chaos are the true good guys of 40k
>>735012992Its orks actually
>>735012992I play Chaos and I don't agree.
>>735013441Shut up Belakor.
>>735012992Only Nurgle
>>735012992technically tyranids are just hungry boys
I know this is a joke but this exemplifies one of my biggest problems with 40kChaos Space Marines in 40k just have daddy issues and always talk about "liberation from the corpse emperor" or whatever the fuck.You know why Chaos Warriors worship Chaos in Fantasy? Because they're evil and want to kill things. A much better motivation for the literal SLAVES TO DARKNESS.
>>735012992she's hot so it's ok
>>735013828Most chaos space marines that aren't veterans from the horus heresy have long ago stopped caring. Granted, how many and how relevant those are varies. And many of them have a "I'm just using chaos" attitude.They are still slaves to darkness. They just tend to lie to themselves about it.
>>735013828Falling to Chaos is corruption of the soul. All Chaos Space Marines are evil, they didn't just make some purely rational decision to fight against the Imperium.
>>735013828No, they're a minute minority and they are ridiculed by their peers, like talos valcoran still seething about his daddy issues and inferiority complexes while every other night lord is just a juiced up alley rapist that wants to get rich so that they won't have to fight and risk to die again.
>>735012992how do Word Bearers cope with the fact that their genefather is a raped bitch LMAO
>>735013948glad someone said it, pretty girls can be ultra religious and still be pretty.
>>735012992>actively torture and massacre civilians for fun>giving your soul to the dark gods aren't empty words, once you die you WILL be tortured by daemons for eternitynah, they deserve to be purged>>735014125Talos is funny because he's the most retarded night lord around and that's something
>>735013982The Thousand Sons didnt make a choce. They were just chilling on their planet when the Wolves attacked them for no reason. The Emperor also caused the flesh change by making them badly and then wanted Magnus to kill them all and become Primarch of the Grey Knights. Magnus said no because he loved his sons. It comes from the idea that the Emperor is some kind of god but hes not, even the Imperium feeds chaos and many loyalists end up turning due to exposure like when Angron destroyed an artificial Astronomicon on the other side of the rift and its explosion mixed with Khornes energy turned an entire crusade fleet to Chaos minus any custodes who were with them. That means anyone regardless of their choices, virtues, or failings can be corrupted by chaos due to sheer exposure or being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
There isn’t enough guro/ryona art of the Sororitas
>>735014359I'd tie her up and force her to watch me kiss Yrliet the autist. With tongue.
>>735014451>when the Wolves attacked them for no reason.
>>73501382840k's biggest inspiration is Paradise Lost. I.e. where Satan and the fallen angels delude themselves into believing that they're righteous daddy issue rebels against God's tyranny, when in reality they're just assholes full of vice
>>735014518yrliet would kill youargenta would kill you
>>735013828Most Chaos Marines in the books and media hate the Imperium but don't actually have daddy issues, unless you count them hating their own Primarchs. Last book I read was Renegades: Harrowmaster about the Alpha Legion getting their scattered warbands back together to become a legion and actually have goals and objectives again. Dude gave a pretty righteous speech.Paraphrasing, it was "The Imperium shackles and limits humanity and has failed at its task of protecting them. The Imperium shall be destroyed and humanity given their own destiny again, and if they cannot survive without the Imperium to command them, then they do not deserve to survive at all."Just went full Anarchist about it, which was a cool angle for Chaos Marines.
>>735012992how many times must we have those threads, it's not like twitter where jeets are paid to post
>>735012992>buring>civilliansSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
>>735014935>he doesn't know that Alpha Legion is actually loyalist
Jokes aside the most 'good' faction is Craftworld Eldar
>>735012992It's a tie between deldar & tyranids.Eating animals to survive isn't evil, just a biological imperative.
>>735015540The Tyranids are objectively evil even from a scientific, biological perspective. The ethical and logical purpose of an organism is to keep the ecosystem stable through a cycle of reproduction and death, predator and prey The Tyranids being an alpha predator who relentlessly wipe out entire ecosystems like a grey goo scenario or supernova would be deemed cringe by evolution. What happens when they run out of food?
>>735013594Nurgle will give you a hug just so he can convince you the inevitable slow corruption and extinction of all life is le good
>>735015709>What happens when they run out of food?they eat each other until they reach a sustainable point or they get wiped outthe heat death of the universe will get us all in the end>The ethical and logical purpose of an organism is to keep the ecosystem stable through a cycle of reproduction and death, predator and preythat's human wishful thinking, life at its most basic is pure survival of the fittest, hence the tragedy of the commons
>>735015540It's acknowledged in setting that the Hive Mind is intelligent and aware of what it's doing. It simply doesn't care about the death and pain it causes.
>>735014786Correct. Still worth it.I think an Yrliet dummy would be enough.
>>735012992The space not-Pharaoh who can kill the bugs and shut down Chaos are the 'relatively good' guys.
>>735016024I didn't know that. Sources, please?Is it a recent'ish retcon or addition to the lore?
>>735016179The one who's currently having to fend off a civil war because it turns out he's a liar?
>>735014935>We shall purge Imperium of it's corruption and fix itSuspiciously loyalist
>>735013828From what i read of the lore, isn't following chaos literally the opposite of what they wanted? why even do it. Anyway 40k is kind of dumb.
>>735015540>tyranids aren't evil, they just wanna eat!Why would that matter? They delete whole subsectors so they must be killed
>>735016293>why even do itSunk cost fallacy, severe retardation or mindbroken into edgelord nihilists
>>735016234Wraithflight, from the 2014 campaign involving the Tyranid invasion of Baal.Iyanna Arienal 'sees' the Hive Mind in the Warp as an unimaginably large wyrm, and for a moment believes it to be so animalistic and primal that it could potentially be weaponized and pointed at Chaos. This causes her conciousness to drift a bit too close and unintentionally reach out to contact the Hive Mind via telepathy. It then opens an eye and 'looks' at her directly, immediately flooding her brain with images of Tyranids painfully torturing and killing her in thousands of different ways all in the span of an instant. It's such a potent 'message' that it knocks her out of her seat in real-space, causes her to vomit, and sends the entire Eldar fleet she's leading into shock and terror.
>>735016024I don't think you understand what you're saying here, this is basically the same thing as Cthulhu, or any other Lovecraftian being. Their minds are so incomprehensibly expansive, so unfathomably larger than ours, that, from their perspective, we aren't conscious, we aren't alive.Same with the Tyranid Hive Mind, comparing a human consciousness to it is like comparing the consciousness of a rock to that of a human. From it's perspective, we are amoeba, we are not even alive.
>>735014935>Alpha Legion>Chaos
>>735013828GK mog both, but CW > CSM.
>>735016537Thanks anon, I'll read it.
>>735016537I'm glad to see WH40K looked at the Starcraft 2 zerg campaign and realized that blizzard is too retarded to steal from.
>>735012992>*Spread the good word by slaughtering your family
>>735016696Bretonnia is infinitely less cool than the Empire tho
>>735015881>extinction of all lifeSo has GW just completely gone away from the (few) positive aspects of the Chaos Gods at this point because of their inability to resist sandblasting away even a hint of nuance in the setting?
>>735016767Sure, but Grail Knights are the closest thing Fantasy has to fucking Space Marines. Which makes Brettonia even more lame, but still.
>>735016386Its 40k, everyone is an edgelord nihilist
>>735016815I'm pretty sure that happened around 5th edition already
>>735014935Isn't the Alpha Legion actually loyalist? I'm Alpharius btw.
>>735013828Couldn't be me.
>>735017080IhatemyphoneIhatemyphoneIhatemyphoneIhatemyphone
>>735014479
>>735014935It tends to be;>Black LegionDaddy Issues>Iron WarriorsDaddy Issues>Alpha LegionAbsentee leadeship, zero cohesion between cells>Night LordsDaddy Issue>Death GuardDaddy Issues>Thousand SonsDaddy Issues>World EatersDaddy Issues>Emperor's ChildrenDRUGS>Word BearersThey got over their daddy issues by finding religion and violence.
>>735017125I'm gonna say it. The bat wing motif is stupid.
>>735016815I mean it makes sense. The 40k era cant go on forever man
>>735013828>You know why Chaos Warriors worship Chaos in Fantasy?It's the only way to survive in that frozen, warp-infested shithole they live in.
>>735016640>we aren't conscious, we aren't aliveThis is quite literally irrelevant. We know trees, crops and soil aren't sentient yet we are aware of the concept of exhausting natural resources upon which we depend.
>>735016983>everyone is an edgelord nihilistThe true faithful are optimists that know for a certainty that the emperor shall rise once again and grant salvation to all mankind.
>>735017420Except we don't have the capacity to travel intergalactic distances and get literally nigh-infinite resources.
>>735017383>The 40k era cant go on foreverEverything since and including Cadia's fall has been a mistake
>>735017383It can. It should. It must.
I love Chaos so much bros
>Horus Heresy ends>GW immediately announces Horus Heresy 2>Within a year they then announce there will be more Horus Heresy 1 booksI'm tired, lads.
>>735017213>Iron warriorsResentfull in general.>night lordsWere always batshit.
>>735017656I know for a fact we're going to see a 30 part gay soap opera drama about the war in heaven in a few years that will completely ruin the entire thing and remove all the cool mystery surrounding it.And they'll have some stupid retarded retcon about how the emperor is actually one of the old ones reincarnated or whatever the fuck.
>>735015881>extinction of all life is le goodNah. There are sects in Nurgle's followers that believe this but most of them don't. His schtick always has been eternal life, constancy which is in stark contrast to tzeentch's obsession with change.
>>735017010by my own headcanon the alpha legion is currently split into three groups: the fully fledged chaos madmen that just gave up and became like the rest of their spiky ilk, the loyalist who conduct a secret war against them, and the nutral-ish faction more interested in shady stuff like recovering xeno tech and finding new exotic ways to resurrect the emperor or whatever.
>>735017731They won't touch the War In Heaven because they can't easily add Marines to it to focus on.
>>735016640The Hive Mind is actively malevolent as well. It knows how to inflict terror on it's prey and chooses to do it if it furthers it's aims.
>>735017664Iron Warriors are resentful because Perturabo had daddy issues.Night Lords are crazy because Kurze was crazy, therefore daddy issues.
>>735017731War In Heaven involves the Eldar and them being in arguably quite leading and ultimately victorious role in that whole affair, so rest assurred, GW will never, ever touch it.
>>735014451>when the wolves attacks them do no reason
>>735017851Again, from the perspective of the Hive Mind, it's doing all these things to basically inanimate objects. Inflicting terror on us is, in it's mind, on the same level as using a chemical to soften the rock around a material you want to mine. That's what we are to it, rocks and sand.
>>735017890Good. Eldar should be raped and decapitated.
>>735012992Calth is justice
For me, it’s the Sons of Malice
>>735017213Nah for the black legion it was erebus that mindraped horus taimanin asagi style into having schizophrenia, dude was spazzing in and out for the whole heresy, as for iron warriors they were high on their own supply thinking that they knew it better than others, the world eaters had daddy issues but with angron, night lords just joined cuz it was funnier and they rest yeah, it was daddy issues, magnus being the most reasonable for turning and mortarion being the biggest unreasonable fag of all, even his own sons don't respect him.
>>735012992Chaos; no. Lorgar; maybe.The best ending to the setting would be Lorgar saving humanity by setting in motion the events that lead to the Emperor's ascension as a deity that can defeat the powers of chaos, the warp gods of eldar, the c'tan, and so on. I think this was actually the intention, at least with the earlier lore; but new writers are awful and the setting should never end, so it should be one of those things that is just hinted at.
>>735017890The eldar only won because the necrons began infighting after getting rid of the old ones and imprisoning the c'tan.
>>735017942i want to suck fulgrim's dick and slather his perfect twink abs in saliva while massaging his balls with my dick cage, no homo
>>735018043Nice copium
>>735017890>>735018043>entire novel series would have the eldar lose battle after battle but end on a technical victory for them after they get humiliated for 30 books straightSounds appropriate.
>>735013828"I'm just so le hecking evil I wanna do bad things >:)"That is the gayest fucking reasoning ever.
>>735017739Eternal life in ever growing slow and insidious rot is not life. Chaos corrupts all influences by it and just because they believe it doesnt make it true. That being said I'll still take nurgel over khorne
>>735012992I know this is a meme but>chaos>humbleReally? You couldn't come up with literally any other adjective?
>>735018121Anon they look like this
>>735014451Pretty sure any marine that chose to remain loyal was killed off. Leaving only the traitors.
>>735018121>I jus wanna do hoodrat things wif my fwens-Chaos from the very beginning
>>735018161I actually think it'd be pretty cool being a rotting abomination that strikes dread revulsion into the hearts of any who look upon me. God I wish Nurgle was real.
>>735018096He's not coping.The Necrons smashed rhe Krorks, massacred the Old Ones, and then shattered the C'tan. They knocked out the three biggest threats in the galacy back to back, and only THEN were the Eldar considered a significant threat. They could hage destroyed the Eldar as well and were going to do so, until Orikan divined the Fall of the Eldar and that it would be less costly to simply wait out for the Eldar to destroy themselves.Meanwhile the main objective of the Eldar was to protect the Old Ones, which they failed as miserably.
>>735018161>just because they believe it doesnt make it trueThat's how the warp works though. Belief manifests into reality provided the psychic power is potent enough.
>>735015709If that were true then animals would never destabilize ecosystems by over reproducing/consuming. Yet this happens often, (especially due to human intervention). The animals don't just decide "hey there's too many of us and too little of our food, lets cut back a bit". They just keep consuming till there's nothing left, and then start dying.
>>735018330Sounds like a lot of cope to me.
Would (you) be a plague marine anon?
>>735017010>Isn't the Alpha Legion actually loyalist?No, Alpharius and Omegon got duped by Eldar thinking that destroying the Imperium would somehow save it. The Cabal are a bunch of retards who thought that Chaos would collapse in on itself and the Eldar would be able to rise again.Both Alpharius and Omegon died thinking this dumb shit
>>735018096The Necrons have always had the power to destroy the galaxy easily.
>>735018401Alpharius never died. It was a trick by Malcador's immense clanging balls
>>735018396Yes. I'd be the guy with the fly head.
>>735018396>can shid constantly and doesnt need to wipeCount me in.
>>735018096Eldarfags are on the same level as Imperiumfags, only more contrarian.Both are a mere footnote in the history of the Infinite Empire.
>>735016537Sounds like a psychic defense mechanism. Could still very well be more of a biological imperative response than a conscious "we want to cause pain and death". No different than any other animals way of saying "GO AWAY I AM DANGEROUS, LOOK AT MY BRIGHT COLORS (poison) OR MY SHARP TEETH" to protect themselves from injury or other predators. But a psychic version of that.
>>735015709That's not how anything works.>What exactly?Anything. It's too many areas where you have a misconception in, like e.g. how biological circumstances don't inform valid ethical systems, or how nature actually is NOT in balance.It's too much. Ask an AI to analyze your post.
>>735018331I am aware but they better start believing life's gonna be good after everything in real space is dead
>>735013828In 40k worshipping Chaos just makes sense. The Gods are real and they are growing stronger, might as well serve them and reap the benefits which if you're good can include literally being made a lesser god yourself.On the other end you have a guy who is a die hard atheist in a universe where literal gods exist
>>735018475>a trickNah he had one of the brutal deaths that any Primarch had
>>735017420To a Tyrannid, one planet is like 1 tree though.
>>735018396Why not. People already avoid me.
>>735018506Eldarfags are funny. They constantly defend a faction that's never even won a major battle, gets constantly belittled and beaten on by GW itself, and still they try to act as though they're a big deal.
>>735014402It used to be everyone got their souls torn apart by demons after death.
>>735018557That's the thing. They do abide by a set of rules. They can't will whatever they want into fruition. For example you can control daemons if you know their real name. The emperor figured it out and started exploiting it, that's why he became called the anathema.
>>735018182That looks sick though.>>735018256Each one has a goal and their methods are not beneficial to everyone else but themselves. Even if you don't agree with it, it's better than "I'm just such a baddie boy, I do bad things because that's what bad guys do"
>>735018396Plague marines do look cool as shit
>>735018161>just because they believe it doesnt make it true.Considering the emperor is a god now(apparently), yes if they believe it it becomes true.
I fucking love the emperor so much that it is unreal bros.
>>735018392Necron are literally restarting at former strength, meanwhile Eldar are very obviously dying out and ever plan they ever hatch fucks up and gets even more of them killed.
>>735016962Thankfully Age of Sigmar corrected this by adding actual fantasy space mehrines.
>>735018121That’s based though, why do you feel the need to justify everything you do?
not gonna lie my fantasy of 40k warhammer is just about creating the ultimate super army of the different imperial armies, so insanely large that nobody can beat it because there are just too many different forces, like an unstoppable tidetoo bad the games and tabletop never reflect this in earnest
>>735018657They're the faction that can wipe the galaxy in a splitsecond because they have acess to dark age technology, their only problem is that they're stuck with tardwrangling the other cuck races because otherwise they wouldn't be able to enjoy the spoils, SHOW SOME RESPECT MON'KEIGH
>>735018939It's funny to me how Stormcast have been changed over time to be less Marine-y.
>>735018657You just outed yourself as the resident retard that seethes about the Eldar in every thread they are mentioned.
>>735019039They were just extremely blatant about it to the point of just making anyone that saw them groan.
>>735018927Nigga the Necrons are all kinds of fucked up due to the long sleep. Do you even read their fucking lore? They are a pale shadow of their former strenght. Tons of tomb worlds are malfunctional and broken with their lords fucking nuts, demented and insane, or corrupted by the flayer virus or alternatively succumbed to the destroyer cult. Necrons are not in any way tip top shape.
>>735019139they got butthurt by everybody calling them "sigmarines", the funniest thing is, they don't sell that well compared to other factions
>>735019143to be quite absolutely honest with youI don't read nucron lorefor me necrons are those soulless machines that have arisen from their dark tombs to destroy all lifethis is a /v/ board by the way and on /v/, dawn of /v/ar is king of lore
So since it's a 40k thread what is the community thoughts over the heretical drawings of Idiot of the East and how he made Slaneesh a cute uwuu waifu for the masses?
>>735018096I love the design of the Avatar of Khaine. It is gigakino
>>735019257So you are a retarded secondary posting your uninformed opinions about 40k lore as facts.
>>735019357>t. butthurt because nu-lore is shit
>>735018538If that anon had given complete information, or stated it better, he would have made clear she also sense only intense hatred, malice, and awareness from the hive mind. It wasn't just a defense mechanism. The Tyranid hive mind is aware, it hates you, and it wants to eat you knowing it will be painful for you.
>>735019229If I wanted blue and gold I'd just buy ultramarines
>>735019357you're the secondary, I'm a PC gamer master race
>>735019357this is a video game board sis
>>735019357>Tabletop quinary seethingEvery time
>>735019531I play both 40k vidya and collect minis actually. I am primary as fuck.
>>735019585>collect minisYep, secondary
>>735014451>The Emperor also caused the flesh change by making them badlyTzeentchian worshipper go home. It is made absolutely clear that the flesh change was a long game "Just as planned" from Tzeentch. Tzeentch even fooled Magnus into thinking it was benevolent, which caused Magnus to completely disregard the Emperor and go, "The Emperor, who is far older and more experienced than me, doesn't know shit about the warp, these things are gentle like old Earth blue whales!" There is a reason the Flesh Change actually intensified shortly after Magnus was found, and then calmed for a brief period after Magnus started making Warp deals, but then exploded again conveniently right after Magnus fucked the pooch by defying the Emperor's order to not do any Chaos Witchery while the "gentle Blue Whale of the Warp" laughed its ass off in Magnus' face.Magnus was a stupid retard who deserved everything that came to him and more.
>>735019469It's double funny how they botched it because Stormcast can look good. In like every other EXEPT the default colourcheme. Fuck even the Old FatCasts
>>735015881You had me at "will give you a hug"How many times are you gonna get one of them in the grimdankness of forty keks?
>>735019712Eh.Helmets are still too goofy and the proportions are still too bulky.
>>735017474>>735018607The age of exploration had people thinking the resources of this world are near infinite too yet not even half a millennium later we're on the verge of having absolutely fucked ourselves. idk would kind of expect better foresight from a species whose intellect is supposedly far beyond human comprehension.
>>735019712It really is kinda crazy how they look good any way except the gold/blueI had a GW store near me who had their demo set painted silver, and when I asked if that waa goinf to be the norm going forward he outright looked disappointed saying no.
>>735019712they'd look better if their armor was more medieval imo
>>735019969TouchéNever said the old models were Good. New ones are way better and much more conversion friendly. Sometimes a Simple head swap is all it takes.
>>735018121You don't understand chaos if you can't fathom doing things for their own sake.
Word Bearers are the only CSM that will mourn and bury their fallen brothers.They're also the least mutated Marines out of all CSM and Loyalists.Aka, they're the good guys.
>>735019679The Emperor not warning his psyker son about the evil psyker eating older-than-the-earth daemons was double retarded."Nobody can know anything about chaos, the best way to avoid being subverted by the subvert everything faction is total ignorance"
>>735020132I can accept one guy in a platoon being this big Henry Massif guy who needs to be twice as large as everyone else.But an entire army of them? No thanks, sounds like eugenics bullshit.
>>735017890>War In HeavenIn Eldar's record said they "won" but from Necron point of view there was almost nothing left to rule that's why they go in long sleep. This aren't add in up.
>>735017428Isnt in game the Emperor not what he is claimed to be and even he didn't claim to be and in reality its all a huge game of telephone
>>735020329>least mutated>willingly get possessedwhich jewtuber gave you this false information?
>>735020329They also have the most fun.
>>735020584Why is this thing so edgy?
>>735020584hot
I dont think Lucius is evil
>>735018746>That looks sick though.I agree, but does THAT look like someone who has complex motivations for being evil?
>>735020671in the Grim Darkness of the 42nd redpillenium they have eradicated all traces of irony poisoning
>>735020584>flesh debasedLOOD!!
Mork>GorkFITE ME
>>735018575the vast majority of chaos followers live in abject terror and painthe only remotely reasonable option for worshipping chaos is in those remote tribes that worship a severely misunderstood and lite aspect of a chaos god, or in a majority imperial-controlled world, where non-retarded chaos worshippers unironically are safe from the worst bits of chaos only because imperial law keeps the world safe around them
>>735020578Uh... the CSM codex. I don't watch 40k youtubers about lore.It's why WBs got more Legionnaries than they had in the HH, they have less aspirants die when getting implanted, and their gene-seed lasts for longer. It's hinted that the dark Gods avoid mutating them due to the irony of having the most hardcore worshippers being the purest in body.
All the imperium have to do is to Trick the ork boyz into that "If the emperor ressurects the biggest WAAGH in history can begin" then their ork mushrom magic will ressurect Big E
>>735020373hey with them you can onl ygo bigger.And they all have helmet options. Not like a high model count army which has way too much details for mainline units. And they don't all have closed helmet options so you are stuck painting a lot of models for a long time. And their Faction leader on Manticore DOESN'T HAVE A GENERIC OPTION.Yea I don't like CoS.
>>735020875>the vast majority of chaos followers live in abject terror and painSkill issue
>>735020584NOOOOOOOOO RAPE DOESN'T EXIST IN 40K
>>735020815fuk u you faggit Gork no difs Mork any day
>>735020671Word Bearers are the biggest hipster edgelords in the galaxy
>>735020875>imperial law keeps the world safelol, lmao even
>>735020905The level of waaaagh it would take to warp shit to that degree would be an existential threat that makes tyranids look pathetic.
>>735020329shut up erebus
>>735020875this is why you go Nurgle. Yea you stink and the bugs have made a Nice nest inside your left buttock. But you don;t feel it so fuck it.
>>735020905They'd sooner resurrect Yarrick, big E is a nothingburger compared to him.
can't we have for once, just once, a competent and proactive planetary governor, instead of the usual dime-a-dozen baron von harkonnen who's too fat and stupid and corrupt to be of any use?
>>735020671because [[that bitch]] rejected me when I asked her out to prom!
>>735020875>imperial law keeps the world safe around them
SPESS MEHREENS!TO AAAARMS!!!
Reminder that had it been him instead of Horus, there'd be no 40k.He wouldn't have died like a bitch.
>>735020671because it's 40k you pussy ass bitch faggot, go back
The Necrons are the real endgame threat
>>735021125Derosa?
>>735021182ᠽᠠ
>>735020743Loyalists have skulls all over the damn place, some loyalists look more intimidating/edgy than Chaos. Appearance doesn't really say much in this universe.
>>735021072>Nurglite get cut off from the warp>Suddenly experiences mind shattering pain and torment that they'll never fully recover from mentally Papa knows best.
>>735021210He almost died to a hopped up bl*ck orc with a rusty axeIf they didn't forget about Skarsnik he would've had the cunnin' to be behind him and stab the finishing blow
>>735020584WTF, I thought I had to join Emperor's Children to rape, you're telling me I've been scammed and all those hazing rituals in the barracks weren't necessary?
Fuck Erebus
>>735021343the forbidden Erebussy...
>>735021125Anon, first and foremost the Imperium is an imperium. The sole purpose of an imperium is to facilitate a system of tolerable unity and loyalty toward central authority by giving corrupt fuckers exactly what they want: power, near-autonomy and exemption from the actual laws of the land.
>>735021213>That imageIt's so funny to think that the iron warriors are not the main bad guys from the chaos side. The black legion wishes it came up with the bullshit iw's do. Peter turbo being the one carrying the Seige of Terra is still funny to me.
>>735018575>On the other end you have a guy who is a die hard atheist in a universe where literal gods existthey literally can't do anything to you if you don't believe in them
>>735021213I still find it funny how WH40 people threw a hissy fit over Mossa and Celestial Fang for drawing edgy shit so much they left the fandom. A fans of a universe where Daemonculaba exists!I hate Redditors so much it's unreal.
>>735021313He did get fucked up in the original, then they literally wrote it out of the story alongside lizardmen and everyone that isn't the Empire, the Elves, and Nagash.
>>735021179>>735021013>hurf durf heil cha-CK>*proceeds to get raped by a billion rusty cleavers/tentacles/plagues/conundrums*
>>735020671That's from Dark Creed, the last book in the Word Bearers trilogy from the early 2000s.All three are unabashedly edgy and at times seem to make fun of the whole 'noble heroes' shtick the Imperium sometimes gets by making the Word Bearers even more abhorrently horrific monsters.
>>735021547What? Yes, they can. You can't just disbelieve a daemon to death. If you have a soul, they can affect you. You can fully disbelieve them and they'll still gut you. They are thoughtforms, but they are EVERYBODY'S thoughtforms, including the dead.
>>735021568yet they were fine with shit like the ones you posted, actually know the artist got bullied out
>>735021547they sure can
>>735021547>the bloodthirster won't skewer you if you don't believe in it!!sounds like in universe imperial propaganda.
>>735021575If you lived in space India you'd pick the cleaver route too. Although in Nurgle's case you'd just focus on making space India worse.
>>735021448>It's so funny to think that the iron warriors are not the main bad guys from the chaos side. The black legion wishes it came up with the bullshit iw's do. Peter turbo being the one carrying the Seige of Terra is still funny to me.Iron Warriors are a bunch of failures.Word Bearers made Daemon Engines first, and make them better.Perturabo 'carried' the Traitors into a complete failure and defeat.Iron Warriors are just as bad as Black Legion when it comes to sucking their Primarch's dick while pretending not to.
>>735013828t. Has never read Warhammer Fantasy -fluff
>>735021760I'm not wrong tho.Yes, the original Norscans/Kurgans/Hung were just placed in a really really really shitty situation(by Chaos) and basically forced to worship Chaos. But over the thousands of years their "civilizations" have been influenced by the Dark Gods, they are now, on a personal level, perfect slaves to the Ruinous Powers, and as evil and depraved as their Daemonic Masters.
>>735020671because 40k was written and designed for 11 year olds
>>735021725>Fear not Guardsman, the so-called "Daemons" are merely hallucinations and audio-visual trickery conjured up by heretics. Quoting choice passages from the Lectitio Divinatus and firmly denying their existence should be enough to dispel even the most imposing of apparitions!
>>735013828Fantasy just mogs 40k full stop
>>735022147gross
>>7350216501. Thinking that ADMECH would care abaut consent is retarded.2. Doxing and contacting someones school over the art you did not like is Plainly retarded.
If the Chaos Gods in 40k and Fantasy/AoS are the same, then why do the metaphysics surrounding them work so differently?Like, 40k CGs exist entirely because of Mortal emotions, whereas Fantasy Chaos Gods seem to exist independently of us, and are only merely empowered by our emotions that align with their respective fields.So it's a weird connundrum where on the one hand GW claims they're the same thing but on the other they work very differently, and that's not even going into shit like the Great Horned Rat or Hashut.So, which is it?
>>735022252Oh that's why? I thought it was they drew weird femboy garbage
>>735022261They're not the same.
>>735021646I don't believe any of that
>>735022307because* they drew
>>735022342Then why does GW insist they are
>>735022356not him, will still rip you a new one dude lol
>>735022365>>735022307Also they Harrased SODAZ because of some trivial BS so he too left the Fandom. I guess good ridance since his Fallout Animation was...Ok.
>>735022261Seeing as they always refer to their shenanigans as The Great Game, their existence is probably whatever they want. Might even be sandbagging in the 40kverse with the belief power nonsense because it's too easy otherwise.Besides, some daemons only work with certain backstories. The Blue Scribes only make sense if you use the fantasy backstory for Tzeentch where he was king shit of chaos before being shattered, rather than growing slowly in the warp among the others like in 40k.
>>735022252If you draw guro, you should be put down.
>>735022603Right, but wouldn't that imply that shit like the Dark King is 10000% cope because the Chaos Gods operate on a level literally infinitely grander than the 40k setting?
>>735022461I don't think so
>>735022378Because they want to imply the existence of some sort of multiverse where Fantasy, AoS and 40k exist simultaneously but pussyfoot around it, with just some vague implications that the Realm of Chaos and the Warp are the same thing
>>735022721ok i am not doing this
>>735021568The 40k fandom is more confusing then the WarpThey hate and love everything at the same timeThey want to gatekeep as hard as they can but also want to welcome new people into 40k
>>735022693Like I said, they're sandbagging. You can still lose a game that you set up yourself.
>>735022615I dont think killing every 40k artist and writer is a good idea
>>735012992What a cancerous style.
>>735022893which?
>>735022774Which Chaos God would make the best GM? Which Chaos God would make the best player?
>>735022750it's simple they want...As much as i hate the word. Safe EdgyThe characters might be called bad but they canot be shown doing actualy bad things. Characters cannot rape, Say racial slurs, or be actually apathetic to suffering, even that of animals. The bad guys cannot be bad.
Get off my property
>>735022147Well yes, obviously, literally everyone knows this.I have never met someone who, after spending a considerable time with both settings, hasn't agreed with the idea that Fantasy is way better.
They should've never pushed AoS through and just made the Stormcast lad a named character in Fantasy.
>>735021568Does mossa still draw stuff or is he still in hiding over the witch hunt the plebbitors enacted on him.
>>735023239why? writing?
>>735022750There are two factions of warhammer fandom, one is grognards and hate everything that isnt old warhammer and will pretend you dont exist if you create content they dont agree with, and the other is discord trannies that hate everything that is old warhammer and will try to remove you from the world if you create content they dont agree with.
>>735023239Personally I think that the Eldar and Dark Eldar have superior lore and aesthetics over their fantasy counterparts. The Fantasy elves just look fucking dumb and I find the whole "eternal bitter blood enemies" dynamic between them less interesting than the dynamic between Dark Eldar and the Craftworld Eldar, where they are more like estranged relatives that dislike each other but hate everyone else in the galaxy more. That dynamic enables far more interesting interplay between the factions whereas the only real interplay between Dark Elves and The High Elves is just warfare.
>>735023234They got to keep it polite to some level but most of the W40K races and species are basically just racist stereotypes in the most morbid british dry humor fashion. Orks are just 80s british black and muslim gangsters for example in London; Cockney accent, ugly as sin, awful temper and only cared about violence. Too dumb to realize their own potential. They reproduce by blowing up and there's always more of them where that came from all of a sudden the moment you kill one of them for example. T'au are HR karens who hate loud music (metal/rock/punk etc) and are blue haired communists fighting for "the greater good." Etc. It all checks out if you aren't too blind to the stereotypes.
>>73502343040k elves are more interesting than fantasy elves because 40k is more interesting than borehammer fagtasy.40k elves suck because GW hasn't let them do anything in over 10 years
>>735023321aperentaly he still does art. Even a 40K one. Pic realted is from a Month ago.
>>735013828Chaos has always been better in Fantasy and AoS.Chaos in 40k just becomes silly after a while.
>>735023582what could they possibly be trying to study
>>735023582what are they doing?
>>735023679>>735023680Creating a perpetual energy machine.
>>735023393Fantasy isn't ridiculous and juvenile like 40k. It's kind of like comparing Diablo II lore to Diablo III lore, with the only advantage of 40k being so old that nobody who gets into it is even aware of how stupidly insincere it frequently gets.Mind you Fantasy had its share of duds as well.
>>735023774but goofy stuff are fun
>>735023853no fun allowed comes from that w40k meme.
Any good books about Chaos?
>>735014451>and then, for absolutely no reason at all...
>>735023774>It's kind of like comparing Diablo II lore to Diablo III loreDoes this also apply to gameplay? Is 40k really that much better?
>>735023752Do people not know how cats turn to land on their paws or something? They swivel their moments of inertia by contracting and extending their bodies. Can't be done without energy.
>>735023958Apparently the gist is;>W40K wargame is better.>WH-Fantasy has the better roleplaying system.Just how shit lands I suppose.
>>735023958What? No on both counts, lol implying D3 gameplay is better than D2.
>>735020329I love killing those fuckers in RT.
>>735024018It's a meme you diphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8yW5cyXXRc
>>735023752oooooh the down sided toast and cat flipping thing lolnot funny
>>735024096Stupid meme. "Magnets" tier.
>>735024079>implyingIt's the truth though, D2 is shit>>735024046Thank you for explaining, now I understand why fantasyfags always had an inferiority complex
>>735023774Nobody cares about your DEI game that was only revived to sell chinese models
>>735023752Anon, that's heresy.
>>735024046Not reallyTOW/WHFB is not really comparable to 40k, one is a melee focused rank and file game with square bases, the other is a shooting game with 360 movement and round bases. One(Fantasy) is a lot more complicated with more shit to keep track of but with the benefit of way more customization, the other is simpler, easier to learn but also generally more restrictive. Different strokes.As for the ttrpgs, wfrp is, I'd say, equivalent in quality to RT and DH, it's just a matter of which setting you prefer.
>>735023774Fantasy IS ridiculous and juvenile, frequently. But they do it on purpose. 40k used to be openly rediculous and juvenile, but has traded it for that specific kind of cringeworthy seriousness you get out of the very worst of young adult literature. In Fantasy, Baron von Germ Man fights Duke Frenchie over a tiny fucking land dispute for 100 square feet of forest and kills regiments of people to do it, only for the Wood Elves to kill them both after noticing the giant war in their sacred forest. The Elf King calls a dwarf ugly and short and shaves his beard, 30 million die in the resultant war.
>>735023153I'm a forever GM and I can tell you all of the gods would be awful players at the table>Khorne is an unrepentant murderhobo who will turn everything into a combat encounter and yes that includes PvP, only builds his character around combat and will loudly complain when the party isn't fighting, insists killing random NPCs is a 'downtime activity'>Tzeentch is a lolsorandum faggot doing things that make no sense, makes decisions based on coin flips and will try to peek at your notes, any negative things that happen to his character are smugly dismissed as 'part of his plan'>Slaanesh is a metagaming dipshit who will build his character as perfectly as possible, insist everybody else do the same and has long, indulgent (E)RP sessions by himself that take at least an hour, may actually jerk one out underneath the table>Nurgle is always late, always smells like shit, barely contributes at the table, takes at least ten minutes to make a decision on what to do in combat, will get up every half an hour to take a dump but you swear he's just doing them in his pants
>>735023930Lords of Silence, Unification and Endurance are solid picks if you’re a nurgelfag. Night Lord trilogy is a must read.
>>735023774the felix novels are great, ulrika novels are okthe genevieve vampire novels are also great, and are a fun fantasy escape
>>735017362Fuck you pleb, it's sick
>>735023582Imperium Techno Monkeys will never not be funny to me
>>735023853Most of the time it's not goofy, because goofiness is sincere. More often it's just repetition of absurdist tropes that the writers have no intention of taking seriously.
>>735024192You have no idea how soulful what you described is.
>>735024258>ulrika novels are okNo, they're not.>the felix novels are greatOnly Skavenslayer.
>>735024196Tzeenetch is the only one that could even remotely be capable being a GM and running an actual campaign tho, though it would be the most convoluted bullshit you'd ever partake in. Khorne as a GM would just be an endless combat session, even assuming he'd have the patience to run something where he himself doesn't get to partake in the fighting, Slaanesh would just have some lavicious ERP session/orgy and Nurgle would be too lazy to get his notes together for the campaign.
>>735023930Night Lord trilogy
>>735024192>they do it on purposeYou have it backwards. Fantasy is good because it's natural and sincere and 40k is synthetic and insincere.My source is that I imagined it to be so.
>>735024398I know, it's why Fantasy is so good. They balance the aspects of the setting. It's goofy, it's serious, it's fun, it's tragic, etc etc. It's also just less of a pointless, hopeless slog that 40k is.>oooh chaos is always gonna win, the universe is going to die, fifty billion trillion people just got fed to the grinder because dark lord shitwipe won in the neverheardofit sectorWho gives a shit. I can't point to any of this on a map. Pre end-times, good and evil were trading blows effectively in Fantasy, and High Elves and Lizardmen would frequently fucking humiliate chaos.
>>735024580"Natural" is still purposeful.
>>735024634I mean, even pre end times fantasy still felt like a doomed world where chaos would eventually win, but maybe that's just me.
>>735024460You're rightTzeentch would be an annoying dick but he'd at least run sessions, they might even end up being enjoyable
>>73502463440k is getting laughed at by fucking sentient emotions
>>735024736Fantasy's tabletop setting took place during an upturn of every single major faction, including the order factions. Everyone was getting their shit together and it was anyone's game. Hell, in the original, now overwritten ending, chaos failed forward for an entire invasion campaign before Archaon got stomped to death by Grimgor, who then left elsewhere for his next fight.
>>735022261They work the same Anon, so much so that after End Times they literally disapper from reality because there isn't enough emotions to feed them, making early Age of Myth the only Warhammer setting without Chaos
>>735024136Don't diss the power of miracles
>>735024947They don't disappear, they explicitly get bored and leave. Hell, they even send Archaon to other worlds so he can destroy those too.
>>735022261They wanted to rip off moorcock multiverse but didn't have good enough writers to make it make sense. Many such cases.
>>735023916It's a sonic meme you dip
>>735025312Immediately turning Fantasy into the world's gayest and least thought out multivierse just for some fucking copywritable names has made me hate GW forever.
>>735022736AoS threw a big wrench into that by having Slaanesh be beaten up by three god elves
I can't bring myself to read anything about the Night Lords because they seem to be humongous faggots
>>735025584Because boobies bad
>>735025591Everyone in 40k is a humongous faggot.
>>735025312Just because they aren't obliterated doesn't mean they don't diappear. They can't maintain presence based on nothing and are forced out and need to force themselves in once the conditions are right.Archaon's whole wfb plot was about forcing them out not knowing they just go back to where they came from instead of dieing with the world
>>735017931Then the hive mind is retarded, simple as, I really hate how people try to go out of their way to justify "alien minds" when in reality they are just retarded machines with 0 thought.>hivemind so advanced it won't or can't understand how other lifeforms function or existactually retarded
>>735013828I honestly can't take Chaos in 40k seriously for the pure and simple fact that their psychosis, over the top evilness, and the sheer factors that drive individuals to Chaos begs the question of how their logistical chains even work.Seriously, I want you to try to picture some chaos cultist who turned to the dark side for power and glory and to throw off his shackles from the lying Imperium measuring gunpowder and making bolter rounds for demon looking dudes who are just as likely to kill you as their enemies. I want you to imagine Khornite chaos warbands trying to arrange for raw metal shipments so they can repair damaged warships with other deranged retards screaming about blood and skulls and meeting up for the handoff. Try to picture Warpsmiths performing routine maintenance on Rhinos and chaos administrators counting weapon stores.Given how Chaos is portrayed in most media (10e Chaos rulebook, the RTS games, the fucking tv series), I just can't picture any of this. Say what you will about the Imperium and its lack of understanding of their technology, but at least there is an order and structure there that is simply required for any organized fighting force to exist, and at least Norscans can skirt by on being literal viking raiders. I can't picture any member of Chaos performing the necessary logistical efforts to support a functional futuristic fighting force. I just can't, and the setting itself does nothing to assist my imagination, so it just comes off as "dude just turn off your brain bro," which I refuse to do just so retards can tell retarded stories about retarded fallen angels in space.
>>735026014Are you retarded? The Hive Mind understands us perfectly well, it just doesn't view us as anywhere near "alive". To it, our resistance against it is equivalent to the resistance an inanimate object puts to being shattered, it's something it has to go through, sure, but it doesn't imagine it as the struggle of intelligent life, because, to it, we are not intelligent life.
>>735025850Archaon is written like dogshit in a setting where explicitly the creators of the world were aliens and obviously one single world dying wouldn't kill chaos that exists in an inhabited universe.
>>735012992The Imperium is just a rotting corpse
>>735025406It was a multiverse since the realm of chaos book.
>>735026128You're fundamentally misunderstanding them, they literally have 0 thought, they are spreading biomass throughout the universe because they want to eat and reproduce, they are literally just an anthill, they are retarded insects that don't know how to think ahead and simply exist, chaos can't even do much to them because of how RETARDED and MINDLESS these things are.
>>735013618Dey din got no brekfast in tha mornin them imperim is shootin dey nid brothas cuz dey raycest
>>735023752Funny thing is a tech priest already figured that out, but he died in an accident before he could write it down. The production models he made before he did just run around when they aren't being actively used for anything because the admech don't know how to turn them off.
When I played spehss mahreen 2, I was shocked how many ranged dudes the Nids haveI guess it makes sense since the tabletop has to be balanced, I just didn't expect to get shot at by guns (biological) when I bought that game
>>735026282If you think the Hive Mind is retarded and thoughtless then you are objectively wrong.
>>735014359These religious cunts are better when they are smeared all over a Grey Knights armor.
>>735012992Is Rogue Trader worth getting?
>>735026149To be fair, i doubt he knew about ancient aliens
>>735026417Has the hivemind ever said a fucking word? No, because it's retarded and thoughtless.
>>735026492You don't trade rogues so it's a complete ripoff.
>>735026090>how their logistical chains even work.It's quite simple. They don't.
>>735026172Not wanting to pay taxes is reasonable. Joining up with literal soul eating monsters to avoid doing so is not.
>>735026492No
>>735026568And I bet Warhammer 40k Mechanicus doesn't even have a warhammer
>>735026550It had displayed numerous instances of being an intelligent and spiteful dick.
>>735026550i dont think that's how it works lolbesides wasnt there a story where a tyranid weapon creature gun thing was talking with the humans who were securing it psychically?
>>735026626Tech priests prefer axes/halberds.
I still think they should make stories about chaosniggers getting corrupted by the emprah, same was as normal dudes get corrupted by chaos
>>735026509Chaos has been looting Lizardmen bullshit for as long as the setting has allowed. You can bet your ass that an apex tzeentch sorceror that might be working under Archaon could tell him.
>>735019229>the funniest thing is, they don't sell that well compared to other factionsLiterally the best selling in the range. with like 15% share when the average should be below 5% with 20+ factions (basic chaos warriros are 2nd with about 10% share).They just aren't Marines with 70% playerbase share and marines only spin off with HH
>>735026637No, it didn't, tyranids are magical psionic fairies who are only "intelligent" when it comes to killing something in a different way, they don't do fear tactics other than killing you in gruesome ways, whatever meme stories you think are real, aren't canon.>>735026680not canon
>>735026882Are you butthurt that they are intelligent or something?
>>735026882>they don't do fear tacticsThe existence of the lictor genus would suggest otherwise.
>>735026570what is this from
>>735026941They have no intelligence, the only time they do is when writers who have no idea what the tyranids are, try to make short stories about lictors or whatever else "infiltrates" societies but all they really do is go invisible and assassinate random leaders.
>>735012992I love ChaosAnd Chaos loves mePraise the FourDeath to the False Emperor
>>735026509Lizardmen know, Elves know, Dwarfs know, even fucking Warhammer Englanders know about the old ones. Old Ones aren't a secret, Archaon's just retarded.
>>735027038Oh so the old stories where it happens are wrong because the writers don't know better because you said so?
>Nooo you don't understand I hate religion IRL so the imperium are the bad guys for preaching religion>completely ignores the fact hell is real in this setting and if you don't follow said religion you will be tortured for eternity
>>735026995the lictor is a mutation that doesn't need to exist and are memeworthyah yes, no one has any ability to notice psionics from these tyranids, no one is able to notice the weight and travel of an invisible lump of flesh, not a single soul on any planet ever can detect lictors
>>735027038Mephiston and the rest of the blood angels would beg to differ
>>735027026Black Legion
>>735027110They don't happen and you aren't linking them because they don't exist.>>735027157not canon
>>735027143You think the warp is hell?That's thinking too small
>>735014786>argenta would kill youJokes on her. I deliberately fucked up her build so she can't kill me.
So how come there’s no 40k Skaven?
>>735027038>They have no intelligenceTechnically they do have intelligence but not in like the philosophical senseMore like a machine making things for war and war aloneSome are even capable of playing dead When they eat a civilization they do gain it's collected intelligence to be able to make no biomorphs
>>735021646Daemon's powers grow via their follower count so if literallyone just decided not to worship/follow/believe in them then the daemons would be weak as fuck so when you think about it you really should be killing your neighbours that think chaos might be cool.
>>735027362There used to be and then they got retconned Though giant ratmen wouldn't be really anything for the setting if they did as majority of hive worlds are a meat grinder
>>735027362>rat is the god of prioretizing yourself over the good of collective>Imperium is build around sacrificing individuals for the good of the cllective40k is literally poison to him
>>735027424anon if a daemon manifested that's it, your specific belief is not enough to weaken it, hell even sisters and orks should still fight them to win
>>735027362they snucked into Necromunda
>>735027424If you kill chaos, chaos grows stronger. If you wipe the galaxy of life, chaos dies with it, but you'd effectively need to do a bloodless genocide without suffering or you'll just empower chaos to the degree that you can't fight it. Basically only Necron and Tyranid can make a dent in Chaos.
When will Iron Warriors be featured in a game as more than just a multiplayer skin?
>>735027387Yeah, it was evolution through sheer brute force and numbers, either way, no matter how you put it, Tyranids as of now, are just locusts that don't think ahead and for some reason have lictors that can think ahead but only when it comes to scaring people into madness.(something they don't need to do when all lictors REALLY do is go invisible and assassinate randoms
>>735027362Who says there not?
>>735027221and they are not canon because? like seriously you say to link your shit yet you dont show proof either
>>735027535Yeah and how do daemons manifest? Though chaos worshippers. So you gotta kill em.
>>735023774isnt that the dream she had after she was turned into vampire
>>735027663well you gotta looooooooooooooooooong way until you kill enough lol
>>735027663Through whatever means they want. If you're a psyker, you can be filled with daemons. If your world has a rift in it for whatever reason, infinite daemons. Warp storm? Daemons.
>>735027617>Tyranids as of now, are just locusts that don't think ahead and for some reason have lictors that can think ahead but only when it comes to scaring people into madness.Not reallyThey have the Norn Emissary which is made to hunt down powerful enemies specficallyThey aren't mindless, just one track mindedAlso you're leaving out the Zoats which are still canon
>>735027641because it's been retconned, by the people who own it, because they hate Zoats and other cool things
>>735012992>mfw don't care what daddy autismo thinks anymore and just want to blow up some yellow faggots' walls
I think 40k Orks are way better than fantasy and it's not even close. Have no idea how they are in AoS
>>735027798Zoats aren't canon, Tyranids just randomly decided to stop making them forever and they are now the dedicated "we are hungry monsters xDD"
>>735027219>>735026570I'm glad some piece of 40k media out there actually acknowledges this, but I am still left with >This group of dysfunctional retards who can barely secure access to clean water is supposedly one of the major threats to the ImperiumLike dude, just fuck off. I don't mind Chaos when it's used in the same vein as a Genestealer cult, a corrupting force that suddenly and viciously results in a beheaded government and a doomed world, but demon dudes in power armor cruising the galaxy firing screaming bolter rounds from toothy guns? Nah, fuck off
>>735027890their goblins...uh i mean SNOTlings because you know that's different, are cooler
>>735012992I luv me emperor and luv to krump enemies of the throne.
>>735027908They didn'tThey are still canon in the current year
>>735027890They're basically the exact same except with a higher tech level. Even Fnatasy orcs operate by rule of belief and waaagh energy.
>>735022552>internet words hurtwhat a pussy
>>735028006everyone knows Zoats are with the Tyranids so they were all killed off, they don't exist anymore
>>735027890There's barely any difference with Fantasy orcs aside from tech levelsI'll take Fantasy greenskins as a whole anyday because you actually get goblins doing shit and with actual characters
What if perturabo returned to the imperium? How would he get along with the other two primarchs?
>>735019357All 40k lore past 4e was a mistake
>>735021878nta, but you are wrong about the 40k chaos marines.they tend to be a mix of things.chaos led them into darker desires, but it also fed upon desires that were already there.they tend to have more complex and conflicting feelings on the entire matter... but ultimately they were either loyal to their primarchs, bitter over the failures of the emperor, caught in a really shit situation, or some combination of the three.They are both the Norscans at the START of being placed into that situation by chaos, AND the norscans thousands of years later, but with a key difference in largely being the same original space marines that fell.
>>735027957At least in fantasy is makes vague sense because they only really need a chain of impossibly sturdy armor being passed around a warband and some sharp enough weaponry. Everything else is just boats. Their numbers are still fucking retarded though, infinity million fully armored chaos warriors are somewhere up north not aging or doing anything until an everchosen makes them all come south.
>>735027890I dislike how goblins in 40k have literally no agency unlike in Fantasy and AoS, as for AoS orcs, they have the Big Pig, and really, what else do you need? Default color scheme is ass though
orkz iz best
>>735028128They do existSome are still seen being emissaries
>>735027798Aren't Zoats just a minor xenos race independent from Tyranids now?
>>735028235Some broke off but some are still a part of them
>>735028169>spoilerYou're not wrongGreat models, look proppa killy but their armour is painted up like they're fucking lemons
>>735028228Actual headcanon. Another thing is tyranids are supposedly hungry but leave behind entire planets, they scour the surface for PITIFUL gains that would never feed or sustain their fleets, another thing that makes them magical fairies that don't actually need to eat to exist.
>>735020329>mourn and bury their fallen brothersI thought chaos marines just went back to the warp or whatever when they died.
>>735028235Yeah in Blackstone Fortress, little to do with nids, mysterious motivations, the whole shebangIt also had a bonafide Man of Iron in disguise
>>735026492yes, but wait for the new dlc
>>735021740Lorgar tried to usurp Horus and got bitchslapped out of the homecoming party
>>735027882Isn't Petry leading them in the new campaign?
>>735019274Pretty crazy how the Emperor is older than the Chaos Gods.
>>735028148>infinity million fully armored chaos warriors are somewhere up north not aging or doing anythingThe excuse they use is time gets fucky wucky due to the raw chaos influence, so warriors from the past and future are pulled into the mosh pit.
>>735028860Nobody knows for sure at the moment, but in the Honsou saga reprint, a new epilogue was added were Peter Turbo gave control of most Iron Warriors forces to Honsou after Honsou managed to beat him in a life or death board game.
>>735014935>Mike BrooksFag
>>735027362They even gave the guard the most on-the-nose named variant with ratlings and you STILL don't get it
>>735029031>life or death board gameI'm sorry, this sounds hilarious. I know imagine Perturabo going around challenging people at death games like atem
>>735029000Yeah, but they fucking die, still. Every chaos incursion leaves countless hundreds of thousands of warrior bodies behind to rot in place. Even becoming a chaos warrior is fucking *hard* and surviving up there takes the best of the best of the mortal tribes of men. Norsca (who somehow remain alive with no infrastructure off of the backs of viking raids alone) undergo a 1 out of 1000 winnowing to become a warrior, and those are just the shitheels of the proper chaos warriors, you get winnowed down even more to become Chosen or a proper Hero or Champion. Even since men entered the world, it would be doubtful enough would become warriors to support the warband. Hell, it's not like they CAN be pulled from the future in the End Times.
>>735027890AoS orkz aren't a dedicated comic relief faction like in 40k/wfb, so they end up having a compleatly different vibe. Funny squig shit is relegated to unrelated gobin factions and 1 time it showed up post-ET in ork it felt compelaty out of place (especially when 40k was fulll on funny squig shit with the dino rider orkz at the tme)They also play around with speciation of them a lot more (as in they actully have subspecies)
>>735029019>Random "Nazi bad" Which subreddit did you dredge this beauty up from xixter?
>>735029186You wouldn't expect him to test his sons in any other way if not in a high stakes tabletop game (not like his sons can kill him even if he loses)
>>735029229>Norsca (who somehow remain alive with no infrastructure off of the backs of viking raids alone)Shaman sorcery does a lot for your survival in a shitholeGoblins became among the apex predators in the Drakwald just because they worshipped the spiders and it eventually led to their shamans learning how to tame them
>>735029401orks are da perfect war being designed for battles, they dont need to evolve they either have enough battles to remain krorks or not
>>735029019I’m like the edgiest Khornefag out there but I won’t lie the Guard are pretty cool
>>735029401To be fair, I heard that the not!Night Goblins get real scary in their book
>>735029483Sure, but they aren't going to have the population of the Empire, so their constant vying for ascension as a chaos warrior is drawing from a reduced pool to begin with. With all the Norscans, Kurghans, etc etc etc, Imperial defectors that manage to beat 7-8 foot tall monsters, the occasional Brettonian, none of this is going to give you enough people going north to sustain their End Times numbers, which was like 100 million warriors.
>>735029774beaky boy SOVL
>>735029613But they aren't krorkz. They specifically devolved from them into the lesser orkz who are weaker and dumber
>>735029774The beaked designs always reminded me of Spy vs Spy
>>735012992>"just slaughtering this planet for my patron god m'lady"
>>735028314
>>735030081Lukkin gud
>>735030081It's pretty good, but it's still missing a proppa boss hat.
>>735012992GREEN IZ BEST
>>735030231>this single act made Khorne happy enough to make these orks immortal
>>735029882because they didnt have enough fightz, only the beast got close to becoming a krork again
>>735012992choosing a woman as the representative of mankind is like picking pineapple as the representative of pizza toppings
>>735030184Those boss things on the back lost their purpose whne GW change the body type.Back in the day the heads were lower so they didn't realy stick out above the torso. This meant they could instal fake heads to appear normal.Now the head is where it's supposed to be, so the fake head is pointless
>>735030102Mossa is one of the best 40k fanartists.
>>735030815ew
>>735020331the entire magnus arc is part of the grim-derp lore than couldn't be changed, frankly it's just best left ignored, there's no way to write magnus' fall without either the emperor or magnus acting like a complete fucking retard at some point, or both.Also OP is a faggot and the Imperium are objectively the good guys.>>735020437he didn't want to be called a god, but functionally his power is soo obscene he more or less already was a true demigod to begin with. The fragments of his soul, which are generally his best and most noble personal elements, are scattered throughout the galaxy and often manifest inside people with the desire for genuine change, but usually resolve with being forced to make brutal sacrifices to save mankind. Saint Celestine being the most clear example, her book was fucking sick.
>>735029774WOOOOOOORLDEAAAATAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>735030081thats a warhammer fantasy ork no? pretty great paintjob.>735029019go back to your groomercord tranny.>>735028415the blackstone fortress novels are easily some of the best new-lore books out there.
giwtwm
>>735031615>fantasyFantasy is dead, that's an Age of Sigmar orc. Fantasy orcs were in much less fancy armor.
>>735031615Fantasy orcs (two on the left) are much smaller in both gameplay and lore (this isn't scale creepy, this is what this actually looks like in univers)
>>735013441Night lords unironically
>>735029019Guards players are either norwegian kids who played too much hearts of iron or boomers who played space marines in 3rd edition coming back from years of playing ww2 tabletops and picking the guard to not look childish in front of their missus
>>735021448Iron Warriors lack ambition and wider goals than fucking up the Imperium in general and anyone who messes with them (including each other), building their personal mini-empires or becoming a Daemon Prince. They're also not as flashy as the Black Legion or Word Bearers with their cult troops and Daemons, or as turboedgy as the Night Lords, but they are definitely underused.
>>735029774Luv me bolt throwah, realms of chaos is fucking therapy for MAN
>>735031708Looks like me irl.
Iron Faggots are ass just like their rivals the Imperial Fisters
Interex were the best faction and humanity's best chance for victory
>>73502323940k mogs Fantasy in every way. It's true, it's damn true.
Any other WH40k games where you play as the bad guys besides Fire Warrior?
>>735024890I still prefer the meme that he just kicked Archaon in the balls and fucked off
>>735033312Battlefleet Gothic 2 has campaigns for Imperium, Nids, Chaos and Crons, at least one of those has to fit your definition of a bad guy
>>735032709Interex would have fallen the same way Starfleet from Star Trek would have gotten destroyed within a few years of colonising the 40k universe. Their technology was great, their ability to avoid corruption and the divisions caused by chaos would undo them entirely over time.
>>735033312Dawn of War remaster, you can pick any of the mainline factions to play with. Dark crusade had the best campaign btw.
If you were guaranteed to become a daemon prince which of the Four would you pledge your soul to?
>>735014451>for no reasonThe reason was that Russ is a literal retard who hated Magnus and when given the opportunity to kill him, took it without question. I doubt the thought of "I wonder if this order is legit" even entered his tiny dog brain but even if it did, he'd just see it as an ample opportunity to destroy his brother and then claim he was only following orders.Magnus knew he fucked up bad and literally said that he deserved to die for what he did - even sitting out the battle for a long time, just accepting his fate - but in the end he couldn't stand watching his legion be slaughtered and humiliated, and ultimately only fought back in their defense. But he did not believe himself innocent.
>>735012992There is only one or two factions you could argue are "good" in 40K. The Farsight Enclave (specifically the Farsight faction, not greater Tau) and there is some argument for some of the Leagues of Votann faction but they are just morally grey from an outward perspective but genuinely good (well at least some of the leagues) from a Squat's perspective since life in some of the Leagues is objectively good (to their own Kin at least). All of the other races/factions are just evil. Varying shades of course, but evil. The closest thing to vaguely grey morality wise in Humanity would be Ultramar as a faction since their leader is a guilt-ridden emo-boi who is trying to be good, but the machine that is Ultramar chews people up and spits them out. But he certainly didn't have to try to save/cure/provide medical for peasants on plagued worlds but he did. So one could maybe argue (and fail) for them being good (ultramarines are boring as fuck tho).
Warhammer used to be cool because it was about humanity dying out and it's final days. That made the dumb space marines heroic and tragic. Now that they are GI Joe in space it's just cringe.
>>735030102what's the second head on tread-boy for? surely he doesn't need a whole second brain just for that little computer
What the fuck even are sigmaris? I thought they were Space Marines++ but Tituts in SM2 barely seems different
>>735034452 That's where the servitor brain is that pilots the unit. The head on top is just a computer for additional functions.
>>73503449140k has been in a limbo of retconing all plot developments for the last few years. 1 step foreward, 1 step back
>>735034561I'm just surprised it didn't make him 1.5x as tall mostly
>>735034491>sigmarisYou mean Primaris? They are Space Marines "perfected" by Belisarius Cawl (mechanicus). He created a superior space marine that is improved in every way from the original Space Marines made by the Emperor and Titus was once such normal marine subject to the primaris upgrade. Typically normal marines don't get the Primaris upgrade since it is fatal 99.99% of the time. Only newly drafted Space Marines are Primaris, typically. Titus is a special boi tho.
>>735034365dont they drill entire planets with people in em
>>735023930All of the Fabius Bile books by Josh Reynolds. They've got audible versions which I highly recommend, the guy doing narration does Bile's voice pretty much exactly how I thought he would sound.
>>735034686I hate audiobooks though
>>735034651Oh yeah I meant primaris
>>735030815Longshanks my beloved
>>735034669The Leagues? No. They mine shit in the void, a region of space where not even the Tyranids typically venture.
>>735034651>original Space Marines made by the EmperorActually!In current canon Space Marines were made by a woman named Astartes and they're named after her. Emperor did nothing
>>735034710then just read the book nigga
>>735034740Oh wow great whimsical art horray
>>735034758
>>735034758actually I dictate canon, not GW
>>735034757i heard multiple times that they mine entire planets too
>>735034758they retconned out Jimmy Space?
>>735034758>AstartesYou mean Amar Astarte? Yes Amar Astarte and her Botechnician Division aided the Emperor in creation of the Adeptus Astartes (Space Marines). The Emperor took the geneseed from his "sons" the Primarchs (which he created) to augment humans in to transhuman war machines. Since they were mass produced he didn't make all the Space Marines, he created the system and specs and the Mechanicum mass produced them with Amar heading the project.
>>735023294shit take
is that mechanicus game gud?
>>735034965Still kinda lame, make Emp less mysterious in a way, does everything need an explanation?
>>735029019Damn, how do I avoid looking like this?I like IG because normal humans taking down super demons from hell/aliens is very satisfying.I think the Cadia stands meme is a bit overdone.
>>735034992the soundtrack is, very much soas a tacticool game, I found it far too simplistic so I dropped it after three hours or so
>>735034853>i heard multiple times that they mine entire planets tooYes they strip mine planets, usually by "cracking" them. But there is no direct recount in the lore of them eradicating an entire civilization. But in their culture the survival of the Kin take priority over everything else. So it is entirely possible that they have strip mined a world that contained some form of life. A lesser xenos race or some plants, who knows. But never a human or named faction for sure.
>>735034238Khorne, for in the Grim Darkness(TM) of the 41st millennium, there is Only War(R)
>>735034992It's okay if you like mechanicus and the OST carries it hard, but if you're looking for an XCOM game it's rather dissapointing, the tech priest power level quickly spirals out of control and you curbstomp most levels while cover gets forgotten after the tutorialIf you liked Troubleshooter you'll like Mechanicus is the best comparison I can make, less korean drama but also less build variety and difficulty
>>735012992Gotta love how you quite literally can't find any normal looking chaos worshippers to make this meme actually work unless they're literal undercover spies or something.
>>735035104>Still kinda lame, make Emp less mysterious in a way, does everything need an explanation?That's the neat thing about 40K. You can take what you want from it. I quite enjoy the books, the lore and the world building. The emperor isn't really that mysterious as a man. He's a perpetual and possibly an old one in disguise (those frog guys from Old World/fantasy). He's interesting NOW that he is a corpse on the golden throne though. Constantly in a state of death but unable to die (because he's immortal) enslaved by mankind to protect them from the warp. His mind fragmented into countless pieces. He's slowly becoming an Chaos God himself and if the throne ever fails and he finally regenerates himself what will happen? Who knows. Likely the galaxy falls to chaos, if the emperor doesn't go fucking ballistic and kill mankind himself for torturing him for 15,000 years lmfao. But you can just play the tabletop and/or videogames if you want and not engage with the lore. Most people do that it seems.
>>735034238It's not worth it even if you get to be a daemon prince.
>>735035248>the tech priest power level quickly spirals out of control and you curbstomp most levelsThat sounds great, not every tactix game needs to rape me every battle
>>735035358why would he do that?
>>735034651They made the Rubicon Primaris more safe over the irl years, besides the fact that named characters have a 100% survival rate anyway. And Primaris are just oldmarines with several new augments that make them a little more stronger and harder to kill; it's Fabulous Bile who's trying to create a new species of human that surpasses even spess mehreens.
>>735035358Didn't Godblight kind of confirm that the Emperor still has a massive hateboner towards Chaos and seeks to destroy it? So if he ever does reincarnate, he'll probably go on some kind of crusade into the warp.
>>735014359gib argentina romance nowim not asking
>>735034238i would hate to be any of them, but if i had to choose, probably tzeench. I'm naturally a bit too clean and germophobic to ever want to be a nurglite, despite nurgle being the "nicest" of the chaos gods.>>735034491you might be conflating a few things, primaris marines are the next evolution of space marines, because the old marines were getting genocided out of existence, and the gene seed itself was too corrupted after 10000 years of war and low-grade warp exposure.Simarxism is an infamous subr*ddit of pure, distilled cancer, a cabal of trannies and marxists who actively operate with the single intention of ruining 40k and making GW woke, lame and gay, and they're winning.
>>735035358>He's a perpetual and possibly an old one in disguise (those frog guys from Old World/fantasy).he's actually an artifically created soul+being who was made by the old ones to fight and beat chaos itself. He outlived them by millions of years, gestating slowly in the warp as the golden child until he manifested inside a human child. He was the last gift the old ones gave to the universe before they were finally genocided out of existence.
>>735035358I will engage with the lore but ignore all the stupid shit like some random woman making space marines instead of the emperor
>>735017010>>735017825afaik the factional thing is actually canon, and even more than 3 groups. There's a novel where various Alpha Legion warbands have some kind of meeting and there's everything from loyalists to full-on chaos cultist traitors there, and a bunch of shades in between, plus one group where everybody is altered to look like Alpharius and claims to be him.
>>735035501Nurgle is by far the worst of the gods, in terms of garnering worship. While the others simply tempt mortals to their service, Nurgle actively extorts you by inflicting horrid pestilence upon you and it doesn't even matter if you give in or not, since you'll either do give in or become a plaguebearer.
>>735035587wasn't he an amalgamation of the souls of a bunch of primitive shamans?
>>735035478Tabletop/official artwork accurate size comparison. It is genuinely hilarious how my Leagues of Votann are taller than Space Marines (Primaris Marines are taller tho).
>>735035485If he respawns he'll get killed and glued to the throne again by the Grey Knights officially. If the Custodians don't kill the Grey Knights first (which they probably will). That's the Terminus Decree.
>>735035721look at the fucking custode's head
>>735035604The funny part about the Emperor's DEI hires like Astarte and Erda is that they both fucked up, achieved nothing in rebelling against the Emperor, and died like bitches. In the latter's case, she also became the direct reason for the Chaos Gods yeeting the baby Primarchs, thus setting the Horus Heresy in stone.
>>735035587The perfect man, the golden one, and a Turk lmfao.
>>735017931Rocks don't go to war against humans that try to mine them.
>>735035305VIDEO game?
>>735035358>>735035604Shit like this is why half the fanbase outright rejects the Horus Heresy novels.>Remember that cool stuff?>Instead, how about you have hot shit that makes even less sense, instead?
>>735035721Aren't astartes literally supposed to be a solid metre to two metres taller than the average human though
>>735027957I mean that's 40k in a nutshell. every faction is simultaneously a hairs breadth from diaster or supremacy so GW can hold the setting in an eternal state of cliffhang.
Is the new warhammer quest any good?
>>735036034If you didn't read the post, the image is edited to represent height differences between tabletop models, not what they should be in lore
>>735035913Gates of HellIndomitus Mod
>>735027957but that sounds cool and fitting to 40k
>>735017010maybe originally, but so much time has passed now that none of the warbands really understand what their original goals actually were.
>>735036023Horus Heresy novels suck pajeet asshole. They had to write dozens of novels within the span of a few months so it is trash. 40k books are pretty great though. The smaller stories about the mechanicum (Cawl books), Infinite & The Divine, Twice Dead King, Elemental Council, the dozens of assassin books, commissar books, the murder-batman book, etc.
>>735012992right side looks so fucking ugly jesus christ
Andy Chambers is the only good writer they still have. Maybe Abnett if you don't mind the reek of proto nuhammer wafting from his egalitarian asshole.
>>735017362its a vampire motif
>>735036278for a bitch who fights wars against daemons and mind elves she seems fine
>>735018396I'd rather be a Khorney boi or Tzeentchfag.
>>735031272The point of the emperor being a dumbass is that it doesnt matter that hes the amalgum of thousands of psychics, he still makes bad calls because of his own hubris. The lore was always dumb but putting a magnifying glass to it really didnt do GW any favors.
>>735013434Orks turn into sadistic tyrants when they don’t have an enemy to fight.
>>735036023The HH will always suffer from the fact you're supposed to believe these demigods are all acting like passive aggressive teenage girls.The Emperor's humanity being his downfall was fine when it translated to him refusing to believe his beloved son was gone until it was too late.His humanity being his downfall when it translated to him being a fucking idiot was not.
>>735017125>most effective terror troops in the galaxy>jobs to dark eldar every chance>especially mandrakes
>>735036523Why?
>>735028314AoS came around the time a new 40K Ork Codex came out where they had decided that they were tired of Da Goffs being the boxart guys, so they swapped over to Bad Moons. This leaked over into AoS so everything had to be yellow for orks for an edition or two despite it being a monstrous pain in the ass to paint
>>735036567That's the only way they can sell DEldar by making the other guys who compete with their faction gimmick job to them.
>>735036096I like the book board format, but it's a departure from the old set up. White Dwarf is also still adding dlc heroes
>>735036698then do they compete with the emp children?
>>735015709I thought they didn't exactly eat everything, and just sort of came back to feast every bajillion years or whatever. So an actual stable cycle but over a ridiculous period of time while they wait for life to spread again
Someone give me good 40k games that aren't the big ones everyone playedI'm gonna throw in Necromunda
>>735036870The Emperor's Children don't compete. They hold extravagant festivals of torture, sex and drugs. The only time EC does anything is to restock their drug supply (they turn people into drugs) or refurnish their palaces with living furniture.
>>735036909Necromunda underhive wars or Necromunda hired gunBased if former, kill yourself if latter
>>735036909The old Space Hulkhttps://youtu.be/FAMv5gN7u94
>>735036698NL don't really compete with Dark Eldar. Actually NL aren't even a proper faction in the tabletop just a painting option for CSM
>>735037023which deldar also do
>>735036909Dawn of War II, the best Dawn of War. Mechanicus (kinda popular maybe)?My current go-to is Inquisitor Martyr/Prophecy. Got it last month and have been playing it a bit each week with my wife via co-op when we aren't assembling/painting minis.
>>735037109Drukhari/Dark Eldar don't do it for fun tho. They do it to keep Slanesh from consuming their immortal souls. The Emperor's Children do it exclusively for fun.
>>735036202very cool. thanks
>>735014451>when the Wolves attacked them for no reason
>>735037209oh they definitely do this for fun too
>>735037289>oh they definitely do this for fun too- t. lorelet
>>735037317wasnt it stated that some dont even care about stopping? hell they used to do it before slaanesh
>>735035705no that was retconned ages ago, there was a codex xenology book that strongly hinted at this a long time ago that pointed out that the Emperor was the star child. https://youtu.be/EmARQzeM44E?si=xVt0j7dJiWU8xE-2certified lore-fag and all round gigabased italian breaks it down if you got an hour to watch it while washing dishes or something.
>>735035108Just look like Jack Reacher and paint your Cadians like US army.
>>735028148the chaos warriors get the armor at the whim of the chaos gods, sometimes it is aquired, sometimes they look down and see armor, sometimes a chaos dwarf does it for them.
>>735037057Hired Gun obviously, sorry about your shit taste
>>735037448haven't really kept up with the loreI'll check the video out, cheers!
>>735037448so what is he
>>735033312tau are the good guys
>>735035108>Damn, how do I avoid looking like this?just shower and avoid talking about politics 24/7
