>Just fighting to defend their homeland>But they are the bad guys because.... they have cool uniformsVideogame writing is a joke
>>735011625>ISA launches special military operation to kill Visari and destabilise the helghast>instead of rising up against their leaders they become more radicalised and voew to kill youWhat was the ISA's plan?
>>735011717>What was the ISA's plan?Crashing this planeWITH NO SURVIVORS
i just wanna play as the helghast and not isa dogs
>>735011625I still believe in the Helghast dream.https://youtu.be/-h-W1qLcTSA?si=5ZXIKUCSwUS1Yij0
>>735011625If only there were real world comparisons
>>735011625>>735011717>>735012295ISA are space Israel
I fight for the anti-bad guys, so anyone who opposes me must be the bad guys.
>Finally decide to make the player faction cool looking>worst game of the franchise>>735011717Funnily enough, the last games of the franchise were much more antagonistic of them, with the message being more "war ruin everyone" and then the franchise died before they could really explore this more. and now they are downright refusing to work on it ever again.
it's a shame that anything cool is managed by people who hate cool
>>735012295The IDF?
>>735012467...It actually is.They screw over the original people of a place and cast them aside instead of collaborating with them, then the people becomes more and more hateful, which fuel the ISA own's hateful part, who want the Helghast to be extinct too. Turning the conflict into a never-ending bloodshed where only the innocent civilians will suffer and war profiteers and tyrants profit from it.Peace could have being achieved years ago, now it's looking to be impossible when both government hate each others and want the other gone forever. And the earth government doesn't try to actually resolve the conflict.Maybe this is why this franchise died, it became too close to the sad reality.
>>735012698I don't think they hate their old games, it's just Horizon bring them more money and first person shooters as a whole are much less common outside of indies. And Sony is very much adverse at bringing their own franchise back seeing it as a waste of money due to the smaller profit. (even if some of their recent franchise are not all good, the one that brings profit brings a lot more than in the past)
>>735011625As if movies and books don't have that exact same writing
Self proclaimed anti-war, anti-authoritarian devs Commit planetwide genocide because the player base have become more empathic to the Helghans cause than ISArael. >>735012698killzone 1, 2 and liberation stories were outsourced. Guerilla Games in-housed 3 and shadowfall turning helghans into Saturday morning cartoon villains.
>>735012612Space UN if they gay
>>735011625>Invade Vekta because they are jealous of them living in a non-shithole planet>Piss and shit and cry when counteroffensive enters their shithole and starts doing a fraction of warcrimes they did>Blow their own planet up with superweapons they intended to use on Vekta>Refugees are gracefully given half of Vekta to live in and make something of themselves>They fuck it up and try stirring shit againThere is literally no downside for Total Helghan Death
>>735014108The Vita game actually did show good helghast. Showing more how their government is fucking them over but the people are not all bad at allthe PS4 game also shows the ISA as bad guys too, even if the writing is really clumsy because that game was closer to a tech demo than a real new title.
>>735014108the biggest issue with 3 is that it doesn't make itself clear enough that there's two Helghast faction in it. there's the regular ones and then there's the corporation ones. But their design is almost the same and they even share some units, so most people didn't really realized they are different.Had they gave them more unique design from each others, even if it was just something as small as a different eye colors, people would have get this better. they are supposed to be in conflict with each others too in an almost small inside war, but you don't actually see itthe PS4 game managed to handle this better showing the 3 Helghast factions (Police and Army, terrorist militia, Corporation remnants) even if the writing is still pretty badThat franchise as a whole is loads of cool ideas barely used
>>735011625That's what I always hated about this series. It felt like they were trying to put a twist on the classic story by having the "good guys" be the conquering invaders but they never really did anything to humanize the Helghast and they were always just generic evil guys with glowing red eyes.
>>735011625ISA are the niggers of outer space. In any other setting they would've been glassed back into the fucking stone age like the faggots they are. Humanity could move forth towards a brighter future without those faggots dragging everyone down.
I think one of the most interesting thing that people forget is that the ISA ISN'T the earth government. We barely know what the actual earth government is.We do know however that they are the one who asked for a cease fire and Helghast to be rescued on the planet in Shadow Fall instead of them dying on Helghan, but they pretty much stay far away from the conflict.
>>735011625Helghan has the right to defend itself
>>735017894The ISA still answers to the UCN, and the UCN still sent UCA reinforcements to retake Vekta when Visari invaded. They blundered right into Visari's trap with the SD Platform and were wiped out. With all those ships and men lost in record time, of course they kept out of the conflict in an official capacity, letting the semi-autonomous ISA try to get their revenge and then having to do some humanitarian aid when the ISA nuked the whole planet, lest all the colonies start getting the wrong idea.What we know is that when direct military intervention failed, the government of Earth quietly walked away and let the ISA act without oversight.
>>735011625>defending their homeland by committing rampant terrorism
>>735015034They invade Vekta because it used to belong to them
>>735011625Such is gaming
>>735020243Battletech is one of the rare settings where the good guys (Kurita) also get the coolest looking armor (mechs)
>>735012467>the plot of Shadowfall is how the ISA commander is actually a good guy for wanting to use a manufactured virus to kill the Helghan population while working with the bad guy from 3 to instigate the population to rise so he can justify the attack>Hulst got so mad people didn’t like the black commander he outright killed the franchise
>>735020758the game demonize that commander, how did you even get this from the game? he literally kill the main character and is killed in the post credit as revenge
>>735020243>BUSHIDO WE VERY HONOR>STAR LEAGUE BOZOS?! YEAH GAS EM!!!draconis KEKS
>>735011625Its illegal to defend your homeland from invasion; dumb goiym: You must die for israel globalist wet dream or else you are a muh evil nazi! (Even in da space; Joos want you to die for their ideals rather than you defending your own home.)
>>735020816They try really hard to show that Lucas made a bad decision by teaming up with Echo is a bad idea because the end result is still an assassination attempt made by her that likely results in another war. The message being that the alternative of just exterminating one side with a virus would have better than a war where both Helghans and Vektans are killed.
>>735020506Trvth. I suppose the Clans would be a better comparison to the Helghast. >>735020843>>STAR LEAGUE BOZOS?! YEAH GAS EM!!!Yes.
Didnt they steal the design from Jin Roh?
>>735021619Jin Roh stole that design from nazis, which the Helghast are based on
>>735012612Pic unrelated?
>>735017575>they never really did anything to humanize the Helghast and they were always just generic evil guysYou clearly never bothered to play these games, they make this point pretty clear in the first, third and shadow fall games that helghast are just as sympathetic as the “good guys”
>>735019375NA used to belong to native Americans. “Calling dibs” amounts to jack shit.
>>735021848They didn't steal that from nazis. Its literally just medieval armor with a stahlhelm it was a type of a helmet even prior nazis in use in Germany. But yeah, they had the nazi aesthetics otherwise in Jin-Roh because it was alt-history world where the Fascists took over proper. Its not stealing if its part of the lore.
>>735022098They are very clearly inspired by German WW2 uniform.
>>735021129“A virus” you mean a war waged with biological agents.I dunno how you look at the numbers at try to act like the viral outcome is the better. You’re basically praying for total genocide because any survivors are 100% excuses to virus-nuke in response.>buh buh no survivorsThere are always survivors. And they would retaliate in kind.I kinda understand why some people think that we should just nuke China “very quickly and bigly” and we’d suffer 0 repercussions.
>>735022321The gasmask+helmet maybe; the armor is a gothic/medieval suit of plate mail type of like armor.
>>735019375It was promised to them 3000 years ago
>>735011625The first game cinematic is them invading and murdering civilians.
>>735022460A lot of non-gen Z Chinese would be supportive of blowing up CPC China to make a new one that's not CPC ran and operated and those that lived in the west prior 10s definitely would welcome it and be set free from that communist hellhole. Even student protests are becoming a thing; Nobody will blink or cry for China anon.
>>735022572No it's more like Riot armour. Similar concept of course but more modern.
>>735022754That's modern vs what Jin-Roh's creator had seen back in the day holy shit anon. 1990s riot police did not have medieval looking shit you dumb fucker. That's RECENT.
>>735022901What you think that the police just waded into a riot without armour?
>>735012612>You don't get it bro I NEED to make another fat lesbian redhead game I NEED TO bro please just another fat lesbian redhead game only one more we will only make another one after that one please bro we are adding cripples and niggers now please bro only 4 more
>>735022943They mostly had padding and a police vest and a helmet, maybe some kevlar shields; Police were in comparison to today's schemes poorly equipped because people weren't so out of hand they needed a full modern SWAT type of get up to handle rioters. You don't know shit and you sound like you are Gen Z as you don't know what's what .
>>735023103Are you quite sure it's not specifically Chinese riot gear?
>>735022690You did not understand my post. It doesn’t matter how popular it is to nuke the X group. The point is: in both scenarios, it is clear the X group will still retaliate in an apocalyptic manner. There is no “easy” removal of the Helghan, and there is no “easy” removal of CCP. This is not kindergarten, both parties have and will use failsafe revenge devices that will most likely cause much more damage than a messy and painful, diplomatic approach.
>>735022605Helghan civilians too
>>735011625love the lore and have always stuck up for the series over the years, but they never got the story right for any of their games. played shadow fall recently and i can see why it killed the series desu. nonsensical story on top of clunky gameplay. it would've been perfect in someone else's hands.
>>735024921The executioner and executed both share the Helghast Elite model so I always took as meaning they purged the army of dissident officers
>>735012732This many be true. The IDF fucking suck and have diapers as part of their standard uniform.
I've been playing through all the games for the first time and this series is so fucking weird. 1 2 and 3 all feel like they were made by a dev team permanently frozen in 2004 and shadowfall feels like it was made by aliens trying to recreate human entertainment.
>>735027752when i played 1 remaster on ps3 i swear only the lmg nigga was worth playingthe first dudes assault rifle was usable but the lmg was the only GOOD weapon it felt like
>>735023682They'll retaliate how? Their tech barely works and they have a paper tiger army; The moment they get nuked "its go time" and they will have mutiny to execute their leader (Xi or otherwise) and they'll celebrate the hero that will do so. I only see deaths occurring from such an event as a net positive; not a negative. Better leaders and people shall emerge to replace those that die. Tree of liberty after all is fed by the blood of patriots and tyrants; Its natural manure.
>>735027945The helghast lmg is the only reliable gun in the first 3 games. GG was REALLY bad at weapon design
I still never played a Killzone game. Never even saw gameplay footage.Are they worth trying now?
>>735028213any game is worth playing on the PS THREE
>>735028336I've only purchased three games on the PS3.
killzone 1 to shadowfall was 9 yearsshadowfall came out 13 years ago
>>735029230at least we got horizon!honestly though i understand them not wanting to compete in the oversaturated first person shooter market
Can't Guerrilla give Killzone to a different studio and let us play as the Helghasts from start to finish? Let them keep their cybernetic dinosaurs.
>>735029924im surprised they never made a strategy spinoff or anythinglike 5 platforms of games and they chose fps every single time
>>735011717Did you forget that they were ordered to capture Visari but Rico chimped out and killed him instead?
>>735030003Same. A strategy game would be a good opportunity to retell the Vekta invasion of 1 just to give and example
>>735011625>Videogame writing is a jokeyou just figured that out? you never noticed that everyone calls them nazis?
>>735021619it's a creative coincidence. In an old interview for the first game they actually had concepted Helghans before jin roh .
>>735029297>>735029924It was saturated when the trilogy released, right now there's almost no release of FPS from AA/AAA studios compared to back then, especially if you exclude the big franchises like COD.Now would be the perfect time, but they won't do it because they don't want to be compared to real life events, and it be really easy to make comparisons.Sony also is adverse to touch their old franchises as they don't bring as much profit to them. And I assume they also don't want to touch the franchise when many people sympathize with the antagonist (at least for the regular people in the faction), which would be a "no-no" today due to their design (even if their ideology and goal aren't that similar to their design inspirations)
>>735015313Why does his face look like an angry Spurdo Sparde? Gondolazone looking mofo.
>>735021570What the fuck even is that?
>>735031392>Sony also is adverse to touch their old franchises as they don't bring as much profit to themYeah, better burn millions creating yet another failed Gaas. I hate this timeline
>>735031938Bro, your MAWLR from killzone?
Fucking LOVED the multiplayer in Killzone 2. Grinded that shit hard for the top 1% achievement back in the day.
>>735011625>bad writingbut it's literally how things are irl
>>735027752Killzone has the same problem as Resistance, where the multi-player was great for the time but the actual game was made by people who had no idea what they were doing
>>735034667resistance was too bulletspongeythere were multiple parts where i was just getting pissed off and i dont remember if they all had this issue but resistance 3 has a shit fucking ton of audio delay
>>735034787Killzone was the fucking king of bullet sponge enemies. A lot of those games did that though. It was a way to have fights last longer with fewer enemies on screen.
>>735011625yea, but their logo is red and ours is blue, so they are the bad guys
>>735022690>A lot of non-gen Z Chinese would be supportive of blowing up CPC ChinaJust like the Iranians are supportive of the USA right now?What the fuck is this mind-virus in Americans that tells you "Everyone will welcome us with open arms when we bomb the shit out of them."?
>>735028124>and they will have mutiny to execute their leader (Xi or otherwise) and they'll celebrate the hero that will do so.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Muammar_Gaddafi>Omran Shaban, the Misrata fighter who discovered Gaddafi in the drain pipe and who had posed in photos with his golden gun, was captured by Green Resistance soldiers in Bani Walid. He was then paralysed and severely tortured. The interim president of Libya secured his release, but he died from his wounds days later in France.[66][67]
>>735011625>tell the story of WW2 in a sci-fi setting and change the names>people sympathize with the bad guysthis really gets me thinking
>>735032218their failure waste them money, but their success bring them 10 times more money than games they did in the past. it's an unfortunate thing.>>735035817it's not really WW2, the Helghast take inspiration on their design from Germany and the Soviets, but it's mostly just for look and not their actual lore.
>>735029297I would rather take another single player fps than a shitty 3rd person live service co-op slop
>>735030149As any good IDF loyalist should
>>735035817I don’t recall Germans invading Germany in WW2 because they wanted to take back the land that was conquered by Israel in WW1
>>735012612The only things I remember about that game is that it used the ps4 touch pad gimmick and that the guy playing the E3 demo was trying so hard to play "cinematically" that he actually died
>>735038567>I don’t recall Germans invading Germany in WW2
Helghast are soulless monst--https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6cmzMy4_1E
Men will see these designs >>735011625and say "hell yeah"
