so why hasn't anyone else made a game this good?
its not really that good, so it could only be that somebody didnt bother to make a game not that good in the specific way a retard might think is good
>>735065058it really is that good, like actually on all fronts. its really rare for a game to be so well rounded
>>735065024It wasnt that good. It just seemed that way cause it banked on your love for Disney and 90s FF games and it was made by a competent team.
>>735065058You just said bunch of nothing; What's wrong about the game? Literally only thing I would say is the camera and they fixed in KH2.
>>735065058>>735065087>It's not that good, you're just nostalgicExcept I played it in full on my steam deck last year and it held up completely.
>>735065087>It's not that good>It just had good themes>And it was made by a good teamSo... It's good?
>>735065087no no no you can play that card on some one else, but im literally playing it right now and I did not grow up playing it
>>735065024This game is a groomer. The way it lures children in with Disney fluff then immediately hits them over the head with entry level philosophy is manipulative and creepy.And fuck Ursula you fucking bitch I will NOT turn down the difficulty for one fight.
>>735065104For starters the beginning is terrible. Buncha cutscenes, all a dream, then you spend way too long on Destiny Island just doing lame shit. More cutscenes and youre finally in your first world but its just Traverse Town which is nothing really, more cutscenes and FINALLY the first Disney world and its a terrible Alice In Wonderland themed escape room, literally. Its just box rooms with some trees mashed up inside. A bunch of nonsense environment puzzles later and you FINALLY FINALLY get to the first Disney world that seems fun Tarzan. Thats a good 10 hours in. But yeah go off how its literally the most perfect game ever.
>>735065181You can still be nostalgic for Disney and FF
I started KH III after not touching the franchise for more than a decade, is it normal that I feel like it's kinda boring? I'm on the hardest difficulty but the combat seems a bit easy, I can just mash attack and float from enemy to enemy most fights. The ones that force me to use magic are way more engaging.
>>735065297im not nostalgic for any ff in this game for me it would be III(ds) and X-2 and the only disney movie im really nostalgic for in kh1 is Aladdin
>>735065271>Implies for something to be good = it has to be perfect.Whoa anon, way to work on your hyperbole you schizophrenic.
>>735065321just drop the game and move on, if you have to ask this for any game its not good
>>735065271The Wonderland stage really is egregious. When I replayed the game after long time I saw that it was literally interior rooms with painted walls that looked nothing like a forest and I began wondering if the whole game was like that. But no, Tarzan looks like a proper jungle. It's like Wonderland was the first world they built as a prototype and never did a second pass over it. It makes a terrible first impression but at least the boss was fun.
>>735065321They were always easy anon; Only the secret bosses were generally difficult in Kingdom Hearts games.
>>735065024execs. Why invent your own style of game instead making another clone of popular game
>>735065271As someone who's played through it like 4 times I do agree the set up is very long. But the Deatiny Island/Traverse Town cutscenes are important in setting up character dynamics, relationships, and introduction to all the factions, as well asgameplay mechanics. But you can actually skip most of the deatiny island mini game and exploration segments id you want to. Once you get into the core of the game, it really is a jewel, especially for it's time (2002!!!). Nothing else scratches quite the same itch KH1 does. The Gummi Ship builder and gummi ship levels alone could have been their own game. You can feel the love and passion the devs had for the whole series. I think KH2 has better gameplay mechanics but it doesn't have as strong of a story.
Darkness within darkness
>>735065391I felt this way about Wonderland as well, but as you pointed out the good news is no other level is like that.
>>735065391It just makes sense in terms of storytelling anon. Wonderland isn't supposed to make sense. Its more like a never-ending maze that traps you in type of place in most places.
only good for its music. greatest videogame ost of all time, and i hate the games
>>735065910no the game play is fun and the story is entertaining its just a good game all around
>>735065391I assumed it was a deliberate decision because wonderland is weird or what ever
>>735065450You're wrong!I knowWithout a doubtKingdom /v/ cannot discuss videogames!
>>735068010this actually has been on my mind for quite a while, and I still can't think of good punchline
>>735068915heh. we'll get there eventually
>>735065024>shitty and shallow action masher>but you played it as kid/teenThey literally never stop making these.
>>735069003>>shitty and shallow action masher
I love the wonderland world.
>>735069027You heard me, woman. Now go get a baby in your belly. Your eggs are drying up quick.
>>735069062I'm flattered but I'm a guy (male, XY Chromosomes, penis, testicles)
>>735069003Name 5 games that have everything kingdom hearts has
>>735065024Its goodness is mainly in that feeling of a young innocent kid going up on a big adventure and discovering a great big universe of magic and wonder, getting wrapped up in some plot and saving the day. That kind of first adventure feeling can't be replicated in a sequel because he's don't it all before.
>>735069294Kh2 is amazing too even better imo so clearly it can
>>7350693782 is a great game by all means but it doesn't have that first adventure charm that 1 has that makes up for its not as stellar gameplay. They can both be good and not be the same. If anything what makes 2 so interesting is how Roxas is the very opposite of that. He didn't want the big wide world and just wanted to play swords with his friends and instead was pushed into the greater world by force.
>>735068915"Is white!!" For all the times people call each other brown on here it feels fitting.
>>735069282sure, once you list everything that kingdom hearts has, thanks.
>>735069662Pretty much perfect game feel, it feels good to run around jump and attack, environments to explore, doesn't need to be that deep i just want interesting looking locations, good music, entertaining story, new abilities as you play
>>735069981Can you make a bullet point style list for me to read?Thanks. Just helps my autism while I do this for you.
>>735069294Idk. This is why I like Dream Drop Distance. I'm probably alone in this, but DDD felt really nostalgic and like a continuation of KH1 to me.
>>735070059Good>game feel>story >combat>world/environments>music>abilities to unlock as you play
More like kingdom sharts haha
>>735065024i always wanted to play this but i just had to refund the steam version of 1 and 2 because 1 ran fucking terrible
>>735070972Runs fine on my eck
>>735065024KH2 is the greatest ARPG ever made
>>735071137
>>735065024They haven't perfected the serum that turns you back into a carefree teenager on summer vacation yet
>>735069294>he's don't it all before
>>735071198Im 27
>>735071161how can he tell truth when he wong D:
>>735071273Two wongs make a right or something
>>735071358I shouldn't be laughing at this
Bump
>>735065391Wonderland is the first world because it was the most popular Disney film in Japan at the time and they wanted to onboard players quickly.The reason it has rooms with painted walls is to add to the creepiness/weirdness.
>>735065024I'm making one. It might not be as good in the end but I'm giving it my damned best shot.
>>735074250Can't you go to coliseum first too? Or is that a final mix thing>>735075142Good luck
>>735075235You can in vanilla too, however most people who are playing for the first time will do the initial visit to Olympus second, because on the world map the battle level for Wonderland is lower. It is the de facto first Disney world.
>>735075142unsolicited advice from this neet, focus on the art and levels because most arpgs have decent gameplay but shit style and level design
>>735065024even Square can't haven't made a game that good again, so if the literal creators can't do it why would you expect others to be able to. It was a fluke.
>>735065297nobody playing KH for the first time today is nostalgic for Disney. You had to grow up in the 80s/90s to develop nostalgia for disney. If you missed the golden age you'll at best have nostalgia for pixar.
>>735075235Thanks anon.>>735075460Oh, I'm well aware. I have great artists working on it.
>>735075541Kh2 exists, and to lesser degree bbs and ddd>>735075460>because most arpgs have decent gameplayName 5 pls im actually lookin for games
>>735075780Depends on what youre looking for and what you consider ARPGsSome people use ARPGs to refer to games like POE and Diablo which are isometric dungeon crawlers instead of third person 3D action roleplayingIn terms of "KHlikes" there are not many for some reason:FF7 Remake (Yes really, it feels like a modern Squaresoft game by a miracle), Rebirth to a lesser extentBatman Arkham (Yes really, they're amazing, the combat has a different focus to KH but and they feel very similar in other ways such as world design and collectible design, play them)Granblue Fantasy Relink (Yes really)Honorable mention to Xenoblade (MMO combat and open zone rather than well designed levels so differnt in that sense, but with a similar focus on hopping between varied locations and a huge amount of unique lore) and Epic Mickey (which is a platformer with light questing / RPG elements but has an amazing vibe similar to KH, even has a bit of a Mickey / Yen Sid origin story which you could slot into KH if you wanted to headcanon a connection)A Hat In Time also although this one is definitely more of a stretch and veers into more of a classic Nintendo homage than anything else
>>735065024>two IP giants with massive popularity in the 90’s combine forces to make a video game>no expense is spared on marketing, music, development>westernized anime styled characters at a time where anime was becoming popular>exclusive to the best selling and most popular console of the era>game is challenging enough that most normies struggle a bit but not hard enough to drive people away>style of game is fun and interesting with an ensemble cast full of fan favorite characters from your childhood >expanded on the final fantasy universe in a unique way that allowed players to see more of their favorite characters>relatively long game with optional challenges and hidden boss fights >game came out at a time when devs and players were willing to take chances and try new things>few competitors or comparable gamesIt was a product of the times, you can’t create something like that now. They capitalized on 20 years of disney and final fantasy popularity when it truly was at its peak. Everything is so intertwined now the idea of a crossover is too watered down, the competition is also a lot steeper these days. I think when KH1 dropped the only thing really even comparable was jak and daxter, onimusha 2, maximo, or drakengard, which were all awesome games but honestly not on the same level. This isn’t to say it’s a perfect game by any means, but it’s a great game that came out at the peak of popularity of the two companies that made it. All that fan service paid off 24 years later.
>>735076471I'm not sure how this would work in practical and legal terms, but now that the Epic Mickey remaster has brought some attention back to the series, I'd love a Wasteland world in KH4.Fighting the clock tower with Shimomura's inevitably kino Small World orchestral remix as Sora would be so fucking cool.
>>735065495>The Gummi Ship builder and gummi ship levels alone could have been their own game.three gummiship minigames and not a single indie using taking the concept to make a complete gummiship game is fucking criminalthere's absolutely a niche for it but I guess codemonkeys and artistfags would rather chase trends than make anything fun
>>735065087>it's not good, it was just made by a competent team
>>735076687>you can’t create something like that now.Yes you can I dont literally need a crossover game i just want a good action rpg with a fun world and story
>>735076471>FF7 RemakePlayed it, I like it>Batman ArkhamIm not usually a fan of realistic looking games but I do like batman so I guess I will check that out at some point >Granblue Fantasy RelinkIs seox in this all I know about granblue comes from the fighting game>Honorable mention to Xenoblade Love xenoblade 2 is actually my favorite game of all time>and Epic MickeyI remember wanting that so bad when it came out but never got it, guess I could just emulate that now>Hat In TimeCan I play as the black girl?
>>735065058Your opinion is not really that good either
>>735065087I don't give a fuck about Disney or Final Fantasy but I genuinely love Kingdom Hearts. Game's just really fun.
>>735065271>More cutscenes and youre finally in your first world but its just Traverse TownStill more comfy than your overrated Twilight Town.
>>735077805Why does sora look so fuckable?
>>735065271There's more cutscenes in 2 tho
>>735065271>you spend way too long on Destiny Islandyou can literally clear the whole opening in like 20 minutes
>>735065024i replayed it not long ago and a lot of you arent going to like this but it plays a lot like souls rollslop except way cuter and with zero input lag
>>735077657>Im not usually a fan of realistic looking games but I do like batman so I guess I will check that out at some pointI'm not even that big of a fan of Batman. And I usually feel the same way regarding how it looks, these games are exceptions because they are stylised, especially Arkham Asylum which has a comic book semi-cel shaded look. The difference with the Arkham games is that they're actually super colorful despite being set in dark areas. The Gotham that appears in Arkham Knight especially is one of the most beautiful cities I've ever seen in a game, the neon gives me major World That Never Was vibes if you want something to tie it back to Kingdom Hearts.Everything in this pic is explorable btw. Secrets and thug battles everywhere. It's awesome.>Is seox in this all I know about granblue comes from the fighting gameNo, I'm afraid not.>Love xenoblade 2 is actually my favorite game of all timeBased. I have a lot of problems with the game, it's still really fun and overhated though.>I remember wanting that so bad when it came out but never got it, guess I could just emulate that nowThe remaster on modern consoles is excellent and has great QoL so I recommend that over the Wii version however unfortunately it's also a bit buggy, so there's that.>Can I play as the black girl?I can't remember.
>>735078195>The remaster on modern consoles is excellent and has great QoL so I recommend that over the Wii versionReally? I thought that version wasn't good>>735078175>and with zero input lagSo a million times better?
>>735065087I hate Disney and emulated KH1 as an adultImmediately in my top 5 games of all time
>>735078175The fact you would even invoke the S*uls comparison makes me feel ill. Maybe it's a little true for KH1 because of dodge, but KH2 doesn't give you dodge until the end of the game and the entire experience is built around block and reflect instead (as it should be).Kingdom Hearts also has slow enough attacks to the point where you can just... walk or jump out of the way. Dodge is irrelevant except for fast attacks.
>>735078175Historians have recently unearthed a genre of proto-soulslop videogames called "action RPGs"
>>735078343>Really? I thought that version wasn't goodIt's buggy but otherwise way better than the original. Everyone likes to pretend the original is better until they experience the original controls, lol. I don't know anyone who has played both who prefers the WIi version. The artstyle is a little less frightening/spooky with the more saturated colors, I'll say that.
>>735078594What's buggy about it? I played the remaster a few months back and didn't notice anything weird
>>735078762A lot of the quests break if you save between sessions without completing them. A major example of a serious bug that was never fixed was a softlock in the manor library with the skulls. This quest has a buggy skull counter which requires you to revert progress or reset your game if you do the skulls in a certain order or save between gameplay sessions, I assume because the variable that counts the skulls is not parsed as a "persistent" variable (to be saved/loaded by the engine).There's other things like the animatronic parts not counting unless you leave the area and return, as the check for if you have all the parts only counts if you transition between maps. Some of the quest resolutions are also bugged in a similar way, most notably for me I had to wholesale leave Main Street to be able to hand in the final quests to Pete.
>>735078913Hold on, I'm retarded and failed basic reading comprehension, I thought you were talking about xenoblade DE for some reason, thank you for the informative post anyway
>>735077364try any of the million and one action rpgs made by companies not called square soft
>>735065024in all aspects coded is simply superior>recaps the events of KH1, KH2, Chain of Memories, 358/2 Days, BBS and DDD so you don't have to play 6 games to catch up (seriously)>lets you choose the ending to disney worlds and lets you roleplay in an rpg for once, your decisions actually have impact>gets rid of the knockoff final fantasy villain blackcoat team except for when its plot relevant>lets you explore COM maps with no card combat>replaces the gummi ship sections with faster first person segments>fixes the spammy nature of BBS and gives exact sora combat feel>masters the crisis core command fusion>0 or no noticeable ansem or xehanort mentions, no dark road, no khx, no unversed, no dream eaters, no shotlock, minimal doodoofart>did I mention combathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzqJ3zdcvCU
>>735080401>>gets rid of the knockoff final fantasy villain blackcoat teamThat is not a good thing
>>735080081>cant name a single one
>>735080401Both of the DS games are fun. They're classic innit. Wish they packaged both of them in the remix versions instead of just cutscenes
>>735081118Ds is easy enough to emulate
>>735081517I know, I know, it's more about the principle.
>>735065024I remember picking this game up as a kid at a KB Toys when those were still a thing. Only picked it up because I saw all the Disney characters on the front and back of the game case and thought it was the coolest shit ever. Glad I did nowadays because that game was my first introduction into RPGs, and I've enjoyed the genre ever since.KH1 is definitely the only good one out of the entire franchise. Great story, great music. Only thing that holds it back in my opinion is the slow af combat.
>>735083580>KH1 is definitely the only good one out of the entire franchiseI find it very hard to believe that someone who enjoys KH1 wouldn't also at least enjoy KH2, especially if their main problem was the slower combat in the first game?
>>735080401I like Re:Coded. The story is fucking awful and the constant minigames get grating fast. Chain of Memories sure isn't fun, but at least a boss fight is a boss fight and not a sudden genre shift.
>>735084108Chain of memories is pretty fun, please dont reply if you played re:
>>735084452I've played both
>>735075603Most of the people I know who tried KH for the first time recently did grow up with good Disney and are nostalgic for it though.
The mobile games and KH3 ruined KH franchise permanently.
>>735084723How old are you?
>>735085185Nah the story in the mobile games were pretty good
it was mogged by twewy and neo
>>735065271>What's wrong about the game?>"well the start is bullshit, then the next part is bullshit oh and the later part is bullshit as well"That's great but you skipped over the gameplay and what's wrong with it.
>>735085374Said no one.
>>735065024ps2 peaked here
>>735085836I said it
>>735085836Said no one, he says.
>>735065024I don't think the average KH knows just how bad KH2 is for like 60% of the game. Obviously everyone memes on the beginning but even after that, the game doesn't really feel that much better than KH1 until many many many hours later when you actually start getting some cool and fun skills. Magic unironically feels better and more useful in KH1 until you get some of the bigger upgrades for them in 2. I really didn't enjoy most of my time in KH2 until towards the end. I can understand why people like the combat now but again, people who hype it up never tell you how much of a downgrade it feels until much later into a first playthrough.
>>735086442>downgrade it feels until much later into a first playthrough.The game feels better the second you can move
>>735086442Nah, it feels so much better from the beginning, the problem is that the story is a retread of the first game during the Disney worlds and the levels are boring horizontal fields.
>>735065024If you like KH you're either a gay retard or a woman
>>735065024That's a good question. But you can ask that about a lot of games.KH had a good artist and composer and it's not easy to get that exact experience elsewhere. I have no idea about the battle system though.
>>735087281Also good event direction
>>735086442KH2 is bad for 90% of the game, nothing happens until the last cinematic 10% of the game with the final boss fight. KH1 was an actual good game for its time because it replicated the PS1 disney games like tarzan and hercules, KH2 could have been a good game but it cut out toy story, and that got the unpleasant honor of being in KH3 which had to wrap up every convoluted loose end of the series and completely rewrite characters. KH2 was a stupid game people bought to "finish the fight" and KH3 carries on its garbage.
what is it about kh2 that makes everyone seethe? its always been the beloved one so why the sudden paradigm shift?
>>735087603>KH2 is bad for 90% of the game, nothing happens until the last cinematic 10%Bro you literally did not play the game shut up
Is the thread getting auto saged?
>>735089434Dont think so, just sporadic bumps
>>735087772Inadequacy, nostalgia, bad memory. Call me crazy but I think all kh games are pretty good
I’m playing through proud mode for the first time in my life and Leon and Yufie are cock blocking me rn for the Pegasus cup. I wonder if I fucked up by choosing the shield. People tend to say magic is OP. Can’t remember what I gave up though.
>>735087772The flat hallway levels definitely pissed people off right away, among other things. The recent backlash comes from KH2 fanboys who played KH3 and can't concieve of things like an air dodge or weapon switching, so they hated it like they do every action game.
>>735087772>be a /v/edditor>see a game people like>shit on it just to get attentionThat's pretty much it.
>Stop+Gravity combo>gain MP on attackKH1 Sora is the perfect battlemage in an action game I've seen
>>735090391No I love keyblade transformations, kh3 like lacking gravity is a bigger issue for me
>>735090273Shield is good just keep trying
>>735090273You might be underleveled for the cup so feel free to go back there at a later time. I remember I left a bunch of the challenges there for later just so they wouldn't be too hard.
>>735087772I don't hate it but KH1 is just the better game. KH2 is just way more anime and way less weighty and fun. Both are good though. Better than KH3 at least.
KH1 is just a slightly above average game from its era. The vast majority of cartoon-y PS2 era adventure platformers (Jak, Ratchet and Clank, Sphinx and the Cursed Mummy, etc...) were as good.You're just not used to video games being actual video games which is why it looks so good by comparison to the schlock we have now.
>>735090841I will. First time I’ve grinded for money and actually used the potions and ethers I’ve always saved up. >>735091021I’m level 31, which I feel is a good level for the cup? Then again I have no actual idea.
>>735091210>Sphinx and the Cursed Mummy,
>>735065024KH2 is better.
>>735091473Its funny that fans seem so divided, I kinda just think of 1 and 2 together they're both peak gaming to me
>>735091675They're different enough that a person will naturally prefer one or the other. It's easy to tell which they like if they think a dodge roll should be given out early or should be an exclusive new disc upgrade only attained through optional grinding of a specific form.
>>735092110I like 2 more but I dont think 1 is shit or anything
>>735092110I replayed them back-to-back a few years ago. You have to go out of your way to reprogram your brain to go from rolling to guarding, but it's way more satisfying getting a good guard in KH2 than a good roll in KH1.
>>735092364I like Counterguard a lot, too. The problem is KH2 has plenty of attacks that can't be guarded.
>>735091675The division is clear.KH1 is more of a straight forward game. Progression, story, combat. It also primarily tackles classical disney/grimm stories with nightmare before christmas being the only "modern" one at that time. KH2 is bogged down heavily by nonsensical retarded bullshit story stuff that gets in the way of gameplay and progression. It has a lot more "modern" disney worlds (which were probably forced onto the devs tbf). It's only saving grace is having better combat which lets you do some really cool and flashy shit with the boss fights being much more grand and exciting. I'll say KH2 does have stronger original aesthetics but KH1 has more "whimsy" to it which creates a more unique atmosphere
>>735065024I'm emulating this and it's genuinely one of the worst designed games I ever played.The combat sucksThe level design is cancerous
>>735093678What aren't you liking about the levels and combat specifically, anon? I think it's a swell time.
>>735089023>bro it was actually goodit was so bad that people went on to praise KHBBS because it wasn't KH2 and that game already has multiple issues to begin with>like whatthe english va obviously stunting their speech to fit japanese dub mouth movement which they make into en dub with final mix anyway, who the fuck approved this shitthe constant super armor break out of your combo at any time bosses which they relented in KH3 and added back revenge values very half assed and begrudginglythe whole unnecessary retcon into keyblade war and three heroes because they needed to expand the stupid lore to milk the franchise that KH3 had to clean upand even with all that shit, people still said it was better than KH2. evidently KH2 was that shit.
>>735094834
>>735091473>>735091675KH1 and KH2 seem to have different design philosophies when I go back to them. KH1 feels like it's designed like a 3D Zelda with a mix of exploration, combat, and some light puzzle solving. KH2 on the other hand wants to be a spectacle fighter where only the combat and bosses matter, and the levels only exist in service of being battle arenas. They're both different, I prefer KH1's approach but I see why a lot of people gravitate to 2.
Maybe I was just the right audience at the right time at the right age, but something about KH1 hit just right. The other games failed to recreate this special moment on the first game.
>>735094393>levelsThey are frustrating and confusing sometimes.>combatI hate how Sora keeps jumping around so high, it makes me lose lock-on and fall off locations so easily
>>735093230>. It has a lot more "modern" disney worlds Such as?
>>735065024Because they moved forward and made something better with KH2 Final Mix.
>>735096470Just imagine 1 and 2 are in the op
>>735096434not op but mulan was done so poorly to the point that disney signaled that KH3 should not have sora interfering, chicken little didn't add anything past an assist trophy, and pirates of the carbibean only had one musical theme and a ton of back and forth. neverland in bbs was an actual decent expansion unlike all that crap.
>>735097476>chicken little didn't add anything past an assist trophy,So? Same as summons in 1
>>735097667sooooo the sequel thats supposed to be more than the initial pitch product should have done way better. if you're gonna recognize tron then recognize treasure planet and atlantis you fucks.
>>735098031I thought we didn't want nu Disney? I would love Atlantis though
>>735094834Praise for BBS usually was for it's level design that focused a lot more on jumping around. I don't think anyone believes it had more fun bosses.
it runs well on my dick
>>735065391>Have a Mad Tea Party section>Mad Hatter and March Hare only show up in a painting
>>735097476BBS Neverland was awesome.
>>735100301The heartless gottem...
>>735078175
>>735087772KH2 got circlejerked for a few years so no people are shitting on it a lot and there's more threads about KH1 being better. Ive seen people call KH1 flawless.
>>735102810Joseph Anderson reviewing any game that isn't Dark Souls
>>735103354THE Joseph Anderson?
