>all of the FRLG and Pokopia discussion is making me want to play Gen 1 again>FRLG is pre-Physical/Special split, so already a lot of Pokemon are worthless>and many can't even evolve until the post-game>could play RBY>but the game is piss easy because NPC Pokemon movesets are terriblePhysical/Special split really spoiled me over. I would still rather play RBY because at least there Gyarados can actually use special moves. Thinking about it, and since I haven't really delved into romhacks, is there a FRLG romhack that just introduces the split? That's all I want.
>>735077363>FRLG is pre-Physical/Special split, so already a lot of Pokemon are worthlessAAAIIIEEE HOW CAN ADULT EVER BEAT A POKEMON GAME LIKE THIS
It's funny to me that the gyaru Bulbasaur meme is bleeding overseas even though they axed it from the English translation and just made tye Bulbasaur generic stupid.
>>735077429Hang all localizers on lampposts.
>>735077363My first thought when seeing this thread was that it was rushia but on closer inspection it's not. Who is this character? Yandex gives me nothing.
>FRLG is pre-Physical/Special split, so already a lot of Pokemon are worthlessDon't worry the games are absolutely piss easy and made for 4 year olds
>>735077363Let’s go eevee is best kanto, just don’t use candies. Also, gengar and Kingler are far from useless just because they can’t use their stab well.
>>735077705It's Bulbasaur personafied as a gyaru school girl.
>>735077363Can't you just play a modded version of whichever game you want to play? Play a vanilla version of any Pokemon game is plain retarded.
>>735077705That's Bulbasaur. In the JP version of Pokopia, Bulbasaur uses gyaru mannerisms when speaking, so japs began drawing her as a gijinka gyaru.
>>735077705It’s just Bulbasaur, artists have been making this anthro fanon design a thing because it talks like a gyaru in the Japanese version of Pokopia
>>735077363Gyarados was still a good pokemon even in Gen 3 so this post is retarded. You post Phys/Special split kiddies don't even know what makes a good mon. Just DD and EQ and Gyarados will destroy the entire game>>735077705It's just Gyraru bulbasaur. You gotta get updated on the latest JP trends grandpa
>>735077363Call me Heracross because I have a biological NEED to suckle those titties until sweet nectar comes out.
>>735077429gyarus and gyaru slang dont exist in english so there's not exactly an alternative. If they used zoomer slang it would have been cringy and bad tooPersonally I still got the impression Bulbasaur was meant to be easy going and kinda dumb which is probably the closest they could do in English without using zoomer slang
>>735077989>there's not exactly an alternativevalley girl speak works perfectly
Yeah, a Polished Crystal equivalent for gen 1 would be nice.
>>735077363the nortubel of pokemon
>>735077989>gyarus and gyaru slang dont exist in englishJust make them act bratty.Really not hard. Instead they went with comically stupid.
>>735077363>>735077841I forgot to mention but you might be interested in something like Fire Red Reignited and Leaf Green Regrown. It does not have the split but it does swap the ghost and dark type around so that it makes more sense. It also adds a lot of QoL features on top of it making it one of the best versions of FRLG to play. Again, it does not have a physical/special split but what it does have is a decent compromise because Pokemon stats have been adjusted to be more usable, as they have taken the fact there's no split into consideration.
>>735077363Bulba-chan my beloved
>>735077989They have been localizing gyarus as valley girls who use trendy slang for decades.
>>735077839>>735077863>>735077871>>735077884Hey, that's pretty nice. So glad JP artists aren't huge fucking faggots like western artists.
>>735078042I heard there's the Pure romhacks of Gen 1, but I feel like they're a case of "too much content" to the point it starts becoming the romhacker's own fanfiction, between modifying Pokemon's stats to even changing moves entirely.
>>735078191Game-chan a CUTE
Uh oh why are her vines like that?
>>735077363Just play romhacks. There's zero reason to play a vanilla Pokemon game. There's tons that just rebalance the gameplay and leave the story 100% the same
>>735078208Gen 1/2 movesets are fucking awful, they absolutely should be changed.Changing stats or types though, yeah that's fanfic shit
>>735078445>just play some shitty fangamegood joke
>>735077989>gyarus and gyaru slang dont exist in english so there's not exactly an alternativeGyaru culture was literally born out of japanese women copying the stereotypical California girl of the 1980's. That's where the whole dolled up aesthetic and aloof attitude comes from originally
Localizers are just lazy.Thats it.
They really went out of their way to make Pokemon games unplayable even with romhacks since the 3DS era, didn't they? Megas, special moves, and the other generational gimmicks they've added since then are such dogshit mechanics as a means to spice up the gameplay that you'll find these shit mechanics in all sort of hacks that they've figuratively poisoned the well. Absolutely disgusting.
>>735078716Any hack that adds shit from gen7+ I just don't play it.At least in Emerald Rogue you can turn all that trash off in settings.Nothing worse than seeing>oh cool romhack>"Featuring over 900 pokemon!">you now realize every route will be at least 60% garbage
>>735079013That's not a big deal but seeing stuff like megas in games, something that only a select few pokemon even have to begin with or fairy typing in a crystal or emerald romhack for some reason. I don't have much experience with the fairy typing but it seems silly to add it to an earlier gen game that doesn't have a majority of the pokemon of that type; it's like adding dark and steel typing to gen 1.
>>735079394Adding fairy type is good. I didn't like fairy type when it first came out but in hindsight, in older gen games, it just gives some pokemon a niche and makes movepools more interesting. Since it mainly overwrites normal type.The main reason why adding fairy type is fine but adding some fanfiction type is bad, is because I know the former, while I'd have to learn the latter and I can't be botheredSame goes for nu-mons from games I never played, or made-up stats or changed types. If I fight a pokemon I should know what type it is already, I ain't reading your 30 page documentation to figure out ledian is dragon type with 200 speed now
Now they just need to balance certain other types.
>>735077827Maybe next time they'll replace every battle with a fucking cell phone minigame just for you.
>>735079537You're right and I do agree, just don't like order gens adding stuff from newer ones. You can do a lot worse than adding fairy type. The different versions of the same Pokemon is something else that I don't like but seems to be commonly added to older gens even though they simply do not fit (Pokemon pure crystal comes to mind).I couldn't even begin to imagine how you'd create a Pokemon game with all the gimmicks in one game. That would be absolute hell.
>>735079013I'd much rather have official Pokemon than fanmade ones. Even if some fanmade ones look better than official ones, I would rather not have fan fiction shit during a battle.
>>735078208Shinpokered is what you're after.
>>735079947>I couldn't even begin to imagine how you'd create a Pokemon game with all the gimmicks in one game. That would be absolute hell.I imagine you'd just lock them off to certain situations or areas of the gameThere's a romhack called Pokemon Elysium that's based on FRLG but has megas, but megas are only unlocked near the very end of the game and function like a permanent fourth evolution, but you need a special evo stone for them which is limited in numberSo for 90% of the game there's no megasOr like in Pokemon XD where they have some meme dark lugia form but you only fight it as a special boss. Same with Pokemon Mystery Dungeon and Primal Dialga.That's the real issue with throwing in all the gimmicks, when they appear too much they're no longer special. on the other hand if you fight a special boss and suddenly get smacked with>it's fucking mega evolving bro it's going super saiyan it's unlocking its chakrasthen that's pretty based
I've played PokeMMO a few years ago instead of a BW roomhack, and I think it was a pretty decent experience.Shame besides the main story the game wasn't too much to my liking so I dropped it, but the difficulty was just right.But I think that was mainly because of the level caps forcing you to use Pokemons other than your starter.
>>735080103You sound like a drooling retard. Sure, you can point to the most extreme examples to show how much of a departure a romhack might be but there's also extremely basic ones like Pokemon [insert version] but you can catch all Pokemon. Somehow I expect a reply of "Vulpix and Growlithe in the same patch of grass? Fanfic shit."
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>>735080253No anon, you don't understand. I mean a game with ALL the gimmicks, so megas, z-moves, dynamax, Terastalization, and whatever else they add. What a clusterfuck they've created.
>>735077363Have you considered that if "a lot of Pokemon are worthless", then a lot of those become comparatively worthwhile again by virtue of being surrounded by said weaklings? You're just judging them by modern powercreep standards, which makes little sense in the context of gen 3 (or 1, if that's what you end up playing).
>>735077363>>could play RBY>>but the game is piss easy because NPC Pokemon movesets are terribledon't worry, your pokemon's movesets will be limited as wellanyway if you want kanto with the split there's let's go
>>735080321>Vulpix and Growlithe in the same patch of grass?Do you usually make up fake quotes that have nothing to do with what the person was talking about? This about fanmade Pokemon designs. If you're expecting Pikachu and you get someone Deviant Art fursona, you're going to be disappointed. Even the better ones are hurt because they aren't an official Pokemon.
>>735080527What are you even trying to say?Do you even know what different Pokemon tiers are?A Pokemon might be shit when used in OU but might be amazing in UU or PU.We judge how good a Pokemon is by OU (since Uber is broken).If it can't survive in OU then its a shitty Pokemon.
>>735080527You're assuming that when he says "worthless" that just means "not very strong" or "suboptimal"No, in older games some Pokemon are quite literally worthless. As in, if you try and use them, you'll just suffer and it'll faint without doing anything.
>>735077363/dbs/ + janny = cringe
>>735077363>but the game is piss easy because NPC Pokemon movesets are terribleDon't write it off completely, your pokemon are shit too and sometimes a trainer will throw out a fast normal type that can maul you assuming you aren't just overleveling a single pokemon the entire time.
>>735080832>gen 3 ledianto be fair it's not as if you can even use this for playthrough team in the mainline gen 3 games, and you can give it a decent moveset through TMs if you really want
>>735081143True, but then there's THIS fucking thing.
>>735078042>>735078208>>735078496Yellow Legacy is pretty good. They fix a lot of move pools so Pokemon actually get stab moves as they level up, fixed the AI so they don't spam status moves, Pokemon can evolve without trading, and they improved pokemon locations so you can get more pokemon earlier in the game and actually use them. So far the legacy series have been my favorite "vanilla" romhacks.
>>735080832You talk as if Ledian has become any better in the years and games since. No, phys/spec split did not salvage Ledian. No, movepool expansion in subsequent generations did not salvage Ledian. I'm not under any illusions about "every Pokemon having something good" or whatever, I'm just saying that you can find a niche for *the vast majority* in a singleplayer run, even if they'd be utter shit if transplanted into a newer game.
>>735080672Somehow, I'm fairly confident OP is not planning to take his team from his hypothetical next RBY/FRLG playthrough online into PvP Smogon OU singles, so I'm frankly not sure what YOU'RE trying to say.
https://pokemonteambuilder.pro/plan/rby/Post your Gen 1 team.
>>735080672>being a smogonfaglollmao
>>735082025OP here, you're right, mine is just an autistic complaint about how FRLG doesn't satisfy my team building autism because it's in that awkward middle ground between not having enough Gen 3 improvements to make the Pokemon I like worth using, and not having the Gen 4 improvements that would make said Pokemon good to use.Take for example Gyarados. Amazing in RBY, but once it leaves that Gen, it has a terrible SpA that stops it from using Water moves effectively, and by extension the rest of the special coverage moves it can learn, until it reaches Gen 4, and packing it with Earthquake to take advantage of its high Atk is not a solution because what I want to use is a Water Pokemon, if I wanted to use Earthquake, I would just use Dugtrio instead.
>>735082562I getcha. Gyarados definitely needs some TM/HM investment to shine, and if you're not willing to make that choice of commitment then it can feel real shit to not have decent STAB moves, but that's just how a lot of Pokemon work in the early gens.Hell, Earthquake is a good enough move that it could be worth it having both EQ Gyara and Dugtrio on your team. The latter even gets it for free by levelup (although it's really late at lv51), so you don't need the TM for both.
>>735078191professor oak is a lucky man........
>>735080672>What are you even trying to say?That saying something is "the best" only matters if something else is "the worst." This isn't about Pokemon Showdown Money Matches. It's about the single player in FRLG. The CPU can be defeated without looking up which Pokemon are OU tier.
>>735085696Not to mention that smogon singles is enough of a different beast from the singleplayer matches that knowing what's OU does not necessarily tell you much about the best ingame picks anyway. For RBY, it's not that useful to know that Tauros is the best cleanup sweeper, when matches generally don't play out as 6v6 lv100 matches where you constantly switch Pokemon in prediction wars while firing off Thunder Waves to paralyze things for Tauros to take out later. And even if you're gunning for the bull on your team, you still have to play half the game without it since it's in Fuchsia Safari Zone.
>>735078191I always knew Squirtle was the best
>>735086223Yeah it's a completely different format. Smogon tiers skip actually getting the Pokemon and leveling it up while picking which moves it should have, even though the campaign relies heavily on that.
