What exactly was the point of killing off Wesker in 5 and having a sub-plot about his son in 6 if they just essentially bring him back in Requiem?
They should bring jake back but turn him into the og re4 leon
>>735037165Re has been creatively bankrupt for almost 20 years now. I remember people saying by the time of RE5 (2009) that the over-arching RE storyline was complete ass. Even if you liked RE5, that's a valid complaint. There's no planning and they clearly have had no idea where to take the series after the destruction of Racoon City in 1998. That's decades of them going in circles, going in random directions, and making it up as they go. RE Requiem is just them fully out of ideas so they revisit Racoon City since they clearly regret destroying it to begin with.Bringing Wesker back for CV was such an ass shit decision holy shit. A storyline cancer that still reverberates 26 years later.
>>735037165memberberries
>>735037696>read the comments of any old re game >BRING BACK WESKER BRING BACK THIS GUY capcom listens to these retards
>>735037165i dont care, he is dripped as fuck
>>735037165Why didn't they just have this "Wesker" in Requiem just be piloting OG Wesker Son's body, since that character was a failure and loose end they can't use due to his lack of popularity? They could have made it a big deal, especially with it being a Leon game, on top of Sherry still being around.
https://youtu.be/1SFQ4NobD0s
>>735037165>What exactly was the point of killing off Wesker in 5 and having a sub-plot about his son in 6 if they just essentially bring him back in Requiem?The actual villain and last boss kills him off unceremoniously right in front of Leon while calling him an inferior imitation, they're clearly lampshading the whole idea.You're not complaining about the story of a game you haven't played, right?
killing off your coolest guy is dumb
>>735037786Correct, the voices in Japan were likely very loud. Many Japanese fans are total retards.
>>735037165reminder that they essentially want to erase the OG storyline so they can tell the story differently.5 and 6 practically doesn't exist anymore in this timeline, therefor their remakes will show wesker and his son's fate
>>735037976>The actual villain and last boss kills him off unceremoniouslyBecause the actual Wesker never "died" and came back, right? That never happened, no sir.
>>735037165>>735037860>>735038390This. They REALLY want to pretend RE6 never happened, which is why nothing about it has been mentioned three games later.
>>735038405Yes, the actual Wesker died and never came back. He perished in that volcano, and even if he hadn't Capcom said that Uroboros would've killed him; he wasn't compatible with it. Zeno is a copycat. He loses all his powers and gets his head chopped off. He's not coming back.
>>735038638>Yes, the actual Wesker died and never came backlol k
>>735038191they got too popular
>>735038716Do you see him in any games post-RE5?Wesker is not one to stay out of the spotlight for long.
>>735037165Are you new to the concept of "making shit up as you go along"?
>>735038780He "died" in RE1 and didn't show up again in any of the games until Code Veronica. Have you seen Zeno in any games post-Requiem? Checkmate.
>>735037243They should bring back Jessica, Moira, Carlos, Raymond, Nikolai and ooze Rachael.
>Sheva, I didn't hit any of his vitals. Wesker could still be alive.
>>735039095i only expect wesker clones from now on
the entirety of RE9 was "people want more of this shit but we're out of ideas"
>>735039095He resurrected in RE1 because he had the t-virus injected into him prior to being impaled, and the shock of death triggered the virus to restore him.Zeno was shown depowered, then lost his head. Normal people do not survive beheadings.
>>735039286Thank you for admitting that Wesker did, in fact, die and come back. I accept your concession.
>>735039427And he did not come back again after RE5. He is gone for good.I accept your concession.
>>735039504I never said that he didn't or couldn't die. I said that he's died and come back in the past. Which he did. And you admitted to.Concession status: accepted.
haven't played the game but i feel like i see no discussion of re9 wesker on this boardwas the return even any good?
>>735039846And I said that he's now gone for good. Which he is, Capcom even used a copycat instead of the real guy because he's dead.Concession status: accepted.
>>735037165Completely unimportant, they just make this shit up as they go along and fans are fine with itIt's only the normies, casuals and tourists who ever point out that the narrative makes no sense
>>735039938>Wesker "dies" in the first game he appears in>shows up again three games later>nuWesker "dies" in the first game he appears in>he's totally gone for good, you guiseYour concession: acceptedYour virginity: protectedYour mother: plowedCope: seethe
>>735039175Ooze rachel and plagas ashely (og) giving me a tandem bj, please.
>>735040348>Cope: seetheYes, that is what you're doing.
>>735037165Although I admit that the main purpose of his existence in RE9 was just for nostalgia I believe they'll dive deeper into the whole thing in the following games.The Connections are now established as the main group of villains hiding in the shadows meaning they've must’ve had relations to Wesker. Zeno was just a cheap clone who thought he could be the next Wesker but he was naive.The game hinted a lot towards memory transfer so they might just bring the real Wesker back at some point. Or at least his consciousness in another clone body.
>>735037165Better question is what's the point of introducing a Wesker clone just to kill him off?
>>735038191Heihachi Mishima is back...
If it isn't DC Douglas it isn't Wesker.
>>735040850Because the entire game was nothing but references to previous games.
>>735037165Whatever, as long as it they end up bringing Rebecca back
>>735040486Clearly, admitting you were wrong must have taken every ounce of effort you had.Obviously, the truth didn’t come to you quickly.No one is surprised it took this long.Consider this a rare moment of progress.Even small realizations are impressive in your case.Sometimes being wrong is the first step toward learning.Still, it’s remarkable you finally noticed.In fairness, better late than never.Others figured it out ages ago.Next time, try arriving at the obvious a bit sooner.At least you eventually caught up.Credit where it’s due—you did concede.Chances are you’ll argue again tomorrow.Everyone will be waiting patiently for the sequel.Perhaps reflection will help you next time.Though I won’t hold my breath.Either way, the concession stands.Done and noted.
>>735040952That's just any modern game from a big franchise nowadays.
>>735040971I'm not reading all that.
>>735037165That's not wesker, that's zeno his clone
>>735041023Everyone knows you did
>Chris? stop it :(
>>735040952Yeah but wouldn't it make sense to make him a boss fight or set him up as a future villain?
>>735037165Because without Wesker this series just doesn't really have a villain, and it needs one.
>>735041083No, I don't care to read your schizobabble.
>>735037165Zeno is nothing like Wesker though.
>>735039175Parker too, he was fun.
>>735041303But you did read it, though. We all know you did.
>>735038467Probably because 2/3rds of the game is pants on head retarded and gratuitous fan service for no point other than being fan service. It also had some shit gameplay and put a new meaning on bullet sponge bosses
So how exactly did he plan on spreading anarchy using a cure for mutations?He made it sound like the world economy ran on biological warfare and that everything would crumble if a cure would be spread.
>>735041130He is being set up as a future villain but not in the direct way, basically a way to say "this shadowy organization has the ability to clone someone as powerful as wesker and its very likely theres more than one of them"
>>735041303>I'm not going to read your post, but I am going to neurotically reply to every one of your postsGiving the internet to undeveloped countries was a mistake.Resident evil should go back to tank controls and fixed camera angles. Or at least the style of 6. How the fuck are you going to have these Leon action segments and mechanically they're worse than 6?
>>735041610The RE world economy probably does run on BOWs.
>>735041741>RE10 ends with Crhis punching boulders at an army of Wesker clones
>>735041797>Or at least the style of 6.You disgust me.
>>735037165>why didn't they plan the story two decades ahead
>>735041481I'm replaying 6 right now and over half of Leon's campaign is made up of just boss fights and QTEs.
Who would win in a fight, "Wesker" or "HUNK?"
>>735039935There was no RE9 Wesker.
>>735042057>two decades>RE5 released in 2009>RE6 released in 2012>two decades
>>735037165Memberberries, marketing to bring back old fans and encourage them to play the REmakes to experience the 'graphical fidelity' of Requiem but in RE2 or 3. It's pretty easy to cop out and just say it's a clone, RE has 1:1 clones, mind transfusions, genetic cloning.. basically it's a thing so fans can mash their action figures together and go "WHAT IF INSTEAD OF CHRIS MET WESKER .. WHAT IF HE MET LEON INSTEAD :OOOOO" like FighterZ or any IPxIP game. It's crazy that people are arguing it's the real him, it's not. I 100% believe that they're going to tie him off for a DLC and have you fight a depowered version of him or spend a chapter running from him. He's got the perfect fit for the new 'Mr. X' formula that Every. Resident. Evil. Title. Ever. needs to have now and you see it work pretty well in your first fight with him in Resident Evil 5, though obviously Chris is better at holding his own against the two combatants than Grace or whoever they pick, maybe we'll get a Sherry DLC?
>>735042446bonus points if Chris shows up at the end of the DLC to help you finish off NotWesker after trapping or pinning him behind some machinery or a door or w/e mechanic they introduce to stun him in the boss fight.
>>735039175>Raymond and Jessica have been brewing their EVIL plan for 20+ years nowlol
>>735042170That's the entire game.
>>735042343>StrawmanYou could have pointed out how even RE5-RE9 isn't technically two decades either, you're not being pedantic enough, anon.
>>735038390>5 and 6 practically doesn't exist anymore in this timeline, therefor their remakes will show wesker and his son's fateNo only 5-6 exist in the Nu-Timeline. Requiem is a sequel to 6. Right now it's:>Remake>Re2 Remake>Re3 Remake>Re4 Remake>RE5>RE6>Re7>RE8>Re9 Requiem
>>735042882The point is that Wesker hasn't been relevant in the RE story since 6.
>>735039504>>735039846>>735039938>>735040348if it makes you feel any better, you are both absolutely retarded. and probably gay
>>735043321My only point is that there was no point. They wanted an "epic" conclusion for a major antagonist. Probably didn't realize how much they'd regret it, just wanted to sell a game. Now they brought him back because they want to sell more games.
>>735037786There are exactly 2 characters that make sense and create plausible cause in this retarded franchise. Wesker and Nemesis. Because they are the only ones who you can suspend your disbelief for, accepting that maybe this retarded virus shit is actually a cool, worthwhile idea that yields exceptional super soldier weapons.Everything else about this IP, from a narrative point of view, is giga retarded and doesn't even deserve to be discussed.
>>735039181>Chris, you big dummy, I also fired a rocket to bury that asshole in an active volcano. I definitely didn't miss.
>>735042236Leon beat The Commander. Leon didn't beat Zeno.
>>735037165>What exactly was the point of killing off Wesker in 5 if they just essentially bring him back 17 years later?I doubt they're thinking that far ahead
>>735037165Many of the people playing Requiem weren't even born when Wesker was killed off. I don't think they thought that far ahead
>>735044246DELET THIS
I want a RE game where protagonist has Wesker styled abilities. Compensate it by making you go against hordes.
>>735037165ithey are trying to create a new set of characters for their new audience but it never sticks to the wall
>>735045584Grace stuck to my wall.
>>735044246Isn't Leon also in the worst state of his life here? He obviously isn't beating any variant of Wesker without some kind of shenanigans, the same way Chris can't, but he's slugging around worse here due to being sick.
>>735045395>when you forget the tendies
>>735039504>And he did not come back again after RE5Wesker has also been dead (2009-2026, 17 years) longer than he's been alive (1998-2009, 11 years), the franchise doesn't need him, specially since even in games/movies/series that take place before RE5 that were published after it, Wesker was either not part of the plot at all, or only alluded to but barely shown (If showing up at all). Before RER4 (2023), the last time he showed up and spoke was in Darkside Chronicles (2009), and DC toned down his presence in the Code Veroni events...
>>735046056>1998-2009, 11 yearsActually, nevermind, I don't know why I thought RE1 released in 1998, it was actually 1996, 13 years... Point still stands though.
>>735046348the game takes place in 1998.
>>735039935It's a wesker child. A plot that's been in existence since re5 and was the focus of Rev 2, and is the focus of this game. Retards here are illiterate though and genuinely think it's wesker. The weaker children project is an attempt for Spencer to clone himself and his memories onto children (99% little girls for some reason). Most are failures. Albert, Alex (rev2), Zeno (re9), Emily and Marie (re9), etc. The game actually treats the player with a semblenfe of intellectual respect and just infers that you should understand so people here instead misunderstood and pogchamp at wesker. And it is wesker. But it's Zeno not Albert. It's here to resolve the wesker children plot line with Grace and Viktor. He is respectfully more lore based as a character than a wesker replacement.
>>735043906I swear to god you people just have not played these games or something. The biggest loose thread of re post wesker and Spencer's deaths was the wesker children plot line from RE5 and Revelations games. It was clearly going to be addressed here if they are "completing this portion of the story" as they kept saying. It's the entire plot of this game. Do you even understand what those little kids are? Jesus fuck is this board retarded? What do you think the major bait of the game with grace is? It's is she / isn't she a wesker child? Fucking idiots.
>>735044246so glad that this isn't canon and leon is fine
>>735047094Wesker? I thought she was an Ashford
>>735047094Dial your autism down. Maybe there is some loose overall plan of where they want to go with the story, but it's always changing - and ultimately determined by what will sell. Wesker was killed because they wanted a big story moment to sell games. They brought back Wesker because people like Wesker and it will sell games. Nothing you mentioned will ever be realized unless they decide they think it will sell. Treating these plot points as some sort of map of the story to come is just something you use to stroke your ego.
>>735047667But it's not like they needed to bring back Wesker, considering the series is in the middle of a golden age period on account of how much they're selling.
>>735047667This game literally resolved it all you stupid bitch. You just see "Le wesker" and nothing else. Re9 literally resolved all of rhese plots and you're too low iq to see anything outside of whatever you're spouting.
>>735047801They didn't need to bring back Raccoon City either, but it certainly sold games. Where are you going with this?>>735047828We are clearly talking past each other. You want me to know you take RE more seriously than anyone else because it's a core part of your identity and self worth, and you're trying to posture to feel good about yourself. I am telling you that developers make decisions based on what people buy. We aren't even talking about the same thing and you're patting yourself on the back.
Leon deserved a Zeno fight. It's not like he ever got to fight Wesker in any of his games. What was even the point of building him up to be a bad guy and just fucking kill him without a single boss fight?
>>735044246he was dying of t virus aids, its not really a fair comparison lol
>>735037165there's no point because there's no overarching plan, it's all just different teams writing whatever they want for each game
>>735048101It's sort of like CVX all over again where Wesker is never fought as an actual boss. Heck, in the original CV Wesker is slapped by Alexia then runs with his tail between his legs, completely disappearing from the plot, only Zeno is somehow even worse lmao.
>>735046915I thought ARK clones were just an attempt at Spencer copying his mind into a subject Alex-style and was entirely separate from Project W. I definitely think Zeno should be one of the Wesker kids, but I highly doubt Emily/etc. had anything to do with that unless I missed something crucial.
>>735041885https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKgm6r0tn8o
>>735041481>Probably because 2/3rds of the game is pants on head retarded and gratuitous fan serviceso is requiem
>>735046915>The weaker children project is an attempt for Spencer to clone himself>The game actually treats the player with a semblenfe of intellectual respect very ironic
>>735044246reminds me of Dying light: the beast evil dudes are so kino
>>735037165why are retards saying he is a clone? He has clearly different physical characteristics, especially the ear
>>735039181https://youtu.be/QVZVo2J53TM?t=58Yeah he looks fine to me. Rockets probably blew him out of the lava
>>735051135The game doesn't really talk about him besides Gideon calling him an "Immitation", and Zeno is really taken back by that comment, so since there's nothing else, the usual assumption is clone.
>>735037728South Park memberberries themselves all the time. They're retarded hypocrites, and anyone who parrots that bullshit is a moron. Of course a franchise is going to reference itself, why wouldn't it?
I'm kinda surprised we haven't had a Wesker version of Liquid Ocelot yet.
>>735037165Zeno and the presence of the Tyrant was basically just there to show what Connections is capable of, and that they mean business. >having a sub-plot about his son in 6 6 is "canon" in that the President was killed while looking into the truth behind the government's involvement in RC, but until stated otherwise, I'm personally considering anything released before 7 to be on vary shaky canonical grounds, considering they seem to be on a mission to remake everything from 0-5, and give everything more of a sense of continuity. Which I'm all for, btw.
>>735041610>>735041835Governments are willing to pay the equivalent of a modern tank for ONE dog that dies to 30 rounds of smg ammo, so he's probably correct. It would bankrupt the globe.
>>735052394DLC will explain it
>>735040971This doesn't even rhyme you neetly gay fagwith this metric you couldn't land a hag's vag
>>735037165Why is that nigga dress like that
>>73505293230 million dollars for a dog that's more durable but worse in every other way
took 1 failed try, but managed it on the second
>>735037165Wesker is most likely not even dead, RE5 and RE6 never happened for all we know in the Remake universe.
>>735052704Maybe if Zeno was Wesker using Steve's body but that would be more like The Joker from Batman Beyond
To understand Zeno you have to understand that he's a combination of Isaacs and Wesker from Resident Evil: The Final Chapter. That's why he says, "The prodigal daughter returns." That's why he wears the cross earring. That's why he dies so suddenly and like they're saying "Fuck you" to the character of Wesker. That's why Gideon says, "Pale imitation." These are all slightly reworded lines and scenes from the movie.Any person who tries to understand Requiem and who hasn't seen the movies is operating completely blindly.
>>735058142I honestly hate how you're right since RE7 and onwards with the remakes are some new timeline. RE5 remake will probably have Wesker survive and not even fall in the lava and lose his head.
>>735052394The obvious assumption is wesker child like Alex but you're probably a tourist who's played 4 5 and remakes at most. Just like Albert, Zeno is a cheap imitation or Spencer.
>>735058313why call out 5 when that's the one that introduced them and alex
>>735058268I try to forget that Wesker got taken out by a fucking door.
>>735058206I still think that the Ustanak from RE6 should have been Steve.
>>735058430... That's fair.>>735058560Agreed. That was the biggest rumor forever.
>>735037165Rev2 also ended on a cliffhanger, and the science in it kinda implied memories can be transferred.If not a DLC, then we are 100% getting another game where they introduce the idea that Zeno was merely a prototype Wesker clone that failed, and they have a 2.0 they will transplant Wesker's memories into so he can be back in the franchise proper.
>>735058560That would make more sense if Claire was in the game or Sherry had some knowledge of who Steve was.
Zeno told Leon he gets the privilege of witnessing his powers, what were they gonna be?
>>735051135Maybe not a clone clone, but he could just be some guy they experimented on with some kinda Wesker-DNA virus thing to try and recreate someone with his powers.
>>735037165
>>735038191He looks stupid in 8
>>735038716Hohohoho
>>735038191Doesn't tekken keep killing and reviving its characters more than MK
>>735058674There's enough characters who were tertiary to Claire in that story that someone could know who Steve was. You could just have Chris say "I recognize him from one of Wesker's files that we recovered during one of our many wild goose chases", and then Sherry and Leon could be "Oh, that's Steve, Claire has mentioned him". You could write your way around it.
Is everyone in this thresd just larping to be retarded or am I crazy and taking the story wrong? Zeno is clearly a Wesker child like Wesker from 1-5, Alex from Revelations 2. The entire story is about Wesker children, is it not? Grace is thought to be one until the twist at the end. You're thought to be playing as a young grace being chased by rejected Wesker children that didn't succeed like "Grace," Albert, Alex, Zeno. Emily and Marie are also current attempts, with Marie failing currently and you leading Emily to failure yourself. Is that NOT THE POINT OF THE FUCKING GAME? Is everyone in this thread stupid as fuck? Good lord. Wesker clone? Wesker is a fucking Spencer clone just like Grace was thought to be but isn't. Just like Emily is. Just like Marie is. Just like Alex is. Just like Zeno is. I actually think I need to stop coming to this board if the intelligence level here is this low. No wonder these games have yellow paint.
Zeno isn't Wesker, you got baited.
>>735058268People often talk about how the RE films used lines of dialogue or creatures from the games without their original context. Requiem does this in reverse. It has this completely out of the blue Noah's ark motif that is nothing more than the apocalyptic Noah's Ark fantasies of the original Dr. Isaacs and his cross-wearing religious fanatic clone. The entire concept of the Ark as a facility is from the movies. All Capcom changed was giving it a Noah's Ark themed AI instead of the Red Queen because hey, Capcom don't need any of that "subtlety" stuff.Leon fights "The Commander" 1v1 in a brutal hand to hand battle primarily because Alice fights "Commander Chu", an elite Umbrella soldier in a brutal 1v1 fight. So many plot points in this game are just things from the movies out of context. Hence why Leon makes quips like, "Sorry, I'm not on the menu." That's completely removed from the original context where Alice said that to Wesker. But hey, it's a cool line.
>>735058812Yes you're right and yes the people in these threads are embarrassing
>>735058812>>735058839Why would they make one of the main antagonists of the final game in the story a man with slicked back flaxen hair, sunglasses, and Albert Wesker's matrix-dodge powers if they didn't want audiences to think he's related to him in some form?
>>735058812We are talking about a Wesker clone because he's a spitting image of Wesker, a literal model swap.
>>735058941bait and switch, like everything else in the game>NANI?!?! THE ULTRA MEGA SUPER WEAPON VIRUS... IS AN ANTIVIRUS?!
>>735058519>I try to forget that Wesker got taken out by a fucking door.Capcom didn't forget. They clearly liked the idea of Wesker having a humiliating death inspired by his death in RE1. So they gave Zeno a similar death. I think that something people should realize that basically every controversial decision made by the RE films was something Capcom signed off on with varying degrees of enthusiasm.
>>735059005yes but if the answer isn't something like wesker clone or "we juiced him up with wesker DNA scrapped off a boulder", then it means that the final game meant to tie all loose ends just randomly introduced a 3rd party who just happens to have insane powers out of nowhere with no explanation.
>>735058941Because it's a bait and ssirch you stupid fucking retard. They are both clones of Spencer. You are meant to think it's Wesker at first. You then realize if you are not 5IQ that it is a Wesker child, a clone of Spencer just like Albert was. The look SIMILIAR. They DO NOT have the same model. They all have platinum blonde hair including Alex, Grace, etc. That's the point.
>>735059050It's not random at all. The entire point of this game is to tie up the Wesker children plot from 5 and Revelations. You're proving that other anon completely correct. It's actually insane.
>>735059051Not even in his first appearance I thought he was Wesker, since it's not voiced by DC Douglas. But how do you explain him having Albert's powers when no other Spencer clones did? Albert's powers came from him injecting every strain in the franchise. We got no explanation on how Zeno got his.
>>735058812Zeno is deliberately modelled (as a character) on the multiple incarnations of Dr. Isaacs. I suspect that Requiem's plot went through a bunch of choppy rewrites. But the core idea, which they got from the movies, was about creating copies of people who have false memories, and even abilities imprinted into them. The whole red herring storyline with Grace is a copy of the twist with Alice where they were cloning her with a genetic profile and trying to reproduce the special qualities in her blood that they believed were essential to unlocking the secret of a mind control serum. But it turns out that (while this plan wasn't actually bad) Alice isn't who they thought she was.
>>735058812>if the intelligence level here is this lowYeah like your post. The Wesker children were never clones, they were kidnapped infants Spencer was trying to indoctrinate with his philosophies. This is established in 5 when Project W is introduced.
>>735037165every time you think they bring him back, they actually don't. jake has never appeared again and zeno has to be the shittiest red herring i've ever seen in vidya.
>>735059130>>735059051Why the "inferior imitation" line then, which clearly references Albert? It's not "inferior sibling" or "inferior of the Weskers" it's "imitation", which means copy.
>>735037165>Wesker was never a bad guy>It was his clones doing evil shits the whole timeAfter the Spencer retcon I don't think this would be impossible at all
I just realized that Zeno was reacting to Gideon's bad breath in this scene.
>>735059050Good writing is wasted on people like you. The focus of this game is Grace and Spencer. The point of Zeno is, ignoring The Connections being a lead in to the "next arc of RE," to resolve the dangling plot threads left by 5 8 and Revelations. This game did that entirely outside of T-abyss from Rev 1. Zeno does not need to be a big bad, next arc of Resident Evil main villain. He was brought in as a parallel to Grace, who you are led to believe is a Wesker child like Emily, only to have it flipped at the end that she is not and that Elpis was Spencer's regret of the Wesker project (immortality) and Umbrella in general and made the anti-virus which Zeno killed himself with just like Albert would have done. The point is to resolve SPENCER. They did that via Grace and Zeno. Zeno served his purpose. You wanted a comical Le wacky villain and instead you got good writing and you can't handle it. Thank God this game was made for me and not you. It seemed like it was made for you until the last 30 minutes.
>>735058313>The obvious assumption is wesker child like Alex but you're probably a tourist who's played 4 5 and remakes at most. Just like Albert, Zeno is a cheap imitation or Spencer.Way too many assumptions about me anon... Wesker Children were introduced in RE5 to begin with anyways... Plus of the listed ones, none of them are called "Zeno", and they could always retcon one of them as still being alive. Zeno could always be a codename instead of his real name, but that's kinda pointless since none of the Wesker Children have unique names. Between this and Gideon calling Zeno and immitation, it's to assume he's a clone.
>>735059296HEH THAT'S WHAT'S KNOWN AS A CALLBACK
>>735059028The franchise desperately needs a central figure keeping everything on the same page. I bring up Kevin Feige at Marvel not as a statement of quality, just because it's the example that jumped into my mind the quickest. I guess Mikami was kind of that early on too. One thing that has always rubbed me the wrong way about this franchise is that it's very clearly a patchwork of different ideas from different creators and different teams who all kind of want to do their own thing, and don't really talk to one another beyond maybe sharing an asset here or there.
>>735059228He's an inferior copy of Spencer just like Albert is.
>>735059174The entire Elpis conspiracy is a direct copy of Umbrella's plan in Resident Evil: Extinction. They are so close to having a serum that will allow them to create a "docile workforce". Zombies capable of thinking, or performing tasks from when they were alive. They believe that the secret to unlocking this is to get the "original" back because none of the clones they are making seem to have the missing component. All the smart zombies they are making -- see Gideon and his t-virus that makes smarter zombies but not FULL MIND CONTROL like they believe Elpis will grant -- are flawed. So they're desperate to get "the original" back, believing she is "the key".It's actually incredible how much Requiem just does things from the movies because hey, why not? Movie fans are gonna like it, and people who don't like the movies haven't even seen them and won't notice.
>>735059157DC Douglas was basically just doing an impression of the guy who was doing it before him.
>>735058812There's a file in 5 or 6 that Albert and Alex are the only to survives of project Wesker. I'm not gonna die on this hill one way or another. Could be a clone, could gene therapy like Ada's copy Carla from 6, could be a random dude that has the same power as Wesker, love wearing sunglasses inside at night like Wesker and kinda looks like Wesker.
>>735059340The writing is mediocre and bends over backwards to tie a thousand retcons in the franchise. The story it tells could've been told just fine with Gideon alone, Zeno didn't even serve as a good bossfight.Also I never wanted a big le wacky villain, nor thought Zeno should be the big villain of the next arc, you'd know that if you used your oh so grandiose reading comprehension on my fucking posts. Maybe you are more retarded than you think.
>>735059353tbf there is a note in 5 from alex that mentions the possibility of using previously-rejected candidates after albert's death
>>735059353>Zeno not on the listsounds like anontroon's larp theory is crumbling.
>>735059396It really bugs me that Elpis being a plot device still in play means that we're never getting these kinds of zombies again in another game, or anything Progenitor Virus related ever again, and it's back to blob men and Evil Within rejects from here on.I remember when I played RE3R, I did a Palpatine "Yeah!" when Nikolai shot the vial of T-Virus vaccine because that meant zombies could still be a thing in the future.
>>735059396I guess they wanted 9's plot to 100% kill the whole progenitor virus saga and that's why they went with a cure, but it'd be cool to have actual intelligent and obedient zombies as a plot point in one of these games. And I'm not counting plagas/mold, they are more like brainwashed people than revived shambling corpses.
>>735052932Yes but the enemy is expecting tanks.It might die to 30 smg rounds but they didn't bring smg's they brought anti-tank rifles so the dog is sure to win.
>>735059228>>735059383With all respect anon, Gideon calling him a pale imitation is a direct reference to Isaacs saying, "After all, who wants to know they're a poor imitation, and inferior copy? Which brings us to you..." In the film there are two versions of Isaacs, and a version of Wesker who may or may not be a clone. (It's not clear if the original Wesker died in Afterlife and a clone replaced him. That was the original plan but it was cut from Retribution.) The Wesker who gets mogged by having a door slammed on him was also likely an imitation. Isaacs is addressing the room at large when he says it. "You thought you were the original?" he asks Alice with mocking incredulity. You should be prepared for future RE games to go further down this rabbit hole. How can any of the RE characters be sure that they are the same people, that somewhere along the line they didn't die and get switched with a clone. What if characters like Leon and Chris are just... manufactured? What if the Connections created Chris and Leon and the other anti-Umbrella crusaders embedded in the Raccoon City Police Department? After all, that's the plot of the movies. That Alice, Rain, Carlos, potentially even Jill though they don't say it out loud, were manufactured. Their personalities were constructed by Umbrella's engineers. They had a role for them to play, but they didn't die like they were supposed to and went off script.You should be prepared for these random, erratic ideas in the later movies to turn up in future games like Code Veronica because Capcom are clearly using the later movies as a guidebook.
>>735059248>Spencer retconSpencer's regret makes sense when you see him as a Machiavellian "the ends justify the means" kind of guy. Spencer used the end he was trying to achieve to justify all of the terrible means that he did. It was only after Spencer became elderly and ill, and realized that he won't achieve "the end" that he tried so hard for, did he come to regret all of "the means" that he did for nothing. Had Spencer succeeded, then he probably would have had no regrets.
>>735059579Progenitor Virus is likely 100% dead and buried, but they have several ways they could still do classic zombies if they wanted>New virus resistant to elpis>We ran out of elpis and cannot replicate it>It's a bacteria instead of a virus, so elpis is ineffective>It's another parasite/mold>It's progenitor-infected parasites that give the host zombie-like features, must shoot the nape of the neck where the parasite is to free themLast could probably even bring back RE0 leeches if they wanted
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>>735059248>After the Spencer retcon I don't think this would be impossible at allI can't wait for the double reverse retcon that he was playing Alyssa to trick her into adopting Grace for... nefarious reasons.
If you are going to do a clone, you need something cool to justify it. He died in one game, he didnt need to be there. There wasnt even a boss fight. So why do it? Adds convulsion for no reason
>>735059579>>735059619I feel like Elpis is half-assed. They can walk it back in future games because the logistics of it don't really make sense. In the movie version, the secret facility under Raccoon compared by characters in the film to Noah's Ark contains the only vial of an airborne anti-virus that came from... somewhere, and it will completely eradicate the virus globally. Smash the vial outside, and the winds will carry it around the globe. I don't get the idea with Elpis. It's not airborne. So it has to be injected. And are they going to manually inject every single BOW? It makes BOWs far less effective... but the thing is, Grace already has that serum that instakills zombies. Requiem honestly feels like it wants to avoid being an EXACT copy of the plot of the final movie, but in the process it creates a number of puzzling logistics and logic issues.
>>735059956>If you are going to do a clone, you need something cool to justify it.DLC will explain why BSAA/Chris was in Raccoon, probably a rumor about the connections reusing an Umbrella lab (the ark) to shit out more lickers and wesker clones ala Ridley from Metroid. >He died in one game, he didnt need to be there. There wasnt even a boss fight. So why do it? Adds convulsion for no reasonmemberberries since it's the final game, and even if he died in 5 to many he's still THE baddie of the franchise. Not giving us a proper fight with him was a bit lame though.
>>735059396This is what I don't get. Capcom had an opportunity to take the overall storyline of the films and do a less jumpy, less erratic version. They could take the idea of the quest for control of the mind, and take the idea of personality transfers, and take the idea of the founder of Umbrella having a daughter, and take the idea of the secret facility in the ruins with the anti-virus. Those are all perfectly reasonable ideas. But then they execute them in this really weird way where you walk away from Requiem being like, "So... is Emily actually a genetic clone of Grace? If not, why does she look like Grace? Where did Grace come from?" Way too many people will give Capcom a free pass for writing full of holes. But they had no excuse to write a story full of holes.
>>735060040I guess we can assume the machine at the end that had a bunch of vials can just shit out more, it just got destroyed.So unless BSAA or whoever can reverse-engineer Elpis to make more of it, we can still get zombies. I'm also guessing it isn't just a cure, but could feasibly also work as a vaccine. They could also just make it so the connections get a sample of elpis and find a way to merge it with the progenitor virus, such as instead of erasing it, it allows people with elpis to retain control and not be overtaken by it, so they can manifest tyrant-like mutations at will and then return to human. Or humans on a lower dosage of elpis still losing control but becoming docile and controllable.
>>735051135>Main thrust of the story is cloning>He's literally just notWesker>Tyrants are cloned because their genetic compatibility with the virus is exceeding rareI'm not sure if they mean literal clone, like he's the after thought of Project W and the joke is the only two we actually see are Alert and Alex and here's Z for Zeno even though the rest of the Weskers weren't alphabetical limited. Or if they mean a narrative clone since he's the exact same blonde haired, slicked back, sunglasses wearing, anime dodging, virus powered super psycho chasing world domination through viruses and parasites and he's written like they made 90% of the game before they remembered Albert died 17 years ago.Personally, I think he's just a high level member of The Connections and paid his way Wesker powers. Anytime something was, "The Connections did this." it was by his order. Assassinating the President in 6? Zeno told them to do it.
>>735059157>Albert's powers came from him injecting every strain in the franchise.His powers came from some Progenitor derivative, he never had to inject anything beyond that (Although he did have to take regular injections of his own virus or something like that, like he's diabetic. Making him overdose screws him up a bit in RE5's end).>>735059491Actually, very good point. I had never noticed this detail until you pointed out.
>>735060167We are supposedly getting 2 DLC, which might explain those leftover questions. 100% one DLC will be Chris and his side of the story during these events, likely explaining away everything about zeno and the connections. The other DLC could be Grace/Alyssa related.
Slightly hot take, but I don't like the direction they've taken Wesker's voice. I understand not wanting a cartoon bad guy voice like DC Douglas, but they had a perfectly sensible version of Wesker to model modern videogames on. Shawn Roberts from Afterlife, Retribution, and The Final Chapter.https://youtu.be/j7bJUY2beC8?si=Ajs86gjkh217xsPg&t=30The movie version of Wesker sounds condescending, but completely in control. He gives off a kind of calm, controlled authority. Even when he is getting shot he is never flustered. It's this almost zen-like stoicism. I think this is a fantastic interpretation of Wesker. And instead of doing this style, they've instead giving him the voice of a generic bad guy from a Jurassic Park movie or something. RE4 Remake Wesker does not sound in control. He sounds far too American, far too lowbrow, like a rogue army general character. He doesn't sound like a highly intelligent former scientist with superpowers. The movie version of Wesker carries the same smarmy authority as the movie version of Birkin (Isaacs), played by Iain Glenn. I feel like they've tried to make Wesker into just a guy instead of embracing a certain combination of unsettling and larger than life. He's generic bad guy when he should be the T-1000, you know?
>>735060395DC Douglas should have kept the role until he died. When 1, CV and 5 are remade, new players to the franchise will never hear his glorious performance. Literally the only RE VA that was irreplaceable imo.
>>735060395>>735060758To add: there's already a (horrible) precedent of them replacing a character's VA from one remake to another in Ada, so they should just walk back their mistake and bring back Douglas.
>>735059174>>735058890Someone post the ultimate multi-cut fight scene. If im making the last RE, im gonna make the same multi cuts QTE to troll players.
Because Resident Evil has always been trash and the fans will eat enything Capcom shits onto their plate
I've probably missed something, but what exactly did Victor manage to do when he was going "I've done it!"?He had taken some of Grace's blood and done something with it? But we find out that Grace isn't special, he couldn't have unlocked something with her blood.What did he think he had accomplished?
>>735063856The paper you read in the room before the helicopter key shows the test results of the blood he drew while you were unconscious. It confirms you are a match to the little girl Spencer gave away in his will. His mistake was thinking you were an experiment, which the twist reveals to be incorrect and you're just a random orphan.
>>735037165The point is that they plan none of it. Remember blue umbrella and Ethan's superhuman daughter?
>>735064000Oh, so it was nothing more than him being happy he kidnapped the right person?
7 minutes of sex
>>735064108Yes, he confirmed he found Spencer's "key".
>>735045883Healthy Leon beats Zeno easy. This is a Leon on death's bed, after 20 boss fights, Hunk, and deleting another Mr X. Dude just needed a nap.
>>735064036>Remember blue umbrellaThey literally talked about it in the previous main game.>and Ethan's superhuman daughter?That's an 18 years timeskip from RE8.RE9 is a sequel to RE8 pre-SoR.
>>735064747>>735064036>That's an 16 years timeskip from RE8.Ftfm.
I never thought someone can beat DC Douglas and his performance in RE5, but the new voice actor for the remakes is growing on me. He really does sound like an absolute shithead.
>>735052704>Free from Uroboros! Free from the Connections! Free from Bioterror! Our evolution Freed from Umbrella's prisons.>That is the Elpis I yearned for.
>>735059704RE5 and RE6 also had anti bodies being used to strengthen Uroboros (Jill's) and C-Virus (Jake's and Sherry's), so Elpis being used on Progenitor derivatives for that isn't exactly far fetched.
>>735037165Somehow, Wesker returned.
>>735059218Capcom thinks every new game must be selfcontained and people will be too lost in these 10 hours long games
>>735060395Movie Wesker is kino.
The password for the good ending was "Hope", but I was left thinking "how did Grace know it was "Hope" and not "hope" since it could well be case sensitive. Imagine getting the bad ending because you typed "hope" instead. Such a big plot hole.
>>735066575Why did she bother writing "Destruction" in the bad ending? What if that had accidentally been the right password?Why not write "kjhsdafg"?
>>735066658Zeno moves BIG fast.I guess she was worried about being believable
