Which game does wizards perfectly?
>>735021031Baldur's Gate 2Two Worlds 2
>>735021031magica
>>735021115Bitch ass nigga.
>>735021031Outward
>>735021031Master of Magic. RPGs are a terrible genre for real wizard adventures.
>>735021031>>735021263magicka wizard warsI miss it so muchhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxQ16KP4VFY
>>735021031DOS2
dragon dogs
>>735021031Avowed has really fun magic.
Age of Wonder 2: Shadow Magic
Arx Fatalis
Clubs suck man. The music sucks and it's ear piercing, they smell of piss and peach vodka, the floor is sticky, they're cramped as fuck, the drinks are outrageously expensive and shoddy, if you go alone you look like a creep, if you try to dance people mock you cause nobody dances. The backdoors always reek of weed and there's always some miserable fuck either puking, fighting or begging for money for a bus ticket. And as for the bathroom, the average nafri infested hoodlum has cleaner bathrooms than the average club. I wish discos were still around.
>>735021031Noita
Dragons dogma is good
Noita
>>735021115>Two Worlds 2That's four worlds!
Dink Smallwood
>>735021031this art style is so good, I haven't find a game with modern but non cartoon-y or gimmick-y graphics, that scratch that itchalready played dragons dogma and bg3 too much
Anthrax - Among the living
>>735022892these creepy cunts can fuck right off
>>735023015Closest i can think of is skyrim sorry
>>735021031There isn't one.Nothing is literally me yet.
>>735021115>Two Worlds 2What a fucking awful game but you're right, I remember enjoying the magic system quite a bit.
>>735021031FF XI
let's develop a wizard game withi OP's aesthetic vibesI'd say keep it non autistic but just say whatever you feel
>>735023139Modded Skyrim can get you quite a lot of different vibes depending on modlists to be fair, it doesn't all have to be extreme saturated ENB and anime titties. I've seen some more muted, cold presets and texture packs that have a quality feel to them. Gameplay is always still a mixed bag even with the best overhauls though, which is a shame.
>>735021031Definitely Magicka.
>>735023139>>735023623skyrim gives me depressionwhen will they release frierens game
>>735022483I wish Noita wasn't s stupid rougelikeI wanna slowly build up more and more powerful wands, not play roullete
>>735021031why are there literally zero wizard games with OP's pics vibe? its always loud, bombastic anime bullshit.
>>735021031there is no game that does wizards perfectly because no one wants to boot up a game to go to school
>>735024076Zactronics game sell well enough
>>735021031Each fantasy universe has its on magic system and rules, no two wizards will be the same across the boundry.
>>735023708Magicka does some things right but mouse movement and the wacky swedecuck reddit ""humor"" ruin the entire experience.
>>735024115they make programming puzzles, are you suggesting wizardry in games should be programming puzzles?
>>735024005Masculine urge to travel the land, give my wisdom to some shitty hobbits and decrypt ancient runes at the light of my camfire
>>735024076bro has never heard of factorio
>>735023986Backup your save instead of playing it like the retarded masses.
Is there at least some strategy/turn based game where magic is satisfying? Like AoE exploding them goblins
>>735024218I like playing it on the steamdeck and that's annoyingBut there is a new steam save extension I installed, I should try it with that
>>735024198literally this is all i want. i dont wanna go out and shoot fireballs at goblins for the 50th billionth time. i wanna spread my kind, empathetic wisdom to the people as an act of service for mankind while roaming the world in solitude, silently watching and protecting mortal lives.
>>735024240Master of Magic? Heroes of Might and Magic? Age of Wonders?
>>735024182We already have the factory sims for funneling programming autists. We need some cryptic shit to learn and find in ot linear way, like Outer Wilds, but instead of logs there are spells, rituals, potions and lore that allow you to find some ancient grove or something
>>735024353You don't get it
>>735024198Has that ever been the plot of a game? Where you're the powerful wizard who occasionally interacts and travels with the "protagonists" but also goes around alone doing vaguely mysterious and mystical side quest shit to further the plot and help them out.
>>735024352Well, I want to do this, and THEN and SOMETIMES go full apeshit erasing whole goblin villages from the land. Because they didn't listen and only pretend to have feeling or something
>>735024121Post it.
>>735023489expand on this, how did it handle wizards
>>735024502i dont think, so but i would love a game like that. I kinda would love a game like Pathologic where i play as a wizard trying to solve problems through my wisdom and influence rather than active high magic usage. Haruspex is "kinda" like this, as he is a believer in divination through reading and interpreting the lines found in the sinew of organs, but he is more contextualized as a doctor than a wizard, i guess.
>>735024598You and I both see it with the third eye, no need for simple matters of imagery to spoil our thread full of wisdom
>>735024434i'm working on a necromancy game which is less about shooting green orbs on the ground to summon skeletons and more like alchemy, but with body parts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9THu8lwXIuc
>>735024240Dominions 4, 5, 6.
>>735024598
>>735024502closest to that is YS except Adol's not a wizard
>>735025038Either of them good in single-player?
>>735021031Diablo and Nethack
>>735024352Neat idea but how would that work as a game?
>>735024660I just woke up and read t he OP as "what games do wizards"
>>735025395
>>735023986>I wanna slowly build up more and more powerful wands...that's literally what you do in the fucking game. you've never played it have you?
>>735024198I always found it really sad how wizards in video games and TTRPGs are less like Gandalf, whom I adore, and more like Tim the Enchanter from Monty Python and the Holy Grail, who is very funny, but doesn't really come across as a wizard but more as a modern-day soldier with a grenade launcher.
>>735024660Memorize this, and then you tell your melees (read: retards) which weapon skills to use so you can magic burst off reverberation since the monster you're fighting is attuned to fire.
>>735021809Agreed. Some of the best quick paced magic gameplay I've experienced in a long time
>>735025613nta but I forgot how retardly complex FF11 is.
>>735025538And then you die and have to start all over with RNG decide what you makeThere's no fun having a cool want if you accidentally set off a chain explosion and lose it and then have to mix and match random crap together
>>735021809>>735025656Counter point, look at this garbage
Irl magic and wizards is reading fucking books and scrolls all day than doing one elaborate ritual that takes 10 days so you can shoot one bolt of piss lightning once in a decade Shit would be gay
>>735025762What's the issue?
>>735021031Mage Arena
>>735025141>makes a goddess fall in love with himAdol's a gigachad
>>735025540when i was a little kid watching Holy Grail with my dad, and this scene with Tim the Enchanter came up, Arthur and his Knights clapped at the fireworks and I started clapping at the TV too. Made him crack up.Man you reminded me of an ancient memory.
>>735025848Everything in that image offends my taste in aesthetics
>>735025038>>735025215The Dominions general always has games going, but they're ok in single playerTry Conquest of Elysium for single player, its by the same people
>>735025820You're not wrong, but by Jove that's the kind of wizard I love. The only game where they sort of have that feeling is - to my knowledge at least - Master of Magic (the old one)
>>735025936Ok. Thankfully games are made for more people than you
>>735026039Wtf I didn't allow that
>>735025959Which is the best Dominion to play? Should I just go for the newest one?
>>735025820Cultist Simulator is a good shoutYou start out knowing nothing, you read books, get followers, try some rituals and nothing happensThen suddenly you've accidentally a demon and its eaten one of your best followers
>>735024774this fellow is well steeped in the aethereal plane
>>735025661I was going to make a joke. But realized I'm still in the tutorial section of the 500 page guide of how to level up and get decent gear first before starting any of the questlines to maybe one day after 300 hours participate in multiplayer endgame content.
>>735025919Sounds neat and wholesome
>>735025675You can download a respawning mod and just explore if thats more your style.
>>735025848It looks gay as fuck retardMen don’t have an innate desire to be furry little purple monkeys jumping around in the land of diversity and inclusion. How do you go through life not seeing that shit as the cringe bullshit that it is? Its wild to me that you people exist.
>>735025762
>>735026119I didnt play it much cause I wasnt rich enough like my middle class friends back in high school. But they use to tell me about all the complicated shit you had to do. And then I went online to read guides, cause again poor high schooler, and saw how situational a lot of stuff was like what weapons to use on certain monsters. And I always thought the 2 hour cooldown of class skills the most retarded thing ever. FF14 players dont realize how good they have it with only 2 min to 5 min cd on big skills.
>>735021031In terms of power fantasy? Dragons Dogma 1 and 2.
>>735025848Honest question here: are you also fine with this picture? Because to me it's the same thing. It's modern D&D; not from one of their rulebooks, but posted on their official Twitter or some such.
>>735026161Doesn't that turn off all the events or something?
>>735026324I hate tumblr art so much
>>735025675git gud and be more careful. simple as.download the mod to always start with the "tinker with wands anywhere" perk
>>735026445nta but I just choose not to download indie games
>>735026324>>735026178filtered by orlans
>>735026445How can you get it legitimately?
>>735026105Dom 6 has the most stuff and the better engine
>>735026324>not from one of their rulebooksthen why are you mad? Just make your own campaign without gay tieflings then
>>735025869Is it three or four goddesses. I don't remember at this point
>>735026489More like your gay ass world is filtered by my taste
>>735024240>>735021734
I want a modern sacrifice NOW
>>735026567I'm not mad, I just dislike that picture. I don't even play Dungeons & Dragons; I was merely asking a question about the aesthetic.
>>735026178>Men don’t have an innate desire to be furry little purple monkeys jumping around in the land of diversity and inclusion.wtf does this sentence even mean
asking but it seems kinda relevant. there was 2d sidescrolling a game in the early 2000 i remember playing where you played as a wizard (with lighting powers? i think?). I don't remember much else, except dying to red spikes alot.
>>735026324>>735025762I'm sorry but this is just objectively uglyI know you have to account for taste and subjectivity but at some point ugly is ugly, like a turd on a canvas
>>735026742based retarded commie
>>735022443>old enough to remember discobro you are way too old to be setting foot in any kind of clubso i am
>>735021031Hadean Lands
>>735026324>a beholder>on the surface world>in the middle of a crowded humanoid town>SMILING, not wrecking destruction and havocwhoever drew this doesnt know a single fucking thing about d&d, they just want to infect it with their mental illness
>>735026569I've only played the first two games. More goddesses want his cock? What a goddamn stud
>>735026874
>>735026324I like the use of color but the faces are a bit uncanny in how they’re rounded. Poorly done shapes in general really. But it’s not like I look at the picture and instantly recoil or whatever.
I'm sorry I derailed the thread with the ugly picture, it's ugly let's just move on
>>735026324this is just really annoying for something that at its core is about killing your enemies to get more powerful
>>735026324What is the most condescending word I can put on this picture?Fagmosexual?Buttfuckery?or just the ol' reliable GAAAY
>>735027189>dint answer my question>posts unrelated spam pictureis this a bot?
>>735027189its so funny how you are literally doing what you say the left do. Take your meds and go to sleep
>>735027358>he keeps pretending not to understand Can't you just suicide already and save everyone that ever knew you the pain of putting up with you?
>>735026649Same.
A wizard should able to turn tides in battles between large armies. All this class variety and balance shit means we will never have proper wizards.Why would a wizard bother to trod in the mud with sword wielding plebs when he is no more powerful than any of them.
>>735027248What did you think was gonna happen retard?
>>735021031Noita and Outward for sure
>>735027370>accuse your enemy of doing what you are doing and of being what you areYou projecting clowns are hilarious
>>735027593>Why would a wizard bother to trod in the mud with sword wielding plebs when he is no more powerful than any of them.Because it happened in Lord of the Rings and all fantasy games are inspired by that
>>735021031None
>>735027598I just pressed the hide button already, they can keep arguing in the shadow realm
>>735027650>chuds too dumb to seek helpGo figure.
>>735027767use your brain before you post next time retard
>>735027832Nah, I'm not going to censor myself because retards can't help but turn everything into /pol/shit flinging
>>735026105Each iteration is the same game with new features, content, and improvements.
>>735027820>they are weak and need help like melol, lmao. Imagine getting mogged by chuds.
>>735027871>post offtopic /pol/bait to complain about offtopic nonsense>oh no why is the thread derailed into /pol/ now? im so sorry guys I didn't mean to derail the thread!retarded monkey
>>735027991How is it off topic?>Anon recommends game>I check Steam>It looks ugly and I say it's ugly>Turns out it being ugly or not is an important point in an online political debate I'm not part of and don't care about
Maybe next thread will be better wizardbros...
>>735027702Well, he did reveal his power level when necessary.
>>735026324The gay pastel Beholder looking on approvingly to the gay sex festival never stops being funny.
>>735028067>it looks uglyIn what world does it look ugly you autistic /pol/tard? Too colorful for your shit-encrusted ass?
>>735021115The magic system was the only actual good thing about that game and I really wish there was an actual good game with it
>>735024005>>735024198>>735024502There aren't any because that would require good writing and if you know anything about good writers then you would know they are contemptuous toward video games. And even if you were to convince one to write a plot for a video game chances are money will be massive issue for so many reasons that it would take me entire day to explain every single one.
>>735028067>im sorry guys how could I have known? waah forgive me!!retarded nigger. maybe next time stick to gameplay and don't ruin a thread because you got triggered by a screenshot
>>735027623>>735021531hoping that Outward 2 will be more polished, I have high hopes for it since I enjoyed the first game despite it being like a 6/10
>>735028227>>735028156Nah you fags are just as bad>No you can't say it's ugly, that's a POLITICAL statement
Lisp, it's a chose your own adventure RPG and puzzle game with very deep lore
>>735028270>WAAH its ugly!>who cares>UM, have you seen this /pol/bait image? what do you think about it?>OMG I didn't mean to derail the thread guys totally not a shitposter haha
>>735028371I just posted this>>735025762It's both you fags that made it into a very important political argument
>>735028270How is it ugly?
>>735028207i could imagine the kurvitz team of disco elysium writers could do it. i bet you all hate that game though. if not, then definitely the pathologic team could do it.
>>735026324I hate this and other bait pictures like it, because that's all you fags post on fantasy or DnD topics. You probably don't even have anything else dnd related saved on your PC that isn't one of these infinitely reposted garbage pics. Fuck you, you are just as bad as people who drew this.
>>735028207Try Betrayal At Krondor
As far as gameplay goes, I believe magic should fundamentally play differently to martial.If I press x to swing my sword as a fighter, but then I also press x to throw a fireball as a wizard, it does not feel very interesting. This is why I think symphony of the night did its limited magic well. You need to do fighting game style motion inputs to cast spells.
>>735024352>>735024198Read the "A Wizard of Earthsea" quartet by Le Guin, it's got a lovely way of handling wizards/magic.
Baldur's Gate 2. If you want pure chaos and madness with an even higher power level, take Wild Mage. Eventually he becomes a reality bending god and even his wild surges are beneficial in 70% of cases.Legacy patch Underrail with tranquility onmicaster. Not the strongest build but insanely enjoyable. Fuck you Styg.Wo Long captures chinese kung fu magicians just right. There's Wuxing system which allows you to counter boss spells with a spell of a correct counter element. There are all types of cool and flashy looking spells, spells that lift you in the air, teleport you around, launch you back, rush you forward, all of this interacts with the combat system in a really satisfying way.
>>735021031Magicka.
>>735027236>I like the use of color but the faces are a bit uncannyTumblr's curse is that they can never do faces because they can never bring themselves to make something good or even sexy. Almost 99% of them have autistic face blindness and also go into screaming fits when they see a woman who weighs less than a mac truck. That's why all of their art has hideous penis noses
Ultimately, wizardry is about the pursuit of hidden knowledge. Magic itself is something strange and esoteric that the masses know little about. Casting a fireball is closer to the wizard doing a calculus formula in his head. But representing this in gameplay is kind of difficult. No one wants to solve for x to cast a fireball
A game need balance, and if the class wizard is too much balanced, it simply isn't that kind of wizard
>>735029248Gothic kinda came close with the fact you need to actively seek and study knowledge to become a magician, and it's still hard until late game.
A wizard game should have more utility spells than combat spells.
>>735029261RPGs don't need balance. In fact the balance is absolutely impossible in this genre and every single game that tried to fuck with it just shot itself in the leg without achieving anything, like pillars of eternity where wizards are still bullshit strong but also insanely dull.
>>735029248Wizardry is about getting that damn amulet, no matter how many people have to die to make it happen.
>>735021031There is one answer, though you may not be happy to hear it.Skyrim with mods
>>735027012It's the same kind of people that turned orcs into poor little victims of society in that netflix LotR show
>>735021031Dragon's Dogma.
I'm really baffled that there's still no game that takes you on a journey from apprenticeship to an archmage. Feels like it's just a giant pile of money waiting for its owner.
>>735021031noita does the ascension to godlike powers and the downfall of hubris very well
>>735026324Friendly reminder that Stranger Things did this.
>>735029607We will never have proper mage game like we will never have a proper lord of the rings adventure in a video game.
>>735029390In the end a spell is just a tool, how you use it really depends on you.Just like a knife can be used to cut something, or someone, so does casting a fireball can be used to light a candle, or some peasants on fire because it's funny.
>>735022610Dragon's dogma is peak. A sorcerer or mage with the right kit can delete almost anything.
>>735029708
>>735029635Cringical Role predates Stranger Fags by a year or so.
>>735029797It's a peak of awesome button game design. Dante is unironically a more interesting "magician" via his devil weapons.
>>735024005just do an elden ring run as an astronomer.stargaze, roam, and be the consort of ourgirl Ranni
I'm the only one who ever mentions it in these threads but Lost Magic on the DS>casting magic is done by drawing runes>there are 6 elements with runes to use, 3 runes per element.>runes have a progression, basic runes are simple to draw, advanced runes are more complex>start with basic fire and light rune, a fireball and a heal spell respectively. slowly begin to learn more as you progress through the story>eventually learn to combine runes.>can combine basic fire rune with basic light rune to make a ray of light that moves through walls, but combining in the opposite order with light then fire gets a slow cure.>over 400 combinations of spells, from creating walls and blocking terrain to using wind to teleport across the map to summoning floods that damage everything on the map including you, to summoning a dragon made of pure light to attack your foes
reading this thread makes me realize that we desperately need a spiritual sequel to arx fatalis
>>735029889This anons gets it
>>735029889i explicitly said i dont want bombastic anime bullshit
A good mage is nothing without a good robe. Unfortunately moden devs are too scared of clipping to implement them these days. Justice for robes!!
>>735029889Prisoner has a better vibe. Don't be a slave to the stars, treat them as tools and make the witch bitch fall for you.
>>735029923>spiritual sequel to arx fatalisWhat is Dark Messiah?
>>735030036nah>>735029923i got you brohttps://store.steampowered.com/app/908360/Monomyth/
>>735029708I've recently read Howl's Moving Castle after rewatching the Ghibli version and i would fucking kill for an RPG where you play as a Howl tier asshole wizard doing magical things and wooing every single wench around.
>>735030028It's all in the hat!
>>735024121what os is your orb running on?
>>735029625So how do you pronounce Wand then
10 anon-creds to anyone finds the twitter screencap that came from this thread
>ctrl+f noita>6 resultsBased.Your game's magic isn't good enough if it isn't possible to slow it down to a crawl and then crash it because of your unhinged magical experiments with multiplying spells.
Which one are (you)?
>>735030392"Wand"
>>735030392taikasauva
>>735030560Arcanist, the bigger the explosion, the better.
>>735030557If only Noita was a good game to go along with it.
>>735030560Illusionist so I can make an army of nothing but mirrors that spawn hundreds of illusion creatures
>>735030560neither, all paths to power and glory are equal. only some retarded faggot would scorn the ones he's not on
>>735030702This. Rougelikes are a cop out
Elden Ring is kinda underrated as a caster game. Martial builds in this game are fucking dull and boring and while the casting system limitations still show themselves (for example with the dogshit spell roulette system that really needs to be modernized, and terrible windup animations disabling any sort of fluidity between melee and casting), it's still one of the best wizard games of the last decade.
>>735026831the only people who believe idiocy like that picture don't understand that far right and far left (the actual far right) is just different brands of communists, one traditional, one revised with nationalism.
>>735030560Demonologist Warlockthe powers of Hell bend before me
>>735030798Chugging should force you to stay completely still during the entire animation like in DS1.
Older Elder scrolls games with spellcrafting have a special place in my heart.Using spells that break the game really feels like you're a wizard whos learning to alter the rules of reality.
>>735030873chugging should be slow as fuck and only available to the host like the good ol days.
>>735022610My favorite part about 2 was making the ultimate mobility wizard with all the different skills in the custom classI saw that mountain? I would climb it
One of my favorite archetypes of caster is an oracle/seer but no games ever do it because representing it as a playable character is hard.
>>735031061Xenoblade 1 lmao.
>a billion of JRPGs about swordsmen hero>not a single fucking one about a cool mage MC
I remember some old RPGs used to make spellcasters really overpowered but at level 1 they would have 2 hp and not enough mp to cast even one spell and , hardly any item carrying capacity. While fighter classes had huge inventories, more health, more accuracy, etc. This was before the days of “game balance” arrived. I guess a popular close example would be FF1 NES version but CRPGs from back then went even harder
Would noita be a good game if it had a checkpoint system instead of being a roguelike?
>>735028359>(((Lisp)))
How about magicraft?
>>735031231Yes, it should be 50 hours of you slowly building up to become the most powerful mage (witch?)Not playing roullete for wand parts
>>735021031is that image ai
>>735031231No.
>>735031094Just finished that game actually. I did really love the vision system
>>735029523Yeah, just mod in requiem, a wizard hat, more spells, and overhaul winterhelm collage
>>735021031Skyrim
>>735031231No, not really.As it is only the main path is interesting, exploring the outside is pretty boring, bosses are poorly designed(kill them in 5 seconds or you are dead) and there isn't that much interesting stuff to do or find(beyond autistic questlines that you did not figure out on your own).
>>735031409The point is if it wasn't a rouglike you could add those interesting things instead of using rolling for wands as a crutch
>>735031524Sure, but that would be like reworking 90% of the game.Would it be good if you did that? Maybe, but it's not that easy to make a good game.Just adding checkpoints sure wouldn't fix anything.
>>735030614Well I feel foolish
>>735030984you mean the wayfarer or warfarer? it's the peak arisen class.
thread themehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHN-ceEbonI
>>735026510It's not that uncommon but you don't need it. There are dozens of ways to tinker whenever you need to.
>>735031524DoubtThose interesting things are all thereThe WORLD is always the same, only some layouts are changedThere is always a PyramidThere is always a skull in the desertThere is always a lake and a boat house
Unless the game is purely about playing as a wizard I doubt they can get the feel right. Magic is just inherently unbalanced when compared to things like archers and swordsman.
Wanna marry into a magical family and learn magic
>>735021031Any game where you can actually be a wizard instead of some twink with magical powers? I want the beard, robe, staff and wizard hat the whole shebang
>>735031398>more spells>throw a blue orb>throw a green orb>throw a red orb
>>735031630Yeah, I had all the mobility skills on itThe ice pillars, the staff floating, the double jump (I think?)It was fun to get to the out of bounds areas
>>735029219>learn black hole>use only that and feed it with boulders for the rest of the game
>>735031684it's balanced in the sense that they are glass cannons. just run up to them and slash them. their little bitch cloth robes ain't stopping cold steel
>>735031858any rpg with a character creator
>>735032080i don't think i ever did that. can you icepillar>doublejump>float in one go?
>>735030852cringe fedora magic. literally the hubris of king solomon as a class
>>735021031Dominions and Conquest of Elysium do magic the best.No other game lets you create an abomination of bones and flesh, lose control of it and then you just watch as it rampages around the map as everything it kills increases its health until it seemingly stack overflows and dies.Hell you can even summon a god to aid you, but god thinks you're a bitch so it fights you and you kill your own god.
>>735031146JRPG fans refuse to play anything where you cant be a faggy little tranime twink and a wizard game would mean you have to be a badass old man.
>say I enjoyed a games magic system>close thread>hours later see it again>some /pol/roach seethed so hard at my post he argued for hours about not magicWeird as cracker. It's a first person rpg to so at the very least post the cool lizards and other enemies.
>>735032150I prefer Thunder Bolt>predictable hitting pattern (Shielded -> Armored -> Highest -> Nearest)>deal 5000 damage to target>7500 if the enemy have armor>spray them with water>now deal 10k and 15k damage to enemies>can fire that magick like a machine gun and wipe the entire screen in seconds
>>735032158like the wizards in conan?>rip out souls with just a look>summon a torture dungeon from hell>survive for hundrets of years in a mausoleum>flee the battlefield with just your head intact>die to a thrown sword
>>735032326You can be a young wizard guy in the beginning of his career. Would make god killing actually feel earned.
>>735031684This is exactly why we need a game purely about a wizard. One-character wizard dungeon crawler for example.
Morrowind >>734941596
>>735032265shut up moralfag
You will never be a real wizard. You have no spellbook, you have no staff, you have no wand. You are a martialfag twisted by enchanted gear and special abilities into a crude mockery of arcane’s perfection.All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your sparkling appearance behind closed doors.Mages are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of studying have allowed casters to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even paladins who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a mage. Your fighting stance is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk apprentice home with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he spots your empty bookshelves.You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a wand of disintegration, charge the spell, aim at your head, and embrace into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name and class, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a fighter is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is an armor that is unmistakably made for warriors.This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
>level 1: dies to a chilly breeze when first recruited, requires constant babysitting to level up, hangs out at home or the library all day>level 7+: teleports halfway across the map, one shots everything with magical meteors, then takes 5 minutes to walk back home and hang out there or the libraryLove these lil niggas.
>>735032743>Wizards vs Sorcerers
I'm not sure if this is how everyone else interprets the fantasy of being a Wizard, but I always see it as being the one with a perfect answer to any problem all accessible at your fingertips, and it's up to your own intellect to figure out what in your vast arsenal is right.In this vein, Morrowind, Baldur's Gate 2, and World of Warcraft Classic (playing enhancement shaman, incidentally) are the only games I can remember that really fit that fantasy
>>735032196Yes, at least with a keyboard/mouse, it night be more difficult to switch weapons quick enough on a controller
>>735032974>BG2 sorcerer laughs
>>735025762How embarrassing, it looks like your typcal 2020-2026 AAA game released for the ps4.
>>735022892Based aunt-fucker
>>735021031>Fuck DEI Potter>Fuck DEI & DragonsWhen are THEY finally getting a game, /v/?
>>735033439Never hopefullyDid you need see what they did to The Watch?
>>735033549>Did you need see what they did to The Watch?What did they do?
I really liked the wizard aesthetics of elden ring, I wish there was a whole game around something similar to it and the underground cities (pre destruction obviously)
>>735033615https://discworld.fandom.com/wiki/Constable_Cheery_(The_Watch)
>>735033615>>735033730To Clarify further, The Watch tv show was so abominable that Rhianna Pratchett refused to be attached to or endorse it.
>>735033730Is the show any good besides this?
>>735033439>time for my most powerful spell
>>735033701>underground roman cities and weirdo cosmic wizard roman fashion>actual, functional royal magical academy and you're its student in the beginning>can communicate with otherworldly and cosmic entitiesFuck me i want a full game like this
>>735033803>>735033810Damn nvm, that sucks
>>735033439A 3rd one you mean?
>>735033810What are you fucking stupid?
>>735026567How about just abandoning D&D? The entire system is shit, from lore, to tone to systems. Run pathfinder instead and regain some dignity.
>>735033872Lady Ramkin was a regular sized black woman
>>735033847the wizard towers are comfy as fuck, tooimagine living in the altus one or the one in dragonbarrow (pre rot obviously) and studying magic and the stars
>>735033847can they even make ONE fucking pre cataclysm setting for ONCE?
>>735028598DnD is dead, it's corpse got raped and is now being puppeteered by mentally ill faggot, trannies and redditors. 5e is a terrible terrible system that does not work unless half the systems are homebrewed. Abandon it.
>>735033928pathfinder is even worse somehow
>>735028359Book?
>>735033615To illustrate how shit it is, here's a list of things the show features>Sybil is the leader of a vigilante group seeking to avenge her parents>Cheery is a tranny human who identifies as a dwarf>Angua is the one who teaches Carrot the ropes>Vimes is a punk rocker>Death is a whiny asshole who hates his job>Dibbler is a genderbent wheelchair bound information broker>Carcer was Vimes' childhood friend lashing out at being wronged in the past>Nobby and Colon don't exist>Vetinari and Wonse are both women and both outright villainsCan you spot which one I made up?You probably saw this coming, but it's all real
>>735034207Literally impossible.
>>735028250Seems like that's how everyone feels about the game. Possibly one of the better mediocre games out there. Still had fun.
>>735034357no not really
>>735034207Nah, D&D is ass from A to Z but Pathfinder is fine if you just throw away golarion, which everyone already does anyway
>>735034417both 1e and 2e are bad systems
>>735034267I'm still upsetThe original pitch for The Watch was like CSI Ankh-Morpork with unique stories
>>735034357i never got why sven went with baldurs gate 3 instead of making a game in his own setting again.
>>735034267These are truly dark times we're living in
>>735034267>>Nobby and Colon don't existAt least they know rest from this evil.>>735034512>CSI Ankh-Morpork with unique storiesNow that would be a good series, as long as the writing was near Pratchett's level.
>>735034523he has talked about this, the point of BG3 was to get a popular IP in order to propel Larian into a household namein other words, he said adding cinematics was the next big evolution for his games but it was risky, having it be attached to a well known IP would minimize the riskin hindsight they probably should've gotten an IP with less mechanical baggage so they'd have more freedom in systems design but you can't say his plan didn't work
>>735034357Anon is right, if you're going to play 3rd at least play the superior 3.5 ed instead of PF.>>735034523>i never got why sven went with baldurs gate 3It's called "brand recognition", young man. And he was hired to do it.
>>735034385Do go on, how is pathfinder worse than DnD's 5e and faggot-tranny-PoC alliance?
>>735034671as if dos2 isn't recognized and don't call me young man. i'm old enough to
>>735034523Doing BG3 skyrocketed their revenue and name recognition. While wizards were reportedly absolute cunts to deal with and practically sabotaged the script repeatedly, they still got a pretty good return on that gig.
>>7350344481e is just dnd 3.5, which was the last time DnD was good. 2e is a functioning system with rules instead of handwaves and homebrews. Is it really just the fear of learning a new system that hampers you?
>>735034783>as if dos2 isn't recognizedKeywords: he was hired.>>735034783>i'm old enough toTo what? Write like an adult? I don't think so.
>>735028359https://youtu.be/aHk42kDwesM
>>735034754the system is worse, and even if you are a terminally online loser with politics paizo is just as socially progressive as wotc>>735034832dnd was never a good system. learn this truth and be freeI like 2e's three action system, but everything else is mediocre
>>735028598I use the picture as a reminder of how bad modern DnD is, and that my homebrew system which is just based on Homeric myth is better than whatever gay shit is going on.That and I also hate how neutered gameplay is in 5E (especially leave my fucking crits alone)
>>735034868old enough to deliver obvious punchlines
>>735034754pathfinder is just dip heaven
>>735034783DoS isn't recognized outside the genre though, BG literally blasted through every single barrier and hit even the normalfag gamer sphere.Hopefully Divinity 3 will be just as good.
>>735034886>dnd was never a good systemIt was fast and easy to learn, hence the popularity. I mean, your dumber friends can't really play Traveler or Rolemaster.
>>735034982In my experience I feel people are either smart enough for trpgs, or they're not. I mean I've had normalfag friends who couldn't even play 5e. If you actually know how you're supposed to interact at the table you can play any system I feel.
Isn't it crazy how to this day not one game, and I mean *NOT ONE SINGLE GAME*, has tried to make you feel like an omnipotent all-powerful borderline eldritch wizard? One that can use telekinesis, ragdoll enemies and choke them, bring down meteors, summon demons, phase through attacks, and so on?The game that got the closest to this is Star Wars Force Unleashed
>>735031878>Install apocalypse magic mod>Summon safehouse with bed as portable housing>Call down meteors or turn fees into living time bombs>Illusion goes from useless to broken from its master spells>Alteration becomes busted with spells such as burying enemies which instakills them with no loot
>>735035065The problem is that devs don't want to release a game that is only about being a wizard, because that would be too risky. So you can always be either a wizard or a low IQ swordsman. So the wizard is balanced around the lowest common denominator (the swordsman) for balancing reasons. This is why wizards are always weak.SWFU is the one game where your only option is the "wizard", so they can do the power fantasy properly.
>>735034886Paizo is nowhere near as progressive as wotc and you know it goddamn well. wotc is one of the most obnoxiously progressive entities in entertainment.Even if you think 2e is by and large mediocre, and that the 3 action system is good (which is the main system of 2e) then you categorically like it more than 5e, considering you even think 3.5e was not good. So why all this sophistry? Seems like you agree that pathfinder is better than DnD
>>735035198why invest so much energy into thinking about these companies if you know nothing about them? lol
>>735034951And? What's wrong with multi classing? Has decades of not being allowed to be more than level 9 destroyed your ability to plan a lvl 15-20 character that can actually do stuff?
>>735034783Dos2 was considered a respectable hit, not a mega hit.It was also considered fun in spite of several flaws on release, rather than a masterpiece that would have people lining up for their next game.Don't get me wrong here, BG3 has many of the issues that Dos2 does, and it also shared having some egregious bugs later in the game which were ultimately fixed, but the vast majority of normalfags either don't realise these flaws exist or don't care.
>>735035198He's just doing the TTRPG version of the classic>every game is shit, no I won't name any good games though>ok fine since you've forced my hand, [old shit for posers] is the best game
>>735035065it's funny that these games are built onto relatively small thingshalf of force unleashed's hype is the fact you can use the force to bring a spaceship down twice in the gamethis is easy to put in the game and pretty much immortalizes itreminds me of mgr that lives rent free inside the minds of its fans because of the over-the-top cinematicsthe japanese are truly built different
>>73502923910/10
>>735034961>Hopefully Divinity 3 will be just as good.I have hope because they have more money and reliance on 5e only hindered their game design. They should just go back to DOS2 and expand on those ideas while adding more build options and systemic depth and the like. Despite the unintended consequences of the armor system DOS2 has my favorite combat of any game.They seem to be bringing back the open world idea from Divine Divinity/Alpha DOS2 as wellI really hope they don't gut surface autism just because niggers complained
>>735026831>fail to understand basic English>clearly this means my political opposition is incoherent and not that I'm the one who's low IQ
>>735035272most of my problems with DOS2 were fixed in BG3 funnily enough, all of BG3's problems were introduced in that game
>>735035352If the shift during BG3's EA is any indication, they'll make surfaces present but reduce what causes them.I'll just be happy if I can bless a surface without it instantly being reverted back, because actually being able to pull that off against Isbeil made her tactician fight feel like bullying.
>>735035246So deflect and run away instead of engaging with my accusations. I accept your concession.
>>735035198>Paizo is nowhere near as progressive as wotcPaizo is way worse IMO. WotC is a soulless husk owned by Hasbro and subject to their retarded shareholders and their CEOs overlords. Paizo are woke by their own will.
>>735035516unironically crafting sentences like "Paizo is nowhere near as progressive as wotc and you know it goddamn well" just shows you are not worth taking seriously
>>735035272bg3 bored me beyond fuck. and i finished dos2 3 times. i think normalfags just jumped on the hypetrain and didn't even play the fucking game.
I thought I was the coolest shit in runescape when I killed some wizard from that stone circle and put on his cloak and used some fire runes to shoot fireballs. I had unlimited power
>>735025848bruh
>>735035498Swen on a stream said "people responded negatively to elemental gameplay in BG3", referring to the EA stuff.I REALLY hope he realized that its just because people did not want BG3 to play similar to DOS2 (remember the DOS3 claims were rampant at that time) rather then a rejection of deep surface gameplay as a whole.Generally I feel people's actual problems with the surface gameplay in DOS2 are>exaggerated artstyle often leads to cluttered battlefields, making tactical thinking cumbersome>Curse and Bless costing Source Points discourages people from every playing around with what really makes the system interestingfix this and I think vastly fewer people would complain about surface gameplay existingthough it is funny that they introduced equally visually distracting "Cursed Fire" in BG3 but because its only in the House of Hope nobody complained.
>>735021031Thats a herm or a stele.They are phallic structures.Gay wizardGay prison planet world
>>735035785it's a stone with runes. a rune stone. keep your gay thoughts to yourself
>>735035581Every single person who praises the game I met say they just keep replaying the first chapter in a "new run with a different character". And I doubt they even do that.
>>735035556Show me a single instance of Paizo being worse than wotc and I will admit that you were right.
Give me your most autistic magic system ideas for your perfect wizard game.
>>735035581Going by achievement rates, more people finished bg3 than os2 (23% on any mode for 3 vs 11% for 2)It's likely due to the nameless isle being a slog and Arx's best encounters all being endgame
>>735035891That's because the second act is dark, dreary, and linear. The third act just falls off a cliff because they rushed the game out the door. I liked the game and even i dropped it in act 3. It wouldn't surprise me if 90% of players never got past act 1.
>>735035853runes are characters from one of the futhark alphabets the ancient germanics usedyou can't just draw some interconnecting jagged lines and call it a rune. That'd be like making a bunch of curved squiggly lines and calling it hiragana.
>>735035524So wotc is not infested with office queens and bipoc golems?Maybe I am way out of touch, but I've not seen Paizo do anything near as bad as wotc's world retcons to be more inclusive.
>>735035926idk, im not you so I can't pinpoint what triggers you more.but paizo have multiple trans characters in their modules that play important roles, and they literally banned slavery from being discussed as a topic>b-but wotc did something even worse!I don't care. You didn't even realize why I dismissed you. Fuck, actually wanting to get into a pissing contest over which corporation is more le woke. What went wrong in your life?
>>735035976why is the nameless isle so shit? what should have been there to make it not shit? just scrapping it and directly going to the last map would have been better
>>735030560What would a wizard that turns everyone else into women be called? Because that would be me.
>>735029889Magic is so lame. Its just spamming missile over and over.
>>735035983Act 3 is very fun when there are no bugsIt sucks that the legitimately well designed sandbox of the lower city won't ever be really recognized because Todd decided to shadow drop his shitty game a week after the planned release of BG3
>>735036171For me it was the fact that the narrative was so insistent about this being it, that divinity was right around the corner, all while hoping nobody noticed how many quests they had culminating in Arx.It was blatantly obvious there was going to be a reversal.
>>735021031Hey Wizard
>>735022443>discoYou 70+ anon? Why still her?
>>735036151I don't give a shit if Paizo demand their forum users to have profile pictures of themselves with a buttplug in you retard. If the system and world is not made pozzed then what does it fucking matter? That's why wotc and DnD is unusable, the system sucks and the world/setting is pozzed.
>>735036171I don't hate it as much but here are the pinpoint issues I feel most could agree with>not as much content>most quests are pretty linear compared to other quests in the game>Sallow Man is underused>Black Ring is just randomly there>Alexander reviving AGAIN just for more forced drama is annoying>not much is done with expanding your relations with the gods, making the final twist feel like it comes out of nowhere (though its cool in concept)>Godwoken race is a lame encounter>(I don't think this is a problem but) Dallis interfering with you again makes people angry I imagine>>735036303That too
I don't want to read this entire thread.Was the ultimate wizard game already mentioned?
>>735036449Morrowind
>>735036178A gendermancer? Womanizer? I have no idea dude.
>>735036178Lesbomancer
>>735036449yes
>>735036449Yep. turns out its modded minecraft.
>>735023708I'm very assblasted that the devs ruined the game and I can't play it now.
>>735036449the problem is that there isn't anything good so people started coming up with potential wizard games
>>735036517ThaumcraftGOD I kneel
>>735033832https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAyPBuqGFU
>>735036489Feel like the problem with being a wizard in Morrowind is it requires really going into alchemy then enchanting to get the full feeling of power without running out of magicka after 3 spells. Compared to a mentally retarded barbarian who can just run around and delete shit and chug 10 bottles of hard liquor to give him further retard strength destroying everything in his path.
>>735036517What actually is a good magic mod for minecraft, most of the ones i've played are just tech mods with wifi pipes and 'magical' crystal instead of circuits.
What game has the most open and free magic system?I love shit like Magicka where you can do stuff like combine fire spell and water spell to make steam, but Magicka itself is pretty limited.Noita comes to mind, but MOST of the customization in Noita is just combining modifiers/triggers and casting multiple spells at the same time. You're not exactly combining the spells in the way I'm talking about.
>>735027820>therapy>helpIf you knew anything about actual science, you'd realize how therapy is literally all made up jewish bullshit with nothing even resembling real science backing it up.
>>735035963A system similar to helldivers where you press an activation key and then enter a button prompt combination. The more powerful the spell the more complex the button combination and the harder it will backfire if you make a mistake.
>>735036065>Maybe I am way out of touchMaybe you're can't read?>I've not seen Paizo do anything near as bad as wotc's world retcons Slavery doesn't even exist in Golarion, Anon.
>>735036916>oh my scienceFuck off redditor.
>>735030798>Elden Ring is kinda underrated as a caster gameIt is absolutely not.
>>735036892I was mostly just joking. I only play tech mods.Electroblob'z wizarddry, ars magica 2, and roots seem pretty cool.
>>735035963Spells are created entirely via cauldron recipes using particular ingredients. The way spells are cast in battle is the cauldron liquid is used to fill shell casings and the wizards fire their spells out of guns.This has been done at least one before, but I think it was done badly.
>>735021115>Two Worlds 2He, hehe, good
>>735036892Thaumcraft(Old versions) + addonsArs Noveau
>>735035963VR game with hand tracking.Spells are hand signs like Naruto jutsu.
>>735022610>>735029797Are you kidding? yes wizards have more mobility but the attack system is so bad in 2 that i dropped game for 5 months until i get back again with a melee class.
>>735028598>you are just as bad as people who drew this.my god, we are infested with literal lgbt activists larping as le fellow chuds
>>735036892Psi is the best magic mod. Opposite to most magic mods that are just magic-flavored tech, psi looks and feels like a tech mod but it's magic. You write custom spells through programming that do arbitrary things and cast your spells with a gun.
>>735037438>gun>>735037285>guns
>>735037354Fuck that sounds fun.
>>735037354I'm sure you could rig VR up to Arx Fatalis somehow.
>>735021031Four Crystals of Trazere/Legend.Not only do you have the standard growth of a wizard who starts weak and frail but becomes a walking magic arsenal, you also have your own growth of understanding the spell crafting system and figuring out all the crazy shit you can do with it.
>>735037545There is literally no reason why a wizard wouldn't use guns.>noooo you have to carry a crossbow y-you don't have the right class features t-I cast musket
>>735021031None. The closest is CRPGs with wide spell variety but there's no game that focuses exclusively on wizards and fleshes out their systems and role playing to a satisfying degree
>>735037653>needing anything at all to cast magic in the first place
>>735037083>Fuck off redditor.Redditors are pseuds that scream they love science while in reality they don't understand it on any level. I'm an actual scientist who hates doing science, but understands it.
>>735037043They removed slavery? well fuck me then. Fuck Paizo.
>>735037923retard
>>735037761Why do something you hate?
>>735037963So buttblasted lmao, got your feelings hurt little man?
>>735038061Because I spent a million years in school and it pays well. Believe me, if I ever invest enough to early retire or something, I will.
games that lets me cast a fist?
>>735029607>a chill adventure game where you begin your journey as a young apprentice>travel the world, collect old grimoires, explore abandoned ruins, talk to people and help them with your ever expanding magical knowledge>eventually reach such fantastical areas and magical kingdoms that the mundane beginnings seem like a distant dream>finally become archmage, completely untouchable, immortal and more like a power of nature instead of a man at this point>return to the beginning in your humble robe and wizard hat and hold a fireworks festival at the local village while smoking a pipe and drinking ale
>geomancer>pyromancer>hydromancer>electromancerWhich one are you picking?
>>735038585Entomancer.
>>735038585pyromancer unless its super weak and everything resists fire then either geomancer of electromancer
>>735038585Cunnymancer
>>735026178I see that you are a mandatory self-insert midwit. Know now that other people can enjoy a work without needing to identify personally as the main character.
>>735038662>Power Word: UOOOH!>Flash Correction>Ugleeh Bas'hard's Remote Plap
>>735037404First time on 4chan friend? We've been occupied for years now. Complete global saturation.
>>735037761>I'm an actual scientist who hates doing science, but understands it.Do you actually hate doing science, or do you hate its professional environment? Because I certainly can relate to dropping out of academia out of sheer fucking disdain but I still love my subject.
>>735024005>its always loud, bombastic anime bullshitBecause it's cool.
>>735038585Geomancer. All of those other faggots can cast all their fancy spells meanwhile i just have to hurl a rock at them at high velocity and i just win.
>>735039092Actually it would be pretty useful to undermine castle walls
>>735024005What if Gandalf was a loli?
>>735039160*shota
>>735021263Someone needs to build off Magicka's magic system and make the most awesome mage RPG ever.
>>735036728The most efficient way to cast in Morrowind is to enchant gear with fortify magicka and use it as battery. You'll find so many soul gems in your travels you'll never run out so long as you take care to trap enemies (easily done by just adding soul trap to your custom attack spells).No alchemy required, no enchanting either if you don't mind paying.
>>735039160Nobody would take her seriously, undermining his mission.
>>735039160He's exactly the same but ends all his sentences with "noja"
>>735039308Until she single handedly saves those dwarves from trolls and goblins
>>735039363>Not desu wa
>>735021031>AI slop
>>735039363Based
>>735039160What if Saruman was a bratty mesguaki wizard?
>>735039439>>735039160I need this Isekai NOW
>>735039439The orcs would run a train on her.
Stardew Valley
>>735039404That's how tsundere Boromir-chan ends her sentences, she's a princess you know. well er, heiress to the stewardship anyway
>>735039481New creation method for Uruk-hai....
>>735039516what if i am not a homosexual millennial man that peaked in high school?
>>735039516to bad the MC cant use any magic or learn for the wizard
>>735039439>eeeh? you're afraid to use the palantir?? weakling! weakling! the halfling's leaf has clouded your mind, you old hag!
>>735039568Then you would not have come here.
>>735039516baddew badley
>>735039627What if the Chesire cat was a MSGK loli?
>>735039581I read that in Dio's voice.>HINJAKU HINJAKU!
>>735039668She's not a loli, she has big fat cat tats
>>735039160>lolibaba gandalf
>>735026510If you live long enough, you are guaranteed to eventually find the perk. There's also a boss that drops an item that allows you to edit wands anywhere when held.>>735025675Learn from your deaths. RNG doesn't matter worth shit since you can cobble together some beastly wands with scraps once you know what you're doing.
>>735039439>Sauron's eye is now a bishounen eye and it looks away if it makes eye contact with anyone
>>735038910>Do you actually hate doing scienceI hate the tedium of experiments. I do like the science and presenting and talking to people at conferences and whatnot. I also hate that as I got older, I realized that normal people can get paid well to do retard monkey jobs that require no thinking or effort or real responsibility. I should have just studied marketing or something.
>>735025038Holy kino.
>>735025038>$60 for thisWhat the fuck
>>735030791It's more like an arcade metroidvania
>>735025038>play as the skelechads>cast burden of timefleshfags SEETHING at this one simple trick
>>735039439Would she have drills or himecut?
>>735040212Yes.
>>735040212white hair + himecut as Saruman the white, drills with various highlights when she rebrands herself as the wizard of many colors
>>735034267Why did they bother making this if they were gonna butcher the source material so badly? Holy shit it looks like an absolute disaster and not in a funny way.
>>735033803>Rhianna Pratchettfun fact she wrote Divinity novels
>>735032743>you have no wand>eventually you'll wand yourself to death
>>735040718Who the fuck read that? Either way IIRC she was the main writer for T4ffer. Shout-out to cockrings.
>>735040874>Who the fuck read that?it was kinda required reading if you wanted to figure out what the fuck was going on in Beyond Divinity or who the hell Ygerna was
>>735040578Same reason all these godawful "adaptations" get made, anon - so the production company can claim a tax break, and so the showrunner can make their story, regardless of whether or not that story is in any way relevant to the property that they're co-opting.
>>735033928You could just play one of the older, good versions of D&D instead.
>>735035352Remember this is the team behind EVERYTHING IS HELLFIRE>act2 and beyond wasn't properly playtestedWhat about the magic/phys armor split despite their forum being full of complaints in early access?
>>735033928>PathfinderThat's just 3rd Edition D&D for people who didn't want to play 4e.
>>735041321I don't really know what your point is.>Remember this is the team behind EVERYTHING IS HELLFIREthats an exaggeration>What about the magic/phys armor split despite their forum being full of complaints in early access?its fine, its really not as big of a deal as forumposters would have you believe.>act2 and beyond wasn't properly playtestedI don't consider Early Access to be the sole definer of "proper playtesting". Act 2 is the best act in that game.
>>735035065You do most of these in Noita if you manage to make it to a god run.>all-powerful borderline eldritch wizardcheck>telekinesisCheck>ragdoll enemiesCheck. You can also reanimate them to fight for you. Sometimes it just reanimates body parts if the body was gibbed>choke themcan't do this specifically, but you can summon water/dirt/booze/etc on their head until they die of suffocation>bring down meteorsYou have so many options here>summon demonsI don't think there's actual demons, but there's enough shit you can summon that might as well be>phase through attacksYou can phase through entire worlds. Funnily enough, they made it so you cause an explosion if you hit something while rapid teleporting too fast>and so onThe sheer amount of things you can do is ridiculous. Just don't die while attempting crazy magic.
>>735021115> spoilerThat game is such a interesting rabbit hole, they released dlc as far as 2018 to milk the game as much as possible. Shit is so low budget some dlc have different VA for the main character and loads and loads of bugs
>>735041531Noita is boring. I want to be able to do more than just randomly wander caves.
>>735041516>exaggerationNo it isn't, once the game starts introducing enemies that bleed cursed surfaces everything becomes a clusterfuck in no time.>phys/magicIt is a big deal, I don't mind having to go through armor to CC enemies. My issue is having 2 different bars means you need to focus all your phys attackers on the same targets and ignore the rest and vice versa>act2I meant curse bleeders start showing up in act2, fighting one is fine but once they become more common they turn fights into a clusterfuck turning the whole arena into a cursed surface you can't hope to remove since it's going to get cursed the next time you hit them.
>>735041531Noita is great but some of the bullshit you can die to and lose 10hr+ long runs is not
>>735034523contaminating an IP > making your own IP
>>735042267to be honest I don't really get the cursed surface hatesure I admitted earlier that the surface effects are particularly loud, which is a problem, and you could argue that it removes decision making, but you talk about it like its game ruining which it absolutely is not.I view it the same way as the armor system, "this is a good idea but needs to be improved/implemented better" rather than "this is terrible and needs to be gutted completely">It is a big deal, I don't mind having to go through armor to CC enemies. My issue is having 2 different bars means you need to focus all your phys attackers on the same targets and ignore the rest and vice versafunnily enough when swen was reflecting on the armor system his problem with it wasn't the "mixed attackers" issue but rather that "second health bar + immunity to CC was too much and annoying to deal with"
>>735034628It actually worked pretty far beyond his original plan. Originally, he'd talked to Wizards of the Coast to see about getting the Spelljammer license, and they counteroffered with Baldur's Gate.
>>735042707There are some moments in the game where cursed surfaces get a bit excessive.
>>735035065Morrowind can do all of these
>>735032628especially the culture of the Telvannis
>>735043105I actually like that fight and think its really well designed, but I agree its quite annoying...because of the loud visual effects. If the fire looked like BG3's fire (and swarm AI was implemented for the oil blobs) it would be a lot less painful for people I reckon.>>735043048He wanted to make a dnd game after DOS1, but it was only after wotc saw DOS2 previews that they agreed to his pitch.Also apparently wizards really hated his original pitch and asked him to do it again. I wonder if he pushed the spelljammer stuff too hard.
>>735043048>>735043296Spelljammer is too weird for normalfags, Sven dodged a bullet here.
>>735043105The beans are pretty easy to deal with once you teleport the idiot away, especially on tactician where the enemy’s inclination to heal each other can be exploited to effectively stunlock the adds.The lizard consulate is the true ball ache, especially when they spam flaming arrows
Sven is a retard. BG3 didn't become super popular because it was dnd. No normie actually gives 2 shits about that. And for most, it was the first time ever they even played anything dnd related.
I will never play BG3 or DOS or another california game
>>735039160Frieren is mostly this. She is walking around, being wise but still autistic as fuck, learning spells and teaching younglings and going all in against demons
>>735043653that is true, but I could see his thought process. I wonder how history would have changed if he chose a different IP.i've heard if dnd didn't work out he would've tried to make a fallout game, but there was ZERO chance Bethesda would ever let an outside company touch that again.I think a KOTOR3 from them would've worked, could've revived the flailing Star Wars IP, but Disney would've been an even more cancerous IP holder.>>735043734They're based in Ghent though and they don't have a single office in California.
>>735043734Those games are made in Belgium, though.
>>735043789Yeah, given the post Swen made after the partnership with WotC ended, I doubt Larian would have been willing to put up with Disney's bullshit for a full development cycle. And WotC actually started off being pretty pleasant to work with - they had an entire team including Mike Mearls to help them out.
Morrowind does a good job of giving wizards a varied toolkit since they can basically do anything. Doesn't have the traditional vibe, though.
>>735021031Diablo 2
>>735043789KOTOR is strange. I mean, it is disney, but on the other hand, they let EA drag star wars into the ground and below. Now that I think about it... the whole thing with kingdom hearts really shows how restrictive they are with their characters.
>>735026324The fucking gayholder lmao
>>735044002>And WotC actually started off being pretty pleasant to work with - they had an entire team including Mike Mearls to help them out.thats true, but he should've expected what happened next, because "firing your entire design team after 3 years" is just a wotc staple at this point.its why all of their official adventures feel like first drafts written by amateurs who haven't written a ttrpg product before — because by and large thats exactly what they are.
>>735044045I do appreciate Morrowind's ability to tackle the same issue with multiple solutions. Say someone doesn't like you on account of being a sub-human autist with sub 20 personality or they're raging Cammona chuds that seethe at superior breeds of people being anyone not native the shithole that is Morrowind. You COULD try to use an illusion spell to charm them to get them to temporarily like you, use enchant scrolls, or use a spell to fortify your personality by 100-200 for a brief couple seconds, making everyone love you regardless. Crowd control works similarly. When facing multiple enemies you could just summon a few daedra and kill them or even just use a area wide target levitate spell for 1 point so they're incredibly slow and just walk past them, which is often far more cost effective than using expensive illusion spells to turn invisible.
>>735039439>After her takeover of the Shire fails the hobbits gang-correct herGod yes.
>>735032667>becomes a pile of ashes in every universe that he existsNot doing much to prove that anon wrong.
>>735044760kurt cobain final words
>>735029749>it's just a le tool>irrelevant waffling
>>735038482time to get funkyhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=dIq44msBK-s
>>735045470CRUSH THEM
If I could play as a wizard I would be an evil wizard.
>>735032326That sounds fucking awesome though, though maybe it's because I like older JRPGs and the games that inspired them. Give me a dungeon crawler where one old wizard goes into various places and does mundane things like gathering resources or studying old runes on dungeon walls while fighting off, summoning, recruiting, and talking to monsters like SMT.
>>735045689But anon, evil wizards get turned into girls.
>>735021115Is Two Worlds 2 anything like Two Worlds 1 where the game is clearly jank as fuck, but there's fun to be had in what is a low-budget imitator of an Elder Scrolls game?
>>735039470Kenja no Deshi has a gamer that larped as a Gandalf type in an mmo be isekaid as a loli due to fucking around with the character creator. Manga is decent, anime is terrible and iv only looked at the wn/ln illustrations as they are pretty good.
>>735047605Oh yeah I watched that and don't remember a thing, I should read the manga
>>735026107It’s never worth it to try to reassert control of an invocation if it goes awry. The smart thing is to banish the summon and try again from the start.(I love rolling over expeditions with an army of maid-in-the-mirror)
>>735038585>hydromancer>control air moisture to create localized storms and influence local climate>hold local agriculture hostage >control the food supply>take over the kingdomthey laughed at the nigga with a garden hose. but no one's laughing now.
Dominions
>>735035065All of these are very common abilities in games, heck Final Fantasy 6 has most of these
>>735046656Yes.The magic system is absolutely 90% of the fun and it's really wasted on the game.Crafting spells is very amusing.I enjoyed the magic so much it made the game fun in spite of any flaws.
>>735049269Can I buff melee weapons with magic in it? I usually like running a hybrid of melee-mage.
>>735030560>arcanist>sits there shooting red no damage beam at you for 4 turns>occultist>instantly banishes you to the abyss
dumping cool dungeon crawl stone soup spells
>>735029889Problem with Elden Ring and souls games is they are more murder hobo simuladors, and less actual adventures. No puzzles, no much interaction with npcs other than exhaust dialogue and roaming just consist on killing everything on sight.Magic systems in these games are just another means to deal damage.
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>>735049775Yes, if I remember correctly.You can also spawn gravity wells centered on enemies that simultaneously spawn in a bunch of anvils or junk/spike balls, good for blocking doors too as all the clutter keeps the encased enemy from getting in.They also tend to float up lol
>>735021263came here to say thisnoita is close and so is the "mana and artifice" mod for minecraft but nothing beats magickainsane how all 4 games were made by a different developer each but all still were fun as fuck. yes even the mobile gamerest in FUCKING peace wizard wars
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