Why are there so few WW1 games?Over the Top WW1
>>735033169it's a touchy subject, and it started ww2
>>735033169look up the geneva convention
>>735033169most people's knowledge of ww1 is that it was the boring precursor to ww2 and it was mostly boring static trench warfare until the last 5 months when america showed up and germany ran out of everything
>>735033169Because WW1 wasn't as kino as the sequel.
>>735033294RIP Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria
Crazy that they called it 'World War 1', like they were expecting sequels to be made.
>>735033169Battlefield 1 was great. It's the only WW1 related game I can think of though.
>>735033383they actually did call it a world war at the time since all the major world powers were involved
do you want me to teach you how to make mustard gas?
>>735033460I swear these people don't study history
>>735033169The tech makes it so bolt actions are king and the average gamer wants to spray and pray. Plus this as well >>735033294, and the drama comes from the rich sending off the commoners to war so it doesn't really resonate with that many people since it's been over a century that we forgot what it was to be under monarchy
>>735033545who were the commoners who assassinates the Archduke Franz Ferdinand? please...tell me...
>>735033460your generation are so fucking retarded and niggerish - it was called the "the great war"
>>735033471bleach and ammonia does not make mustard gas. it makes chloramines, chlorine gas and hydrazine (which are toxic but to a much lesser extent than actual mustard gas), whereas mustard gas is a more complicated compound containing sulfur. Unless you actually do know how to make real mustard gas which I seriously doubt.
>>735033545>>735033626what religion did "they" belong to?
>>735033660first of all you shouldn't be saying stupid shit like this on >>>/v/
Because it never happened. Just notice how there are no games about the holocaust either.
>>735033169Because the bulk of popular media is driven by americans and they only care about western theater late ww2
>>735033654Krauts were calling it a Weltkrieg all the way back in 1914.
it's impossible to have a ww1 game based on reality.
>>735033654what was so great about it
>>735033854massive death
>>735033717What's wrong with stating a fact? It's not like it's some kind of secret bioweapon, everyone knows about it. It was on King of The Hill for god's sake.
>>735033891hell yea
>>735033914this isn't /b/ man.
>>735033792Foxhole exists, even if it becomes an unholy amalgamation of both world wars as it goes on
>>735033169If you wanted to make it realistic it wouldn't be fun.If you wanted to make it fun it would be too actiony and rub people the wrong way. Anyone interested in WW1 typically understands that it was basically industrialized slaughter. Far more so than WW2. Making a game where you're a big damn hero in WW1 would understandably piss a lot of people off for basically making light of how awful it was.Personally I think a horror game set in WW1 where it really just wallowed in how awful everything was would be kino. Just setpiece after setpiece of some of the worst scenarios.Getting stuck in a muddy shell crater and not being able to climb out, slowly getting sucked into the mud until you drown or starve.Advancing under cover of artillery until some fuckass short ranges a shot and just blows you to smithereensGas canisters landing in your trenchesCreeping advance artillery only to find they didn't hit a bunker which just mows you downAdvance into some trenches only to find the enemy retreated as bait and they blow you to kingdom come.The first tanks roll toward your position and you have absolutely nothing to stop itAll the muddy water is stained vaguely yellow from the gas settling into itDigging trenches only to find rat gnawed body parts buried in the mudJust absolutely awful shit. They'd call it edgy and unrealistic but all of that is real accounts.
>>735033327Speak for yourself.https://youtu.be/WyZCWAsM4S4?t=21089
>>735034009no what I meant was because it's "not kino" Jews started ww1
>>735034025ww1 was horrible. they were using chemical weapons, and it was just ugly..
>>735034025What you described wouldn't make money, but critics would like it and I'd watch it on YouTube. Maybe you could sucker some government into giving you funding if you called it educational.
>>735034025Reminds me of Trench Face. It's only loosely based on WW1 but it's pretty horrific. Not particularly fun to play through especially with how grating the soundtrack is but an interesting experience nonetheless.
>>735034289that game looks like shit
>>735034170I'd be down to support it if it was historically accurate. it won't happen though
>>735034170>>735034668it would be too graphic for a "Mature" rating. it would have to be AO. pure carnage
>>735033169I used to play quite a bit of Verdun and WW1 Source. Verdun was actually pretty kino despite it's jank since the game modes really sold the idea you were fighting tooth and nail for small stretches of territory.
>>735033729this, they made it up just to sell movies about it
>>735033729there's a reason for that
a ww1 historically accurate violent game would be sweet. it would be like star wars. the better you are the better equipment/planes you get
>>735033169Isonzo is free on Epic apparently, come play
>>735034993>carpet bombs
fuck em
https://store.steampowered.com/app/866400/On_The_Western_Front/>Division commander >have to build trenches>manage logistics>rotate troops in and out of the frontline trenches and put them in the rear>morale>get ordered to make assaults>night raids>chemical weapons>research and you get more weapons as time drags on>entire pilot management system as wellits kino
wonder if ukraine/iran shooters will become popular in the coming decades
>>735035185haha good one
>>735033213
>>735033169Not as action oriented, no hurrah moments. Just clusterfuck after another, whole thing also royalty playing a pissing match with their peasants.
>>735034573It is. Though it is somewhat entertaining. It's based on fear and hunger after all. Fortunately it's pretty short so I didn't mind it too much. It's worth a shot if you've got nothing better to do and like body horror for some reason.
>>735035269if I'm playing a ww1 game I want access to munitions, tanks, airplanes, and banned chemical warfare before the geneva convention
>>735035185ukraine games will, and are already being made Iran games will be boring dogshit because we already went through the middle east warfare phase of gaming
I want confess. the worst thing I've ever done in a video game is give my friends super AIDS in civ5. it's not my fault they don't know how to play the fake
>>735035682>game
>>735033169>a war for glory that did nothing but kill 8 millions men that shouldn't have died, just to setup a second war>most of the fighting consist of hiding in trenches while getting hit by gas and artillery or getting mowed down by mounted machine guns when you're out of them with very little actual fightingNot very good for an action vidya, maybe a strategy game but even then, assaulting entrenched positions with a very slim chance of success while having limited ressources is not a very fun concept.
while bf1 was basically a ww2 shooter with a ww1 coat of paint, i enjoyed itlearning to use the cavalry and the field guns effectively was really fun
>>735035740Could do a FPS where you play as a tunnel rat. Nothing but CQC with a shotgun and a trench club.
>>735035774half the classes running around with full autos was silly but at least most of them fit the timeframe, even if some of them were essentially fabrications due to lack of preserved material one of the funniest things is that medic's russian assault rifle is arguably the most historically accurate for the class, since it was actually recorded as being used in combat by some squads
>>735033393There are plenty others, but it is the only AAA game about the war.
>>735035774Ever played standard issue only severs?
>>735036348yeah, when they first launchedbut all the ones in my region have been empty for ever
>>735035774That's the problem of all WW1 games, they're always reskinned WW2 games, because the actual WW1 was boring as fuck.
>>735033169praying im gonna get good frames on the new hotfix
>>735037340they could make a game about trench raids, the average goals of which were capturing prisoners, gathering intel, or killing as many people as possible before the alarm was raised
The problem is that most people want an FPS and while modern small unit and combined arms tactics were born in WWI they only reached maturity in the final 8 months or so. That skips most of the iconic battles and settings people would know. Everything really interesting about WWI was how transformative it was, but to actually convey that you need a strategy game, the more grognard the better.
I remember having a very strange dream of dying as a woman in WW1 which is very fucking strange to me, was the most vivid thing ever.
>>735038012it means you were russian in another life
>>735037340I domt see the issue with WW1 games having experimental weaponry because youre ALWAYS playing a small squad or platoon that could feasibly be issued a test batch of 32 experimental weapons systems.Its not a map of 32000 players all using supposedly rare weaponry its 64 with realistically 20-30 of them doing so. BF1 being a WW2 game in reality starts to fall apart as an idea when youre throwing stick grenades at a horse as a biplane crashes into the Punnet Gun in the desert. Historical autism on pain of death has no place in videogames, its boring and i dont want to play Isonzo or some shit for 6 months with the same 4 guys who are neurotic about bolties
>>735034718Maybe in European markets, but the US and Slavs are all over that kind of thing.
>>735033383They weren't called world war until some years after the second one.
>>735033169Oh yeah, hiding in a trench for two weeks until you get gassed to death, riveting gameplay
> spawn> get mowed down 2 feet into no man's land> respawn> get mowed down 2 feet into no man's land> respawn> get mustard gas attacked 1 foot outside your spawn> respawn> gg
HOLY FUCK THE AIMING IS SO ASS
>>735038389sounds like foxhole gameplay
>>735034289>soundtrackThat was basically the point of the entire game though, the dev wanted an excuse to use DSBM music as a soundtrack
>>735033393>Battlefield 1WE WUZ GERMANS N SHEEET
>>735039591accurate uniform mod should've been integrated into the game, it fixed every issue people had with the character models too bad the anticheat flags it
>>735033383It was actually called World War X at the time. People deny it, but there are plenty of magazines with it printed as WWX while the war was happening
>Plays Over the Top>Nobody plays this shit on Asia so i had to compensate by playing on Higher ping server alongside Low frameratesFuck my life.
>>735035185Supposedly Infinity Ward were being pressured to make a CoD game with Iran as the enemy a few years back
>>735033545>rich sending off the commoners to warSuch a load of horseshit. The aristocratic class was savaged by the war since most of their young men went off and suffered the highest casualty rates as officers “leading by example”and were twice, sometimes three times more likely to die in combat than the average infantryman. Fuck off with that “lions led by donkeys” garbage.
I think mostly it's just overshadowed by WW2.
>>735033294That and in World War One, nobody was a good guy. The Germans were bad (see the rape of belgium) but the British government weren't much better by sending wave after wave of men into machine gun fire for the sake of gaining three feet, only to have that three feet lost the next day. World War 2 by contrast is more easily mythologized because you have the literally baby murdering monsters in the Nazis, that make everyone else (even the equally baby killing Soviets) look like angels by comparison.
>>735039914no aus servers?
>>735038214Then you don't want a WW1 game.
>>735040860
>>735040860the water is extremely muddy in ww1 for the entente because british anti german propaganda was 90% just bullshit they made upthe invasion of belgium being 'unforgivable' when the british did the same thing to greece a year later
EA should make a Battlefield 1 "sequel" where they just say fuck historical realism, since they basically did that in bf1 anyway, and just go whole ham on it.>Instead of blimp massive coal smoke spewing Dreadnought/Kronprinz Wilhelm, (but with blimp aesthetics thrown on)>Instead of armored train, armored train except it's a tank-train that doesn't need rails>Tsar Tank (but it can actually move)>Brass gear and thick iron steam powered armor for elite classes>Biplanes that do wacky shit like firing grappling hooks so they can make insane turns or hook other vehicles and flip them>A bunch of the bolt action to semi auto conversion rifles historically made except they actually work and it's a vidya so who cares if it's 30 lbsThen they can cram as many nigs and crippled women on the cover as they want since it's clearly a fantasy setting anyway
>devs censored diggershame
>>735042049a bf1 sequel should include all the shit that both sides were planning on using the following yearfuckhueg trenches, bigger tanks, better tanks, better gunsthey already dipped their toes in that territory in bf1 with including the russian civil war and the char c1 being a behemoth
>>735042112>names the toothbrush mustache the Austrian Painter>still decides to censor chatwhat the fuck
>>735035403>Tanks>AirplanesBruh.The only tanks were basically armored tractors that usually couldn't make it across no mans landAirplanes were biplanes that were basically there more for spotting and finding artillery positions. Maybe drop A (1) bomb or shoot at other spotter planes.What are they teaching you retards?
>>735043804tanks were evolving pretty rapidly by the end of the war even if most of them weren't ready before it ended the renault ft introduced turrets, the whippet was the first 'fast' tank, and the germans were working on the LK series which look like a cross between the two
>>735043804Tanks were arguably their strongest in history late war though: Music Box single-handedly took out a German company and held up the whole battalion it was attached to for a day. WWI was one of the handful of times they were IRL raid bosses.
>>735033169Can't make it all about muh poor heckin jewerinos.
>>735044382>tfw the bongs scrapped a whole load of invaluable historical tanks when trying to get metal in ww2some noteworthy names are: the musical box, mother, and schnuk they also trashed a bunch of the weirder british landships and prototype medium tanks there is a rumour that musical box and mother got buried somewhere around bovington museum and avoided the scrapyard, but no one's ever found where exactly
>>735038335>Oh yeah, jerking off in a desert camp for two weeks until you drive over an IED, riveting gameplayWar is boring. Games make it not boring
>>735039591
>>735033169I've been playing WW1 games my entire life
>>735033169>The sequence in The Darkness when you're in hell and its just kinda surreal WW1>Trench CrusadeYou do it like that. You go over the top but like >>735034025 says, you do it in ways that the actual WW1 was horrific, just even moreso.
>>735040860But the Nazis were the good guys and didn't do any of what you just said.
>>735033169Games have to appeal to a market to sell. The largest market for a western game to appeal to is the US market. The US market doesn't have any particular attachment to WW1 because the US joined late after all the hard lessons had been learned and were barely an afterthought in the proceedings. The US market much prefers WW2 as a setting, one in which the US still joined late but can at least manage to portray itself as the hero of the story.
>>735045052Meanwhile, the last Char 2C is rusting away somewhere in a Russian warehouse.
>>735033169Trench warfare where nothing happens for months at a time isn't very exciting.
>>735046769that's another mystery, although one you'd think would be solved by now considering it's probably at one of the russian tank museums in storage
>>735046985Russians aren't completely retarded, they know their WWII antiques are worth more than their weight in scrap or fodder. What we might see happening is them selling them off to someone who can actually restore them some day in return for less valuable, technically functional contemporary equipment or just hard cash, best case scenario.
The only good game that won't set your gpu on fire.
>>735045830Don't be that guy. Nobody likes that guy.
>>735047608>>735047658>>735047698>>735047741>No drowning in mud or getting stuck on barbed wire and bleeding to death 20' from your own front linenot WW1 enough. Sorry.Looks like fun though. The kinda multiplayer game where stupid funny shit happens all the time.
>>735046818>where nothing happens for monthsDo you think industrial murder of each other day in an out for years is nothing happening?
>>735047741The trench digging in this game is so fucking good. I get this feeling of power when a trench I dug all by myself becomes a focal point in a round
>>735047889the trench digging is WW1 to the max
Play this shit negroes>Dude, what if it was Resident Evil but WW1
>>735039591Western game duh
>>735048072>Frenchmen abandons his allies to die upon first contact with the enemy and flees to the other side of the maphmmmmmmmmmm
>>735040129>The aristocratic class was savaged by the war since most of their young men went off and suffered the highest casualty rates as officers “leading by example”and were twice, sometimes three times more likely to die in combat than the average infantryman.And that's a bad thing because?
>>735048243>killing off the best educated people is a good thing
>>735047940Sure the scale of death was large but the day to day was just shooting at each other from trenches and shooting mortars.
>>735048387It would certainly help out modern Western society if the majority of the most educated people were killed off.
>>735048469No. It was patrols between NML. Stretcher bearing. Body collection. Force concentration up and down the line for offensives or feints. Underground tunneling for mine laying (giant explosions, not like landmines). There are a million fascinating little details.
>>735048659today's 'educated' people only exist because of the mass death of the actual educated people in ww1
>>735048387Barron to the front lines, send Elon Musk and Kamala to Iran
>>735048741Yeah. It's important to cull them regularly. That way the actually smart ones mostly stick around and all the highly educated retards eat shit.
>>735048736None of them interesting for vidya.
>>735049568If you can't make it fun that's a (you) problem. I want to be an officer on the Somme scrambling to try to find a pencil
>>735033169The aesthetics of World War 1 are unmatched.>Gas masks>Rifles with sword bayonets>Deeply entrenched positionsBut as a videogame it's a difficult era to spin into gameplay, especially considering its an industrial slaughterhouse that your grandpapi may have died or been crippled in. One of my relatives came home and eventually died as a result of shrapnel that could not be removed. For hundreds of years war was cool and glorious and then as things dragged on awkwardly with machine guns and gas people realized war was actually pretty gay and cringe. Truthfully war still hasn't recovered, it's only become more gay and more cringe as you can see in Iran and Ukraine.
>>735047315The German voices are way too humorous
Trench Crusade game when?
>>735048469That's pretty much any war for the average infantryman. That's why you're always playing the special forces, the guerilla, the paratrooper, the 3 letter agent etc.
is this the thread?
>>735050518I don't think it's that difficult to really integrate the Western Front into gameplay. Verdun did a perfectly good job making fighting for trenches feel like a tug of war with no man's land being a complete death zone. Other war games don't really have that feeling since they're more of a disorganized mess in tactics or one team just blitzkriegs the other.
I really liked The Bunker.
>>735051461Not with that they have been doing the past yearFuckers dropped the ball hard after they picked it up from GW dropping the ball
>>735033294This is bullshit though. The first few months of the war were highly mobile and dynamic.
>>735047653not that anon but i think you are very unaware of the current state of the world and what zoomers and gen alpha think like lmao
>>735039812Jej
>>735052141That's only because they were fighting the war with their old tactics still, but as we know, it wasn't going to last
>>735047653Reddit moment
Amnesia was pretty good
>>735052141yeah but the average joe off the street knows jack shit about what the war was like in the first couple months outside of franz ferdinand getting assassinated
>>735052205You still lied though. The entire war was static trench warfare until the last year of the war. You can fuck off now, disinformation spreading memester.
>>735052302*is bullshit*
>>735052302That anon is probably long gone, I was just replying because a few months out of 4 years isn't significant enough to say "it wasn't actually immobile"
>>735052141it's just a meme someone posted 20 years ago and normies started parroting it
>>735033169Because it was a hateful, grueling conflict that resulted in millions of deaths for literally nothing (except untold human suffering). Nobody benefited from it and then we got WW2 which had ~20x the casualties but significantly more impact on world history and probably directly resulted in the Long Peace.Those who know little about it think it's gray and boring while those who know a lot understand it was basically just a big sad senseless waste of men's lives. In other words, the idea of turning it into an action game isn't really interesting to either party. The few games there are either underline the suffering, or just turn it into shlock.
>>735033294>it was mostly boring static trench warfareI'd imagine that's one of the biggest reasons. Same reason you don't really see any shooters based on old 17th century line infantry tactics. It'd be boring as shit
>>735052385>Umm... it doesn't count Shut up, historylet.
>>735045830you're a spic
>>735052468>nobody benefitedOkay golem.
>>735052541The amount of time they weren't bogged down by the trench meta doesn't even add up to 1 year, that's less than 25% of total time in the war. Retard
>>735052614Sorry, I meant no humans. Demons don't count.
binged all the WW1 episodes on the channel called The Great War. It was absolute kino...tons of high quality content. the whole concept was genius: following the events of WW1 week by week, exactly as they unfolded 100 years earlier, so for example back in 2015, you could relive the gallipoli invasion week by week in real time. truly a shame the host went mad and right away jumped to a new (and way less successful) channel about WW2, even though history stayed plenty spicy after WW1 ended
>>735052618I do not care.
>>735033169I am waiting for the third part of the trilogy to be released before playing the entire series.
>>735052686I remember keeping up with it for a while but eventually forgot about it. Truly an autistic project
>>735047889It really does remind me of mid-2000s online games. People shit-talking in chat, some idiot running down the trench with a bagpipe and screaming in an awful scottish accent to give em steel because holdfast is a meme, even the voting for next map at the end of the round feels kind of nostalgic. Getting bombed by the Red Baron is fun too.
>>735052141'Dynamic' as in France trying banzai charges on fortified German positions and getting wiped out?
>>735053151Read a book, NIGGER.
>>735053151Yeah, they were probably running pretty fast when they did it
>>735035185>he doesn’t know about arma reforger and it’s modding community
>>735052686Their WW2 show was not as good
>>735053151From what I remember from listening to Dan Carlin's WW1 series, wasn't that mostly because France built their whole doctrine around light armor, cavalry and movement? But they got fucked by German artillery doubling their little horse drawn artillery piece's range?
THE FIRST MAN IN LINE GETS A CHAUCHAT. THE SECOND MAN CARRIES MAGAZINES. WHEN THE FIRST MAN FALLS, THE SECOND MAN PICKS UP THE CHAUCHAT. ALLONS-Y!
>>735053375>"In order to conduct mobile warfare your troops must be mobile">Sun Tzu, Art of War
>>735035185There's been games about Russia invading Ukraine for the past 30 yearsNewsflash, there's also been games the US invading the ME since 1991
>>735053842
>>735052468>WW2 had a significant impact on world history but WW1 didn't WW2 is literally just the sequel to 1 since the way 2 played out was a consequence of everything the allies in WW1 did, including sidelining Japan.
>>735053523Myth
>>735053946Actually, no. Not retarded like the movie but automatic rifle teams were a couple guys crew serving it. A gunner and a loader.
>>735054000The "one man gets a rifle, one gets ammo" thing from Enemy at the Gates is a MYTH.
>>735052225In the eyes of a sex haver, those who see Nazi boogymen everywhere and those who praise Nazis are equally cretin
>>735033169Over The Top is probably going to be my GOTY. I havent had fun like this in years in a multiplayer game, its really nice to see a modern game that just holds true to its premise and doesnt try to be subversive or fuck around with DLC or try to appeal to people from other games just to sell itself. It just does what you expect of a WW1 game and doesnt try to get cute with modernism shit or having 3/4 of the team with automatic weapons because CoD is popular. Its not balanced at all and youll often get taken out by random explosions or when you think noone is watching so you decide to get out of the trench to make it to the next objective faster and get clapped by the one guy who was looking in your direction, but thats part of the setting, it just lets it ride. Its not trying to balance it out like its suppose to be competative it just does what you expect of WW1.Also >Trench TalesThis one might be too jank to be considered good, but it has the aesthetics of a game far beyond its capabilities>Last Train HomeStratagy game based around managing a train and its resources while stopping for fights now and again
>>735054052Well, duh. I was making le funny anon. Chauchat teams really did work that way.
>>735053943>germany spergs out because they endured a decade of humiliation from the entente >italy spergs out because they were fucked out of what was promised to them by the entente when they joined>japan spergs out because suddenly they aren't allowed to have an empire and sit at the big boys table add on every major power, former or otherwise, having sudden and totally not suspicious communist uprisings i can see why most people are deliberately kept in the dark about the the aftermath of ww1 and the build up to ww2
>>735053943>including sidelining JapanCrazy to think that if the Anglo-Japanese alliance never breaks, Japan could have kept its same culture up to the modern day instead of being broken and turning kawaii.
>>735051461Im dissapointed with how this has gone. I wanted turnip28 but WW1, and instead they have literally positioned themselves to just be GW, like people explicitly supported them because they WERENT GW.Hope they change, I actually liked some of the stuff people made, but seeing it all shift to really stupidly expensive models where they are even striking down STLs is fucking gay.
>>735054224I think that was largely orchestrated by the USA since they pushed back against the racial equality proposal for the League of Nations.
Freikorps: see their buddies getting amputated by landmines and entire squads getting wiped out by a single French shell Also Freikorps: "Yeah this is kino we gotta do this again Sieg Heil"
>>735054237I hear this a lot, but I have zero interest in actually playing the tabletop so I dunno whats going on.I think the lore is neat. I love edgy shit like that. So its cool to read up on.What did they do? I know /tg/ was in a tizzy over the equivalent of "no nazis allowed" post but that seems like not the whole story
>>735034025>piss a lot of people offThe children of WWI vets are in their 70s It would be fake outrage.
>>735033169WW2 is easy good guys vs. bad guys, ww1 is literal hell on earth
>>735054224Japan always had imperial war tendencies, they were just waiting for the technology to catch up with their fleet.Japan invading the mainland was inevitable
>>735054151preach brother
>>735033169Of the top of my head there is Amnesia: The Bunker, a horror game; Conscript, a resident evil 1 like game; and Battlefield 1.
>>735054556I think that stuff is massively overblown. >culture warriors on the RIGHT latch onto TC as the fuck you answer to modern GW>they try to steer the ship, the youtube Arch flat out says he should be in charge of the community>creator tells them to fuck off, its not their project, anyone can play and they are retards for trying to take hte reigns of something they didnt make just because they liked it>those people now get upset and consider the game woke>"you need us!">was successful without them>eternal salt, every minor issue is now blown into something huge because they are like scorned loversThis is the story of TC. Now, they are moving to making plastic ranges, after releasing 3d prints thatr were often really bad, but thats more on the printing company they went with, but its still on them. Then they started striking down STLs(the file for printing models) because they looked too similar to canon designs, again, this is the patent company they went with doing this on their behalf, but its on their watch. So they are literally doing what GW does now where they expect you to buy their models if youre going to use their designs.My personal problem with all this is that because theyre making official ranges now, it has completely undermined the initial appeal of everyone making their own stuff. That is what I got into it for, now theyve positioned themselves to just sell overpriced models and its less about the game itself just being cool enough that people get creative and make their own armies. Its just a bad direction and its sad to see.
>>735054857The parliament was trying to reinforce trade with China to overcome Great Depression
>>735055017>>735033169This one caught my eyehttps://store.steampowered.com/app/3065030/The_Caribou_Trail/>Traumatized Gallipoli vet simulator
>>735055020If nothing else, the rules for the game are out in the wild now so one doesn't have to interact with Tuomas at allThe game is actually pretty fun, drama aside.
>>735054094what's so bad about nazis normalfaggot?
>>735055278Yea the game itself is fine. Wish they did wargame rules however instead of skirmish campaign rules, it is very difficulty to get people into those games because they require a lot of commitment. You cant just show up and play a game, and TC will forever just be a niche thing in the background until it does this. Id like to see it lean more on the WW1 scale with bigger armies, since it was relying on kitbashing and not expensive official models it meant people could easily and cheaply make massive scale games, but the format they chose is just 10 models where by the end of a campaign you have 18 max if you decide to go all out on it? It feels like it should be bigger.Hell, theres Turnip tournaments now, simply because you can just show up and play games, and since the rules are so straightforward youll get large armies and small armies just based on unit types and you just give that unit whatever weapons you choose, they could totally do that for a wargame ruleset in TC.
>>735054224>Japan could have kept its same culture up to the modern day instead of being broken and turning kawaii.Honestly it's kind of for the best they got buck broken by the US. Seems like they were just kind of getting more and more psychotic. Just look at Unit 731>Let's slice a dude open while he's fully conscious without any anesthetic, cut out his stomach, and attach his esophagus directly to his intestines>Why? I don't know, science or some shit!>We need some brains to perform some kind of experiment>Let's kidnap some locals and crack their heads open with axes>What's the experiment? Shit I dunno, just get me those god damn brains
People think WWII was inevitable, that every nation is a single entity that wants war and conquest, but I believe if the Great Depression was handled properly none of it could have happened and that even the Soviets could have been coerced to cooperate with the West as our factoryMaybe even the third world could have been turned into developed nations
>>735055917There is no "they". Does Brits running concentration camps in South Africa or French soldiers raping Algerians does not mean the entire population is full of psycopaths, nor does it mean that such atrocities were inevitable
>>735056002>Great Depression90% of the cause of WWII was fucking over other countries, namely Germany, with the treaty of Versaille. The Great Depression was an American phenomena, and Germany's runaway inflation and conditions that lead to Hitler's rise were entirely a manufactured condition that came about for different reasons than the Great Depression.Fucking american education.
>>735056002>even the Soviets could have been coerced to cooperate with the West as our factoryNah. But we could have smothered them in the crib with actually supporting the allied expedition to help the Whites. That or Ludendorff not being a retard who lets Lenin off his leash.
>>735056002france does not get enough blame for ww2 despite being a pretty large reason for why germany was so pissed in the 20's, they continuously humiliated them and outright ignored some attempted communist uprisings that happened under their watchthey just get forgotten about because they were undergoing their own issues in the '30s that lead to germany taking advantage of their outdated military tactics in 1940
>>735056210the white army was too divided to be able to do much of anything, as a collective they didn't know what they were actually fighting for sending lenin to destabilize russia was a smart political move, but i highly doubt the intention was to completely destroy the country and kill off the entire royal family remember that the tsar and kaiser were pretty close before the war broke out, and apparently even exchanged messages asking if they were really going to war with each other
>>735056191Forgetting to mention German economy almost recovered from the shitshow until the Great Depression broke the spine in half(same with Japan btw)
>>735033169jews want all focus on ww2 and the holocaust and not on the brother war they started which caused the downfall of europe.
does over the top have singing?it was the best addition to battlecry of freedom
>>735056210There were economic reformists like Kosygin and Ryzhkov. Why do you think they couldn't have been like Yugoslavia or pre-Xi Jinping China cozying with the West?
Probably because it's a really hard style of individual combat to make a game about.While guns were the primary source of killing old school melee was just as prevalent, far more than in later conflicts.The game would need not only good gunplay but a fairly robust melee system AND a way to seamlessly swap between the two.The closest I can think of is M&B or holdfast or any other pike and shot game but even then they focus on formation warfare and not the beginnings of maneuver warfare,
>>735055398They are losers.
>>735057117Think not yet. There are musicians and bible verses though.
>>735057439>While guns were the primary source of killingArtillery was and always will be king
>>735057765I'm very clearly talking about the infantry experience which is what most shooter have the vast majority of players engage in.I get you wanna be smart with the arty is king truth but learn to read nigga.
>>735056191>What is the Golden Twenties?
is that the game with the shovels? these big multiplayer games seem to only be good if you have a bunch of people talking shit over voice
>>735057447>this nigger is telling us that Nazis are bad and they are doing this through a meme with an MCU character
>>735033294>germany ran out of everythingThey didn't do. They had millions of combat ready, high morale, supplied troops in the field. Completely different from the end of WW2 where Germany's military capability was literally reduced to zero. The leaders just realized the war wasn't winnable even if they kept on fighting.This was a factor that led to WW2 and the rise of the Nazi party too as all those troops that could have (and wanted to) keep on fighting felt betrayed and became radicalized.
>>735059278>millions of combat ready, high morale, supplied troops in the field.>The Hundred Days OffensiveAnon, check your sources. They were starving, demoralized, and surrendering en masse.
>>735039914>trying to shoot a bolt action at 300 ping because the autists keep maining the flamers and MGs
>>735033169i dont even know why ww1 even happened. wowza some band got assasinated. makes no sense
>>735056191All of that was caused by investment banking. They owned all the banks since the 1800's.
>>735056191Oy vey!
>>735057447After seeing what jews do to kids in Gaza I can't imagine what they would have done to him and anyone close
>>735033460yup, ive got this old book on my shelf called "The First World War" published 1933
>>735059738Nationalism, 2 more weeks and sunk cost fallacy
>>735048387Now those cowards would just run away to their autism boxes with the chattel in tow while the poors die in droves.
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>>735059762>>735059846Oh yeah, nothing at all to do with the specific clause in Versaille that says Germany has to dismantle all its industrial power, military related or not, and give it to the allies.Yes the Jews had it out for Germany, they wrote most of that shit. They made a playground out of Berlin. We all know this. But get it straight, Germany's financial situation was not part of "the Great Depression" its a separate financial crisis. The Great Depression refers exclusively to the American situation.Again, your education is fucked.
>>735033383it was called World War: Origins at the time
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>>735056310The Frogs couldn't stop seething over the Franco-Prussian War which led to them sabotaging everything for Europe in the end.
>>735057632>bong infantry can bagpipe spam if they don't feel like being a pack of diggers>germs and frogs have to rely on their limited bushwookies for the trumpetsGay as fuck
I watched this the other dayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8VeIk4AQkUNever forget
>>735059978Even th& Rentenmark put an end to hyperinflation
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>>735034025>you walk along the literal boardwalk across the mud>off to the side you hear men begging for help becuase they're stuck in the godforsaken mixture of blood, mud, shit, mustard gas, and rotting corpses>if you help them you be stuck as well>you keep your head down and your eyes fixed on the plank as they beg and cry for you to help them>the most merciful thing you could do is turn your rifle on them but you can't afford to use the ammunition >so you keep walking and whispering the lords prayer and try not to cry yourself becuase you recognize some the voices
>In April 1924, Stresemann’s policy of fulfillment paid off. An American economist named Charles Dawes was recruited to help to set a new, realistic, target for Germany’s reparations payments. This was called the Dawes Plan.>Under this plan, the reparations were reduced to 50 million marks a year for the next five years, and then 125 million marks a year following that. The plan also recommended that the German National Bank was reorganised, and that Germany receive an international loan. This loan was for 800 million gold marks, financed primarily by America.>These measures eased the economic pressure on Germany, and relations with other countries began to improve and then stabilise.>This economic improvement, as well as improvements in foreign relations, led to the years between 1924 and 1929 becoming known as the ‘Golden Years’.Hmmm
>>735060510now let's talk about the civil war in germany thst occurred almost immediately after ww1
>>735061113>all the big names in the failed communist revolution in germany were jews>oy vey hitler hated us for no reason!the funny part is that isn't why hitler hated them, but likely contributed to it if he did learn about it later on
>>735061113The one that got supressed by SPD?
>>735048136Yeah, I was going to post this too. Classic REs mixed with RE4's merchant and a teenys bit of Metal Gear stealth.
>Jews tried to kill Germany by reducing reparations(France was the only one that demanded a shit tonne anyways) and lending Germans 800 million marks o algo
>the enemy cries out in pain as he strikes you
Which country was the first to use poison gas and aerial bomb civilians, again?
because it was a stalemate throughout and people were trying to catch up all of the technological advancements that came rapidlymilitary doctrine was still stuck 40-60 years from the crimean war or franco prussian war and in some cases from napoleonic times
Jews made us kill 50 000~ 90 000 Namibians and rape Belgian civilians o algo
>>735054765>you can't be upset about things that didn't affect youSomething something breakfast
>>735033169Is there a reason my gun fires half a second after I click my mouse?Input latency makes this shit borderline unplayable
>>735065013Your malnourished soldier is struggling to pull the heavy ass trigger
>>735033365He makes good music now tho
>>735065040Is it really by design? Killzone 2 did the same thing and it was the most niggeraids shite I'd ever played
>>735065063I have no idea I'm just saying shit
I'd play a non-autistic ww1 plane and/or ship game. guys in land with rifles and shit is boring
>>735063234I didn't eat breakfast today though
WWI is by far one of the most interesting settings for a game and your highschool dropout tier education won't change that. The mixture of victorian-era and industrialized warfare, the interaction between various cultures from all around the world, the sheer diversity of tactics and weaponry and locations, the dramatic spectacles of human suffering and triumph, all make for a setting where you could basically have any genre of game. WWI wasn't just the trenches on the western front, each theater of war had wildly different characteristics. There were also all kinds of stories from the more exotic fronts like sea monsters and giant snakes and shit like that. You could do anything with WWI as a setting but you dumb niggers talk like the only possibility for a game about war is a fucking late 2000s CoD game.
The long war had ended.Its miseries had grown faded.Deaf men became difficult to talk to,Heroes became bores.Those alchemistsWho had converted blood into goldHad grown elderly.But they held a meeting,Saying,'We think perhaps we oughtTo put up tombsOr erect altarsTo those brave ladsWho were so willingly burnt,Or blinded,Or maimed,Who lost all likeness to a living thing,Or were blown to bleeding patches of fleshFor our sakes.It would look well.Or we might even educate the children.'But the richest of these wizardsCoughed gently;And he said:'I have always been to the front-In private enterprise-,I yield in public spiritTo no man.I think yours is a very good idea-A capital idea-And not too costly . . .But it seems to meThat the cause for which we foughtIs again endangered.What more fitting memorial for the fallenThan that their childrenShould fall for the same cause?'Rushing eagerly into the street,The kindly old gentlemen criedTo the young:'Will you sacrificeThrough your lethargyWhat your fathers died to gain ?The world must be made safe for the young!'And the childrenWent. . . .>written before WW1 even endedhow the fuck did he know
>>735065816for me, it's the apocalyptic tone of ww1 the old, european dominated world completely destroyed by industrialized slaughter, with pale imitations fighting over the scraps in the decades following all the while the old vestiges of said power squabble over the ashes, pretending that they'll just carry on like before after the final shell is fired
if i was born 100 years earlier i would have been dying painfully in the mud instead of sitting in my comfy room jacking off to anime girls and wasting my life
what was his problem?
>>735065817https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_treasury_of_war_poetry,_British_and_American_poems_of_the_world_war,_1914-1919/I_Have_a_Rendezvous_with_Death>be alan seeger>writes poem about death>doesnt elaborate>leaves over the top>gets shotAtleast his poem was used in a Gears of War 2 commercial so thats coolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXIjDzlGc5I
>>735069296He was certainly suicidal after seeing the horrors of war
>>735034749>WW1:SourceFuck, I miss that game. Verdun was good, but suffered from the same problem that almost all WW1 shooters have - everyone and their dog gets a full auto. It's always a dude running around hip firing a fucking water cooled LMG or some shit. Over The Top has atleast tried to limit their number with recent updates to the official servers.
>>735070280This is an exaggeration, it was a restricted class and I don't even remember if the Germans got a machine gun. Only the allies got the Lewis gun and Chauchat which are LMGs unlike Battlefield 1 which actually had the unreasonable HMGs being swung around
>>735070519The Germans had the MP-18 if memory serves.
>>735070280did we play the same game? almost all classes had bolt actions or worse
Isn’t war so romantic?
>>735040860You know, a game based on Blackadder 4 might be fun.>Officer who signed up when England was fighting natives armed with sharpened fruit.>WW1 happens and you're sane enough to realize how fucked you are>fight tactical battles, where you have military objectives that will help your men survive and personal ones that will help you escape, and "military" objectives that will make your idiot commanders happy>try to get out reassigned etc, ending depends on how many people you fucked over and soldiers you lostLike this war of mine but you have to fight or you'll get hung for desertion.
>>735033327Fuck offIt was literally the death of empires and the last great yt on huwite warIt was Kino of the highest order
>>735040860>the British government weren't much better by sending wave after wave of men into machine gun fire for the sake of gaining three feet, only to have that three feet lost the next day. nice meme
>WW1 game / movie>it's about the mostly static western front
>>735041971>See, your grandmother raped herself, Rape of Belgium is British Propaganda™
>>735071439>mfw it's not about the north sea
>>735041971Also funny you mention Greece of all places when Germans slaughtered entire villages there during WWII
>>735033169>be English>play as a British officer>do the posh voice>entire team follows me and we all get cut down by a German machine gun
>>735071796you aren't officer material
>>735072086Historically speaking, I am. We also took the trench on our third go.
>>735033169Isonzo is free on Epic Megagay store, it's comfy you should try it
>>735072463>Historically speaking, I ammaybe in the womens auxiliary balloon corps
>>735033393Valiant Hearts: The Great WarBeyond the WireVerdunTanneburgIsonzoLast Train Home (Russian Revolution)
planes when
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>>735073004What would donkeys led by lions be?
>>735053943>>WW2 had a significant impact on world history but WW1 didn'tNot what I said. WW2 did have significantly more impact on the world for the next 80 years. Yes, WW2 is a result of the ToV which was a result of WW1's conditions, but the end result is still that we're basically just saying>the big domino fell over and crushed this guy>yeah, but this smaller domino knocked it over, so it's more importantYou can definitely make an argument for that, but I'd say the crushed guy feels more inconvenienced by the big domino. Obviously, WW2 doesn't happen at all without WW1, but if we're going to separate them into different conflicts then we need to look at them separately.
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Reminder that during the Battle of the Somme, the British lost over 60,000 men in a single day. After shelling German fortifications for days, they just assumed there would be little resistance, with most of the men dead or in shock. The Germans did not give a fuck and just sat in their concrete bunkers eating sausages and drinking beer, underground and unharmed. Then the British spent the entire day telling men to run across an open field into machine gun fire. On the German side, memoirs basically consisted of>holy fuck why are they doing this>my hands hurt from firing the MG for so longwhile the surviving British soldiers renamed it from 'The Big Push' (its official title) to 'The Big Fuckup'. The amount of death in a single day would not be seen again until Little Boy was dropped on Hiroshima. Even Fat Man was well under 40,000 instant deaths.
>>735033169>kill a nigga in a car>it sparks a world war conflict wouldn't happen with a bulletproof tesla
>>735073896reminder that shit happens. there were similar fuckups all over, and not because muh evil and/or silly generals
>>735041971But luckily the British stopped making propaganda after ww1, so everything we hear about the nazis is 100% accurate facts
>>735048136Came here to post this and the bunker
>>735034025Do it like Nioh did, keep some historically accurate shit of WW1 but add some silly fantasy elements to it.
>>735074029>kill a nigga now>bloodline enslaved
I miss Verdun
Also, we need more games about the 2003 Iraq War. The only games I can think of are Insurgency and Six Days in Fallujah. (And House of Ashes lmao)
>world war>it’s just a bunch of eurocucks killing each otherWhatever
>>735033169why can't the engineer have access to the rifleman's weapons? we need more stuff to unlock even if it means a single weapon per class
>>735076672What are the difference between the engineer and rifleman guns?
So is the game really worth 15 bucks or is this a shill campaign
>>735033383It was called The Great War... In case someone actually don't know.
>>735035185Iran is just Iraq, nothing unique just play any shooter from the 2000’s and replace Iraq with Iran boom you’re playing Iran.
>>735033169Americans can't turn it into propaganda because they were too cowardly to really take part in it.
>>735033729>Objective: Survive >Objective: Sabotage oven rollercoaster >Objective: Find your shoes
>>735040860>the British government weren't much better by sending wave after wave of men into machine gun fire for the sake of gaining three feet, only to have that three feet lost the next day.Isn’t this the plan for all sides during the war? Granted the central power towards the end just went completely on the defensive but I wouldn’t say it’s partly the British fault for doing the same tactic more so everyone’s.
>>735076930talking mainly about the central powers here, they all feel pretty samey with the difference being the max damage and damage drop-off, to me the standout is the mannlicher which has a higher rate of fire and 1 extra round, the french/british rifles offer a bit more variety
>>735051727Flip flopping between absolutely loving this game and hating it. Scratches the same itch Napoleonic Wars did, could never really get into Holdfast.>aiming directly at German>repeatedly firing at him and it's clearly not hitting the rock he's beside but it's blocking my shot>the cover in front of ME blocks my shot even though my rifle is so far away from the corner>fire a full clip at him and not one shot hits>get turned to dog food by a random grenade>mfw
>>735040860Russia raped and bombed Germany, Americans killed some "nazis" who were just Polish/Czech prisoners forced to be soldiers like Saving Private Ryan, they firebombed Berlin, and more. WW2 did have clear cut sides you should be rooting for but the methods used were just as or more barbaric than WW1. But that was Total War and how it played out. Y'know except for the rape part. That was just people being sadistic and other stuff like Nanking was just cartoonish evil that happened IRL.
Damn the rifles in this game feel like shit to use. Is there no way to use iron sights?
>>735078770The game isn't balanced for iron sights, to allow more movement inside and outside the trenches, it's less realistic, but allows a more aggressive gameplay to avoid players feeling boredom doing trench tactics non stop for almost 20 minutes
>>735080497anon… I already refunded it
>>735048136This might be the best WW1 game we will ever get really. It's horrendously grim, dirty, bleak and miserable, and perfectly captures what a complete horrific meat grinder it all was. You can absolutely tell there was a massive amount of research, effort and respect put into it. I was so glad there was no last minute supernatural shit to ruin the whole thing.>>735074345I love how in that game the single time you get to maybe see outside some fuckwit just snipes you because he has no idea what's going on. Then you win the game and it's like Oh shit yeah I'm in the trenches.
fun fact: highguard's artstyle was initially conceived of as a sort of science-fantasy world war 1
The mistake is trying to make a WW1 rooty tooty point n shooty instead of just using WW1 as a setting and doing something actually interesting with it
>>735077005Yesand Yes
Iron Rebellion or whatever it was called where it's an alt-history tale where WW1 is still going in the 1960s
>CoD / MoH set in WW1>never
>>735077005Do you value spending 15 bucks to dig a hole with the boys?
>>735077005>developers last game was so bad the devs lost money during the entire lifetime of the game>they openly say this themselves>>but they somehow now have the money to pay for a dedicated shill campaignIts a fun new release, simple as.This is definitely Flavor of the Month type shit though so its one of those things you play on launch while it has thousands of players, because its going to be dead in a month
>>735077920Point being. The popular mythology of World War 2 is a lot more clean cut and a lot easier to make a game about. Not so much the morally grey mythology of WWI.Popular consensus of WW2>We went in and stopped them because they were exterminating an entire race of innocent people. It was a noble war worth fighting to prevent evil from ruling the world. The greatest generation full of real heroes.Popular consensus of WW2>A bunch of prideful cousin-fucking nobles sending millions of young men to their deaths because they couldn't be content with their current territory. A preventable tragedy that was not worth the fight. Noone was a hero.
>>735085427>Popular consensus of WW2>WW1
>>735085427>the good guys are ackshually not the good guys, because they took too many lossesridiculous>prideful cousin-fucking noblesis this just you being retarded about monarchy
>>735033626Serbs. And Bosnian Serb Princip. I don't think Austro Hungarian Jews liked Serbs tho.
>>735033169Realistic WW1 games are boring as fuck and no one wants to play them. Unrealistic WW1 games wouldn't be able to compete with Battlefield 1 in terms of sheer atmosphere. It's over.
>>735059940>tell me you don;t know Middle Eastern Methods without telling me thatRead Abaut wars in this region. Massacres and Outright genocides are Very common.See:>armenian genocide>the massacres during Syrian civil war>really current Goverment of Syria>Massacres in Iraq>ottoman massacres>Black September>Iran-Iraq War>French-Algerian ConflictWesteners have this retarded notion of a clean Splendid Little War. When it almoust never looks like that.
Shout out to the underappreciated Wings Over Flanders Fields
>no hidden and dangerous/red faction inspired tactical shooter where you play sappers and dig tunnels under the enemy trenches and mine the shit out of them
>>735082397This. I don't understand why so many fucktards assume "WWI game" means a fucking call of duty game as if gaming has not evolved past 2009.
>>735086982>as if gaming has not evolved past 2009has it
>>735084395game hit its peak last night, will be interesting to see where the player base is after a month. i think its the best indie WW1 shooty game, even beating isonzo. and isonzo had a lot of marketing and polish behind it when it came out, compared to over the top.
>>735087085>. i think its the best indie WW1 shooty game,meant to say best performing, as in player count wise.
>game where you are stuck in the mud with severe sleep deprivation from watching your friends get brutally torn to shred by artillery and under the constant fear the next shell might be coming your way, your rifle is jammed and you can't get the filth out, and your commanding officer is trying to hype you about how you could totally run the 300m of no man's land to take over the enemy position, despite the fact the previous squad literally didn't even get to fully leave the trench before getting shot to piecesActually that sounds like a horrifying horror game, I'd play it.
>>735086621I want to play a flight game, but I'm not an autistic fag with flight sticks and vr and whatnot. is this suitable?
>>735087040AAA noBut Indie Games are the best they've ever been.
>>735087415NahI think IL-2 Flying Circus has mouse control ala war thunder but that's the only other ww1 sim I can think of
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>>735073220That was Ludendorf's quote about the British
>>735086490Yes anon like I said jews are barbaric
>>735085427Fucking retarded post. Firstly, idk where you get this idea that people are children who can't comprehend a situation without clear good guys vs bad guys, especially now when morally grey slop is so popular across all forms of media. Especially now when so many younger people, the primary audience for gaming, no longer feel that WWII was so cut-and-dry as to who the "bad guys" were while the other half would complain about nazis even being depicted in media. That's also a totally reductive view of the first world war. It wasn't just some mustache-twirling nobles sending men to their deaths, it was quite literally the inevitable apocalypse of the traditional world. WWI took humanity's collective innocence and that's most clearly seen in how it impacted art, literature, philosphy, and politics. The cultural impact of WWI was far deeper than that of WWII, despite WWII being relatively more well-known about by the general public today. Basically every facet of modern life was set into motion by WWI, not WWII, even though the second war has a more of a public image through decades of propaganda.
