What was wrong with Zelda fans back then?
>>735007239They were bitching that they didn’t get the tech demo game from spaceworld 2000. That’s it really. If it wasn’t for that, the game would’ve been received better initially instead of the hate it got at first. But then they made TP in response to the backlash. So it seems to be a conflict of Japanese vs western game design at the time.
>>735007715>hey were bitching that they didn’t get the tech demo game from spaceworld 2000.same thing happened with BOTW and the WiiU tech demo
>>735007239>graphics that would have been obsolete 6 months later>timeless style
>>735007862damn that is what zelda looks like?
>>735007715Nah, people found that Wind Waker was a major step down in game design too.
>>735008708Wind Waker is easily the best of the OOT ish Zelda games it was purely gwafix kids throwing a shitfit because OOT attracted the protoform of those kids who would go on to gush about horse ball physics in RDR2
>>7350072392000's edge was in and Nintendo was getting labeled hard as a "kiddy" company / console. So the switch up of the Spaceworld demo and the WW reveal reinforced that stereotype which gave ammo to the Nintendo-haters and scorned the Nintendo-faithful that were interested in some of the new 'grittier' games coming out.
>>735007239I personally really liked the twilight princess art style as a kid, so I was put off by the toon style when it released
>>735008708Most people ive met that had issues with WW complain they hated the graphics first and foremost or that they never tried it in the first place because they didnt like the way it looked.
>>735007239>Nintendo decided to make the most revolutionary console game of the fifth generation>they follow it up by half assing a rushed game that doesn't try to do anything innovativewhat the FUCK was the Gamecube, god damn lost their minds there
>>735011090>>735011334WW is objectively ugly as sin
Wind Waker was like 10 bucks to preorder at walmart and they gave you Zelda Master Quest on the spot.I did that just to get Master Quest and never went back for WW.
>>735011504This nigga is fucking blind.
>>735007862Can't believe it's been over a decade since link wore green in new mainline titles
>>735014520no he right, atrocious looking game
>Tech demo Keyword, a demonstration of the technology of the console, not an actual display of a game being played. Wind Waker's main problem was that it was rushed, it needed another year of development to add more stuff.
Why does no one ever talk about how WW has Genndy vibes? Everyone always says it looks "anime". I'm sorry but it looks way more like Samurai Jack than any anime.
>>735007239Boomer here. You really had to be there at the time. Ocarina of Time and later Majora's Mask were huge. Cultural phenomenons you could say. The very first Zelda where it felt "real" like you were exploring a real world. The graphics were shitty and blocky but we didn't care. People made entire personal websites to theorycraft about the game (websites were a thing people made before everyone just fucked off to discord and reddit). Then a tech demo for the Gamecube comes out and it shows Link and Ganondorf fighting with a graphical fidelity that was over twice as good as what we were used to for years, like the "realism" dial was turned up to 11. It felt like all the fanfics and fan theories from the websites people were obsessing over come to life. Finally we were getting a game that expressed the grand ideas everyone had about the franchise. Then Wind Waker is released and Link looks like a Powerpuff girl and everyone fucking hated it. In retrospect Wind Waker was a great game, but releasing it after the spaceworld demo was such a horrible decision.
>>735007862To be honest the wii u tech had WAY MORE soul than the gamecube demo! I actually legitimately want that demo to be a game.
>>735015451>the grand ideas everyone had about the franchiseThey were just playing swords in a featureless room.
>>735015571>You really had to be there at the time
>>735015690Okay so why even bothering typing anything after that then?
>>735007239tbf causing midna as an apology was worth it
>>735007239You need to understand the context of the times. MGS2 was at the time the most anticipated game ever due to showcasing a level of technical and graphical leap towards realism unseen at the time. The PSX/N64 to PS2/GC leap is perhaps the most absurd ever graphically. GC didn't really have a killer game focused on showcasing that level of newfound realism. With hindsight it's clear that Mario Sunshine and Wind Waker aged better graphically than 95% of the games of that generation, but at the time and culturally it wasn't the style that western games were looking for. You have to remember that we were full swing into the early 2000s which would lead to the brown and bloom edgy spike hair military era.
>>735015824We are on a website where people try to communicate information to each other via text.
>>735015012G8 b8 m8
>>735015571Everyone assumed it would be OoT3 with better graphics
>>735007862I mean at least the tech demo looked like it would be a zelda game instead of the shit we got.
>>735007239I still remember the first time I saw the WW trailer. It was in the computer lab in school, and I thought the swirly dust clouds and similar effects looked incredibly impressive. Thankfully for me I guess, I was neither a long-time Zelda fan (had only played ALttP on ZSNES) nor had I seen the tech demo, so I didn't really have any preconceived notions about it.
>>735015451>tendies are mentally illSounds about right
The outlash was justified. Wind Waker is a confused game that was misguided into thinking its style would be timeless. But within its own generation it has aged worse than Sunshine, pikmin, The Jak, Sly, and Ratchet trilogy, Kingdom hearts 1+2 and a plethora of other "toony" games. Even last gen games such as banjo and especially conker manage to feel more lush and detailed. All the textures in WW are flat, and the models are amateurish characatures. There was no reason for such a dramatic shift, especially when its implied to be a follow up to the n64 entries. Its just an inate clash that was done purely out of misgueded pretensions surrounding the talking point of "games aging". During the one console generation where Nintendo was trying to actually compete graphically. If you genuinely enjoy having your eyes melted by the unending single hue of blue that is WW's ocean, your a nonce.Nintendo thought muh kiddyness was the issue and overcorrected with TP, but SC2 Link is right fucking there. A third party dev was doing their golden boy more justice than they were. Thats what the people actually wanted, and it shows because the GC version of SC2 is THE version of that game because of him. And its still a vibrant gorgeous game. Only the hair physics and facial animations really age it any. Unironically what was there problem. Stupid retard japs, and they wonder why they got their asses spread that gen.
>>735016269BotW was the best 3D Zelda game and I will never pretend otherwise. Alttp still clears it.
>>735016424Truth nuke
>>735016424>wind waker believed some random bullshit youtubers talk aboutKys troon bot
>>735015451Also at the time there was a growing demand for realistic graphics and mature games, and WW was basically a slap in the face for that audience.>everyone fucking hated itI think the hatred is kind of overstated. Definitely one of the more divisive Zelda games, but there were tons of people who loved it too.
>>735007239before release>what the fuck this shit looks like its for toddlersafter release>what the fuck this shit is for toddlers and has half the content of its predecessor (Oot)5 years later>well it's not as good as Oot but it's still alright compared to what came after10 years later>WW is actually the best in the series15 years later>what the fuck this game ruined the series
>>735015354Where do you think Genndy got his style from?
>>735008115Rosalina lookalikes and her futa u-bike
>>735017185Bro...You're blowing my fucking mind.
>>735016907I remember there was a nigga on here who said that Yunobo pledging to serve Hyrule was a slap in the face to him. He didn't have any reason though.
>>735017397Genndy and all the other guys who worked on CN's cartoons were neck-deep in anime, way before Toonami was even conceived. If you were into animation at that time, you were going to get exposed to anime, entry-level and hardcore stuff alike.
>>735011334>>735011090My problem with WW was the fucking sea. Sailing is FUCKING BORING. Actual gameplay was fine, when we got some.
>>735015851Actually logically she still could have existed. Them making Link a wolf had nothing to do with WW reception. In fact there's no reason they couldn't have done that in a WW2. Midna was made because they thought the player wouldn't want to stare at a wolf's ass half the game. If they had made an emo looking WW sequel with Link as a wolf, it could have had Midna and it could have potentially been kino. FSA proved the style can look good emo.
Aonuma doesn't get enough credit for getting what Zelda actually is. It's fundamentally a series about being a little kid and having fantasy fairy tale adventures. He nailed that on his first try.Le mature Zelda would have made edgy 13 year olds happy for about five minutes in 2003, and then the series would have been made irrelevant by Elder Scrolls and Dark Souls anyway.
>>735017961This
>>735015354He's specifically cited the old anime Little Prince and the Eight-Headed Dragon as the main influence for Samurai Jack, and though I don't think there's ever been any official mentions of it in relation to Wind Waker, the style is undoubtedly reminiscent.
>>735015451This. OoT and MM were tonally serious games. MM had some more goofy stuff in it, but that's undercut by the dire setting and atmosphere, so people were still ok with it. They had a western audience who had an image of what Zelda game should be, and they absolutely pulled the rug out on them with WW which was entirely playing to the young japanese audience with the aesthetics and tone fully embracing japanese comedy. The western audience at the time wanted the series to grow up with them and instead it got younger.
>>735007239i remember the disappointmentyou must understand that we didn't know at the time that nintendo had decided to not keep up with technology
>>735008053>Obsolete 6 months later The fuck did you just say about my waif!?
>>735007862You'd think they'd learn from their mistake the first time.
>>735008053>instead of being top of the line for 6 months>they went with forever ugly right from releaseI will never understand this.
>>735017961Zelda would be bigger if they had kept a gritty realism to its stylings. This is evident in that TP and Botw/Totk are the most popular and best selling entries. They're the most appealing.
>>735019221BotW isn't remotely gritty. it's basically the Wind Waker aesthetic mixed with Princess Mononoke. TP is a game everyone had because it was a Wii launch title. Hardly fair.
>>735011090>Wind Waker is easily the best of the OOT ish Zelda gamesYou don't actually believe this.>Basic world navigation sucks dick>dungeons were the weakest of the 3D games until BotW came along>the aggressive railroading/plot-progression gating and blatant filler busywork that plagued TP and SS got its start here to fill in the gaps of its rushed developmentWind Waker was the start of the rot that nearly killed the series with SS due to Aonuma not having a good grasp of Zelda design beyond dungeons, which led to him/Nintendo deciding to just throw everything out from the series and pander to Ubithesda open world consumers instead to keep the IP alive. The only reason you like Wind Waker the most is the gwafix, ironically.
WW needed the 3 cut dungeons.Parrying also sucked
>>735015451Bitch please, it wasn't even better than Mystical Ninja starring Goemon.
>>735019221Because gaming is a lot more mainstream and there are more consumers in general. It's like saying some movie released in 2025 is clearly more popular because it made more money
>>735019483>BotW isn't remotely gritty.Shit, you can't really believe that can you. Between more realistic proportions given to the characters, the setting of an apocalyptic event that hyrule is building back from, and the traumatizing cutscenes.>TP is a game everyone had because it was a Wii launch title. Hardly fair.Oh, you're just taking the piss. "the best selling title doesn't count because everyone bought the console and bought the game" like what the fuck are you thinking.
Wind Waker came out the summer I stayed home alone for the first time while my parents went on vacation. I was sailing the seas until I almost fainted from forgetting to eat. Good times.
>>735019603You too, the fuck are you on about. Gamers at large desire realism, grit, they want more mature games with darker undertones. They do not like Wind Waker.
>>735018771WW is also a "tonally serious" game.It's literally just a normal Zelda game. There's high stakes, and an evil lord trying to take over the world, and then there's goofy side characters who exist on the margins. OOT is exactly like that. So is TP.
Remember when people thought totk was gonna be darker like majora's mask? That was funny.
>>735007239The WW art style was very badly timed with the gamecube's tech demo. People wanted OoT 2: HD Edition. But honestly WW even without that issue still isn't very good. It has tons of filler. Navigating the seas is even more boring than exploring the emptiest and most desolate version of Hyrule Field on foot (which is TP's field lmao). The triforce hunt was pure filler, absolute cancer. The dungeons were also kind of bad, much worse than OoT/MM/TP dungeons.The WW remaster improved the filler problems a lot, but it's still a mid game.
>>735019675Bro, the fucking Koroks and the Rito from Wind Waker are in BotW, and they look exactly the same. BotW is like secretly Wind Waker 2, and no one realises.>muh post apocalyptic settingAlso literally Wind Waker. Did you forget the part where the gods flooded the world, and most of the people are dead? Where did the Gorons go in WW? There's like two of them. They're dead, man.
>>735019746I'm on about the argument you made, just pointing out it's incredibly flawed. I said nothing about wind waker
>>735019771Their idea of making it "darker" was the Depths being LITERALLY dark and requiring light sources to navigate.
>>735019675I think the Wii is flat out Nintendo's best performing console, at least before the Switch. By that logic, TP should be even more popular, but it isn't really. It has a cult fanbase of people who played it as their first Zelda, and everyone else is fighting over whether OOT or BotW is the best Zelda ever.
>>735019752This, visuals aside Wind Waker was very straightforward and wasn't a tongue-in-cheek parody and that is actually saying something, because there was always the opportunity to go full on parody with Wind Waker, yet it doesn't do that. I'd even argue that later Zelda games did references and parodies more than Wind Waker did in spite of its visuals.
>>735019952There's no feeling or vibe of an apocalypse in WW, it's just Microsoft Paint blue bucket fill.
>>735020359You go under the sea and visit the dead kingdom of Hyrule.
>>735020108Take a step outside the echo chambers, most people love TP the most. Nobody is arguing Oot is the best Zelda game outside the internet in bubbles.
>>735020412It's literally perfectly preserved frozen in time.
>>735020421"most people" being you, and your two friends who got a Wii for Christmas when you were impressionable.
>>735019952>The Rito from wind waker look exactly the same in BotWlol, lmao even
>>735020229BotW has a major character who is a 200 year old little girl who says "genki" and poses for selfies. Nuff said.
>>735020029the depths was so fucking shit
>>735007715>They were bitching that they didn’t get the tech demo game from spaceworld 2000. That’s it really. If it wasn’t for that, the game would’ve been received better initially instead of the hate it got at first.Wrong, the spaceworld demo increased the backlash, but it would have happened to matter what. Zelda used to be THE fantasy franchise before TES or Souls became popular. Ocarina of Time was basically the Elden Ring of its day, imagine if Elden Ring 2 was announced and it had Wind Waker's artstyle, that's basically how people felt back then
>>735020612Game for grown-ups. Please understand.
>>735020508He's got a point; TP saw a huge spike in sales since Ocarina of Time and it was the go-to game that Link was representing after BotW itself, source being pic related a few years back and at work, all the Nintendo points cards that have Link on them shows the same model in this banner to this very day.
>>735020734I would literally love Fromsoft to make their own Wind Waker. In fact, they should do that. They've made Dark Souls too many times already.
>>735008708This. I remember when I played it, it felt like a game for little kids.
>>735020508jealous?
>>735020734>Zelda used to be THE fantasy franchise before TES or Souls became popular.Bullshit. You had OoT and MM that were slightly more gritty but still incredibly cartoony and childish. Before that, LttP was as cartoony as WW. The actually gritty/realistic fantasy franchises at the time were on PC.
>>735020746>cartoonifying Botwdisgusting
>>735020734>imagine if Elden Ring 2 was announced and it had Wind Waker's artstyleyikes>>735020908>I would literally love Fromsoft to make their own Wind Waker.DOUBLE YIKESis there anything more lowly than a Wind Waker stan
>>735021465>LttP was as cartoony as WW.lmao, whew kid
>>735021465>You had OoT and MM that were slightly more gritty but still incredibly cartoony and childish.Compared to what exactly? Most games were "cartoony and childish" back then, RE1 was an M rated game that's laughably cheesy by modern standards. Apart from some PC games like Myst most games were targetting a younger audience
>>735015451>people fan theory crafting what they want versus the expectations of realityThis has caused too many shitstorms across the internet for decades
>>735007239you need to understand the mindset of seeing insane graphical leaps ever 5 years back then, look at ff7 and then ff10. those games were 4 years apart. people expected something similar for every big new ip and the cel shaded style subverted expectations of what a next gen game "should" look like.
>>735007239They wanted to be taken seriously as the guys with the real games for real gamers and not kiddy shit for shitty kids
For any zelda fans here, what should be the future of Zelda?More BotW?A return to form?Would a souls-like Zelda be a good idea?
>>735022226I have an entire game plotted out I would love to see made. It takes place in a countryside boxed in by a mountain range, there's a farm, a town, a huge forest and woods, and a cove, along with a token graveyard. The game plays out over the course of a month or so. There's all kinds of branches in the progression of the game. There's survival and simulation elements, where rupees are important, you need to eat and sleep, when you mess up very poorly you end up having to spend half a day working that farm to recoup. Successful dungeon delving can keep you on a roll. There's dozens of dungeons, they are all hidden in the world, and you have to explore and discover them, and making progress inside is also a matter of keen exploration. Elements of the story is randomized, like when bandits sack the town, the villager in cahoots is different on playthroughs. Toward the end of the game there's aliens who abduct villagers, and you don the hover or gravity boots to flip upside down and fall up to the mothership which is a mega dungeon, filled with bosses from prior games given new motifs and aesthetic appearances. It would turn out they were misled and betrayed by Ganon, who is hiding in one of those dozens of dungeons in the overworld. When you happen upon his hideout it transitions to the dark world, and that dungeon is morphed into his castle lair.There's no heart drops, and when you die you get robbed and rag dolled into the wilderness debuffed.After beating the game the mountain pass is finally cleared and Link rides out of dodge having saved the people, wild west style.
>>735015936>G8
>>735007239bottom is unironically better than the top image. ww is the last Zelda with soul, a game that dared end the series and leave behind hyrule, ganondorf and even the fucking master sword behind. everything has been slop since
>>735022226Zelda is already "souls-like" in the ways that matter. You have a sword, you have a shield you can raise to block, you can dodge roll, and the newer ones have stamina. It's just an easy one.
>>735021731Baldur's Gate, Diablo, The Elder Scrolls, Might & Magic, Ultima etc.
>>735015876>PSX
>>735022226>Would a souls-like Zelda be a good idea?For a spinoff game? Absolutely, have Koei Tecmo do Nioh Zelda like how they did Nioh Final Fantasy or in a perfect world, let Miyazaki make a Zelda game since Duskbloods is a Switch 2 exclusive and From is obviously fine with making exclusive games still. I'd take that over musou garbage any day.
>>735022376>leave behind hyrule, ganondorf and even the fucking master sword behindWhile having all of those things. Meanwhile Majora's Mask actually did what you said and you people threw a shitfit over it.
>>735022537That's what it was called.
>>735007239Nothing? Ignoring the infantilized art style, wind waker has the worst gameplay of the 3d zeldas and is incomplete to boot
>>735023164Then why do so many say it's their favorite? There must be something it does right. Maybe I was just never meant to understand opposing Zelda opinions.
>>735023589They were kids when they played it
>>735023589The same reason some people say The Last Jedi is their favorite Star Wars - they're terminal contrarians.
>>735023740It's a kids game.
>>735007239>What was wrong with Zelda fans back then?It wasn't Zelda fans it was OoT fags. BotW wasn't the first game in the series to bring in a horde of obnoxious faggots that have never played a previous game and then demanded that ever game afterwards be the same thing.
>>735023589Good and consistent art direction that aged well, comfy vibes.
If you YouTuber say had a Zelda opinion like this what would you say about them? bonus if one can guess who they areMM > SS > OoT > BotW >>> TP >>>>>>>TotK
>>735024135>SS that high upHe's just trying to piss people off on purpose.
>>735023962Yeah I love Breath of the Wild.
>>735007239WW is the best zelda, better than mm and oot
>>735024135retarded to put Totk low when you think Botw is so good
>>735024201>aged wellBotW's artstyle is hideous.
>>735020734this nigga never played morrowind or WoW
>>735024185Well, they were autistic enough to make a 3 hour video and put 300 hours playtime into a game they hated.
>>735022226zelda is beyond saving at this point. Aonuma is convinced zelda has to be either super kiddy 2d shit that looks like roblox, or some weird amalgamation of princess mononoke and minecraft (which somehow are even MORE kiddy shit).
>>735024320lmfao
>>735018906LINKED
>>735024570Even media for kids can have a good story, but holy shit the story is so shit, no continuity. Nobody acknowledge what Link did or even remember him.
>>735024262>Re-played through both back to back recentlyI think they both are two halves of one incomplete whole. I think they are both roughly equal as TotK has both much higher highs but lower lows. I would never agree with anyone thinking BotW is their favorite Zelda game then turn around and say TotK is a horrible piece of shit.
>>735020734>Zelda used to be THE fantasy franchise before TES or Souls became popular.Why are tendies like this?
>>735017029I've always have and will forever hold the opinion that wind waker sucks dick. I like OOT and MM. Skyward sword is bad, Twilight princess is okayBotw took a bit to get into, Tears of the kingdom was pure dogshit, somehow worse than Wind waker
>>735024950Just a child with a snes/N64 back then, wasn't aware of the RPGs on the pc I bet.
Reminder there isn't a wrong Zelda opinion. Just like what you like. Btw, the only true BAD Zelda games are PH and Triforce Heroes (solo).
>>735007239https://youtu.be/lvL-75lziBI
>>735021538>Noooooo! Games have to be edgy and gross, all the time, because I have masculinity issues!Wind Waker is fucking beautiful and life affirming. From Software have a lot of very artistically talented people under their wing. I'd love to see what their Wind Waker would look like.
>>735007862not really. BOTW artstyle was well liked on reveal. you're a zoomer that wasnt alive when WW was shown for the first time
>>735022226At this point, just because it's been a while, I'd like a return to the more realistically styled OOT look.I like Zelda's existance as a variety series though. It doesn't have to be just one thing. Alternately they could tap into full retro anime, and make something more like Dragon Quest.
>>735024950He's right. The early internet in the late 90's and early 00's treated Zelda as the greatest gaming franchise, Gamefaqs in particular was really bad about jerking off over Zelda nonstop. It won basically all the polls.
>>735014571Link still wears green you stupid faggot.
>>735025126even then, zelda was far from THE fantasy franchise, that was final fantasy and square soft in general. Everybody always loved zelda but it was never the default.
>>735025787I remember early 2000's Gamefaqs character popularity polls it was always Cloud vs. Link in the finals.
>>735025787FF past like V is more of a weirdo artistic variety series. It only very occasional dips back into classic fantasy aesthetics. Dragon Quest would be THE fantasy series. Or Ultima, if you're a computer nerd.
>>735025516Reminder that Link literally BLEACHED Zelda in Wind Waker
>>735007715windwaker was disappointing pre-release but great after, where as twilight princess was the opposite.
>>735026001DQ wasn't even localized at the time.
>>735025745Saying it's the "premiere" fantasy game franchise when these >>735022438 existed is laughable and an indicator of being a tendie sealed off from other platforms. Maybe on consoles, sure, Zelda was the go to fantasy motif series, but as a whole you had way more fantasy esque games especially on PC and were actual role playing games too
>>735007239>want an epic mature zelda game>get childish cartoon trashNintendo was beyond retarded making WW.
>>735026225NTA but nobody on Earth played those fucking games relative to Zelda. You could add up everybody who bought any game in those series and it wouldn't even come close to Twilight Princess's sales.
>>735016424Actually, its style is timeless.
>>735007715>>735015320It is pretty gay to show off tech demos like these then deliver something completely different.>>735007862The Wii U tech demo also looks better and a lot more impressive than BotW turned out.
>>735007239Literally nothing. The promotions and movement of people in the company created a bad team for making Zelda games, that's basically it.>>735007715>Japanese vs. WesternIt was really just the conflict of Aonuma and his team vs. everyone else. The WW abominations were basically his baby, he deliberately kept them obscured for as long as possible and even after it was basically too late, Miyamoto still said that it wasn't too late to do literally anything else, though Miyamoto was also probably in camp realistic FPS Zelda in sort-of contemporary setting, so take that with a grain of salt.>>735019221BotW is just plausibly deniable WW mixed with the Mii avatars, the artstyle is not gritty. >>735022226If they don't get their management under control, then we're likely to see more open world slop, just because they need an excuse for missing milestones and not delivering a viable product. This was already an issue as early as WW.A return to form would be great, but they just lack the skill to coordinate that right now, especially since everyone has been essentially promoted out of their best roles.Souls-like is shit and is just copium for how bad 7th gen console controllers were, no game should be emulating them if they don't have the limitations of a 360 controller.
>>735026225Sites like Gamefaqs were flooded with young teens at the time that weren't really PC gaming or playing Ultima or Might and Magic. TES really only took off with Morrowind(which is partially because of the lolXbox release) and Diablo WAS big but it didn't have the same legacy and people were actually playing D2 nonstop instead of posting on Gamefaqs. To normalfags and casuals back then Zelda and Final Fantasy were the premiere gaming franchises.
>>735015451>The graphics were shitty and blocky but we didn't careThe graphics were the absolute best at the time.
>>735026174I played DQ games on the GB when I was a kid.
>it's the fans who were wrong!lmao they followed up a bleak game that had this ad campaign with actual looney tunes shithttps://youtu.be/aQ7riCXrDxY?si=D_Yh7AqPmPRQlQjy
>>735016424the one problem with WW is the colors are a bit desaturated and some character proportions could be tweaked a bit to be even better(shorter arms). characters are basically proto midnas which everyone knows equals sex
>wrongSpace World 2001 and Celda pretty much killed any hope for the Gamecube, even with it coming out as the last of the sixth gen consoles. Anybody that actually lived through that knows how demoralized Zelda fans felt after news and screenshots started coming out. Even Miyamoto didn't like the art style and kept trying to get Aonuma to change it.E3 2004's reveal of what would become Twilight Princess wasn't one of the most hype moments in video game history for no reason and why Nintendo's E3 2004 is one of the best conferences in its history.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE2Dc1sx71UTP went on to quickly eclipse pretty much every other Zelda in sales up until Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom.And why the three main "face" games of the franchise in merchandising have been OoT, TP and BOTW/TOTK. Even now at the Nintendo stores where BOTW/TOTK hasn't taken over the statues are usually of TP Link.Art style matters.
>>735026607Didn't ask
>>735026225Zelda is however better than those other series.But that's largely because they're all try-hard edgelord rubbish for 12 year olds, while Zelda is a timeless fairy tale, that carries the same kind of appeal or the original Star Wars trilogy or Narnia.
95 gigachad here. WW, MC, PH and ST were all made for my species. Not aging uncs who wanted Lonk to grow up with them. Lonk is 30 in TotK btw.
>>735007239they were literally 12 years old
>>735026452Aonuma is such a fag, he sees Toon Link as his do not steal OC that needs to be put in everything. WW has its flaws but is overall a good game, but the style got way overused after that. Miyamoto made a mistake handing the series over to him, and bringing in Fujibayashi again was yet another mistake, they should be removed.
>>735027057You can do better than the DS games, kiddo.
>>735026869tp was hype as fuck pre release, but it was the perfect tee off to how disappointing games would get from gen 7 onward.
>>735027057Checks out, I was born in 94 and thought Wind Waker was absolutely pathetic. I traded my copy of it away to a friend for a copy of Majora's Mask instead.
>>735026225This is insane historical revisionism. It was the 90s and 2000s, PC gaming was fucking microscopic compared to consoles until the 2010s. The best selling FPS of the 90s was fucking Goldeneye, an N64 exclusive movie tie-in that missed its movie by years, by millions more than its closest competition.No shit the far more successful Zelda franchise holds more esteem and prestige than any PC-centric game series. Publishers broke their backs trying to make Zelda clones for the entire 90s through sixth gen.
>>735026583 (me)I should add that Wind Waker is the exact moment that Zelda lost its prestige and people almost instantly stopped caring about the franchise until BotW(due partially to people not having Gamecubes). A few years later when Shadow of the Colossus came out, that became the adventure game that everyone jerked off over instead, and then Dark Souls replaced that.
>>735027217>>735027292WW Randomizer mogs the Majora's Mask Randomizer. Fuck all those side quests.Now that I'm a unc it's time to play Unc games. Perfect timeline. Nintendo as a kid and PlayStation as an adult. No yearning for anything except a Melee with no glitches which I'm creating.
>>735007239Nothing. No one wanted WW babyshit. Miyamoto has always been a delusional geezer whose godawful ideas have been enabled by Japan's culture of elder worship.
>>735026334Sure, but that wasn't really the original claim, in so far that it was some kind of predecessor to modern realistic fantasy games, or that it was particularly gritty that made Wind Waker such an insane vibe shift.Xbox bridged the gap between PC and consoles, which allowed Morrowind and Halo for example to really usher in realistic fantasy game and FPS:es respectively on console, but those developed primarily from the PC side of things, not from Zelda and GoldenEye.
>>73502705788 here. WW is the best zelda has ever looked.
>>735027692too bad a game looking good doesn't make up for the gameplay and exploration being shit
>>735007239wind water still completely blows regardless of what peoples expectations were so i get it
>>735026908Go fuck yourself.
>>735027528Sorry rando tard, we are grading the game based on its merit without fan content. in any case MM and OOT absolutely mog vanilla shitshaker
>>735026764the point is that it wasn't the "default" series, DQ was absent during the SNES, N64 and PS1 era, it did had presence for the GBC but not during the 90s, and even then, that's not enough presence to be the default fantasy franchise for console fags.
>>735027873gameplay and exploration never got better after anyways
>>735027995>>735027873The exploration is what makes the randomizer so good. Finding islands is just fun and comfy no holds barred simple as cope.
>>735028146Filtered.
Was the release window of OoT the last time the series saw no real infighting, at least not to the degree it is now?OoT vs MM (sorta)N64 Zelda's vs WWN64 Zeldas vs WW vs TPEveryone vs SSClassic fans vs BotWClassic fans vs BotW vs TotK
>>735007239>the year is 1998>people loved OoT>people wanted OoT 2>Nintendo teased OoT 2 >people got extremely hyped for OoT 2>what we got was Shit WakerThats it really. On top of Nintendo making every other fuckhead retarded decision at the time like the gamecube in general.
>>735028539WW probably started it. I dont think there was much fighting with MM. it was kinda cool to get a whole new zelda so quick after OOT too
>>73502862095 MegaChad IntroGOD hereI didn't even watch that spaceworld shit. I just played game.
>>735028146Yeah retard learn to read, we are rating wind waker on the vanilla experience not the rando experience. Wind waker could look like the best game in the world, it doesn't fix the problem that sailing is boring and magnifies the "Hyrule field" issue and the gameplay is objectively worse than the two previous games
>>735029145Sailing is fun. Collecting treasure is funFinding islands is funStick to unc games next time grandpa
>>735028539OoT was the last time a Zelda game was a true upgrade over previous ones. MM was a sidegrade and a bit controversial with the formula changes but the people that really loved OoT let it slide under the assumption that the next game would be more for them and then they got Wind Waker so the fans have been buck broken ever since. With OoT itself it's important to remember that it's the last game that Miyamoto directed so every Zelda game afterwards didn't have his touch in the same way the earlier ones did and fans absolutely felt the series shift from having Miyamoto step back and letting others have more control over the franchise.
>>735029073Im pretty sure that shit wasn't even televised anyways, Games Conferences didn't get shown until G4 started giving us exclusive streams.>>735028539There wasn't really "infighting" as we know it today, mostly just people saying they liked LttP better gameplay wise, but noone could debate the unstoppable march of 3D gaming as a superior medium that was untapped and had extreme potential with Zelda.
>>735027975seething
>>735028539Was there much of a ALttP vs OoT debate back then? I wasn't really participating in Zelda discussions until MM released.
>>735028620the gamecube was based, zoomer retard
>>735029364pretty sure theres a bunch of Usenet screencaps of nerds arguing about it specifically.
>>735029397It is, doesn't mean all of Nintendos decisions with it werent still retarded.
>>735029216Windwaker is so good that it is sitting right in the "people forget it exists" territory. meanwhile OOT and MM still fondly remembered and discussed to this very day and doesn't rely on cartoony cell shaded dogshit. The only thing people praise about WW is the cell shading looking nice. nobody besides (you) praises the gameplay. I bet you loved assassin's creed 3 too. I am playing Zelda not Peter Pan, that shit has no place in a Zelda game
>>735024369The Wind Waker controversy was before both Morrowind and WoW came out
My opinion on Wind Waku>Great Cell shaded art>Great atmosphere>OST is amazing as always>Dungeons are boring besides like 2, worst Dungeons probably out of all 3d games that are not BotW/ToTK>Good Bosses>Combat was improved>Sailing was hit or miss>Too much cut content>Some fun lil minigamesOverall a 8/10 experience. You can have fun with it but some things will make you wish for more OoT/MM
>>735022438>>735026225>Baldur's Gate, Diablo, The Elder Scrolls, Might & Magic, Ultima etc.Zelda was way bigger in the 90's and early 2000's than all of these, the only one that came close to the same mainstream popularity was Diablo.
>>735007239You see, gaming used to be one giant boys' club, where only hyper realistic grimdark slop for dudebros was allowed to exist. Those same faggots have recently been trying to make a 'comeback (see picrel)', thanks to the manosphere/Elon's version of twitter, and have rightfully been getting ridiculed and laughed at by pretty much everyone with a brain.
>>735028539>"classic" is when the series was taking it's detourKill you fucking self. Use words correctly. Classic Zelda is 1, 2, Breath, and Tears. Call everything from Link to the Past to Tri Force Heroes retro Zelda.
>>735029519Combat was cool too. Cope.
>>735029973>still trying to peddle the MUH BOTW/TOTK AM ZELDA 1 narrative
>>735007239People wanted Ocarina/Majora but prettier instead of Powerpuff Girls.
>>735029876Space Marine 2 isn't a comeback for edgeslop, it's the perfect example for why edgeslop is dead. Yeah you can have your edge goy but only if it's part of this one specific franchise that's been around for decades. If saber interactive made a non-warhammer game it would bomb or everyone would headcanon it into warhammer because it has the same "vibes".
>>735023819It's an adult game disguised as a kid's game. Like how Adventure Time and Regular Show were secretly adult cartoons (not so secretly in Regular Show's case).
>>735030460Powerpuff Girls ruled. Go fuck yourself.
>>735027683WW had nothing to do with Miyamoto. The last Zelda game Miyamoto directed was OOT.
One aspect that's forgotten about the annoyance over Wind Waker is that its artstyle quickly became THE face of the franchise's output for the next near decade after its reveal.>Four Swords (2002, they actually changed the original sprite style to reflect the WW art style just before WW itself released)>Wind Waker (2002)>Minish Cap (2004)>Four Swords Adventures (2004)>Phantom Hourglass (2007)>Spirit Tracks (2009)Twilight Princess (2006) was the sole exception in the post-WW 2000s, and it was not only a game that they felt like they had to make out of duty/desperation rather than passion, but one they cynically kicked to the side immediately after it brought in the money the series needed (vis a vis rejecting TP2 in favor of a quick asset rehash for a new Wii peripheral that quickly became used game store fodder, and instead blessing Wind Waker with the privilege of two sequels despite its middling sales and subpar reception that caused so much damage to begin with).In short, WW/the toon style received blatant teacher's pet treatment that was palpable even back in the 2000s. The blowback wasn't limited to WW itself, but how Nintendo preemptively saw fit to make it permeate the series in other avenues.
This thread has convinced me that the average zelda fan is a mentally ill manchild shadowboxing with their own schizophrenic delusions because they can never and will never grow up. They will forever emotionally be on the kindergarden playground.
>>735031193WW and TP represented two different aesthetics of 2000s pop culture. The Toonami aesthetic and the Christopher Nolan aesthetic.
>>735031304that's the people still complaining that we never got "mature" Zelda, yeah. They're still mad the bigger boys laughed at them for liking the gay elf game.
>>735031193Its pretty fucking obvious that from the gamecube era on nintendo has focused on marketing its games towards actual children. Perfect Dark was on the N64, and theres nothing even remotely that adult on either the gamecube or the wii.The art style of WW and its spin offs were meant to appeal to young kids.
>>735031594literally the opposite happened. They have gradually loosened off on their "kids only" image. The GC was the major turning point, where they produced Eternal Darkness, Metroid Prime, and Geist in-house. Then they owned the Project Zero franchise and Bayonetta for a while. Now they're happily publishing things like Yakuza and Duskbloods on their console.
>>735015919>Anon doesn't know about the neurolink
>>735007715Shift of tone is one thing, but WW is also blatantly unfinished and rightfully got shat on. Maybe for the wrong reasons, but not undeserved.
>>735007715Wrong, it looks like a kids' cartoon in an era where Nintendo was getting slammed for making baby games. Also, the game is no masterpiece.
>>735026243>want an epic mature zelda game>get another coming of age story but instead of a story about overcoming horrifying experiences and the affects of puberty, it's about an underdog that has to live up to the legendary hero (which he bears no blood relation) to save his little sistertwo flavors of kino
>>735007239i hate graphicwhores so much its unreal
>>735015451just die already, boomer
>>735007862it's 2026 and these graphics are still considered too advanced, you are getting ps2 botw for another decade
>>735035970>bears no blood relation toWhy do you lie?
>>735036836All they had to was make Tuwairaito Purincess first and then make Windu Waika.
>>735036836>XXXah yes, the dark age.
>>735036724WW Link isn't a nepobaby that inherited the Triforce of Courage like TP Link
>>735037768Don't matter.
>>735036836I fail to see how OoT and TP are similar any more so than any other retro Zelda games. Why are they always compared?
Hated it when it came out, but Im playing it right now. Its 10/10 pure kino (actual 9/10 because of the sailing being annoying as fuck) it holds up remarkably well
>>735038381Keep in mind OOT, MM, and WW are the only 3D Zeldas made up until TP's release. Minor similarities like "no cell shading" was enough to draw parallels between OOT and TP. Oh, and land exploration with a horse, since WW was the big departure.
>>735018964Your waif? Your smol child?
>>735007239Nothing, WW is a terrible game.
>>735039125It was kino.
As an original OoT fan I absolutely hated it when it came out and I actually didn't buy it for about a month after it came out but then I felt fomo as other friends were talking about it in middle school.I actually HATED the game up until the moment you go under water and the OoT hero of time statue is shown, which is now a cliche but was absolutely mind bending back then as the aesthetic was different so no one would suspect an actual link back to OoT.Now in retrospect it's one of the three zelda games I respect the most OoT, MM and Wind Waker.The funny thing is the exact opposite happened with Twilight Princess. I was absolutely hyped for it before release and was literally standing in line before opening time to get my preorder, I literally didn't go to school and called in sick at my shitty retail side income job just to play it. I called my childhood friend over and we played it until I finished it.I don't know what I expected but it was very mediocre and ultimately a bit generic. If it wasn't for the controls I would have preferred Skyward Sword over it.BoTW I genuinely enjoyed but I finished the game in a single day and didn't feel the need to explore everything. I don't like ToTK and didn't bother finish it, I dropped it 3 hours into it and will never finish it. I hate the direction the games have gone into and I wished it stayed as just a one-time gimmick instead of the new zelda direction.I wouldn't mind a spiritual successor to Wind Waker on the Switch 2 from Nintendo though, although ANY "OoT" dungeon based zelda would satisfy me already.I'm not buying a Switch 2 until there is a proper AAA nintendo title on it like a (proper) Zelda game.
To think that we used to get a new iteration of 3D Zelda every 3 or 4 years to a decade of BoTW only.
>>735039205It's kino, but specifically not ludo.
>>735039356That's the most disappointing/enraging thing with TotK. At least with MM, we got a new world and reusing models to make new characters, plus they used the underlying art style to present new design language for the world and inhabitants of Termina. It was an asset flip that was more than the sum of its parts, with little more than a year of devtime to work from.TotK did the complete opposite. Nintendo took longer to make it than BotW, almost doubled the developer count for it from BotW, and turned out a game that isn't distinct in identity. It prides itself in being basically an expansion pack for BotW.
>>735041695..without actually expanding on anything from the prior game, and in fact the game would really rather you just not have played BotW at all or worry about any connections to it because they sure fucking didn't
>>735041761The way I see it: TotK mostly priotizied upward expansion instead of strengthening the core foundation provided by BotW (one of the few examples of inward strengthening that DID happen was the addition of caves in BotW's existing world, since that was a puzzling oversight from BotW's world design). While BotW did need more, what it had was consistent and designed with its foundation in mind, so it takes time for you to realize that it needed more. TotK wasn't, it's a McMansion of a sequel, and thus it's a fucking mess whose issues are more readily apparent.
>>735030048Combat was literally just taking the formula Ocarina of time created and perfected. I'm not the dumb fuck trying to defend Wind waker being a good game by using randomizer as an example as to why Wind Waker is good,
>>735029243Wind Waker's Space World video was closed doors only and when it leaked out Nintendo's stance was YOU DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING FUCK YOU IT'S STILL IN DEVELOPMENT But even the press who saw it at Space World stunned Shiggy with how deafening their silence is. "The Americans aren't clapping, something's wrong".
>>735036836See >>735021816
>>735031193>and instead blessing Wind Waker with the privilege of two sequels despite its middling sales and subpar reception that caused so much damage to begin withThere's a keynote speech Aonuma gave where he mentions that the minute he found out the DS could do cel shading he IMMEDIATELY pushed another Toon game knowing full well it was unpopular.
>>735011298Twilight Princess came out 4 years after Wind Waker.It was announced 2 years after Wind Waker released.
Just make a Zelda game in Terada's style already.
>>735007239>make kiddyslop>release UNFINISHED kiddyslop in an era where everyone was trying to be darker and edgier>cubetrannies will defend it to their dying breath anyway
>>735007239>Retarded manchildren now retroactively defending Piss Wanker >unfinished bloated ocean with barely any fucking dungeonsYou are never going to force your WW shilling here without boomers like me rightfully shitting on you fucking retards.
>>735007239As someone new to Zelda, I just played oot and mm in 2019, I have no interest in playing this one. The art style is so goddamn ugly and all the gameplay I've seen over the years makes it comes across as a literal toddler game and the characters seem insufferable.
>>735048609Wind Waker was actually one of the darkest Zelda games, it's just more subtle about it than OoT or MM. WW's ending is arguably the most depressing ending in a Zelda game.
>>735048891Let's talk about tone. If you watch a movie, you expect the tone to be consistent. You wouldn't expect something like Jason to slip on a banana peel while chasing a victim, or Goofy to get hit on the head leading to him actually getting killed. That's just basic stuff, but it applies to video games too. But Wind Waker's tone manages to be choppier than the oceans you sail on!Look at this cutscene. Link explodes when he puts the ball on the statue and goes flying through the air until he slams into a brick wall of a tower arising from the ocean. Nevermind that it doesn't match the tone of awe the scene wants you to have to have a slapstick gag like that, it just means any attempt at serious tone is undone. Let's calculate it: Link was launched from this island here... and flew to the castle here... and it went by pretty much instantly, meaning he was traveling at miles a second. He might have passed the speed of sound, crashed into the wall at over 300 miles a second... and wasn't even hurt? Why are we even afraid of Ganon, Link's invincible! Now the story is just impossible to take seriously.Not that it's trying to be serious. You see this weird fish guy? If you talk to him he tells you about a great treasure called "triumph forks". But I've been collecting things literally called Triforce charts. I know it's the triforce. Everything does. So why is this game trying to pretend it's a fork? Does it think it's funny because they sound similar? Is it funny if I call myself the "Bangry Video Frame Bird?" No it's not funny! Maybe for preschoolers it's funny. No, even preschoolers don't find that funny! Was this game made for people who weren't even in preschool yet? Should I put it on the shelf next to "Dora the Explorer: Journey to the Purple Planet"? What were they thinking doing this to Zelda?!
>>735049121>Was this game made for people who weren't even in preschool yet?No, it wasn't, because preschoolers wouldn't understand the themes of the game at all. Even the target audience of 8-12 year olds wouldn't fully understand it, because the game is fundamentally about the passage of time, which is a concept that becomes more impactful with age.
>>735047974What did Mitamoto see in this guy to leave the keys with him?
>>735022375I did a big dumb.
>>735049121AVGN likes Wind Waker.
>>735049349It's like every time Aonuma opens his mouth his ego makes him say something that makes you hate him even more.
If WW was a finished game it would easily be considered one of the best Zelda games ever made. As it stands the worst aspect about WW is that it's missed potential
>>735016424Absolute trvth nvke.Tendies and WW zoomers will seethe but this is it.
>>735007862Still mad.
>>735050901>WW>zoomersWW is older than most zoomers. Just because you don't like something doesn't make it "zoomer". This reminds me of /tv/ idiots calling the Star Wars prequels "zoomer" even though the first one came out in the 90s and no zoomers care about Star Wars.
>>735051009Zoomers are zoomers no matter what. And yes. A game be filled with zoomers even if it's old.
>>735029397You don’t fool us. Zoomers are the ones that won’t shut the fuck up about how amazing the gamecube was in this revisionist way.
>>735007239Top is just soulcalibur innit
>>735051115Gamecube is millennial. The 7th gen was the first zoomer console generation.
>>735051187Remember that one zoomer with a chip on his shoulder who kept insisting Billy & Mandy and classic Spongebob were zoomer shows?
>>735016424As much as I love WW, I'd rather take a 2003 SCII-styled Zelda game instead
Are Zeldafags the whiniest Nintendo fanbase? Even Metroidfags have moved on from Prime 4 and stopped talking about it. DK and Mario fans have moved on from Bananza and Odyssey not being that amazing to talk about other games. Yet you fags are just crying ad nausem about the same games for decades while circle jerking about the Aonuma boogeyman.
>>735051009Gamecube and sixth gen in general was the quintessential early zoomer’s entry into vidya.
>>735026452>BotW is just plausibly deniable WWsure, because ww isn't well liked
>>735025518>Breath of the Wild is fucking beautiful and life affirmingagreed
>>735051506This is what we all wanted at that time.
>>735051526Sorry, you’re right. We should all move over to Twitter Ragebait Thread #7642.
>>735007239I can hear the outset theme music in my head all these years later
>>735051846this but unironically. We can't ever talk about video games unless it's allowed by mods
>>735016424>Wind Waker is a confused game that was misguided into thinking its style would be timeless.I don't even like WW as a game but you're huffing maximum space world copium if you don't think it still mogs 99% of games in art direction.
>>735051541Playing the games years after they came out doesn't count. If you were born in 1998, the Gamecube wasn't for you when it came out.
>>735051187Elder zoomers would've been 6-10 during the GameCube's life and therefore part of the cube's target audience. Because they experienced it at such an influential age they're well known to like it more in retrospect than younger millenials, who would've been 11-16 during its life, and likely at the age where a purple cube seemed gay and retarded.
>>735007239The story of WW hate gets grander and grander as the years pass. It was a loud minority. There was just as many people telling spaceworld niggers to shut the fuck up and when the game released all the hate basically disappeared.
>>735052092The hate disappeared because the people who hated it bought PS2s instead.
>>735052089Early zoomers were 6-10 during the second half of the Gamecube's lifespan when most of the games were multiplats and shovelware by that point. The Wii came out in 2006 which was when they would have been when most of them started seriously getting into games and not just watching their big brother playing them.
>>735007862I'm still not over this
>>735052092This is true. WW got good reviews from both critics and gamers when it released. The hate was mostly in reaction to the trailer, which was a bad trailer.
>>735052195The brownoid mind cannot imagine having the mental capacity to appreciate video games before age 10.
>>735052092It was consider the black sheep The hate was there that's why they made TP and all wind waker games became DS spinoff
>>735052427Actually, Majora's Mask was the black sheep because it was so different from any of the other Zelda games. Wind Waker sold more than MM did.
>>735052482two black sheeps, WW and MM sold about the same TP sold double what they did
>>735007239Wind Waker is iconic Twilight princess is forgotten
>>735007239I tink Zeruda get stale, so I make Windu WaikaYou hate Windu Waika nd tink it fo babies, so I forrow OOT and make tuwairaito purincess.Oooooo but nooooo now you hate TUWAIRATIO PURINCESS. YOU ROVU WIND WAIKA NOW.WELL YOU DONTU KNOW WHATTU RIKE!SO I MORPHU TUWAIRAITO PURINCESSU AND WINDA WAIKA AND GIB U SKYWAADO SWORDOAND YOU DONT RIKE SKYEWAADO SWORDU TOO. YOU ROVU WINDA WAIKA AND TUWAIRAITO PURINCESSS NOW.I GIVE U BREASS OF WIRDE AND YOU DONT RIKE THAT EVAAWHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT!!!??
>>735007239I admit to being in the camp that hated Wind Waker at first, but I started warming up to it over time due to the trailers that were shown.https://youtu.be/aQ7riCXrDxY?t=3https://youtu.be/RxMos9muPYQAs a kid I always wondered what newer technology meant in terms of video game interactivity, like would enemy AI be smarter and shit like that. So seeing Link react and interact with his environment the way he did was a big deal for me back then. Being able to pick up the enemy's weapons, the flip attack over the enemy before we knew what parries were, seeing the hurricane attack for the first time. It looked like the next step in what Zelda could be. Then the game came out and it was shallow on all fronts and as we'd later learn was heavily unfinished. Then Twilight Princess came in and regressed everything back to OoT and was an all-around worse game for it because instead of evolving and improving what they experimented with in Wind Waker, they fucking axed it all. In a way I'm glad BoTW and ToTK came to exist because it realizes what WW tried to do in some ways, and while neither game is perfect, they're a hell of a lot better than the shitty course correction of TP and Skyward Sword.To this day though Wind Waker is still my favorite combat in a 3D Zelda. I love that the enemies are spatially aware of where they are and that they respond to situations based what's around them. It's basic yeah, but something as small as Moblins pushing Link back when he comes in too close to keep themselves within optimal range to attack is the kind of detail I enjoy and what makes combat feel more dynamic. It's something I wish they brought back, or at the very least made gave stronger enemies in BoTW and ToTK more moves and strategies instead of health bloat.
>>735026356WW art kinda looks like Polynesian murals
>>735052195Well it's not like kids immediately got access to the latest consoles and titles a lot of kids played decade old games because that was all they could affordWhich is why this whole zoomer millennial discourse is gay and retarded
>>735053331I too like how WW looks but the gameplay was meh
Wind Waker was wasted on Zelda fans. Beautiful game. Pearls before swine.
>>735053735It's got ugly character design so the graphics are meaningless.
>>735053735>Beautiful*ugly
>>735053378>WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT!!!??Ocarina of Time you fucking stupid nips
>>735054641Here's your OOT 2 bro
>>735055142That's OOT 3, Wind Waker is OOT 2.
>>735007239What do you mean what was wrong? WW was shit and it got shat on.
>>735055142need to replay that some day
>>735007862this is the most "top 10 most anticipated games of 2014" watch mojo artstyle ass shit
>>735007862Switch 2 could definitely pull this off in an open world format. Are you fags ready for kino?
>>735058065>this anticipated game looks like anticipated game that was anticipated ok
>>735055142Proved Wind Waker right. Haters didn't know what they were asking for, as usual.
>>735015354Incidentally, Primal Season 3 was fucking kino.
