why does toby hate him so much?
If he does hate Asgore its because he's a faggot
>>735079686Just preparing us for the redemption arc, trust the plan.
>>735079686Probably a stand in for his real dad and hates him
>>735079686He's exactly the soi slurping fag everyone here otherwise loves to shit on all day. Why pearls get clutched now is a mystery to me. Did Toriel getting Boned™ really trigger you fags that badly?
>>735079686he's a white male
>UT Asgore is a spineless wimp but a lot of the blame for all that happens lies with Toriel for abandoning him in a moment of weakness and refusing to intercede before Pacifist Frisk because of her own hangups>DR Asgore is a lonely desperate creep who can't seem to move on from the fact his wife left him and also weirds people out with his schizo-board of conspiracies involving missing people (although he might be vindicated with this one)
>>735079950Because 3DPD sucks and it feels pathetic if the 2D version of them is a human, so making them a fat goat-monster makes them look attractive in a "I want to fix him" sort of way
need to get that fatass pregnant
>>735079950Stop self inserting you manlet
>>735080561That's not what self insert means, and if it was it'd be very ironic coming from an Asgore apologist
SCREENCAP THISASGORE WILL RAPE
>>735080620You are a self inserting manlet.
i dont care, he has the best meme of the franchisehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5NqO2v_xnY
I mean he designed him to be a child killer. That's probably hard to share as a creator.
>>735079950>why do you root for the father of the protagonist who has shown to be kind and helpfullyou are brown arent you?
>>735079950The fact that Toby isn't as vocally left-wing "allows" people here to delude themselves into thinking he's secretly based, despite all evidence pointing towards the exact opposite.He has enough "Fuck you money" to get away with pulling a Scott Cawthon but it's not gonna happen.
>>735080710get raped*
>>735080738keep doubling down I'm sure you'll magically become right eventually
>>735079686If represents his father he never met
>>735079946came to post this
>>735079946I also figured it's this, since I saw another post on /v/ claiming he has two lesbian moms and I choose to believe it. I figure this is also why both games prominently feature a heckin wholesome lesbian pairing side arc between a gruff tomboy and a le quirky chungus girlfailure. Perhaps as a stand in for his lesbian moms.
>>735080085he seemed like a guy stuck in a bad situation doing all he can and deltaroon seems to be saying "no he was actually always was a fucking retard lmao" which is just baffling. I don't think he was an ultra-cool badass and shouldn't be treated as such but just the weird, sad and pathetic way he's presented compared to anyone else from the first game is just jarring as fuck
>>735080085>>735081610i'm pretty sure he'll be right once again in DT, albeit manipulatedmy theory is that big C knows that he knows about the town's knight conspiracy and is actively letting AND helping him play it out discretely for the sake of forcing the prophecy
>>735079686Daddy issues
>toriel gettin boned in undertalelol/lmao>toriel getting boned in deltaruneomg poor baby asgore how could toby do this to us
>>735082250But everyone's issue with it was forcing Kris to listen to her taking a trip to the Bone Zone
>>735079686Overtly masculine character who wants to resume a straight relationship. That alone makes him basically villainous amongst those in Toby's circle.
>>735079686toby is a male feministyou do the math
>>735079950Asgore's the kind of pathetic cringe you feel bad for, not a lolcow.Toriel literally says she was fine with killing kids, she just didn't like that Asgore was waiting for a bunch to fall down vs using one kid's soul to open the seal on the Underground.
>>735082354The butthurt started well before that. I think eggs husband was simply a lethal dose of cringe for most people to handle
>>735081598There was some old email where he says Asgore is based on his own father (Asgore is an extremely positive figure despite his cowardice and it's repeatedly implied in both games the relationship troubles stem more from Toriel than from him before anybody comes barreling in yelling about him being the most cucked goat alive so Toby CLEARLY never had a positive male role model and blah fucking blah)Toby is just a yuritard who thinks two donuts bumping together is a replacement for a story
>>735082808"Eggs husband" makes me want to tear my fucking face off even thinking about it, genuinely good writing
>>735082984how lazy are you to inb4 one argument as dumb but then end with an even dumber one
>>735082984>this character is based on my own father>this character murdered children because he didn't have the strength of will to say "hey actually I dont want to murder children"
>>735083324Because Suselle has all the appeal of a wet sandwich found in the basement and it is genuinely not narratively compelling, or GOING to be, unless Noelle has some kind of crash-out over Susie not returning interest
>>735082782Toriel is a bitch but there’s nothing wrong with her logic, her problem was that not only would he not stop the war and human discrimination when he had the power to, he also wouldn’t actually commit to his vision either, she tries to protect those kids for a reason
>>735083410That's a cool opinion but it has literally nothing to do with Asgore and Toriel
>>735082782>Toriel literally says she was fine with killing kidsNo, she meant that if he REALLY wanted to go all in on his revenge, he could've killed kids. She was never "fine" with it. She was just pissed he couldn't stay true to anything.
>>735083471Toriel seems unwilling to acknowledge that Asgore put them all in a catch-22 of monster depression vs. monster extinction at worst and human genocide at best, whether for game brevity/not being relevant (Tobert doesn't, in fact, need to spell EVERYTHING out for the player) or just because she's a hypocrite, I find both equally likely. She is after all lambasting Asgore for a lack of decisive action while she herself abdicated her throne and went so MIA all monsters except Sans know about her in the past tense>>735083542The post I first replied to was talking about quirk chungus lesbian apairings
>>735079686I don't think he hates him, I just think he likes Toriel more.We'll know for sure when he gets his Canto.If he gets clowned on I can only seethe in silence and accept that Toby's a hack.
>>735082782That idea is retarded, the game shows multiple times how having less than 7 souls can lead to the humans taking control away and screwing everything.
>>735082782People misinterpret that line. I don't even simp for Toriel, but I can see what she meant by that. It's retarded logic, but it's akin to Mike talking about half measures vs full measures. Not really sound logic, but she's not pro child murder
>>735079686nigger, both of his games are woke as all fuck. what makes you think he wouldn't mock straight male role model, the fucking king even?
>>735082782I genuine don't understand why the average /v/tard is unable to understand that line from Toriel. She's just saying Asgore is a bitch that didn't go all out on fulfilling his promise of war, instead just letting it keep going hoping no human would fall.
>>735083471>she tries to protect those kidsNot very hard. Her protection ends where her discomfort of having to be in the same room as Asgore again begins.
>>735079950>Did Toriel getting Bonedtoriel was drunk and sans wouldn’t take advantage of that
>>735085080It's really funny in hindsight that Frisk is the only human child she intervened in the death of, Asgore did canonically merc those six kids himself
>>735079686Kris watched Assgore gape Asriel from the closet door slats, and they were both loving it foreverially.
>>735079686He hates his father, which then extends to a generalized hatred of Monarchs and the concept of leadership, all of which has been true of leftists like Robert to varying degrees for centuries.
>>735085436I would love to foreverial tie up the deltarune characters and bolognatize them
I feel really fucking stupid just now realizing that Asriel is just Asgore and Toriel's names combined
>>735085348>the one time Toriel jumps in to stop Asgor killing a child is the same time she tried to force a child to kill herShe's got problems
>>735085535following the same naming scheme as "hotland" or "snowdin"
>>735085348It’s not like she could catch up with them, she’s only able to catch him in pacifist because you stalled
>>735085747This is true. We make Frisk waste her time by dating Alphys and going to the true lab. In regular neutral routes Toriel can't catch up to her.
>>735082250People on /v/ didn't self-insert as Frisk or didn't see Toriel as being her mom like they do with Kris. There's a reason nobody says UT Soriel is NTR while that was spammed for Deltarune.
>>735079757asgore's gonna flaunt his black shard at the festival or even frame it cuz it's coolor just sell his flowers like usual
>>735081610>"no he was actually always was a fucking retard lmao"In Deltarune it's pretty clear that cringefunny moments aside, Asgore isn't wrong for his conspiracy fixation. He probably had some encounter with the Dark World or Shelter and it's what got him fired from the police force and caused Toriel to divorce him, and now he's trying to vindicate himself. That's why he's working with Carol, she's probably using her knowledge of the paranormal shit going on in Hometown to manupulate him, maybe she even had a hand in his removal from the police force. He isn't portrayed as a bad person, just a guy who was dealt a shitty hand and is struggling to cope with it. This isn't bad in itself and it could either be resolved well or like shit, I'm putting my faith in the jewdog because I've enjoyed the storytelling so far
>>735086137>this character I name with all battles in first person in a game centered around metagaggotry isn't me>this character that explicitly is not me is me actuallydeltarune fans are deranged
>>735086707Asgore's definitely got some screws loose about it himself since he's outright stalking Toriel but I'm interested in it because it's mostly him trying feverishly to restore normalcy in his life (obviously this does not excuse stalking his eggs-wife)
>>735086864You don't name Frisk nor are her actions narrated in first person. You're thinking of Chara who people see even less as a self-insert compared to Frisk.
>>735079686It is a is a straight male
>>735081064get reverse-raped**
>>735087190
>>735087190every character toby has made packs fudge or munches carpet or both, usually both
>>735079747Actually despising your own creations is a sign of extremely weak writing and a bad author
>>735087745he hates that his audience likes him, the response wasn't what he expected
>>735088313Literally who else but you fags gives a shit about asgore? I don't think the annoying dog would be too broken up that you see a fat loser getting mocked and take it personally.
>>735088841i don't think anyone actually likes himi don't like any of these characters, i think that's the point. for all the characters to be annoying so you are tempted to destroy their lives
>>735079686Does Toby have a poor relationship with his own father?If so, perhaps that.
Where do anons get this idea that writers make bad things happen to certain characters because they hate them?
>>735085492Few things in life are more pathetic than adults who never outgrew their "I hate you, dad!" phase.
>>735082984Kind of weird though isn't it.He's a yuritard, that created a lesbian couple inspired by his own mom(s).
>>735089036When it makes me upset and I can't understand why else the author would do this to me personally.
>>735079686>why does toby hate him so much?It might be due to the fact that in Undertale he killed 6 defenseless children, authorized unethical experiments on his own citizens and hes literally a coward
I still believe in KING ASGOREHe did nothing wrong in UTHe did nothing wrong in DRKING ASGORE WILL GIVE US HOPEKING ASGORE WILL SAVE US ALL
>>735089320He killed children in UT
>>735084648>it's akin to Mike talking about half measures vs full measuresThat man is a criminal.A criminal, I tell you.
>>735079686Toby doesn't hate him, he likes to put the characters he likes through trials or make them flawed.
>>735089367Which is based
>>735089462... if you're a dirty reggin
>>735089206>toby hates a character for something he wrote the character to do in the storyAh, okay makes perfect sense.
>>7350893671. It's legal in his kingdom2. Justified considering what humans did to his kingdom and his family
>>735082782>Toriel literally says she was fine with killing kidsShe literally didn't. She criticized Asgore for not having the resolve to walk through the barieer and find souls outside the underground.
>>735089367"Out of the womb and into the tomb"
>>735089532It's justified to kill him because might makes right and he jobs to a child
>>735089367At least one of them was a little shit that had it coming.
>>735089367They were asking for itNot a single kid that went through were doing a pacifist run (yellow isn't canon)
>>735089036Because they're autistic retards
>>735089617Yes, humans are canonically much more powerful than monstersI'm saying he is in the right, not that he is unbeatable
>>735087190He acts very fruity with Rudy.
>>735089367Those brats needed correction
>>735089367That's because he was jealous of their cock sizes
>>735089712But might makes right and he's a weak cuck
>>735079686It's really strange that if you kill five children ,and do horrific unethical experimentations on your subjects, and child you're more beloved than a small business owner. You'd think it would be the other way around, did Toby just forget that everyone was a big fan of him, and Toriel was just pissed because he was killing children?
>>735089783Ok chara
>>735084527The idea that getting seven souls would somehow magically give the monster total control over them is even more retarded.A seven soul fusion perhaps would be ungodly powerful, but would in all likelihood also be even less stable than Omega Flowey was.You have seven other people - who definitely have a pretty negative impression of you and probably pretty strong opinions about the extreme actions you intend to take - that can at any moment start rebelling against you in attempts to usurp control of your extremely powerful body.Shit is totally retarded.The souls *might* let a theoretical Omega Asgore tear down the barrier.Anything more malicious would be shut down hard.
>>735089367Those kiddos were weak unlike Frisk. Survival of the strongest.
>>735089828Chara was also a weak cuck and deserved to die for sympathizing with those monsters
>>735089874But he hated them allHe hated absolutely everyone, humans and monsters both
>>735089937Then he deserved to die for being cringe
>>735089736The real reason Toriel left him.https://files.catbox.moe/p6lf7s.jpeg
>>735089980We can at least agree on that point
>>735082250>Toriel getting boned in undertaleThey were apart for centuries and Frisk is not actually her kid, she and sans have been friends for a while>Toriel getting boned in deltaruneWoman gets so drunk with man she's met literally that same week she doesn't even realize her own kid is not home by the middle of the night. Proceeds to blast music all night while she bangs a stranger, while her kid is in his room not even able to sleep.
>>735079686>>735079950>>735080085>>735089545>>735089461Toby Fox hates straight males. He likes genderfluid nonbinary alphabet people woke faggotry. Toby Fox is friends with BLM supporters, feminist supporters, all the woke anti-hetero pro-tranny people. Asgore is one of the few males who isn't a side character therefore he must be as pathetic, wear a pink shirt, be as much of a loser as people. This is why tumblr and twitter and bluesky faggots in general love Undertale, it's the Steven Universe equivalent of videogames. It's just gay pandering woke ideology concentrated, like a soup of all their cliches.
>>735089937Technically it's never stated she hated monsters when alive, just humans.
>>735089545>>735084648>>735083648No, she was. See >>735085080
>>735086205Why are the letters all weirdWhat even is this comicIs this all of it?
>>735089784>write a character to do bad things>WTF I hate this character that didn't have a choice but to do the shit I wrote him to do!!!!And all because Asgore is a male and not a nonbinary tranny like the other characters.
>>735090092>sheMental illnessDon't bother (You)ing me, I'm not arguing with troons
>>735090103That doesn't prove anything
>>735090225Troons call the humans they/them. Coomers use she/her
>>735088920I think you just don't like the game, man.
>>735088920What?Anon, you're playing a game you hate and twisting yourself into having a reason to like it.
>>735089036Don't know but I'm willing to bet it comes from the same well that whole "whatever terrible shit the villain does = the author approves of it" retardation comes from.
>>735088920>i think that's the point. for all the characters to be annoying so you are tempted to destroy their livesEven if I agree with you that a huge number of these characters are unlikable, I don't think that is the point nor the reception. Because people love these characters a lot, even the worst ones. The porn proves it.It's quite possible Toby is purposely giving crippling flaws to most characters and the audience is too morally retarded to understand it. Kris was doing some really non-consentual evil shit to Noelle and the players are just kinda not reacting in a way that is appropriate for what Kris did, which suggests the audience is fucking stupid. For me it's certainly obvious that no matter what happens in the future some of these characters are irredeemably shit already.
Asgore will probably have a big hype up moment that will make it look like something cool is going to happen but then it will end with a gag like him idk shitting his pants or something and then chapter 5 will end with nothing having happened except introduce some new outfits/characters to make merch for
>>735090223He doesn't even do anything in Deltarune though. In his attempt to make him hated he made it seem like the monsters are, well monsters... that they only liked he was killing kids, and doing horrible mutilating experiments on them.
>>735091164>It's quite possible Toby is purposely giving crippling flaws to most charactersToby literally stated he's doing that in the anniversary stream.
>>735091164>and the players are just kinda not reacting in a way that is appropriate for what Kris did, which suggests the audience is fucking stupidthat's because using the soul as a scapegoat is a utdr tradition at this point.
>>735090626>>735091039>>735091164i will say, if this game doesn't have an ending where the player is able to fuck over all the gay little characters, then i will hate it. i want an evil ending where i win and everyone else loses
>>735091284I didn't know that. But it's good to know - it makes the insufferable characters tolerable.>>735091324Are the players still too stupid to understand "the soul" is the player's agency? Flowey fucking spells it out for you.
>>735091164>Kris was doing some really non-consentual evil shit to NoelleNigga she invited him into her room with the blinds closed. Also he didn't even fuck her, I did.
>>735091164It's a video game bro, everyone going genocide 2 is doing it willingly, and Tobert is the one who made it that way. Trying to pull the Kojima card expecting people to be ashamed of their actions isn't going work, and certainly not his expectation when he already did this shit before.
>>735091164>The porn proves it.That doesn't really prove anything
The player isn't the soul btw.
>>735091780Shut up Jaru
>>735091830Who?
>>735091780Yes it is. It's your soul, projected into the game. You're an extradimensional demon spiritually infecting the game world (which Kris somehow facilitated since he needed a new soul)
>>735091579>everyone going genocide 2 is doing it willingly, and Tobert is the one who made it that way. Trying to pull the Kojima card expecting people to be ashamed of their actions isn't going workI think this fact, and not just with Undertale, is the most horrifying part of learning something about your fellow gamers.I'm going to ogle Quiet all day and kill things in video games, but I'm not going to actually do the Genocide route myself. Killing shit without an explicit positive outcome even in a video game is fucked up. I'm not going to press the button that nukes the town. It's the anti-achievement having done the Genocide route, like who the fuck can actually kill Papyrus - it's too fucked up to think about.
>>735091907We should make sure our spiritual experiences are substantive. So while that might be your soul, mine is destined for an eternity with my lord and savior Jesus Christ. Not furry games (hell)
>>735091780The theories floating around that the player-heart or human soul isn't a real entity and isn't seen or experienced by anybody are really funny
>>735091895YouTuber who believes the SOUL is Dess and not the player.
>>735091965I really think tumblr might be more your speed, man. This is the gayest thing in recent memory I've ever heard, and I click on every ralsei thread I see.
>>735092035That would kind of make sense in more ways. The soul isn't always controlled by the player
>>735091997Jesus would help a troubled young man in his hour of need
>>735092131Yes, but in real life. And to those who humble themselves before God
>if you put any obstacles in a character's story line you hate them>if you don't then you're pandering >if you try to balance it out you're a wimpIs there ever any pleasing you faggotsThis is like saying Tony Soprano should've had everything gone his way because that would mean David Chase likes Tony's character. Are you guys fucking retarded?
>>735092094You will enjoy this thenhttps://youtu.be/C5_kIZXZPeo
>>735092094I think the real problem with the game is that nothing at the moment is at all concrete. The "first act" of any work of media ends when we have a clear direction and path for the protagonists. Sometimes the first act ends 10% of the way into the story, sometimes 33% of the way into the story, and we're well past half.And all we have is to stop the Roaring. That's the direction but there's no path. We don't have any certainty about the Roaring Knight, Dess, or the role of ANY of the characters. The first act hasn't ended because the player has no idea what the fuck matters.
People that genuinely think there's going to be 1 ending really missed the point of what Gerson was talking about
>>735092681I think if by the next chapter we still don't know anything, it's safe to say all Toby is going for is mysterywank. Which seems to be what a lot of Deltarune fans want. I prefer satisfying answers, but we'll see
>>735092685I hate it when the metafiction stuff is this hamfisted. It's the thing I can't stand about this guy's writing. It's constant, and it's never even slightly subtle. The actual narrative is secondary to the whole meta 'ooohhh this is a video game' aspect.
>>735092685No, Deltarune is gonna have one single open ending, something like The Sopranos, The Shining, or American Psycho. The whole point of this battle was to encourage the audience to become co-creators with Toby in the story of Deltarune.
>>735092681This is only a problem for obsessive theoryfags ceaselessly trying to predict anything and everything, only to get stressed out when the meddlesome author keeps throwing wrenches in their plans. You had to beat undertale twice (or just load a save) to get the real story, you fags really just need to shut the fuck up and enjoy the ride as it comes.
>>735093018I don't think comparing however deltarune is going to end to the sopranos is going to make sense. The sopranos had a pretty obvious ending, tony got shot in the fucking side of the head. Makes perfect sense in the context of the episode and season
>>735079686He really doesn't.He's treated with far more respect than most dads in fiction.>>735080085We don't know how he got fired and how reasonable Toriel's reaction was. In Undertale the whole point is that both of them fucked up in their own unique way to cope with the lose of their child (And Chara, I guess).
>>735093227Aha but you see it's only implied and not shown. Who knows maybe Tony really did survive? But I guess you're right it's not as ambiguous as The Shining. Still, I think Toby is gonna do a single, open ambiguous ending.
>>735079686horns are the classic symbol of the cuckold
>>735093227
>>735089784This analogy is retarded
>>735092808I think we are already well into mysterywank and there's no way to unfuck it. Because there are numerous elements that require resolution and there just isn't time because this game has the characters stopping to play Rock Band and all they've done is play Rock Band for half of all the past chapters and guess what Rock Band or boatrides don't fucking matter.Like, let's just take the Dess thread. If Dess is important to the story we've seen actual fuck-all about that. At the first act conclusion it should be well fucking obvious what/where Dess is and what the protagonists are going to do about it but we have fucking nothing. It doesn't matter if Dess is the Roaring Knight or not, the point is that the Roaring Knight has done fuck-all besides mysterybullshit and no amount of amalgamating Dess or any other elements into the Roaring Knight makes it a more interesting story element than it is right now.Undertale by comparison was straight with you from the moment Toriel let you go - go fuck up Asgore, who wants your soul. The first act ended after Toriel, simple. This unfinished drip fed bullshit with Deltarune is just simply bad and well, it's hardly surprising Deltarune fans are too stupid to think there's any problems with it because they thought the secret bullshit Flowey lore with Undertale was okay.
>>735093653I think you're right. We are far enough to say so, but there's a chance something mind blowing will happen and things will fall into place. Not getting my hopes up, and that's fine. I never had them up in the first place. I realized years ago that usually people's best creations are the ones where they understand the scope of things. Deltarune always seemed too ambitious to me. It seemed like every idea Toby ever wanted to do, sort of put into one project. I understand that idea, I've wanted to do the same thing. But it's better to separate your ideas when they don't all jive together. Undertale was a much smaller, much more focused project. And that's why I think it will likely be the one that'll survive the test of time way more than Deltarune. People are having fun with theories for now, but Undertale's theories still endure because they liked the actual concreate story that was built around it
>>735093653The main antagonist of undertale, introduced 10 seconds into the game, goes unexplained until you beat the whole game and start a new run and get most of the way through that run
>>735079686>chara became asgore because he was the playable character Ludometa kino
great the /utg/ coomers are here
>>735092685It feels more like that "canon doesn't really matter, your interpretation/imagination does" slop Toby tried to push during the tenth anniversy stream
>>735094156Yeah, but he's clearly the antagonist. The knight isn't, since she's working with the protag.
>>735094156nta but having to restart undertale was just pure filler obviously, but deltarune will likely be a lot of filler when all is said and done so there ya go
>>735079950I guess I feel bad for him but see that he can easily redeem himself, he seems like he just needs a bro to help him out of a bad situation.The thing he is a real victim of is Toby's shit writing.
>>735089320>>735089367he didn't kill enough, that's what's wrong
>>735093653if Toby hadn't explicitly mentioned hating how Haniwa haunted the narrative during mother3, it would've been so fucking easy to insert Dess into that role and be done with it. but noo, fuckass dog had to signal how female characters can't do shit like that
>>735094489he should've killed mk
>>735094324The knight is working with Kris. They are both your antagonist.
Rudy and Asgore have nonstop endless sex
>>735093725SEX WITH KRIS
>>735079686>I regret that I killed a bunch of kids :(Wow, what great character writing
>>735094324Anon, have you never hear of villain protagonists? Because that's exactly what Kris is.
>>735094859yeah we don't even really know that
>>735094518Robert also never explicitly called all of his player characters "non-binary," because he doesn't need to when each of them is individually referred to with a plural pronoun both in and outside his games to sound "neutral."
>>735094859Kris is antagonist to you, the player. Whether he's villanous or just reckless is yet to be seen
>>735094518>hating how Haniwa haunted the narrative during mother3That strikes me as rather insane. Lucas lost his mom and his brother at the same time and the world falls apart as everyone becomes a stupid bitch just like he was before everyone died. And the whole game Lucas tries to unfuck everything in an unbitch-like manner and his mom's memory appears to remind him to not be a bitch and remember before things went to shit Claus had your back and you should try and save him rather than abandoning him like a bitch - as everyone else in the story abandoned everything good.Hinawa was a symbol of goodness in the world. How the fuck is it wrong for her to haunt the story when everything in the story was just so fucking bad. We have to assume her influence was the only thing that prevented Lucas from growing up into a bitch because Flint and the townsfolk sure as fuck weren't doing anything.
>>735093725noelle is legitimately too smallyou can see she has cleavage when seen in profile
>>735094859we don't know enough about what kris is doing to call him a villain antagonist for sure, but that just means that he's opposing the protagonist
The knight is Rudy. The alternative requires shit like:>You know that dead girl the town is obsessed with? Turns out she's still alive as an 8 foot tall black magic knight. She lives in the woods right outside her mom's house. She hangs out with her childhood friend and they work on evil schemes together. They never bother telling her family because reasons.
I hate all the fucking gay art for this game that depicts the player as being a fucking evil lovecraft monster just because you played the fucking game where the character doesn't consent to being a video game character
>>735086205Source?
>>735095649>the game is calling us evil even tho it's literally shown multiple times that Kris is the antagonist trying to prevent us from finding out what's inside the bunker
>>735095549>Turns out she's still alive'Alive' is a stretch>They never bother telling her familyCarol knows. Why do you think she's so friendly with Kris?
>>735080085>UT Asgore: killed six kids>DR Asgore: didn't kill six kids (as far as we know)
>>735095654https://x.com/i/status/1997107178470101014
>>735095324Prove it
>>735093725>>735094773This but Frisk and Chara as well.
>>735095549>the guy who's in dying of the illness in the hospital? the same one who runs out of energy just standing around in church? yeah, he's the knight for sure
>>735096352magic
>>735096234they're not massive milkers, but they're still big enough to still stick out even with her sweater
twitterniggers found out about the dess shota headcanon and have been crying bloody murder about it all day
>>735095649Yeah that shit is extremely gay and cringe worthy.
>>735096496they learn about noelle knight last week, doelester this weekat this rate they'll find out about second hero kris by the end of the month and we'll really see a meltdown
>>735096352Yes. Why do you think he's so sick?
>>735096352If anything, the guy dying has even more reasons to risk it all in a last ditch attempt to find his daughter.
>>735094156Technically you can just reload your save and do the Alphys date. You don't need to replay the entire game.
>>735096636cancer
>>735096748Wing Cancer...
>>735096697Only if you already did full pacifist, and way too many people killed toriel by accident for that
>>735096352Guy has never heard of a red hearing. I mean come on anon, his nose is red
>>735088313Many such cases.
>>735096863noelle's nose is also red and she isn't dying of aids
>>735096616It will be just like how they freak out whenever a sexy Frisk/Chara picture breachs containment. I can't wait
>>735095549no one is obsessed about her other than the Holidays thoughif anything it would make more sense that Dess is the knight and after what happened in the bunker they tried reviving her but something happened
>>735096496I don't understand how they didn't already know about it. Even fucking redditfags make jokes about Dess grooming Kris ever since chapters 3-4 came out.
>>735097037no but it's red from eating out blood filled dyke vaginas
>>735079686Jews are matriarchal.
>>735097301>noelle ever getting a crumb of pussylol, lmao
>>735097267And Asgore. Nobody bothered telling him she lives in the Holiday house woods.
>>735096848I think the bigger issue in that scenario is Undyne. The water cup trap caught far too many people back in the day.
>>735097397Would you trust asgore not to blab
>>735096496They hate literally everything, of course they would hate pure kino.
>>735097375i cant imagine how else it would be red
>>735096848A lot of people were forced to do so by the fandom.
>>735097443he's retarded but loyal, so maybe??
>>735094831Anon please no NV bounties 3
>>735095649But that's so cool when it's the weird Route!
>>735097718>Yeah sure, you just survived being buried alive and you're litterally about to kill me right here and right now. Mere hours after I failed to kill you. B-but... you'll never live this down!I like Someguy2000 but good god. Also his voice actor sounds like he belongs in Skyrim, not Fallout
>>735095649it's just the twitterdrones who project onto Kris about being a enby who can't do anything wrong even though they're helping the overarching antagonist
>>735098404>gifDamn, I don't remember the Gehrman fight being that easy
>>735089980YOU are cringe!
>>735098592I was playing with a lot of mods, to be fair. But Marko deserves to be disrespected like that
>>735094231How is Asgore even Chara?
>>735079950this is weird to say because he's a character written by someone. Toby has actively made the choice to make Asgore as "unlikeable" as can be for no real reason.
>>735091371If you thought that's what you got out of Undertale then I'm sure you'll be able to delude yourself into thinking you got it out of Deltarune too.
>>735082250>toriel in deltarune
>>735092681>And all we have is to stop the Roaring.What we have is the potential to follow through on the path of the prophecy even though it will certainly end badly for some of the characters. This gives us plenty of information about the general direction of the game, we just can't accurately predict the whole third act right now and you're throwing a hissy fit over it.
>>735096496
>>735093653>they thought the secret bullshit Flowey lore with Undertale was okay.What the fuck is supposed to be wrong with Flowey? You didn't get his whole "deal" in act one therefore he's badly written? You're a faggot with no taste.
>>735099382>incomprehensible ESL babble
>>735091371There's always the weird route for people like you.
>next chapter finally comes>kris wakes up for school>goes downstairs to the kitchen>Sans is sitting at the table reading the newspaper (only the funny pages)what is your genuine response?
>>735099885Laughter.
>>735100149all i ever see is laughter
>>735094831>>735098404>what if by doing good... you did bad!?i fucking hate these mods, no idea why people reccomend them
>>735100830The first two are kino, and 3 isn't bad except for Marko. Someguy even admitted he fucked up with that character. But in every other regard, they're fun
Don't you guys think this has to be Susie since it repeats so many times in her Dark World?
>>735100925That and because it looks like herOn normal route she'll get the piss kicked out of her and Kris will have (you) go into her which will restore her and giver her a SOUL SWORD
>>735100925We know Susie was strongly convinced The Girl was her and invested in what she might learn about her own future as The Girl before she ever got to make a dark world containing prophecy panels.
>>735100905sure, but it also happens in the inheritence>lol lmao you gave money to these guys for a good cause? actually they're child slavers.and the amount of npcs teleporting away that takes place to stop you killing people is dumb
>>735100925Susie, in weird route Noelle
>>735101087You can tell that british bitch you don't trust her, and she'll actually acknowledge that you were too smart to trick
>>735101147but there's no actual information ingame that could tell you they're evil before she approached youand why can't i just blow her brains out after they tell me where the child auction is taking place
>>735101254>hurr durr everything needs to be telegraphedlmao
>>735100925Unlike everyone else I always thought she was the girl and the only fake hero was Kris (us/vessel were the real cage instead)
>>735096496but that's not the full comic
>>735101254A lot of people who made Fallout mods would try and have there be moral dilemmas where there's no optimal outcome. Which I also disagree with. But it's not a huge deal to me, because it makes sense there's not always going to be a perfect solution. It never became a problem that I hated in any of Someguy's mods until NVB 3, and only with Marko. I think he did that whole thing better with his newer mod, Seven graves from now. Because the villian there does bring up how many people you've killed, but you can just tell him you don't give a shit and kill him. Which is way more satisfying. That's really all I care about. Just give me someone to hate and shoot in the face. I love that shit
>>735101413Yeah, this is kino.
>>735100925as it stands susie doesn't fit into the mold very wellthe image kinda looks like susie, but susie doesn't use swordsralsei also says that she's supposed to wear ribbons, which she flatly refusesi don't think it's her, she has a whole complex about never being chosen for anything and i think this might be what finally sets it in stone for her
>>735092681I'd place Deltarune's end of Act 1 at the end of Chapter 3. The Knight encounter marks a significant change in tone, and it shifts the direction from "teehee let's lollygag about in the Dark World" to "oh shit we have to stop the Knight and save Undyne."
>>735101467"LOVE finds its way to the girl"On normal route Susie will recieve the human soul from Kris in a moment of desperation which will trigger a trsnsformation that visually brings her more in line with the prophecyOn weird route the prophecy is subverted and the girl is Noelle. She may or may not get the SOUL, but in her case LOVE is also Level Of ViolencE which we've been building up with her over the course of the game
>>735079686He's the depiction of a modern American dad that was recently divorced. He's overweight and lacks a spine which is an epidemic for most "men" in America. They can't move on from their first loves as it almost difficult for them to, in Asgore's case the fact that he has a family with Toriel to boot makes it even harder for him. After separation, the man almost have a hard time trying being financially independent which is shown in the game's first chapter: Asgore is behind on his bills.Toriel is living foot loose and fancy free because like most American women or just women in general regardless of most countries, they see it as freedom. They aren't as usually crushed. They are happy to open a new chapter in their lives. They know how to move on. That's what makes the women in the relationship much more different than the men. As you can see, Toriel is living a much more successful and happy life, she seems to make a decent living as a teacher, being able to financially support herself and Kris and possibly Asriel as he's off in college, assuming either she or Asgore are both paying for his tuition, or if Asriel is paying for it himself.And in America, mom's are even more happy about separation because they can live off their ex-husbands alimony and or child support. I don't know if this is the case with Asgore in Toriel but women usually get the advantage after a divorce, which usually makes them more happy. Often times, women DON'T always win.
>>735099382Why is it only the fictional women that love to read coffee as much as I do.
>>735101467>susie doesn't use swordsNever understood this line of reasoning. It's an object, nothing is forcing her to never pick up a sword. That could be like a snapshot from some future cutscene like Ralsei in a cloak being a snapshot of his first appearance.
>>735101992see that also relies a lot on just assuming things will work out a very specific waysomething people don't consider is that we saw the prophecy out of order, which is factually the case in the second sanctuary what if love has already found its way to the girl? there is a character that certainly fits one interpretation of that
>>735102389I mean yes, Kris did already give his original soul to Dess, but also Toby wouldn't directly warn us about Kris being in trouble if he were in the dark world without a soul and then not eventually show us. To follow on with your logic, just as things in the prophecy could happen out of order, they could also happen more than once
>>735102389Just say you think is the girl buddy.
>>735101467>but susie doesn't use swordsAnd that's where the white pen of hope comes into play.
>>735102993pencils are swordswe don't know what pens turn into
>>735103078GreatswordZWEIHANDER SUSIEPOWER UP THE BASS CANON
What if Susie is the Girl in the Normal Route and Noelle is the Girl in the Weird Route? You could also add Kris as the girl for things like the Aborted Weird Route.
>>735102840it's better when people piece the puzzle together themselves
>>735103267YOU were literally talking to the schizo who was seething over the theory for months
>>735103261>What if Susie is the Girl in the Normal Route and Noelle is the Girl in the Weird Route?This is very clearly the case, Toby is making a light hearted jab at VNs that let you pick the love interest
>>735099885>Kris goes downstairs, sees Sans>screen darkens, starts shaking>suddenly cuts back to Kris in bed>sigh of relief, go downstairs again>Sans is still there>"never seen someone get up twice before, you must really be a morning person"
>>735103363Kris as the love interest...
>>735103343i thought he moved on to screeching about noelle knight
>>735103548I mean Noelle knight is funnier since its just pure schizo babble.You have to write your own entire fanfic to make it work. And give noelle teleports?
>>735103548He's now making bad theories and being stubborn about them like saying the Vessel will never return than his usual behavior of seething over female humans
>>735103497Kris is the boy you control (unwillingly, which is part of the twist on the genre)
>>735103850Kris is a girl you control and also a love interest for you at the same time.
And if you want to play this I mean it is literally the most disgust
>>735103850>unwillinglyNu uh. If someone is being forced into that whole possession shitshow, it's me and not that backstabbing little bitch
>>735104135And if I'm not interested?
>>735103548>>735103716Disregard anyone actually acting like a schizo about Noelle Knight. The theory was co-opted by shitposters but it's still a legitimate theory that I worked very hard on. Please ignore the people being arrogant or antagonistic about it, such as the guys spamming image compilations.
>>735099885kris gets their childhood idol stolen, their mom stolen, their technical aunt only cares about (you), Noelle and, or Susie will get stolen by (you) what does Toby mean by this?
>>735104251The whole point of the weird route is you having him consensually rape his childhood friend against his will when he wants to fuck the dinosaur instead. Essentially playing forceful matchmaker with his life cause you're bored and want to see it.>>735104135Kris is a boy
>>735104307You can choose the other love interests, duh.
>>735104356Noelle knight is stupid and you are stupid. Why would Kris hide the knight's existence from Noelle if it was a Mr. Hyde situation?
>>735104516But hope rides alone
>>735104472Kris is a cute girl.
>>735103497>>735104135Toby knows from his fandom back in the Undertale days that we clamor for a human woman dating sim.
>>735104641Samefag
>>735104356The schizo we're talking about doesn't seem to care about it... I think. He has very autistic complaints usually involving the humans in this series.
>>735104551I am not interested in a discussion with someone that immediately opens with insults.
>>735104679Every post ITT is me, yes.
>>735104828wtf i posted this
>>735104749I appreciate your intrinsic narrative understanding of the KINO of Noelle indulging in her darker fantasies and becoming a dangerous entity, but the payoff of that is her becoming the "angel"
>>735102840Pedos will look at this image and say it's cunny
>>735079686asgore gets a cute anime slut, something toby will never get
>>735104641Dating sim with Kris where you mind break her into not being nonbinary.
This guy's name is ASS GORE. That's how much of a prolapse he has.
>>735105114Boring. I'll rather steal Asriel away instead.
Everything dealing with The Girl from the prophecy (protip: it's Kris) was already explained. Please educate yourself:https://youtu.be/atcmhLW0NX4
>>735083471>her problem was that he was trying to go about it in the safest way possible instead of declaring Human/Monster War 2 and all of monsterkind eradicated for sure this timeTorielfags ought to be sterilized.
>>735104940Both can be good.
>>735105357>instead of declaring Human/Monster War 2 and all of monsterkind eradicated for sure this timeHe already canonically did that, Toriel was just calling him a pussy>>735084961
>>735105343goy slave
>>735105343there is a 0.02% chance of this being the case
>>735105343Kris is a man because I want to mindbreak him into being a fag and kissing berdlyI refuse to elaborate.
>>735105114Unironically I think there's a porn fangame called Undercontrol where you can mindcontrol FemKris and other characters into your harem.
>>735105415He also canonically went about it in the only way that doesn't get them exterminated, unlike what Toriel wanted to do.Her being a dumb whore and demanding her entire species commit a ritualistic suicide is the complete opposite of "her logic makes sense".You either inherently grasp something that simple or you are too stupid to be allowed to live.
>>735105343>Kris, the boy with a human head, is the girl, and not susie, a girl with a snout, because I'm a retarded tranny faggot
>>735105343imagine how much people would cry about this
>>735105725We literally have a schizo that cries about it everyday as you can see in the post above yours.
>>735105702>pretending to understand silhouettes the 'snout' could easily be hair
>>735104592All humans are cute girls because most they/thems are girls irl.
>>735105702The silhouette is not a snout. It's a hood/hair. The most popular theory is that it's a Noelle wearing her hood.
>>735105343The shitstorm would be a sight to behold but just like Kress, Toby doesn't have the balls to pull through.
>>735105343>2.6k views>267 commentsHuh. Thought it would be far worse.
>>735090085This. People only treat his work differently from SU because his art style is basic enough that people can plausibly reinterpret, say, Susie and Noelle as hot waifus. Also he's capable of actually being funny because he can write jokes separate from his politics.
>>735102156I don't think you know how alimony works. Women get alimony if there was proof if the man in the relationship cheated.
>>735106103Women get alimony, period, in the land of the free and the No Fault divorce.
>>735105858>the concept art for both Ralsei and Susie used their names>but the human figure is just... Humanwhat the fuck did temmie mean by this
>>735105907where would her antlers go nigga
>>735106079>Susie and Noelle as hot waifus>hot waifus>hotwaifus
>>735082782What? She didn't say that at all, and you literally get to see her try to forcibly stop Frisk from delivering themself to Asgore. She hated Asgore for making the situation worse by calling for war, getting everyone's hopes up, and then dragging things out by hiding because he was too afraid to follow through. Pointing that she was disgusted by the cowardice and hypocrisy in him not taking that action doesn't somehow mean she endorses it.
>>735106304Either covered by the hood or shed. Deer shed their antlers every year.
>>735106304>white mage.png
>>735106292The real first hero is the Vessel and Kris is a faker.
>>735106426that would be cool if we get our vessel and kill kris with it, that's what I want
its genuinely impressive how toby managed to get most of this fanbase to hate both toriel and sans with just one scene
>>735106562Kris will be used up in the weird route, so that's very likely.
>>735106562no doubt in my mind that everybody aside from the schizos wants to punch Kris at least once
>>735105556It also has Fem Clover so it's automatically the best fangame ever.
Not shit Kris isn't the first hero. He isn't a "cage with human soul and parts". He's just a human. That's a ridiculous way to describe a person.
>>735106583>mostYeah, right.
>>735079686>>735080085Asgore in UT was depressed but mostly mellowed due to the fact his family fell apart due to his kids dying and him declaring war on humanity and knowing that he had no chance of even remotely salvaging it (also toriel might have ghosted asgore several hundred years ago). meanwhile in DR his kids are still alive, the reason for the divorce was likely over dark world bullshit that he could possibly fix, said divorced happened a couple years ago at max, all while he's being actively validated by this autistic weeb of a boss so of course he's going to be more desperate
>>735106292Toby hadn't ddcided to not let you name Kris yet>>735105858It's clearly a snout you fucking retard>>735105907It's exactly the shape of Susie's head, you face blind autistic faggot. Even in the game none of the characters suggest it could be someone else, just that some of the details are seemingly wrong
>>735107043>It's exactly the shape of Susie's headNo, it isn't. If you compare the sprites you see it's not exact, just vaguely similar. It's purposely made to look that way so Susie would make that mistake.
>>735106079>because his art style is basic enough that people can plausibly reinterpret, say, Susie and Noelle as hot waifusToby also approves of fanart making his girls hotter, so that's another based point for him.
>>735107043>Even in the game none of the characters suggest it could be someone elseGerson says she's "the Dragon". Which is someone distinct from the heroes who they were supposed to stop in chapter one.
>>735106723I am not a super fan of hypnosis so it's not for me.
Muffet when
>>735107043>Toby hadn't ddcided to not let you name Kris yet[Citation needed]
>>735106583it will be genuinely impressive how toby will manage to get most of this fanbase to hate both him and the game with just one ending
>>735107412He told me
>>735107278Susie was originally anther Berdly: a random classmate who teams up with the villains who you defeat. Kris and Ralsei conspired to trick her into becoming the second hero using kindness.
>>735107595Most people are going to be upset about the ending no matter how good it is.
>>735106375only the males
>>735082250this fanbase treats kris as a stand-in despite what it claims. so alot of this fandom effectively viewed it as sans deltarune fucking their mom
>>735107604No need to confirm you are schizophrenic, we already know.
>>735107595>deltarune is toby's homestuck (and undertale was his problem sleuth)>the curse of hussie is real
>>735107659But that was also the case in Undertale, and fans there shipped Sans x Toriel.
>>735107349Never, stuck in backer hell.
>>735107829[citation needed]
>>735107595As long as he doesn’t something stupid look “oh deltarune was a dream”, or “oh kris is the real LE GIRL and the games a metaphor for being trans” or “dess actually groomed kris and deltarune is actually a metaphor for being raped” it should be fine. Or in other words as long as Toby doesn’t listen to his fans it should be fine
>>735107801The people who complain about the jitterbug didn't self-insert as Frisk nor did they see Toriel as Frisk's mom.
>>735106000>toby doesn’t have the balls to be retardedTragic
>>735107640>>735107758The only realistic chance Toby has at a decently received ending is by playing safe and leaning into fans's desires and expectations, that is, let Gaster be cool and memorable, give him a good battle, tie up all loose ends, and let at the very least the main 4 party members a mostly happy ending.>>735107937>something stupid look “oh deltarune was a dream”prepare your anus
>>735107937>“oh kris is the real LE GIRL and the games a metaphor for being trans”Kris being the girl (or having any confirmed gender) is the opposite of a trans metaphor as it would deconfirm non-binary Kris.
>>735107919My doompilled ass.
>>735107801UT Soriel was mostly a subtle, friendly and tragic romance that ties to some very heart pulling moments in the game.DR Soriel is much more depraved relationship (for the series's standards) that exists to emotionally torture 3 characters most people like (Asgore, Asriel, Kris) and also to deconstruct what those characters where both in UT and the first two chapters.
>>735108375'Becoming' a girl in any framework is tranny shit
>>735105343theres a CHANCE that Toby intended for the humans to have their genders be ambiguous and if just too afraid of his fans to correct them about the non-binary autism (despite also openly pushing non-biney shit). there is no chance that toby intends for kris' genders to actually be plot relevant and just kept it hidden to... idk ragebait his fans.
>>735108375Sort off? If the entire point is "Everything Kris did was justified because the universe tried to assume her gender." then people will probably call it woke.
>>735108258Anon, fans don't even know Gaster exists. The only ones that do are mentally ill people consumed by video essays. Gaster will never take center part in the story (and that's a good thing).
>>735106716We ALL want a Kris FIGHT.https://youtu.be/dCzGiNyfoB4
>>735108603As they should. But I don't think Toby would go that route
>Digital Foundry infighting over dlss5>deltarune accounts spazzing out about kressMy safe spaces... I feel so vulnerable today
>>735108375>kris is a chick>makes everyone around her refer to as "they them">the only thing that acknowledges kris as female is the evil prophecy that no one wants to abide by and would have no reason to care about kris' autismgee i wonder how that could be seen as a trans allegory
>>735108578Kris did not "become" a girl. She was (and still is) a girl who pretended to be a man in order to avert her fate.
>>735108578Kris would ALREADY be the girl, not become one. You're too brainrotted by trannies.
>>735107829Lies>>735107919Frisk full of spiders in that spot>>735108190As if people could tell the reaction of Frisk unless its told by another character like Susie telling that he was trembling too much after the Spamton fight
>>735108781When Kris gives the soul to Susie in chapter 6, Kris will temporarily turn into a darkner that you and her have to defeat before you can seal the fountain and turn him back to normal.
>>735108732>fans don't even know Gaster exists. The only ones that do are mentally ill people consumed by video essaysHe's on the goddamn UT Wiki and has been for years. He's only ever been a secret when people were just starting to datamine the game and saw all the meta shit activated with fun values.
>>735108594>there is no chance that toby intends for kris' genders to actually be plot relevant and just kept it hidden to... idk ragebait his fans.I would normally agree with that, but the game has way too many hints about FemKris that have no reason to exist. I don't know *why* he put those in, but he did.
>>735108919Kris is a boy called "they" because Toby has gay fans>>735108924Tranny logic is that MtFs were "always" girls too.
>>735109042Most UT fans play it casually. People who look up the story on the wiki afterwards are a minority. You're lacking in perspective.
>>735108927>Frisk unless its told by another character like Susie telling that he was trembling too much after the Spamton fightThat only happens with Kris, which people relate to here unlike Frisk and this see Sans as fucking their mom unlike in Undertale where they didn't self-insert as Frisk.
>>735109052>but the game has way too many hints about FemKrisIt has literally zero, it's a baseless theory you push because for some reason you want your gay genderbend porn to be canon
>tranny tranny he she they tranny tranny dess molest mtv tranny tranny skip skip tranny tranny wincest tranny tranny furries tranny tranny
>>735109101And you're moving the goalposts from "uhm only schizos watching video essays" to "uhhhhhhh no buddy nobody uses wikis"
>>735109163your alpha male gigachad, anon
>>735109215I want to suck on her fingers.
>>735108732You were not there for the Sharax remix, huh.
>>735109021Why are you suddenly writing fanfiction in these threads?>>735109085>Kris is my yummers self-insert so even if they were a girl that just means they're a tranny instead but they can't ever be a boy!!!You're completely mindbroken.
>>735108375>if kris is forced to stop with the non-binary shit and admit to being a girl the world explodesand don't act like that wouldn't be the route toby would go if he did make that crack theory canon
>>735109215Susie is like 2 feet and 75 pounds bigger than Kris yes. You'll note Ralsei can also equip it despite being a guy. And Susie WON'T equip it despite being a girl. So how does Kris being able to wear it proof of anything?
address the asgore in the room
>>735109215Imagine a world where Deltarune didn't have shipbait so schizos like the guy you're replying to wouldn't have anything to latch onto.
>>735109273>Kris is my yummers self-insert so even if they were a girl that just means they're a tranny instead but they can't ever be a boy!!!You want to try that again in english, shartyfaggot?
>>735109163Bro, watch the video. There's also evidence in addition to that: such as the princess ribbon, Kris's short height, and Lancer's "cookie and wife" joke. There's tons of evidence.
>>735109258It's a troll, anon.
>>735109215susie's over a foot taller than kris. the glove just proves that kris is a twink
>kris is le girl because h-SHE CAN WEAR FEMMINE CLOTHINGso is ralsei also a chick now
Short.
>>735109187Omg it's Jevil-Berdly!
>>735109350(gloves don't fit)
>>735109490Imagine an all-female fun gang...
>>735109409>the princess ribbonThe item that Ralsei, a boy will wear, and Susie, a girl, will not?>Kris's short height, You people are assholes
>>735109187I say this.
>>735109163>your gay genderbend porn to be canon>Kris is such a yummers self-insert that the mere possibility they aren't male means it's a genderbend!
How big is your guys' DR meme/pic folder?
>>735109215wouldn't that just be human vs monster proportion bullshit
toby for the love of god just give us a time framethis is already as bad as 2024
>>735109397Try saying that without crying, schizo-kun. Shartyfags see Kris as a yummy self-insert boy for shipping purposes like you.
>>735109672163 MB 406 files
>>735108732>fans don't even know Gaster existswhat the fuck are you talking about? Gaster was one of the most popular characters in the early fandom, 90% of DR theories revolve around him, for fucks sake a popular meme is just having gaster be green and nuke hometown. WHAT DO YOU MEAN PEOPLE DON'T KNOW GASTER
>>735109427i think even twinks are taller than 5'0" at 16
>>735109796Why do you keep using the word "yummy" you revolting pedophile?
>>735109708This isn't as bad as it used to be, this schizo took some chill pills. He isn't calling everyone a samefag yet.
Despite clearly looking masculine, Lancer calls Kris "cookie and wife", not "husband and cookie". Hmm, must be a coincidence.
the joke is Kris is the cookie.
>>735101413Who's the artist?
>>735109962I already called you a samefag and you just blatantly admitted to it
>>735109996i wish chapter 5 is 5 hours of lancer and papyrus hanging out
>>735109581
>>735109996Have you considered it could have been a meanspirited jab
>>735110096Yeah every post ITT is me, of course, including (you)
>>735110172
>>735109926Did that word struck a nerve? Also random accusations of being a pedo is a sharty tell.
>>735110168The point is to counter the claim that female Kris has zero evidence. That is not true -- there is a ton of evidence for it for no obvious reason. That's the problem.
>>735110230
we need to launch all shippers and theorytards into the sun
>>735109996Lancer is redpilled. He knows all humans are wives.
>>735110168>meanspirited jab
>>735109672My current human unsorted folder has 13K pics.
>>735108927>Frisk full of spiders in that spotIn her vagina? That's kinda disgusting.
>>735110168Toby would never have Lancer do that nor would he have someone being called girly be a negative thing, unless it's used against strong women like Undyne or Susie.
>>735110356There is no evidence. You are quoting a joke made at Kris's expense. You also ignore all the actually real evidence that Kris is male, like all his clothes being male (including his dark world armor born of his own imagination), Toriel having him and Asriel share a room, and Berdly treating Kris like a romantic rival. Will Toby confirm Kris is a boy? Almost certainly not. But it's infinitely more plausible, and narratively appropriate than him being a girl.
>>735110745>being girly isn't bad>unless she is a butchI honestly hate this sort of queer mentality
>>735110808There is exactly one (1) piece of evidence for male Kris, and that is sharing a room with Asriel. Berdly is actually evidence for FemKris. Berdly shows attraction to Kris, despite otherwise only being interested in gamer girls.
>>735110808>all his clothes being malecanonically asriel's old clothing >toriel having him and asriel share a roomtwo bedroom household, what you think a brother and sister can't share a room without one of them raping the other?>berdly treating kris like a romantic rivalyou know what they say like dominoes, krisyou're next
>>735110808>Berdly treating Kris like a romantic rival.This literally doesn't happen. Berdly puts Kris in his harem in Chapter 4 which fits FemKris more in your own logic.
>>735111010or berdly is bissexual
>>735110959>canonically asriel's old clothingToriel would not give a girl a boy's hand me downs. Also kris's dark world outfit is conspicuously male. >what you think a brother and sister can't share a room without one of them raping the other?It's considered bad form in religious households, yes. Especially considering Kris was adopted
>>735109708He kinda did, second half of 2026. He's not going to give a date until the chapter is 100% ready to be shipped. It would actually be kos for him if he ended up failing to deliver on promised time
>>735111076That's possible too. I actually prefer male Kris, it's just that this particular schizo is just completely irrational and crazy about these topics.
>>735111170>post retarded shit>I call you a retard>you call me a schizoFuck you, you faggot retard
>>735087190This
>>735111169Not even shrinking down the time frame a bit?he could say "no earlier than September" or something
>>735109996husband and cookie doesn't roll off the tongue as well
>>735101413who is the audience for /ss/? did this actually happen to you guys
>>735081084Keep tripping down, you self inserting manlet.
>>735111612omocat
>>735111236When you have autistic meltdowns over the same topics for months you are indeed a schizo.
>>735079686YABBADABBADOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Will I be able to rape Toriel in chapter 5?
>>735111612I like the fucked up part of their relationship and the abuse.
>>735111783You're the one melting down that I (correctly) identified you as a tranny retard trying to proliferate your idiotic gay porn brain theories and headcanons that would just make the game worse if they were true (which they aren't)
>>735111481There's always a chance that something major fucks up. This shit is taking way too long for what it is, so the last thing he wants to do is unintentionally jebait people to expect a release at a certain time.Personally I think it should release relatively soon. Translation is basically done, so the only thing they have to do now is porting and multiplatform testing. Looking back at the ch3&4 timeline, it took roughly 4 months to do that, so now with one less chapter, it should take about half that time. That's my cope anyway
>>735111150kris' dark world outfit, from what we can tell is:a breastplate, black leotard, gauntlets, and greaves the closest thing there you could say is 'male' is the breastplate, but that's a stretch
>>735111150>Also kris's dark world outfit is conspicuously male.AND based off a male mc that toby used in the halloween hack.
>>735111612some women are attracted to boys their age when they're 12those same women sometimes grow older than 12 but still like the boys at that age
>>735111612>who is the audience for /ss/? did this actually happen to you guysJarvis pull up the statistics
>>735111991Yes, schizo-kun, I am your mortal nemesis who posts the things you hate. It's all me and only me. Certainly this isn't the exact behavior that identifies you as a thread schizo.
>>735112005There's no real point in arguing with this schizo, you already know he won't change his mind. The only reason Kris is male for him is because of shipping purposes.>>735103363
>>735112005It's an extremely sterotypical dragon quest hero getup. >>735112249Samefag
>>735112123What identifies you as you is your repeated use of "thread schizo"
>>735110356>there is a ton of evidence>evidence: a fucking joke from chapter 1
>>7351096723,719 files, 2 GB
>>735112005>>735111150>>735110959>>735112249>The only reason Kris is male for him is because of shipping purposes.I look at Kris r34 of both genders and I still want him and noelle to end up together
>>735112438Yes, I'm the only anon who has ever used that term on all of 4chan. You got me.
>>735112082dess's dear nymphet...
>>735112054>they're ignoring this
>>735112463I know this is bait, but the video summarizes the primary evidence and overall scenario. The three evidence I listed afterwards are *additions* to that. It's to show just how much evidence there is.
>>735112553I don't think you're the guy we're arguing with.
>>735112784Nobody is watching your gay stupid youtube video
>>735112054This is unironically the best male Kris evidence. The only thing against this is arguing Kris is an extreme tomboy Jeanne d'arc style.
>>735112790That was my first post in the thread, I just wanted to express my appreciation for Kris and Kris shipping
>>735112916Okay, then don't argue against it.
>>735113005>>735112054Susie also wears a masculine dark world outfit. It's just a generic hero costume. The second hero is a female sword-wielding knight, so it still fits.
>>735113154The thing is, DW outfits are litteraly their ideal form. Now why would Kris's ideal form be based off a badass male hero, hm?
>>735112054so is susie'syou could argue both of them are heckin valid FTM eggs.
>>735113047That's fair, I like Kris, too. I don't think that schizo actually does based on his takes towards him.>>735113059It's a troll, anon. He was never arguing in good faith.
>>735113229>The thing is, DW outfits are litteraly their ideal form.Literally headcanon. Noelle does not wanna be wearing that shit.
>>735113229>The thing is, DW outfits are litteraly their ideal form.[Citation needed]
>>735113302Yes she does
>>735113302It can be inferred from litteraly everyone else's. That only says something Noelle wanting to be a mystical mage.
>>735113154She's wearing a glam rock gettup
>>735113405>It can be inferred from litteraly everyone else'sSo, fanfiction?
>>735113059If you can't even remember the argument, I don't need to dispute it
>>735113405>>735113396Consider the GLACEIR writeup in the ARG, Noelle is not aware she is the wizard guide character and does not identify as them, which you would expect her to mention something if she liked that character enough that their robe would be her "ideal form".
>>735113479You can call it whatever you want. Toby still put Kris in a badass dude's piece of armor, with no amount of dissent from Kris wearing it.
>>735113479>Susie is a rock star>Kris is a knight (secretly just a page)>Ralsei is a wizard>Noelle is a priestess
>>735113519Bro, you know what the argument is. You've heard it here plenty of time. You're just pretending not to.
>>735113545She's a priestess, not a wizard. And her final form will be an angel. Also we're not (or at least I'm not) suggesting this is a concious choice. Maybe for Ralsei I suppose?
>>735113593Other then muh gloves? No, I don't.
>>735112082Like Omocat lol.
Would any Dessknight fags like to explain why she can purportedly traverse Hometown undetected using her shapeshifting or whatever but also needs to hide in closets and wait until the player leaves before exiting
>>735113593It's a troll. You're wasting time arguing with a troll that sees any humans being girls as being tranny shit. You're wasting your time.
>>735113769The original three prophesied heroes were the Vessel, Kris, and Ralsei. According to the prophecy something tragic was going to happen to the second hero. Kris and Ralsei concocted a plan in order to avoid this. Kris stole the soul from the vessel, and assumed the role of the first hero. They then tricked Susie into becoming the second hero, on the belief she's strong enough to avert fate. In the weird route the second hero role is taken by Noelle instead. That's FemKris theory.
>>735113995Well she has to stay somewhere once she arrives
>>735113585This is the same series that gave Undyne a badass armor and the roaring knight the same (who people mostly see it as a girl)
>>735113995She can only shapeshift into a ball. People would still notice her moving around, so she needs to hide.
>>735114126Undyne's personality can define that. Kris's personality, as we know of it so far, does not. He'd look like Jevil or way more emo.
>>735113995She only moves at night. She doesn't hide using her epic shapeshifting powers.
>>735114202>She can only shapeshift into a ballNot that a giant vantablack bird is less conspicuous but that's also not true at all
>>735114027>The original three prophesied heroes were the Vessel, Kris, and RalseiNo it's Kris, Ralsei, and Susie. The cage the prince the girl. They got drawings of them and everything. Even if the vessel weren't just a short rhetorical exercise to introduce the concept of an antagonistic player character (which it is), the vessel had no will or mind, it's just a body, and therefore can't be a "hero", and Kris would have no reason to want to save it. And if there was a second human (which would be fucking stupid for another reason, the party should be one human one monster one darkner) that human would be WAY stronger than any monster, including Susie.
>>735114354Kris personality wouldn't change if their gender was different. Especially since Kris isn't even canonically male.
>>735114415Not only would his personality most likely change(living with an older brother and wearing his clothes as a girl),but his view towards himself would change as well, no?
>>735114371Bro, the mind of the vessel would have been the soul. The body was the bodyparts you made. Kris wasn't "saving" anything, they are the ones that ruined it by stealing the soul. The vessel was not a human. It was a cage made of human parts meant to contain a soul (you).
>>735114498No, because Kris isn't even canonically male schizo-kun. Their personality would be the same. At worst Kris would change if they were both male and if they were female.
>>735100925It doesn't even look like Susie.If that's her hair where's her nose and if that's her nose where's her hair?Admittedly, it doesn't look like Noelle much either, since if she was wearing a mantle why would there be hair, and if she isn't where are her antlers, but whatever.
>>735114528This schizo also hates the Vessel because he hates all humans other than male Kris. You're wasting your time engaging with him in good faith.
>>735114528Ah hang on I misread it, you're claiming Kris was trying to save his own hide and then put Susie in the line of fire. That would be very out of character. Plus Kris couldn't ever be a hero without a soul in the first place, as he wouldn't be able to enter the dark world. Also also a mindless meat mech for (you) to pilot wouldn't be a "cage"
>>735080085>It's Toriel's fault that Asgore decided to murder several childrengod you people are retarded. he is an adult. if he had to be babied by his own wife to not go on a killing spree then that's on him.
>>735114639Reply for me again, you retarded tranny
>>735114817Case in point.
>>735114586>Their personality would be the same.You do not know that. You can't lie that the severity/angle of his circumstances would change from childhood and all that. But now, we're getting into topics that Toby probably didn't even consider. >isn't canonically maleAnd they aren't canonically female either. But there is still evidence for both sides.
>>735114781Toriel's the one who was mad at Asgore for not going the whole way in the first place.If she wanted to free the monsters so badly she could have just as easily taken one soul, crossed the barrier, and killed some humans herself. But she didn't want to do that because she didn't want the responsibility or perhaps the hit to her reputation so she just secluded herself in the ruins for God knows how long.
>>735114869>But there is still evidence for both sides.Rare for you to say that as you think it's tranny shit. Schizo character development?
>>735089642I refuse to believe the kindness human did anything other than a pacifist run.
>>735114764Kris (presumably?) has their own soul, but not "the" soul. "The" soul seems to be special, as it's the only thing that can seal fountains, and is a trait of the first hero. Kris putting Susie in the hot seat is partly a form of flattery, since they're acknowledging her strength. Kris does not believe they are strong enough to change fate, but they believe Susie can. This has been a recurring theme in the game.
>>735114992That's not me you dumb faggot lol. There is no evidence of fem kris
amazing how you guys play the game waiting for the mystery boxes to open while zoning out during the actual meat of the chapters
>>735114992who do you think you're talking to?
>>735115131>He knows he's a schizo and comes running home to whoever calls himLol
>>735114919You are retarded. She does not want to do that. She is illustrating a point as a means of telling Asgore that he's a coward, which he is.What she's saying is that IF he actually wanted to kill all humans, he could have. Any any point. He could grab a soul and cross the barrier. If he was afraid he'd end up like Asriel he could grab two. But he doesn't, because he doesn't really want to kill all humans. So instead he picks the worst possible way of do things, a middle road that satisfies nobody.
>>735115158I mistook you for the schizo calling everyone trannies. Personally I don't think Kris would change if they're a girl or a boy in terms of personality. Toby doesn't write characters whose personality are based on their gender outside of moms and dads.
>>735115098>Kris (presumably?) has their own soulNope. Wrong. Tore it out, most likely gave it to the knight, which is how the knight can enter the light world and is why it's so fucking strong. What exactly did you think the heart pillow prank was alluding to? (You) are just a replacement jar of human juice so that Kris can keep the apocalypse train moving. >Kris does not believe they are strong enough to change fate, but they believe Susie can.The knight fight shows that Kris is orchestrating everything and keeping her in the dark about all of it, and also has been sandbagging the entire time.
>>735115287>Personally I don't think Kris would change if they're a girl or a boy in terms of personalityYeah because you're a retarded tranny who ignores biological reality>Toby doesn't write characters whose personality are based on their genderActually he does, although he would deny it
>>735115202So Toriel's plan was inaction while their people are trapped and being murdered by foreigners. Any look at current politics will tell you how that would have gone.As fucked up as it was to wait for children to fall down instead of going after - let's say - criminals, the plan to break the barrier kept his kingdom somewhat stable instead of causing it to spiral into chaos. You leave it to any other monster to do the job like fucking Mettaton and they might not even have had the same restraint as Asgore would have to just stop at seven souls.
my cock is the knight and it will fuck each and every of these bitches, human OR monster OR darkner
>>735115418Acting like a deranged /pol/tard just makes you look bad. You could always just argue better than artistically screeching about trannies in every post.
>>735115508>So Toriel's plan was inaction while their people are trapped and being murdered by foreignersThey aren't. There is no evidence any of the previous fallen children killed literally anyone.
>>735115610Based!!!!
>>735115610i am NOT jokingthis is a very real warning
>>735115663Chara the shit starter is literally right there. They didn't know the specifics of what happened but them blaming the humans that killed Asriel had the same result.
>>735115651I destroy all of youf arguments when you bother to make them. Also not beating the faggot allegations by whining about /pol/
THE KNIGHT (me) WILL PLUNGE INTO EACH AND EVERY OF THEM
>>735115763We now went from "foreigners murdering your citizens" to "humans killing a monster carrying the corpse of a child" as the big danger to monsterkind. And they literally do know what happened. They tell you in a big dramatic sequence in New Home.Again, Asgore is a retard and a child murderer. Toriel is at worst guilty of letting the children go and not killing him for being a child murderer and he's stronger then her so the latter is not even her fault. Again, Asgore murdered several children purely out of cowardice and fear.
>>735115761>>735116015Based goonchad! Based as fuck!
>>735116112it's all there is left to do
>>735116182It's definitely better than most autistic discussions here. Rock on.
>>735116109They did beat his kid to death for no reason. Really he was too kind.
>>735116239PLUMP UP THOSE GIRLSMAKE THEM CURVYMAKE THEM OFF-MODELCORRECT THE DYKESSTICK IT UP THAT FAGGOT DOG'S ASSHOLE WHO REFUSES TO HAVE SEXY FEMALES IN HIS GAMEShe will probably like it anyway
>>735116109>stronger thenI win due to your ESLism.
>>735116292>They did beat his kid to death for no reason1. If an horrifying goat monster comes around lugging a child's corpse (and depending on how magic-capable humans are, they might see that it ABSORBED THAT CHILD'S SOUL) beating it to death is a natural course of action.2. '"these people killed my child, therefore I'll kill a ton of uninvolved children" is not a very sympathetic position. Toriel was right to leave his ass.
>>735116310Nippon has corrected Toby into liking hot women so he does indeed love it.
>>735116407The monster was visibly grieving and didn't even attempt to defend itself>'"these people killed my child, therefore I'll kill a ton of uninvolved children" is not a very sympathetic position. Yes it is. In fact he dhould have killed them all.
>>735116664>it's sympathetic to kill a bunch of people who had nothing to do with your own loss
>>735102840>>735115610source? searched on every reverse image search service i can think of and found nothing.
>>735116940sorry, I think I got that one from these threads
>>735116934>who had nothing to do with your own lossThey were humans
bosom????
>>735117086aw, well thanks. no idea why adult chara, frisk, and kris drive me wild like they do.
>>735117260they're honorary monsters
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