I NEED an update on Deltarune's development, I cannot stand this any longer, if Chapter 5 is not ready then I NEED to know when it will be ready. I am tired of WAITING, if we need to WAIT more then I must be told how much I will have to WAIT, not doing so is psychological torture.WHERE IS IT
you will continue to WAIT and you will ENJOY itlikely it will release by june to august, if more than that then there really is something going on behind the scens
>>735033715>>>/vg/
>>735033715Ch5's jap translation got a first pass like two weeks ago so they're probably going to start playtests for all the consoles soon.
>>735033715>I cannot stand this any longer, if Chapter 5 is not ready then I NEED to know when it will be readyToby has already said that Chapter 5 will not be ready until the latter half of this year. You have about three and a half months until then. That is how long you need to wait, at minimum.
Toby is too busy ripping off Japanese porn games
>>735033715August or September. Reminder there's another WAIT after 5 comes out of 2 or 3 years again. You will always need to WAIT.
>>735034467Is Fate really a porn game and not just a dating sim?
>Not releasing the big chapter update on Halloween
>>735033715I hope you have to wait even longer now. I hope you have to wait 2 more years you loser.
>>735035163That's for Chapter 7.
>>735034801Fate is chuuni kino with a couple half-assed porn scenes tossed in because someone told Nasu he had to do it.
>>735035435Halloween 2029/2030, I believe it.
>>735035494I never really played it and I only saw it shilled here by the NoelleKnight schizos. I should give it a chance one of these days.
>>735033715Let me guess, you are the type of person who genuinely expected chapter 5 to drop on January 1st at 00:00:01
>>735034182Wtf this isn't pokemon
>>735035552That or Christmas.
>>735034801The original release of F/SN (and its sequel!) have explicit sex scenes as a key part of the game's story and romantic development, yesI wouldn't exactly call it a "porn game" since it's a 40 hour visual novel which you're definitely not just playing to jack off to, but some degree of eroticism and sexuality are an integral part of the story, especially the Heaven's Feel route (which is what gets compared to Noelle/the Weird Route on here)
everyone keeps asking who's the knight but no one asks who's the angelnoelle? gaster/the narrator? (us)? someone else?
>>735035701Fate route is the worst by far of the three but intro and exposition need to be done so you just need to get through it to enjoy UBW and HF. It still has a bunch of cool moments though anyway.
>>735034467Considering how similar Shiki Tohno and Kris are, it’s probably trueThat would be fine since Nasu admitted in an interview he loved Undertale and what inspired him to end FGO along with Danganronpa V3>>735034801Short answer: NoLong answer: It's an eroge, meaning it's a game that features sex scenes, but aren't the center at all. The sex makes up like what, 1% of the whole VN?Unlike nukige, which are explicitly porn games, eroge games have console releases where the sex scenes have been removed/replaced with new scenes, which is what happened for Fate/Stay Night.>>735035701>I should give it a chance one of these days.You really should.It's such a wonderful visual novel, albeit it requires a ton of time and dedication to finish all routes and endings. Took me like 300 hours to 100% itHere's the best version that you can tryhttps://nyaa.si/view/1691072
>>735035906(You) are "The Angel" who watches over everyone, guides everyone, and lights the way with your powerHowever, Noelle will fulfill the role of "the Angel" in a more material sense
>>735035906It's the doe you posted. Player Angel has never convinced me, I think the player is just the first hero.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rksOYId-cNA&t=2120s
>>735036632This implies we will possess Noelle btw.
>>735035906Chara.
>>735035882>>735036119I see. I like lewd scenes and I always found the girls hot in general. Thanks for the link, might check it out to understand the Deltarune references.
>>735036783Chara (and Asriel) were the ones who fulfilled the Angel prophecy of Undertale but they certainly aren't the Angel in Deltarune.
>black katanasmeans nothing>Closets near every dark worldmeans nothing>Kris hiding the knight's facemeans nothing>church darkworld being created while the location of several suspects is knownmeans nothing>being able to physically carry Undyne narrows down the list of suspectsmeans nothing>weapon looks kind of like a bat for a few secondsTRUE EVIDENCEOf course, this dead person is actually alive and is wondering around town while literally nobody ever sees anything nor leaving any evidence behind! All the little hints, circumstances, etc around the mystery are pointless red herrings punishing you for paying attention! Wow, what an amazing mystery!
>>735037398>being able to physically carry Undyne narrows down the list of suspectsHas anyone considered that the Knight may just be the same regardless of being in the light or dark world?
>>735037358Geno Chara though. Fallen human=fallen angel, Kris summoning a demon or whatever
>>735037546Yes, that is the popular theory. That the dead person is actually alive and can use magic, breaking the known rules of the setting. Again, great mystery!
>>735037830>breaking the known rules of the setting.If the Knight is an ascended darkner, not really. It supports the rules even more.
>>735037750I think Chara showing up in Deltarune at this point is highly unlikely. At best she will be mirrored by either Vessel or Kris.
>>735035906noelle is still the most likely she's in this weird spot where she has some solid ground for being the knight and the angel, but i don't think she is both (you) angel is also possible, but it feels a bit cheapi think kris angel is something nobody ever considers, likely due to the light devil theme kris has going with noelle's angel
>>735037016>might check it out to understand the Deltarune references.I don't think there are, and I don't know if Toby really took any inspiration from Nasu stuff, let alone read themTsukihime is closer to Deltarune, since the MC is a knife wielding autist who experienced a trauma that shaped who he is, and also is influenced by an older girl that he met when he was a kid. Nasu and others do make jokes that said girl is a shotacon too
>>735037830>breaking the known rules of the setting.Not really, as >>735037898 explains, the Knight would simply be something similar to NEO Spamton if the managed to get hold of the Soul, a darkner that manages to transcend the dark world and manifest itself in the light world, thanks to acquiring the soul a lightner.
>>735034467trvke, its why noelle is the knight
>>735038086There's also the second voice that hijacks the intro. Either way, I just don't care about the current opposition. Kris, Carol, Knight/Dess do nothing for me
>>735038147picrel is spamton referring to (You), not noelle
>>735037398cope
stop saying Dess is a pedo right fucking now
>>735038550could be referring to any one of the three
>>735033715You will wait, at the end of the day it's a fucking SNES game, it doesn't take years to make chapters.Toby is simply milking the hype.Didn't you find it weird that ch3-4 came out on the switch 2 release date?
>>735039004I can't believe Kress is going mainstream... this is why Toby will never ever make it canon. Normalfag moralniggers fear it.
DESS PUT HER SOUL IN OUR FUCKING VESSEL SO SHE COULD ESCAPE THE DEPTHSGIVE ME MY FUCKING BODY BACK YOU BITCH DEER
>>735039190all the big theories start here and go downstream the only noteworthy theory i do not see outside of her is second hero kris, likely because it's verboten to gender the humans (people will still call kris a lesbian on occasion though)
>>735039004did twitter JUST find out about doelester?
>>735039482Incorrect, all the theories start on reddit.
>>735039190glad it's gone mainstreamKress, and /ss/ as a whole, is the purest form of love
>>735039850You get skinned alive for even slightly sexualizing the main characters you think they’d know about doelester
>>735040017Doelester and Kris the GIRL is 4chan exclusive theories
Doelester is not even a theory, it's just a shitpost. Dess is such a nothing character that it's more fun to imagine her that way.
>>735041210if asgore was a girl she would be the most beloved character in UT/DR by a massive gap
>>735041475How much shit would Toriel get if the genders were reversed?
>>735038550That's wrong and makes no sense when pink addison also referred to Noelle as the Angel.
>>735041475>fat>divorced>used goodsNah, I don't think so.
>>735042196Outta my way gayboy i'm boutta get it
>>735042125people would call mtoriel a based volcel
>>735038147>she has some solid ground for being the knighCould you please stop it with this meme? No, Noelle is not the knight.
>>735038203Probably not. I'm just saying because of people posting it in these threads, but most of them are NoelleKnight schizos so not the most reliable source of actually being a reference.
>>735038991arrestand don't tell to undyne because she was right
>>735038542The second voice does sound like Chara, but ERAM also sounds like it, too. Anyways I don't see the Undertale humans being too relevant. Maybe Gaster will take a bigger role in future chapters and you will care more about him than Kris and does.
>>735037398The Knight is the same in Dark Worlds, the closets is where they hide fountains and due to being the same they keep their superhuman strength to carry Undyne to the shelter.
>>735039004toblerone is just making a reference to his good friend homocat
>>735043145And yet not a single person has seen the 8 foot tall magic-wielding demon knight wandering around town (which we know they did during at least 2 points). Literally zero hints.
>>735039482That's true. Noelle Knight is the biggest example since nobody gave a fuck before that anon made his video.>>735040017Doelester, FemKris and NoelleKnight all started here
>>735033715karaoke night
>>735043059I forgot, there's also that part in ch2 where the narrator prevents you from washing your hands at the beginning. That could just be Toby being cheeky and not putting much thought into it but hey, it's something
>>735034467imagine if the ending of the Weird Route is Kris pulling a Sparks Liner High on (you).It would be kino.
>>735039482the kris slash shit started here too
If Gaster ends up not being based/cool/menacing or villainous then I believe that this game is cooked. Gaster could turn out to be funny after he is redeemed/cured. But I want the schizo to be schizo and live up to the metric ton of kino memes this fucker spawned.
>>735039850Yes because one guy posted it on a controversial tweet and you can tell what the reactions are already. >>735040036Except all the Xitterfags aren't able to understand the kino of Kress because they can't separate fiction from reality.
>>735043374Neither has anyone seen Rudy walk around at night despite being bedridden in the hospital. Or Carol for that matter, or even Noelle. The Knight's movements are completely hidden besides the single clue we have: the closets where a large person can fit inside.
>>735043376>NoelleKnight all started hereI don't think so. Noelle Knight on reddit predates that dumb manifesto.
>>735039004Why do people think Dess is a pedophile and misgender Kris?
>>735043690Those are all normal people and the places they visit are ordinary. The knight is not ordinary. It absolute should stand out and be mentioned by people.
>>735043712this is the oldest version of the noelleknight compilation that i've seenthis was posted back in november at least, the theory's older than people think
>>735039190>>735039850>>735040036>>735041279ara ara this perfect shot touristsGet the fuck out from my game.
>>735041475She would be Alphys 2.0. I think 4chan would hate FemAsgore but they would say male Toriel is based and a pussy slayer.
>>735044059>4chan would hate FemAsgorefor what reason?
>>735043374The town hasn't seen anyone moving suspicious. They're all retarded.
>>735044059people don't like alphys because she's annoying and a dykeeveryone would hate male toriel for being a "nice guy" and attempting to get you to hate asgore when she's actually a tragic queen doing what's best for her people
would female ashore be called asgard
Has anyone played brandish before? I am in search of kris-like characters in video-games
>>735039004
>>735043439Yeah, the narrator is sus at that part of the game, as if it knows Kris's future plans. However that could be Kris bleeding into the narration. I just feel like it's too late for Chara to show up without feeling like an asspull.
>>735044367>I am in search of kris-like characters in video-gamesWhat do you mean by Kris-like?Would Sunny from Omori fit what you're looking for?
>>735044059>I think 4chan would hate FemAsgoreAnon, 4chan loves Carol despite all her issues me includedFemAsgore not only would be worshipped here, anons would give her a much easier time for being wooby and spineless.
>>735044367I have. It plays better than it looks if you watched gameplay footage. If you've played a first person dungeon crawler like a classic SMT game you'll adjust pretty quickly to its camera since it's pretty much the same thing but it's in third person.
>>735044584i'm pretty sure being wooby and spineless would 360 into being seen as an appealing aspect of the character
>>735044656that's what I'm sayinganons like that from women
Asgore is a sweet person. so FemToriel would be seen as a gigantic asshole for divorcing her. Doubly so for being a negligent dad while flirting with the local grocery store cashier.
>>735044584Male Undertale Toriel would be seen as a creep though.
>>735044495I guess an autistic guy wielding a knife would count, but I already played omori.I'd give bonus points if the character can wear cool knight armor as well
>>735044804the pedo allegations would be endlesswell, not like toriel doesn't has hordes of /ss/ porn either
>>735044804I've been complaining about that for the last 11 years.Yeah you got the Ol' Jitterbug shit, but none of the games has ever acknowledged how she attempted to abduct a lost child.
>>735044495>om-ACK!
>>735043472Did it? I genuinely thought that was YouTube/Reddit
Protip: unless a theory is too taboo to discuss on other websites, it started on other websites.
>>735044826>I guess an autistic guy wielding a knife would countShiki Tohno fits that description very well, so play TsukihimeWeb version: https://tsukiweb.holofield.fr/More info on the series: https://www.readtsukihi.me/
>>735044474The narrator is kinda funky in delta. It almost always narrates using YOU, as in it's narrating to Kris but sometimes it uses Kris' name, specifically in battle. When using items or sparing it says ''Kris used x'' or ''Kris spared x'' but with ACT's it uses YOU. There was also an instance in ch1 where it says ''Kris got the hot chocolate'' instead of "You got the hot chocolate'' bit that was changed later.If I had to place a bet I'd say the narrator is just the narrator, nothing more but it would be interesting to have a third party in the ring
>>735037398>black katanaA katana is a thin and narrow sword.The Black Knife has a thick blade with a crossguard typical of a western sword.It's clearly not the weapon in Carol's room. Our enemy is The Knight, not the Samurai.>The Black Knife is actually a baseball batYes, you would have to be a complete moron to pretend this doesn't mean anything.>literally nobody ever sees anything nor leaving any evidence behindYes, literally nobody has ever seen anything of ANY other Knight candidate that would place them at the Fountain locations, nor have they left any evidence behind.What we have gotten is evidence that The Knight has been hiding in these locations, confirming that they are in fact sneaking around and not relying on their true identity.>>735037830>the dead personDess is not dead.>breaking the known rules of the settingIt is an established fact that the black glass which makes up The Knight's weapon and (apparently) "armor" is the same material in the Light and Dark World.>>735043374>And yet not a single person has seen the 8 foot tall magic-wielding demon knight wandering around town>Literally zero hints.
>>735045614Those hints are about Carol. She goes around cutting things up with her katana.
>>735044881She's so FUARKING based...
>>735042125People already hate Toriel. Imagine Male!Toriel divorcing his thicc loving wife, not giving a shit about his adopted son/daughter, all while getting shitfaced and fucking a fat womanlet skeleton
>>735045690Carol is a "something"?Carol was lurking in the shadows (woods) outside her own house?They didn't recognize the mayor who lives in the house that they were going to rob?
>>735045929Honestly kind of based.
>>735045929Why is he so chud coded lol
>>735045992Carol LARPs as a ninja. That actually has been foreshadowed.
>>735043513I can't see Gaster not being serious when all his scenes are extremely serious so far, especially his latest one.
Times are changing bros, more and more chuddism is arising... Soon the total tranny death will be a reality
>>735043747Dess molested Kris and that's the reason he goes by they/them (canon)>>735041279For me it's Kris undying loyalty to the Knight that makes Dess having touched him more funny, since Kris and Dess being a thing would explain why he would sacrifice everything.
>>735046038Carol might be a crypto-weeaboo but that doesn't make her The Knight, whose weapon is clearly not a katana, or explain why she would be lurking in the woods outside her house when she's basically always working
Krissex
>>735044116My main reason is the fact she would be seen as fat, possibly ugly and too clingy and desperate. Maybe my assumptions were wrong.
>>735046124>calls other rotten>trans flagzero awareness
>>735046459>she would be seen as fat, possibly ugly and too clingy and desperatebut enough about Toriel
>>735044875>the games has ever acknowledged how she attempted to abduct a lost child.The game sees it as Toriel trying to protect Frisk, but it's clearly wrong as having to go through her is necessary for you to actually beat the game.
Deltatroon
>>735044875>she attempted to abduct a lost child.Are you "abducting" a child if you force them to stay inside when the alternative is leaving them to fend for themselves in a wilderness full of hostile animals that have already killed other children
>>735045490Andrew Cunningham made a very good about Deltarune's narrator a few years ago. I disagree with a lot in it but I do agree with the general conclusion that we can't tell if the narrator is actually someone in Deltarune versus Undertale. NarraChara is pretty clear in Undertale despite everything, which isn't the case in Deltarune. The narration does use mostly "you" for Kris in Deltarune, yeah, just like in Undertale "you" was referring to Frisk, but there's those moments like in the Knight fight or Snowgrave where it uses Frisk. All in all I really don't think Deltarune's narrator is Chara, maybe at best is whatever character with the same role as Chara in the narrative.
>>735045690I did think it was Carol as well, but it could've been the Knight too. Both are likely.
>>735033715Why does anyone still play this shitty game? Fucking Zoomers.
>>735046910Are you gonna ignore how the story frames it in a way that implies she is trying to fill her empty nest frustration through Frisk?
>>735046183THEY are they/them because they are from the Applesaucers, THEY weren't molested>>735046492found the transphobic deltarune fan
>>735045929I feel like /v/ would like him if FemSans was hot.
>>735046124There's some weird fuckers in chud Deltarune xitter that I can't even understand.
>>735045929why is Male Toriel so...
>>735046557And people love Toriel (mostly) so I should've expected people would've liked FemAsgore.
>>735047214my goat Wing Gaster would never do this
>>735047156Female Papyrus would be best girl. She never gives up on you, ever.
>>735047143(Applesaucers is what Dess calls Kris as she drank his apple smoothie) (his cum)
>>735047143>found the transphobic deltarune fan
Deltarune Chapter 5 is coming out in 2028, delayed. Sorry guys.
>>735047405Bro bit the most obvious bait known to man
>>735037398>carol's secret tunnel connecting her house to the church.jpg
>>735047119No, I don't think wanting to be motherly after spending the last XX years mourning the loss of her own child(ren) and being unable to prevent other children from going to their deaths was really intended to be sinister at all.She isn't a kidnapper snatching other people's children, she's tried to protect them because Asgore has killed every one she let go. As far as we know, Frisk is the first one she tried to stop from leaving by force, because she had very good reason to believe they were going to die if she let them go.
>>735047405you can't be a fan of this game and act like this
>Hi Kris how have you been->What the fuck do you mean you're going on adventures with your imaginary friend who's me but gay and you befriended that bully girl who threatened to eat your face and looks like that purple dragon from the book we I mean you jerk off to and you did WHAT to Noelle
>>735047747Unlike Kris, we are free to do whatever we want.
>>735047349Martlet is Female Papyrus, but quite lame>>735047350I'm going to leave my friend to give you a nice speechhttps://youtu.be/3hXvTBvn6XI?is=lu2ntmkLTfNKrfH9
>>735047565She built it with her Mayor Money
>>735047783what's your opinion on people who think Dess is a molester?
>>735047935I think they're going to save the world.
>>735047845Akira Toriyama loved lolis BTW. He would get well with Toby.
>>735048019Stop with the excuses ya filth
>>735047349FemSans and Papyrus would probably make us understand why woman love them so much.
>>735047565That's good because at least it requires coming up with ideas to counter. "Dess is still alive but slightly offscreen the entire time" is shit.
>>735048058would Fem Murder!Sans be a feminist?
>>735048058FemSans doesn't really sound that appealing still. I guess he has the type of personality that is only attractive to women.
>>735048058Nah, they are both very masculine archetypes. They would not work as girls.
>>735048058eh
>>735048019Don't bother with dragon spic fansNone of them have actually read the manga
The fact is, Toby Fox cannot write women. His women have exactly two personalities:1) Tomboy 2) MomThe only woman he's familiar with is his mom. So women can only be that or himself.
>>735048019Huh, that X in Toby's icon is the same one for PAX conventionsIs that one where gif related shot at?
>>735048351And you know how to write women?
>>735047759Asriel will be like Luigi in TTYD and tell his own adventures he had in college with Deltarune Frisk and Chara.
>>735048351what about temmie?
>>735048345>Cop a feel>Hear a massive fart
>>735048351Uh, Noelle isn't a tomboy or a mom (yet)
>>735048427NTA but what the fuck does that have to do with what the anon is saying?
>>735048470Instead she barely has a personality at all!
Doelester is growing to mainstream….
>>735048470Following the logic of "women can either be like his mom or himself" then noelle is toby writing a girl like himself (a total weirdo nerd).
>>735048590Saying one can't write women yet not providing an example of a well written woman shows an actual lack of knowledge on how to write women
>>735048451Tomboy. You could replace her with a male character and it would be the exact same.
>>735048619Her personality is "my wife"
I tire of slop theories and yearn for love
>>735048470Despite looking girly, Noelle actually is a tomboy.
With Carol you have an example of a character who is both a tomboy AND a mom. A two for one!
I'm starting to think some of you think "tomboy" means "a girl who isn't a housewife or a doll"
>>735048706>yet not providing an example of a well written womanThat just confirms the anon's claim that toby can't write women or else you would have counted the anon brining up toby as an example of one.
>>735048351don't forget>valley girls>nervous anxious wreck
>>735048625Good
>>735048940Noelle has the exact same hobbies as Berdly. She is on the track team with Jockington. She lusts over girls. All her friends are boys. Her only feminine trait is having a domination fetish.
Kris...
>>735048351Toby can write quirky chungus woman like Temmie, Alphys and Noelle. But otherwise you aren't wrong. You don't see the dainty little princess type in his games.
>>735048940it's pretty common these days for people to call a girl with some boyish interests a tomboy, when the actual tell is personality noelle can have a hobby of glitching video games and do cross country while still being a girly girl
>>735048625Based. Dess will be the new fanon Sans but for us men.
>>735049089He probably has complete disdain for that archetype.
>>735048940Noelle is the girliest girl in both Undertale and Deltarune officially.
>>735049043I think valley girl is the only third archetype you could argue for. Catty and Bratty definitely act like women, but they're also shallow and undeveloped. I'm assuming by nervous wreck you're referring to Alphys, but she's another tomboy. She acts like a male nerd.
>>735049201Most likely. He did make Toriel because he disliked moms that did nothing in pokemon games. I wouldn't be surprised if he disliked the traditional damsel in distress like Peach
>>735048774Soon enough
>>735049384GIWTWM (either one)
Am I the only one that thinks that Toby should have taken it off the monsters that aren't anthro animals for Deltarune?I mean for Undertale they were fine but when you have Darkners, they feel out of place in hometown.
>>735048886Is this OC?
>>735046956The steady Chara lore dripfeed over the years does makes me wonder if he wants to explore the character more. It's clear from the game that you're meant to make your own interpretation of her yet he sort of backpedaled that with recent-ish info
>>735049384We wait
>>735049209>Alphysand Noelle
>>735049891I think the Undertale livestream was it personally. With that I feel like Toby basically said everything he had to say about Undertale in general including Chara and he won't be dropping anymore major loredrops. I feel like topics he introduced there like being strong enough to be invincible will be in Deltarune but outside of that he might be done with expanding Undertale, the anniversary stream felt like his goodbye.
wokies are rejecting undertaledeltarune
>>735050252why do you screencap this crap and bring it hereare you a child?
>>735050252Good. The game isn't as gay they love saying it.
>>735050252>Lisa: The PainfulHuh? Is Lisa woke?
>>735037398There is no mystery. Not a single person in the game has suggested that the Roaring Knight is actually a lightner in disguise, because THAT'S STUPID.
>>735050450Not really, but Dingaling himself is.
>>735050458The knight behaves like a lightner. If he was a darkner he could walk between fountains like Ralsei.
>>735050252Disco Elysium is great but it's a totally different style of game and writing compared to what Toby does
>>735050450lisa can be seen as extremely woke depending on how you look at it society collapses because all the women are gone, men devolve into bums who drink and get into fights all day, all the men are 100% willing to rape a little girl because she's the only women alive (that they know of), one of the most civilized areas is a gay bar full of troonsbig difference is that lisa the painful is also funny and presents all of this in a natural way
>>735050458>Not a single person in the game has suggested that the Roaring Knight is actually a lightner in disguise
>>735049063>All her friends are boyscatti's a dude?
>>735050543We still don't actually know how Ralsei is doing that do we?
>>735050623The solution to those questions? Dess, of course!
>>735050543Are we sure the Knight never did that?
>>735050757Yes. If he could walk between fountains there would be no need to hide inside closets.
>>735050252>posting a literal who
>>735050740Ralsei was created from the grand fountain, which is made of pure darkness and is superior to the other ones. That's why he's a special boy and can do that shit.
>>735050252What people don't get is that UT/DR has never been a work that overtly advocates or promotes lefty talking points.Calling it "queer propaganda" is wrong, it's more accurately described as "queer escapism".
>>735050801Part of my question lies in whether the Knight was inside the opened closet door in Chapter 2, hidden in the dark where we couldn't see it, or it was gone, meaning it escaped from the front door of the library.
>>735050613The guy who made lisa hates men and his fans so it kind of sours the humor, him trying to redeem the father makes him look like a complete retard even more
>>735050756What's Dess's connection to the police? Closest I can imagine is her possibly having run ins with them.
>>735050740The way Dark Worlds have been explained, and The Prophecy, kind of imply that the Dark Worlds always exists as some lower layer of reality, which are brought up and "made real" when a Fountain is opened and darkness is imposed on the Light WorldThe weird barren cliffs outside of Castle Town and TV World could be like a void between worlds which Ralsei can traverse (remember that he can fly), or Ralsei can just independently manifest in other Dark Worlds at will because he's a unique Darkner who's supposed to be there>>735050757>Are we sure the Knight never did that?We have reason to believe The Knight never even entered the first two Dark World at all
>>735050252>Disco Elysium>ultra mega woke>the same game that rewards you for being a fascist by giving you a cool new portrait (no other ideology does that), and your partner will still respect you and consider you a friend even though you embarrassed him by being a sexist and racist fuck Yeah noIt's not really "woke" the same way as other games like Night In The Woods for example
>>735050897I believe the implication is that the knight hid in the closet, waited for Berdly and Noelle to fall asleep, and then made the fountain. She then escaped before it was sealed.
>>735051058DE calls you a retard literally all the time for picking the fascist path. It's a woke game, it's just not a bubbly everything is pink and pretty and gay type of woke.
>>735050756>>735050980>* Maybe... Maybe that's why the Knight captured Undyne?>* They wanted to take their code so they could get in...>* ... But in that case...>* They'd have to know the other two codes, too.Susie is speculating about The Knight's identity based on her own incomplete information and hypothesisShe fails to realize that The Knight kidnapping Undyne to learn her code doesn't really make sense and The Knight must have already known all three codes to access the ShelterIf we modify the hypothesis to "The Knight is someone who already knew how to access the Shelter," there are two characters who pretty confidently fit that profile
>>735051058DE is a game made by communists. If critiques all ideologies, but from the biased perspective of a commie. The positive attributes of fascism, for example, have nothing to do with the ideology itself. It's because it makes the protagonist give up alcohol.
>>735050252I can only wonder how far will Toby actually go with the queerness in Deltarune.So far in the franchise only lesbians got actual spotlight in the story, various they/them characters that don't ever get their status brought up, gay men are always done for jokes, trannies are always vague allegories or very sidelined NPCs, and shit like polyamory gets overtly ridiculed by the game.
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>>735050757It would have been impossible for the Knight to be a Darkner or some kind of monster because they somehow managed to get into the library completely unseen and open a fountain
>>735051241>DE calls you a retard literally all the time for picking the fascist path. Does it?It's only path that tells what is your issue and that you should finally move onThe only political group that the game actually shits on are centrists>It's a woke game, it's just not a bubbly everything is pink and pretty and gay type of woke.IDK man, it sounds more like that the term "woke" is really dumb. >>735051414That's still not enough to call the game "woke" (which is a really stupid term that I hate to label anything with) I mean if it really was, there would've been major repercussion for being a fascist, but there aren't, and Kim still consider you a friend at the end of the game if you're still being nice to him
>>735051939The knight is an ascended darkner. She can always go into the dark world.
>>735051939the knight has to be someone who wouldn't attract attentionsomeone who could seamlessly blend in to all the prior fountain locations with no one batting an eyenoelle and toriel so far are the only two who fit this criteria, alphys and berdly fit until ch4, but alphys has an excuse there at least
>>735051974>there would've been major repercussion for being a fascistYou literally lose health every time you select a fascist option. The only ideology portrayed with sympathy is communism, since it's seen as a good idea ruined by flawed humans. Literally "the people failed communism".
>>735051939>because they somehow managed to get into the library completely unseenWow, I wonder how the shape shifting shadow creature managed to travel UNSEEN?
>>735052074Bro, Carol and Rudy can also do it. The library, church, and school are all normal locations for them.
>>735052074If Noelle opened the Library fountain how come Berdly didn't see it? They went inside together.
>>735052163He fell asleep.
>>735033715No one is gonna play this slop. Just take out an ad faggot.
>>735052261He didn't notice Noelle opening a fountain literally in the same room?
>>735052325He was asleep. There's a reason why he and Noelle were in a sleeping pose when the fountain was sealed.
>>735052083>You literally lose health every time you select a fascist option.Ackshually, you lose morale, not health, and that if you went ahead and learnt Revacholian Nationhood thought, which is completely optional and not required for being a fascistSecondly, this is a non-issue if you learnt Actual Art Degree, which heals your morale for every artsy option you pick (which is once in a few minutes), so it balances outI'm not denying that the game is kinda biased towards commies, but i'm just correcting you on some details
>>735052163she could've made it in the closettold berdly she needed something in there, opened the fountain, then walked backez
>>735052156carol is the mayor and would've caused a stir if she was spotted at schoolher showing up at the library also would've attracted attention
>>735054034Her daughter is going to school. I don't see why going there to pick her up would be a big deal. Mayors are still normal people.
>>735046124>admitting to browsing twitternot a good look kresstard
>>735054358ch1 establishes why that would be a big dealcarol is too wrapped up with work to leave early to pick up noelle, to the point where noelle is too afraid to go ask her for the keys when she gets locked out
>>735052074>the knight has to be someone who wouldn't attract attention>someone who could seamlessly blend in to all the prior fountain locations with no one batting an eyeThey are not "blending in," they are hiding and staying out of sight completely. THAT is what we have evidence for.They are not relying on their identity to avoid suspicion. They are not "supposed to be" there, and we have NO evidence of anybody seeing them visit these locations.>noelle and toriel so far are the only two who fit this criteriaIf your theory says "Toriel could be The Knight" that should tell you you need to reconsider>>735052156>Carol and Rudy can also do it.Did anyone see them at these locations?Is there any evidence that the mayor who's famously dedicated to her work left City Hall in the middle of the day to drive through a traffic jam to the Library for no good reason?Did somebody report that the terminally ill cancer patient who was too weak to hold a conversation after sitting through a church service somehow snuck out of the closed hospital during a rainstorm?It didn't happen.
>>735054358Carol is not a normal personYou are not considering the evidence available to you or the personalities involved, you took the hypothetical "Carol could be The Knight" and are twisting to find any logical way to justify that.A theory should be built from looking at the evidence and using it to work toward a conclusion, not picking an answer and working backwards to justify it with bullshit.
>>735047759I really hope that if asriel shows up in the story he acts as an antagonist unintentionally. I feel like he would instantly catch on to something being wrong with kris, and therefore acts against kris and the player kind of inadvertently
>>735054515Answering the "how did these suspects go here without attracting attention?" with "they were just really sneaky" is lame. It's a generalized solution, so much it can apply to Carol too. She wasn't seen because she sneaked around like a ninja. That has more foreshadowing than the knight being able to do so.
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>>735055204The fact is that The Knight did not attract attention and as far as we know has gone completely unnoticed and unseen, so the argument that "The Knight is someone using their identity to avoid suspicion" is simply wrong because there's no evidence to support the idea that this is happening.It is especially flawed when applied to people like Carol, the most public figure in town with no reason to leave City Hall in the middle of her workday, or Rudy, a man known to be bedridden in the hospital who barely has the strength to sit through a church service with his daughter.
>>735055454 I like this comic a lot. the idea of asriel enabling all of kris' worst habits is really neat and sort of parallels his role as flowey, where he encourages you to hurt the other characters
>>735055885we have zero idea if the knight was 'unnoticed or unseen', all we know definitively is that they were there to open the fountainfor all we know noelle and berdly saw someone else in the computer lab when they entered it and paid it no mind because it was someone that could be expected to be therewe don't know because susie never asked and kris isn't going to let (you) bring it up
>>735056779>for all we know noelle and berdly saw someone else in the computer lab when they entered it and paid it no mind because it was someone that could be expected to be thereThen why does this closet exist?
>>735056880Red herring, like every part of the so-called knight mystery. Berdly and Noelle were asleep, so anybody could have entered at any time.
>>735056880theory bait the description of 'a large person' is so vague that 80% of hometown could fit into that because kris is a midge
>>735056880Because the knight is fuckin 8 feet tall
>>735056950>Red herring, like every part of the so-called knight mystery.
>>735057123Most of the "clues" for this mystery are utterly meaningless red herrings. The entire thing is based around a sword looking vaguely like a bat for a few seconds.
Kress is... breaking containment...
>>735057201and who's to blame but tobias himself?there is an alternate sword summon animation in the files, tobias could have used that instead
>>735057419Good. Let the western fandom burn.
>>735050623it's asriel btw
>>735057419Hello Xitter lurkers!Don't worry, we're not ALL about little human they/thems getting doelested here!Most of us just want to fuck Noelle!
>>735058087For me, it's Susan
>>735057681The whole knight identity shit is confusing, since the framing makes it look like a mystery (see: Kris hiding the knight's face) but the actual execution doesn't match that. It's just a regular plot point with a ton of added bait/red-herrings for no reason. I think it's genuinely just Toby baiting the fans for more engagement for an otherwise unremarkable plot point.
>>735058087>human handsew
>>735058234out of everyone in deltarune, she has to have them so she can wear rings
People that think Toby would willingly put Gaster in Deltarune are insane
>>735058234What do you think she has? Hooves?
Why are you even theorizing, You know you are just gonna get bamboozledYour expectations are poison and you are gonna have to swallow it someday
>>735058275Most people don't even seem to think Toby willingly added genocide.
>>735042138Noelle isn't looking for the ring of thorns though. you are
>>735058220>the identity of the main antagonist who very likely has extremely significant personal and emotional ties to half the main cast is not a "remarkable" plot point
>>735057201>The entire thing is based around a sword looking vaguely like a bat for a few seconds.And Kris copying its drip and mannerisms and openly working with itAnd it clearly being a darkner with a human soul, with there only being one human soul unaccounted forAnd part of the premise of the game being to help a girl lost in the dark in some unspecified way
>>735058347I don't have to have a rock solid idea of what's going to happen to have positive expectations that the story lives up to. Theorizing based on the information we have is fun if your "theories" don't amount to you making an argument for the way you WANT the story to go.
>>735039004I'm still confussed on wtf that post could possibly be replying to.
>>735044584carol reminds me a lot of those strict moms from my school days who had hearts of gold despite again being rough on the outside. the Holiday family continues to be the more interesting of the main families...at least til Asriel returns
>>735058402>it clearly being a darkner with a human soul>one human soul unaccounted forBoth of those are assumptions.
>>735058397The antagonist is not actually Dess. If it was, then she would be alive and well. It's a monster that kind of maybe has something in common with her. It may as well be a stranger. >>735058402>it clearly being a darkner with a human soulThat's not clear at all. Even if it is, there ZERO (0) reasons for Dess to be a darkner. The entire scenario is so contrived and requires making so much shit up that it's in no way qualifies as a mystery.
>>735048754nothing can stop the march of soulelle Our angel
>>735046124Oh hey it's me.I said and drew that.
For the Dess Knight solution to make any sense you have to work backwards, assume it's her because of the bat symbolism and then make up magic bullshit to explain how it's possible. It's the same methodology used to justify any schizo theory.
>>735058543>aliveObviously.>and wellThis looks "well" to you?>It's a monster that kind of maybe has something in common with her. It may as well be a stranger.Wow, someone should let Kris and Carol know so Kris stops sharing tender moments with it and Carol stops risking the end of the world for no good reason.
>>735058705nigga it's a fantasy game everything is bullshit until justified
>>735038542the second voice is dess, who was originally deltarune chara. she also shut the closet door. hint hint.
>>735058542It's a darkner that can travel to the light world. The only way we know that's possible is for a darkner to obtain a human soul. There is exactly one human soul unaccounted for, which is Kris's original soul. We know that he can remove souls from his body and has had some intuitive understanding of this capacity since he was a child. It's not hard to speculate as to what may have driven him to try removing his soul and giving it away.>>735058543>The antagonist is not actually Dess. Yes she is, and so is Kris, it's the point of the fucking game>That's not clear at all. Spamton wanted Kris's current soul (you) so he could go to the light world. The knight can travel freely between the dark and light worlds. Ergo, it has a soul. Kris's original human soul is unaccounted for. The Knight is also extremely powerful and kinda amorphous, which is exactly what you would expect of a non-human creature hopped up on human juice. Toby even leaked that the black crystal shit is determination. >there ZERO (0) reasons for Dess to be a darkner.Well not to directly turn into a darkner no, at least not through a mechanism that we know of. But we do have multiple examples of characters who are basically just the darkner "version" of a lightner, namely Ralsei and Gerson, although obviously there are differences from the originals.
>>735058720DessKnight is apparently just wandering around in the woods just outside the Holiday mansion, so yes, she could talk to her mom at any time. She doesn't do it and talks to Kris instead because reasons.
>>735058705>and then make up magic bullshit to explain how it's possibleYeah, Toby Fox needs to knock this shit offAll of this magic bullshit glass and cryptic symbolism around it is getting really inconvenient for my narrative
>>735058750True, the Dess identity is in fact a fantasy plot point. The problem is that it's pretends to be a mystery, when it isn't. It's engagement bait.
>>735058826>She doesn't do it and talks to Kris instead because reasons.>he still thinks The Knight was phoneoh BROTHER
>>735058803If the knight is actually Dess, then there's no reason for Carol or Asgore to be obsessed over finding her. She's right outside their house. They could talk to her at any time.
>>735058872>The problem is that it's pretends to be a mystery,No it doesn't. The mystery is how this happened and how far Kris is willing to go to try to fix it, not who the knight is.
>>735058929Kris and the knight are collaborating in their conspiracy. They're clearly communicating in some way. If she can do that with Kris, she can do it with her mom.
>>735058965She can't talk, seems insane, probably can't maintain a coherent form, may not be able to remain in the light world indefinitely or comfortably, and her presence is intrinsically destabilizing to the fabric of reality. Plus, if it is a darkner (likely), it's not even REALLY Dess, just like how Ralsei isn't actually Asriel.
>>735058978Bro, Kris purposely hides the knight's face. Susie wanders who had access to all the shelter codes and taken Undyne. Carol is clearly presented as a red herring. Just look at all the theories about the knight's identity. It's definitely presented as a mystery.
>>735059039She communicates with Kris, so she must be able to talk. She's also not insane, as otherwise the coordination would not be possible. And there you go at the end there, you admit it's not (actually) Dess. It may as well be a stranger, meaning the whodunnit element is pointless.
>>735059076Except Carol is not 8 feet tall or a flying shapeshifter. Also the knight doesn't change AT ALL between dimensions, unlike lightners whose clothes change when they enter the dark world. You're supposed to intuit that Carol is in on the conspiracy, not think that she could be the knight herself.
>>735059012Yeah, they're all in on the conspiracy together.And?
>>735059145>She communicates with Kris,Does she? We've never been given an example of this. You're assuming that the knight is the mastermind and calling the shots. Maybe instead the game's actual main antagonist, who has been opposing you from the very start, is the one who is actually directing the plan.>It may as well be a stranger, That's easy for you to say. What if you lost a family member and then some magical construct thing with parts of their personalities and memories showed up desperately needing help? Are you going to say "no you're not real"?
>>735038495holy fuark mspaint anon is my hero
>>735059185>the knight doesn't change at all between dimensions do we know this? or is it just speculation because it was able to out speed susie, who admits she couldn't get a good look at the knight when chasing it through town
>>735059298The knight *must* be able to communicate. If she can't, then the chapter 3 scenario would have been impossible to arrange. The knight only popped in at the very last second they could, bought as much time as possible when pretending to kidnap Toriel, and immediately kidnapped Undyne when given the chance. It's way too damn specific. >>735059268If Carol can already speak to her lost daughter, then her motivation doesn't make sense. What is the conspiracy trying to do? Maker Dess less ugly?
>>735058803>It's a darkner>Kris's original soulThese are still assumptions.
>>7350593731) It's the only way for Dess Knight to work.2) It's hinted at with the black shard.
>>735059374>If Carol can already speak to her lost daughter, then her motivation doesn't make sense. What is the conspiracy trying to do? Maker Dess less ugly?obviously carol would want to make dess normal again, since she wants to keep things as they were in the pasteither that or the knight only has traces of dess but isn't fully her, which is more motivation to fix/find her (soul)
>>735059374You argument is the woman who had her daughter's paper snowflakes cast in bronze so they would never change should be okay with her firstborn child being turned into this
>>735059395If you assume Dess Knight is true and work backwards, this is the most likely solution. Dess died, revived as a dustner in a dark world, and then gained a human soul which let enter the light world. It's the only thing that makes sense from what we currently know.
>>735059494>revived as a dustner in a dark world,I don't think this is quite right, I think Carol probably froze Dess's body to keep it from dusting. Whether she's actually 100% dead will depend on how sad Toby wants the ending to be.
>>735059374>If she can't, then the chapter 3 scenario would have been impossible to arrange.She doesn't need to be able to communicate to do this, only to follow directions
>>735059542Becoming a dustner is the only established way for a lightner to become a darkner. Anything else is fanfiction.
>>735059672Asriel has a darkner based on him despite him being completely alive. Darkners are based on memories and perception, they aren't a transformation.
>>735033715you wouldnt live for a second in my shoes
>>735059373We haven't seen The Knight in the Light World yet so it's just speculation, but that seems to be what the Black Shard is implying.The Knight sprinting across town with Undyne, consistently being described as a "large person" through the closet spaces, and laughing in Susie's face when she claims that they'd be weaker in the Light World all support the idea.>>735059409>It's the only way for Dess Knight to work.That's not necessarily true either. Dess doesn't have to be "The Knight" in the Light World, plenty of people have interpreted her as being turned into some other kind of undead abomination.Dess Knight only requires the pretense that Dess can't just go home and live a normal life.
>>735059807Ralsei is not Asriel. We're assuming the Knight is Dess, not a random darkner with some vague similarities to her.
>>735059927Dess Knight absolutely has to be the same in the light world, since otherwise she couldn't kidnap Undyne.
>>735059930>We're assuming the Knight is Dess, not a random darkner with some vague similarities to her.Who the fuck is we? I've never suggested that the knight is literally just plain old Dess, and I don't think anyone else is either. Also yes Ralsei is just Asriel. Or more precisely, a darkner born of peoples (probably mostly Kris's) childhood perception OF Asriel.
>>735059997No, Ralsei is not Asriel. Their personalities are nothing alike, and Kris points out their faces are different. The two just share some similarities. Ralsei is likely a tulpa -- Kris's idea how he would be if he was more similar to his brother.
>>735059672>Becoming a dustner is the only established way for a lightner to become a darkner. Anything else is fanfiction.An "ascended Darkner with a human SOUL" is fanfiction. There is a shred of basis for the idea with Spamton trying to take Kris's SOUL, but whether the idea could even work and what would happen as a result is pure conjecture.The Knight cannot be a "dustner" as we understand it. Ralsei was very clear that "reviving" a Lightner from their remains was only possible under extremely specific conditions, such that not even Castle Town's Grand Fountain could bring back the old man.>>735059807>>735059997We have no idea where Ralsei came from but the more we learn about him the more he's been distanced from Kris and Asriel. The idea that he's Kris's tulpa of his brother or some bullshit has become increasingly unlikely.
>>735060132>Their personalities are nothing alike,Their personalities are almost exactly the same>and Kris points out their faces are different. The doll Ralsei is based on has a fucked up face. Also again they don't actually look very different>Ralsei is likely a tulpa -- Kris's idea how he would be if he was more similar to his brother.If that were true, Toby would have gone with Togore (or some anagram thereof), not Ralsei. >Ralsei was very clear that "reviving" a Lightner from their remains was only possible under extremely specific conditions,Wow I can't believe the character that's wrong about fucking everything was wrong again
>>735060137Ascended darkners has been hinted at with Spamton. That makes it the idea with the most basis in canon. Nothing else can explain how someone can have the same powers in both the dark and light worlds. We can then reason that Dess looks so messed up because making a true dustner is hard, as noted.
>>735060378It's also worth noting that Ralsei is just assuming that dark-Gerson must be a perfect copy of the real guy, because he obviously couldn't have met the real one.
>>735059984She doesn't have to be "literally just The Knight standing there in black armor," she just has to still be big and strong and fundamentally altered in some way that there's a motive to "save her"
>>735060349Ralsei thinks of himself as inferior to everyone, while as far as we know Asriel was an accomplished Chad. Of course we never see him directly to compare, but I doubt he's that much of an effeminate pussy.
>>735060449that just adds more complication for no benefit. We already know she has to be equally strong in the light world, so only changing the appearance adds nothing to the theory. it's just headcanon.
>>735060449dess being normally that fuckhueg is really a stretchwhy would she be that much taller than the rest of her family? her being the tallest is fine but being twice the size of them is too much
>>735060349>Their personalities are almost exactly the sameYou have no idea what Deltarune Asriel's personality is like.>The doll Ralsei is based onPure speculation>If that were true, Toby would have gone with Togore (or some anagram thereof), not Ralsei.We know where Ralsei's name comes from. It's older than "Asriel.">Wow I can't believe the character that's wrong about fucking everything was wrong again"The character who knows and explains everything about the Dark World was wrong because it disagrees with my theory" is not a convincing argument>>735060378You're guessing based off of Spamton's actions, that's a fine enough basis for a theory but the idea has significant contradictions to overcome>>735060440>It's also worth noting that Ralsei is just assuming that dark-Gerson must be a perfect copy of the real guyRalsei did not make that claim whatsoever. All that he said was making it clear that "['Dustners'] only appear in specific Dark Worlds" and "not even Castle Town would work."He's also not "just making an assumption," he's telling Susie definitively that it wouldn't work. He knows this for a fact and there's no reason to assume he doesn't know, the whole point of the scene is that Ralsei KNOWS many things about the Dark World and failed to tell Susie about it.
>>735060981Dess just happens to be an 8 foot tall deer that can bench-press cars. It's just a coincidence.
>>735060471>while as far as we know Asriel was an accomplished Chad.We know he's a golden boy, we have no reason to believe he was chad thundercock. Going off of his behavior in undertale and Kris's obvious insecurities regarding his own behavior, we can assume that Asriel is almost certainly very agreeable and friendly, if not downright servile, at least within Kris's childhood understanding of it. He probably by now has learned to distinguish genuinely being a doormat from being emotionally mature, which is why he insists that Ralsei and Asriel are completely different people, despite obviously being very similar. >"The character who knows and explains everything about the Dark World was wrong because it disagrees with my theory" is not a convincing argumentHe's wrong even about the nature of his own existence. All of his exposition is flawed at best.
>>735061157>ultra-powerful deer monster preys on the human boy next doorPoor Kris never stood a chance
>>735060521I'm not making it more complicated, I'm making it less complicated.Her exact appearance is not important, it doesn't matter if people want to cope about the magic black glass, all that matters is that she's Big and Strong and Not Like Dess Is Supposed To Be.Those are the only conditions necessary to explain 1) the observed and implied feats and qualities of The Knight in the Light World and 2) the motive of The Knight and the conspiracy if Dess is not literally "lost"The black glass/Knight "armor" staying the same in the Light World is supported and that's good and cool and makes sense. But if someone wants to argue that it doesn't make sense, it doesn't need to. This is simplifying the argument.>>735060981>dess being normally that fuckhueg is really a stretchShe's not "normally" like that. That's what "altered" means.After being lost in the Dark World for so long there is now Something Wrong With Dess. That is the necessary motive of Dess Knight, that there is Something Wrong With Her That Needs To Be Fixed.Of course the theory doesn't make sense if she was totally fine and normal and could just go home with her family, that's what retards like >>735061157 can't understand, they think that we somehow aren't aware of this
Asgore is RalseiThe Knight is one of many and is not Dess but an amalgam of light and darkKris is talking to Ralsei about secrets every time we think about Susie Friend is also not a single creature or anything important but is just visual shorthand for the depths We've already seen the "Tail of Hell," it's just King's tongue harpoon attack Everyone pays attention to the most surface level shit and it's infuriating
>>735061415Yes, and Kris is The Girl.
>>735061214When you're replying to two different people you should quote both of them"The actual text of the game explaining how the game works is not reliable" is not a position anyone can argue about, you've just decided that you're right and aren't willing to hear otherwise, so there's no point talking to you.
>>735061373we don't know if being in a dark world for long periods of time has any negative effects given that ralsei only has issue with more fountains being created, and also encourages kris and susie to stay in castle town if they need to leads me to believe that the only real risk is starvation, maybe
>>735061496>we don't know if being in a dark world for long periods of time has any negative effectsYou're right, we don't know, but it seems plausible!
>>735061445The thing is that Ralsie is indeed unreliable, but he's also the only source of information we have about this subject. Therefore you should only doubt him when we have evidence he's lying, such as in his retelling of the prophecy. Assuming he's lying just to fit headcanon is bad practice, since it can apply to everything.
What does it mean that Ralsei isn't shown as his real world object when you take a photo of him? It means one of two things: His real world object is identical to him, or he's a lightner.My money is on the latter.
>>735061556
>>735061605He doesn't have an object. He's from the grand fountain, so he's special.
>>735061605It means he's not an object.
>>735061605>>735061663>>735061675he is an object, he was about to tell susie what he is before she cuts him off at the start of ch3
>>735061621>I always did have that nightmare.>Walking into the darkness,>With the light shining from the doorway...>Then the door slams behind me.>And everything goes black.character who definitely cannot possibly be The Knight by the way
>>735061706I still think he's an object Susie is carrying around.
>>735061706No, he was telling Susie "I'm not real."Even Susie understood this.>In the Light World, in reality...>Lancer is just an average playing card.>Queen... is just a laptop.>In other words... when the lights come back on...>This world is no longer "real".>The places you go, the people you meet... none of them are.>Even I, the one telling you this... I too, am...What did you think he was going to say here, "I too, am a laptop"?>* But Ralsei, how can you say you're not real!?>* I can see you... I can feel you... I can hear you...>* "Normal objects" don't have... feelings and stuff!
>>735061836Nah, in that case he'd appear from her pocket. He clearly walks into the other dark worlds from castle town.
>>735061445>"The actual text of the game explaining how the game works is not reliable""The game" isn't explaining everything. An unreliable person is giving exposition about the setting.
>>735061849The fact that he considers himself not real doesn't mean that he doesn't have a corresponding object. He thinks the same thing of Lancer and Queen despite them being objects.
>>735061729So who slammed the door on Dess, then?
dess groomed kris
how did dess molester breach containment?
>>735063518people are becoming more and more schizo during the waitit's also arguably the most popular interpretation of dess, and builds on the current 'accepted' dess traits like her being close with kris and tomboyish
>>735063630I don't think tomboys are known for being molesters...
>>735063630how does being a tomboy correlate to grooming kris
Lolidom Kress is the superior version of Kress.
>>735063686A tomboy molested me as a child.
>>735063772Hot.
>>735063758daringhow does kris pull that off though
>>735063772Sorry that happened to you.
>>735063772Lucky bastard That should've been me
>>735063864Kris has a knife, she can force Dess to be the submissive one. Either that or she just charms Dess with her little human girl cuteness.
How did Kris kill Dess? Did it have to do with the knife? Has there been any foreshadowing for it?
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>>735063962Undyne was going to kill him if he stayed the same.
>>735063926i don't think little kris was going around threatening people with her knifeseduction is likely the correct answer, somehow
>>735063962Black Ralsei was just a red herring (like 90% of the game). You were supposed to cheer and clap when he was revealed to be a goat instead of a bug.
>>735063960>How did Kris kill Dess? Accident. He ran away from home in a blizzard and she went to find him, because she knew where he was probably headed. He made it back, she didn't. Also the knife was hers.
>>735064073She was doing the most evil pranks ever on Noelle, I wouldn't be surprised if she went around stabbing things.
Very funny that NoelleKnight schizos are going around calling everything in the game a red herring after they realized their theory doesn't actually make any sense.
>>735064232you lost, rudy knighternobody cares about how subversive it would be
>>735064232But it's true. 90% of the details about the knight mystery are red herrings. When the game is finished I wouldn't be surprised if almost entire game is red herrings.
Braindead niggas want /ss/ kress. Real darkners appreciate torturekino.
>>735064287>boynice fanfiction
>>735064287This is what we (as in us) will do to Kris in the Weird Route (except we'll call Kris a girl)
>>735064287I want to put my face directly onto her midriff and inhale
>>735063960Probably pushed her into the lake.
>>735059876Hahahah holy fucking based anon I was literally about to post this. Ten fucking YEARS for chapter two of a fucking rpgmaker game!!!!
I am 80% sure Ralsei is going to become a real boy.
>>735048625>>735048754>>735049045>>735049140>>735058670>>735050707>>735058087you guys REEK
>>735065794Hey bud, looks like you got lost on your way to twitter.
>>735063926>>735061289BUUUUUUURP
OH MY GOD I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE THIS THREAD IS MAKING ME SICK NO NO NO
>tried to post a pic of noelle>le image block cause abuse and i have to verify and shit>did it and sacrificed my gmail address>gone through like 20 fucking captchas>invalid/expired linkWhat is all this shit? Atp reddit is more free and unrestricted then this place
>>735065986ts place realized she sucks
>>735065860how does it feel knowing you're losing the culture war?
>>735065986Epstein literally bought 4chan(hiro is just a puppet figurehead in case you dont know) and systematically ran it to the ground because old 4chan is close to figuring the truth
>>735043472>>735044987Yep. The version I saw on here was formed as a result of Jackenstien's Map theory, from the question "What could the Twisted sword do to effect Chapter 3".From there, it was speculated that Kris, instead of the Knight, was responsible for the Swooning, and that the Sword could be used to Trace Kris into holding back and letting the fun gang follow through.
>6 pedo trannies yapping 300+ times about some slop that can't even be considered a game>Redditor 100% overlapGrim
>>735066265People clocked that Kris did the swing immediately because of the direction of the fucking swing
>>735066370Sorry your janitor application was rejected lmao
>Be the only human in town >Be more attractive than 90% of humans IRL How do they do it?
>>735066865kris is pure of soul
I have the biggest dick in this thread
>>735067067Asgore...
>>735067067Ralsei...
>>735066865you find a child attractive?
>>735064636lol not even chapter 2, it's just a remake of chapter 1
>>735050450One of the main ideas is that a society of all men would collapse, which is both a no fucking shit but also extremely woke considering that the dev is a little crazy and hates men despite being a man
>>735050252The way I see these games is that they're generally furry escapism games with the creator being clearly bisexual. The characters generally happen to be gay, but the gay life/gayness isn't really explored in meaningful way
>>735033715dude it's releasing this year. you're being entitled.
>>735050756This but unironically. Dess is the mayor's daughter, was Gerson's student and her bf's dad was the chief cop.
>>735051939They opened the library fountain at night. They always work during the night.
>>735057419If it leads to more Kressgold art I'm fine with it.
>>735058087But we ALSO like humans as well btw even when they aren't doelested.>>735067789Only UT/DR humans.
>>735058275Toby made Gaster to foreshadow Deltarune. I can't see how he's going to be forced into the game.
you hate kress because its "morally wrong". i hate kress because shotatards are obnoxious and deserve to be bullied we are not the same
>>735058387Yet Spamton never calls us angel except when he's giving us the blatant crown of thorns analogue to Noelle, pink addison calls Noelle angel when saying she needs stronger equipment, and Spamton calls Noelle the "angel with tattered wings" in Sweepstakes as well.
>>735058441It's that one "how to not sexualize" Susie post that was posted last thread.
>>735058783Dess has almost nothing to do with Chara outside of the Knight swooning people with 999 damage. I do think Dess wasn't originally in 2012 Deltarune but if anything she's replacing Asriel/The big bro character, not the "protagonist from another era and the main character as a pure gameplay concept"
>>735059324He's everyone's hero desu. I miss his drawings.
>>735070634But what if Kress had loli Kris. Would you hate it still?
>>735059494I think Dess's soul was removed from her body naturally and so it became a darkner while her soul got lost.
>>735059807Ralsei is not Asriel. He isn't a darkner version of him. He's just a darkner that looks like the Dreemurrs for reasons unknown.
Noelle's face is TOO LONG
>>735060349Even if we only use Undertale, Asriel in Undertale has a completely different personality from Ralsei. He's more of a combination of all Dreemurrs in terms of personality.
>>735060981The Knight is clearly a supernatural being. Dess in the flashback looked normal.
>>735064287post more like this
>>735064287Sadly that artist hasn't drawn anything like that since
>deltatroonkek
>>735063049Yes, and that's why Kris goes by they/them like most rape victims do>>735065860
>>735063758This is true. All human lolis dom monsters. It's in their blood and nature.
>>735064287BothThe sex is the reward/apology for Kris for dealing with Dess when she has one of her episodes
>>735064287That Dess is sexo but that Kris looks real girly.
>>735066265Jackenstien's map was found here but I don't remember that part about it starting Kris Slash.
>>735066865Undertale/Deltarune humans are sexo incarnate, that's how.
>>735070634Are /ss/fags even shotafags? I thought those were usually gay.
>>735040045It's such a recent thing too. People didn't really care until well after the spamton sweepstakes
>>735072070The fandom changed post Chapter 2. Before it people sexualized everyone, comic dubs sexualizing Frisk reached millions of views. I blame youtubers that got popular after Chapter 2 like Shayy
>>7350721632018 was a different time still, not and bad as it is now.
>>735071081That's gay.
>>735072293I miss that era. I still think 2015 to 2020 was the peak Undertale fanbase.
>>735043747Unused dialogue for Chapter 4 with countless explicit mentions of the various sexual acts December performed with Kris.
>>735038495papyrus is the night also you are a pedophile >>735071425they weren't molested, respect their pronouns >>735072801fake
Carol's sword wouldn't even be her weapon of choice in the Dark World because it'd turn into a Darkner.
>>735073225I don't respect the pronouns of rape victims. Kris needs to become a man and overcome his trauma.
>>735072334That's what makes it hot though.
>>735051939Can darkners even make dark fountains?
>>735075527Y*ri is only hot in extreme rare cases.
>>735075549No, they explicitly can't because they don't have determination. It's a lightner exclusive power which is why people argue Knight has a human soul.
>>735072163>ShayyFaggot casted quite the long shadow
>>735075754I would say he was the face of the current fandom and him being caught as a groomer was unironically a good thing so now the fanbase can heal
>>735070826>outside of the Knight swooning people with 999 damageKris did thisAnd only could because monsters are weak as shit if attack them when they're off guard or emotionally disturbed
>>735071746>implying /ss/tards aren't also faggots
>>735071081yes
>>735076095The Knight still swoons Susie and Ralsei with 999 damage in the actual fight itself even if we ignore Kris Slash.
>>735076225But they like straight sex
>>735071624>small crown = kingThere is not a single instance in the entire fucking history of the entire fucking world that has depicted that the king crown is smaller than the queen crownEven in chess, the queen is smaller than the king
>>735077781But the first crown has to be King based on what we know, since he's the first boss. I am pretty sure those are the King and Queen crown emojis.
>>735074947stop misgendering and assuming they were assaulted you aren't a real fan
>>735078635Omocat is Toby's BFF and she wrote this storyline. You will see it in Chapter 5.
>>735078635Kris is a man but also it wasn't rape. A 10 year old boy and a teenage girl are roughly matched in terms of physical drvelopment in terms of intellectual and emotional maturity.
>>735078769Kris... you need to stop coping and overcome your trauma...
>>735063960>>735064142Kris made Noelle Snowgrave Dess.
>>735079205"OH NO, GIRL NEXT DOOR, PLEASE DON'T SUCK MY COCK!"
>>735079345This isn't healthy, Kris. You need to let it go before you end up destroying the world for her.
>>735079653The world will be fine. Kris knows what he's doing. The human spirit does whatever it wants.
>>735079759Why are you talking about yourself in the third person?
>>735079859I'm not Kris, I'm the demon possessing Kris to molest his friends and play SCHMUPs, and so are you
>>735051241Every path you pick, the game calls you a retard.Except for ultra-liberal. Because the power of capitalism is unstoppable.
>>735033715There's no worse psychological torture than playing Deltarune and trying to convince yourself its good.
>>735080048Trying? Convince? But it is good.
>>735078687The only thing I'll see is Friend Inside Me >>735078769it's a THEY
>>735080490Kris is a boy. He's very obviously a boy. He dresses like a boy, acts like a boy, shared a room with his older brother in a religious household, and is mired in the singularly male struggle of self sacrifice as defiance against an unfair reality. Also humans can't be "they" in any meaningful way, except maybe Eunichs
>>735079980I am here to make Kris overcome his trauma from the doelesting.
>>735080886>>735080924BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURP
>>735081050"They" is a gender unspecified pronoun. It is not a kind of person.
>>735081179well Kris is a they
>>735081467No, he isn't. No human is.
>>735065794>you guys REEKThat's the idea
>>735049126Tomboyfags think having a personality at all makes a girl a tomboy.
>>735078769>A 10 year old boy and a teenage girl are roughly matched in terms of drvelopmentKill yourself
>>735080278Meds.
>>735082039It's just what Kris tells to himself every night to cope.
>>735082039It's true though. Are you seriously going to argue it would not be much more problematic the other way around?
>>735063960My theory is that during a blizzard, Kris pranked Noelle by lying that there is a man behind a tree, causing Noelle to run away into the forest in a panic and Kris to chase after her. They got lost and Dess went out to find them. Dess managed to rescue and bring them back while singing to them to calm them down, but ended up dying from hypothermia. In a panic, Kris scooped up Dess' dust and washed them down the sink in the toilet, and the pipes brought the dust to the lake.These would explain Noelle's cold-related PTSD and Kris' handwashing obsession.
It sounds like you Groomer Dess guys just want Chainsaw Man(this does not bode well for Susie)
>Kris flushed Dess down the toiletsave me Andrew Cunningham
>>735082579I can't wait for us to leave Kris and reset everything back to the beginning so that Deltarune would've never happened.
I hope you Dess groomer chuds are happy
>>735082802I am extremely. Kress is pure love.
>>735082802made into goonslop
>>735082732(This is actually Kris's goal BTW)
>>735083869... in my insane, deluded, and bad fanfic btw.
>>735082732>reset everything back to the beginningYeah...
>>735082802how is it our fault the holidays can't keep their hands off of human souls?
>>735082802how can your favorite character be dess? even gaster has screentime
>>735082802Diehard fan of 3 years of a character with so little development that their entire persona is an amalgamation of headcanons. I hate all Dessfaggots.
>>735083974It's not a fanfic. Toby told me Kris is trying to change the past so that he was the one to die instead
>* Now, honesty, that'll take you somewhere.>* Where you headed?>Nowhere>* You's was already heading that way, weren't ya, Kris?>* When the sun comes up again...>* I want tomorrow to be the same as yesterday.>* And the next day>* To be just the same as that.>* That in the end>* We can always go back to the way things were before.
>>735082802Fan of what? Dess barely has a personality (and no, Dess Knight headcanons don't count)
>>735033715What if there had been investors involved in the development? Would we have had the full game by now? Would it have been worse due to the "rushed" development? Or would it have been the same really?
>>735083351Knight is sexo
>>735083974Toby already did that plotpoint in Undertale with Asriel’s motivation to keep playing with Chara, I think it's unlikely he will do the same thing twice.
>>735084661This is a completely different kind of motivation, Kris isn't fucking around out of immortality induced boredom, he's trying to change the past in a very specific way that will probably kill him
>* Nowhere...>* Your words just now, 's got a peculiar ring to 'em.>* I can tell... you're havin' some relationship trouble, ain't ya.>* I've seen it all, y'know. At your age...>* If things go cold, you might think your whole world's endin'.>* But y'know, things go on. You'll grow up...>* Just keep livin'. Everything will be all right, sooner or later...>* There's no harm in lookin' back. You mighta missed something.>* But, when you finally turn forward once again...>* Don't be shocked if the world has changed.
>>735085362If you don't have any evidence Kris can even do that you're just spouting a fanfic.
which heaven piercing workout ready body are you looking forward to using?
>>735058783We're getting into ''pin everything unexplainable onto Gaster'' territory with Dess. She's the knight, she hijacked the vessel, she's the narrator, she's lost in the code, she's the one making a phone call, she's why Toriel and Asgore got divorced bla bla blaGive me a fucking break, I fully expect her to remain a complete noncharacter until the end
>>735084451If Kris let me complete the mission this would not have happened.
>>735086012I am looking forward to my gray homunculus creature returning.
>>735086184CoL lost and was bullied off 4chan.
>>735086367His internet access should be revoked entirely he's way too low functioning to use it responsibly.
>>735086314you think getting the vessel back is gonna be done via some obscure method or do you think we'll just get it back? still thinking we'll possess Noelle or Susie for a bit but I'm sure we'll get it back
>>735085849The dark world is, fundamentally, a world of fantasy and imagination. When the boundary between the real and the unreal is broken, you can do anything
>>735086486I think we might possess Susie (love finds its way to the girl) before we can get it again, but it will be part of the natural storyline.
>>735086585Shut up Jevil
>>735086585Fanfiction it is, then.
>>735086314>>735086486>>735086617The "vessel" is a rhetorical device and is not ever going to appear again. We will hop to Susie or Noelle at some point (probably depending on route)
>>735086684You already did this last thread.
>>735086736So did you
>>735086684Shut up nigger
>>735086752Sorry but the idea of the vessel coming back comes from multiple people like your extremely specific autistic complaints.
>>735086684The vessel had too much effort put into it to have no more role in the story.
>>735086843*unlike
>>735086843I said you, not JUST you (though it's not impossible)>>735086903It's a 2 minute intro to rug pull you and introduce the main conflict of the game (that you and your player character have independent wills and can have opposing goals)
>>735086617It would be funny to see everyone quickly realize how good of a vessel Kris really is when they play as Susie and she's constantly refusing to do shit.
>>735087034>(though it's not impossible)Is posting and being stubborn about dumb theories your new shitposting tactic after calling everyone a samefag or seething over characters didn't work?
>>735087034>>735087034anon I respect your commitment to this bit but from a game design standpoint the vessel, still in the code by the way, not coming back and being unusable is beyond stupid
>>735086903lol
>>735087146It will probably just be similar to playing as her in the Gerson fight. I actually think the "playing" as Susie will just be a cutscene before we actually get in the Vessel.
>>735087189You're not that samefag because you don't avatar post>>735087216Every single choice you make or have yet to make is stored in the save file. The section has no special considerations in terms of the programming
>>735086012>possess Noelle>go home>take off all your clothes>masturbate until you pass out
>>735087146yeah but a change of pace would be fun. no one aside from small, extremely small, of anons wants to stay inside Kris
>>735087327>Yagipedo already seething there could be another human character in Deltarune outside of KrisKeky!
>>735083119>>735083992>>735084451You tourists don't belong in the community!
>>735087349Implying I wouldn't use her body to pin down Kris and molest the shit out of him.
>>735087216>anon I respect your commitment to this bitIt's just a new shitposting tactic from a thread schizo now that he can't seethe over imaginary samefags or Undertale and its humans. Being stubborn over bad theories to lower thread quality.
Kris is a TheyDess never groomed themKris likes BerdlyPapyrus is the knight Friend Inside Me will be Chapter 5's secret boss
>>735087350I can see staying inside Kris working out if the Knight plan blows up in their face and Susie blows up on them, forcing them to finally level with us so we can work as a proper team going forward.
>>735087327so you're saying the fact that something that carries over for every chapter and is saved for every chapter has no precedence over the rest of the game? you're typing out nonsense.
>>735087146At least she would communicate what the fuck she wants me to do instead of just throwing a tantrum like Kris does.
>>735087505That sounds kinda gay, brohaha
>>735087349God this deer is built for rape
>>735087349imagine being Noelle the first thing an Eldritch horror does when it gets a hold of you is masturbating
>>735087350I think the only people that want to stay inside Kris are self-inserters or shipfags (or both)
>>735087621>>735087647>>735087670>>735087349SHE'S 16 YOU SICK FURRY FUCKS
>>735087609>so you're saying the fact that something that carries over for every chapter and is saved for every chapter has no precedence over the rest of the game?Yes, because, again, the same thing applies to every choice you can possibly make in the game. All of them are pre-initialized, all of them are stored forever.
>>735087620He doesn't really freak out at us for doing shit that isn't evil. I think fanon Kris overexaggerates how pissy he is at us.
>>735087432>implying /ss/ hmofa slop could've flourished anywhere but here
>>735087349>>735087505>>735087621Doefags are always freaky goddamn.
>>735087808Like character, like characterfag.
>>735087526"Can't"? Start spamming your chara pics and I will start insulting you for it again. But you aren't. Maybe yiu're just on your phone? Or did you pick up a ban for spamming at some point?
>>735087609>you're typing out nonsense.It's a troll bro. You aren't changing his mind, just ignore him.
>>735087682possibly. our dynamic with Kris is interesting for the story but at the same time we're playing the role of antagonist ( Kris) and protagonist (you). Kris doesn't want to talk to us or can't so the only real option for the game to progress at a certain point is escape.
>>735087319>The major plot point in the prophecy will just be a short cutscene before some stupid bullshit I'm assuming will happen regarding a character who does not exist
>>735087621It's just the natural order of things. Shy Kid belongs to deer girls, Shy Kid's consent and permission are not required.
>>735087869Yagipedo, I always posted without posting Chara in every post and so did other humanbros because the boogeyman you made up in your head doesn't exist. There's no reason to post humans in every post. This current shitposting tactic is boring.
>>735087975>shyKris is a brat
>>735088025He's shy after what the other deer girl did to 'em.
>>735088016>There's no reason to post humans in every post.And yet, that's what you usually do. Also I find it kind of disgusting that you would lump an actual person together with a hypothetical synthesized body with no mind or soul as "humans". You really don't understand or care about narrative at all do you? They're just dolls to you
>>735087908Yeah, at some point we will need to separate from him to fulfill his character arc. I can't see a Deltarune where we stay as Kris forever when the scenes he removes us get longer and longer.
>>735088025You can be both a brat and shy as fuck.
>>735087349>>735087621Damn erotic do(e)rk...
>>735087862as spamton said she is the side chick
>>735087975Here’s the rest https://files.catbox.moe/9411rt.jpeg
>>735088139>They're just dolls to you...isn't that what fiction is?? Like, as a whole
>>735088139No, it isn’t. You know this as you had melties in threads where almost no humans were posted. Sorry that the Vessel raped you like Chara did but I hope you get over your trauma.
>>735088197That dick is TOO big
>>735088239What did you think BHC meant?
>>735088205This particular schizo can't separate reality from fiction which is why he had melties over Kress and loli humans before.
>>735087870you right. you right. thanks anon
>>735088239Let a girl have her fantasies anon.
>>735088258Big Hugs and Cuddles?
>>735088303Don't worry, I also end up in a lot of verbal spats with this particular schizo as well
>>735082802
>>735088273I've never done such a thing (although obviously I don't think it's canon, Kris may have had a crush on her though)
>>735088224You're just spouting meaningless nonsense now
>>735088614You have lumped Kress as your boogeyman janny pedo and whined about lolis as well, the archives exist and we all know you're a notorious liar.
>>735088150not to mention it would make Kris a better character when they finally make whatever decision they're planning on doing as per the ending of chapter 4's routes. choose Susie or the plan on normal. Or tell the us to fuck off or again choose the plan and let Noelle me mentally tormented even more
>>735088303>>735088454Blatant samefaggotry>>735088697No I haven't. In fact I've posted about how I'm certain Kris is doing all this for her, so you can kill yourself, tranny
>>735088716This. We will actually be able to see how Kris acts without us once we are separated. We will be able to see what Kris actually thinks rather than having to read between the lines to know about it.
