Why didn't Rock and his series get as popular as his bros?
Capcom hates Megaman same way Namco hates Pacman.
Too hard for normies
>>735034873>Rock
Less wacky than Mario, less "cool" than Sonic. Still love the guy a ton, though.>>735035013Also this.
>>735034873Mega Man relies too much on 80's nostalgia and being an epic ultra nintendo hard 2D platformerThe reality of the situation is, once the 80's ended and blockbuster was less of a threat to game sales, they should have dropped that schtick and evolved the franchise linearly and put their entire weight behind being a 3D series like the other two. I'm not necessarily saying that I would like that best, but in order to keep a series like Mega Man relevant amongst young people, you have to make the kinds of things that they would be able to play.Mega Man disproportionately relies on sales from late Gen X who had an NES and Millennial guys who went back to see some of the games they missed. I'm fine with Mega Man the way it is, but it's guaranteed to less popular the way they're running it.
>>735035013I beat Mega Man 2 when I was like 8, can that really be the case?
>>735035775yes, modern "gamers" are more stupid than kids from the 80s/90s
They shat megaman games once or twice per year between the late 80s and mid 90s, if they did that today you would get sick and complain.
>>735034873The difficulty is a hard filter, the cast is pretty weak and there's only so many robots masters that can be created before getting into parody territory
>>735035158To be fair it is his actual name in the English games, and I think Megaman is a better alias for him than literally calling himself his name+Man like Japan.
>>735036369>To be fair it is his actual name in the English gamesI think you're confusing the games with the Archie comic. In the comic they call him Rock as a civilian and Mega Man as a hero, but in every English game they either call him only Mega Man or shorten it to just Mega. Which is pretty dumb, so it's no surprise most fans ignore this and just call him Rock anyway.
>>735037228>Change Rock to Mega>don't change Roll>Mega Roll instead of Rock n Rollwhat fuck were they thinking
>>735037596Rock music was to violent for the kids
>>735034873Capcom is not a first party developer, and didn't have a console manufacturer's weight pushing behind him. Sega and Nintendo push their properties because their entire console market depend on headliners.
>>735037228You're wrong, dude. Powered Up is the first game that changed "Rock" to "Mega." It was a translation fuckup. Because historically, Rock was Rock. Even in America.
>>735037228>>735037865And if you need more proof:https://youtu.be/57JXaCsWY4c?si=YbDcxBH6MWxaZ5CG&t=665We knew him as Rock, too. Capcom just fucked up 2006 and didn't have translators on staff who knew the "Rock and Roll" pun was preserved.
>>735037865Ah, that's my bad. Looking back, it seems 1-3's manuals and openings/endings only ever refer to him as Megaman/Mega Man, with 4 being the first time his civilian name was ever referenced.So the localization basically went from>His only name is Mega manto>His real name is Rockto>His real name is Mega
>>735034873Ive never played a megaman game seriously (longer than like an hour) until yesterday and am starting with megaman x in the legacy collection on my PS5. It's oddly difficult. When you pull shit off it feels cool as fuck, and I had to follow a YouTube guide to get the hang of things. Maybe it tells you about stuff like the super jump and whatever in the manual if it came with one originally as a physical copy? Even knowing HOW to play it I find the game very difficult. Allegedly it's the easiest one in the series too.
>>735034873People meme about Sonic's transition to 3D, but at least they tried, which was enough to get kid back into the series. Megaman's actual mainline gameplay never evolved into 3D even when the graphics did, so that plus the constantly rushed releases just made later games too much of the same thing but worse. Legends was what mainline Megaman should've turned into instead of letting it die after two games, and it wasn't until Battle Network that the franchise as a whole regained some actual popularity (though mainly because of the anime).
>>735040192x legacy collection has a fuck ton of added input lag which is probably making it harder for you
>>735040192I beat that game on a single rental back in the 90's when I was 11 years old. It's not hard at all.
Real answer: no soap opera bullshit.Megaman doesn't have a huge group of friends, coombaits, etc. You have his sis, Zero, the dog, the scientists and the robots, all straightfoward and simple.You don't get to imagine them socializing, so the female brained gamers-who-don't-play-games don't care for it.
>>735034873It didn't adapt well into 3d. Sonic has the same problem but he was cool looking and his fans autistic.I guess not having autistic fans was also a problem
>>735040612>>735040760Yeah, the SNES version on a CRT has 20 ms of input lag, the PS4 build has 120 ms. It's fucking disgusting.
>>735040867>Megaman doesn't have a huge group of friends, coombaits, etc.That's bullshit and you know it.
>>735035698Only the original game on NES is hard (if you don't abuse the hit box reset pause bug).
>>735041090He doesn't in comparison to Mario and Sonic. And it's not as easy to picture the robots socializing and interacting, including having sex to appeal to autists.
>>735034873Too challenging, too many similar games in a short span of time without visible evolution in the right ways, ultimately ended up self-competing with himself from like three separate sub-series all happening simultaneously. People bitch about Mega Man fans wanting more games after so long because "they already have so many", meanwhile Capcom churning all of those out basically killed the series.That, and a blue robot anime kid with no real distinguishing features is basically nondescript in this industry. Not even X with his armors stood out that much, it took Zero for people to care that much and he still didn't sell as well as Classic games.
>>735034873He's not a mascot for a hardware manufacturer like the other two.
>>735041378Again, bullshit. >Megaman>Roll>Protoman>Bass and his dog>Rush>Kalinka>the docs>Megaman's other 6 brothersEasy to do socialization there. The problem if you want to call it that is that is that it's pretty much all guys(which has always been ripe for fujos) and conceptually the robots don't actually act like humans all that much.
diluted character
>>735041545A distinction there. It was basically Zero in the X series that made people care. MMZ Zero did worse off.
>>735041941Yeah not that surprising. Continuing a storyline by jumping over to an entirely different platform into games that are easily harder than the origin sub-series is not going to bring wide appeal. Battle Network got to thrive by pretty much being its own thing on top of the collectible craze of the 00s, and even that burned out its welcome after 4 fucked up so bad.
>>735034873Too much brand dilution. You play a Mario game, it stars Mario. You play a Sonic game, it stars Sonic. You never see a Mario game where they try to imply there are multiple different types of Mario, it's all just Mario. And Sonic's experiments with trying to make "classic" and "Boom" separate things ended in failure, when before Sonic was just Sonic. At the same time, Capcom was trying to get like three or four complete separate versions of Megaman going instead of just making it all be Megaman.
>>735042058The thing about that is that MMX continued it's own story while at the same MMZ was trying to set up its own story so it ended up with MMZ having its own story that makes sense on its own but when it tries connecting itself to X it turns its own story into a mess.
>>735042316>You never see a Mario game where they try to imply there are multiple different types of Mario, it's all just Mario
Zero is the best protagonist of the franchise
>>735042423I honestly forgot that existed, but looking it back up apparently it proves my point since it did badly enough it put the devs into bankruptcy.
>>735034873Too hard to capture the same size fanbase as mario Not enough autistic furry bait to capture the same level of life-time autists as sonic As a consolation, Megaman has only really had 2 or 3 truly terrible games, never the years upon years of humiliation that sonic has gotten
Actually dude, it's Mega Man
>>735034971Namco has no idea what Pacman even is.
>>735042316>And Sonic's experiments with trying to make "classic" and "Boom" separate things ended in failureClassic in Generations and Mania did phenomenally, while Forces and Superstars were uninteresting. There continues to be things on the horizon for it to this day.The Boom TV show did very well for itself iirc. but the video games cratered. Complete and immediate death.
I swear megababy fans will complain about any imagined slight against them. Megaman gets a shit ton of games merch coverage and yet you faggots think he is in the same league as crash or bubsy
Capcom fell in love with Resident Evil instead
>>735042942Generations made it time travel instead of alternate dimensions; Sonic was still Sonic, just in two different points in time. Mania was just a Sonic game. Forces is when they first tried to pretend "classic Sonic" was its own completely separate alternate universe, which nobody liked.
>>735042961>a shit ton of games!>megaman 10 was in 2010>megaman 11 was 2018 >the next megaman is set to release in 2027
>>735042645Mario & luigi is still an ongoing series lil bro, they didnt give up and already made a new one inhouse because the previous dev went under and nintendo didnt feel like saving them from thatPaper mario is also an ongoing series
>>735043097From 2000 to 2010 Megaman got like 20+ games
IIRC a former Capcom dev said that Megaman-themed cosmetics are more profitable than Megaman games.
>>735034873Mega man games are hard. simple as >bu-but I finished a megaman games as a le kidokay nigger and so did I, still does not change the fact that megaman games require a lot of trial and error and most normies will give up after the first game over.
>>735043312And half of those were different genres entirely from what traditional fans wanted, and the other half had multiple Sonic 06-tier problems or mediocre things so people were left out on the fill they wanted. That's like complaining that Sonic got a ton of games in that same time period, like a metric fuckton, and ignoring how differently all those games played to the point that it was called the "Dark Age of Sonic" for a reason.
>>735043312oh your trying to claim the entire franchise thats even worse thenX hasn't gotten a game since 2004, except for a shitty phone game the zero/ZX series has been left on a cliffhanger since 2007legends dead since 2000battle network 2005and star force 2008
>>735043312From 2016 to 2026, how many Mega Man games did we get?
>>735041941I brought the mmz collection for ps4. Can barely beat any of the stages. Slow AF, you can't see ahead of you became the camera is centered on you. Those indie 20/xx & 30/xx were awesome. Any updates on mega man x corruption?
>>735043792>mega man x corruptionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhckuhUxcgA
Honestly I feel like Mega Man would've gotten bigger if they had just stuck with Rock. He has that cute simple charming design like Mario while he can also look cool as Sonic.I think Rock has the best design to fit into multiple playstyles like 2D, 3D rpg's etc.
>>735040192wtf is a super jump, we have>wall jumping, which you figure out in the green highway stage you start in when the bee traps you in a hole>jumping after a dash, which you will figure out on your own once you get your hands on the dash (that you're forced into finding eventually)
>>735043657the ones we deserved
>>735043609>X hasn't gotten a game since 2004, except for a shitty phone gametbf that thing is still raking in cash after not forcing it to follow the way of gachas. >the zero/ZX series has been left on a cliffhanger since 2007That ZX cliffhanger was more on Inti/Inafune than anyone and after the Legends shitshow it's pretty much buried.>legends dead since 2000This is what probably caused the mess with Megaman when the Legends 3 fiasco occurred.>battle network 2005They chose to end it but if they really want to they could push something.>and star force 2008Same as BN.
Honestly I'm shocked they're even making a MM12 with Dual Override, even if they're ditching the official title number to try to make it newcomer friendly. You'd think they'd just soft-reboot or entirely hard reboot the franchise at this point.
>>735036369I like MegaMan better than RockMan, but it bothers me a little the word game with his sister is lost due to the change.
>>735034873SONIC SUXROCK MAN AND ROLL CHAN SUXNARIO IS BASED lol.
I will forever be mildly annoyed that Mega Man 9 wasn't a bridging game to the X series. Imagine. Fucking IMAGINE. If all along, X1 really WAS Mega Man 10.
>>735044697>Mega Man 9 wasn't a bridging game to the X seriesGood. That shit's retarded.
>>735044665>Nario
>>735044560They already tried some reboots. They didn't work out.
>>735034873Sonic is fucking gay. Even post-Budokai DragonBall, the series that Sonic shamelessly rips off of, has a better track record.>Advance Adventure>Super DBZ>Infinite World>Shin Budokai Another Road>FighterZ>Budokai 3>Legacy of Goku 2>Fusions>Budokai Tenkaichi 2>Budokai Tenkaichi 3>Jump Ultimate Stars>Burst Limit>DragonBall Origins 1&2>Raging Blast 2>Ultimate Butoden>Attack of the SaiyansMeanwhile, Sonic only has the genesis trilogy, SA1 and SA2. It has an autistic fanbase with a legendarily garbage taste in games. Now I'm seeing Sonicfags rank Sonic06, a BROKEN game, as anything other than rock bottom. Both Mario and MegaMan mog Sonic.
>>735045642why did you make that teir list
>>735043482>formerWhen he's saying dumbass shit, it's no wonder why he's a FORMER dev. Fired for being a retard.>>735043097MegaMan's hiatus was because the guy who was incharge of the franchise left after MM11 dropped. Nobody knew what to do with the franchise until some guy stepped up recently which is why we're now getting a new game.
>>735045779I didn't make that fucking tier list. Twitter has a lot of these fucking tierlists where Sonic 06 is in the B-S range. Sonicfags are insane and have no sense of quality.
>>735046023So you prove this by making a tier list. I don't see no by eggrobo15 in the file name. For all I know, you're making this up.
>>735035698>Mega Man relies too much on 80's nostalgiaI remember rolling my eyes so hard at 9 and 10>Dude it's RETRO just like the good games before dumb old 7 and 8. We even removed sliding!11 was finally a step in the right direction, being the first non-retro styled mega man game in 22 years. Maybe 7 and 8 had flaws, but going back to the NES style wasn't the right choice.Seems like they're trying to get in a new crowd by not numbering the newest Mega Man game, probably for the best.
>>735045892>MegaMan's hiatus was because the guy who was incharge of the franchise left after MM11 droppedAckshually he was moved to SF after Xdive released and he left a bit after SFVI.
ended up catering too much to Sony fans when the base was still with Nintendo. At that point it phased out of popularity and couldn't get it back
>>735034873I liked megaman x1 more than any of the megaman games.A shame they never captured the magic if x1 again.
>>735044697MM10 IS the bridging game. Roboenza shows that the robots won't live forever. MegaMan and his friends will die peacefully especially when Capcom already confirmed that Zero doesn't activate and kills everyone like some edgelord. Plus, MegaMan meeting Zero would mean that Zero was activated while Wily was still alive which doesn't jive with X5. Zero and X activate long after the Classic cast had passed away. Reason why we won't get a bridging game is because it's not some action packed event.I don't like the bridge from X to Legends. Not too crazy about humanity going extinct. It makes everything Rock, X and Zero fought for pointless.
>>735046156See for yourself, faggot.https://x.com/search?q=Sonic%20games%20tierlist&src=typed_query&f=media
>>735046871>It makes everything Rock, X and Zero fought for pointless.They fought for justice and to protect the world from evil. The idea that humanity would make themselves so decadent that they would fade out doesn't replace the fact that the Carbons had to have their heroes and defenders too. Justice for all is still justice. If anything this should be leveled more at the Elf Wars. And honestly, Inafune had a real understated through line of the idea that humanity were lazy cunts that let horrible things happen over and over anyway. It's just kinda weird like that.
>>735046949You actually expect me to care about the opinions of subhumans?
>>735047360You said that I was "making this up.">subhumansGlad we agree that Sonicfags are subhuman.
>>735047438You're one of them.
>>735047484No you
>>735044274The problem is iconography/franchises in vidya only really "takes off" if they lean to a specific spectrum one way or the other. This is factually the case. Mario is always presented as kid friendly, family oriented, cutesy in a way. Became mega popular with kids and adults associate it as "kid like", like a toy truck or barbie dolls. Sonic was presented with edge and flair, so he became the contrarian/alternative's choice, those who want to stick it to the one running the show. That's why the series has such a hardcore fanbase with a victim mentality. Kirby, uber kid friendly, even girly to some degree. Popular with kids and women. Pokemon, kid friendly. Zelda, same with kirby, but could broach into light young teen fantasy book territory which is also why a lot of flower on the wall zoomettes/femcels play it. You get the idea. Rockman has more edge than Mario but not enough like Sonic and is more kid friendly adjacent than Sonic but not more than Mario. It's a franchise that always lacked a specific niche and was known more for its "hard" gameplay, which still gets memed about to this day, yet nothing else about it has been perpetuated as a stereotype in the modern vidya landscape asides from probably super surface level knowledge of Light and Albert being based off scientists, and that's a big maybe. Another problem is that the gameplay itself is TOO straightforward. You run and jump and shoot. There's not really any technicality to take advantage (like speedrunning in Mario) of and no real hidden or subtle complexities (like momentum in Sonic). It has ALWAYS been running, jumping, shooting, you fight a boss. It is, unironically, a completely generic video game on a surface level. Only games like Battle Network were able to "fix" this by having a completely different game style altogether and absolutely nothing about the source material influences how it plays.
>>735047360you're a fucking retard
>>735047842hey one of us willingly went on twitter and it wasn't me
>>735042696>never the years upon years of humiliation that sonic has gottenSorry anon but I think this is a massive cope. Even during Sonic's lowest decade, Sega knew how instrumental Sonic was for them, and kept content coming. They kept Sonic alive, and Sonic has since recovered nicely.Capcom has, for years, done seemingly all they could to forget they ever made the Mega Man games, only trotting the franchise out to release new rom compilations from time to time.Being a Mega Man fan makes me fucking miserable.
>>735046871>MM10 IS the bridging gameIt isn't.>Roboenza shows that the robots won't live foreverRoboenza is just something that make robots rebel but it itself isn't used for the X series. That's a whole different thing.>I don't like the bridge from X to Legends.Legends is literally 1000s of years in the future. In the long run of things those timeline forks don't amount to much because humanity's ultimate destination is extinction.
>>735046267>I remember rolling my eyes so hard at 9 and 10They were $10 each. What you got for that price was fantastic.Aside from MM9 penny-pitching for fucking DLC difficulties
>>735046267The harsh truth is having HD graphics and the larger base moveset doesn't make 11 closer to 7/8. It doubles down on the more focused action-oriented room design that 9/10 thrived on.Nothing like the hidden items or finite currency exist in 9/10/11, either.
>>735045642>>735046023>>735046949>a few stupid zoomer Sonic fans rate '06.>therefore Sonic fans rate '06 and the IP is... LE BAD.This makes no sense, the Classic, Adventure and Boost titles are all good.
>>735049131It basically tries going a little bit more into X series movement.
>>735050425>adventure Lol>boostLOL
>>735050709>LOL LOL LOL I'M NOT LISTENINGGrow the fuck up, this isn't third grade.
>>735050478Man, I would like a classic Mega Man to at least incorporate the air dash.
>>735051397Double jump's already incorporated by Bass. They're more than likely not going to go that far because they'd rather save it for X antics.
>>735051171Interesting how that's the conclusion you came to.
>>735037747I hate Kirby.
>>735043609>>735044429>X9 (event directly led to elf war), SF4, ZXC, L3, and BN7 (Lan and Mayl’s son own games)We were robbed.
>>735053004ok
>>735034873The difference in popularity between Mario and Sonic is equal in size to that between Sonic and MegaMan
>>735053110>X9 (event directly led to elf war)The event that led to the Elf Wars was Zero napping at X6.
>>735053362Not really, Sonic is the 2nd best-selling platformer franchise and the 8th best-selling game franchise in the world. Mega Man is 6th and 72nd respectively.Arrogant Mega Man fags, I think you guys need another decade without a game to humble you.
>>735054474???That guy was saying sonic was more popular than megaman you nitwit
>>735053004Cope megafaggot
>>735056770Seethe superfaggot
>>735056038I think that anon is saying that Mega Man is significantly less popular than Sonic in a way that far exceeds the popularity disparity between Mario and Sonic
>>735057457I accept your concession.
>>735044697sounds gay
Maybe they just change her to MegaGirl.
