I mean, as long as I can keep 60fps...
should have updated to a 5700x3d when they were $140
>he didnt get an x3d modelyou fucked up. at least intels offerings are so dogshit they sell for dirt cheap
>>735129965Personally, stable 30 is enough for me.
>>735130380classy 30fps, I like it
I like my 9800x3d it lets me see the pretty new games running smoothly before I go back to warband or something
exactly what I think with my 3900x, but I'm constantly in the ballpark of 90-100+
>>735129965cpus hasn't mattered in 15 yearsWhy do you think all modern consoles run on tablet cpus?
>>735130341xds are too much hassle to be worth it, at least intels still "just werks" and are more stable
>>735131064because consoles are scams
>>735131064>snitch 2 is the only cucksole
>>735131127>xds are too much hassleThat's retarded, you sound like a clueless plebbitor. 3D models are completely plug and play because the gains from cache are making memory tuning and OC irrelevant.
>>735131127>getting 30% better lows and general performance for nothing is real hassle >especially in simulators which use all the L3 cache>amd does not even fund the iran warShalom.
>>735131064All of my autism factory games and sims need a good cpu.
>>735131372Based, RimWorld runs so much better on 7800X3D compared to 5600 I had before.
9950x3d is... GOOD MEWOO YESTERDAY I CHECKKED MY THROTTLING AND IT WAS BAAD SO I REPASTED MY THERMAL PASTE BUT THIS TIME I CHEESE SPREADED WITH MY BUTTER KNIFE ONTO CPU AND NOW ITS 10C COLDER AND USING LESS CPU UTILIZATION yipy
>>735131440What do you mean by so much better?I run it on an i3 10100 and it runs fine
>>735131832>60% less IPC is fineoy vey
>>735131832You have no idea, I'm able to run the game at x4 speed with all the garbage mods and still keep ~120FPS. Unless 200 pawn raid happens.
3600 bros...
Went from 5600X to 5800X3D 3 years ago to squeeze out the last drop from my mobo and do not regret it. Just got 128g of DDR4 last summer too before production stopped. Then jumped from RX 6800 to 9070 XT right before Thanksgiving. It's not the best, but I'm happy because it won't get any better for a long while.
>>735131127>xds are too much hassle to be worth itGenuine retard
>>735131440Based, modded Rimworld is why I upgraded my cpu as well lol
>>735131974Ive never had any slowdowns on rimworld at all even with fuckhuge raids
>>735131914Seems fine too me, dont know what to tell you
>>735131249>>735132985Yeah thats why all the people who have mysterious issues with games playing normally and other system instabilities ironically have an x3d cpu right?
>>735133865None of us are trying to convince you, we're just pointing and laughing.
>>735133735Sure recent patches improved the performance a lot.But how many times you forgot to kill rats just to realize there are over 1000 of them a moment later? You end up praying for toxic fallout.
>>735129965lmao they had to shut down windows on my ryzen 1700 pc cuz i didnt upgradethat shit is still fineryzen 1700 with gtx 1650 super- 1080 ti is still solid and very similar performance to a ps5 in non rtx/non shit gamesyou could buy your kid a pc with that kinda hardware for under 400 dollars and they would be able to gameshit honestly gtx 1070 with gen 1 ryzen could keep 120 fps in almost all games until like 2022
>>735134353I'm still on my 1700x. I love the little bastard.Kinda miss my phenom II though.
>>735129965Is that on AM4? Ryzen 7 5700X isn't that expensive and will massively outperform.
>>735131127>>735131127>at least intels still "just werks" and are more stableI guess if we pretend the 13th and 14th generations never happened
>>735131127Yeah, like having to disable cuckcores.
>>735129965don't do this to me, my 2700x is showing it's age, this shit fucking sucks
>>735130027>be me >early 2025>"damn, 5700X3Ds are cheap recently!">"I should consider an upgrade! Maybe in a few months or so">a few months later>5700X3Ds out of production>only ones for sale are at 300+ buckscan you guess what happened when I saw cheap ram sticks
>>735134831Not him but I upgraded my PC because hardware was suspiciously cheap just before the RAM shitshow.
>>7351345299800x3ds and 7800x3ds are frying too so lets not pretend its just an "intel" problemAt least intel has worked through it and the Ultra series are solid, AMD is still in the phase of denying the problem and pointing to the mobo manufacturers
>>735134573That was literally a 12gen intel problem retard, AMD cpus are the ones with scheduling problems nowKeep up little guy
>>735133865Holy mother of sour grapes, lmao.
>>735129965just upgrading to 5600 would give you a major boost.
>>7351299655500 works fine for me, too bad my rx 6600 isn’t really cutting it anymore for new slop. Still, doesn’t seem like there’s any good games to upgrade for yet.
>>735134972this is like saying a paper cut is the same as slit throat. keep coping intel shill
>>735135556I cant really see how, Intel faced the problem and issued microcode updates to fix the problem quicklyAMD still hasnt really found or admitted a problem and a year after the problem was found CPUs are still frying
>>735135726NTA but one of my mates had to manually slap his intel cpu in bios to not shit itself everytime he played a game.
>>735134789more like your 1060 3GB is showing its age lol
>>735135793What cpu?
>>735135812Im using a 970 and shit still werx
>>735135826I dont remember the numbers, but it’s fairly expensive. It’s a known issue that it needs to be throttled to not fry itself under use
>>735130867I can't afford to upgrade from my 3900x because a lot of what I do (compiling code) doesn't benefit from v-cache so going down to 8 cores would be a downgrade
>>735135812I have a 2070
>>735135826Looked through our chat history and it’s an i9-14900k
>>735136167OuchYeah the 14900 has some issues to say the least, he should have gotten the 14700
>>735135035I'm sure they are, account from Israel.
>>735129965I boughted a 5800X3D a while ago. Looking at 9800X3D has me a bit intrigued but realistically speaking it wont make a huge difference. My screen is capped to 144Hz so I dont need more fps than 144 and the 5800x3d can deliver that in most cases. If there is stutter then its usually a software problem and a 9800X3D would also have stuttered. I agree that a smooth 60fps can be fine for gaming except for competitive gaming.
>>735131127I know this is probably just an actual paid shill but it's amazing that anyone would say this shit when intel cpus are the ones that can be a hassle with games using ecores when they shouldn't be
>>735134423>Is that on AM4?It is, although maybe OP will need a bios update to be able to run a 5xxx series, depending on what chipset he has.
>>735136167There is nothing wrong with a 14900k - the whole issue was FUD spread by advanced marketers to blow what is ultimately motherboard vendors being too aggressive on settings out of proportion./v/ laps it up because this place is nothing but paid AMD shills (see: the ongoing "drama" over dlss 5).
>crank game to 4k via dlss>weak cpu is no longer an issue as game is gpu bottlenecked with my 5070works every time baby
>>735137536>fud>literally has a scheduler issue with e-cores that required multiple bios updates to resolve>same performance is a 7800x3d for just 4-6x the power drawwhat a steal
>>735130027>>735134831if you guys live in the US microcenter has mega cheap combos, i'd love to be in the us to buy one of those, and if not maybe you can get a 5500x3d from china, they are being sold here in South America for $160-$220 each
My 5800x3d suits me fine. I'm going to replace it with a 10800x3d or whatever AMD calls the 12 core x3d part in zen 6. It isn't that the 12 cores will matter over 8 but rather AMD's L3 can be accessed by any core on a CCD so not only will there be 50% more cache next to the cores I could also see an increase in the v cache size as well. Plus i'm occasionally cpu bound even at 4k with the 5800x3d but that is where I just need the higher clocks.
>>735130380I spend a few months playing everything on the 5700G integrated graphics as an experiment and you get used to 30fps pretty fast. It's completely fine for single player games.
>>735136850That was specifically the 12th gen cpus idiot
>>735136787Microstutters are a common problem with x3d cpus
>>735138318Yeah if you are a turbo retard and didnt update the bios like you were told
>>735133865vagueposters still got it
Yearly reminder not to engage in any tech-related discussion on the internet.It's simply not worth your time.
>>735138454weekly reminder to shut the fuck up
The only performance benefit that comes with x3d cpus is in artificial scenarios with no real world situations like running a 5090 at 1080p with the lowest settings otherwise they are pretty mediocre cpus at general computing that are overhyped and overpriced
>>735138720based userbenchmark poster
>>735138615Well, yes - in practical terms,that what I would advise several individuals in this thread to do. Not all of them, though.
>>735138720this. For gaming i have a 5700x and its fine paired with a modern gpu. if you're using higher resolutions than 1080p you're not gonna see much of an improvement in most games other than a select few cpu intensive games like baulders gate 3. If you're using DLSS or anything higher than 1080p your GPU is going to bottleneck way before your CPU is most of the time anyway so a 5800x3d is kinda pointless. They are good cpus, but people do mostly inflate how good they are simply because they're on the AM4 platform and people want an excuse not to upgrade to AM5.
>>735138615Hourly reminder: Sneed
I luckily managed to switch to AM5 last summer, just before the price inflations. Wasn't even sure it was worth it; in retrospect it was.Currently running a 8600G, no gpu. Plays everything I want to. Unreal Engine 5 garbage needs the settings toned down but even those games are playable. Uses ~120W max and runs completely silent, can't tell the machine is on even at 2AM when there's zero ambient noise. Idles at 25-30W. If I disable the bullshit turbo speeds, then it won't even reach 60C.Laughing my ass off whenever someone mentions needing a 5090 or so.about the only downside is the limited upgrade path, I was hoping for AMD to release Gorgon Point CPUs in January with the 880M or 890M, but they seem to have completely abandoned performance APUs on desktops.
I boughted a 285kKinda wish I went with 9800
AM4 isn't that good anymore. It'll hold back even 6 year old GPUs like the 3080 or above, and any newer equivalents (4070, 5070, ..). Unless you're broke you should be looking to upgrade to newer platforms.
>>735129965If I can pair a 5600 with a 4070 super you can probably squeeze more life out of this. Ram prices have made it pointless to upgrade to am5 and they will have to put on am6 in a year or two tops.
>>735138454I still remember retards here laughing at me for buying rtx 2070 when it launched at MSRP instead of getting ayymd FineWine tech or a 1070 Ti
>>735139506My 4070 super runs fine with a 5600 and 32gb ram. I don't know what the fuck you are talking about retard.>>735139637This. Back when COVID was about to hit waitfags send to hold on and I got a pc with a 1660super in it that got me through that whole time whilst they had nothing.
>>735139502Why?A 285k is a beast, best cpu out there right now
>>735139593AM5 is getting Zen 6 for sure, which will axe the current trash infinity fabric with a proper interconnect that's much faster and uses almost no power. It was IMO the worst problem of the Ryzen chips since the beginning. If only they'd also make a proper new motherboard chipset too.After that it's going to be AM6 with DDR6. Which is gonna be interesting, 100-200 GB/s memory speeds will make onboard graphics really really fast.
>>735139745A 5600 can't take full advantage of a 4070 much less a super. You won't have 100% GPU utilisation in most games even at 1440p.
>>735138935factorio.they are great for factorio PY.
>>735131493>still using pasteRetard. Use a cryosheet.
After seeing how shit the latest games at the time (Dragon's Dogma 2, STALKER 2) ran on the most powerful CPUs like 7800X3D and even 9800X3D and seeing that 9800X3D actually stayed expensive, I decided not to build a new PC and upgraded from 3600 to 5700X3D and got another 16GB up to 32GB at the beginning of last year.If I can't get stable 60 fps on this, I won't even bother. I might play it in 4 years when I build a new PC, I'm not in a hurry, I'm not going to suffer through this when I can play good old games I skipped over the years.
>bought a 5800x3d and some good RAM right before ai shit made it all stupid expensive Remember anons the best time to buy is always when you first think of it stop being a waitfag
>>735140336In September I kept telling people to buy twice the amount of RAM you feel is necessary, since RAM is really cheap, but there were always people saying you won't ever need more than 32GB.I mean they're right, but I was even more right.
I live under a rock is there anything wrong with 7500x3d?most of the time its like half the price of the 7600x/7800x3d versions
>>735140446>7500x3d6 cores, but that's also 7600.From what I see, 7600X has higher clock, so it could be better for le productivity meme, but for games 3D cache is king.
>>735139995>You only get 110fps not 112fps at 1440pOh no I give such a shit all my time playing games is ruined now. Guess I should have spent an entire grand for no discernable difference for autism only reasons.
>>735139995>You won't have 100% GPU utilisationYou say that like it's a bad thing.100% GPU utilization causes significant input lag. You're better off ensuring that framerate is locked and hits like 95%. That's why uncapped framerates are bad.Nvidia Reflex unfucks the input lag when running at max GPU utilization and that's actually the only use case of it.In some cases, Reflex can cause slight latency, compared to locked framerates.
>>735138318Im not noticing that. I feel like my 5800x3d is very smooth actually.
>>735140446CPUs in general are very cheap right now because very few build new PCs.
>>735129965>r5 3600>still runs everything at 55-60 fps unless it's a clearly dogshit game like SaarfieldIt's about as powerful as the PS5 cpu, if it runs okay there it will with my rig, so im still hodling
>>735130341>tfw got a 5900X because it was like 100 bucks cheaper than the 5800X3D at the timeI KNEW better but still went for it... At least my AUR packages compile nice and fast...
>>735141317Yeah, because you have to get DDR5 for new PC build.Reportedly MSI is going to introduce their own motherboards that support both DDR4 and DDR5.
>>735141317No, cpus are cheap because they are not used for machine learning so $200 gets you a fucking god tier cpu but no DDR5 ram and no GPU to go with it
>>735141538Only 12th and 13th gen intel CPUs support both DDR4 and DDR5 but there won't be any new motherboards for a dead platform.
>>735130380based
>>735138720>sims and MMOs are artificial scenarios nowDamn.
>>735141136You want as close to 100% as possible. There are tons of videos out there showing the 5600 can only utilize 50-80% of a 4070 super in loads of games while also hitting 80%+ utilisation on the CPU. It's not a logical pairing.
>>735141565CPUs seem to be a bit expensive still. A 9800X3D has 11.75 million transistors and costs about the same as a 9060xt which has 29.7 million transistors, a board with power phases etc and 16 GB VRAM. Both are 4nm process. Maybe cpu transistor counting is a bit different since cpus also need to clock higher but its still very different value it seems.
>>735139839Eh, apparently a 8900x3d can outperform the 285k in gaming because of 3d cache technologyIt's literally a gaming focused CPU
>>7351420438900* I meant 9800God damn it
>cpus are the same as gpus because they both use transistors>so they should cost the sameStraight up not going to dignify that level of stupidity with anything more than a LAMO. Best laugh of the year right there.
>>735141907>You want as close to 100% as possible.No, you don't. Unlocked framerates not only have shitty framepacing, but also cause input lag when running at max GPU utilization. And some games are more demanding than the others on different components.In Counter Strike you're almost guaranteed to be GPU bottlenecked, while in STALKER 2 you're more likely to be CPU bottlenecked.
Reminder if your cpu or gpu goes above 80c you are actively shortening its lifespan.
>RX 7600>7600X>16 GB DDR5-6000I wanted 1080p gaming at 75 fps and I have it, right before part prices shot up too. Only regert is the RAM but I only play old games and AA titles anyway.
>>735141761>games played by bots are artificialyes
>>735142403Niggas posting an ancient video from battlenonsense about competitive gaming. Please, just shut the fuck up. Or better yet pair a ryzen 1600 with a 5090 since you're claiming massive CPU bottleneck is the way to go. I can't be bothered to argue with retards like you. If you buy a GPU and can only average 80% utilisation across games on it you're leaving free performance and/or quality settings upgrades on the table because you're hamstrung by a weak CPU.
>>735142760Yet another reason that Winter is the season of the gamer
>>735143005>Or better yet pair a ryzen 1600 with a 5090 since you're claiming massive CPU bottleneck is the way to go.Did I ever imply so retard?You get CPU and GPU that is good enough for your needs. You won't be consistently CPU bottlenecked or GPU bottlenecked and there's no point running 1080p 500 fps just because you can.Ideally you want to cap your framerate to something around your refresh rate.Enjoy your coilwhine and fried GPU while running STALKER main manu with uncapped framerate
>>735137536Userbenchmarks please
>another pcfag cope threadi just bought a 14700f and a 5070 ti for 2500 bucks, still the best deal in gaming for the price.
>>735143124A CPU bottleneck is also when you can't reach your desired framerate because the CPU is holding you back. You're arguing specifically about competitive games which all come with reflex now and you can play at any framerate you want. Reflex usually caps utilisation around 95-97%. Much more than the 80% or below you'll experience when paired with a shit CPU. And we're not talking about competitive games anyway. Even games like spiderman at 1440p ultra get bottlenecked hard by a 5600 and can barely even hit 70% utilisation with lows in the 50s, thanks again to the CPU. That's literally leaving free performance on the table.
>>7351433891440p very high*
>>735143389It's perfectly adequate for 60 fps gaming, that's the point
>>735143562That's a beyond retarded argument >let me spend $700 on a GPU that I can't take full advantage of because I paired it with a weak CPUIf 60 fps is your target you don't need a $700 GPU
>think about upgrading from a 6700xt to a 9070xt due to fomo>look at benchmarks>none of the games used seem even slightly interesting except for KCD2 maybe>realise i'm just going to go back to some old shitmodern games suck ass
>>735143623You ever heard of longevity? People want to use GPU for years. Not to be obsolete in year
>>735143710>won't support next gen dlss>woops paperweight overnight
>>735143710And how can you keep a GPU for years that is already being held back by the CPU today? Your arguments get dumber by the post. The GPU isn't the issue here, the CPU is. A 5600 is a 2020 mid range CPU that wasn't recommended to be paired with high end GPUs at the time like 3080s or above. A 4070 super is about as powerful as a 3090, and if anyone suggested pairing a 5600 with a 3090 they'd get bullied because of how retarded a suggestion that is.
>>7351439065600 should be capable of running every good game for the rest of this gen at 60 fps. I have 5700X3D. Anything that won't run at 60 fps, most likely will be shit, since they didn't bother aiming at 60 fps on consoles.
>>735145174Again, that's not the point. If someone's target is solely 60 fps they don't need an expensive GPU to pair it with otherwise they're just wasting money on a GPU they'll never be able to take full advantage of today or in 5 years. Arguing that a CPU bottleneck is fine because it can achieve 60 fps is a flawed argument.
>>735145383It's a waste of money until you can't run the game you want at 60 fps. I got 9070XT and I already had to run MGS Delta at 4K FSR4 Performance for locked 60 fps.
>>735142254Not even what I said. I also know how supply and demand works but I also knows that any sane company wont sell at a loss. You are insufferable
>>735145383>>735146353And personally I bought 2070S as a future proof 1080p 60 fps in 2019. I used until last year, for 5.5 years, except it turned into 4K capable GPU thanks to DLSS2 in 2020.
>>735146353And if you had a weak CPU your experience will be even worse.
>>735146640MGS Delta is a game that is actually mild on CPU, that I'm certain my 3600 could handle the game comfortably.MGS Delta is unreasonably demanding on GPU, but it was also one of the smoothest UE5 games I played so far.
>tfw 5700X3DAm I fucked?
>>735146785A 3600 with a 9070XT would be a terrible pairing my guy. Why would you subject yourself that. UE5 games are unnecessarily demanding outside of fringe cases like arc raiders. Silent Hill 2 is one of the most stuttery gaming experiences I've ever had. Outer Worlds 2 was demanding but it ran smoothly at least.
>>735147275I have 5700X3D. I used to have 3600.
>>735146469You err, do know that a cpu does different types of calculations to a gpu right?You do comprehend that, saar?
>>735147275I have a 5600x paired with a rx 9070. Runs great.>UE5That runs like ass on everything but who plays that slop anyway.
>>7351473465700x3d is about on par with a 7600 so it's good for modern mid range GPUs I guess. >>735147457You'll encounter situations where the single core performance of that CPU will hold your GPU back more often than not. Get an x3d CPU before they go extinct.
>>735147659name one game
You buy a cpu and gpu you're going to get use out of for years. That's how it works.
>5800x3d and a Rx 6700 XTYeah it's gaming time.
>>735147813Crimson desert
>>735143227Lol. I just checked and the 9800x3d is behind 10 intel chips for gaming. What of that guys problem?
>>735149193What is*
>>735149119But I beat the rec requirements and it seems to be well optimized.If it stutters I'll just set particle effect to high setting instead of ultra.
>>735149428It drops down from 60 to 30 fps even on the optimized ps5 pro console version because of CPU demands. Open world games are always demanding on the GPU
>>735149548On the CPU*
>>735149548>>735149634>consoles>optimizedlmfaoo omfg you stupid retard
>>735134831dont worry guys consumerists will be punishedoh wait except they get rewarded again and now everything is expensivejokes on the kikes i wasnt going to buy anyways
>>735147438Recent GPUs have become increasingly compute heavy. So they are roughly massively parallel compute units. They have no branch prediction tho and a GPU is similar to a massively multithreaded cpu for hiding latency instead. They keep multiple threads in flight. Of course CPus and GPUs are different but at the end of the day its just math with finite numbers. I know more about CPUs then GPUs but its no magic. Im not indian btw but that doesnt matter to my point.
>>735129965>another trash AMDturd thread made by a saar from kolkata, india
>>735153269based rusty cpu enjoyer
How the fuck am I supposed to build a pc as a poorfag this shit is worth the same as a CPU
>>735143375>2 and a half grands for 70 -tier card system>good deal
Can AI just fucking crash already?
>>735153269Thoughts on the pajeet shooting himself earlier this week?
>>735156709why would it crash when millions of electronics need them
>>735157517>need them
>>735157573you can cope and seethe about it but AI will be integrated into appliances and AI won't be crashing anytime soon
>>735158147lmao
>>735158189lol
