How many hours do I need to be able to enjoy DQ in its original form
>>735101860Like 3-4 months to enjoy. You don't need fluency to play games or read.
like 5
use a jhook screen reader
>>735101972Oh man, 3-4 is rather low. Maybe if you have MTL assistance, but definitely not just with a dictionary.
>>735105076the furigana is right there dudelooking those words up in a dictionary would be trivial
>>735105076It's low but definitely possible. And you'd learn through the process of playing the game. It would get easier. It's a positive feedback loop.
>>735101860How do you define "enjoy?" If you want to understand everything while playing it's going to take a lot more studying than learning the kana, reading Tae Kim, and consulting a dictionary when you encounter a word that you don't know. The latter is less enjoyable but you can get there in less than a month if you put your mind to it, plus the Japanese that you learned from playing DQ will still be useful later down the line.
>>735105353The dictionary doesn't tell you how to interpret the grammar. Just in OP's pic alone, you'd need to understand topic + explicit subject constructions, passive constructions where に (not が) marks an explicit agent, the conjunctive form of verbs, the て form of verbs, the potential form of verbs, the fact that じゃ is and elderly form of だ, etc.Most learners at 4 months can't really process all of that on their own. I'm not even sure most textbooks go over some of this stuff.>>735105427Maybe, though I think the majority would just go over a newbie's head. They'd basically have to be spoonfed.
>>735108645I want to be spoonfed like a little baby
>>735101860This is N5 reberu.
>>735110630Not really but that's moreso N levels not being a very useful measure for proficiency. I'd say N level is unimportant when picking games. You just go for it.
>>735101860DEKINAI
>>735110630In what world? めったに~ない, 囲む, 暮らす, and おる are all N3. 襲う is definitely N1, and I'm not even sure 魔物 is on the JLPT. The rest is N4-N5.
>>735108645I don't know what any of this babble you're saying means and I can understand what the OP pic is saying perfectly. Grammar is best learned by immersion, not textbook. >Derukadaru's surroundings are enclosed by mountains. Monsters rarely ever attack so you can live without worry.
>>735111631Ah, you're probably not as good as you think if you can't even understand simple grammar names. A lot of people suffer from a poor foundation and it always bites them in the butt later.
>>735111631>I'm so intelligent for not memorizing stupid simple grammar that can be summarised in a 150 page book>>735110917Even th& European languages measure proficiency by CEFR
>>735112131Bites them how? The worst thing that can happen is that you don't understand a sentence. If you learned by immersion you are used to not understanding, you simply use the tools available to you (google, machine translation, jisho, ask someone) until you do understand. >>735112356If you rattled off the names of a bunch of grammar rules to a native English speaker they would have no idea what you're talking about. This isn't how people actually learn languages.
>>735112356>Even th& European languagesIs the implication that European proficiency measures have more credibility? Like how does European language proficiency tests change whether japanese tests are useful measures?
>>735112542It causes them to misunderstand sentences and/or not understand why certain constructions mean what they do. A good foundation in grammar, regardless of how you learn it, helps you to always be able to understand what you're looking at, even if the nouns/verbs/expressions are unfamiliar.
>>735112542>If you rattled off the names of a bunch of grammar rules to a native English speaker they would have no idea what you're talking about.Maybe cuz Americans are dumb and didn't pay attention to class in high school
>>735112840Pretty sure that idea is stolen from Stephen Krashen
>>735112840Hey, buddy. I'm American, and I know all my grammar rules >:( That idiot doesn't speak for the rest of us.
>>735112705No, just that JLPT measures reading and listening skillsSure it doesn't do speaking and writing like CEFR, but thinking you can be proficient and still score low on JLPT is hypercopium
>>735101860hiragana and katakana? probably about 5-10 hoursvocab? probably about 20-30 hoursgrammar? probably about another 10 hours worthso probably about 50 hours on the high end to get the gist enough to smoothly make processmeasuring in weeks/months/years is pointless btwalso look into gamesentenceminer
