So, now that people had time to digest the game.Was she a good character?
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>>735031527Shit OP
>>735031434She cute and fuckable so yes. Her mom is hot to
>>735031434She was the best part.
>>735031636imagine the oyakodon
>>735031434>Fat brat buttYes, she is a good character.
decent but should not have been final bossshe gives off boss before the boss energy
She was ass.
>>735031434I like the idea of the character but I think she should have had more screentime. Her being the final final boss was also questionable.
>>735031990I think that's kind of the point. Something something subversion something.
>>735031434Good concept but underutilized as an Antagonist. Many Characters were much more present and vocal and mobile in Silksong compared to Hollow Knight. I feel she should have been much more connected to some of the issues facing each area. She should have shown up more often to taunt you or complain about something you broke that she had spent time maintaining.Or maybe to start she should have been more ambivalent or even helpful to you, until she realizes what you are and why her mom brought you to Pharloom. At which point her anxiety and antagonism could have started surfacing.
>>735031434sexy child
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>>735032065Yeah, she should have pestered Hornet way more on the way up
>>735032597Stop posting that dogshit thread here. This one is better.
>>735031434She makes me think SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEXSo, naturally, yes.
>>735031434no and her game had zero lasting cultural relevance
>>735031434I liked her voice.
>>735031434Yes.I don't see what else could've been the final boss either.
>>735031990That's exactly what she was for Act 2.I think act 3 fucked up with implying Grand Mother Silk had some sympathy and affection for Lace at the end there as opposed to blatantly creating her to serve as a vessel, but finding her unsuitable and ditching her for Hornet. What I would have done for the end of Act 2 is to have Hornet about to seal GMS, Lace "saves her" thinking it'll be a way to finally get moms love and approval, and instead GMS completely fucks Lace over in a bid to free herself or take her kingdom down with her. It would have made Hornet going through the trouble of saving Lace make more sense, but as it was written I don't think Lace really elicits the sympathy the game seemingly expects you to feel for her at the end.
>>735031882This but with their comparative sizes>Grandmother silk Giving a butt job>Lace on top barely being able to take just the tip
>>735032801>as opposed to blatantly creating her to serve as a vessel, but finding her unsuitable and ditching her for Hornet.This was never even remotely implied. What the fuck tranny headcanon is this?
>>735031434Meh.Silksong had a lot of cool ideas and I had fun but it wasn't as iconic as the first game. A common sequel problem. Frankly I don't even remember what Lace's deal was other than her being the daughter of Silk or something.
>>735031434Good design, good voice, good concept but lacklustre execution.
>>735031434Love her theme.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqxTMe0P6Kw
All the ingredients were there but she was undercooked
>>735032892It's not... It's how I would have written it. Stop fantasizing about trannies for 4 seconds and pay attention
>>735033123Stop being a tranny then.
>>735031434No she's a shitty anime girl for waifufag weebs.
>>735031434potential character
>>735033256>meet potential woman
>>735033160>Literally can't focus at the mere thought of a trannyI don't know what mental illness you have, but it seems terminal.
>>735032746Which games have lasting cultural relevance? We haven't had one of those since Dark Souls.
>>735033316>tranny babble*yawn*
>>735032746Imagine still being mad at being too bad to play Silksong.
>>735033346Dark Souls was not culturally relevant.
>>735033346Undertale. The amount of furries increased by 500% since its release
>>735033501Then there are no culturally relevant games.
>>735033554Indeed
>>735032746You got filtered. It's okay. You don't have to act like the game is bad just because you're bad.
is that a japanese wedding dress
>>735033531Furfags didn't increase in number, they were just allowed to crawl out of their tumblr cesspools alongside the rest of the alphabet degenerates.
>>735032814How big are (You) in this equation?
>>735031434>Bratty lolibaba mesugaki with a fat assYes.
>>735033104Zoomer ass post.
>>735031434Would have been nice if there was a plausible way to make her show up more, but she was a solid rival character. Good boss fights, decent backstory with some parallels to Hornet's, and a personality that works as a fun antithesis to Hornet's more stoic warrior nature.
>>735034203What the fuck???? It says "DO NOT REPOST" anon!! You can't post this here!
>>735034203I do like how playful and childish she is.
>>735034293I'm a rebel that always leaves the artist's name in the filename
>>735031434She's 10x hotter than Hornet, but worse as a rival character
>>735031434Why did they increase the female sex appeal in Silksong so much? HK was completely desexualized.
>>735034621Hoernet wasn't a rival character.
>>735034696No it wasn't. You just want to fuck bugs more than you used to.
>>735031434She was a secondary antagonist written when the game was still being planned as DLC, and then they just never bothered doing anything more when it became a full game. I honestly forgot she existed by the time I ran into her in the cradle, because I spent over 50 hours doing stuff since I ran into her in the citadel. And her being the final boss of act 3 felt like they ran out of ideas.
>>735032450completely agree. essentially>they should have done literally anything with her writing to make her an actual charactershe was underwhelming as a boss too. reusing the tutorial duelist boss twice is already risky, but having her be the literal super secret ultra final boss of the game with the only additions to her kit being the stock attacks youve already seen copy pasted onto every other enemy is especially retarded
>>735034920Post a single character from Hollow Knight with a hyper-feminine, curvy design.
>>735035056>And her being the final boss of act 3 felt like they ran out of ideas.Pretty sure this is actually the case because I remember TC mentioning in an interview they still hadn't decided on what to do for the final boss just three months before release.
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>>735035192Iselda
>>735032801>Hornet going through the trouble of saving LaceHornet didn't do anything to save Lace she didn't have to do anyway to save Pharloom and herself.
>>735035056>>735035271the whole of act 3 feels like this. lazy mess of repurposed cut content
>>735035271That explains a lot, honestly. I was immensely disappointed when I got to the bottom of the abyss and realized I was just going to be fighting Lace for a 3rd time. Also the ending is bad, why have that moment where Silk gives her life to help Hornet and Lace escape the void if you're just going to have that fail so that the knight can save their asses? They might as well have just sat in the cocoon twiddling their thumbs until it collapsed, it made no difference.
>>735035345Should could have just killed her.
>>735035271How about you link this interview?
>>735035345Yeah but there's an obvious parallelism in how saving Pharloom is equivalent to saving Lace as well - the reason Silk keeps holding on and doesn't just let herself be consumed by the void is due to the fact she is completely focused on not letting her daughter die.The problem with this is that it's still cheap emotional manipulation at the player's expense so we have to care about this character we barely know anything about.
>>735036131>The problem with this is that it's still cheap emotional manipulation at the player's expense so we have to care about this character we barely know anything about.Sounds like a (You) problem. I cared about Lace since the first fight. The ending just made me feel sad for GMS.
>>735034439She IS a child. Mentally.
>>735035289When will developers learn that this is what men want.
>>735035056Yeah there's a big gap between the start of Act 2 when you meet her and the end of it when you face her again. Maybe it would've been better if Lace just randomly showed up once in a while to take a couple of potshots at you before leaving. Not something too frustrating, because you don't want the players to actually hate her (maybe make it so she can damage regular mobs as well so when she's pursuing you she might help you clear the room), but challenging enough that when they get to face her and she doesn't run away they're excited to put an end to it.
>>735035289Hundreds of millions of dollar in 2025 have been essentially thrown in the trash because the sheer elegance of this form could not be reached twice.
>>735032024Is that slop? It's giving me slop vibes.
>>735031434She makes me horny so I guess yes.
>>735031434this game fucking sucks
>>735033931Probably closer to Grandmother Silk size
>>735031434I really forgot about this gameIt ain't good
>>735037837Stop blaming your own inadequacies on the game and accept you got filtered with dignity.
>>735031882they are barely the size of your dick
The first game was full of bugsBut this one is full of AIDS
>>735037937you underestimate the smallness of my dick
>>735035476How? The escape from GMS's cocoon requires GMS to give Hornet the remainder of her Silk. Which GMS won't do unless it's to save Lace
>>735037934Using big words doesn't make you smart fag
>>735038952>big words
>>735038468>How?By killing her? Hornet didn't expect to escape the dive into the Abyss alive in the first place. It didn't even matter, HK would have saved her either way.
>>735039425>Hornet didn't expect to escape the dive into the Abyss alive in the first place.Source: my ass.>It didn't even matter, HK would have saved her either way.As if she knew that.You're a retard. You're clearly only criticizing things for the sake of criticizing without having any actual idea of what you're talking about.
>>735039425Hornet wasn't planning to sacrifice herself anon. She said so herself>This one the dark shall not takeNow "this one" in this context refers to Lace but Hornet is clearly saying she intends to go down there and bring her up by herself.
>>735038952This is bait, right? There's no way you actually think "inadequacies" is a big word.
>>735040765Relative to the average amount of letters and syllables of most words in the english language, "Inadequacies" is objectively a big word. >Look at this huge bass I caught>Wow that's a big Fish>NO SHARKS ARE WAY BIGGER
>>735039732We're discussing a hypothetical alternate narrative. None of this happened in the game. You're so silly. Were you entirely satisfied with Lace's character in the game?
>>735039792Even beyond that>Lace: Then why hold, even this moment? Surely terror hasn't suddenly claimed your hardened heart?>Lace: Take the final plunge, spider. Join us in my drowning palace, and let oblivion swallow us all.>Hornet: Oblivion may take you, child. My own life, I shall not sacrifice.>Hornet: I have survived the fury of your land. I have borne its barbs and its blades, and I have seen wonder behind its dangers.>Hornet: But always, child, I remain a daughter of Hallownest. And the void below all things, that darkness I will fear no longer...Hornet had zero intention of sacrificing herself and taking one for the team. >>735039425 is a retard who didn't play the game
>>735041002The main criteria for a "big word" is for it to be an uncommon, difficult word. Something that is seldom used in common discourse. "Inadequacy" does not fit the bill.
>>735031434damn silk brat...
>>735031434Stuck in the awkward crossroads of being a bad character but still very cute
>>735041712No, the criteria for big words is that they are big. The criticism of talking with big words is that you swap out conventional vocabulary for overly verbose synonyms throughout a sentence. I never agreed with that poster that the post was sesquipedalianistic, just that if a person was, than inadequacies would be the kind of alternative to words such as "Flaw" that you would see.
>>735033835Could have been slightly inspired by it. From what I recall her gibberish language was based on Japanese.
>>735042003>No, the criteria for big words is that they are big.No, but I'm not going to start arguing about this.>inadequacies would be the kind of alternative to words such as "Flaw"An inadequacy is something you lack, a flaw is a fault. These words are not interchangeable. They mean very different things.
>>735033104No, just rare and you have bad taste
>>735031434No. She's probably the worst character in Silksong and she absolutely didn't deserve to be the true final boss.
>>735042282You are already arguing about it. You just don't have a good one.You might be right in regards to the second point. My grasp of the english language may be inadequate. That's my fault. Just a flaw In my understanding.
>>735037382AI can't do HK's art style.
>>735042891Why couldn't it?
>>735031434Yes, and she makes brown losers here seethe, which makes her even better.
>>735041536void boys saving us at the end brought a tear to my eye
>>735042282I'll play random advocate for that anon.When you say "inadequacies", one thinks of a number of quirks and / or behaviours that are not adequate or good enough for a given purpose. In the context of playing a game, it does implicitly point to the presence of decisions that often lead to losing or dying, aka flawed decisions. So you're still ultimately telling him he has flaws as a player.
GMS's anguished scream when Lost Lace is revealed is kino.
>>735042891It can try.
>Sequence break and skip the deep docks and dont fight her>Get to Sinner Road and shes sitting up on one of the iron gates and shit talks you for avoiding her before web slinging awayI love this cheeky brat.
>>735044185It's her screams all throughout Act 3 that does it for me
lace is not that bad of a character but it absolutely is a bad final bossif the fight wasnt just lace 2 but with annoying things it would be fine. It should have been a much faster trickier duel with all sorts of new moves
>>735048374>It should have been a much faster trickier duel with all sorts of new movesBut that's exactly what it was
>>735048496no it was>90% lace 2>5% cool new tricks>5% utterly boring moves that should have been deleted as all they do is ruin the flow of the fight
>>735048496the most gamechanging thing lace 2 has is that now half the time is wasted in phase 2 and that some attacks got tendrils whose only purpose is reducing how many fancy options you have to deal with her move
>>735044185I never thought of it that way.
>>735031434Can silk be impregnated?
>>735048374I think it mostly feels worse because Act 3 is just 4 of the best boss battles in the game and then Lost Lace is just Lace 2 but arguably not as fun because a lot of her attacks are just "Stand over there and don't attack"
>>735050650she can probably be parasited
>>735049687>some attacks got tendrils whose only purpose is reducing how many fancy options you have to deal with her moveThose are some of her most punishable moves though. Like the one where she shoots them down at you from an angle in the air, you can>dash under her, get a quick bind in (if you're using the witch crest this is one of the best opportunities to get a full hit on her)>dash under her, jump and upslash, and hit her again on her way down>dash under her, jump and thread storm>double jump and clawline (if you're quick enough you can chain it into a pogo)>throw tool where she lands because it's fairly predictable
>>735031434>Was she a good character?Yes, but I feel like she would've benefited for more time in the spotlight.
>>735051425>Those are some of her most punishable moves thoughEven if this was true (it is true for most of these), it doesnt change the fact they are fucking boring. I want my fancy duel boss to keep doing fancy dynamic moves and not suddenly come to a total stop to do some dumb move where she sits there spamming chainsaws anywhereBut secondly, how the fuck are you going to punish her during a move where she disappears for 15 seconds straight where youre just there waiting for the huge chainsaws to slowly scroll across the arena?Like it actually baffles me that lost lace was made by the same people who made Pure Vessel and NKG
>>735031434Lace should be the protagonist of the third game, but more hardened and mature, with her old personality leaking out at times.
>>735031434I like her smug laugh and fat ass
>>735052670>Pure Vessel and NKGLace is way more dynamic than these two. Especially NKG. I haven't played HK in quite some time but I could probably load up the game and beat him hitless. Every move he does is the exact same, with the same response. Not that I think he's not a great fight, and he did kick my ass until I learned his dance. But I think it's funny to praise Lace for her dynamic moveset but then wish for bosses more like NKG.
>>735036363>caring for the bloodthirsty despot who thinks she’s God and would either mind control or kill you and everyone you love the first chance she gotSomeone’s been binging too much Steven Universe
>>735054128NTA. You can want her dead but also have some sympathy and respect for her final act.
>>735054850No, I don’t. She was a rotten bitch who only looked out for the equally evil and insane mini-me homunculus of herself she made because she’s barren.The fact she gets a pass when Hollow Knight ended with the Radiance triumphantly getting it’s face caved in and dragged into the Abyss is ridiculous.
>>735055071She doesn't get a pass, in fact she gets eaten by the void too.
>>735055291Yeah but we don’t see directly it like with the Radiance, which is really unsatisfying.
>>735053092You mean Trobbio
>>735053092>A retread of Hornet but way lamerNo thanks. I’d rather have Zote step up to the plate and become the Grey Prince IRL.
What's the overall consensus of Crests as a system that changes playstyles?I'm only in the middle of ACT 2 so far, but while the charms this time are not as game changing as HK I feel crests help offer more distinct playstyles, though admittedly it feels that some flexibility is lost.does the beast crest require high skill to use effectively or is it just terrible? I lean into the former but I can't tell, Hunter and Wandrer still feel like they are the best to use.
>>735031434>Never saw trailers>Favorite character from the moment I saw her>Ended up being incredibly important and the canon wifebased
>>735056507I love the crest system but I only used hunter because the dash attack into pogo is just too smooth.Beast crest requires high testosterone to use effectively.
>>735053934lace is technically more dynamic than those and yet shes infinitely more one dimensional in terms of ways to evade and deal with her attacks. The fact the spells and special moves in silksong are somewhat blander in terms of how many ways you can use them also doesnt really help that caseLike NKG dive->dash combo or swipe->uppercut combo has 5 great ways to deal with it. Most of laces' attacks have like 3 ways to deal with them and 1-2 are a total waste of what could have been damage dealt.
>>735056507The crests are good, I just wish more of them had interesting ways of acquiring them, like the Witch crest.
>>735056656>>735056507i think crests are a cool feature but theres some miserable holes in them. i dont know what they were thinking>there are ZERO crests with more than 1 silk skill for 80% of the game>there are ZERO crests with more than 1 silk skill that actually feels like you are playing hornet (as opposed to some braindead OP version of grubberfly elegy from hk1)>theres literally 1 crest with higher damage per hit and its architect charged moves>the whole charged move mechanic is criminally underusedalso>beast crestyeah mechanically beast crest is horrendous. its pogo is busted in some fights but otherwise its only redeeming quality is damage, which gets outperformed by upgraded hunter anywayHowever:tm:, you can overdose on plasmium and it doesnt just not disable the heal from Beast, it actually makes it even stronger as you get one extra mask. Which makes Beast ludicrously overpowered. But you cant do this until really late in the game, specially outside of Steel Soul
>>735056656>Smash my head against the Savage Beastfly early-game.>End up thinking all chapels will offer similarly difficult challenges for the crests.>Reaper and Wanderer end up being disappointly easy.I like Reaper and wanderer but boy did the Hunter's March biome mess with some of my expectations, it was the second area I went to and the difficulty rise was noticeably sharp but the only conclusion I could reach was->"Hmm I guess this is what people meant when they said SS is hard and the entirety of HK feels like a tutorial to it".
>>735057181i didnt find hunters march hard, but i didnt find it rewarding either. Its extremely rewarding if you find the hidden vendor (and have the rosaries for it i guess), not the most meaningful place otherwiseIt would have been great if beast was mechanically better. Its the crest i was the most excited for, but in the hands of an inexperienced player it was just plain bad
