Are game devs allergic to first person RPGs with immersion features?
>>735095116Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon
because it requires a bigger budget>>735095203unironically closer to souls than skyrim
Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3, Fallout 4, Fallout New Vegas, etc...Plenty of games like Skyrim.
>>735095116farcry 3 is like skyrim with guns
>>735095203gothic like
>>735095203Wooow ONE game that's unfinished and extremely linear.Fall of AValon is more Demon Souls like than Skyrim like. It cares not for world building but taking you through the same linear gritty small places. Avowed has more open world experience and immersion than fucking Tainted Grail.
>>735095116They're harder and more time consuming to make. Especially if you're just starting with UE5 defaults as an engine.
>>735095294Bethesda can only make one game that become expressively worse.
>skyrim>immersion>rpglol.
>>735095116Because unlike Soulslikes first person open world RPGs require actual budget and skill.
>>735096003>not one good one made to dateIt apparently requires too much skill.
because the only reason why people like skyrim is the elder scrolls IP
I don't even like Skyrim, but for all the people who talk about how shit it is, they sure seem to play it a lot
>>735095116is this the game made for faggots?
>>735095116Designing them is way harder than giving the player a roll/parry button and then making 20 zanzibarts for him to fight
>>735095116All barren open world memeslop is a Skyrim-like.
No one except for Bethesda can actually make games like that. No one even attempts shit like the complex npc schedules they were doing 20 years ago, or every single item being a physics object you can interact with. No one does shit like that.
Because every generation, everyone has to remake the physics engine from scratch, so they're 20% more realistic but 300% more expensive to run, so there are barely any physical objects in the game.
>>735095116Because Skyrim is a shallow game that somehow enthralled normies who think they'\re playing an RPG. There is no Skyrim-like audience. People who like Dark Souls enjoy action games, so they play other action games. Normies who play skyrim just play skyrim because they're vapid golems. A game with no depth, no stakes, no pressure, no fail state, just mindless button mashing from draugr tomb to draugr tomb.
>>735097579it's an adventure game, you're not being smart
>>735095116People will call anything a souls game if it has stamina bar and dodging. What two easy features would make something like skyrim
>>735097857Hecking love draugr catacombs and caves, so much adventure.
>>735098334Not everyone likes dodge slop either
Open world games are a bigger investment than liner corridor dodge fests. Also people want Skyrim, not any open world action game, Skyrim specificly because its the thing their used to it.
>>735098334Yeah, roll-dodging the sword swipes of big armored knight No.11738 is very unique and stimulating. Very different from Mike Tyson's Punch-Out.Sure beats exploring 15 virtual square miles of land with over 180 dungeons, and talking to 600 different fully voiced NPCs.
>>735095116freedom is not allowed by>modern audience
>>735095116Because skyrim fucking sucks even if you're too dumb to see that.
>>735099054Zelda Breath of the Wild was hugely successful.
>>735095116in the sequel henry gets drugged and raped by a woman and all he can do is say "thank you".
>>735095116AvowedRaidborneDread Delusion >>735095203Everyone in this thread is a retard, anon. Tainted Grail literally plays like a skyrim mod. I'm not convinced that it wasn't just a skyrim mod when it was first conceived. It plays like the developers have only ever heard of Skyrim but wanted it to be unnecessarily harder.
The real question is where the fuck are gothiclikes
Souls is easy to imitate because it's mechanically cheap indie shit with a coat of paint on it, absolutely nothing special going on under the hood. Skyrim is diabolically difficult to simulate because like the games it was inspired by were as well, Ultima Underworld is basically a dungeon simulator. It's kind of the same reason why there were never any indie clones of The Sims or Animal Crossing, something about simulators is exceedingly difficult to replicate the texture of.
>>735099478>Skyrim is diabolically difficult to simulate because like the games it was inspired by were as wellBullshit, people like open world games because they get to consume an enless amount of repetive shit that keeps their brains occupied without having to think beyond following an arrow and killing shit. Skyrim just happens to occupy a spot in peoples brains where just looking at videos of it makes them feel good as if they were killing and looting shit themselves like the dopamine fiends they are.
>>735099928you sound cynical
>>735095116>>735095203>>735099191I pirated Tainted Grail hours before I entered this thread. I specifically grabbed the "mono" version for mod support. There's no thread for this game even on /vrpg/. What should I know? Anyone know any good mods?
One actually takes effort. The other is just adding artificial difficulty and a mixture of corpse runs and respawning enemies on death.
Writing quests is harder than writing the same basic boss 500 times
>>735095116Is Kingdom Come any good? It looks overcomplicated but I like the setting.
>>735099928You have a point that the games are repetitive, but the specific level of jank that comes from emergent systems in Elder Scrolls that weren't ever supposed to talk to eachother, is actually really hard to pull off because you can't do it intentionally. it's a collision of independent systems and that collision is the game. Play through enough indie slop that tries to be a big open world where you pick things up like Valheim and the difference in quality is obvious. Valheim is not even close to Skyrim.
>>735100181yeah its very good2 is good on the first map, 2nd map kinda sucks and features the worst side character in the history of rpgs, seriously why did they make tha nigger musa so fucking annoying?
The TES formula, with all its jank and flaws, still sets out to make a world that feels alive. The Fromsoft formula is just making ever more spastic bosses and centering gameplay around rolling while throwing in snippets of vaguely connected world info that schizos will spend years compiling into some semblance of a cohesive story. Guess which is easier to imitate?
>>735100181It's very good. If you want a rags to riches medieval story driven rpg with a lot of nice vistas, music and stuff to do, then you should absolutely play it.
>>735100590I can stomach the nigger, it's the fictional jews and their fictional mini holocaust that is unacceptable. shoehorned in because of oct 6 or whenever it all blew up over there.
Far Cry 3. its like skryim, with guns
>>735100803so is farcry 2 like fallout new vegas with malaria
>>735100847so it seems. so it seems.
>>735095203Undisclosed AI Slop, they admitted on their sites
>>735101062What's the Ai content?
>>735095257Avowed
>>735100667I think the difference is that Souls is primarily rules based and therefore easy to imitate, when you copy a mechanic you copy a rule. When you copy a game with simulation elements you're copying an ecology that makes the world feel lived in before you even get to it, the 'feeling alive' you're describing.
>>735099928You're so mad at a game that you are arguing about it like a schizo
>>735096757>all the people who talk about how shit it is, they sure seem to play it a lotliterally me
>>735095203>heard it was peak skyirm+gothic>it's just Gothic first person>complete the tutorial dungeon>have to do a FORTY (40) MINUTE LINEAR LORE DUMP WHILE IN A HALLWAYKojima would at least let me let go of the controller before taking away the entire "game". Fuck the devs, I never picked it up since. I dropped it after 10 minutes of the worst exposition and pacing.
>>735103301Gothic is better than Toddslop.
>>735103754At least Todd never made me walk through a hallway for 40 minutes and had a fiverr voice actor give me an Ai Generated lore dump
>>735095116>nearly 0 Skyrim likesGood. Skyrim's combat is trash and KCD's combat is even worse.
>>735103754No.
>>735095116if i can't see my throbbing cock when i look down, it's a shit game
>>735095116demon's souls is good
>>735096003What skills? You don’t need to tune animations for combat because stats are more important than hitboxes. You don’t need level design because you can just shit out points of interest onto an empty map. What do you need?
>>735103012annoying faggot
I'm surprised too. I think it would be easy to do, especially now with all the premade assets and engines you could use. I'm thinking making my own daggerfall clone but a true dungeon crawler experience instead of modern rouge-like brawls were the goal is to die and play again, but have one character and rank up in the simulated economy and world of a fantasy land.
KCD is such a comfy game.
>>735095116The Elder Scrolls is trash, maybe that's why.
>>735095116i want games like skyrim or botw with no jank a giant ass world a ton of outfits and secrets but the jews keep canceling it :(
>>735106595>blacks and homosexuals>comfy
