FUCKINGGAMESTOP!!!!!also the following>accepting defective consoles as long as they power on>extra 10% offer not that you should ever trade anything into them, but by all mean abuse this as much as possible if your shit is legit broken and they offer you more than someone on ebay KEK
>>735108735Why does Gamestop write like they're Celina 52? Because of the one crossover?
>>735108735ah, yes... my favorite HD retro console
>>735108735This is why the two consoles behind policy shouldn't be a thing. The Wii U is still very modern, you can play it on your current setup very easily and the graphics still look modern. It'd be like calling a PS4 retro.
>>735109390>This is why the two consoles behind policy shouldn't be a thingAs the "20 years old" treshold, those arguments aren't functional anymore.
>>735109036>>735109390You're old.I'm old. Learn to accept it.
>>735109390>It'd be like calling a PS4 retro.Except they had the perfect opportunity to and didn't
>>735109916I have no problem with being old, you need to learn to accept that not all the old stuff you experienced is something worth putting on a pedestal.
>>735109969It will, gaming is so stagnant that PS4, Xbone and even 5 and Series will fall under the 20 years old mark.
>>735110080sorry, 90s is still king
>>735108735Why do we have to classify them as Retro anyway? Why can't we give them their own distinction? I've seen more people call labeling the Dreamcast, PS2, GCN, Xbox and Wii as "Y2K" consoles instead of "Retro", so why can't we label the PS3, X360 and Wii U as "post-Y2K" consoles?
>>735108735>>>/vr/
>>735110227No denying it, yet not free of shit being produced despite less amount than nowadays.
>>735110250>Why do we have to classify them as Retro anyway?Some faggots want them called as such because they're twenty years old and can't grasp the chasm of differences between 1999 and 2000 gaming.
>>735108735PS3 and 360 were considered retro for a good while now. Honestly the Wii U still feels like it has a few years left before I can call it retro.
>>735110460ahh my favorite retro game, Halo 4
>>735110460>PS3 and 360 were considered retro for a good while nowFirst time I read something like that.
>>735109969There's like hardly anything different between a PS4 and PS5. Calling a PS4 retro will be basically saying modern technology has completely stagnated.
>>735109916Yes, I'm old. Retro means something that is obsolete in today's world, not something that is indiscernible from today's tech.
BOTW, my favorite retro game.
>>735110460The Wii U just barely sneaks into retro because it came out in November 2012, a month before the 13th baktun (September 18, 1618-December 21, 2012) ended. The Mayans were unironically right.
>>735108735My criteria for retro is whether the No-Intro/Redump DATs are public.
>>735112856mario kart 8, toodark souls 2
>>735112726That's not how it works lmao.
>>735113028>mario kart 8 is retro according to IGNWe have reached rock bottom stupidity in gaming lmao
>>735113136He's right. There's no difference between gen 8 games with gen 7. And gen 7 games already carry hard the gen 6's game design dna
>>735113136It is. If you're going to call BotW a retro game you're a complete clown and I'm not going to take you seriously on anything game related.
>>735113216There's definitely a pretty noticeable difference between gen 7 and gen 8 games. A better argument could be made that there's no difference between gen 8 and gen 9. But Bloodborne could not have come out on the PS3.
Bought my first ps3 a month ago and it really is a different age. Magus is insanely bad, and GR Future Soldier is somehow still pretty good, despite looking like a game from 2007 with 720p30 and texture edges being as sharp as a knife. Kinda excited to try out more weird games here. Who cares about the slop era when I have a backlog I wouldn't finish in ten years anyway...
>>735112490It kind of has. There's been a whole discussion about how the zoomer and gen alpha gaming experience has not significantly changed in over a decade.
>>735110460>PS3 and 360 were considered retro for a good while now.No they weren't. And they won't be for a loong time. Gen 6 still isn't even retro
>>735113315>There's definitely a pretty noticeable difference between gen 7 and gen 8 gamesBarely even noticeable polygon count.>A better argument could be made that there's no difference between gen 8 and gen 9Not quite. All comes from gen 6; gaming is stuck since then with only polygon count and budget being bigger.
>>735113393>Gen 6 still isn't even retroGTA III looks ancient compared to GTA IV, let alone GTA V and VI.
>>735108735Retro means two console generations ago. That's how it's always been.
>>735113341That's exactly my point. If you're going to call something retro by the way we always defined it, then modern gaming is retro. This includes PS5 and the Switch 2.
>>735113534Looks and plays like every gta game since 3
>>735113534>GTA III looks ancientIt doesn't even look bad compared to GTASA, get out.
>>735113645The characters look like ragdolls with flat faces.
>>735113761That's because less triangles could fit on the screen
>>735113828Yes, that's the point. How a game looks is a big part of what makes it retro. Ocarina of Time plays like a modern video game, but it's retro because it doesn't look at all like a modern video game.
>>735108735Honestly the issue with the 360 and PS3 under the non-time based standards is that there is a good argument that they followed retro standards in all but cables until halfway through the generation's lifespan and even then requiring a few more years of gradual warping to reach the state that they would be going into the One & PS4 era.For example the difference between say Halo 2 and Halo 3 isn't that big but the difference between Halo 1 and Halo 3 is, yet Halo 2 has been accepted as retro alongside the rest of the 6th gen.The truth is that consoles don't stay stagnant with design principles over a generation, and so the start of one will feel very different from the end of that same generation while the start of the next will feel very much like the late period of the last.But tracking all this shit based off technical breakthrough and shifts in mainstream design principles is a fools errand and so everything gets crammed into the box things were played on.But it also leaves space for a legit argument that says "A release white 360 fits in with being retro but a later Élite Model isn't", deranged as that comes across.
>>735113896>How a game looks is a big part of what makes it retroThat's retarded, graphicwhore tier mindset. A game is measured by how it plays.
>>735113896This. Wii is retro because all the games feel aged and noticeably distinct from modern games, and Wii U is still very much modern. It would be like if fashion trends didn't change at all but you call it so retro anyways because "the 20 year mark is the way it's always been!" Definitions and criteria change over time.
>>735114058Then Ocarina of Time and Banjo-Kazooie wouldn't qualify as retro because they play like modern games. You could give them to a modern gamer and they would be able to play them very easily. You could argue BK is dated because it's a 3D platformer, but the control scheme is still very intuitive.
>>735114058NTA but if that's the case then dual analogue controllers that defined the modern gaming layout getting released three years into the PS1's lifecycle would disqualify the PS1 then?
>>735113896>Yes, that's the point. How a game looks is a big part of what makes it retroIf you think there's a bigger difference between GTA3 and GTA SA, GTA4, GTA5 than there is between GTA2 to GTA3, then you're simply bad at noticing patterns and coming to false conclusions based on your ignorance. You can literally see retro from modern by only looking at GTA games.
>Thread of retards with increasingly retarded delusions about what gaming was like 10+ years ago and/or arbitrary definitions about retro being in abject denial about the current state of gaming today
>>735114168>Then Ocarina of Time and Banjo-Kazooie wouldn't qualify as retro because they play like modern gamesExcept they don't. 3D platformers have seen tweaks over the years, QoL included. You're thinking on being the trend of the time.>>735114181If anything that would be the DS2, which is part of modern gaming.
>>735108735OK, why is it retro?
I refuse to accept a console with GTA5 is retro
>>735114512This, but 3D open world GTA
>>735113896>Ocarina of Time plays like a modern video game
We're in the age of diminishing returns. When gaming was at its infancy ie Atari, every generational leap was noticeable. Every Game released on a modern system would look better from the last. 3D consoles were no exceptions, you had consoles that gave you polygons, and the next console would give you noticeably smoother models. Now very few games take advantage of the modern hardware, and in the games that do it's not that much of a noticeable difference usually. Going by the same standard we've always used is just retarded.
>>735114601Yeah? It even has the obnoxious radio buddy that interrupts gameplay.
>>735114619>Now very few games take advantage of the modern hardwarealmost nobody does and that happened because ps360 began the trend of consoles being shitty pc with no distinctive architecture and specific capacities to it. PS3 kind of had it but for all the wrong reasons. It got so bad to the point of shunning Nintendo and people agreeing with devs not using the gamepad at the time. This added a big layer into games feeling samey and being stagnated as they are
>>735114601Yeah
>>735108735>Wii U>when George W. Bush was still presidentAh yes, November 2012 when Dubya was re-elected to a fourth term.
>>735109916A Colecovision game plays nothing like a modern game.A SNES game plays nothing like a modern game.A PS1 game plays nothing like a modern game.A PS2 game plays close to modern games but they haven't fully finalized standardizing controls, quality of life, or game design yet.A PS3 game plays like something released today on any platform.Calling anything past gen 6 "retro" is retarded because "retro" comes with very specific expectations for how a game plays, the experimentation it had, and lack of standardization. There is functionally no difference between something like Uncharted 1 and Uncharted The Lost Legacy. You gained a rope and there's some minor open world segments. It still plays exactly the same. GTASA and GTAIV have wildly different approaches to gameplay design and controls with the world being much bigger, the overall mechanics being handled differently, there being more quality of life features, there being an online component, there being DLC, and more.>>735110250>Why do we have to classify them as Retro anyway?Because people refuse to classify "retro" as a time period and instead use it to mean "Anything older that 20 years". It's like saying movies made in 2000 are equivalent to Silent Era movies, it fundamentally makes no sense. Yes, they are part of the "movie" group but there are swathes of differences in filming styles, technology, standards, and expectations. They are fundamentally different styles of movies. So why are we considering games that could release today with the only complaint being their graphical fidelity "retro"? It makes no sense. "Retro" invokes experimentation, score or time attacks, live systems, harsh penalties, no quality of life, missables, no standardization, and smaller scopes.A simple example of this would be shooting done in an FPS game on R1/RB instead of R2/RT.
>>735114820PS3 and 360 are literally not PCs. You're completely uninformed about this, don't bother posting, lurk for 10 years.
>>735110080That is awful and I'm glad I don't post on that site.
>>735114168>Then Ocarina of Time and Banjo-Kazooie wouldn't qualify as retro because they play like modern games
>>735114881>PS3 and 360 are literally not PCs.Xbox's main angle was making console game development for devs closer to it since they entered the game race. Sony escalated into PC tier specs but kept the lateral thinking approach from PS2, which backfired when development costs skyrocketed so devs wouldn't even bother with mastering the hardware. Everyone knows this.
>>735113645>>735113756Bullshit stfu larper
>>735113216>>735113296How can a video game be obsolete? You play it to have fun. It's not a fucking kitchen appliance, it's art. You don't call things "retro paintings". Yeah an old console can be retro, but the games aren't, especially considering they can be made to be played on the newest PC hardware anyway. There's no such thing as retro video games if you really think about it.
>>735114762>>735114834It's more like modern counterparts still play like the retro titles and series have not had any major shake up since then, which is telling for gaming's landscape. That said; Zelda has gone through big shifts despite not shaking up the formula since.
>>735115213>How can a video game be obsolete?Games as a service. Ever heard about those games that rely heavily on multiplayer that is also online? Those are the prime candidates for that. That said; the shitty ones can clearly be obsolete, lots of old games were obsolete even when they released like all those fighting games trying to get a slice of that sweet SF2's pie.
>>735112726Anything less than 4K is obsolete.
>>735115110This has nothing to do with any post in the reply chain. Stop talking.
>>735115213Obsolete in the sense that it wouldn't be acceptable for a company to put out in the modern era. Everyone would wonder what Nintendo was smoking if it released in 2026 instead of 1996, but nobody would notice if BotW released in 2026. That's the difference.
>>735115328Yeah those are shitty games with built in obsolescence, no idea why people waste time and money on them. However you could argue fan communities uphold private servers for some of them, but not all.
>>735115382>This has nothing to do with any post in the reply chain>>735114820
>>735113327Of all the games you could play, why choose one that can be played on a computer?t. Bought it twice at release>weird gamesTry GRAW then, FS is for normalfaggots next to it and the PC version is way different
I wonder if /vr/ will add a year limit rather than a generational limit. It feels a lot like the first half of the 7th gen was completely different from the second, marked in the middle by 2010's Kinect/Playstation Move
>>735115437Doesn't that basically admit some 7th gen games? Imagine if Bethesda released Oblivion today.
>>735108735Fuck off. Who gives them right to call them retro? They will never be retro as they play identical to modern games.
>>735115545>I wonder if /vr/ will add a year limit rather than a generational limit./vr/ rejected gen 6 as retro despite mods of the time forcing it, the board will reject that as well.
>>735115545/vr/ allows 2007 PC games lmao, their rules are schizophrenic
>>735113002The world did end in 2012.
>>735114491>Xbox 360 release date: November 22, 2005>PlayStation 3 release date: November 11, 2006>Wii U release date: November 18, 2012The Xbox 360 is 20 years old. The PS3 will be 20 years old later this year. They are as old as the Nintendo Entertainment System was when they were new.The Wii U isn't even 15 years old yet, so I guess you could haggle a bit and argue that one isn't retro.
>>735115560Yes, 7th gen is retro. 8th gen is when you get to things being full on stagnation, and they threw the Wii U in there. An 8th generation console.
I genuinely liked the WiiU. Got me through my Zog deployment back when King Nigger was in charge
>>735114858kek you're the only nigga to catch that blunder
>>735115672>Yes, 7th gen is retro.Tell that to the people in this thread or on /vr/ lol
>>735115669Why does age make it retro? What makes their age retro? Overall they aren't notably different from PS5 apart from their age being bigger.
>>735109390Yeah it's absurd. And I wouldn't call ps3/360 retro either as many games still look good and controls are 1:1 to modern titles
>>735113936It's because consoles don't really exist any more. The Xbox 360 and ps3's successors both run commodity desktop hardware. There's a meme about how the graphics leap from 2000 to 2010 was PS1 tier graphics to halo 3. Then from 2015 to 2025 its fortnite turning into fortnite.
>>735115669>The Xbox 360 is 20 years old. The PS3 will be 20 years old later this year. They are as old as the Nintendo Entertainment System was when they were new.That's a dumb math gymnastic.>>735115672Things weren stagnant by late gen 6.
>>735115669Zoom zoom, NES was already considered retro when it was 10 years old. Nobody is going to start calling the fucking Nintendo Switch retro next year.
>>735108735lets flood /vr/ with CoD threads
>>735115213>How can a video game be obsolete? You play it to have fun.Games don't become "obsolete" so much as they become "dated" because the design is wildly different and experimental that you have to be in a completely different state of mind to enjoy it and put up with its shortcomings or differences. This is especially true if you didn't grow up with these platforms. I grew up in a DOS/Windows '98/GB/SNES household and only ever played NES games via Animal Crossing (Though I had relatives who had an NES) so trying to play things like Atari games or going back to play PC games I never played as a kid is extremely difficult for me.Early XCOM and Thief are two games I outright cannot enjoy despite hours upon hours of trying.Fallout 1 and 2 took me a year or two of constantly going back to and restarting to actually start enjoying.Deus Ex took me like four years before I pushed through the tutorial and started enjoying it.On the other end I absolutely love things like RCT2, Yoda Stories/Indiana Jones and his Desktop Adventures, Chex Quest, and Jedi Knights because I grew up with those things.You get so used to modern game design, quality of life, and standardizations that when you go back in the gaming landscape it gets harder and harder for someone not used to these styles to be invested in them let alone give them a chance. Games "age" and become "obsolete" in the sense that the games that came afterwards have improved and set a standard for you that it makes it harder to appreciate what was. It's like trying to enjoy a silent movie when all you've ever watched is stuff released in color. Can you? Yes, but you're going to have a much harder time getting into it and adjusting to it.
>>735115740>Why does age make it retro?Because masses are dumb, it's the most basic argument possible for it.
>>735108735Well, Xbawks 360 had Oblivion and Skyrim through its lifetime meanwhile OG Xbox only had Daggerfall. Does that mean Skyrim is /vr/ nao?
>>735115740This. Gaming is stagnant. Addi n g DLSS 8k 450hz upscaling doesn't make a game NEWER. The only change in the gaming paradigm is VR, which the industry is taking a long time to develop and spread.
>>735110250>Why do we have to classify them as Retro anyway?marketing, clickbait, social status, social cred, and moneyat this point anything added after the ps1 is just to trick morons out of money for silly reasons
>>735108735This is retro. Lmao
>>735115862What's the difference between this and some shitty sports game on PS1? Sports shit has always been slop.
>>735115804>Games don't become "obsolete" so much as they become "dated" because the design is wildly different and experimental that you have to be in a completely different state of mind to enjoy it and put up with its shortcomings or differences.It's more about execution than anything; the first DMC is dated just like at release, but it is top tier regardless. Rise of the robots was dated because it was so fucking shit.
>>735115804Thief plays like a standard first person game.Fallout is an extremely easy turn based game that you can play entirely with a mouse.Deus Ex, again a standard FPS.Are you retarded?
When was the last time there was a major graphical leap? Shit has been stagnant for like 10 years now.
>>735115669Age doesn't matter you fucktard if it plays same games we play (just rematered) with same modern controls. Gaming have completely stagnated since ps3/360 era. Snes was completely different from PSX, ps2 and GameCube difference of few years was insane.
>>735115831>The only change in the gaming paradigm is VR, which the industry is taking a long time to develop and spread.It was DoA, move on.>>735115916>What's the difference between this and some shitty sports game on PS1?FIFA games sucked, that shitty sport games in the PS1 would be that masterpiece known as Winning Eleven 4.
>>735115971Early to mid 2010s. Look at Witcher 2 vs Witcher 3. After that every game looks marginally the same to me.
>>735115971Right now. Real-time video to video AI is the final evolution of digital graphics. Turn gta 3 or GTA 5 into photorealism, or fortnite, or an acid trip.
>>735115971>When was the last time there was a major graphical leap?7th gen. But it was graphical, not design wise; that was the 6th gen
>>735115971Xbox 360 and PS3 was the last time it was noticeable. PS4 and Xbone was when you started seeing people making comparison images, and if it comes to the point where you have to do that it's a pathetic upgrade. It's like the people who get excited for a new phone when it's almost 1:1 to their old one.
>>735116002>VR is DOALmao. VR will replace traditional displays, because it's cheaper. You can cut 100 VR displays out of the space of 1 27" monitor. Once the industry scales better, it will be dirt cheap. Valve is getting there with the frame headset. Running. Windows x86 games on ARM Linux via FeX
>>735108735lmao, thought the Wii was the direct competitor to the other 2. goes to show you that pos Wii u couldn't be considered an 8th gen console
>>735108735>2006 was 50 years agobros, not like this
>>735115971Batman Arkham City to Arkham KnightNfs 2011 to Nfs2015Mgs3 to Mgs4 and then Mgs5Path tracing in cp2077 and re9 can look really nice. I remember getting impressed by photogrammetry in games like vanishing of Ethan Carter and battlefront amd battlefield 1
What does it matter? They just closed like the third Gamestop near me this year. This store is bleeding out almost as fast as Panera Bread.
>>735108735literally who?
If it came out when Drake and Josh was still on and this song was all over the radio, it's retro.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7UrFYvl5TE
>>735109916And yet games are just coming out slower and slower. I thought you were supposed to experience time faster the older you got.
>>735116126>VR will replace traditional displays, because it's cheaperwhen did VR release, again?
>>735108735Damn this 2023 game is so retro. It is as 300 years ago when my grandpa bought it for me on birthday.
You have to wait 2 whole generations for a proper technological leap nowadays. By this standard I won't considered 8th gen retro until the 12th genertion.
>>735115958>Thief plays like a standard first person game.With much harsher restrictions, an AI that is unpredictable, with large map designs that punish you for making minor mistakes, and it just feels bad to roam around in the game. Splinter Cell for example is far less punishing and easier to control, and I don't feel like I'm having to memorize guard rotations to do anything.>Fallout is an extremely easy turn based game that you can play entirely with a mouse.Which requires you to learn how to handle the clunky inventory and menu screens to do things like place bombs, utilize VATs, punishes you if you're not putting into certain stats unless you have previous knowledge of where to get certain items (Like if you accidentally opt for say Energy Weapons over Small Guns thinking you might be able to get them early), punishes you for exploring with the Water Chip time limit (Even if post-patch it's far more generous), and more. The menuing alone is what put me off for years because it was extremely confusing and unintuitive. Once I got a grasp of it I finally started enjoying it.>Deus Ex, again a standard FPS.Have you even played Deus Ex? The game where you have to sit still for your shots to be accurate? The game where if you don't headshot a guard in one shot he's going to go on alert? The game where everyone goes on alert for basically breathing near them? The game where your stats determine where you can even explore or what you can do in the world? You constantly feel like you're missing out on content and the combat is not that fun until you get the Dragon's Tooth Sword. It's a great game though.
>>735115740>Why does age make it retro? What makes their age retro?That's how time works? 20 years is a whole different generation of human beings. Kids who played Xbox 360 are in their 30s now and may even have kids of their own. Nothing about it is "current">>735115758>That's a dumb math gymnastic.What gymnastic? 1985 and 2005 are 20 years apart, just as right now and 2006 are 20 years apart. I am stating a fact and giving you a point of comparison.>>735115771>NES was already considered retro when it was 10 years oldNintendo released their last game for the NES in 1994 and continued manufacturing it until 1995, so I really doubt it was considered retro in 1995 unless you have evidence from magazines or old BBS posts
>>735116328>You have to wait 2 whole generations for a proper technological leap nowadays*3 since console gens last for longer when it comes for PS & Xbox
I grew up a PC gamer who also had consoles, so I don't even see things in "gens" just release dates and general industry trends. I don't separate it by OS either because everything has always been compatible, or compatible with tweaks.From my perspective I would never boot up a X360 or PS3 to play a game because of atrocious hard drive load times and 30fps (which I came to find out was actually a downgrade from previous console gens having a lot of 60fps games). So to me, at least the consoles themselves are absolutely outdated tech.
>>735116298Goddamn the 2000s was such a good decade.
>>735116419>1985 and 2005 are 20 years apart, just as right now and 2006 are 20 years apart.It's dumb. No need to mention the past at all since you don't live there.
>>735115724He just did
>>735116375Don't imply I haven't played the games when it's clear you haven't even played them longer than 5 minutes. Bitch.
>>735116427Idk anon, difference between PS3 and PS5 is pretty noticeable. If it continues on a downward spiral like this it may very well increase to 3 though.
>>735116419>20 years is a whole different generation of human beingsThis has what to do with games?>Kids who played Xbox 360 are in their 30s now And?>may even have kids of their ownVideogames?>Nothing about it is "current"What about it is retrograde? Answer that already its been like 40 minutes. Just answer that you lazy twerp.
>>735115669You were asked why it's retro, not how old they were.
>>735109916Oof you made them upset
>>735116503Like I said, I dropped Thief because I couldn't get into it.I've fully completed Fallouts 1 and 2 years ago back-to-back, they were great.Not only have I fully completed Deus Ex, but you should be able to understand that not being able to shoot something without standing still feels awful, right? The Prod is janky until you get used to the hitboxes and the crossbow requires you to sit still for like 5 seconds for the crosshairs to work. Sure, later on you get accuracy augmentations but until then you can't hit for anything during the tutorial.
>>735115627>/vr/ rejected gen 6 as retro despite mods of the time forcing it, the board will reject that as well.>The Microsoft Xbox, Nintendo GameCube, Nintendo Game Boy Advance, and Sony PlayStation 2 will now be considered "retro".>ps2 game threads in there.
>>735116419Are you retarded?
>>735108864Snark Twitter has been the main posting style for certain brands after it worked for Wendy's. Usually for companies that are considered 'hip' but most companies don't post mainly post on it unless it's their entire identity like GameStop.
>>735116518Man I love a good retro game. GTA5 takes me way back
>>735116520>What about it is retrograde?PS3 and Xbox 360 famously had a period of games with brown color palettes and heavy bloom for a period of time which is clearly not still in-style. Is that retrograde enough for you?
>>735114873I fully agree with you but at the same time people are retards and will keep using language wrong and there's nothing we can do to stop that unless we had control of the educational institutions but we don't. We have countless examples of this, brings to mind things like how people use the expression 3rd world. Previously it meant not Soviet or Western aligned but now it is just used to mean poor. The best we can do is not give in and continue to call those retards out for not understanding the meaning of words but it's a fruitless exercise especially now that there are more English as a second language speakers in the world than there are native English speakers.
>>735116701GTA5 on the PS3 is poorly optimized, so yeah it's a retro version.
>>735116647>no responseI accept your concession
>>735116705This image is so retarded and cherrypicked.
Gen 5 was the perfect place to end retro because it was for the vast majority, the first major leap into the third dimension for your average consumer. The only other thing we've tried to make mainstream since is VR and it didn't take off.Gen 6+ old, but it needs a new term.
>>735116705People were saying this in 2011, 6 years after PS3 and 360 launched. Breath of the Wild is 6 years old. Therefore Breath of the Wild has a brown filter.
>>735116518I only see more polygon count. Worse colors on the left too.>>735116604Never noticed anything else? The low replies, the few ones that cling to the catalog are old and slow as fuck on top being dime a dozen.
>>735116925Older games had their label changed instead. Consoles like SNES and N64 aren't retro, those are vintage. NES is now 40+ so it's considered an antique along with consoles older than it now.
>>735116775Not really, no.
>>735116858Not even Nintendo was immune from it. It was a very real aesthetic trend of the time that is out of style now and, thus, RETRO>inb4 b-but the games don't play any different!If I picked out a teal and purple windbreaker from my grandma's closet and wore it, you would probably say it's retro despite it functioning correctly as a windbreaker. The aesthetics of something are equally important to how we think about it as its functionality, so no, you can't ignore that the games look different to try and cope.
>>735117057What's your source for these arbitrary definitions?
>>735117009>Never noticed anything else? The low replies, the few ones that cling to the catalog are old and slow as fuck on top being dime a dozen.that is more because people who want to discuss those generations psot here more. I don't consider that a rejection, more like lack of interest to use the board for that from old and enwer users.
>>735116925>Gen 6+ old, but it needs a new term.The term is modern gaming. We've been in there for a long time now.
>>735116991>Breath of the Wild is 6 years old.anon-kun...
>>735117138>I don't consider that a rejection, more like lack of interest to use the board for that from old and enwer users.Because said board's dna doesn't regard the gen 6 and onwards as retro and the site users do reckon gen 6 and onwards as modern gaming.
>>735117083>cherrypicks another image
>>735117147Super Smash Bros. Melee is not "modern" by any stretch of the imagination.
>>735117107By the fact NES's will be accepted in every antique store now. Gaming is still a relatively new medium, so the rate at how things are going to be labeled these things is going to change. GameCube will have to be 40+ to be considered vintage and 60+ to be an antique when it's its turn.
>>735117083Only the twighlight looked like that.
>>735117298>40+ to be considered vintage and 60+ to be an antiqueWhat's your souce for this?
>>735117429Going to antique stores.
>>735117282Yes it is, you're thinking of being the contemporary Smash game. Also, smash bros Melee played far better than any platform fighter before and, debatably, after it.
>>735117147No, gen 6 is not "modern" by any means. It still has old gaming conventions like life systems or score attacks, it still has older game design that is generally more punishing, it is still heavily leaning on experimentation like Onimusha and DMC as simple examples of tank-controlled action games, online features pretty much don't exist or if they do they're very niche, and standardization has not hit yet for controls, mechanics, or quality of life features.I'll go back to the "Shooting on R1/RB" thing. If you're playing an FPS that has shooting on R1/RB by default, or readying on R1 and then shooting with square you're not playing a modern-era game.
>>735116449All consoles past ps2 were dogshit dated tech thst could never go beyond pc for more than few mo th pset release. Ps5/xbsx was the most pathetic gen as pc already had rdna1 released for a year before launch they just lacked worthless raytracing but who gives a fuck.
no shit, the 360 came out 20 years ago
>>735113645There's enough missing in 3 for you to really feel it. San Andreas is the first one to play like modern GTA games, and it still has those really dated graphics and physics making it feel like a 6th gen game.
>>735117498>No, gen 6 is not "modern" by any means.Fully 3D generation, Respawn became a thing, arcade was being replaced by story driven games industrywide, sprites on Sony's hit list, the first tests on HD on consoles, so on. Gen 6 is modern gaming's first generation. It has more in common with current gaming than old school game design. Thank god for Maximo.>it is still heavily leaning on experimentation like Onimusha and DMC as simple examples of tank-controlled action gamesThey were polished, you had a DMC in PS1. Onimusha shined thanks to PS2's visuals.
>>735117668And I came out 34 years ago from my mom's vagina (not really doctor had to cut her belly and forced me to live)
>>735117686>Gen 6 is modern gaming's first generation.It's an interim generation leaning more towards retro for most of its lifespan. It was starting to adopt more modern standardizations but was not fully integrated into them. Sure, I agree with you that the last few years of gen 6 are modern, but most of its lifespan was still retro-leaning.
>>735117457You made it up, got it.
Is the Series X fully backwards compatible yet? I want to get rid of my 360
>>735117902No, and it never will be. Anything that is BC has to be able to be purchased on the digital storefront which means redoing ESRB certifications and licensing the game again. Even then some games that are BC like I am Alive have been delisted despite this.
>>735108735>accepting defective consoles as long as they power onSomething is awfully suspickius about this.
it feels like we've been playing the same games for 20 years but with even worse monetization
>>735117837As are all definitions, made up. Antique stores pretty much set the standard for what is considered antique, and if something is too young to fit the bill and too old to be retro, it's vintage.
>>735118004Sorry, I just don't believe you.
>>735117784>It's an interim generation leaning more towards retro for most of its lifespan.Gen 6 never stuck back; games were going forward from the software and hardware's side. Again, the biggest proof is making story driven games a mainstay over arcade based titles after PS1's bringing the shift.>It was starting to adopt more modern standardizations but was not fully integrated into them3D games were the standard, only outlaws kept making fully sprite games.
NOOOOOOOOOOO I'M NOT OLD I'M NOT RETRO I'M HIP, I'M WITH IT, I'M COOL
>>735108735How is the wii u retro, I played splatoon 1 on it just a few years ago
>>735108735I'll keep my retro fat PS3 console, thank you very much. It has a custom 2TB hard drive, and it can play both PS & PS2 games.
>>735118109Sorry anon. Most of the screeching anons in this thread getting all bent out of shape about these consoles being considered retro is because what they think of as retro is actually vintage now.
>>735118173>I played splatoon 1 on it just a few years ago>9 years ago
>>735118161NOOOOOOOOOOO I'M OLD I'M JUST NOT RETRO
20 years is oldretro means oldtherefore theyre retro
>>735118357Switch is retro then. It's at least 1 year old.
>>735118484NES was considered retro when it was only a decade old, so yes.
>>735118208I still don't believe you
>>735118541Cope
>>735118539By whom?
>>735118607By gamers.
This game is old enough to post on /v/.
>>735118539NES wasn't considered retro because it was 10 years old. It was considered retro at 10 years old because the industry was shifting to modern in 1995.
>>735118587No it's very easy to dismiss a sourceless claim.
>>735118709I'm just going by the same standards other anons are. If 10 years was good enough in the past, then it's good enough now. Simple as.
>>735118709So if what we were shifting into was already "modern" all the way back in 1995, where are we now? Post-postmodern?
>>735118759Would it be more valid if I posted an article sorted by other people "making stuff up"? Where's the source for those people saying shit, hmm?
>>735118909Stop taking this personal. I do this to everyone who bullshits me with lies.
>>735118539You weren't there.
>>735110460Truth. Don't listen to the old retards in the thread. 50 years can pass and they still bitch and moan that is not retro. I heard even people say that n64 is not retro
>>735118539Egh, I think NES was considered 'retro' more around 2000 than 1995. In 1995 it was still getting releases, I remember Mega Man 6 still selling in 1995 , my local game store still had an NES section in 1995 and I could still rent NES games on my local video store in 1995, by 2000 all that had changed and NES was distinctly "retro", all the NES sections got replaced with SNES/Genesis to make room for more Playstaton and N64.
>>735118810Did you even read my post?
>>735118880>So if what we were shifting into was already "modern" all the way back in 1995, where are we now?NES was just old by 1995 due out of manufacturing iirc.
>>735108735The problem with gen 7 being retro was it was the first console gen that overstayed its welcome. It wasn't like prior gens where at the end of the generation everyone was in awe of how far the visuals had come. Instead, the general opinion was after seven years the games were long in the tooth and everyone was tired of the shit frame rates and obnoxious bloom, blur, and piss filters.
>>735119001No matter what's posted, it's all made up stuff in the end. Words and definitions are made by people, not a vacuum.
>>735119113Then the 8th gen came and it was just an extension of the 7th gen.
>>735119049Hell no
>>735119141I don't believe you.
>>7351192088th gen came and it was the same problems as 7th; poor optimization on systems that barely could compete with mid range PCs, and anyone who played games realizing building your own machine was better value over playing the Xbone at a razor sharp 900p at 24fps.
>>735119272Cope
Since when the Wii U is considered retro
>>735119364It's very easy to dismiss a sourceless claim.
>>735119416Where's the sources for the sources?
Retro is a ERA not how old is a console
And? Brother COVID was 6 years ago. Just because you're just now perceiving time doesn't change the fact it endlessly moves forward and shit you remember from your childhood will eventually become old as fuck
>>735119449The NES was not retro the second it came out but definitely is retro. If retro is an era this can't be true because the NES has to have come out during the "retro era".
>>735119501Eras are usually defined when they end, otherwise it's the modern era.
>>735119501Eras are defined in retrospect.
>>735119567The word "retro" was already being used before the end of what would have to be the "retro era" though. So that can't be the case.
/vr/ lads, status?
uh oh spaghetti os
>>735119651Both can be true. The retro era of gaming was named retro when it became retro. It wasn't retro when it wasn't retro.
>>735119727>Not even 15 years agoNot even 8 bit consoles were retro when they were only 14 years old.
>>735119739That doesn't make any fucking sense. The NES was retro by the time the N64 was new. The N64 is now retro. Are you positing that we concluded the "retro era" between the NES and N64 and later decided to extend that "retro era" retroactively, but would somehow never do so again?
>>735118160>Gen 6 never stuck backIt did. Onimusha, DMC1, and Yakuza 1 and 2 are all good examples of this as they're this interim period where it's still using older accepted mechanics like fixed cameras and/or tank controls for their games. FPS games are still utilize the old outdated control schemes and are still doing levels without checkpoints or are only just starting to use checkpoint systems.Again, I don't deny it did eventually step out of this space hence me saying it's an interim period, but many games back then still had score incentives, older standards, or no quality of life before they started working them in later on. Take FFXII for example: Still has tons of missables and required the International version to fix it. Kingdom Hearts as a whole released brand new versions only in Japan to add quality of life or new content. P3 released FES to address quality of life standards and add new content.
>>735119850Do you think people in the age of the renaissance were like "yes yes, these are surely the days of renaissance"? No, it was called that after it already passed.
This is a personal attack against me but Gamestop is still based for doing it.Never turning in my shit. I might go check them out for old PS3 gaems though.
If the SNES was retro in 2005 then the WiiU is retro now.
>>735120123If the NES was retro in 1995, then the Switch is retro next year.
>>735120123False if/then statement.
>>735119971Yeah. Which is why the renaissance is an actual era and retro is a different type of thing. People were already calling shit "retro" long before we supposedly defined the "retro era". Who was saying "this is definitely the renaissance" before it ended?
>>735115213>How can a video game be obsolete? >It's not a fucking kitchen applianceKitchen appliances are more future proof than a fucking video game console.
Arcade era, you know tardRetro era, snes, genesisEarly 3D era, ps1, n64Next gen, ps2, GC, xboxSeventh gen or HD, wii/360/ps4
>>735120171Glad we agree. When we initially were trying to mark the retro era it was premature because we were still in it, but now we're long past the retro era and can firmly establish it.
>>735120292>Next genThat's PS6, Switch 3, and Next Box.
>>735120297No, I don't think we agree. I think we weren't trying to define an "era" when we first started calling games retro. Just like we weren't when we first started calling clothes or architecture retro.
>>735115213The idea of "retro games" is a byproduct of video games being viewed as toys and not art. You're right, nobody talks about retro books or retro paintings, but they DO talk about retro toys.
>>735120292This is retarded when you could just list stuff by generation instead of changing the definitions of words.
>>735120369>we weren't trying to define an "era"But it ended up becoming one. The buck stops here.
>>735120171>Which is why the renaissance is an actual era and retro is a different type of thing.Most people saying that retro is a locked position in time are doing so under the belief that we're discussing an era.
Everyone agreed to call that generation the "arcade & retro" era for a simple reason: the speed at which technology advanced, going from 8 to 16 bits, then to 32 and 64, and finally to 3D. in retrospective it was matter of evolution
>>735117197nah gen 6 is still pretty retro (except the dude bro machine)
>>735120427I disagree that it did. There is no such thing as a "retro era" in any other medium, video games shouldn't try to reinvent the wheel. If we want to name an era, we should name an era, not try to co-opt a word that's already referred to multiple different eras.
>>735120451And I think that's retarded and isn't how "retro" is used in any other context in the English language. I am not going to start "aksing" people questions just because they'll probably know what I'm saying.
If an AAA game does not have subscription-based open-world lootboxing with AI-upscaled graphics, it's not a modern AAA game, simple as.
This threadhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tbXBRwZk3M
>>735120553What do you prefer to call it then. Hollywood has names for its eras, even comics do. Gaming having a label that comprises everything from the 50s to early 10s is nonsense.
>>735120553>There is no such thing as a "retro era" in any other medium, video games shouldn't try to reinvent the wheel.You can call eras literally anything so that's a complete fucking lapse in judgement on your part.
The /vr/ mods are working overtime trying to suppress this news.
>>735118539That's a lie and you know it fat zoomer fuck
Are there really people who are giving Gamestop tech for pennies still to this day? You can at least use a PS3 as a fucking media server.
>>735120601> "Mesozoic era" isn't used by anything other than dinosaurs, that's stupid
If it has an HDMI port it's not retro. Simple as.
>>735120754Gamestop is only around because of retards. You can sell things on Facebook marketplace for a much higher place than any retro game shop will give you.
>>735120804Agreed. If it was made for a 16:9 ratio, it's not retro.
>>735120804>still using HDMI in 2026
>>735120684>Gaming having a label that comprises everything from the 50s to early 10s is nonsense.That's the trick. It doesn't! "Retro" only refers to about the 80s and up, right now. Eventually it'll drop the 80s, then the 90s. Because "retro" is a sliding window of culture that's aged into irrelevance and then back into relevance. Whatever is retro now will eventually lose that second wave of interest and become just plain old.>What do you prefer to call it then.Golden age of gaming or something, I dunno.
>>735119727Zoomer stinking board thst should be nuked
>>735120804uhhhhhhhh
>>735108735ok so like im old enough to be one of those people that says THE 360 ISNT RETRO but then i remember saying the snes was a retro console in 2005, even though it came out in 1992so 13 years for the snes to xbox 36021 years for the 360 to 2026
>nyoooooooooo only my childhood is supposed to be retroPathetic geriatrics.
>>735120976>just plain oldAntique, you mean antique.
>>735120601if it helps the term antique refers to something 20 years old or older, so the xbox 360 which released in 2005 is currently an antique
>>735120804So earliest xb360 is retro
>>735120804the 360 arcade used scart, i remember having to buy an hdmi adapter for it when i got a flat screen tv lol
>>735121047Yup that's correct, 1992 to 2005 is 13 years and Xbox 360 to today is 21 years. Good point.
>>735121086>the term antique refers to something 20 years old or olderSource?
>>735121275source: i work in an antique store
>>735121047That's a very good point. We should consider the Switch retro too then.
>>735121086You're thinking of vintage. Antique refers to things that are least half a century old, but purists will say that antiques have to be at least 100 years old.
Look, we either need to agree on an age for retro, or a number of generations old for retro.And it has to account for the fact people were calling the NES retro during the PS2 days.
>>735121340god dont get me started on the fucking 8th generation of consolesimagine if you will being a 5th grader in 201313 years later it is 2026, you are 6 years graduated from highschool, maybe even college at this pointyou are still playing that ps4 you got in 2013we really had it good seeing insane technological progress and leaps forward in gaming while people that grew up in the 8th gen are seeing stagnation
>>735121297Anon, antique stores have been adopting vintage items because boomers are dying, and selling actual antiques are a hard sell to the younger generation.
>>735121402We don't need to do either. Retro isn't an age. Also NES was considered retro because of what 4th and 5th gen devices did, not because NES got older.
>>735119878I agree with you but>Take FFXII for example: Still has tons of missablesNot exactly. If you care to look at Split Infinity's missables FAQ>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps2/459841-final-fantasy-xii/faqs/48553You will notice that most of it pertains to cutscenes and dialogue. The actual missable items are things like the Jaya Stick, Small Package, Slime Oil, Great Serpentskin, Genji gear, Pinewood/Sandalwood chops,etc. As long as you don't sell equipment you're fine. Even if you fuck up the chests to get the easy Zodiac Spear you can still get them in the deep part of the Henne Mines.Out of all that, the only ones that matter are Genji stuff stolen from Gilgamesh which does suck to miss.
>>735121471yeah thats been a huge issue in a lot of different markets. we had to stop taking different items because theres just no market demand for themstuff like wall art besides taking up a shitload of space nobody fuckin wantsantique glass like ruby glass, pretty much everything except some expensive art glass like murano or carnival glass or vaseline glassminiature statues like those hummel figurines are hard sells now toozoomers tend to live a more minimalist lifestyle than older people who collected and spent a ton of money on this crap only to realize they have nil resale value
>>735121684Even so, it still got addressed more as the generation went on, and even early on into gen 7 missables started to get less and less prevalent due to people not wanting to replay a 40+ hour game or guide game. It's just small things like that that show how the transition happened.
>>735108735>nowGamestop has been selling retro games for several years. They're easy to find on their website and some stores will have NES or PS1 games behind glass, but I've seen multiple stores with retro sections that are just 360, PS3, and some Wii U games
there's a very clear difference between pre-7th gen and 7th gen to everything else, grouping all of this together as one thing is fucking stupid
>>735110460>Honestly the Wii U still feels like it has a few years left before I can call it retroI have mine hooked up to a widescreen ED CRT via component and since it's the last console to support analogue video it feels pretty retro to me~
>>735121754This. These games are "retro to gamestop" when really they're just selling games they haven't managed to sell and accepting trade ins because they have the shelf space for it. They're not going to sell actual retro games at those small stores.
I came in this thread all over the place, glazing all surfaces for someone posting the picture of the green frog miko from tohohou.I'm deeply disappointed in you /vee/
>>735122026>>735108735Here. I had to do it myself. Had to search the boorus and witness this green-haired slut all naked copulating with all sorts of people. Hope you are happy.But you get it in japanes
>>735122026>>735122318
>>735119727>GTAV can be discussed as a retro video game before GTAVI releasesHoly shit
>Wii U is considered retro>Not the PS4 or XboneThe PS4 was when I realized graphical leaps weren't anything to talk about, same with Xbox One. Better yet, what are the differences between the PS4 and PS5 and the Xbone and Xbox Series X? Graphical power was one thing but technical power was another and I haven't heard or seen anything that warrants a wow factor for any of those consoles. Same with the Wii U and Switches.
>>735108735don't they throw away anything that doesn't sell after 3 months? I remember that algorithm burst of dumpster diving in Gamestop dumpsters back in 2013
>>735108735this is just some retarded PR intern's shameless attempt at inflating the prices for 7th gen games/consoles that haven't been ruined by collectors yet, and the fact that most normalfags are still unquestionably buying into the "retro means old, and the 360 is 20 years old, so it's retro!!!" meme serves as even more proof that this industry/hobby will always be a complete joke. I'm happy to accept that the 360 and PS3 are ancient and that everything's gone to shit since then, but you have to be a drooling mongoloid to think that 360 games somehow have more in common with Pong consoles and the 2600 than they do with literally every AAA game released in the last 10 years.yes I'm still annoyed that the jannies bumped up /vr/'s cutoff date instead of making /v2k/. Oblivion isn't retro, eat shit
>>735123610The Atari isn't retro anymore. It's antique. Maybe vintage if you want to split hairs. The NES will go that way eventually too.
>>735118161>>735118323Why the fuck would I want to be hip with lameass zoomers? I don't care If I'm old or not. It's just plainly obvious that the PS3 and Xbox 360 aren't really retro consoles seeing that most of modern gaming owes its existence to the technology and services these consoles brought to the table. If you fags said the OG Wii, the Nintendo DS and the PSP, you'd have a case for them being retro since the Wii is essentially a souped up Gamecube with motion controls and standard component cables and the NDS and PSP represent the last retro portable consoles that weren't just portable versions of mainline consoles. But you retards have to use consoles that are very modern in every sense of the word outside of being 720p30. You can still log onto the PSN with a PS3 and Xbox Live with your 360. Not very fucking retro is it? Words have meanings outside of what the hoi polloi say they do. Stop being a retarded drone and use the term retro properly.
>>735108735Uncbros…. I don’t feel so good
>>735121173>>735121035They're all dead from the RRoD debacle so they're not even relevant to the conversation.
>>735108735>nowDigital Foundry already called the PS3 as retro 6 years agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC-hiXr69kY
>>735108735>wii uHUH?
A question for the retarded boomers:If Pitfall (Atari 2600) and Mario 64 (N64) can be placed in the same retro category, despite the monumental discrepancy, why can't Black (PS2/Xbox) and Call of Duty 4 (PS3/Xbox 360/PC)?
>>735109390Anon the Wii U was retro the day it LAUNCHED. Shit was years behind everything else in every way which is why it flopped hard.
>>735110080Reddit spacing was a psyop btw.
>>735109916I don't wanna be old. My back hurts all the time now...
>>735124229>You can still log onto the PSN with a PS3 and Xbox Live with your 360. Not very fucking retro is it?What does it still working have to do with it being retro? "Modern" means "modern", as in current, contemporary. If it's not being produced anymore it's DEFINITELY not modern.
>>735125387Because Black still retains major aspects of gaming from the time period Pitfall and Mario 64 do, most notably things like time attacks, small maps, non-standard control schemes, score attacks based on objectives during the level, secrets that aren't really going to be found without a guide but necessary for higher scores, unsophisticated AI that is easily exploitable, and I'm sure there's more I'm not thinking of.I played it a few years back for the first time and just from the rip I could tell it wasn't in parity with even something like CoD1, it was more like Goldeneye or Perfect Dark.
>>735114858Clearly they were meaning the original Wii but for some reason they call it the Wii U. People thinking the Wii U was just a peripheral for the Wii was a pretty big problem
>>735127575Malding UNCYou are OLD
>>735127464That just means it's not being produced anymore, not that it's not modern. If we're going to be pedantic about it, why does the hardware design matter more than the fact that the PS3 and the Xbox360 started modern trends in gaming like acting as a multimedia player in addition to a console, online gaming via a Sony's/Microsoft's servers, achievements, DLC and patches being things applied to games, HD gaming, etc? That matters more than the actual date the hardware comes out because someone somewhere can theoretically replicate that and keep reprinting them or emulating their functionality on modern computers like they do with RPCS3 and Xenia. But they can't really replicate the initial experiences with the console and how those shared experiences steered gaming to become what it is today since they were the first modern consoles to do what they did. >What does it still working have to do with it being retro?Because they can interface with the modern Internet to connect to Sony's/Microsoft's servers using their hardware/software stack, meaning they're effectively modern. The OG Xbox Live for the original Xbox shut down in 2010, yet somehow when you can connect a 360 to Xbox Live today (which you absolutely can), it's retro. Same shit with the PS3 and PSN. If you think like that, it just shows you are genuinely a retard that thinks words don't have meanings.>>735125387Because the arcade style game design and technical aspects of Atari games all the way up through early to mid PS2/Xbox/GCN games aren't replicated in modern video games. From that screenshot, I can tell Black plays a lot like most modern FPS games have ever since the 7th gen and it came out around the same period too (2005). Are you fucking retarded?
>>735125387>If Pitfall (Atari 2600) and Mario 64 (N64) can be placed in the same retro category,But they aren't. N64 is arguably the first modern era console.
>>735128245>why does the hardware design matter more than the fact that the PS3 and the Xbox360 started modern trends in gamingThey "started" the trends, but the way each of those trends now works doesn't really resemble how it was originally done on those consoles, does it?Neither the 360 nor PS3 was built with streaming in mind, multiplayer has never emphasized matchmaking more than now, the cultural understanding of what goes in a DLC or patch has completely changed, we're on to 4K and beyond now, etc.Time still marches on. Live service games as we now know them didn't exist in 2005 and didn't emerge overnight, they're a clear result of cultural change over time.>Because they can interface with the modern Internet to connect to Sony's/Microsoft's servers using their hardware/software stack, meaning they're effectively modernI have to use a special wi-fi access point for my Xbox 360. I don't connect any of my other devices to it because it is insecure. That is not "modern internet". That will never be "modern internet". I don't fucking care that it had a direct predecessor that was completely shut down, that doesn't make it "modern".
>>735108735So?
>>735129138>hey "started" the trends, but the way each of those trends now works doesn't really resemble how it was originally done on those consoles, does it?They really do honestly. TO the point that you can still buy DLC on PSN or Xbox Live and install it on your PS3/360 and have it work for any game.>Neither the 360 nor PS3 was built with streaming in mindThey both literally had the Netflix app at one point before it was discontinued.>multiplayer has never emphasized matchmaking more than nowHow the fuck do you think TF2 on the Orange Box, any multiplayer FPS game on these consoles worked? These consoles were the de facto multiplayer matchmaking machines of the 7th gen to the point that most modern franchises like Battlefield, CoD, Halo, etc. that focused on these features had the spotlight shown on them during this era. I even remember a could dead ones like MAG where it was 128 vs 128 players or Dust 514.>the cultural understanding of what goes in a DLC or patch has completely changedIt's exactly the same. It either is just cosmetics like Horse Armor in Oblivion or shit like Nier's Recycled Vessels DLC or BioShock 2: Minerva's Den where it actually added a few levels to the game like an expansion pack. That's still the case now. That's also the case for patches since games like Drakengard 3 and Mirror's Edge install a patch before the game is even able to be loaded on these consoles.(cont.)
>>735108735WEEEELLLLLSince running games with a AI slop filter is the future, maybe even more heavy ai shit wil too.This would make even the ps5 retro :)
>>735129494>nope nope nope nothing has changed in 20 years time is not passing culture is in stasis>my proof is that I can still buy and play a game on infrastructure that's been maintained continuously with the sole goal of compatibility for 20 yearsWow.>They both literally had the Netflix appThey both got a Netflix app after they were made, because they're older than the main popularity surge of streaming and were DESIGNED around having your multimedia stuff stored at home.>How the fuck do you think TF2 on the Orange Box, any multiplayer FPS game on these consoles worked?Lobby system that mostly looked for players with similar ping. I seriously doubt you're claiming Valve had EOMM in 2007, so what's your point here? Do you think anything short of a server browser is identical?>It's exactly the same.You are delusional.
>>735129138>>735129494>we're on to 4K and beyond nowThat and 60 FPS being the norm are literally the only major differences between gaming in the 7th gen and now. That's completely fair.>I have to use a special wi-fi access point for my Xbox 360.When I use them, I can connect to my Wi-Fi to my 360 and PS3 with zero problems. In fact, a CFW I use called PS3 HEN requires you to connect to the Internet to install its payload on the machine. You can also just use the Ethernet port on the systems to connect it to the Internet.Granted, I don't use PSN or Xbox Live since I don't trust having my credit card details on such an old and very insecure system, but the very fact that you can still run the modern Internet with ease on these systems, but can't for a PSP or DS means it's modern in my book (not sure about the Wii. I haven't used that console in forever).
>>735129723>Granted, I don't use PSN or Xbox Live since I don't trust having my credit card details on such an old and very insecure systemMicrosoft's system has always been secure due to who they are as a business, and Playstation only allows specific use passwords for the PSP, PS3, and Vita and won't even let you top up from the console anymore, you have to top up on the normal storefront and then spend on the console.
>>735129708>>nope nope nope nothing has changed in 20 years time is not passing culture is in stasisNobody said that
>>735129723>literally the only major differences between gaming in the 7th gen and nowExtremely, fundamentally disagree. It's a very visible difference, but others are piling up.>When I use them, I can connect to my Wi-Fi to my 360 and PS3 with zero problems.Yeah, not so here. Maybe a slightly later model of 360 has a better WiFi chip or something. Whatever. Once I've had to make accommodations for a console to go online that I didn't have to when it was new (looking at you, DS) I can't call it "modern" online anymore even if it still CAN go online.>not sure about the Wii. I haven't used that console in foreverI have no fucking clue what it is the Wii wants in its internet connection. It seems to decide whether it likes your network entirely at random.
>>735108735cool get ready for gen z bluds to make these systems prices rise including their games.
>>735129708The Netflix app JUST stopped working on the Xbox 360 2 years ago and on the PS3 this month. >>735129708>nope nope nope nothing has changed in 20 years time is not passing culture is in stasisThat's a strawman. I'm saying the underlying software design and architecture hasn't changed that much in 20 years, which it hasn't hence why a lot of PS3 and 360 DLC and other content are still on their respective host company's servers.Hardware is a different story let alone gaming culture.>Wow.Do you see Sony and Microsoft doing the same thing for PS2 and OG Xbox games? I don't mean PS2 Classics or Microsoft's BC program. >They both got a Netflix app after they were made, because they're older than the main popularity surge of streaming and were DESIGNED around having your multimedia stuff stored at homeAnd both Netflix apps worked all the way up until 2023/2024 for the 360 and literally earlier this month for the PS3. If the app was able to run during the streaming boom of the late 2010s and early 2020s, there's no reason why the designers of the software wouldn't assume it was made for streaming.https://obsoletesony.substack.com/p/why-netflix-is-ending-ps3-support>You are delusional.Dude, you're just coping. They're modern consoles. Sure, they're early modern consoles in the sense that they had a lot of transitory features from the PS2 and Xbox (bespoke non-PC hardware, earliest titles played more like 6th gen games than actual 7th gen ones, etc.), but the PS3 and Xbox 360 aren't comparable to their predecesors and have more in common with the consoles that came after them. The PS5 and the Xbox Series S/X are just modern iterations of what the PS3 and Xbox 360 started, not something entirely different. It's like how modern physics starts in the early 1900s and continues now even if early theories like general/special relativity and quantum mechanics share a lot with their classical forebears.
>>735130268>the underlying software design and architecture hasn't changed that much in 20 yearsYeah that's fair, I just felt that your phrasing might imply you thought that, like, they'd set their networks up exactly how they still are today all the way back in the early 00s.>Do you see Sony and Microsoft doing the same thing for PS2 and OG Xbox games?No, because it takes more work to support them, because they're older. Not because there's some intangible "retro essence" that makes it harder to slap a file onto a server somewhere and write up some ad copy.>there's no reason why the designers of the software wouldn't assume it was made for streamingAside from the fact that both of these consoles were designed before there was a single streaming service people gave a shit about, even for casual online content, much less movies?>The PS5 and the Xbox Series S/X are just modern iterations of what the PS3 and Xbox 360 started, not something entirely different.And they don't have to be for the PS3 and Xbox 360 to become retro. Because in the absence of earth-shaking hardware improvements and leaps in game design, there will be normal, slow, culture-based shifts in preferences that will result in a normal, culture-based, slowly rolling window of what is "retro". That's literally it.
>>73512972360 fps has been the "norm" since ps2Even I´d dare to say that 60 fpa were standard since the NES era
>>735130671>No, because it takes more work to support them, because they're older. Not because there's some intangible "retro essence" that makes it harder to slap a file onto a server somewhere and write up some ad copy.Of course, but the idea is that there are 3 generations of consoles with the same software stack running on them and the same content delivery method. Hey have more in common with each other than anything that preceded it.>Aside from the fact that both of these consoles were designed before there was a single streaming service people gave a shit about, even for casual online content, much less movies?Slingbox and Twitch ,in the form of Justin.tv, was founded in the same time period that the PS3 and Xbox 360 were released. There are also live streams of concerts like the 1995 Seattle Symphony one which showed off the tech. Streaming is ancient technology. There's literally no reason a PS3 or 360 could do it. Maybe not in definitions higher than 720p or 1080p, but it was already seeing widespread adoption at the time.(cont.)
>>735132130>And they don't have to be for the PS3 and Xbox 360 to become retro. Because in the absence of earth-shaking hardware improvements and leaps in game design, there will be normal, slow, culture-based shifts in preferences that will result in a normal, culture-based, slowly rolling window of what is "retro". That's literally it.Unless we invent an entirely new paradigm of computing, we've basically hit the reasonable threshold of what we can do with modern consoles and at the same time, modern computing. You're assuming that Moore's Law is alive when it's been dead since the mid 2010s. That's what I mean by the PS3 and Xbox 360 are modern consoles: there haven't been any major breakthroughs in technology or software development that would fundamentally change how games are played. If VR had gotten off the ground or if the haptic feedback thing Sony is doing does and is widely adopted, then I'll admit to there being enough of a difference in modern games and those of the PS360 era to warrant a new paradigm of gaming to exist, but for the past 15 or so years, gaming as a whole has been stagnating. The improvments to graphics are rather meaningless when there aren't any real technical improvements to things that actually matter in a game like enemy/NPC AI, physics, world/quest generation, real-virtual interaction like VR or haptic feedback, etc. It's just a prettier version of what we had then. >>735131512True, but the transition into HD made a lot of games run at 30 FPS during the 7th gen until about 2010 at least. A lot of games genuinely did not run well that generation.
A definition that encompasses everything from Pong to the Last of Us is useless, it serves no purpose. If we wanna consider PS3 and even PS2 as "retro" then we're better off just scrapping the term altogether, because the purpose of words is to relay information and at that point the term "retro" would relay no information whatsoever
>>735108735No shit, kids who grew up on these consoles are already in their late 20's and some are turning 30.
>>735133793The squeaker who called you nigger faggot on Halo 3 customs probably has a wife and kids now.
I'll be sad when gamestop goes because they're the last major game store in the u.s. but at the same time good riddance
>Renowned for Jewing people for new releases>Actually one of the few retailers to not Jew you for older, "retro" games
>Wii U is retro>PS4 which released next year isn't Don't care, PS1/N64 is the last true retro era. The word "old" already exists, use that instead of ruining the word retro
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>>735134825PS4 is still being supported I guess and probably will for the forseeable future, meanwhile Nintendo washed their hands of the Wii U the moment the Switch released. I remember hearing EB employees talking about Nintendo outright telling them to turf all stock of the Wii U in anticipation of the Switch's release.
The unique gaming definition for retro needs to be dropped. It's not a synonym for old.Every generation of consoles also needs a label that describes them accurately instead.
>muh wetrwoMaybe think of a better term next time retards
>>735108735Will people ever stop using the word "retro" as synonymous with "old"? Retro encapsulating a specific window in time is useful. Retro referring to anything that's old is almost useless.
>>735133727>>735135361>>735135434That's what I'm saying. All the consoles are from the 8th gen and prior gens are old, but only consoles from the Collecovision and Atarti to the PS2 , Xbox and Gamecube are actually retro (with some accommodations to the portable offerings of the 7th gen as well). The usage of these consoles is nothing like modern consoles and never will be like modern consoles in anyway past playing games and even the game design tropes, popular genres and the actual way you interacted with the games reflects that.You can subdivide further, but it's very evident that the 7th gen literally isn't retro when the way we interact with a PS5 is the same as the way we interacted with the PS3. Ditto for the Xbox Series consoles and the 360. It's more refined, but it's fundamentally the same. It's like calling x86_64 bit computers from 2007 retro and placing them in the same class of computers as x86 and older computer paradigms when with the latter, there are actual restrictions and differences in operation that warrant it being called retro.
I wanna come at this from the other side.7th gen consoles will BECOME retro the day that gaming changes again. We all knew what retro meant, that Atari games were dated the day the NES came out, that Genesis games were dated the day the PS1 came out. It happened a lot, and it often happened in fairly short spans of time.Why the FUCK hasn't it happened in the last twenty years? Why is there still nothing to make you go "Wow, a game like this couldn't have even been conceived on a PS360"? Shit like Street Fighter 2 or GTA3 or Ocarina of Time couldn't have been conceived until the hardware to support them was invented. People could sense intuitively that the world has changed, and now it's gone so long without happening that there's a generation of young adults who think it never happened because they never witnessed it.
>>735137707>7th gen consoles will BECOME retro the day that gaming changes again100%.>Why the FUCK hasn't it happened in the last twenty years?Because over the last 20 years, the main technological innovators in the field of gaming left, retired, died or just became rank and file management and gaming stopped focusing on "What can we do to push the medium forward to offer better experiences to the player in terms of story, gameplay mechanics and presentation?" and more about "how can we get more money from the player to maximize our profits and do it with the least amount of work but look like we're trying to innovate?". It's the reason why games even in the 7th gen used to have awesome physics engines running behind the scenes to give the player a sense of dynamism in the game world or very surreal but beautiful environments that while they took advantage of the better graphics of the PS360 consoles, also offered up great art direction (minus the piss filter and the bloom for the most part) to sell you that experience along with great story telling, innovative implementation of game mechanics and combat systems and truly wonderful world-building. Modern game companies have thrown all that away and are coasting on the reputations of the series they own and of graphicsfaggotry to use as a front to make money off of the lowest common denominator with MTX, lootboxes, season passes etc. all the while games are not optimized at all and there's no excuse of the technology being new or to foreign since all consoles are essentially x86_64 PCs. It's basically just a concerted effort to do the absolute minimum to make a profit and not actually wanting to make games, but a product that caused this. There's nothing stopping a new paradigm in gaming from happening other than the lack of visionaries in the executive branches of these gaming companies. These people cannot fathom that you can balance making a game something beautiful and making a healthy profit off of it.
>>735137707>7th gen consoles will BECOME retroNo.Retro means a specific era. The word you are thinking of is "vintage".
>>735109036>ah, yes... my favorite HD retro consoleCope. Xbox 360 literally launched without a HDMI port or even 1080p output. 2005 was a long time ago.
>>735109916Indeed. Time only goes one way. >>735109390>It'd be like calling a PS4 retroIt will be in the 2030s.
>>735125387>the monumental discrepancy, why can't Black (PS2/Xbox) and Call of Duty 4 (PS3/Xbox 360/PC)?They can, neither are retro.
>>735113159Mario Kart 8 came out 12-years-ago on Wii U.
>>735129138>multiplayer has never emphasized matchmaking more than nowNon-matchmaking solutions died in the 360 era.
>>735114491Xbox 360, PS3, and Wii U all have AV ports and can easily be hooked up to CRT TVs via composite cables. That's retro.
>>735138684And? The PSX launched without a Dualshock controller. The other aspects of PSX game design remained the same despite that change being introduced and the other aspects of the console's design remained the same as well. Likewise, the Xbox 360 had literally everything else like Internet access out-of-the-box, acheicvements, multimedia aspects not directly tied to gaming (you booted into a menu, not a game or a screen telling you to put in a game) and still had Xbox Live integration. The lack of an HDMI cable doesn't change the fact that the Xbox 360 is not retro, at least as of writing.
>>735114512GTA5 came out nearly 13-years-ago. It was released before the fucking PS4 and Xbone.
>>735139092So what is retro, and why?
Why do you boomers obsess over these old games?
>>735139184not in the mood to play call of duty 18
if normalfags can play it without crying about it being outdated then its not retro
>>735115862A game released nearly a decade ago in 2018 can be retro. It's like you saying in 2006 that a game released in 1998 couldn't be retro.
>>735139146>So what is retroBasically any console from the 6th gen and before>and why?Because they were designed primarily as gaming systems, where you put in a game and it started playing immediately. There were no achievements, no friends lists, any multi-media functionality was secondary and rather limited and hastily put together in terms of actual usability. You could connect to the Internet but not out of the box and certainly not in such a way that you could install day-one patches or DLC.Ever since the PS360 days, that's not how game consoles have been designed and there hasn't been some massive technological or general UI/UX change since the 7th gen. Literally anyone trying to tell you a PS3 or Xbox 360 game is retro is trying to scalp you out of money due to the current retro craze going on. You can literally use a PS3 or Xbox 360 in the same exact ways as a PS4 and Xbox One or PS5 and Xbox Series X/S minus not having the same games and being more starved for hardware resources, leading to the resolutions between 480p and a max of 1080p and generally 30-60 FPS.Other than the bespoke hardware, 7th gen consoles are literally designed in the same fashion in all aspects as their modern counterparts.They have more in common with them than they do with their 6th gen counterparts
>>735115971The last console game that genuinely wowed me with its graphics was Arkham Knight, over a decade ago.
>>735139514>>So what is retro>Basically any console from the 6th gen and beforeCool, and where does your definition come from? Include sources.
>>735139556You can go to the wikipedia pages for all the consoles and use those as your sources. The whole point of categorization isn't to default to sources for things that are essentially common knowledge, but to sort knowledge based on common principles. They will literally go over the same spiel I said in the why section you clearly didn't read.
>>735139635>Includes literally zero sources.Then your definition isn't correct.
>>735139556Most faggots like Robb Alvey cut it off at the Dreamcast, but for whatever reason is including the PS2 on his pi builds.
>>735116775>GTA5 on the PS3 is poorly optimizedBut they even had realistic animation for the flip-flops under characters feet as they walked in the PS3 version.
>>735139669It's not an academic citation, retard. You don't need sources to sort out the various types of kitchen utensils based on their shape, functionality and size unless an actual mouthbreather.
>>735114873tetris for the NES and modern tetris plays the same, yet tetris is considered a retro game because of age. Nice try.
>>735118173>How is the wii u retroBecause you can plug these straight into it.
>>735139737>you are an actual mouthbreather.FTFM
>>735139737>You don't need sourcesI do when we're talking about the literal dictionary definitions of words.
>>735139752No shit. OoT and Majoria's Mask have remakes on the 3DS but they're still retro games made for the N64 first.>>735139792We're talking about the classification of objects, not the definitions of words. The word "retro" describes a class of consoles that we know to share similar traits. It's based on empirical evidence and things we know to be common to these consoles (and can be easily looked up).
This reminds me of all the /vr/ butthurt when they considered the Sega Dreamcast as Retro, but not the PS2.
>>735121035Xbox 360 couldn't even output 1080p until a software update was released nearly an entire year after it first launched.
>>735139885>We're talking about the classification of objects, not the definitions of words.Wrong. Otherwise I wouldn't have asked for a definition of the word.Please post your sources in your next reply, or i'l be forced to accept your concession.
>>735139885>OoT and Majoria's Mask have remakes on the 3DS but they're still retro games made for the N64 first.so, you are conceding that "retro" has nothing to do with fundamental gameplay designs, but its tied to the passage of time.
>>735137707The jump from FF7 (1997) to FFX (2001) is even more impressive.
>>735108735>old man figuers out that he's old>denies itgamer midlife crisis on full display ITT
>>735108735>indicators including the absence of fortnite
>>735139184>Why do you boomers obsess over these old games?Nostalgia for a simple time and a better world.
>>735139990>Wrong because I feel like you're wrongNice logic you've got going on there.>Please post your sources in your next reply, or i'l be forced to accept your concession.Again, Wikipedia is your friend. If you can't even do some basic research into a topic that's already been solved, the only thing I will concede is that you can't argue for shit and you have no business trying to pass off your personal opinions as fact.>>735139997The remake and the original are both designed as N64 games anon. Nothing significant was changed other than the graphics being better and some very minor QoL tweaks. That has nothing to do with the passage of time.
>>735108735No, they're not retro and they will never be retro no matter what some shitty meme company that shouldn't exist anymore saysIt's common senseRetro:>primitive game design and primitive graphicsNot retro:>everything that came after it
>>735140169>The remake and the original are both designed as N64 games anon.by that logic, the remakes should be considered retro games too. Weird how that never happens. In the same way modern Tetris games are not considered retro despite retaining the core gameplay mechanics of the first tetris games.
>>735137707Games have peaked already, specifically in the PS3 and 360 daysRemember back when the first trailer for GTA IV came out and it felt like "The future of gaming"? One used to think "if it's like this now, wonder what will it be tomorrow?" But there was nothing tomorrow, it was the same shit as yesterdayI first realized this when Far Cry 4 happened, I player Far Cry 3 and thought "what will Far Cry 4 look like?" turns out it looked exactly and played exactly like Far Cry 3, what when I found out that there will never be another mind blowing moment in gaming like in the 7th generation ever again
>>735108735Good games are almost always retro now
>>735139752Tetris Effect is considered a modern game while Tetris is not because it has notable differences in what it provides to the player in terms of visuals, quality of life, and unlocks. No one ever said you can't still have retro games be released in modern times, the fact of the matter is the majority of the catalog for that platform was these types of games whereas nowadays these types of games are a rarity and explicitly seen as antiquated game design or trying to aim towards the retro market.
>>735140383>by that logic, the remakes should be considered retro games too.I literally said that. It's the same game, but it looks better and they've made some things slightly easier to do. It's not like the OoT:Master Quest, which remixed the entire game to make it harder or like the Nier Replicant/Gestalt and Nier Replicant 1.22.... situation, where there was an active effort to revamp the combat of the game and other aspects of the combat/field traversal in the vein Nier:Automata rather than the original and actually add extra sections to the game.What they did with OoT and MM was literally put a different coat of paint on the same game and make it run well for modern systems. It is in essence the same game. There was more work done to port the Sonic Adventure games from the Dreamcast to the Gamecube and PC than there was to port OoT/MM to modern systems.
>>735140718>What they did with OoT and MM was literally put a different coat of paint on the same game and make it run well for modern systemsMM3D says hi
>>735140075Honestly, I think zoomers are coping moreso than older gamers by tryign to force the 7th gen consoles (barring the ones that make sense like the PSP, DS or even the Wii in some ways) to be retro. Most of the older gamers couldn't care less about these things and enjoy them from the angle of childhood memories, meanwhile zoomers are basically coping about the fact that they haven't really seen meaningful technological progression their entire lives (again barring the older zoomers in the 1997-2000 bracket) and have been playing essentially the same shit in that time period.It wouldn't come off as coping if it weren't for the artificial reinforcement of the time angle of retro games. Like the NES was retro by the time the PSX, Saturn and N64 came out and that was a timespan of 10 years. Likewise the PSX, Saturn and N64 were definitely retro by the time the Xbox 360 and PS3 came out and that was also 10 years. But the PS3 and Xbox 360 are basically patient zero of everything both good and bad about modern gaming, so 20 years on, you kinda have to force an age limit in order to not make it seem like gaming hasn't stagnated hard by the mid 2010s.
>>735141091no, nerrel, changing the deku form's water skipping to be worse doesn't suddenly make it any more modern than it was in 2000
>>735141091>MM3D>Among the major changes and enhancements was the Song of Double Time, which now allows the player to skip ahead to any hour of the given day as opposed to only six-hour intervals. >The Bombers' Notebook was made far more comprehensive, now keeping track of virtually every character involved in any kind of quest as opposed to the more vague hints in the original. The controls for each of Link's three major mask transformations, Deku, Goron, and Zora, have all been changed to some degree in the remake. >The save system has also been completely revamped; before, the game could only be saved by creating a temporary suspend point or creating a permanent save by restarting the three-day cycle. Now, the player can permanently save by checking in at any of the Owl Statues or Save Statues that inhabit the game world; this replaces both saving methods from the original. >A brand new fishing minigame was added that was not in the original.So it's a remake, which means it's not retro. I'm also looking it up and OoT 3D has the Master Quest dungeons and a lot more major QoL changes than I was led to believe including a Boss Rush mode, so it's the exact same situation of the game being an entirely different game based on the skeleton of an older one (i.e. it isn't retro).
>>735140718>I literally said that.and I literally said, just after that:>Weird how that never happens.no one considers the zelda remakes as "retro", that's a (You) situation
>>735141319Yeah, I looked into it and corrected myself. I'm not an expert on Nintendo games made past the Wii and never said I was.
>>735140169>Provides no sources>AgainThis is why you lost. I accept your concession.
>>735141727I didn't concede anything. You just refuse to engage with the argument like a functioning adult, which is entirely a (You) problem
>>735108735>Playstation 3, Xbox 360...I can understand, they are 20 years old now>...Wii UDid they mistake it with the Wii? Imagine being the Nintendo marketing department that gave the ok to the name Wii U, it's such a massive fucking stupid name given the company's usual console naming convention at the time that even 15 fucking years later a shop that supposedly specialises in video games still mistakenly thinks that the Wii U is just a newer version of the Wii.
>>735141790>I didn't concede anything. You just refuse to engage with the argument.That's what a concession is. In this case, you have conceded by to your own refusal to participate anymore.That means you lose.
>>735115213Browncel poorfag cope
M-Millennials sisters we are still young r-right?
>>735145217>SAAAAAAAR YOU ARE BROWN
>>735144338I know you're trying to win in a sad roundabout way, but I didn't concede anything. I told you where to find all the info supporting my claim. You just don't want to go to Wikipedia, which is fine. That's not a concession though. That's just you not doing your due diligence and actually doing some level of research. This isn't state of the art research. You can find all this knowledge on encyclopedias like Wikipedia or any other sources that make a compendium of all the information on gaming consoles. TL;DR: I told where to find my sources, you didn't go there and that's not on me if you don't believe it.
>>735108864The juxtaposition of a 9/10 caked-up actor vs generic 3/10 overweight normies is uncanny.
>>735125830Thanks for posting this. Retarded nigger tourists from post-GG shouldn't be here.
Green Reimu getting uppity again
