>backstabs you>dies immediately after
That sums up france pretty well.
>>735140360Spy is a bee?
>>735140360>run away from spy as scout>still catches up to me to backstab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMh4dS8kewg
>>735140463Yes
>>735140434>noooo why didn't you send people to die in our useless war in iraq, we're gonna rename french fries to liberty fries fuck you :'[
>TF2 playerbase in the big 26 seemingly has no idea what a Dead Ringer is>DR Spies have free reign
>>735140360Hudda hudda huh
>>735140360Meanwhile in TF2C:>backstabs you>tranquilizes teammate that notices him, and escapes with L'Escampette>dies after running into a pyro immediately after>Pyro gets the "Hunt Down the Frenchman" cheevo
>>735140463https://vocaroo.com/15sQywvPCr2P
I can't bring myself to play Spy nowadays because of this. You just die way too fast, when you get a backstab you'll often get gibbed afterwards with little to no room for escape. It's also super aids to play on older maps, because to even be able to backstab you're often stuck in a situation where you have to either go through a choke point and almost certainly eat a stray rocket, or take the super long flank route that basically adds 10 seconds to your respawn timer whereas with any other class you'd already be getting kills. It's also probably the buggiest class, sometimes your costume will just show an engineer holding a knife or some stupid shit like that. I absolutely loved playing the class when I was younger but now I really can't bother. It doesn't help that people check for spies way more nowadays. The dopamine to waiting to respawn & walking ratio isn't worth it
>>735140360Worth it.
>>735140360They're really situational. Yeah, that's the normal Spy experience, but sometimes you get some cool as shit moments too>Using that original cloak>Coordinate a double attack on a big sentry nest, allowing our team through>Sneak to the final, unguarded capture point>The moment it's available cap it while the enemy team scrambles to get over to me>In another game, run down a narrow section and backstab all three enemy players in front of me in a row to the amusement of my team they were heading towardsIt's fun as fuck when it works.
>>735141032>DRFools nobody except fresh installs because 99% of spies suck at pretending so they just take 2 damage and "die". And even if they don't, everyone knows to check the ammo box.Spies are using it exclusively as a speed and defense boost, and that's the only reason it's harder to chase down and kill a spy.
>facestabs you>doesn't get killed
>>735140589>doesn't know the sidestrafe techskill issue
>get close enough to merc this fat fuck>kills you with two random crit melee swings>"Appreciated, sir!"
>I play spy>cant decloak within a square mile of the enemy team without a pack of pyros chasing me down>they play spy>can decloak with dead ringer in front of half my team and waddle around everywhere as a slow scout without attracting any attention
>>735141384got a jej out of me
>>735142985>tfw chekov's heavy doesn't realize walking up to the civvie is the best way to get humiliated
>>735142985>Anon has earned the achievement Badge of Shame
>>735145479If Civilian was in live TF2, there should be a strange part for his umbrella for "Badges of Shame Awarded"
>>735140869It was FREEDOM FRIES you fucking illegal.
I used to main spy unless they had a try hard soldier or pyro. So you always want to shoot anyone who looks at you wrong or cloak away. Wait in the shadows and decloak in the middle of a big skirmish as an enemy medic heavy or scout and they fall for it every time. Any disguise works it’s all about being disguised during big fights so you can stab and cloak away. If you aren’t cloaked in main passages you’re doing it wrong.
>>735140729First thing you hear when connecting to a server, without fail sometimes it's Scout
>>735145728>always a looping deathnoise>"AWH-AWH-AWH-AWH-AW->item drop>"DNR-DNR-DNR->door creaking noise on team select
>>735140869Lick my boot
>>735140360 >Soldier in the background: Gotcha, crouton!
>>735147296*Wheezes*
>>735140360More like>attempts to backstab you in the face>fails but runs away scot free cause he has 250hp farmed from an afk heavy>attempts to backstab you in the face again 5 seconds later>fails and runs away with dead ringer>attempts to backstab you in the face again>net code grants him a hitbox this time>succeeds the backstab while dead center of your FOVThis build needs nerfing to hell
>>735140869Probably should've tried selling it better.
>>735148330Kunai gives him 200 hp, and 98% of spies using it are abusing cl_interp and other commands to get their bullshit stabs. Kunai should slow him down by 10%.
>>735148424>Oi, Shirrak! Gork and Mork are krumpin' in da middal eest! Dis a new age!
>>735148424It's funny how little things changed
>Blocks your path>*Killbind*>does not elaborate.
>>735150238>change name to Windshield Bug>just trolldier around and go for goobastomps>explode on impact
>>735141032>tfw I “kill” a DR spy only for him to barely move and I kill him againSeeing two spy rag dolls next to each other will never not be funny
>>735150870Reminds me.>Spy in our base on Harvest.>See him go invisible into that long hallway leading to the outside fence.>Find him cloaked on top of a bunch of haystacks.>Start wailing on him with the Widowmaker.>Tries crouch jumping on more map props, which just slows him down and makes it easier to track him.>Kill him.>"Yippeekeya-hiya-heyaaaaa-kayo!">He tells me to kill myself in chat.
>>735140360skill issue I'm afraid
>>735150317holy shit I haven't laughed quite like that in a whilethank you anon
>dies immediately afterYou wishFor some reason it seems like 99% of people are fucking stupid and can't spycheck for shit, so the moment I rev up to kill people as The Heavy Man and deal with the stupid fucking scouts meatshotting me I get backstabbed despite the presence of pyros and medics behind me.
>>735141163>Get the jump on someone as Pyro>They whip around and instantly kill me with a random melee crit:(
>>735148424I hate christcucks so much it's unreal
>finally corner that annoying dr kunai spy farming your team>get backstabbed by a 2nd spyit's not fair
>>735150317I used to suicide-Ullapool Caber as Demoman for hours before it was nerfed. Fun times.
>>735156984>The second spyName a more unexpected thing.
>>735157132Uber spy.
>>735157132>Name a more unexpected thing.The third Spy
>>735140869Uhh sister...the new narrative is that the might of Iran was so weak and was never a threat for the kind of bullying it received from America.This is not a joke btw. It's their new narrative lol
>scout laugh taunt.wav>demo: WHAAAAAAAAARRGGHHAA! (audience gasps)>scout death scream.wav:)
>>735157841What about the TWELFTH spy?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9MZC-GmrdA
>>735161268>get sick of them and start chasing them, it's easy kills>he leads me right into 3 revved up tomislav heaviesMOTHERFUCKER
>>735157957>pov
>>735161391If you've got a friend in comms its hilariously easy to bait people into piles of stickytrapsTF2 players have an instinct to eviscerate the French on sight you should capitalize on it.
>>735161679my friend's nametagged his Cloak & Dagger to "CCTV Camera" for this exact purpose
>>735161782That's called being a spotter. I mean using spy as live bait.Its like a distraction porn spray but provokes bloodlust instead of regular lust.
>>735162182now you reminded me about sprays being gone...
>>735157132A spy genuinely convincing you they're a teammate. The kind that can not just stand next to a dispenser as an engineer but can actually pull of disguising as scout.
>>735162709One problem with disguises is that many voice lines will show up the wrong color in the text chat so its blatantly obvious if a low health player calling for medic is a spy.If this weren't the case you could do a lot more method acting with the lines themselves.
>>735163019just use the voicelines that don't show up in chat, like the Cheers/Jeers onesi've been fooled by a scout spy that crouched at me and said "this sucks on ice!"
>>735161268>First SpyThat's expected>Second SpyWhy are you here?>Third SpyWhy are YOU here too?>4+ SpiesOkay I see how it is
>>735163478Weapon switching does a good job of tricking people too, I just wish I could also use voice lines to sell it>player on fire running toward me, disguised as pyro>my disguise weapon is shotgun, switch disguise weapon to primary>its phlog>player stares at me>I stare at him>shake crosshair left/right to say "no" and shoot him in the headLittle moments like this happen all the time, and when it turns out one of the players is actually a spy is peak tf2 silly bullshit.
>>735163993That's when you switch to Phlog + Scorch Shot.
>>735140360>I'm going to fuck you like a cornish game hen
>>735140360>also gets more points per kill than you
>>735164002i think what would make it more believable is if a spy could hold a button down to simulate a reloadif a demoman reloaded all 8 stickies while he stared into my soul just before a doorway, i'd believe it
>identify disguised spy hiding among my team>keep his entire body visible on my screen as I try to kill him>somehow still get backstabbed
>>735164401I think the spy should start saying random jokes when found out, that way players won't want to kill him immediately because if they do they'll miss the chute and never know how the joke ends ( they all play individually once per week, no repetition ).
>>735164706scout should just get a plastic bag filled with sawdust as a lunchbox item
>Spy gets the jump on me as Heavy>Respawn and start the long journey back to the point>Spycheck like a schizo, turning my head 180 every few seconds and punching the air>Ears are tuned in to hear any decloaking noise>Prepared to clobber any frog-eating ski masks that dare to violate my personal space>Another enemy jumps out in front of me>Minigun revs up, slowly inch forward as I prepare to spray lead at babies>*heavy_criticaldeath.wav*After that, I don't know what's worse:>All eleven teammates behind me don't bother to kill or otherwise inconvenience the undisguised spy that strolled up to my broad Russian backside>Spy immediately eats shit milliseconds after backstabbing me, making my death feel cheap and undeservedI know Spy/Sniper are the natural predator of Heavy but it doesn't make it any less infuriating to die to forces completely outside your control, especially when you're locked into the painfully long rev-up animation. Playing as Heavy is generally pain, actually.
>>735140360"""dies"""
>>735164654TF2 hitboxes suck. A lot of "professional spy gameplay" is just taking advantage of quirks in the game like being able to backstab someone despite being only slightly off to the side.
>>735164654>>735164946picrel + netcode
>50+ "Pro-killstreak" video>Player has a medi-beam surgically attached to their colon the entire roundYou know the ones I'm talking about
>>735165067
>>735149587Kek
>>735140869>get baited by the .... to bomb some camel riders>3 day military operation>regime will fall any day now>we literally destroyed all of they command >we literally destroyed 95% of the rockets drones>we literally destroyed they navy>can't defend the oil ships from a "destroyed" regime and military >no oilAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SEND HELP EUROPA
>>735163019>One problem with disguises>OneYou don't know the half of it.Disguises are extremely broken in general. Text showing up in the wrong color is one thing, and it happens if a spy talks while outside of your render distance, behind a wall set to stop rendering. It only warns people who are far away, but it still is a dead giveaway. Medic bubble showing up as the wrong color is something unrelated, and it always shows the spy's true health - so it'll always give you away unless you're on roughly the same health as your disguise. Those disguises also fail to account for different max health values, always taking the default. It's bad because excess from say, battalion's backup shows up as overheal, and that makes you even more noticeable, because the med knows who he was healing, and if there's no med, your overheal has no right to exist in the first place.This isn't even getting into the literal bullshit like the missing legs, pyro heads, gunslinger, backpacks, particles and effects, etc. Or completely broken facial flexes - they always have a non-accessible blank expression with wide open eyes, and that's a dead giveaway on scout(instead of his usual tough guy scowl) or heavy(instead of his neutral half-lidded eyes), and the extremely rare hatless soldier. And to a lesser extend demo. They'll also never show their pained expressions displayed on low hp, which is a problem for absolutely everyone except pyro and spy.Not a problem if the disguise is wearing a mask/beard/whatever, but it's still bullshit.
>>735164401>simulate a reloadActually if you do reload your revolver as spy it plays the reload animation for the disguise if they have a reload anim for the weapon, but well you need to have shot a few times prior to disguising and now you can only do it once...
>>735165380it also breaks reloads on a lot of weapons
>*hunts you down and kills you after you de-cloak*nothin personnel, crouton.
>>735164946Adapting to pings and reacting to the arm raise animation does takes skill. Consider also, Spy is at his core a non-mobile glass cannon that tests melee ranges.
>>735165380You do realize it doesn't play the proper sound effect, right? You can still hear the revolver reload instead of say, stickybomb reload.At least you can interrupt the animation and do it again if you know how, but it's mostly useless.
>>735140434/thread
>>735165370I know disguises are fucked ten ways from Sunday, thats why I only focused on 1 of its issues instead of claiming I was addressing all of or even claiming its the biggest if problemsIts a pile of small niggling things that add up to being largely useless. Disguises are for tricking sentries and for the brief moments where an enemy can see you. Long term disguises are too much of a risk since there is minimal cost to check for a spy just in case.
>>735157957>This is not a joke btw. It's their new narrative lolAre leftists immune to cognitive dissonance or something? Don't they get confused when they constantly do 180s on their views every week?
>>735165123>guy with a rocket launcher weel past Hale's Own is pudstomping Dustbowl with his kritz medic cocksleeveWhy even bother?
>>735164946The hitbox is fine. What you're actually complaining about is player models being intentionally offset by valve as a design choice.
>>735168748What was Valve smoking when they gave RED the ability to camp BLU's only spawn door on some maps
>>735140360>get sniped>see teammate spy approach the unaware sniper in the killcam
>>735169065Meet the Vids always showed Red favoritism.
>>735156823
>>735169696>fedora tip meme is over 13 years old nowLet it go.
>>735169761Nah, it's still funny seeing a dumb hat somehow being able to get under people's skin.
>>735169878Yeah, you guys would say that LOL.
>>735169956I didn't know you loved Jewish people so much you saved pictures of their traditional clothingrespect
>>735170013I literally googled kippah, but funny how loving jewish people is an insult. Why would a tiny hat make you seethe? I don't think Jesus denounced tiny hats either.
>>735140360Yes because he instantly taunts
>>735170069jews are the world's ultimate evil though
>>735140360Just like a real french
>>735170319Fun fact, no where does Jesus denounce Old Testament, let me know where he does that.
>>735170521not even that guy, don't care about sandnigger religions, I just know kikes are evil as fuck
>>735140869This got the rabbi mad, good job Pierre!
>>735170554Christianity is just a different sect of sandnigger religion, that's not even a hot take.
>>735140360My favourite is when they do that but I'm standing next to a sentry so its literally guaranteed they get demolished in the next 0,5 secondsjust why
>>735162709>pubstomping heavy + his medic gf>medic is dead so heavy runs back towards spawn to meet him>disguise as the medic and run straight at the heavy with medigun out>he completely believes my disguise and runs straight back to battle, back towards me for several seconds as i stare at his juicy ass>backstabI never came so hard
>>735148424This meme misses the final punchline of the storyThe French Protestant organization also didn't know what the fuck Bush's Evangelical schizophrenia was about, so they contacted an association of Swiss protestants, who also didn't know.
>>735172269
>>735165551they seem to have removed these
>>735149587
>>735162324they're not gone, just turned off by default, unless that was changed
>>735172890Nah. You can't see them on official servers no matter what, and you can only see them on community ones if you enable that setting.And most people play only on official valve servers anyway.You know why it's done this way. They get more profit if they get to sell you a sign + the item that lets you put your picture on it. That's the main reason. Not like they bother banning porn or nothing. And sprays are free...
>>735173359>You can't see them on official servers no matter whatYou can see them if you already had that player's spray cached which effectively is never going to happen unless you both happened to be on the same community server beforehand.
>ruins your game
>>735166101What warranted this war?
>>735172269Please tell me somehow they ended up contacting the freemasons
is there a way to make viewmodels smaller in classified?
>>735174162isn't there a slider to change viewmodel_fov in the game settings?
>>735174204there is
>>735174204not that, im talking about "tf_use_min_viewmodels "
>>735140360>spy running at me with no disguse and no deadringer>if I backstep then he'll swing at the air in front of me and instantly kill me>if I sidestep I'll likely miss my shotgun>if I go in for melee I'll 100% die because my melee weapons are pool noodles
>>735174278not that im aware of.
>>735174284Just use the shotgun and kill them lmao
>harvest>do contract>time is running out, i have few points left>fuckass demoknight tries to kill me instead of helping his team cap>airblast his ass to the point and let blu team capngl, i never felt so powerful in my entire life
>>735140360A red spy for a blue medic is a trade worth making
