I don’t see why people here think the male gaze is so important to have in kids games. You don’t need it to sell a story and it just feels immature to include it altogether.
>>735063463Youre gay tho, who cares what you think about straight matters. Go make gay games instead of complaining about how straight games appeal to straight people
>>735063463Counterpoint: boobs are awesome, dude.
>>735063463I was 7 years old when I started to appreciate boobs. Fuck you for taking that away from my son. I'm glad I have access to all the emulators and can let my son choose his path. BTW, he chose the male gaze games.
>>735063463When I was a kid I wanted to be that little weasel.
>>735063463I thought it was just a silly joke back then
>>735063463SO TRUE XISTER!!!
>>735063463instead of changing him back, they gave him an ottsel pussy to fuckWas she even consent?
>>735063656Because this is the modern era, and because he's gay, his opinion matters more than yours. That's why Capcom can spend a lot of time and money making sure Leon Kennedy still looks like a handsome man, but Ada Wong has to be covered up like a muslim woman in fear of being beaten by her brother husband for going outside dressed like a whore because she showed her face in public.
>>735063463because 'male gaze' is just nonsense made up by antihumanist genderfreaks
>>735063463Is this a product? Yes? Then it seeks to please and convince a customer to buy it with their earned capital. Most customers for this product's target market are straight males. Straight males like sexy women. Sexy women help, not sell by themselves, but HELP entice that demographic to buy the game. Thus, it should be included if the seller wants me to consider purchasing their product. You don't buy these things, you only use them as a vehicle to preach your religion. You even have financers pay these companies to offset the lack of sales. You are an unnatural abortion of corporate greed that defiles the natural market and skews sales data. You should kill yourself.
>>735063463>kids game>seems immatureshould i find you a dictionary
>>735063463No one except women and pretend women unironically use the term "male gaze" in a negative context. All that to say, your opinion means nothing, go back to Xitter.
>>735063463Without the male gaze how do you market towards a majority male demographic?
>>735063463Not a problem in project Nortubel
>>735064826And tumblrinas jealous of fictional characters while actual women are being abused in the middle east
>>735063463I played through the Jak games when I was like 6 or 7 and don't remember finding the characters sexy
We have to pretend everyone is an asexual picture of innocence until their 18th birthday. Some will call it 'heteronormative grooming' to in any way hint at them liking the opposite sex. Maybe, just maybe, if we can strictly enforce a world where this doesn't happen, men will stop thinking boobs are awesome.
The problem with this "let boys be boys" sort of thing is that you're basically pushing the idea women should go scot-free for what men get in a lot of trouble for under the same conditions, just flipping the genders around.
>>735066982The opposite is true. Porn, lewds and sexual degeneracy has never at any point in history been more accessible. At any given moment some 10 year old zoomer can go online and google porn of a Fortnite character in some interracial gangbang with Coach from L4D and a futa Sombra from Overwatch. Then look up more porn related to any other franchise for free. Theres no filter or detriments to this.
>>735069080Obviously the solution to this is scrutinize male sexuality in general under a radical feminist lens.
>>735066982> Maybe, just maybe, if we can strictly enforce a world where this doesn't happen, men will stop thinking boobs are awesome.Yes. But that's mostly because we, as a species, aren't mature enough to actually have a serious discourse about sexuality and youth.
>>735063892Daxter is just goofy. I don't like how they try to do silliness now.
>>735072726>Obviously the solution to this is scrutinize male sexuality in general under a radical feminist lens.Yes, but that's because no better alternative exists.
>>735063463Here's the reason why J&D will never get a remake/remaster
>>735066502I didKeira in 1 was peak, but the other girls were fine as well
>>735063463Because games were better then. Back when they catered to their actual audience. Also teens love boobs and you sound like a fag.
>>735073235Men are no longer the majority audience for games.
>>735073094They did get a remaster on ps3
>>735073340They are. But the fags running the industry keep trying to force it not to be.
Imagine
>>735073373They aren't. At best you could argue they are if you include gay men and trannies. But neither one of those groups want sex appeal.Ignoring over 50% of your audience is suicide.
>>735063463>to have in kids games>it just feels immature to include it altogether
>>735073584Women do not play video games they play phone games. Always ignore women they ruin everything, just look at the state of video games.
>>735063463being attracted to women is normal and healthy for boys and shouldn't be a taboo subject
>>735073797>Always ignore women they ruin everything,Two world wars. 100% caused by men
>>735073810>boys are attracted to womenIs good.>Women being attracted to boysBad.Fucked up world.
>>735072915Good luck faggot. You're at war with biology itself. Here's a Navajo bitch with big tits, I went to Terrydactyl Land to use Mumbo's magic to make her a giantess and used first person view to gaze at her mammoth breasts. No one had to teach my 8 year old self to do that.
>>735074198Based
>>735073972Oh, you’re just acting retarded for laughs. Carry on, then.
Used to jerk off to her as a bright eyed 12 year old.
>>735063463relatable moment because you're bound to have looked at nice cleavage by then.
>>735063463Why are you gay?
>>735072915What do you wish to accomplish?
>>735073340They are but that is irrelevant, chicks like baddies too
>>735066251You don't. Doing so is career suicide. HR and/or investors would tear your company a new asshole and you'd be flooded with harassment, death threats and people doxing you on social media. Your name would be alongside Nestle but unlike what Nestle sells nobody needs games so a loud online boycott would ruin you. That's why no one caters to male gamers anymore.
>>735076056Spent a lot of time inspecting the models during the credits sequence.
>>735073972And women started bitching and crying about "muh son" so we had to end those great wars.
>>735063710This nigga killed so many of his wives he got reincarnated as the totally whipped bitch that is Patrick Boivin.
>>735063463Teenage boys love boobs, there is nothing wrong with that. It will help sell more games.
>>735073165Jak is so based and midriffpilled.
>>735063463Shut up.
>>735063463characters being sexually driven to some point makes them more relateable. We all want to be desired and sexually appealing.
>>735063463This is the character's gaze. It is done to depict his character.
>>735063463>NOOO YOU CAN'T CHARACTERIZE A CHARACTER AS A PERVERT NOOO HE'S LITERALLY THE AUDIENCEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!Also>Game for kids>This is immature and shouldn't be included!!!If it's so immature then isn't it for kids?
>>735063463I think It's cute, desu.
>>735073972I bet those men would have been less aggressive if they'd been fucked better.
>>735063463Your thread is shit and I want to make out with Daxter.
>>735073489The Porn?
>>735063463Men like looking at women. Pretending they don't, either within a game's canon, or the reality of the players wanting nice things like boobs to look at is willful ignorance. Just like pretending it's the most horrific thing is willful ignorance to gain power over a sex's media.Stop hating men. Stop it. We like boobs. And maybe that's OK. You fucking busybody.
>>735088838Lupin any good? I saw a trailer for one that was on one of the discs of my Black Lagoon box set. Art looked really neat, but I know nothing about the series.
>>735089587Some of it is fucking classic. Some of the movies are kinda bad, though. It varies but leans towards enjoyable most times.
>a kid’s game can’t be immature wokecels aren’t sending their best…
>>735086381>gifIs this from the PSP game?
>>735073165>low rise hiphugger jeansi miss 2000s fashion bros
>>735073340Thats why gaming is now shit.
>>735073584How is it your audience if you specifically make something that only appeals to one group?
>>735073340Only because of skewed polls that lump Candy Crush wine moms with Xbox Live dudebros. Serious players who want immersive fiction will always be primarily male. That hasn't changed, even if exceptions exist. If you market a medieval fantasy or a science fiction thriller to teenaged girls, you're probably going to fall on your face.And you can't just "add girls" to an existing fanbase. Old fans are not going to come anywhere you lead them.
>>735069080>Theres no filter or detriments to this.The big porn sites now have those "verify your identity" things for a lot of places (Texas, UK, etc.) which is theoretically to tamp down on that type of thing. But in reality, it just means you have to spend like thirty extra seconds to scroll down for a site that doesn't do that.It's still ultimately the parents' job to prevent access to that stuff if they care, which isn't actually that hard to do.
>>735094412>which isn't actually that hard to doI think locking down a child's smartphone is beyond most parents, and denying an adolescent a smartphone is kinda untenable.
>>735094012>Only because of skewed polls that lump Candy Crush wine moms with Xbox Live dudebros.I really hope you aren't implying either one is "Better". The typical Fifa/Cod/GTA audience is as much of a outside cancer as the worst phone game audience.>Serious players who want immersive fiction will always be primarily male.Immersive fiction is now overwelmingly dominated by women in literature, tv, movies, etc. Only anime is still male dominated, and that's mostly because the sheer amount of unreadable Isekai trash that gets made. >And you can't just "add girls" to an existing fanbase.Most established franchises trying to aim at women had female fans for a long time. Star Trek, Doctor Who, Star Wars, Bioware games, World of Warcraft, the list goes on. The only real example of a genuine attempt at a shift is probably marvel movies, and that largely started because they were taken aback by how much women were into those movies as well.
>>735088838I don't hate women, I hate men and want them to actively suffer.
>>735094719Everything about this is wrong and retarded. Jesus dude. I'm not even gonna engage with whoever would post that shit.
>>735094892>I'm not going to respond>But I am going to respondGenuine female behavior.
>>735094719you're fucking retarded. this discussion is clearly about mainline gaming, not bubble popping. you're intentionally conflating the two audiences and the two gaming spheres. women playing pool on iMessage have nothing to do with the videogame industry you faggot.
>>735094719>>735094892You ever have a conversation with someone in person and it's clear from their response that they aren't actually listening to what you're saying but instead just assume what you would be saying and respond to that? That's what this faggot did.>>735094967"Engage" and "respond" are different words. Kill yourself.
>>735095046>this discussion is clearly about mainline gamingDefine "mainline gaming" because AAA games are not just Xbox Live (which was a relevant concept about a decade ago) dudebros and haven't been for a VERY long time. No, women don't play CoD. They also don't play Fifa, and most other sport games. Once you remove that trash however and you look at everything else that qualifies as AAA. Most of it was popular with women, is popular with women, and will continue to be popular with women. That includes Naughty Dog games, that includes Assassins creed, that probably includes GTA (I'll freely admit I don't know since Rockstar is a trash developer anyway), and it certainly includes any franchise you think got ruined by focusing on female characters. >>735095063>and it's clear from their response that they aren't actually listening to what you're saying but instead just assume what you would be saying and respond to that?You could just not sound like a raging dumbass who is mentally behind the rest of the world by about a decade.>Are different wordsEngaging with something without responding to it is exactly the kind of peak female behavior I am describing.
>>735094719>I really hope you aren't implying either one is "Better".It wasn't a value assessment. But an audience assessment. If you can strike it rich making Candy Crush, who am I to judge? You found an audience and you made your money. But like I said, you can't just add women ON TOP of all your existing fans. You will probably alienate the old ones who see that you're not marketing to them anymore.>Immersive fiction is now overwelmingly dominated by women in literature, tv, movies, etc.Shows are being handed over to women because of their only X chromosomes. But also, people are rejecting new media in overwhelming numbers, watching old movies and shows instead. Why might that be? Maybe because meritocracy used to be a thing back then, and it showed in the quality of the output.>Most established franchises trying to aim at women had female fans for a long time.And not a one has improved since the old days.>Star Trek, Doctor Who, Star Wars, Bioware games, World of Warcraft, the list goes on. Good lord, you're making my point for me.
>>735094789Nobody said anything about hating women. It's funny to see you project that your own childish hatred for the other gender is shared by me, though.
>>735063463Tempting me to play some Jak and Daxter today and it's working you son of a bitch.
>>735063656fpbp
>>735096017>But like I said, you can't just add women ON TOP of all your existing fans.When it comes to games like Fifa and Call of Duty I think it's fair to say those people will literally just buy anything. Otherwise, I genuinly have no clue what the fuck you are talking about. Naughty Dog didn't "Start aiming" at women and it sure as fuck didn't pay off poorly for them if you look at after every game made after Jak and Daxter.>people are rejecting new media in overwhelming numbers, watching old movies and shows instead. Compared to what? Movies and shows bomb all the time. New stuff is still insanely profitable, and new stuff gets popular with men all the time. And I say all of that not even being all that fond of a lot of modern culture. I just don't think the issue is women because I'm not ten years old. >Maybe because meritocracy used to be a thing back thenNo? It's because when you watch old movies and shows you are genuinly going to pick out the good stuff and ignore the rest. Meritocracy and profitability are not the same thing, like half of the "Good" movies and shows men watch were massive flops in their day.>And not a one has improved since the old days.Again, you are confusing being good with being profitable. I think the best Star Trek show was ToS but I'm not going to sit here and pretend that TNG wasn't more popular.
>>735094719>Most established franchises trying to aim at women had female fans for a long time.This right here is how I know you're a femanon. You think citing exceptions debunks primary demographics. Yes, I'm sure you have anecdotes about a friend of a friend who watched Star Trek. But you know what? Even they liked the show while a MAN was writing it. That's not a sign you can or should hand the reigns over to a woman. Because a female writer, more often than not, is going to try to change things towards her sensibilities. But "having her sensibilities" is not why a single soul watched the old show. Not even the women. So you can't just change the heart of the show and expect you've gained a new audience at no cost whatsoever.
>>735096727>This right here is how I know you're a femanon.I would send you my dick right now if I wasn't afraid of getting banned. >You think citing exceptions debunks primary demographics.Literally none of the things I mentioned were primarily aimed at straight white men. Same for any other examples you can think of. >Yes, I'm sure you have anecdotes about a friend of a friend who watched Star Trek.Star Trek having a massive female audience has been a joke for over half a century. >Even they liked the show while a MAN was writing it. Look up how many Next Generation writers were women before saying stupid shit like that. Same applies for virtually any example you can think of. >Because a female writer, more often than not, is going to try to change things towards her sensibilitiesAll writers are going to change things towards their sensibilities. Most of the shows and movies I watched had highly divergent sensibilities depending on which episode, movie, or game it was.
>>735097176*I watched and mentioned
>>735089730Any recs?
>>735096653>When it comes to games like Fifa and Call of Duty I think it's fair to say those people will literally just buy anything. That's a generalization. There are brainless mass consumers, but I'm willing to bet Activision saw a falloff when they started injecting Nikki Fucking Minaj into their games. And I don't believe they have all the fans they used to anymore with their wacky bullshit than in their prime. In fact, steam charts seem to support me on this, since Black Ops 2 had about 10 times the concurrent players of BO7> Naughty Dog didn't "Start aiming" at women and it sure as fuck didn't pay off poorly for them if you look at after every game made after Jak and Daxter.The Last of Us did strangely well, despite literally everyone hating what 2 did to the series. But yes, they definitely did think they were netting a female audience with their "stronk female lead" bullshit. So pardon me if I think DrucktheCuckman Neil might disagree with you there.>Compared to what? Movies and shows bomb all the time. New stuff is still insanely profitable,Is that why there's a heavy bias towards reviving dead shows and movie franchises? "New stuff doing so damn well?" LOL>No? It's because when you watch old movies and shows you are genuinly going to pick out the good stuff and ignore the rest.There's some truth to that, but you aren't debunking that Hollywood used to promote talent and not "marginalized" people. I don't think you can make a reasonable argument that meritocracy suffers when you try to "level the playing field" of race and gender. Sorry, you can't. Someone is missing opportunities all the time. And now it's the talented.>Meritocracy and profitability are not the same thingThey're linked at the hip, anon. And even if some good shit fell through the cracks. Again, you are trying to prove rules wrong because exceptions exist. This is not how statistics work.
>>735063656Incredibly based. If you don't get it, you don't get it.Besides, the opposite argument works just as well. Gay shit in games doesn't make sense and adds nothing.
>>735097176>Literally none of the things I mentioned were primarily aimed at straight white men.>Star Trek, Doctor Who, Star Wars, Bioware games, World of Warcraft>None of these things were aimed at straight white menYou are fucking delusional.
>>735097535Castle of Cagliostro is phenomenal. You don't even have to be a Lupin fan because you'll pick up on who these characters are at their core through the movie's progression.
>>735063463>male gazeYou mean the thing that you interpret into nearly everything because of your mental illness?
>>735073165For me it's jak 2 Keira and Jake 3 other two:3. Also need to play X and finish daxter
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>>735063656Thread should have ended here.
We need to return to this tone, I think Shantae is the only contemporary series that hits it.
>>735098225People mention the artist other works yet leave out one of his best Imo.. '-'
>>735097768>There are brainless mass consumers, but I'm willing to bet Activision saw a falloff when they started injecting Nikki Fucking Minaj into their games. They started seeing a falloff long, LONG, before then. It's called entropy.>The Last of Us did strangely well,>StrangelyI don't even like the Last of Us and I find this hilarious. >Is that why there's a heavy bias towards reviving dead shows and movie franchises? It's because the actual executive class is mostly made up of stuffy old white straight men with zero creativity in their body. >but you aren't debunking that Hollywood used to promote talent and not "marginalized" people.Well, for me to debunk something you have to prove a positive first. You can't just claim something and then expect it to be taken as truth when it's so obviously bullshit. >I don't think you can make a reasonable argument that meritocracy suffers when you try to "level the playing field" of race and gender.I very easily can because it's irrelevant on the actual working of a meritocracy. Which Hollywood never was and never will be. If you lower the playing field, the better person still wins. >They're linked at the hip, anon.Then why do you keep confusing quality with profitability? >And even if some good shit fell through the cracks.Like I said: Most of the so called "good" movies people are now watching were bombs.
>>735063463If it feels immature then that means that it is literally for kids.
>>735098110Doctor Who was originally a educational show for children. It was never written with the assumption mostly boys would be watching.Star Trek aired almost exclusively in time period when it was not expected for just one gender to be watching. Star Wars was insanely popular with both genres. That's why it was a blockbuster.Bioware games have always been made with a large female audience in mind going all the way back to Baldur Gate 1.World of Warcraft is the closest to a actual property aimed mostly at straight white male men and even then Wow itself started off actively changing the lore to ensure a female audience would find it more appealing. Which they did.
>>735076056>>735086174So, who did jak end up with in the end? The warior woman or the mechanic tomboy from the first game?
>>735096017>Maybe because meritocracy used to be a thing back theni agree with most of the rest but holy shit don't tell me you believe this. the only difference is that there are far more hands in the dough now and we're in a dire recession.back then you had a better chance nepobabies with talent could be free to do something good and working for the industry allowed you a decent living.now you could work 3 jobs and never be able to afford a house, so nobody wants to work hard and the talented ones either go indie or get crushed by the insane machine."competency crisis" is the jews way of saying "people with talent don't wanna work for us anymore".
>>735098504>Then why do you keep confusing quality with profitability?When quality is high, fans will find it. Quality can nosedive, and fans will sometimes not notice until it's too late. See: The Last of Us 2. But you know what's best for sustainability? Sustaining quality. It's better than pulling one over on fans once and then losing your fanbase forever.I don't really see the value in interacting with you anymore. You keep insisting exceptions prove the old way of doing things had no value. Keep watching media fail with your Concords and Highguards. Your Starfleet Academies written for teenage females instead of aging male nerds. I don't care if you never learn. You and your ilk will provide a different kind of entertainment for me. Endless TORtanics to point at and laugh.
And I don't see why it bothers you, anyway check out that mirror, way too advanced for modern AAA.
>>735099014If you think inexperienced and indifferent people aren't being given creative control over passionate artists due to rising nepotism, you are a fool.
>>735099050>When quality is high, fans will find it.But that doesn't translate into profitability. > But you know what's best for sustainability? Cutting costs and reusing assets. >I don't really see the value in interacting with you anymoreI never saw value in interacting with you outside of entertaining myself with your floundering and desperate attempts to justify your stupid conclusions. >Keep watching media fail with your Concords and Highguards.Which are woke because... uh... Guardians of the Galaxy was woke?>You keep insisting exceptions prove the old way of doing things had no valueI'm pointing out you neither understand the old way of doing things or comprehend the new things are done. Mostly because they are the same and you cannot accept this. >Your Starfleet Academies written for teenage females instead of aging male nerdsAs opposed to? Picard? Oh, Enterprise perhaps. That clearly did so well. >I don't care if you never learn.Same, but I do care about making sure the vast majority of old white men in the executive level are cleaned out and replaced by women and minorities. And not just because most of them are friends with actual pedophiles.
>>735099313>due to rising nepotism>RisingThis is why nobody can take you seriously.
if we cant have attractive women then we should make all of the males fat slobs like louie anderson or marlon brando with their gut hanging out from beneath their shirt and small, beady piggish eyes
>>735099914Or how about you are grateful you didn't get shot in some fucking war like most dysgenic subhumans in the past would have been and spend your life in quite contemplation instead f thinking you are in any permission to make demands.
