What makes a game "hard but fair"? And what makes a game "hard and unfair"?
"hard but fair"making a shit thread"hard and unfair"making a video game thread
>>735161504>hard but fairNecrodancer, Nuclear Throne>hard but unfairRoguelikes with RNG
>hard but fairyou learn a skill that the game tests you on, and your adequacy with the skill will always determine your ability to pass this test>hard and unfairtrial and error
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>>735161504>hard but fairShmups, character action games, Roguelike deck buildersGames where player skill is the forefront and RNG is unlikely to end you. >hard but unfairAction roguelites, rhythm games, trial and error/KaizoGames where RNG or long term failure + memorization is the only way to progress.
>>735161504>"hard and unfair"2-4 hour NES games that pad the playtime with no checkpoints and entire levels of "fuck you" moments
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>hard but fairFailure is punished harshly, but the game can be mastered to make full use of its gameplay with reliable results.>hard but unfairHarsh punishment, with gameplay limitations and unreliable results.>easy and fairLight punishment, full gameplay suite and reliable results.>easy but unfairLight punishment, but gameplay is limited and results are unreliable.Yakuza Kiwami would be my example for easy but unfair. Boss fights are annoying and bullshit because they can no-sell your combos and invincibility-frame dodge around or even through you, and you can't cancel your own attack strings in time to guard. The flipside is that they deal piddling damage and you can carry tons of heals you can use from a pause menu. So the fights aren't hard, they're just extremely unfun.
>>735161504>hard but fairrhythm games, action roguelikesGames where players skill is the forefront and RNG is unlikely to end you>hard but unfairShmups, Roguelike deck builders, character action gamesGames where RNG or long term failure+memorization is the only way to progress
>>735161874How is rhythm game unfair game design. It's like shmups
>>735161874braindead casual take post>roguelike deckbuilders>not rng basedlmao. play Balatro on gold stake shitter
Hard but fair is journalist jargon for games with simon says combat. You die if you fail but it requires no training to master the system.
>>735161504I would only call a game unfair if it doesn't transparently lay out the rules and maintain internal consistency. But I wouldn't call that hard, just poorly designed and annoying.
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>>735161504>What makes a game "hard but fair"?A game I do okay in.>And what makes a game "hard and unfair"?Game I suck at, but its the game's fault and not mine.That's every single post like this, now you don't have to reply to them again and can save yourself some time.
