Why couldn't Bethesda understand Fallout?
Not even interplay understood fallout.
>>735159129Given how Fallout 2 turned out, nobody could
>>735159129they did an okay job,considering they already had an established "bethesda-like" genre
>>735159129because they make action rpgs and not real rpgs
What is there to understand Humans will fight themselves for resources like they have for millenia. Simple as
>>735159195I mean FO2 cramps the thing with pop culture references and the dark humor too much but at least it gets the vibe of the first game at least before you get to SF but Bethesda straight put turned it into a meme.
No one understand Fallout...
>>735159343yeap but the problem lies withon the way you tell the story and the elements of it's narrative, either make it right like FO1 or have it the reddit way the Bethesda way
Cause they refuse to let go of that shitty engine.
>>735159512>the reddit way>not FO2
>>735159129Because they didn't want to understand
>>735159512The Bethesda-way is normie-core, dummy. Reddit fits much better with FO2.
>>735159667the pop culture references are balanced out with the use of well (non meme) executed dark humor and the overall violence and darkness of the plot and scenarios.
>>735159476Wtf is Fallout exacly?
Old Fallout sucks and grognards need to move on
>>735160028A boy and his dog with the exploration of the human condition packed in a GURPSesque game.
>>735159129Fallout 3 was more like fallout 1Fallout new gayas & 4 are like fallout 2
I agree the Bethesda Fallouts weren't in the spirit of the originals, but they were still fun. 3, NV, and 4 could have been a new post-apocalyptic 1950's inspired series and I don't think they'd get nearly the flack they do.
>>735159129because they don't make RPGs. it's easier and more lucrative to turn fallout into an elder scrolls reskin
>>735159392FUCK no. Bethesda literally treated the franchise with more seriousness than Fallout 2 did. There is LITERALLY marvel and pop culture bullshit in every single area. Muh talking wacky critters. When I walked up to a character while wearing power armor and he literally just straight up said that this was a video game I wanted to stop playing. It's too much and completely kills immersion. I literally prefer fucking Fallout 3 because the tone is consistent at least. Fallout 1 was based and 2 is a shitty proto reddit marvel game for niggers with ZERO immersion.>>735159195Yeah, it's hilarious to see people talk about how it was bethesda that split the fanbase. It was split with the release of the literal second game.
>>735159129By the time Bethesda was involved you couldn't make a game like FO1 anymore. They adapted with the times and, going by the success of their games since then, gamers accepted the different approach.
>>735159129They do understand it, they just don't want to keep it that way.
>like all the gamesok. you guys have fun flinging shit at each other.
>>735160509Black Isle couldn't make a game like FO1 either.
>>735159848there are so many stupid fucking quips and references there is NO balance. The game has a retarded tone and kills any and all immersion. Fallout 1 shits on it so hard despite it being a much shorter game. >>735160231Exactly. Bethesda took direct inspiration from 1 for 3 and it shows. Tonally and aesthetically it is the true successor. And even mechanically, which I always found fucking hilarious since people talk trash about how you can just save scum speech outcomes in 3, but that is LITERALLY how it works in 2 fucking LMAO.
>>735160587at least FO2 knows how to worldbuild, something Bethesda doesn't even know exists.
>>735160829looks like shit. Thankfully Bethesda fixed this in the TV adaptation and turned it into a real city with skyscrapers and electricty and running water.
>>735161426poor quality bait
>>735161426retard
>>735160028the fucking intro explains and sets the tone better than any other game to date
>>735160829The worldbuilding in Fallout 2 is shit. You do know that when people say "worldbuilding," they don't literally mean "there are buildings in the world," right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHrrBTj8hpE
>>735159129Todd is a redditorEmil is a hack
>>735163969>>735163969fallout 2 is a reddit game so it's perfect
>>735160427>>735160587Did everyone forget that Black Isle were paid advisors during Fallout 3s development?
>>735167308Yes. Especially that one forum.
i feel like the only fallout game that understood fallout is the Fallout: Sonora mod of all things, fo2 is a bit too heavy on pop culture references and i'm not gonna mention whatever the fuck bethesda did with their games
>>735167419playing it right now on my old ass samsung crt. Not sure why they decided to copy the fallout 2 starting dungeon and fill it with 3 million rats but whatever
>>735167595the rats are fine but gazan children throwing rocks at you are annoying
>>735168095I just climbed out and got my suit on, guess I'll be getting the CK perk again
>>735159129This >>735160531Maximum profit means dumbing things down for the lowest common denominator.
>>735169489Fallout 2 was already made for the lowest common denominator; it was made for redditors.
>>735163071Of course I know it, but you know exactly what I mean, Interplay in FO1 understood at least that people in the enw world after the war would create their own stuff and develope their own styles of life like architecture, to bethesda people in the new world have to live under the shadow of the old one living in scrapeyards for 200+ years unable to you know live in a post nuclear world independent of the old one.
>>735159129it's not that they couldn't they just didn't want to. We bought thing, ok lets make a new game, how do we make it recognizable? Ok take that shit, take mutants, take BoS, take caps. Now shove it all in our theme park and we'll do what we normally do for the rest: B/W morality, Vampires, raiders obviously leave corpses around everywhere, tiny towns with no purpose.
>>735170851Going back from gold coins to caps was criminal, and copy and pasting all factions from 2 to 3 not to say that they revived the BoS when it was clear they went extinct in 2 is a move Bethesda doesn't get enough hate for.
>>735169589Not really. F2's problem was lack of time and coordination. There was no guy with a vision to tard wrangle everybody so they went wild, and there was no time for rewrites, so lots of dumb ideas/jokes slipped through. New Vegas had Van Buren to draw from so there was less coming up with new ideas and more tying things together, which made that game seem more coherent.Bethesda is clearly malicious, though. From day one they wanted to turn it into a brand to sell Vault Boy plushies, Nuka-Cola promotional drinks, etc. The games standing as mere advertising, and who needs complex themes on advertising?Hell, at one point they realized they didn't even need to make games anymore, just let Amazon make a dumb show so even people who never played a game before can buy their shit.
it's ok to hate FO2 now?
why did bethesda canonized aliens? when are we gonna see a tardis in game?
>>735172101When the BBC goes under and Microsoft buys the Doctor Who rights.
