I recently finished a dark souls 2 dual caestus run (bone fists for the DLC). Fist weapons were not as fun in DS3.Are there other soulslike games that have fun punch builds? Does eldenring have good punching builds?
>>735015553Dark souls 2 sucks. And you should play with a sword and a shield like the game intends you to.
>>735015553Elden ring's gotta be the top fromsoft game for punch build, especially with the dlc, everytime i play it no matter the build i always end up switching to punches.I you want real punch autism then nioh 2 is godlike, god hand is a top tier beat 'em up too but it's not a souls like.
>>735017147Isn't nioh very different from a souls game? because if that is the case then Jack's game should count
>>735017351Fuck yeah jack's game counts.
>>735015553The Star Fists are actually the strongest weapon in Elden Ring.Beyond that, the DLC has an entirely different type of fist weapon in Dane's martial arts, that are extremely fun.
>>735017351>>735017625Unrelated to OP, but was Jack's game good? All I know about it was that buzz around the article with the title filled with buzzwords.
>>735017147>>735018069OP here, I actually thought the thread died. LolAnyway, does it take long to find fist weapons in elden ring? or I guess I can try to do unarmed until I find one but I assume that will just make things extra difficult.
>>735018123you gotta love nomura cringekino to appreciate it, gameplay is good overall.
>>735018292You can get a starting set early (Spiked Caestus) if you don't mind quickly sprinting through a real shithole of an area to find a merchant and then running back to safety. You can get a good set (Iron Balls) early if you're willing to kill a useful merchant NPC.
>>735016489>Play with shield What? Why limit yourself when ds2 has power stance?
>>735018596>FaggotstanceYou didn't beat the game. Let me guess, you used rapier on one hand?
>>735016489The only point of using a shield is if you're going to shield poke with a spear. Otherwise Elden Ring is the only game to make blocking worthwhile with guard counters.
>>735019171>Implying the final boss of 1 doesn't get deleted by parry and riposte.
>>735018595where is each? I assume the first option is better since you say the NPC is useful
>>735020405First one, a weird part of Caelid (the red toxic area) where the enemies have crazy hard scaling for some reason. You can't beat them, so just run to the merchant and buy the Spiked Caestus and GTFO. He is on top of a hill North of where you enter the area. IIRC, you have to jump a small gap on your horse to get across to the path. So that could be your guide. The giant tower should be close by.
>best DS game>best fist weapon
the elden ring dlc gave you a bunch of fist weapons. two unique claws movesets, a kung fu moveset thats got like 3 variations, and the pata which is just the regular fist moveset but they strapped longswords to your fists like wolverine claws, aka fist weapons with the reach of a sword.
>>735020951The Pata are ridiculous. Insane speed and reach. But they're more deadly in PvP than PvP, because they don't get the huge poise damage of the Star Fists.
>>735017351It's different in that it's set in ancient Japan. You still try to fight a monster spending stamina on attacks and invincible dodge rolls, and if you die, all your experience falls at your corpse. Anyone who likes Dark Souls should like it, too.
>>735018989>>735016489(you)
>>735015553You should get the Vanquisher's Seal from the Company of Champions covenant. That ring boosts your unarmed attack to 200 AR and adds scaling, AND lets you powerstance your unarmed fists for a unique, faster moveset. Use Ascetics to make Bowman Guthry and Rhoy the Explorer respawn and farm them for Awestones.
>>735015553that thing looks like a cock ring
>>735015553Jack's game and Nioh 2/3 have the best fisting in vydia.
>>735022291Everything can be a cock ring if you are brave (dumb) enough.
>>735022246That's DS2 tho.
>>735015553You should play an actual beat them up like Urban Reign instead.
>>735025693>Not battletoadsTake a load of this casual.
>>735025693>>735026820Play Hexen first, you fucking zoomers
Screw that wannabe shaolin monk bullshit. Give me real fun builds, like double hand crossbow.
>>735029747Carian Sorcery Sword with offhand Main-Gauche
>>735029747The forbidden Offhand Greataxe
I remember disliking fists in Elden Ring. I like the weapon but the hitbox on it bothered the fuck out of me especially against larger enemies like bosses who seemed to have a larger collision box than hitbox, so every time you'd swing and the thing moved an inch you'd get pushed out of striking range and whiff.Haven't played the DLCs though.>>735028298You don't really fist much in Hexen though. To my recollection blue/green mana was so plentiful you never really needed to switch back to the fists, and if you ran out your unpowered hammer/axe was still strong enough not to need to return to fisting.
>>735015553>Fist weapons were not as fun in DS3They have Perseverance, so you are wrongalso>>735016489
>>735015553>No hyperarmor>No skills>Bone fists is fucking mediocre and also stuck at end gameYeah right Dark Souls 2 fists were so "fun"
>>735033007>Needs hyperarmorJust out-poise your enemy, bro.
>>735018123Gameplay wise is fucking beast of the game. Story wise is looks like something very retarded and lame until you reach the end of the game when you realize that this is pure kino.
>>735017147I was actually very disappointed in ER's pugilist movesets. Dryleaf is boring as shit compared to Bone Fist and the sheer meatiness of its animations. All it has is the aoe ash of war.
>>735017351Mechanically nioh is a completely different beast compared to souls, yeah. The only thing allowing people to classify it as a soulslike is the respawn system.In typical souls game you're a nobody with 3 attacks who rolls through a 20 hit boss combo to hit a few times. In Nioh both you and the boss have equally insane movesets that allow you to interact with each other.
>>735033007Bone fist has hyperarmor.And you can easily get it early, you just need 1m soul memery.
I wonder how many actually used the bone fists in DS2 rather than just watching a video about them and calling it a day because of the janky bajiquan moves.>>735035489>Dryleaf is boring as shit compared to Bone Fist and the sheer meatiness of its animationsYou're beyond delusional, there's nothing meaty to Bone Fist's animations, if anything they're weightless as fuck and poorly animated, like the rest of DS2.
>>735035712>there's nothing meaty to Bone Fist's animationsYou're fucking delusionalBoth two handed R1 and R2 have an insanely meaty sfx and a visible shockwave. Second R2 in particular feels like you're a god damned juggernaut.One handed R2's spinning kick creates a shockwave that slows down everything around you while it hits. The second R2 that propels you forward has fantastic, weighty animation.And of course, there's the chi blast on powertanced moveset. The mere shockwave during the charge animation has a hitbox, and the attack itself knocks shit down. Keep your anti-DS2 boner to yourself faggot. I don't like the game that much but anyone shitting on bone fist is delirious.
>>735036147>Both two handed R1 and R2 have an insanely meaty sfx and a visible shockwaveNothing meaty to them, if anything the overly long and slow animations are incredibly awkward to both see and use, the Dryleaf/Dane's in ER are exactly that but done properly.>The mere shockwave during the charge animation has a hitbox, and the attack itself knocks shit down.And Dryleaf/Dane's are exactly the same, except they don't fucking suck, the only thing the Bone Fists have that Dryleaf/Dane's don't have is the Tetsuzanko and Haoh Shouko Ken, but they have so much more on top of actually being a good weapon it's no big loss.>Keep your anti-DS2 boner to yourself faggot.No, I don't think so, unlike you I don't parrot other faggots' opinions.
>>735036462>the Dryleaf/Dane's in ER are exactly that but done properly.Absolutely no dryleaf animations are even close to the feeling of power of two handed bone fist. They lack satisfying vfx, and they don't knock shit down.>And Dryleaf/Dane's are exactly the sameThe sound they produce while kicking is pathetic, it doesn't sound like something a fucking kick would do. Bone fist moves literally crush the ground beneath the player's feet. And their shockwave doesn't extend beyond the punch itself. Bone fist has a palpable aoe that semi-stuns enemies around it on heavier moves, see for yourself by using it in rooms full of crates.>No, I don't think so, unlike you I don't parrot other faggots' opinions.You're just a mindless, shit eating ER fanboy
>>735036691>They lack satisfying vfx, and they don't knock shit down.Palm Blast does not just have a knockdown, it launches enemies, charged R2s have visible pushback on most enemies, maybe play the games you try to criticize.>it doesn't sound like something a fucking kick would do.And DS2's cheap stock rock break SFX does? Get real>And their shockwave doesn't extend beyond the punch itself.They literally have a separate projectile AoEs with their own MVs on every move, why do you insist on talking about things you know nothing about, Palm Blast is a massive fucking projectile even.>You're just a mindless, shit eating ER fanboyMight be, but it's still better than being a mindless, shit eating DS2 fanboy.
>>735037007>Palm Blast does not just have a knockdown, it launches enemiesI've literally stated Palm Blast is the only good thing about dryleaf movesets, but it's an ash of war, not a part of a regular moveset, and the ki blast from bonefist is equally fun, with a far cooler attack animation.> charged R2s have visible pushback on most enemiesLel no they don't. Second bone fist R2 literally knocks down humanoids. In pvp it provokes the same reaction as a zweihander swing.>They literally have a separate projectile AoEs with their own MVs on every moveAnd they don't extend beyond the punch itself you brain damaged mongoloid. Play the game before opening your mouth.>DS2 fanboy.Keep your anti-DS2 boner to yourself faggot. I don't like the game that much but anyone shitting on bone fist is delirious.
>>735029747dueling shields have a fun moveset. aggressive turtle. they nerfed it. it used to have guardpoints where you get reduced stamina drain when you counterattack at the right time like how monster hunter does it with charge blade, but they took that out so it just guards during counterattacks meaning you drain stamina at the same rate. still really good but wish they kept something of the old version in there. it was a fun reward system for playing aggressively
>>735015553>Does eldenring have good punching builds?Fists are some of the best weapons in Elden Ring.
>>735037295Best? Yes. But their moveset is boring as shit. Star fists literally exist to spam r2.
>>735037368Yes and charged R2 builds are the most fun way to play Elden Ring.
>>735037134>but it's an ash of war, not a part of a regular movesetSo according to you ashes of war are not part of a weapon's moveset.What are they then? Where do they even exist if not in a weapon's moveset? Do they randomly appear somewhere as if they are meteorogical events? If I attach Palm Blast to Dane's Footwork will I not be able to use it until I equip a shortsword?Did you take your medications today?>Lel no they don't.You're such a fucking pathetic liar, like all deranged DS2 fanboys, you can literally see the visible pushback for every charged R2 even on fucking Omens which are considered heavyweights>Play the game before opening your mouth.Unlike you I've actually played it (and DS2) for hundreds of hours and used Dryleaf/Dane's extensively exactly because they were the Bone Fist done right.
>>735038007>So according to you ashes of war are not part of a weapon's moveset.Yes, they are swappable super moves that exist outside normal moveset and spend a resource. Extremely poorly balanced and one of the main issues with ER's gameplay formula.It just happens that the second dryleaf is a gay little twirl so nobody ever talks about anything but palm blast>you can literally see the visible pushback for every charged R2>posts a palm blastAre you having a stroke?>Unlike you I've actually played it (and DS2) for hundreds of hoursOh, post your hours. Until you post your hours i won't even bother responding to your posts.
>>735038487>wasted all that time playing souls gameslol nerd
>>735038558>shits himself immediatelyAs expected
>>735038487>YesSo you ARE mentally ill.Also Palm Blast and Dryleaf Whirlwind are both used, they just fill different niches due to their different properties, I have no idea why you'd even put some ridiculously, nonsensical arbitrary definitions on what a weapon moveset is and what isn't, by your deranged logic then things like DS2 MGS beams are not parts of the moveset because they eat up your durability, which is a resource like FP, nevermind your nonargument about balance, as if Souls games and DS2 especially are "balanced".>Are you having a stroke?The R2s, like they ones you can clearly see from 00:12 onwards have visible pushback, stop beating around the bush.>>735038487>Oh, post your hoursPost yours first.
>>735038872>Post yours first.I already did. Post. Your. Hours.
>>735039137No you didn't, nobody with 2000+ hours in ER (and a sound mind) doesn't know basic facts about weapons and keeps lying after being proven wrong with a video.If those are actually your hours then you're forsaking what little credibility you have left after this pathetic chimpout.
>>735039313>blablablablaStill not seeing your hours, webm schizo.
>>735039414My hours are irrelevant (especially because those clearly aren't yours), you're wrong, you're still lying through your teeth even after being factually proven wrong with a video I just made.Accept you're wrong and move on, or do you want to be embarassed further?
>>735039541>My hours are irrelevantYou're the one who started bragging about your experience in elden ring. Nobody asked you to open your mouth. Prove it.
>>735018989You're just an insufferable twat. The real powers stance chads use two greatswords
>>735039592So how does it feel to be thoroughly embarassed by somebody who has less than half of your playtime in ER and yet knows much more about the game than you do?I wonder what exactly did you do for 2500 hours that you do not know basic gameplay facts, or worse, maybe you're deliberately choosing to ignore them even when they're slapped right in your face?What does that say about you?
>>735039592>spent nearly 15% of two years of waking hours playing Elden Ringhaha I was right, what a nerdEmbarrassing!
>>735039871>not even 1k hours>probably spent more time shitposting about souls games here than actually playing themNow, for your actual embarrassment of an "argument">Also Palm Blast and Dryleaf Whirlwind are both usedLiterally no one ever uses Whirlwind because it's trash. Its damage is garbage, its full animation is molasses slow and it lacks hyperarmor. It's literally one of the most disappointing ashes in the already disappointing DLC. Especially when you pit it against palm blast which is the sole reason justifying dryleaf's entire existence.>by your deranged logic then things like DS2 MGS beams are not parts of the moveset because they eat up your durabilityThis is literally a reason i'm pitting palm blast against ki blast of the bone fist since both of those mechanics are just an evolution of KF's sword magic.>The R2s, like they ones you can clearly see from 00:12 onwards have visible pushbackIt's enemy just flinching back like they would from the vast majority of charged R2 animations. Dryleaf is absolutely nothing special in that regard. Unlike bone fist which had a unique stunning aoe.
>>735040401I see you're unable to stop projecting.>Literally no one ever uses Whirlwind because it's trash.Wrong.>Its damage is garbageWrong, it's damage is not only good, especially when couple with Millicent's Prosthesis/Rotten Wing Insignia or anything that boosts consecutive hits, it's excellent for status effects like bleed, it can low profile on startup and it has further synergy with Malenia's Great Rune and things like Godskin's swaddling cloth.It also has deceivingly high stagger level which means you can stunlock a lot of enemies with it, the long active frames also cover a niche in PvP which Palm Blast can't fill, even when you look at the stance damage there's not a big difference, with Palm Blast sitting at 36 vs the 28 of Whirlwind.>This is literally a reason i'm pitting palm blast against ki blastSo you're literally saying that DS2's MGS beams are not parts of the weapon moveset somehow because they consume a resource (and by extension neither are the R1s and R2s since they also consume a resource, the same resource in fact), I suppose you really are off your meds.By the way, pitting Palm Blast against the Bone Fist's powerstances R2 is a bad idea because the latter is almost completely worthless, unlike Palm Blast.>It's enemy just flinching back like they would from the vast majority of charged R2 animationsOh so you do admit they have a pushback, unlike say, daggers, funny how that turned out.>Unlike bone fist which had a unique stunning aoe.Sooooooo like Palm Blast?The unique Ash of war that only barehanded weapons like Dryleaf can use?Oh wait that supposedly doesn't count because it uses a "resource", nevermind how that's also true for the bone fists since they have durability.It's also hilarious that you can't understand the fundamental difference between Dryleaf/Dane's and the Bone Fist's moveset design, so much for somebody with a combined 3K hours in ER and DS2.
>>735041218>Millicent's Prosthesis/Rotten Wing Insignia or anything that boosts consecutive hits, it's excellent for status effects like bleed, it can low profile on startup and it has further synergy with Malenia's Great Rune and things like Godskin's swaddling cloth.You can stack as much shit on it as you want, and it's still going to be clunky garbage dealing pitiful damage for the length of its attack animation, having no hyperarmor and with a fuck huge commitment.>the long active frames also cover a niche in PvP which Palm Blast can't fillDon't even talk about pvp you pathetic faggot. Unlike you, i actually tried to extensively use that thing in pvp and it's TRASH. It doesn't stunlock players for full duration, deals absolutely funny damage and leaves you open for any sort of punishment.Whirlwind is just shit and no amount of your cope is going to change it.>So you're literally saying that DS2's MGS beams are not parts of the weapon moveset No, it's not a part of a weapon's REGULAR moveset. It's a weapon's special.>because the latter is almost completely worthlessBone fist's hadouken deals high amount of ranged blunt damage coupled with heavy knockdown which actually gives it a unique niche not just among fist weapons but the entire weapon pool of DS2. It's far more unique in this regard compared to Palm Blast which exists in the same environment as a myriad of other L2 to win buttons.>have a pushbackThey have a regular pushback of charged fist R2 animations. Bone fist have a unique aoe stagger effect on their entire 2h moveset and some 1h moves.>Sooooooo like Palm Blast?Come back when dryleaf's r2 can stagger all enemies in a huge range around you.
>>735040401>Dryleaf is absolutely nothing special in that regardActually the R2s do produce something that NPCs see as a type of projectile, which mindbreaks their AI into dodge-rolling. Using Dryleaf Arts against NPC invaders is hilarious.
>>735042216>You can stack as much shit on it as you want, and it's still going to be clunky garbage dealing pitiful damage for the length of its attack animation, having no hyperarmor and with a fuck huge commitment.How can you be so wrong yet so confident.Whirlwind deals more damage than Palm Blast and has way less commitment, that's the entire point.Especially since unlike Palm Blast it can't stunlock, Palm Blast is a hyper commitment option because it has ridiculously long startup, which is why unlike Whirlwind it has hyper armor, Whirlwind is something you weave inbetween enemy attacks because again, it low profiles and it's fairly fast.>Unlike you, i actually tried to extensively use that thing in pvp and it's TRASH.I don't really trust a literal raging retard who spend 3K on games and didn't learn the raw basics, you have literally zero knowledge of what you're talking about, you do not understand basic game design either.>which actually gives it a unique niche not just among fist weapons but the entire weapon pool of DS2.Why do you keep lying, DS2 has tons of weapon projectiles, see the Ice Rapier, the Drakewing UGS, the MLGS etc., all of which are better than the Bone Fist.There's literally nothing unique about it outside of how much the weapon uniquely sucks.>They have a regular pushback of charged fist R2 animationsSo you agree they do have pushback.Why did you keep pretending they didn't?>Come back when dryleaf's r2 can stagger all enemies in a huge range around you.See that's why you're a fucking retard, you can't even understand that the Bone Fist and Dryleaf fill a fundamentally different niche.The Bone Fist is a slow (poorly designed) weapon mean to be a super jack of all trades compared to other fist weapons, it's designed around single hits, ER barehanded weapons are designed for fast, combo based mobile 1v1, they're completely different from the ground up.Come back when the bone fist isn't dogshit for retarded posers like you.
>>735042948>Whirlwind deals more damage than Palm BlastIt deals significantly less damage, has more commitment, lacks hyperarmor and range. It's useless.>I don't really trust I don't give a shit about your "trust". It's clear that you're a pve shitter who never used it in pvp. It sucks dick because you only keep a living player inside the combo for a few ticks of damage.>DS2 has tons of weapon projectilesAre you illiterate or just pretending?BLUNT projectile, motherfucker. In a game where nearly everything is universally weak to blunt damage and weapon projectile options are sparse in general unlike L2den ring. It also deals multiple ticks of blunt damage and accounts for counter damage too, leading to hilarious damage numbers.>Why did you keep pretending they didn't?You don't understand what i'm even talking about, newfag. You literally don't understand the unique gimmick of bone fist and their aoe on nearly every two handed animation.>Bone Fist and Dryleaf fill a fundamentally different niche.You're the one who started bragging about dryleaf having some sort of aoe on regular attacks. It has none.Oh, and Bone Fist has several hard hitting combos that are relatively fast by the DS2 standards. 2hr1 combo has aoe stagger built into its combo chain. 1hr2 even has a built in gap closer. It's a far more unique and well designed weapon than dryleaf.
