>Why the hell would anyone like this “film grain” stuff?It’s just a technical flaw from film photography—it serves absolutely no purpose in video games and just makes the visuals look terrible.RE9 has film grain that’s forced on and can’t be turned off. It’s driving me crazy, forcing me to install a mod just to get rid of it.
Actually its a stylistic choice and can look good.
how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning op?
Film grain and chromatic aberration are the two worst forced visual effects that dev could ever throw onto their game.I've never finished Deus Ex Mankind Divided cause of it's force film grain
Not true, film grain can disguise poorly filtered textured and help with upscaling/fake frames. I always turn it off but technically there is incentive to include it.
>>735062991>re9 film grainWhat?
>>735063129>re9 film grainhttps://www.nexusmods.com/residentevilrequiem/mods/18?tab=posts&BH=0
>>735062991It's one of the ways you can go to visually distinguish flashbacks from the present of a story.
>>735063210I didn't even notice, I must be getting old lol
>>735062991To mask the uncanny rendering of "realism".
>It’s just a technical flaw from film photographyI always think this is weird too. Even outside of games.Sometimes I get what they're going for, but it usually emulating flaws comes across as stupid fluff that's there for no good reason.Fucking lens flare, there's no lens, there's not even a real camera.
>comparing fake digital video game film grain to real film grain
I still can't tell if seeing film grain IRL is normal or not (most noticeable on single color things like wall or sky)
>>735063571Please consider.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_snow_syndrome
>>735063659i'm brain damaged???
>>735063469>real film grainReal film offers a texture that’s completely different from digital cameras, and its colors are truly unique.But the film grain effect in games is completely pointless—it’s just a damn filter. It serves no purpose other than filling your game screen with meaningless grain.
>>735062991i agree, nothing should be aesthetic, we should strive for perfect realism
>>735063875>aestheticAnon, the reason film directors prefer film is because film has a unique color palette and texture. It’s different from digital cinema. Film grain is essentially just a flaw—it’s not a virtue.Film grain in games doesn’t actually improve the visuals; it just adds more noise and a grainy texture. It’s like a bad filter.
>>735064049>what is color grading
>>735063056hungryfilm grain still looks fucking ugly
>>735062991>luv film grain>luv chromatic aberration>luv 24 fpssimple as
>>735064696Motion blur enabledDepth of field enabledIt's gaming time
>>735062991Not gonna lie i think i really dislike black people now
>Motion Blur >Chromatic Aberration >Film Grain>Bokeh/Depth of FieldThe four horsemen of hacky visual effects.
>>735062991Stylistic choice to invoke horror. See also grungy found footage.Also you're wrong that it's purely a technical flaw, grain also works as a sort of dithering to smooth out banding from low-bitdepth calculations/textures.
>>735062991In the OG Silent Hill 2, that pioneered the effect, it was used to add grit and mask the waxy CG-ness of the visuals. It worked really well.
>>735062991Adds texture to the visualsSame reason you'll see art with a grain filter
>>735062991Visuals should be made with 4:3 monitors in mind, it's the superior artistic constraint. 16:9 is excessive and needles, artists spend too much time feeling up the space with useless crap, instead of being concise and mindful.
It has its uses.. sometimes.That 6 hours demo of Order 1886 game was great. Still waiting for the whole game to come out till this day tho.
>>735062991people who ask questions like this have absolutely no clue what they're talking about. Paintings, books, films, games, music - all have used prior technical limitations as stylistic choices far in the future of when those technical limitations were no longer required to be abided by. It's like asking why francisco goya chose to paint on the walls of his home instead of on a proper easel and canvas.
>>735066141Is there any point in making your game graphics look like crap?A lot of games aren’t even retro-style; the film grain just makes them look terrible.I still remember how *Just Cause 2* forced the film grain effect to be enabled.It wasn’t a retro game at all, and the film grain itself didn’t add anything to the game.It just made everything look terrible.You could only turn off the film grain by using a mod.https://videogamemods.com/vgm/justcause2/mods/no-more-filmgrain
>>735067157How did you read what I said but not understand any of it?
>>735067328Make your video games mimic the technical flaws of old movies.Make your own work look like crap.It’s not even a retro game, and it doesn’t help the game itself in any way.Haheheha, art! You don’t understand art!I like retro games, but being gay isn’t a game.
>>735062991Film grain is good for hiding all the flaws of consumer level ray tracing. You can either cover up the noise with a grain filter or you can blur it and get the weird plastic look like in Cyber Punk.
>>735068078>You can either cover up the noise with a grain filter or you can blur it and get the weird plastic look like in Cyber Punk.I just realized that the noise in ray tracing looks a lot like film grain.To eliminate this noise, NVIDIA specifically upgraded DLSS solely for the purpose of noise reduction.https://youtu.be/SlRpJ553RzE?si=8nwiAhTyMRFyfVPn
>>735068241That dev really can't help themselves, can they? Reminds me of the extreme ambient occlusion they used in Black Desert.
>>735068297Come to think of it, noise is actually worse than film grain.That’s because film grain is usually white, whereas noise is colorful.
OP literall>i don't want soul
>>7350682416:00this fag is trying so hard with his american accent
>>735068798Film grain is the opposite of soul, just like volumetric fog.
>>735062991Same reason why retards like megane characters. They are simply retarded.
>>735068871>It’s just a technical flaw from film photographyany movie shot on not-digital would like to have a word with youonly reason digital is used is for storage purposes and easier shot set-up other than that it looks like janki watched quite a bit of re9 footage but never saw any graincan i see example
>>735062991I unironically love film grain. In movies and in games that have it. It’s kino as fuck. Always turn it on.
>>735069352RE9’s grain is very minimal. YT video compression kills it instantly.
>>735063367Very much this. If "realistic" graphics looked 100% realistic that would be great but it does not, and film grain helps keeping the uncanny valley away smoothing it out a bit. Helps in reducing how much like plastic, overly smooth etc. things look. In the REngine it certainly helps, in my opinion.I do, however, agree that the option to turn it off should be there. Especially if it's poorly made film grain.
>>735062991film grain is a desirable technical flaw. much like guitar distortion, which is in a strictly technical sense signal destruction. we have simply accepted it as esthetically pleasing. i'm a professional video colorist and i get the explicit request to add film grain on pretty much 80% of all projects i work on.
>i'm making up issues for /v/ on /v/>>735069693>compression kills it instantlywouldn't compression exacerbate the issue? explain thisi think it's the bigger mental disorder and the more pressing issue
>>735063454a lot of animation benefited, analog noise really helped ground simple color shapes and backgrounds you had outside of disney tier shadowing and matte paintings.
>>735069860>i get the explicit request to add film grain on pretty much 80% of all projects i work on.Shooting with a digital camera instead of a film camera.No film grain, but also none of the unique color texture of film.Paying someone to add a film grain effect to your footage to pretend you shot a film.gay
>lets recreate an effect hollywood spent decades trying to remove from films because it was an undesirable defect of the medium>why?>errrr, WE JUST NEED IT OKAY!?The magic part is film grain hasn't been in the majority of actual films for 20 years with the move to digital cameras.
