices of Todd Macfarlane's Spider-Man for that art. You would think when drawing promo art for a video game, you'd think he'd just draw whatever his vision of Spider-Man would look like, but instead he made the decision to make him look like someone else's particular design.
>>734988256You can't "fix" them, they're designed to be played in person and they're connected to the arcade era. You have likely never really experienced playing a fighting game..Basically it's a dead and unsalvageable genre that can't understand to simply go back to mvc2
>>734991061That came has a tiny roster and most of them aren't classic characters.
>>734988256I'm excited for Alex in SF6 even if I completely suck at this game and have a 90% loss ratio
>>734991126I like the characters it has, only problem I really have with it is that Chun is annoying but she’s rare to see on Fightcade and she’s still manageable against most of her players. But Alpha 3 is fairly active if you want a big roster. Surprisingly not many people in the lobby use V ism either. I’ve been getting started on it myself lately.
>>734988256>New soul caliberwhat?
>>734991087wasn't mcfarlane the GOAT of dynamic poses for Spidey though so his work inspired everyone after?
>>734988256Mormons will never enjoy fighting games because in fighting games you can’t blame a teammate for your loss.
ban trannys from the scene. its the only way to save it
>>734991565that's why there's should be teammate queue for tagkino games
>>734990897Rather have Fighters Megamix 2: DOA x Tekken x VF
>>734991450It's not about the posing though, I'm referring to the design itself, specifically the large angular looking eyes and the facial definition that is visible even when wearing a mask. Those are McFarlane traits. As for dynamic poses, he was known for that but that's not relevant to what I was saying.
>>734992551>DOA absolute waste of slots. That franchise does not have cool memorable characters that people would be excited to play as. Only gooner shit.
>>734992875But I want silly shit like Perfect Electrics into a DOA Danger Zone
>>734992831oh gotcha. Well that design was what Bengus used for MSH so I think Shinkiro just followed what was already in the collection but the enlarged eyes are nicer looking IMO and stand out more than if the classic tiny eyes were used
>>734991103>simply go back to mvc2MvC2 is a busted mess. A FUN busted mess but busted all the same.
anyone down for some 3s on fightcade? or cvs2 (capcom fighting collection ideally but fightcade if u dont have it)or i dunno, mvc2? (again, mvc collection if u have it otherwise fightcade if u dont)
>>734991206you're doing alright anon as long as you have fun and play to learn and get the noggin joggin rather than treat wins and losses like black and white
>>734993893As long as I'm able to do cool moves in the match I'll be happy, the only thing that gets me pissed is the dailies/weeklies the game throws at me, it's solely battle hub quests and everyone on the battlehub is a 500 hour+ beast that rapes me, wish the game would stop the crap.
>>734988256>Just make em simple like 3rd strike without any extra frive rush counter bullshit>Add a actual single player story mode where you also learn all the fundamentals >No season pass, all characters day1>Crossplay is a must>Stop chasing steam counts and sales number because fighting games are not for mass appeal
Stop catering to balance niggers. Make the game as unbalanced as possible. Autistics will find ways to make it tourney ready.
>>734990897>Tekken characters with Ring OutsFights would be VERY fast with certain characters.
>>734994264>game dies in 2 weeks
any alpha 2 players here? I've been getting back into it recently.
>>734993823Are you NA? I'll do cvs2 over fightcade if the offer is still up.
>>734994114>the only thing that gets me pissed is the dailies/weeklies the game throws at me, it's solely battle hub quests and everyone on the battlehub is a 500 hour+ beast that rapes me, wish the game would stop the crap.sounds annoying. i don't fucks with the dailies and the game pretty much tosses drive tickets at you when a character birthday happens so no pressure in always completing them
>>734994360If a game has 300player than its doing well500+ means its very popular
>>734994461NA west coastlemme just do a button check then I'll type "sneed" in the lobbyalso im kinda a scrub so don't be surprised if i cant roll cancel
>>734994505I'm just interested in the Alex items in the battle pass, drive tickets are pretty worthless
>>734988256Stop catering to beginners, they'll never stop lowering the bar.
>>734994572It's np, idk how to roll cancel either, lol. I just want someone to play with
>>734994415My personal favorite Street Fighter. Favorite stages & music in the series.
Sahara is legit
just do more Smash Bros.
>>734995212i'd like for non-Smash games to experiment with analog controls
just waiting for blue mary in fatal fury
KoFXI has a cool challenge mode that could probably be extrapolated into a teaching tool with some tweaked presentation of it. I haven't played much world tour in 6 so I don't know how much of it is comprised of unique objectives or if it's just varying conditions of "KO the other person"
>>734991206keep at it bro.
>>734988256>no one cares about the new Soul Cal Pic related is how you save Soul Calibur. Revitalize the weapons based fighter by making every hit matter. Make it Buddy blade.The game doesn’t need to be realistic, gritty or serious. But the combat needs to feel tense, every second of a match should feel like your on a razors edge of life or death. Hits to specif body parts should disable limbs, changing the properties of moves and character mobility. The tempo should be dynamic, transition from tense to chaotic in an instant and rounds quick. Multiplayer / / pve team battle modes (3v3, 4v4 etc) with rougelike elements for gear, weapons or items could breathe new life into a tired ranked ladder climbing. And of course plenty of tasteful outfits for the gooner whales to profit from. Soul calibur needs new blood and it’s one of the few casual enough fighters to succeed with a wide audience if handled correctly
>>734988256Trust in kusoge anime fighters again like what happened in the 2010s
Make good single player again, I'm sick of arcade mode, training, and online being basically the only things to do. That's the bare bones.
>Be SNK>Make a great game (SamSho)>Launch it on meme platform>DOA>Years passed>Make a great game again (COTW)>Launch it with offensive collab>DOAWhy are they like this
>>734988256The biggest FG prize is won most recently by a Fortnite zoomerThe absolute fucking state
>>734991565>because in fighting games you can’t blame a teammate for your lossThis is one of the the lowest IQ takes that somehow regularly gets repeated like it's common knowledge.
>>734996707Why is that bad, it's seems good that the genre is attracting young people and new fans
>>734996637>offensive collabLet's be real, CotW has bigger problems than a fucking roster issue about meme guest characters. Core gameplay issues and a shitty network mode didn't help it.That and overselling itself with its marketing campaign when SNK had been basically invisible for the past 20 years.
>>734996494I agree feel like the issue is a catch 22. The genre is niche, devs have limited resources and making compelling single player content is expensive. Thus they focus on delivering a very polished and balanced competitive game to hook sweats, often overtuning until the fun is sucked out. But without compelling single player content, the niche never grows
>>734996713NTA but I've regrettably played MOBAs for years and also got a lot of friends and acquaintences into it but yes, they fucking LOVE blaming everything else. Sure they'll laugh at their own lack of skill but they'll be incredibly quick to just call a game stupid and get upset if they can't figure things out immediately. I watched some acquaintances of mine struggle with League of Legends against bots and they REFUSE to ever fight other people.
>>734994572Ggs anon. The hardest part about Cvs2 is sticking with a team, because i like all of the characters too much, lol. Your Sagat is legit
>>734996437Can't trust eighting rn after Nen Impact sorry. Maybe French Bread but no news from them.
>>734996962FB is hiring a new battle planner/head programmer for a project so they HAVE to be getting ready for something in the tank. UNI will most likely continue getting support too.The only thing off the table for sure is a new update to Melty Blood since Nasu hasn't released the other 2/3rds of Tsuki Re.
>>734996958it was more sagat just carrying my dumb ass, lol. his buttons are obscenely goodbut yeah, ggs. really funny stuff happened in a lot of those setscfc2 is like 20 bux on a keysite if u every wanna get it. peeps are always up at just about any hour and it runs so much better than fightcade
>>734994761I certainly like it more than Alpha 3, im not sure why but that game feels much shittier to play in comparison, maybe because it feels a lot faster. Don't care for the different ism's much either, and how they changed custom combos and split up special moves between different ism's. The roster is pretty nice though, i wish characters like Cody and Vega (and Fei Long and T.Hawk from Upper) were in Alpha 2
>>734997028Now that's cool. Hopefully they still doing 2D sprites too and actually update their graphics. Felt like they've been using the same graphics since 2012 and even used on Dengeki Bunko and Type Lumina. That being said, I felt like there will be more news on AWT finals next week since arcsys is still their publisher.
>>734997539One can only hope that AWT is where they get to announce something. Having to wait until EVO would be a drag, but it's at least in June.I wouldn't mind UNI2 getting rerelease with its DLC characters, a promise of another set of DLC characters, a story mode, and shake off the burden of its horrendous initial release (on PC).
>>734996801>they fucking LOVE blaming everything else>they'll be incredibly quick to just call a game stupid and get upset if they can't figure things out immediately>they REFUSE to ever fight other peoplePeople do that with fighting games too though. That's part of the point. People who want to blame something and make excuses will do it. They don't need teammates. Like fighting games are the genre that gave us scrub quotes. There's countless memes, jokes, and genuine real life examples for fighting games about people coping over losing instead of owning it, even some pro players are notorious for it. But somehow FG players find a way to suck their own dicks and act like it's a genre for zen masters despite that.Meanwhile I've played team games with people that literally struggled to get any kills and were routinely on the bottom of the scoreboard, with no possible way to blame anybody, that were happy to keep queuing. I've heard players in CS fall over each other trying to take blame for a round loss. I've seen people lose 1v3 clutches and immediately acknowledge out how they fucked up and sincerely say it was their bad. It's not even an uncommon thing.
>>73499571990% chance it's just going to be KOFXV Mary, but I would love it if they actually brought back RB2 Mary with her install.
>>734988256There needs to be an entry point game for the genre the same way Doom or Half Life is seen as an entry point game for FPS. The basic controls of your average 2d fighting game are too different from pretty much everything else. That or a better way to retain new players so they can keep playing with each other. The lifecycle of this genre is that new players join, most lose interest, then any newer players just leave since online is filled with nothing but vets who've played this genre for decades and single player is too limited.
>>734997878SF6 and Strive have seemingly reached a far wider group of people than any of the titles in the series before it. Now they just need to want to branch out.
>>734997878the entry point game is usually whatever is really popular for the specific type of fighting game you want to playdo you want a fighting game to play thats well liked by everyone? street fighterdo you want a 3d fighting game? tekkendo you want an anime fighting game with a bunch of silly shit? guilty gearmost people aren't going to stick with fighting games long if they dont really care about them or only check in when the new season starts or dlc is out i think thats kind of just the reality
>>734994415I played the absolute shit out of this game in the arcades back in the 90's. So fun.
>>734988256>No one is excited for the new Virtua Fighter or Soul Calibur or DOAYou're fucking retarded
Street Fighter 6 killed fighting games. You don't get new players with diluted experiences.
>>734988736>Still bloody and has Fatalities but cartoonish and less realistic so it doesn't get banned in other countries.....NRS should start a Japan branch and hire Harada to take care of marketing to Asian countries
>>734991565Mormons also don't believe in caffeine.
>>734988256The only way I can be excited for DOA and SC is if they're reboots and they dial back on the shitty system mechanics that don't belong in 3D fighters.
>>735002039SC is already a shitty reboot. DOA7 doesn't seem to be a reboot considering DOA6 and NG4 is still the same timeline.
>>734988256>How do we fix fighting games?Play indie fighting games.
>>734988256It's a dead genre dominated by whiny autists. Even if you try to fix it, someone is going to min-max the game and complain if they don't get their way.
>>735002039>casual retard too dumb to learn a games mechanicskek
>>734988256>It just feels like the genre has become stalePeople still play CS:GO and LoL/Dota despite these games being even more stale.>No one is excited for the new Virtua Fighter or Soul Calibur or DOAI am.>Samey gameplay <...> more realistic visuals and other slop like thatWhat's so bad about it? I don't want to play the same game for 20 years; people like new ideas, new stages, characters, stories, and animations. I wouldn't mind if, say, Arcana Heart 4 come out and it's the same game with a couple of new characters, new stages and slightly tweaked moveset/balance. At least people would see "4" in it's title and give it a try.>How do we fix fighting games?They need to be fun and cool. Apparently they also need to make players come back compulsively, so why not make shop system better? Like if you win a match you get 5 coins, and a piece of customization item costs 100 coins? Other games do that so...And last but not least, Yuri Sakazaki is a perfect sisterwife and a miracle of human creation.
>>734991061this
>>735003578>people like new characters, storiesTell that to the faggots who hates newcomers, wants a certain characters to be back despite in the story is fucking dead/retired or has been in the franchise for multiple games, and doesn't accept the new protagonist and the new antagonist. Istg there's like less new original characters now and more fucking legacy character DLCs.
>>735003181Both DOA6 and SCVI are notorious for having new mechanics no one likes.
God why are you fighting game players so pants on head retarded? All your ideas are terrible and your shitty little egos are making them worse
>>734991565for me it's the complete oppositeI like fighting games because I have social anxiety and there's no teammates to blame ME if we lose
>>734988256We don't, just keep making more doujin kusoge fighters for ppl to enjoy for like a month and we can continue eating good
>>735002435this isnt a fighting game
>>734988256FGC needs to be burned down for fighting games to be fixed because taking it up the ass from companies is some kind of merit badge in the current community. That's why it took a pandemic to happen before fighting games got stable netcode which fps and rts figured it out in the 90s
I don't see why we don't just include tastefully sexualised erotica of healthy and vital young white womenA degree of lesbianism would be welcome and titillating too. Just consider what the straight white heterosexual gaze would be nourished by and provide that
>>734988256>How do we fix fighting games?Bring back Variable Geo.
>>734988256You can't save fighting games because the genre is too boringIt's a 1v1 game in a flat and small 2D stageIt will never capture the random fun and excitement of old FPS servers with big maps and a bunch of people just having fun (modern 5v5 FPS are gay and retarded and probably worse than fighting games though, pic related)Even racing games are more fun than fighting gamesFighting games are carried by their artstyle and music, take those away and you realize how boring the genre is. It's also why indie fighters struggle since they don't have money for that.
>>735005027Of course it is>>735005126This shit is still in development 7.5 years later wtf
>>735005681So your solution is to make more games like Power Stone? I can get behind that.
>>734988256SF6 was a HUGE success in Japan so capcom won't change anything.
>>735005846>Of course it isNo it isnt
>>735005913>JapanYeah it shows. Shitty looking Poojeet characters , dogshit gameplay. Performative game, no wonder Hindus like it so much!
>>735006308a single fighting game that everyone plays is literally what the western fgc wantedlap that shit up you hypocrite
>>735006476I don't know who this western fgc is, but it's not me. But also nobody in my local scene plays sf6 anyway.
>>735006185What?
>>735006476No it isn’t, literally nobody wanted that.
>>735005884Power Stone is fundamentally broken with its verticality
They should be focusing on anime and live action films, kids will watch them and they'll want to try the game.
>>735008664>animemiss me with that gay shit
sf6 killed fighting games.
>>734996115There was that new sword fighting game that plays like bushido blade. Hellish quart? Or something. But yeah soul calibur could try something new at this point.
>>734996115lolno bushido blade was a fucking garbage casual masher
>>735008664There's already several licensed fighting games coming out this year You'll have to wait and see
>>735005027why
>>734988256They pretty much perfected the genre with sf4 and super smash melee, all they keep doing is making shitty games now, so im not really interested in the genre. Also don't forget we already have soul calibur 2, and 3. What more do you want from the genre?
Any advice for Ken in 3rd strike?
>>734988256You need to put an end to esports so devs design games that are fun to play rather than games that are convenient for spectators and people who play them as a job. Then you go back to shitty online so devs stop slowing down gameplay with it in mind, but this one is never happening.Best thing you can do is look at old games and play them with your friends. There's plenty available there between fightcade and a bunch of the sprite-era anime fighters getting rollback.
>>735003181Hello doomer.
Controversial opinion but I think fighting games are fun actually
>>735016340You are the most sensible anon. Here have a hug.
>>735005126>>735005846Name?
>>734988256We just need a fighting game where every character is a waifu and extremely broken to the point of it being a legendary kusoge; just think.
>>735016978Nevermind found out
>>735016340They're loads of fun, but party games like soive aren't.
>>734988256nothing to save skill floor is too much for most gamers not even normies.only true casual fighter is smash
>>734988256>No one is excited for the new Virtua Fighter or Soul Calibur or DOA.That's wrong tho??
>>734992875Gooner kino IS cool memorable characters. Kill yourself, tranny.
>>734988256No one is excited for VF6 because the previous game is two decades old, which means they have essentially skipped over two generations of new gamers. I'm sure the 40 year old Japanese salarymen will go crazy for it.
>>735018063seriously why the fuck did they do that? god damn SEGA is so fucking retarded. same thing happened with Fatal Fury going on a 24 year hiatus or w/e.
