>Spend millions getting all the biggest streamers to play Marathon today>Instead of the player count shooting up, it actually went downThere is nothing that can save this trash heap is there?I'm guessing sub 40k on Monday.
The game only needs 20k to stay alive, look at The Finals.
>>735008258why are they insisting on wasting money on streamers? they did this last weekend too for no results. that money would be better put in the game dev
>>735008280The finals didn't cost 300 million dollars
>>735008314Zoomers literally only buy things of they see a streamer play it first
>>735008280The Finals is not own by Sony
>>735008314>that money would be better put in the game devI'm a dev and I'm being paid minimum wage while putting out minimum effort but this has to change, it's sabotage time now.
Why didn't the Destiny games get half of the hate this game gets
>>735008747Destiny didn't come into an extremely crowded genre when it first released
>>735008747People were not aware about the shit bungie would do.
>>7350084193.9 billion*
>>735008747normals don't have meta cognition like us autists
>>735008747People would rather see Destiny 2 improve or get a Destiny 3. Bungie fans weren't asking for an extraction shooter.
>>735008779>extraction shooter>hunt>tarkov>arc raiders>and uhhhh
>>735008258
>>735009102And moreso to your point those 3 games are extremely distinct in their appearance, gameplay, and ruleset. Its not even like youre comparing BF6 to COD.
>>735009102yeah and? moba market is completely saturated by only two games.
They couldn't have come up with a less interesting aesthetic.What the fuck they were thinking.
>>735009102>>735009221Extraction shooters are literally PUBG battle royals but you keep loot. It is an extremely generic and over saturated market
>>735008258Of course the player count goes down when the players are busy watching their favorite streamers playing their favorite game.
no one plays shoooters anymore boomer
why sponsor steamers after the game came out? their one use is to build hype pre release
there are better games to play than sleep simulator
Pretty predictable, honestly. It's funny how shills will declare games a "huge success" and scream at people that they were "wrong" when the product they obsess over starts dying literally in the same month.
>>735009410because they were delusional enough to schedule this beforehand. they thought they had arc radiers like hit on their hands so extra streams would only help them
1pm sunday in eur of op 28k players. Its absolutely over.
>>735008258the game didn't even reach 60k on a saturday
Why didn't they just make it a Halo style fps?
>>735009102Extraction shooter is just a subgenre of battle royal
>>735008258I’m honestly fucking stunned it didn’t hit 60k. Seriously, how??? I would have taken a 50k bet that it would at least hit 60k but they just couldn’t manage it even with the weekend and the streamer event
>>73500825830k peaks by next month
>>735008747normalfags are slow on the uptake. At least they used to be. They got a bit faster recently.
>>735012796>by next month
>>735008258Every bit of this game looks visually unappealing. Some of the fembot sluts kind of look alright in concept but in-game they look complete ass.
>>735013460Cute pigger
>>735008258why is /v/ so obsessed with seeing games die
>>735014924any liveslop game dying is a good thing
>>735014924i love seeing hundred million dollar projects that look like shit fail. its the opposite of how people root for underdogs
>>735014924live service is basically a crime against gaming
>>735014924>GaaS>Bungie>WokeThat’s enough in the checklist for failure and isn’t even close to all the issues
>>735009102Forever Winter
>>735008280Delusional.Hunt was put on EoS by crytek for not being profitable enough and it only had 30 Devs maintaing it with a budget not even a 10th of marathon AND it made 120million dollars in raw profits.This literally matters because bungie and Sony are both retarded. If it wasn't a shitty live service the game would be absolutely fine.
>>735008314Do you really need to ask this question? It's called marketing. You understand marketing, right?
>>735009102Might as well add all the battle royals to the list of competition for marathon because that's really all an extraction shooter is.
>>735008419actually marathon cost 3.6 billion, +300 million, + the opportunity cost of doing absolutely anything else with that money. For comparison even bad destiny expansions launched with bigger numbers.
I don't get it, the concept art looks fine.Why the 3D looks like garbage? are 3D artists shit at their job?
>>735014924Live service is cancer to video games. Especially if it isn't free to play. Games like marathon only exist to extract money from retards for as long as they can manage to. Minimally viable product games.Bungie is so arrogant they even charge $40 for their bare bones dopamine treadmill.Bungie has been shit for years, having no regard for players as paying customers.This game deserves to fail and every other AAA live service needs to die and bankrupt the companies making them.
>>735017095Who thought flat, neon, textureless surfaces was a good idea?
>>735017095It only looks okay because the angle hides that theyre featureless uninteresting roblox actuon diguees and actually insinuates the girl having hips and ears, also that girl is the only decent hero in the game visually. maybe the guy in the middle.
>>735008258Sony understands their audience, they know they won’t let the game fail
>>735017365who talks like this?
>>735017292Recon is great, shut your mouth
>>735008258>Spend millions getting all the biggest streamers to play Marathon todayThey should've spent less than that on getting in features that would actually make this game a good product.1. PVE mode or solo for priority contracts (so a solo PvE mission).2. Bullet drop, windage (works with weather quite nicely).3. Heat/energy dissipation making rain and fog reduce energy weapon effectiveness.4. Toggle walk/run.5. Being able to equip items from vault overflow, not just move them to backpack.6. More ticks and mutated ticks.Instead they went after the most rotten fruit of the tree. Bungie are retards. Have a functional good product first, then do marketing escapades.
>>735017482ContrariansLack of God has pushed people to religiously follow media and products. Same goes for a lot on this board
>>735017095It's weird because the earlier trailer seems to imply that it was supposed to have a single player campaign about two people trying to find each other.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvbEnWLRo1sBut in the end it's just PVP only?
>>735017854Sony forced them to Change it to GAAS shit
>>735017640>2. Bullet drop, windage (works with weather quite nicely).>3. Heat/energy dissipation making rain and fog reduce energy weapon effectiveness.>4. Toggle walk/run.>5. Being able to equip items from vault overflow, not just move them to backpack.>6. More ticks and mutated ticks.All great suggestions. Still a bit iffy on PvE, they shouldn't turn this into Destiny and only implement PvE content if it's actually GOOD, but more USEC enemies are desperately needed.Also Rook contracts, please
>>735008747Destiny was always trying to be a pseudo MMO fps. Marathon was a single player FPS made decades ago by the team who went on to make Halo, brought back as an extraction shooter for Sony by the team who made Destiny 2's worst updates.
>>735008258It's an aesthetically revolting game, looks extremely boring in motion, empty, pointless maps. I have time for another babby's extraction shooty shit game in a sea of this overdone genre. There's no reason for Marathon to exist. It's nothing made for nobody.
>>735017597lmfao nah i absolutely loathe the pumpkin head thing
>>735014924>gamesthese are not games, but a "gaming products", like a margarine. We are the retards, an autists, an outcasts, we can smell failure from a single frame of a teaser trailer 2 years before the game launches. And no value was lost as these concord-likes keep falling like a rotten apples in the last autumn.
>>735017992PvE is a tricky pony. As someone suggested it to me, they could just make it PvE for story missions (they are called priiority contracts), allowing players to familiarise with content and get some training wheels on. As for UESC - going solo against them can be easy, yet as they increase in command rank, they become a menace where if you do something reckless you will get dabbed on by them. So it balances out. Even if trio could do such missions in co-op, they still have a risk from bots because purple shields and above are a tricky and will own your entire team if you do things recklessly.I mean, when you start the game, you spawn initially as Destroyer and into a map with no players and get to fight a lot of UESC. So how difficult can it be to enable that for story missions?Bungie fumbled this badly. I have not played Destony (either of them) so i cannot say anything about them, except i keep hearing and reading that they ruined D2 quite badly. I recall visiting D2 general thread and reading about nerfs to weapons and such and how some were no longer otainable and thought to myself "yeah, i am not touching this game".Shame about Marathon, could've been a nice game.
>>735016834but it didn't work last weekend. why waste money again? you just don't waste money on ads without any returns
>>735019213nah, it couldn't, marathon is doing all the garbage the community balked at them doing in destiny2, its bungies dream game where they do minimal work and retards grind endlessly the same few missions to get the same gear over and over.I cant understand the mental illness that makes someone play shit like this its sysiphus rock simulator.it cant word in pve/with pve solo missions because then what playerbase they have will actually finish the contracts and stop playing, also they only did 4 fucking tiny maps.
>>735019615what are they going to do, go to sony with anime girl whoopsi.jpg?
>>735014924The gaming industry at large is in a death spiral. Games constantly cost more to make, take longer to come out, require more and more powerful hardware and disk space while looking worse and having less content, games in each genre are becoming more derivative and samey, artistic visions more indistinct and streamlined, writing across genres and studios is heading towards the ironic, insincere, modern day politics-infested millenial slop singularity, the industry is affected by brain drain in a big way, massive studios are completely controlled by shareholders, using the empty husks of has-been studios to shart out nostalgia-baiting endless sequels, prequels and spin-offs... the list goes on. The industry needs a good, solid crash at the entire AAA level, just to reset to a level of sanity again.Rooting for these project that cost hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars to go down in flames is the natural response. Maybe if enough of them fail in big enough ways, the rest of the industry will follow.
>>735017365Why do leftists go out of their way to support anti-consumer corporate practices?
>>735020089If you like games why do you want the game industry to fail? Then you'd get no more games! I don't get it.
>>735020164Because they're retarded. Leftists are best compared to slavering animals, a churning horde that will turn on its own like that, mercilessly devouring any that show even the slightest hint of no longer blindly following the horde-think. As such, leftists are constantly fucking terrified of being the next one to be ripped apart by the ones who they now call allies and friends, and will thus mindlessly defend anything and everything that smells of leftism, just to be on the safe side. Using this, a corporation can trivially turn leftists into their private internet defense force, just by injecting woke bullshit, faggotry, and troonism into their game. It's a free pass to your terminally online interference squad.
>>735019641>its bungies dream gameLike Todd's starfield?>I cant understand the mental illness that makes someone play shit like this its sysiphus rock simulatorIts not. It requires hedging risk/reward, and YOU DO make a lot of solid progress. The issue is that PvP and PvE get in each other's way, and the solution is to either separate them, or implement changes to balance both elements out, like >>735017992 points 2, 3, 4 and then make thermals being easily spoofed by metal heating up on the sun, not detecting runners unless they are building up heat or are overheated, rain and fog spoofing thermal signatures, inverse square law applicable to the range of signature detection, so that no sniping with thermals across the entire map in broad daylight, or even night. They also need to make changes to signal jammer, which is far better at stealth than anything else by making it simply do what name says - make player invisible to TAD and Recon's pulse (basically masks radar signature), Thief's x-ray visor and drone.They need also to increase incentives for vE content, because right now PK is far too rewarding, and you can grind mad levels when you are a pre-made trio wiping the lobby time and time again. So far the game is a shitshow when it comes to PvP, forget about vE.And there is also an issue with cheaters, because Battle Eye has been around for ages (atleast since 2018). Conan Exiles and Tarkov use it and both are plagued by cheaters, and apparently it is slowly becoming an issue with Marathon too (i had atleast two such encounters).The only way for them to ensure the game is relatively fair and/or has longevity is to either get a better anti-cheat, or just go PvE. Tau Ceti IV is a big planet, offers plenty of places for maps and such (think tick nest and tick queen, fungus infestation cleanup, aliens, survival in hazardous zone while trying to repair vital equipment, etc).
>>735008258AAA Boomers only know how to solve problems by throwing money at it because that's all they have, and they seem to have an endless supply of it as well. Their brains are pea sized and dopamine fried from watching green line go up and down or number on a chart they are simply incapable of creating anything that isn't inoffensive repetitive digital goyslop. They have a shallow understanding of the market as shown by how much they pay streamers to play their games yet the fail to understand people in fact watch the streamers because they couldn't be bothered to try it themselves.
>>735008258i dunno im ejoying uncovering the lorethere were worshippers of the compilers
>>735020387You just described rightoids, xitterfag
>>735020358Because the industry won't crash you fucking neanderthal,only the AAA slops will, Slay the Spire 2 has more players on it than Marathon ever had and it's an indie game
>>735020409PvPvE games have never worked, and I don't understand why studios still believe they'll be the ones to crack the code. You simply can't place two diametrically opposed player types in the same game and expect it to work out. Every single one of these games, without fail, turns into premade PvP stacks preying on PvE players. Because every time, without fail, it's the most efficient way to make progress in the game. And the reason it's efficient is because PvE players will always serve as a bottleneck for rewards - they do the work of traversing the map, interacting with PvE elements, collecting shit, and all PvP Timmy and friends need to do is wait at the point all PvE players need to pass, gank them, and grab their shit at a fraction of time and effort expended. This goes on for a while, and then PvE players inevitably leave because they realize the futility.It doesn't work. Stop fucking trying to make it work.
>>735018070well put and in simple terms.
>>735020089I think early on that rant, maybe after the second sentence, you should have added a: --and niggas still just play fortnite and apex legends and LoL rather than newly released games
>>735020164its really bizarre i thought they were commies too, guess they suck corporate cock to own the chuds now
>>735008454Unironically this. Streaming is important for shooters in general but it’s HUGE for extraction shooters especially. The games that catch fire in the extraction space aren’t just fun to play; they’re also fun to watch on stream. It’s why Arc exploded: it’s a hoot to watch others play it and then you want to try it too. The issue with Marathon is that it SUCKS to watch others play which is why they’re having to pay streamers to even fuck with it. Burnt peanut is one of the hottest streamer going right now; routinely getting 80,000 plus viewers per livestream on YouTube. He maxed out at less than 40000 while playing marathon yesterday. People just don’t want to watch this game which means they’re not gonna want to play it.
>>735017365Anything to "own the chuds", same mentality as the retards who bought multiple copies of the same game because someone else said he isn't buying it.In their head, they won
>>735020616That's right, I can remember all those media campaigns blaming leftist players for destroying games just because they didn't agree with right-wing political content pointlessly injected into them, the endless deflection perpetrated by righties blaming the game's failure not on its lack of quality and overdone focus on politics, but rather just lefties being hateful bigots, and the hordes of frothing right-wing trannies doing their best to cancel anyone criticizing studios and games, because how dare you spread your hate speech about this game and its valiant... whatever the right wing equivalent of a faggot or tranny is, you get the point, sarcastic analogy ends here.
>>735020387you missed the best part, yes they will defend the slop but will never actually buy and play it
>>735020409you sound like youd make a better game than these fucks so props
>>735008258Doesn't it go down because people are watching the game instead of playing it?Didn't quite think that through huh?
I don't mind it so much if it weren't for the fact that Dire Marsh is one of THE WORST maps I had to endure in gaming. Outpost is annoying because of key hunting currently but Dire Marsh is a gigantic fucking slog and a sniper heaven. If you get downed in the open you're fucked, your team can't do shit about people camping your corpse from another building because everything is as flat as your fucking sister outside
>>735008747They did, but Destiny kept going and people moved on to other games to make fun of.
>>735021208>run out in the open>die>WTFFF HOW DID THEY SEE ME
>>735020771It's true though, it's why they never managed to make a wow killer cause they all tried to give the same experience wow already gives to the players, you actually need to do something different for people to leave, it's why RuneScape is still alive
>>735008280The ACKs!
>>735008747It should because it’s the same team of fucking homos.
>>735008314Marketing has some of the most power in these companies, anon.Marketing has the most weight when it comes to new product ideas(they're also in part the reason we get so much generic bland "appeal to everyone" slop), marketing gets the majority of the budget, marketing gets the ability to kill your project mid-development, marketing doesn't even take the fall when the product fails (even when it was as a result of them failing to advertise it)
>>735021208Outpost key hunting is a joke
