https://www.digitalfoundry.net/features/xbox-at-gdc-2026-windows-and-console-converge-for-the-next-generation
>>735073827You are even more retarded than these 4 uggus saying random shit on a podcast.
>>735073827First, DF says a lot of shit. If it is not directly related to their field or they get some insider info they are as wise as the so-called experts who read a lot of rumors.HOWEVERThey are not alone with this assumption. It makes complete sense MS and most thrid parties will drop the Series in a similar manner XBO did not get a bunch of AAA games even the PS4 had. The Series S is a headache for everyone and MS is clearly making a system with a backward compatiblity layer for old shit. But the new software will be PC code. Anyone who keeps around their XO/XS console and spends money on it should accept MS could cut them off any time after the Helix comes out. The PS5 is guaranteed to get ports way after the PS6 will come out, there is no such guarantee (if any) for the Xbox. If the Helix bombs in the traditional sense (few million of sales tops) which is very likely, MS could even sunset the entire dedicated "Xbox" platform.At this point it is just conspiracy but the next Xbox may not even play every PC game, just a select number of them through Steam or Epic which would tank interest even further.
>>735073827Microsoft doesn't matter. It's entirely on the devs going "is there enough of a userbase to be worth the effort" and the answer will be no in most cases.
>>735073827Series X is a great console. I hope it doesn't happen but Microslop are the anti-christ.>>735074375Not just DF. Moore Law is Dead said the exact same thing.
>>735075323>Moore Law is Dead said the exact same thing.Where's your tard handler? How did you turn on the computer?
B e s p o k e
>>735073827These retards are always wrong about everything
>>735073827Depends if Playstation will do it or not.Nintendo is doing their own thing but they basically dropped Switch 1 with practically no cross gen support with their newer games.I think this gen's cross support was unique because of the covid panic of being afraid of slow adoption of the PS5 and Series consoles from last gen users.I doubt we will see that again unless the chip shortage is so dire that next gen supply is very small and they'd be relying on software sales to stay afloat.But either way I wouldn't listen to DF for anything real or concrete besides pixel counting and speculation.
they already said Helix will play Xbox and PC games, I imagine first party studios will just make PC games, but third party is still free to target Xbox.
>>735076480If the PC/Console hybrid thing is real then I might just get that instead of making a new PC build.
>>735076389The next generation will be the same because it will be harder and harder to move the userbase towards new and expensive machines when COD/Fortnite and such will keep getting support on older systems. The PS5/XSX had at least the "4K+60fps+SSD" justification even if it could barely deliver on it. The next ones will try to sell themselves on Raytracing which is not as a big differentiator. GTA6 could be the first real "the PS5/XSX was worth it" game and even if it will be just as big as GTAV it will raise the system requirements tenfold. Which is a big problem for GTA6 Online because it will gimp the adoption of it compared to V which runs on toasters even.As for the Switch 2, Nintendo released more crossgen titles than new ones so far and this doesn't seem to change much in the future. Basically there is MKW/Bananza/Pokopia and the rest is either irrelevant, just an upgrade or crossgen.
They have like 20+ million Game Pass subs right? Realistically, how many of those users are going to upgrade to this W11 dumpster fire? It's going to cost $1k+ and every game is going to be crossplatform anyways. I don't think Microsoft can afford to ditch them.
>>735076993>GTA6 could be the first real "the PS5/XSX was worth it"I actually have doubts that the game will release on the PS5/XSX, and if it does it will look and play pretty badly.
Digital foundry doesn’t know shit.
>>735076480Third party dropped the XO with ease despite it has a much larger install base than the XS now. Microsoft is really really pushing their luck with this drastic change because one of the most likely scenarios is they will lose legacy support and dedicated Helix support at the same time. Publishers won't make games for XS because the small portion of it who still buys games are very likely to move over to the new system and there will not be enough justification to make a dedicated Helix version when it can run Steam games anyway.
>>735077080I'm getting massive Cyberpunk 2077 on PS4 vibes from this situation, I think Rockstar tried to delay as much as possible hoping next gen dropped sooner.
>>735073827>Digital Foundrythese dumbfucks said PS5 Pro was going to be transformative and it ended up being like 20% more resolution and that's it.
>>735073827A lot of cross gen games that came out on PS4 this gen skipped Xbox One so it wouldn't be that surprising.
Helix is just going to be pre-built Windows PCs with a silly logo isn't it?Who even cares about Microsoft as a gaming company anyway? We just use Windows because it's convenient to not have to use Linux, but even that is on the way out since they keep pushing for useless AI features in Windows that nobody wants.
>>735077116>Steam gamesSteam = Windows = XboxI don't think they care because their machine will run it in the end.I wouldn't be surprised if Sony slows down PC support knowing that the next Xbox will play their games in the living room right out of the box.
>>735077080It will come out even if there will be a PS6 version a few years later and Rockstar always released gameplay trailers which were extremely close to the final version. RDR2 still looks insane compared to what the previous gen could push out even on the base Xbox One. I don't know if you play on current gen consoles or how many games you played on them but the difference between the games are bigger than ever. Rockstar is targeting these boxes for ages now, it is very likely even the Series S version will look relatively good.
>>735077340>Helix is just going to be pre-built Windows PCs with a silly logo isn't it?This has been the case since the Xbox One and PS4 switched over to x86 architecture.
>>735077349According to their GDC keynote those won't be equal and even Helix will need some additional optimizations. Microsoft definetly cares or they wouldn't make new hardware and wouldn't try to enforce their Xbox overlay in Windows. They definetly are not satisfied by being just a publisher who pays a cut to Steam.
>>735077467>those won't be equal and even Helix will need some additional optimizations.Steam games are all made to run on Windows is all I'm saying, of course it will need further optimization much like how Valve does it for the Steam Deck. But the hard work is done if the game is already on Steam.
>>735077404I have no idea why this meme is so popular. Consoles are custom hardware with custom software. You can run Windows software on XO/XS in dev mode and it runs like ass because it is not optimized for the system. Just because the hardware has an AMD logo on it and not a Hitachi it is still not off the shelf in the traditional manner.
>>735073827Isn't this a good thing? People have been complaining about cross gen games not fully utilising next gen hardware unlike in previous gens where there was a hard cut off between gens. I don't see the negatives here. Start building games for the next gen hardware instead of limiting their scope because they have to run on 2019 hardware too.
>>735077645This, I want to go back to hard gen transitions. No more endless support for aging hardware that limits development.
>>735074375The next Xbox is basically a Steam machine, but it runs on Windows. A PC that is dedicated to games, but can be used as a PC as well. I think that would be the best path for MS.
>>735078291that's a shit route, consoles are aimed at retards, windows is collapsing and they're not spending $1k+ on a handicapped prebuilt, at that point just get the real deal
>>735073827DF fucking hates Xbox they always did since they were owned by a company that parent company was Sony lol. Muttsoft can die who cares but DF negroes have heavy anti muttbox or now shall i call it jeetbox bias.
>>735077645Cross gen will still happen just for the ps5. The only issue is people that bought a series x/s expecting a real console got fucked by a shorter life span.
>>735073827Steam machine will be 400$Xbox Magnus will be 600$Ps6 will be 450$A year later Xbox will cut the price to 500$.I think all of them will take huge losses.
>>735077080Rockstar confirmef that trailer was recorded on base PS5. It will be good since Rockstars tech team is one of the best but peoples expectations are retarded.
>>735079089Xbox is just going to be a prebuilt pc, so $1600 and zero install base is the expected outcome.
>>735077645Cross gen games are still going to happen, the PS5-PS6 cross gen period will probably be the longest yet. Publishers aren't going to risk making games exclusively for next gen when there's still a massive and active userbase on previous generation hardware. Xbox is just being cut short because of the low install base and meager software sales.
>>735078981DF was called anti Xbox/PS/Switch every time they say something the fanboys don't like. The are nitpicky but at the same time very lenient with the companies because it is in their best interest to not lose access to exclusive access.Even when Xbox has nothing, absolutely nothing going for it they are still saying things like how great console the Series X is.
>>735073827did you mean to say Series S?why would they drop X?
>>735079089where are you gettng those numbers fro,
>>735079531because the helix is a PC and is meant to make devs concentrate on PC for development
>>735079181I know but that's exactly why I think Microsoft will take the big hit just like steam and PlayStation. I think we will see a lot of crazy shit this generation.
>>735077080I can guarantee you that GTA6 will be locked to 30fps on PS5Pro60fps is how they will sell you the PS6
>>735073879>uggos seriously dude, the second nigger has disgusting teeth and I actually gag whenever they focus on him for too long.
why do they keep doing those thumbnails with close-ups of their disgusting faces
>>735079635no it isn't, it plays PC games that's all we know. The clear advantage is that devs can optimize games for that specific set of hardware, if they don't you have a shitty pc which will be enough to run most indie games anyway.that's besides the point though, why would they drop X over S. S is falling behind in performance and makes publishers not want to develop for XBOX platform.
>>735077149the ssd as baseline was transformative, stop being retarded
PS4 is still getting games.But yeah, Xbone got dropped faster by some devs, despite being pretty much PS4 (slower GPU, but faster CPU than PS4), so they might drop Series X and especially Series S support earlier.
>>735079909dropping X implies dropping S
>>735079089Kek none of those will be cheaper than $700
I think the next generation will the hardest fought gen since 7th gen. I think towards the middle of the gen the slop era will be over and many DEI hires will lose their job. Dev teams will be smaller.
PS4/Xbone were supposed to be "PCs" in architectureNow they're saying they're going to make the Helix Xboxes PCs. This is really funny. What exact changes are they going to make that make it more like a PC than architecture? They aren't going to just boot you into Windows 11 and let you play from steam. So what change is it?
>>735082165>They aren't going to just boot you into Windows 11 and let you play from steam.they are lmao that's the point
>>735082382They would lose tons of money doing that, because then they would not have their own storefront they get a cut from. That would make 0 sense.
>>735082678Microsoft is in a situation where they have to protect Windows as PC gaming platform
>>735082739I doubt it given the low Linux adoption rate
>>735077349>Steam = Windows
>>735082821Even Mac is surprising people these days with that latest cheap Mac>but it's only 8GBYep, but the point is it's cheap entry point into Mac
>>735082957Yes, you heard that correctly. Still don't see any Steam OS or Linux exclusive games.
>>735077223Many Japanese devs did this with JRPGs and SHMUPs, even though the Xbone had a bigger playerbase, and Series X/S can play all Xbone games natively. The most egregious example is the FF Pixel Remasters.
>>735083142Why the fuck would anyone make a PC game exclusive to a single operating system?That's like saying there should be MacOS exclusives.Stick to consoles where you belong, I hope Microsoft isn't trying to bring retards like you over to PC because you're the last thing we need.
>>735082678>they would lose tons of moneyMS doesn't care about lost software sales or subsidizing their console anymore, that's why the Helix will be produced in small quantities and sold for profit.
>>735083301>weSweet summer child
>>735083432Why even bother with the design and manufacturing overhead if they do that?
>>735083627Because they already signed the contract and finally admitted that Xbox is dead
>>735083432And literally nobody is going to buy it so they'll still lose money lmao.
>>735083268You can find sales number for Capcom's Ace Attorney collection by platform and the Xbox One release sold like 5000 copies, the audience for Japanese games is just not on Xbox so they're not going to bother with them.
>>735073827>snoydigital faggotryok
>>735073827Is Alex still fagging up their channel or has he died of aids yet?
>>735079089BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>735080705More like 1000 dollars.
>>735079089You won't be able to buy xbox or ps6. You'll lease the systems for a monthly fee. Sony's already testing this in some markets.
>>735088002Citation needed
>>735089226>With Flex, you can lease a PlayStation 5 with no upfront cost on a super-flexible, monthly rolling plan that you can cancel anytime. Choose a 12, 24, or 36-month term to enjoy even lower monthly payments. Upgrade to the latest PS5 console – and cutting-edge accessories like the PS VR2 – with just a few clicks.https://direct.playstation.com/en-gb/leasing
>>735083627100% + 30%> 70% + 0%
>>735073827How will MS make money if everyone buys the games on Steam? That's what I don't understand.
>>735086669But you don't understand. ININ and other niche Japanese publishers HAVE released all sorts of 2D JRPGs, SHMUPs, platformers, etc. on Series X/S, when they could've just been ported to Xbone, and played on Series X/S through backwards compatibility. Games like Pocky and Rocky Remake and Shadow of the Ninja Reborn don't need the horsepower of a Series X.
>everybody so scared to leave behind 8th gen consoles>Call of Duty and sports games STILL getting PS4/Xbone versions in 2025/2026>game sales on PS5 and XSX are still abysmal when talks of their 10th gen successors are on the horizonOn the other hand it's funny how absolutely painless Nintendo handles it.>here's our new console>here are games exclusive to this new consoleTomodachi 3 basically the last notable Switch first party release and I imagine that took enormous restraint on their behalf to not just make it Switch 2 exclusive for the hell of it.Just imagine how easy things would be for Microsoft>2028/2029>hey new COD only on 10th gen consoles>oh yeah by the way have you heard COD is included on the highest tier of Game Pass?But nobody wants to tell Nadella that they didn't bring in one billion dollars in microtransaction money this month that he can piss away on AI slop factories.
>>735079089Steam machine will be closer to $750. Small form factor pc for a niche audience. Xbox Helix will be $1200. Prebuilt PC with Xbox logo.PS6 will target $600 but will probably release at $700 with Sony the only company selling the product at a loss.
>>735090640Switch released in 2017 and lasted until 2025, anon. Nintendo fared better because there was a longer span of time for Switch's support than if PS6 or XboxSeX comes out this year or next.
If it's just going to be a PC how are they going to milk Xbox Live? Or are all of those Game Pass tiers nowadays?
>>735093183It most likely isn't going to be just a PC without the kind of controls consoles have. There's no financial sense in such a decision. Maybe it'll run PC versions of games with a heavy DRM layer but I do not think there is any way Steam will be involved
So Xbox is going to be a launcher competing with Steam like Epic's, EA's and Ubisoft's? Bold move. The next step has to be buying Steam.
