>>735534785
Because Nomura is trying to turn KH4 into Versus XIII and as expected the game is stuck in an endless development hell cycle.
The wait between KH3 and KH4 will soon be longer than the wait between DDD and KH3, if it isn't already.

>>735534785
Because they decided to continue to add nonsensical plot points in order to squeeze as much money from this as possible and made it so convoluted to the point of retardation.

>>735534785
They thought KH fans would be playing Missing Link right now instead of waiting for KH4.

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>>735534918
>DDD: Mar. 2012
>KH3: Jan 2019
It was slightly less than 7 years, so we've passed that point since Nov. 2025.
And note that MOM came out in Nov. 2020, so its been a little over 5 years since the last KH game. And about 3 years since the KH4 teaser trailer.
Personally KH3 and MOM killed my interest in where the series is going next. It is kind of nice to not care as much. I'll probably watch someone else play KH4 if/when it comes out instead of play it myself.

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>>735534918
>DDD to 3 was 2012 to 2019
>a 7 year gap
>KH3 was released 7 years ago
How the fuck has it been that long already? It feels like it came out just a few months ago.

Imagine how much wasted time could've been avoided if they just made Missing Link an MMO on the PC rather than another phone game.

>>735535360
Now it feels amazing we have none of the KH 'spin offs' given there were a brazillian amounts of them between 2 and 3.

>>735535335
You know, I thought maybe Square Enix might have learned their lesson with KH3 and how the spin-off games only made the story even more stupid and confusing for newer players, that they would avoid making MORE spin-off games. But I guess I forgot about that rhythm game and that new supposed cancelled mobile game.
Truly wasted effort that could have been spent on a mainline game, much like the other spin offs.
The way they develop these games is retarded.

>>735534918
It’s actually insane how KH accidentally looped back into the Versus XIII curse. Nomura finally got his realistic city, black coat boys, cryptic “true reality” nonsense and now we’re just sitting here again waiting a decade for him to sort out his feelings.

At this point KH4 is less “the next game” and more “Nomura’s midlife crisis with a budget.” Wouldn’t even be shocked if we get another engine swap halfway through and a vague “please look forward to it” in 2028.

>>735534785
cause the story is no longer simple and clean

>>735534785
because they refuse to make a game

>>735534785
It's not, but releases have slowed because game development times have skyrocketed for some reason.

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>>735536230
It's my particular autistic obsession, but I'm surprised we haven't had some kind of multiplayer KH game to hold us off until KH4.
Missing Link was probably meant to be that 'low effort, infinite treadmill until next game', but since that died.... It's a pain in the ass to set up 358 and BBS for online, so I don't count those.

>>735534785
>Why is Kingdom Hearts dead?
Because Square is desperately hoping Final Fantasy will save the company despite the brand being dead to anyone under 35.

>>735534785
The time gap between releases is too large. I used to he the biggest KH fag. Even loved BBS when everyone else hated it. The DS games too. Then I kept waiting for KH3, waited soooo long I completely forgot about the story. Now I don't care anymore.

>>735535360
>Personally KH3 and MOM killed my interest in where the series is going next
I mean I understand that with 3 but what did the rhythm game do to you lmao its just a rhythm game, a pretty decent one too

>>735534785
>current final fantasy games are shit
>current Disney movies are shit
You have your answer

Nomura is a shit writer who should never have been let off his leash and the talent behind 1 and 2 left square years ago.

>>735534785
3 was supposed to be the grand finale that was supposed to answer every question that has been building up from game to game and it ended up answering very few while adding even more questions while also saying "this is just the end of the first arc" as if anyone gives a fuck.

>>735537223
It's SE fault desu, KH is way too complicated for zoomers and alpha gen kids to jump in, they should have let Nomura make a new ip with KH gameplay

>>735537223
They want to force kh onto it, it's obvious nomura is fucking tired of Kingdom hearts

>>735534785
Not enough zettaflare

>>735538276
Been there. I was one also until 3D introduced (reestablished?) time travel and I realized they're making up the story as they went along that I tuned off then and there. Still enjoying it as it was though and I'm genuinely waiting to play 4 for its combat. As weird as 3's combat was, there's something there and I'm hoping they can refine it for 4. Crossing my finger but I won't hold my breath.

>>735535389
perception of time as you get older means each passing moment seems smaller compared to the total amount of moments experienced. at 10 years old, a year is a tenth of your total time experience. at 30, a year is a thirtieth of your total time experience. the length is the same, but seems smaller comparatively.
plus, covid fucked everything up. i feel like i lost a chunk of my life. time just sort of stopped and started again several years later.

>>735534785
because disney is dead and final fantasy is dead but they have to churn out ff7r3 anyway.

>>735534785
KH3 killed it.

Another franchise squandered by SE's terrible management and Nomura's autism.

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>>735539238
im suddenly 35

>>735534785
Complete brand mismanagement on both fronts.
>Nomura's a crazy person who kept ballooning the story far beyond the point of what it should have been, prior games feel like homework and prevent new fans from entering
>KH3 was a complete mishmosh of gameplay styles that couldn't decide on what it wanted to be and turned away a lot of people
>Bob Iger sank the Disney brand completely on his own, it is current year, and people associate Disney with creative bankruptcy, Pixar with uglyness, Marvel with slop content, and Star Wars with Kathleen Kennedy
>what >>735534918 said
If they were smart, they would've ended Sora's story at 2, swapped to a new protag, and used that as a jumping off point to test new ideas and try to cultivate a new fanbase while tying back to old material to string old fans along. Literally nearly every other RPG has done this, Final Fantasy especially.

>>735538841
Yeah. If they wanted to make something new maybe a reboot would be better.

>>735534785
>Games scattered as exclusive on every platform possible, like phone or even one on GameBoy Advance
>Hyper convoluted plot
>Sora just wants to get back with his friends, but that would end the game series, so after KH2 it just feels like it's being forced
>Different game, rule changes
>Sora solves every issue possible in a second because muh power of heart, while Xesomething fails despite years of experiments

>>735534785
Maybe if they added non-movie stuff like Gargoyles and Darkwing Duck, then it would've been great.
And imagine what would've been if Disney didn't loose the rights to the Mighty Ducks and thus the animated show...

>>735534785
It's a licensing nightmare.

>>735534785
releasing a game once per decade probably isn't helping

Square Enix is such unfettered dogshit its unreal

>>735534785
KH3 has a lot of problems but the thing that actually killed it among normalfags was that dogshit Skrillex song. All the hype for the game died the instant they released the trailer with thar song. Literally a complete reverse of the original KH which was hard carried by those Simple and Clean commercials.

>>735534785
>development on ff7r trilogy took priority
>developmemt on missing link was hell and then it was canceled
>no spin-off console worth noting
>disney movies have become trash since before 3 came out
>versus 13 ideas recycled into kh4 and therefore rights and brand identity bullshit with disney and square

>>735534785
>Square Enix
>Disney
>Nomura
>The Jews
Formula for disaster past 2012 if we're being honest

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>>735534785
KH gameplay was always super-simplistic so the franchise was riding on the IP crossover fantasy world for success. But now the plot is nonsensical because Nomura loves his OCs too much to kill them, so now we have clones and clones possessed by originals running around everywhere. Example Chain of Memories with its clone subplots so Nomura can milk drama over Sora and Riku bickering because one of them is a clone and other amnesiac. Or KH2 where Riku disguises like KH1 main villain Ansem so Nomura can milk drama and misunderstanding over it.

On the other end Disney both simultaneously heavily restricts what Nomura can do with Disney characters, which is why we get so many "Disney film but lame as fuck bootleg version and Sora tags along."-levels, or the games censoring some of the PoTC violence and nasty words. Also nu-Disney has been steadily losing its appeal over the years so Disney crossover is no longer considered special or unique.

>>735536912
Do note that not every plot point left hanging by union cross could have been covered in 4. And the cast has ballooned heavily with nearly everybody coming back to life in 3 and everybody who died in 3 probably coming back to life in 4 including xehanort and eraqus.

>>735546385
>dogshit Skrillex song
QRD?

Is Versus XIII cursed?

>>735546385
>>735546662
Idk dude I met a normie who did DJing and he liked the song but knew nothing about KH, then I showed him the Intro cinematic that went with the song and he figured out it was a bad match.

>>735534785
Disney doesn't give a shit about KH anymore. The genre of consumerist emos who loved that shit all grew out of one of those adjectives or the other, so they don't buy the games or the merchandise anymore. Not even in Japan.
That, plus the fact that Disney has tightened the screws on its brand image even more than they did back then, plus-plus the fact that Disney would rather see more recent IPs get representation in the series, in more and more verbatim form. While Nomura and his team would rather draw on stuff that isn't from the last 20 years, and actually deviate from the plots of the movies in the process. That means Nomura isn't happy with anything Disney wants to put in KH4, and Disney isn't happy with what Nomura wants to do with the series. There's a big, ridiculous impasse, and Disney really doesn't care whether or not a new Kingdom Hearts game actually gets made. They're not the ones paying for it.

>>735535360
Kingdom Hearts 3 poses exactly the same problem that the MCU and MLP faced. They gave a long-running, beloved franchise a clean point to jump off. When people have been following your series for years and their primary motivation is attachment to specific characters or a single long-term story arc, you can't expect to finally resolve that story thread and not see a good chunk of your audience say "I got my closure. I'm good from here, thanks."

In the MCU, most of the characters people actually cared about either died, had their arcs completed (sometimes between movies with zero fanfare.) or were retired from the franchise, so when they wrapped up the story arc that they set up with the first Avengers movie, a lot of people stopped caring.

In Kingdom Hearts, every major plot thread and every major character returns and there's one final conflict that takes most of the major villains out of the plot going forward and every protagonist's baggage gets resolved when everyone but Sora gets a happy ending.

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Because it's not releasing side games anymore because people threw a fit over having to buy Nintendo handhelds and the only handheld that exists nowadays is the Switch/Switch 2 and those fucking things are still PS3 and PS4 grade power so games for those are still gonna take a while

>>735546746
Too edgy for AAA in modern day.

>>735546584
And then Nomura makes sure in 4 most of the cast will get their Castle Oblivion homunculus clones on top of that. Maybe they will get their own Heartless and Nobodies so Nomuras precious non-Disney OCs can triple in number and Sora can have endless scenes of talking to a character that looks like his friend or previous enemy but actually isn't and they're just talking over each other.

>>735538306
This. SE is terribly mismanaged and sees KH as lower on the totem poll then some of their other properties. They kept yanking Nomura to work on other shit.

>>735546802
Roxas ventus xion namime and kairi are the only remaining victims of that shit and I'd be shocked if they were present for 4. The only other possible characters having to deal with themselves in the next game are brain dealing with Luxu (was meant to be in missing link) and if Sora and Player are the same character after player's second death.
You may have ventus having another darkness that isn't vanitas as well.
Everybody else is their whole selves and the the only factor that matters is whether they are dead dead (in quadratum) or not.

>>735546795
/thread

>>735546792
Marvel sold everyone on the cinematic universe bullshit so now they're still trying to keep up this absurdly big and costly way of telling stores that doesn't work, it won't be long until it's officialized that it's over for good.
Kingdom Hearts completely lost the plot on what made it appealing (putting cartoon characters in serious emo rpg) in favor of chasing Nomura's stupid fanfic, which is now pretty much over and no one really cares about the new MoM bullshit aside from the diehard fans.
I'm almost expecting Disney to pull a Marvel Tokon and find a different developer to make a new RPG series, while Kingdom Hearts stays in the dust.

>>735547029
But I'm saying Nomura can't help himself. Wouldn't be surprised if KH4 is going to have a Kairi clone number 4.

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>>735547159
>Kingdom Hearts completely lost the plot on what made it appealing (putting cartoon characters in serious emo rpg)
This. KH1 and KH2 at times resemble something of a Halloween-themed cartoon and thats not counting the NBC levels. Early Epic Mickey concept art had the same vibe going on before Disney censored it. Given how kid-themed horror games are all the rage with underage audience and conversely all amusement parks host more adult-oriented Halloween events each year its weird how Disney is so reluctant to do or have an IP like that.

Brave teen friends going on an adventure that is a mix of cartoony and warm places and some darkly themed gothic halloween places. Kingdom Hearts and Abe's Oddysee made a ton of money with such a simple idea, indie horror games are making big money with that shit and yet Disney is reluctant to do it in this day and age. They would rather make a movie where every character is a tranny homo than an adventure in a spooky land where cute cartoon animals are oppressed by creepy demons.

>>735548521
God I love the world that never was. Why is the keyblade graveyard so shit. Scala ad caelum isn't great either.

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>>735548614
Oh yeah American Mcgee's Alice was another big one, forgot to mention that.

>>735534785
Nomura was a guy perfectly adapted to the dev environment of the 2000's, where you could pump out a pretty meaty game in 2 years and work on 5 projects simultaneously
Now any AAA game takes 5+ years and teams of hundreds and AA development has been effectively killed, meaning it's impossible to function the way anything did previously
Which actually is weird as fuck considering everyone's working on streamlined user friendly engines now whereas the PS2 was notorious for being maybe the most difficult platform to develop for in history

>>735534785
Casual fans only ever played 1 and 2 and checked out after 3. The core fanbase doesnt have a mobile game to drip feed lore and game discussion is fucked thanks to social media. Also SE is a shitshow that doesnt know how to manage games.

>>735549030
This, the only reason to care about the spinoffs is for lore reasons, gameplay wise only the numbered entries are good.

>>735534785
it got relegated to spin-off shit for over a decade, and when 3 finally released it was a train wreck.

>>735548943
>Now any AAA game takes 5+ years and teams of hundreds and AA development has been effectively killed,
Not necessarily. Capcom, Bandai Namco and Koei Tecmo all have their designated B- and C-teams churning out lower budget stuff while their big main teams focus on the mainline games. First Code Vein was developed like that.

incoherent story
rushed loose ends
extra cringe gameplay
ugly unreal engine graphics
Announcing games way too early
Nomura wasting time on FF7R trilogy

I hope Duskfade turns out to be decent.

>>735546746
Yes but se could have allowed the new versus to be a thing, nobody fucking cares about kh

>>735549196
Square Enix also have smaller teams, they just don't advertise those games for some reason (they released neo twewy without marketing and during P5 steam release, they didn't advertise SO6, Valkyrie, paranormasight, little shoes and that tactics game)

>do you like Kingdom Hearts!? want even more lore!? Play this obscure spin off exclusive to a niche japanese only phone that sold 1,000 units tops. No, we will never release it outside japan. Have fun!
nah bruh I am outa

>>735549183

This. 3 was so fucking disappointing on all levels.

>>735549359

This may have played a part as well and, if i could add anything, it would be that walking away or rather running out of old Disney classic worlds to play with did the series no favors. That´s the thing about meta stuff, with both Disney and Square going to shit there was just no way for KH to survive.

>>735549103
It's crazy because Dark Road unironically had some of the best storytelling and Disney world integration in the series but they had to speed through it because of it getting canceled.

>>735549703
Kind of hard to maintain any kind of streamlined marketing schedule when you're shitting out a new AA game every 2 weeks.
Though I guess went from that to years of silence now.

Square Enix is slow as shit when making games

what the heck is Dark Road

>>735537223
His genius will be recognised by the masses too late

>>735534785
Probably because its fucking dumb

>>735534785
I hopped out when they started with the (now dead) mobile game. No interest in getting important plot and lore details drip fed. BBS and DDD were already annoying enough but at least they were actual releases you can still play today.

>>735534785
Final Fantasy 7 Remake gets all the attention

>>735535360
How come I thought this was Master Chief lol? And I don’t even play Halo.

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>>735538276
In short, Kingdom Hearts is mismanaged despite being under Square and Disney.

>>735550316
It's an epilogue of sorts to X and to Norty's story in general where you find out that as a kid he and Eraqus witnessed darkness Columbine and that's why he's evil or some shit.

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>>735538306
>Because Square is desperately hoping Final Fantasy will save the company despite the brand being dead to anyone under 35.

Even Yoshi-P said it himself, game development cycles becoming longer is what will kill the gaming industry and all that will probably be left is indies.

>>735553717
Less like an industry crash and more like an industry resizing then. Big companies will burn like they fucking deserve and smaller more indie-friendly publishers will start popping up.

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Dead and Buried

>>735553512
Chances of Marluxia being the new main villain in KH4? Or did he die permanently in KH3, I can't remember, it's been too long.

χ-blade!

>>735554119
The new villain is Xigbar/Braig/Luxu because the Master told him to lug a literal mystery box around. Riveting shit I know.

>>735534785
A game combining Disney, Final Fantasy and emo culture could only really exist during a brief span of time in the early 00s.

>KH thread already taken over by normalfags who don't even play the games
Shame

>>735554283
I like Xigbar so that's fine by me, but I also love Marluxia so I was hoping that he'd have a more central role again like in Chain Of Memories.

>Be zoomer/alpha
>watch your favorite streamer
>play games they play
On the other side the streamer has to pick the game they play
>kingdom hearts
>Disney perms
>Square perms
Nobody wants to deal with that horse shit. Your target audience doesn't know KH exist.

>>735554552
>>Be zoomer/alpha
>>watch your favorite streamer
>>play games they play
And that's where you already fucked up.

>>735534785
Ran out of good disney stuff, it's no coincidence that the only good games have classic or renaissance disney shit in them

>>735554603
That's just how normies get their media info nowadays. They don't have gaming mags or physical store displays to gawk at

>>735554657
They could have hit a new audience if they did the TV series like Gravity Falls and Owl House.
>inb4 only troons and women like those
so perfect for Kingdom Hearts.

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>>735554119
Marluxia is a good guy and he wants to find his sister. His sister is helping sora in the afterlife

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Kingdom Hearts 3 had a great finale. But they got cocky and tried to set up a whole new storyline without any games in the pipeline. More mystery boxes, more mobile game lore, more breadcrumbs. But no games.
People made jokes about 3 never coming out, but this time I really don't know.

>>735554740
People aren’t ready for the playable Hooty kino.

>>735537223
Nomura already said that KH4 will be his last KH game, should be the end of the series but both SE and Disney are too creatively bankrupt to let an IP sunset.

>>735554740
Neither Nomura, Disney, nor Japanese gamers gives a shit about the TV series so it ain't happening.

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>>735554946
The japs could have gotten Fireball as a pacifier.

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>>735554119

He was always the second strongest Organization member after Xemnas. But he's good now and just wants to find his sister.

>>735534785
>KH1
>released on 2002
>KH3
>Released on 2019
Nobody is gonna have the patience to follow it for 17 years, and all the spin offs it has.
So there's 2 main problems here.
The fans of the series will slowly be lost as they moved on with life.
Newcomers couldn't get into the series because it gets way too complicated and require too much efforts just to get yourself up to date with everything.

>>735553717
People can handle one game every 5 years as long as they don't shit the bed
You have to realize, mainline final fantasy has been shit for as long as most zoomers have been alive, they don't know anything else
FFX came out TWENTY-FIVE YEARS AGO

>>735554283
the "new" villain is the same that it was since Ux Darkness, MoM is going to drink the darkness kool aid too much thinking he can get the job done and is going to get played.

>>735555028
I can only name 1 spin-off released and even there we can make the argument that isn't an spin-off

not numbered series=/=spin-off

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>>735534785
Darkness

>>735555017
Roxas was more powerful than him. Xigbar and marluxia are heavily nerfed by lack of access to their keyblades.

>>735546224
Did you hear they’re integrating AI into Dragon Quest 10?

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>>735534785
graphics unironically
square deciding to move away from the art style the series had for the past 2 decades caused development time for these games to skyrocket.
art takes way too long

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>>735555337
They honestly ruined it.
Imagine spending so much time & efforts for a inferior product.

>>735534785
It went from being about good Disney characters mixed with Final Fantasy to being about bad modern Disney characters with Nomura's faggot retard OCs

Absolutely nobody is interested in it that isn't severely autistic with weeb syndrome ontop.
The fancy collection they released to get people caught up for 3 just made me progressively more angry and unwilling to continue until 3 just straight up skips past a bunch off-screen plot again and made permanently hate this stupid fucktarded completely insane dumbass moron bullshit.

I consider people who still care about Kingdom Hearts lesser beings than humans.

>>735555337
SE forcing Nomura to switch engines and restart 3 from scratch really fucked things up

>>735554409
Wrong.
I played every single one when it came out and I fucking hate this trash. Easily the worst story in the entire industry.

>>735555652
The Disney characters you got to team up with in 3 were one thing I did like about that game, especially because you got duos now.
>Woody and Buzz
>Mike and Sully
>Rapunzel and Eugene
>Hercules finally
>CAPTAIN Jack Sparrow
Baymax and Marshmallow are whatever though.

>>735546662
The new opening is by Skrillex and sounds exactly like you took the vocals from Simple and Clean and slapped them over Bangarang.

>>735554409
they haven't released a game in forever

The story of KH has been dead to me since KH2 ended on a perfect note, so I'm fully on board with Nomura trying to turn the series into bootleg VersusXIII.

My personal schizo theory is that Verum Rex is Nomura's attempt to do KH without Disney.
The reason I'm saying this is because
>"fake" Verum Rex trailer in Toy Box
>box art shows a made-up game console logo
>BUT it has the real Square Enix logo on it
>BUT ALSO no Disney logo to go along with it

This makes me think that Verum Rex has been internally established as an original IP that is completely owned by SE, and it's simply "lending" its characters to KH, just like the FF and TWEWY characters.
In that sense, Yozora isn't a KH character (and thus owned by Disney), but a Verum Rex character that is simply "crossing over" with Kingdom Hearts. Therefore, a hypothetical Verum Rex game could be made entirely without Disney's involvement.

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>>735555637
>>735555884
I'm not even referring to the engine swap that happened during dev in 3. That ultimately didn't change much other than get the game out the door.
the biggest problem is they went from ps2 era models and hand painted textures in relatively simple rooms to high quality models with large environments and vastly different rendering styles per world.
that burns time and money, I can't imagine Disney is helping either when they say shit like "You have to do a shot for shot recreation of Let it Go and it has to be perfect".

>>735555203

Xigbar is only powerful now because Nomura has a favorite character.

well, KH4 will come out. they already said they are working hard on it and the time just isnt right for them to show more. the series has a supposed ending in mind, according to nomura. but it will be kind of strange to never expect anything from the series at some point but who knows. the story and everything else is good so none of that is the reason like these shitposters claim.

>>735556575
you might be onto something. verum rex will be an actual game. Nomura already confirmed this. its supposedly coming out after kh4

>>735555885
cool I love it. kill yourself you already wasted your time. dont waste my oxygen

>>735538434
>what did the rhythm game do to you
Introduce 'worlds of fiction' and how Fairy Godmother shows up and has super teleporting abilities like what is going on with the story now. I get going into data worlds, memory worlds, dream worlds, but now we have fictional worlds? What are those, and how are they different than the other worlds? Are we going into video games and books, like Hundred Acre Woods, in KH4? Whats that got to do with Sora meeting Yozora and all that? It seems confusing for the sake of being confusing to me. I don't see the motivation to want to learn more about any of that.

>>735534785
They need to find a way to remake CoM, Days, BBS, DDD for console cucks so the can catch up on the port instead of just getting lost between KH1 and KH2

>>735534785
I’m with the notion that I’m fine with the series continuing but Sora’s story should’ve ended at 2 and introduced a new protagonist onwards, Birth By Sleep kind of had the right blueprints for that approach.

It’s called Kingdom Hearts, not the adventures of Sora so nothing suggested it couldn’t have just had a rotating cast of MCs like many IPs like Final Fantasy, Persona, Resident Evil etc.

>>735534785
they stopped making games for it, like lots of franchises

>>735556607
>I can't imagine Disney is helping either when they say shit like "You have to do a shot for shot recreation of Let it Go and it has to be perfect"
I remember a story about the time it took to create Rapunzel's hair physics......

>>735555183
darkness within darkness awaits you

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i always hated organization 13. I hate that all the nobodies are original characters and not like nobody versions of disney villains or even old final fantasy characters and villains. instead we got nomuras version of a host club

>>735534785
Actually, Kingdom hearts...is Light!

>>735558981
SE an Nomura already made dissidia for you

>>735535360
i should have listened when they told me how fast time would pass as i grew older...

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>>735556575
I'd love for him to make a legally distinct Versus 13 so we can just pretend FF15 never happened. Verum Rex is so heavily tied into KH3 that I'm worried any characters from it are owned by Disney.

>>735555885
Why did you keep playing them if you hate them so much?

>>735534785
peaked with 2, then the company went to shit

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>>735558914
The director of Frozen was head of Disney animation at the time, and she clearly screeched at the developers for daring to do something new with her creation.

>>735559105
Dissidia Duellum just launched if anyone cares…

>>735535389
>>735535360
Ayy they were pretty incompetent during Covid I wouldn't be surprised if it did take another 2 years

>>735534785
>Why is Kingdom Hearts dead?
Because the people who played KH as kids are now 40 with kids of their own. They don't care about the 8th installment of the Final FantasyxDisney crossover rpg they played when they were in middle school anymore.

>>735559702
>not available in my country
>even if it was, my potato phone probably isn't compatible with it
Guess I'll just watch some gameplay of it...

>>735559702
No one cares about that Dissidia.

>>735534785
okay, i believe you

>>735546526
>KH gameplay was always super-simplistic

On the contrary, it was always one of the more polished and deep ARPGs in terms of gameplay. Stuff like Soulsborne or Nier is a jankfest in comparison to it.

>>735534785
I don't think Square likes the rules disney has for the movie worlds. Honestly though maybe they should just do original worlds only at this point.

>>735534785
is kh3 really that bad? My sister who is huge kh fan said she didnt finish the game because it felt odd

>>735560823
It's pretty fucking bad, both the story and gameplay. The only good part is the Pirates world.

>>735560823
You spend 90% of the game ignoring the main plot, dicking around in Disney worlds until the very end where the game decided it's time to rapidly barrage you with plot points from every game and spinoff in the series to tie things up.

Nomura just doesn’t have “it” anymore

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I'm about to play KH3 for the first time
Should I use Critical Converter? I've heard a lot of people hate the Attraction feature but it seems pretty cool and flashy to me and it feels like it'd be a shame to disable them but would it be for the best?

>>735560823
Without getting into too much detail:
Gameplay wise, KH3 feels like a fangame. It has that Unreal Engine stank and it's overbloated with mechanics and options taken from previous games that all ultimately do the same thing.
Story wise, KH3 feels like a parody of KH. It's what people who haven't played KH think KH is. Just vapid dialogue and characters awkwardly inserted into recreated scenes from Disney movies.
It feels very phoned in.

>>735561118
Attractions are cool but the problem they eat up too much screen time as you get used to them and you just want to fight, so some disable it after a while

>>735561198
>Just vapid dialogue and characters awkwardly inserted into recreated scenes from Disney movies.
I mean, this is applicable to basically every single game in the series except for maybe KH1.

>>735561118
It's definitely worth trying them once, and it's a fun layer to combat queuing up an Attraction and using it to deal as much damage as possible. At times, though, a fight will be really fucking hard and you'll realize you don't want attraction commands for it. Critical Converter is a useful ability because formchanges are amazing and you basically want as many as possible. Switch that ability on only if the game is too hard without it.

>>735534785
because 3 was dogshit
i still cant bring myself to finish it after waiting for it for 10+ years

>>735561648
The ending was limp, you didn’t miss anything

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>>735535360
Has it really been 7 years? feels like only yesterday that I bought a PS3 because obiously KH3 would eventually release on it

>>735561738
I dropped it twice after hitting pizza planet, I just lose all my interest each time
I'll give it one more try before the year ends maybe

>>735561801
What’s making you stop? You on proud or something? You won’t find anything worthwhile unless you play critical

>>735561780
>I bought a PS3 because obiously KH3 would eventually release on it
I bought a PS3 for Versus13, literally a couple months before it was announced that it would be on PS4 as FF15
Then I bought a PS4 for FF15 as well
I'm fucking goycattle

>>735558380
>fairy godmother has teleporting abilities now i can't understand it
The Disney magic characters have always been ridiculously overpowered compared to the rest of the world.
>xehanort needs to follow strict universal rules in order to time travel, not allowed to change history everything he is doing is fate
>sora breaks the rules of time travel and gets punted out of the world as a result
>merlin can whip up a door to the past that allows you to travel both body and heart and potentially affect the timeline, never punished
As for what fictional worlds are, we just don't know since there isn't any story explaining what they are.

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I’m still irritated that Missing Link was cancelled.

>>735561957
boredom and burnout
its weird because I used to really want to know what happens next but the game feels like shit

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>>735534785
>Modern disney sucks.
Imagine the new shitty worlds. The encanto world where you can talk about muh generational trauma? Nu star wars shit considering how much disney is miking those? Break it ralph with amazon product placements? The only cool stuff i can imagine is a zootopia world playing like lego city uc or a moana world with some sea fights.
>Modern ff sucks.
I don't want to see the fags from 15, lightning or clive or whatever the fuck is the mc of 16. They are souless and irrelevant.
>Too much relying on the mobile shit and whatever the fuck happened on 3.
KH3 bombed badly on story terms. They already did the ensable from the other games and killed\removed half the cast. What is the next step? Xigbar against the world? Somehow shota xeanorth returns? There is not much more to explore on the ideas of 1-com-2
>Fanbase getting old.
Not really an explanation. I can play kh1-2 and all the spinoffs without problems because i have nostalgia goggles but a new chapter?

The most i can see them doing is a cycle of remasters for ps5.

>>735561598
>At times, though, a fight will be really fucking hard and you'll realize you don't want attraction commands for it.
>Switch that ability on only if the game is too hard without it.
From what I've heard people's main gripe with Attractions were that they were too powerful as a free nuke essentially. I figured that the formchanges are probably more balanced but is that not the case?

>>735562021
I'm not, if it were a proper console game I would but putting the most critical info of the series in fucking gachas should be punishable with death.

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>>735562021
I miss player

>>735534785
There's simply nothing "new" to talk about. Because its almost a fresh start we barely even have much to schizo speculate over either and so many are still mad over KH3 that unless the new trailers for 4 blow everyone away its not going to change much. SE will likely still try to push KH4 as this fun for everyone Disney crossover game where it was never supposed to be for normies at all.

>>735534785
Because they release 1, CoM and 2 in a coherent time frame.
Then they decided to release everything but Kingdom Hearts 3 in a matter of thirteen years of lifespan.

When KH3 came, those kids who played 2 were too busy taking care of their own kids.

Ouchie ouch.

Which one was worse, BBS or DDD.

>>735534785
Didn't SE cancelled two KH gachas? O only remember Union Cross and that game sucked ass.

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>>735563141
>One has aqua and a interesting lore and story that connects on the general worldbulding
>The other is a boring room of Spirit and Time
Geee i dunno.

>>735563141
DDD sucks

>>735563141
>>735563352
BBS is shit, everything that went wrong with KH started with the Aqua shit.

Xehanort's death scene being eraqus coming back for no reason and them walking off into heaven while everybody smiled on like retards was godawful. Borderline friendship speech jutsu tier, only sora already beat him. Like xehanort wasn't the darkness terrorist for years. Let him die like a bitch.

>>735563419
BBS was ok as a prequel. The only bad shit is the xblade. It could have been a self contained adventure on how xeanorth came to power and nothing more.

X-blade!

>>735563141
i've been replaying the series to try and get the platinum for all and it's astounding how ass the combat in BBS and DDD are. There's absolutely no reason to ever attack anything with your keyblade. When something easy to obtain like Thunder Surge or Balloon does over triple the amount of damage your full keyblade combo can do, you have a balance problem.

>>735534785
But KH4 is in deep, very active development (we swear, guys, for real) and it's coming out sometime in the next decade. I mean last time he wanted to make Versus XIII it only took him a decade for FFXV and all this Shibuya and Yozora bullshit is just a second attempt at Versus XIII.

>>735563141
kh3

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>>735563352
Aqua is mostly boring. Her only amusing quality is the fact she's a massive jobber who loses to everyone despite being the "chosen Keyblade warrior". Add a KH4 scene where she gets tied up and gagged after her defeat and suddenly she becomes the most popular KH character in the franchise existence.

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>>735562313
They're a free nuke on normal enemies, but it doesn't take much to beat them anyway. They're generally completely useless against bosses, which are extra hard. You'll most want formchanges there.

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>>735563742
>astounding how ass the combat in BBS and DDD are
Blame inferior hardware. If shit starts on a major console should stay on the console not on overpriced gameboys.

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>>735563352
Aqua

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If Square really wanted to save KH they would kill it and make a spiritual successor without Disney and without Nomura directing it.
Put your best devs on it and contract with h.a.n.d. Let Sora go home and fuck his disney princess already. His story should have ended with 2.

>>735563141
DDD has a few enhancements, but things like formchange attacks and the horrible set of silly animal bosses make it miserable to play. BBS at least has easily accessible cool moves and regularly puts you up against other humans. Ultimately, both suck.

>>735563898
>Blame inferior hardware
Literally and unironically skill issue
Tokyo Team made Dissidia on the same hardware as BBS, using the same engine as Crisis Core, and it plays like a dream compared to both of those turds.

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>>735563820
Venitas stop! Aqua sucks as a fighter a child could beat her!

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>>735563141
Raising dream eaters is kinda fun, but DDD is still worse.

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>>735563141
DDD easily, although they both did irreparable damage in terms of lore

>>735563352
Aqua is only good for her body

>>735563141
DDD easily

>>735563898
Re:coded was on even worse hardware and it's a lot more fun than either of those.

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I was never into aqua

>>735534785
They realized the GPS gameplay for Missing Link wouldn't work so theres no new lore to tide fans over. Everyone into KH is 30+ and doesnt have time to post on deviantart like they did in middle school.

>>735563820
god KH3 did her so dirty

>>735565317
The nort'ed part was too little and too stupid. She should have been the main bad girl for at least half of the game and in the end kill her off.

>>735563141
Easily DDD, it got absolutely nothing wrong
>combat is ass
>music is ass
>leveling up spirits is ass
>worlds are ok i guess but massively under explored
>twewy remixes are ass
>flowmotion is ass

>>735565317
Yeah, it’s wild. They hype her up for years as the only one who actually survived the Realm of Darkness solo, give her that whole PTSD buildup in 0.2, and then KH3 just speedruns her corruption and rescue in like 20 minutes. You barely even get to *feel* the impact before it’s over.

If they were gonna nort her, they should’ve committed. Either make her a recurring boss that actually pushes Sora’s shit in for a couple worlds or let her snap and do something irreversible. Instead it’s just “whoops I’m evil now” and then friendship laser. Absolute waste of the only character in BBS who had any edge left.

>>735565317
They should have made Aqua genuinely evil you can still do the whole "being her back" thing but they half assed it

>>735539238
>plus, covid fucked everything up
This, Covid fucked with a lot of things, and honestly if it didn't happen we'd be better off in a lot of areas. Gaming wise, all the big companies got a spike in revenue because everyone was stuck inside. Problem is now they're trying to chase that same high, but now people aren't stuck with just gaming to pass the time like before.

>>735546792
>and MLP
Are you talking about G5 and how it tried to ride the coattails of G4 and fumbled? Because yeah, I can see that.

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>>735546526
Out of the Disney Animated canon (but excluding package films), the only worlds that would make for interesting levels for ARPG to take place in (imo) are Jungle Book, Robin Hood, Black Cauldron (lol), Atlantis, Treasure Planet, Moana, Raya, and their new movie Hexed. MAYBE Zootopia and Strange World, but even that latter movie was such a nothingburger that even Disney moved on from it as quickly as they could.
Dunno if its Nomura or Disney (or both), but ignoring the cartoons is a baffling decision.

>>735566587
>but ignoring the cartoons is a baffling decision
Not really. Disney has always treated the TV shows as a lesser tier. Nomura is mostly a cinephile and seems to keep KH more movie focused with WDAS, Pixar, and the classic shorts. I doubt he's ever heard of or cares about the shows. And while some of the shows do have fans in Japan it's no where near what the films generally have.

>>735566587
>Jungle Book
Property issues. Also something something racist against indians.
>Robin Hood
Honestly don't know their position of furries or because they don't like king overthrown in this era.
>Black Cauldron
Lol, bc almost killed disney back in the days they want to bury it as deep as possibile.
>Atlantis
Disney probably forgot that existed.
>Treasure Planet
They already had a better pirate world to use.
>Raya
Holy fucking shit NO that film was shit.

>>735566587
>ignoring the cartoons
I think that since the cartoons comes from a different studio there is something legal mumbo jumbo. I mean imagine having max fighting together with his dad or the rest of the rescue rangers helping with the gummi ship. Or they just want to go for the "mainline" titles.

>>735566587
>Strange World
Who? Lol.

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>>735566883
>And while some of the shows do have fans in Japan it's no where near what the films generally have.
Fair, just feels to me like a limitation.
>>735566918
They were going to use JB in BBS, but that got cut. Same with TP in DDD. Also, TP has more space stuff for exploration, but I get they probbaly want to do the other two PotC films first.
>Holy fucking shit NO that film was shit.
If this series keeps trucking along, I can see it happening, and I will laugh, because yeah, that movie was bunk
>>735567278
Ah, corporate nonsense, always fun.

>>735567556
>has more space stuff for exploration
Is redundant. You already have the gummy for "space" stuff and potc for pirates stuff. Treasure planet is just stevenson with some mech bits and bots and an hot english furry officer. There isn't much to squeeze for an entire "world" to close or open with the keyblade.

What made KH1 work was that the story was simple, and that Sora was in the Disney worlds, but he wasn't standing off to the side while the world slavishly recreated the movie. Disney obviously wanted the worlds in KH3 to be "movie, but sora is there." I liked Frozen, but that world was absolute dogshit. all the worlds had the same problem. Except Toy Story, but that mall sucked

>>735563141
DDD is irredeemable. I couldn't finish it.

>>735567853
The kh3 version of let it go is better than the movie's one lol.

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>>735567523
Whaaaaaaat? You don't remember Strange World? Disney's big release for 2022? The film that totally made back it's $180 million budget, with merch flying off the shelves? Wow.
>>735567774
Alright, but I really would like a world for Atlantis. Like come on, they got the whole "Heart of Atlantis" going on.

>>735534785
It has been 7 years since the release of kh3. What new square enix or disney worlds that have been introduced in this timespan would you like to see in a new KH game?

The answer is simply that the magic is gone.

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>>735567853
But that's meddling. Sometimes I wonder if the whole meddling point came to be because of disney guidelines on how their characters can interact with one another

>>735534785
>Why is Kingdom Hearts dead?
they wasted so much time on bullshit interquel to build up to 3 then 3 came out and sucked cocks now no one cares. sois will still buy it for star wars crap though

>>735534918
>Because Nomura is trying to turn KH4 into Versus XIII and as expected the game is stuck in an endless development hell cycle.
This is why any decent writer needs to know when to edit and scale down their own work, otherwise shit gets bloated to high hell. We don't need anymore overwritten over-compilated slop by hacks.

>>735568060
>Atlantis
People never understood the potential of that movie and Disney was probably pissed for its anti capitalistic message (back in the days it was not the norm to have it in every fucking media). Kida was hot as fuck i nutted on her so many times but it's the curse of the 70mm doesn't forgive nor forget. Also the chain of legal causes with ganiax for blue water, castle in the sky from myazaki etc etc.
It's another of those "bury and forget" for disney. Atlantis isn't gonna happening not even in live action i can bet.

>>735566587
You forgot Mary Poppins, Wall-E, and Coco.

>>735568274
Atlantis isnt happening because it bombed and only has a niche fanbase.
>Also the chain of legal causes with ganiax for blue water, castle in the sky from myazaki etc etc.
Lol nothing would happen from that. Might as well have whoever owns Stargate go after considering the how much it rips off that movie too.

>>735568440
>Mary Poppins
Without having the original VA why even bother. Also MP was more like a vibe movie it didn't have a real "plot" structure.
>Coco
Skiletons scares the chinese. Disney wants chinese money.

>>735568850
>Without having the original VA why even bother.
Same could be said of a lot of characters that have already been featured
>Also MP was more like a vibe movie it didn't have a real "plot" structure.
They made a world out of Fantasia, doesnt really matter.

>>735568850
Nigga Coco was released in China

>>735534785
because they keep using the osaka team who still have no idea how to do actual combat. the fuck is management doing misallocating resources. they should be investigated.

>>735534785
Because they just killed the thing that carried on everything since com, organization 13, and modern disney sucks.

>>735570000
org 13 was a huge mistake and ruined the kh story

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>>735534918
The curse is real

>>735570239
Org IS the story of kh after the first one brah. And this is why now the franchise is dead.

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>>735561963
Oh dear let's not open the wounds left behind by versus XIII

>>735570335
yeah that's the problem

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>>735539238
>>735565971
>>735544003
>all this 2020 seethe

Maybe you losers should move to a Red State. Our day to day lives never changed during the China Cough.

>>735570643
nobody cares about flyoverstan, Calfornia and New York are what power the country

>>735534785
Because handhelds are dead so they can't ship shitty spinoffs.

>>735564449
Her feet must be so sweaty inside those things.

wasnt there a new gacha game coming out?

>>735571031
phones are alive. they still canned the upcoming phone game because all nomura could think of was a shitty niantic game clone.

>>735571849
Phone "games" are barely games. They're gacha with pretty graphics.

>>735534918
>DDD and KH3, if it isn't already.
>lost my virginy in january 2019, aka KH3 release
>never fucked since
fuck

>more spinoffs between 2 and 3 than there are main games
>spinoffs completely change the focus of the series
>plenty of people don't want to play some bullshit handheld spinoff with different gameplay and characters
>people who played KH1 as infants are retiring from their careers by the time 3 comes out
>3's not as good as the previous games, far too much of stupid shit like the fucking teacup ride
>Disney nostalgia is in decline
>FF isn't relevant anymore
>KH went from being a bizarre crossover whose existence surprises people to being even more of a Deviantart shitshow than Sanic
>Nomura's reputation declines the more stupid self-indulgent wank he comes out with
In short, they fucked up.

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>>735572120
the vita and switch are using mobile phone processers.

>>735573673
So is the macbook neo. Does that make it a handheld?

I wonder if nu-disney is still interested in kh enough to let them use their licenses somewhat freely, they might be the one at fault for slowing down the process desu

>>735566071
No. I was talking about the hard shift to fan pandering over the course of Season 3. Twilight getting transformed felt like a series finale, and I was getting sick of it turning into another continuity cartoon, so I left it there. I'm sure I'm not the only one who did.

>>735573823
No, Disney is more protective of their individual IPs than ever. Even getting a single post-game reference to Runaway Brain into Dream Drop Distance was apparently a big ask. And they weren't allowed to deviate from the plot of Frozen at all in KH3.

>>735573742
if you can hold it in your hands it is a handheld

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>>735570979
Then why are so many of you leaving?

>>735573823
>I wonder if nu-disney is still interested in kh enough
It's not. Their moola now comes from churros and ai live action slop. That shitty lilo and stich la that killed everything about the original flipped 1 B. Now they are gonna try to re-re-re-lunch marvelslop again with another 20 movies 18 series on disney plus cycle.

>>735573823
Modern Disney couldn't even be bothered to treat its OWN ips well. KH bascally doesn't exist to them beyond being an asshole about how SE is supposed to handle their IPs

>>735570979
>Calfornia and New York are what power the country
and good for you enjoy powering the country with your misery

>>735573823
no, the age of original stories like for the nightmare before chrismas level, lion king ect is over
they don't even produce real videogames with their license anymore, they only make remaster or game for toddler on ipad

>>735573868
Somewhat the same, kind of fell off around season 3 and 4, mostly checking in here and there when they introduced new areas and the like. I like me some worldbuilding.

Don't care, Larxene is still my wife

>>735534785
3 came out and instead of doing 70 smaller handheld projects we're going straight for another AAA console release

Show me your favourite Aqua pictures!

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>>735575042
based

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>>735575042
Never Stop liking evil girls.

Why is Disney so retarded ? Why don't they release more games based on their latest movies/series? even just a simple platformer for kids.
The last game was Disney Infinity in 2015.
Same for Star Wars and Marvel; they entrust the license to a single studio, like EA for Star Wars, instead of selling it to several studios/lending it out. Before, Star Wars was RPGs, third-person shooters, first-person shooters, management games... now it's just Battlefield with a skin or Assassin's Creed with a skin.
I liked Epic Mickey

>>735534785
Square is dead anon, Octopath 2 is the only game they churned out with substantial quality.

>>735575296
Square needs to do some serious soul searching, especially on the Final Fantasy front

>>735575296
>final fantasy is dead
>dragon quest is dead
>kingdom hearts is dead
>life is strange is dead
>bravely default is dead
>dissidia is dead

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>>735575146
I would do literally anything to protect this smile

>>735575278
>wondered for years why the cutscenes in ReCoM are so fucking good when the cutscenes in other Osaka Team games are stiff and boring
>find out they were actually made by Tokyo Team, which is also why they're prerendered as they were made on the KH2 engine
>watching the early BBS trailer again and noticing that the cutscenes there exhibit a similar quality compared to the final game's
I don't know what to do with this feel

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>>735575146

I've still only played KH1 and KH2, absolutely loved them as a kid. When I saw all of the non-KH3 handheld spinoffs, it cheapened the franchise and put me off, even without playing them I somehow got fatigued.
Because of this, I still haven't gotten around to playing 3 because I feel like I would not be getting a 'complete' experience without the context of playing all of the cheap spinoffs.

Also haven't had a console since the PS2 and there was too long a wait for a PC port

>>735575284
Because they can make billions on remake sloppa and draining disney adults for another generation. The oc shit they do is awful like elio and the other woke shitty virtue signaling stuff. Nobody in his sane mind would play games on those IP. What do you want in an encanto game? They are unfranchisable unless is princess stuff, which nowdays not even girls buy. Everything is sad and tired, and they perfectly know because now they are too big to fail. They can do all the snow white they want, a single mandalorian and grogu will feed them for the next 20 years.

>>735534785
Because KH3 should've been released during the ps3 era when squeenix staff weren't yet senile and yidsnay had some sovl left.

>>735575917
>would not be getting a 'complete' experience without the context of playing all of the cheap spinoffs.
Oh you can't play the gacha only online for two months jap game which is 40% of the kh3 plot so it doesn't even matter. Watch some yt summaries and have fun.

>>735574375
poors can't afford it and richfags avoid taxes like the plague (they will move back when they experience texas's property taxes)

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I really wonder where we'd be if Disney had actually let the animated show go through
Disney basically pretends Kingdom Hearts doesn't exist, but this could've actually built a Western fanbase. There'd at least be enough popularity for them to add a ride or so to Disney World. It's weird that KH basically has zero presence at the parks

Now there's not really much point in Disney promoting Kingdom Hearts. It's so daunting to get into the series now so new fans are really rare.

>>735576873
>Disney basically pretends Kingdom Hearts doesn't exist
I don't think they even know they own it.

>>735554119
>Or did he die permanently in KH3
no one ever dies permanently in kingdom hearts. I bet we'll even see Xehanort and Eraqus show up again in some form down the line

Are BBS and DDD worth playing at least once

>>735534785
they refuse to release a non-cloud release of kh1 and kh2 for the switch

>>735576873
Given the time it would have come out, it probably be released alongside B&MW, Kim, ADJ and Proud Family. Which is good, until you remember this was also the time Disney started HEAVILY pushing it's young stars in live action stuff in the early 00s, which meant these animated shows didn't get the best time slots. There was still Toon Disney, but that had become a premium channel by this point as well.

>>735577110
>BBS
Yes.
>DDD
Hell no, the plot can be summarized in 4 paragraphs and has basically no importance (except for two things that are somwhat important for kh3).

>>735577110
yeah I'd say so. I kind of like the command deck/cooldown stuff but the execution for many of the non magical moves is questionable because of bizarre restrictions like unable to do them in the air, and the base keyblade movesets being pretty bland because all the flashy stuff is offloaded into the command deck stuff.

They shouldve made the GPS mobile game into a regular PC/Console game, I like the idea of creating my own character and using moves from previous games but the fact it was gonna be more mobile slop that waste money is probably why it got killed

>>735577265
I'm a professional DDD hater and even I think that's unfair to it.
Flow Motion is fun. It has an interesting selection of worlds. KH Monster Hunter with the Dream Eaters is entertaining enough. It's got huge balance issues (especially with critical abilities locked behind Dream Eater grinding) but I don't regret my playthrough, even if I'm not eager to return to it.

>>735559279
Can't wait for "Verum Rex" to come out, end up being critically panned and people finally stop pretending that Nomura isn't a hack.

>>735558731
But all of those titles (save for Days) already got a playable remake.

>>735576873
Probably would've been a big deal if they'd made a movie or show in the 00's. It's far too late for that now though.

The game is very much a relic of it's time, I don't think it would appeal to modern kids at all. It is specifically built around millenial nostalgia and 00's angsty shonenisms.
It's probably what is making continuing the series difficult, they have to spend big on a shrinking audience. I can see KH4 getting cancelled.

More likely that the first game would be remade

>>735577513
It would be hard to make a game worse than FF15. Verum Rex probably won't be as good as people are imagining, but if it's KH3 combat in a game aimed a bit older, it should be fun enough.

>>735570979
anon
>you provide us with 300tonnes of foodcrops and in return we provide accounting services
>we have valued your 300tonnes of foodcrops at value X, and our accounting services at value X
>it is next year, we have valued your 300tonnes of foodcrops at value X and our accounting services at value X*n^(1.1) where n is the number of years that have passed
>in the past 10 years, we at the critical accounting services industry have determined that while your 300tonnes of foodcrops have stagnated in value, we at accounting services have increased GDP by 160%

the production potential is still 300tonnes food, in another 200 years it will still be 300tonnes food

>>735534785
It was never good. That's right, the idea never had legs, no one ever actually cared about anything about Kingdom Hearts, it was just crossover novelty which dropped even that and just became Disney Theme Park Game. The first game wasn't even mechanically good, should have ended there.

>>735577110
It's basically just shitty Kingdom Hearts. If you've played everything else and still want more, you can bother with BBS and DDD. If you just want to know what happens, it's better to just look that up on the internet. BBS is disappointing and DDD is terrible, for comparison.

>>735576873
>Disney basically pretends Kingdom Hearts doesn't exist, but this could've actually built a Western fanbase. There'd at least be enough popularity for them to add a ride or so to Disney World. It's weird that KH basically has zero presence at the parks
Brother, "Kingdom Hearts" isn't anything. Why would it have a presence at the parks? It's the other way around, KH is a digital Disney Park, with Sora as just your random avatar to experience it. No one would care to see Sora IRL, it would be narratively weird. Sora isn't a character, he's a blank slate that experiences Disney worlds like the player did when they were a kid. If you are already at a Disney Park there is no use for the KH Simulacra.

>>735577752
>It's far too late for that now though.
I wouldn't necessarily say that
If there's one thing the modern generation loves to do, it's pretend to be fans of something. If Disney made some kind of one-off thing, a bunch of people would suddenly become alleged kingdom hearts fans overnight.
Of course its staying power would be questionable after the fad wears off, but sometimes it can still have persisting effects. It'd be interesting to see what would happen if Disney made at least a small short film to test the waters.

>>735576873
KH has roughly the same level of popularity in both Japan and America, Disney just doesnt understand it. They dont really get games in general.
Nomura is pretty autistic about KH stuff given what happened with V-cast and later Sora in Smash, so I dont ever see a show really happening. People bitch enough about KH being confusing, imagine if there were essentially two different versions of the same stories.

>>735577470
It's a non-game. It's like one of those story "but it was all a dream so nothing happened", just to not spoiler shit. They had to flip on a dime to make it relevant in kh3, it's probably the less played game of the series.

>>735578651
>and later Sora in Smash
Huh? What was so bad about that?

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>>735576873
>Disney basically pretends Kingdom Hearts doesn't exist, but this could've actually built a Western fanbase. There'd at least be enough popularity for them to add a ride or so to Disney World. It's weird that KH basically has zero presence at the parks
gee I wonder what this is, retard

>>735534785
After 2 they decided "let's never have good combat again OR anything other than hallways". We got the terrible handheld games and then after a thousand years they shit out 3 and disappeared.

>>735579430
Supposedly he was very strict and controlling with it, but we have no actual examples of things he influenced. I guess Kirby not being able to use a Keyblade is part of it, and maybe all the music being solely from KH1.

>>735579430
It wasn't that it was bad, it was an example of Nomura's autism over KH. He held up Sora getting in to make sure it was right.

>>735576873
Kingdom Hearts is extremely popular. It wouldn't have 11 main-series games, 7 rereleases and compilations, and sell a fuckton of merchandise if people weren't buying it.
It would have turned into a Japan-only series a long time ago if it wasn't selling in the west. Kingdom Hearts makes Disney and Squeenix a ton of money. It's just too Japanese to get a prominent place in Disney's domestic and European strategies. No one wants to see Sora at Disney World. No one wants to see Mickey put on the Organization coat and talk about the Door to Darkness in a cartoon on Disney Channel. It's self contained because its appeal is extremely specific. Anyone who doesn't care for the stilted melodrama and over the overtly Japanese aesthetic thinks Kingdom Hearts is the dumbest shit Disney has ever put their name on.

And it really isn't that hard to get into the series, it's actually easier than ever. You just buy the 2.8 collection and go through everything in the order it's presented to you. Sure, you don't actually get to play a few of the games, but frankly, except for missing out on 358/2 Days, it's not a huge loss. Most of them are bad.

>>735567853
It's funny that you can genuinely say Sora killed Maleficent, Chernabog, Oogie Boogie, Ursula, and Clayton even if a few came back.

>>735580004
For me it’s the leopard from Tarzan. You just beat a wild animal to death for no reason.

>>735580057
It's trying to kill you, justified self defense like in the movie

>>735534918
>>735534785
THIS and that Kh turned into a mobile/handheld series which killed any momentum it ever had, I shit you not, out of all 9 MAIN series titles 6 were portable games..

>>735534785
Because the story peaked with 1 while the gameplay peaked with 2.
That was 20 years ago my brother. Let the series go.

>>735544428
the thing is kingdom hearts can totally make a new protagonist work, Hell I liked playing as roxas and he's still my favorite character, I think they're just stuck in the resident evil cycle where they're afraid of branching out past the main cast or you risk alienating the core fanbase

>>735580004
Was Ursula killed in KH1? She kind of just falls down into her own ink cloud after her boss fight, and then in KH2 she's back and seems only mildly annoyed at Sora. Sora and crew definitely killed her the second time around though along with Flotsam and Jetsam.

>>735578654
>it's probably the less played game of the series.
>forgetting about recoded
which is a shame, because recoded was really fun gameplay-wise

>>735581375
>forgetting about recoded
I litterally forgot recoded. It's true.

>>735578654
>"but it was all a dream so nothing happened"
basically everything in regards to the norts DID happen though. the whole point of the thing was that the norts hijacked the mastery exam, we learn of Norts and their master plan and Riku's arc comes full circle with him becoming a keyblade master

>>735565543
>music is ass
I don't like 3d but come on, no kh games have bad music

>>735580583
Sora kind of works too well as the protagonist, as the cheerful anime hero who has chemistry with Disney characters. He's really closely associated with the brand to the point he is the brand for some people.

>>735581639
>him becoming a keyblade master
Man that was really stupid. Riku was the one who went his own way, had his tricks and his stuff. He should have never become a keyblade master because its not on his character. Now is just a sora 2 and nothing else.

>>735579520
>basically has zero presence
ESL or speedreader.

>>735580583
I enjoyed played riku when possibile because it was the "other side" of the story. Another fresh protagonist wouldn't work. KH is sora's game, bbs had litterally not sora as a main character. You can't escape the circle.

>>735576240
Gay cope

spin offs killed this fucking shit series

>>735579520
That's pretty much all they do. Disney can have Mickey and friends dress up in their KH attire on rare occasions because of the plausible deniability. Even if you don't know what KH is, it just seems like they're dressed up for Halloween.
Meanwhile Disney is probably convinced that if they have some actual KH thing that non-fans will run screaming in fear of the weird anime thing they don't recognize. But would it really hurt to have some KH representation in the parks?
Kingdom Hearts fans are probably not actually big fans of going to the parks themselves, the demographic doesn't really overlap. The Attractions were a desperate attempt to get people to like Disney World by putting the park in the game, but just managed to piss off KH fans. However if they put the game in the park, all of a sudden the big KH autists are all gonna flock to the parks in droves to check it out.
Meanwhile it could bring in some non Kingdom Hearts fans. I feel like a lot of potential people who'd like the series don't know it exists. Tell "Disney Adults" that there's some massive Disney game out there where you get to screw around in Arendelle or whatever and they're gonna freak out and buy 20 copies.

It's just a win-win situation. If Disney is smart they'll do something like this leading up to 4's release, but that requires Disney being competent which lately they absolutely are not.

>>735580583
>>735582726
I so badly want some game where you get to play as Kairi and have her finally get strong. Give this poor girl some redemption please, she's so pathetically weak

>>735583268
They made com because they had to sell a game into another console and seeing how the water was. I played the original on gba and it was better than the 3d remake. After that you needed more on organization 13 because you just killed half of them without even knowing what the fuck they want. You could have killed 385 just say roxas is "whatever", the bait and switch for 2 and kill him off, his job on 13 is not really "necessary" for the big plot. BBS is necessary because is the only game with some worldbuilding on what the fuck is going on in the game universe, yes you need worldbuilding and a story other than "disney themepark". Just kill the x-blade thing, it was retarded. After that you just do 2 and 3, kill coded, X and DDD and you jump on 3 with the final fight with the remnants of 13 and nort without any more trouble.

>>735583748
I bought the music game with her lol, still have to start it tho. Kairi was just another damsel in distress, making her interesting or letting her doing anything is a bit stupid after 2. She is what she is, no need to "upgrade".

>>735563141
DDD had better worlds and it handled the split level design way better than BBS, but the story is worse and dream eaters being required to unlock abilities was retarded.
Both are pretty shit

>>735583841
>She is what she is, no need to "upgrade".
Then they shouldn't keep teasing us with Kairi trying but failing constantly.
If they had no intention of making Kairi mean anything then she shouldn't have gotten a fucking video game. The ending of that is just so frustrating

>>735584083
>she shouldn't have gotten a fucking video game
I can see they wanted to capitalize on kairi making her a shitty girlboss. Disney would absolutely love that. But kh4 is never ever and kh is sora. Nice try tho.

>>735584083
>keep teasing us with Kairi trying but failing constantly
Her game was a dumb rythm game probably made from a kh3 rejected minigame. It was of zero importance just like coded, just a cashgrab to mitigate some sale between the main title or the now canceled missing link.

>>735583841
>or letting her doing anything is a bit stupid after 2
It's 2's fault for giving her a keyblade. Don't give a weapon to a character if you want them to be a nonfighter.

>>735583748
After everything that happened with KH3 and MoM, Nomura already made it plenty clear that he isn't even remotely interested on letting Kairi become stronger.

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Would anybody even care if KH4 completely dropped the disney/square connections and was just nomura's wild ride exclusively?

Obviously it wont at least for now cause its gonna have star wars but i guess i mean traditional disney films not marvel and shit.

>>735585081
>just nomura's wild ride exclusively?
Nobody would pay that hack without disney cover. Also what the fuck is kh without disney? Sora and riku kicking xigbar's butt for 40 hours? I mean it could be fun why not but... no.

>>735581673
I absolutely agree, and yet 3D managed to fail even that. Nearly 99% of the tracks are unremarkable and often don't even fit where they are used, especially the boss tracks.

>>735585234
NTA but pretty much the mobile game had no disney connections from what I remember and people seemed to like it

>>735585349
>the mobile game had no disney connections
Yes but it was basically another franchise's game. Infact they couldn't link into the real games except for the keyblade tornado (jesus christ) and xigbar mystery lootbox. It's like saying ff7 is a kh prequel without disney.

>>735583841
It should be piss easy for her to use like Holy and Dia and whatever. Her picking up a sword and yet never winning a fight is just another reminder she sucks.

>>735585081
>a numbered KH game without Donald and Goofy
That's the definition of soulless.

>>735584083
Kairi became useless when they decided to drop the princess of hearts concept and storyline. Kairi should have been the "personal" connection for sora and riku to what kh2 should have been. having someone got the grace to shoot nomura in the balls and then in the head after 1.

>>735585452
>Her picking up a sword and yet never winning a fight
I tought we were talking about kairi and not aqua.

>>735585436
>ff7 is a kh prequel without disney
that's feels like an insult with how fucked over FF got in kh3..

>>735586508
Yeah but makes the idea. The gacha story and world was basically a normal jrpg just remove the keyblades and it's another ip.

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>>735580583
>KH4 intro
>Sora and pete are fighting somewhere. Big bad monster interrupts the fights, send both flying.
>Sora get his ass kicked from a boss and lose his keyblade drifting on the ground
>Pete stands up, bruised and hurt, grabs the keyblade
"How about it? My turn to shine methinks!".