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LETS
FUCKING
GO
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didn't ask
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If there was a 'no more remake' button I woudl hit that
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please stop
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>>735565917
why?
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>>735566103
Because people will buy it.
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>>735565917
I know the question is redundant but why the fuck would you remake DQ11?
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>>735565917
Don’t think I’ve ever played another game that starts as strongly as DQ11 and ends as weakly as DQ11 too.
They need to remake parts of act 2 and all of act 3.
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I wish lice on everyone who says "LETS FUCKING GO"
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Surely they flipped the roman numerals by accident?!
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>>735565917
why?
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:)
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>>735566103
it's a 9 year old game
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That's dumb. They should just patch the PC version to include the graphics from the PS4 version, instead of the the Switch version.

Oh, that's probably what they're actually doing and these boobs think that's what "remake" means. And then they'll sell it for 70 bucks, 60 if you own the original.
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>>735565917
Fix the hero's dogshit design. Completely rewrite Act 3. Make it harder.
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>>735566378
I love her so much.
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>>735566435
it just came out yesterday...
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MORE JADE PORN KINOOOOOOOOOOOO
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>not dq5
>dq11 instead
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>>735566481
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>>735566103
It wasn't streamlined enough.
They'll move the goddess statue and all the shopkeepers into your item menu so you don't even have to camp anymore.
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>>735565917
Good
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y tho
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>>735566219
>have a very strong ending to Act 2, that shows you need to move on and perservere in the shittiest of situations
>all the members of the party grow and develop as characters on an emotional, wisdom, and strength level
>give closure to several other NPCs and show them how to rebuild
>undo every single bit of that just to give everyone a Wayne's World super-happy ending, except Jasper
>people clapped for it
>Monolith does the same fucking thing with Xenoblade 3
Nothing gets me angrier in an RPG than a reset button chapter, I don't know why the Japanese love it.
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>>735565917
LET'S FUCKING GO!!
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>>735566716
I'd undo everything for my loli wife too.
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>>735565917
Creatively bankrupt devs
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>>735565917
Only interested if it lets me recruit and romance best boy.
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>>735566435
it's really 9 years old? what tf
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>>735566716
Being born in Japan is the lawful equivalent of being born india.
Seriously, public affection like hugging your own children is frowned.
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>>735566887
they are completely stunlocked how to find just as bad composer as the one before for new games. but everyone is just so much better, even uematsu
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>>735565917
I can't imagine this being real because what is there to remake
If it got remade it would just look and play the same
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>>735565917
it's a 9 year old game!
ENOUGH
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>>735566579
My man Terry
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>>735566716
The credits roll and any dragonian settings you had active are considered complete.
It's a glorified post game with a shitty non-canon story.
It's cope but outside of grinding and doing optional content it's only a few hours long.
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>>735565946
/thread
Next remake: re4rr
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>>735566435
That's not even long in our current vidya industry. There were no giant leaps of tech, or any at all, that would justify a remake now.
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>>735566175
Gee, I hope they remake my favourite ps4 games.
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>>735567007
dq6 is knio
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Anything to a avoid the 3D HD Debora we deserve
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>>735565946
This
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>>735565917
I'd they remake it now they'll have to remove the casinos, or at least make the games unplayable. New European and Australian rules.
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new game hard, remake game easy.

Japan has no talent. They either retired or moved on to making mobile/pachinko/gacha slop.
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>>735566996
i don't know too much about the composers but i played the whole game with DQ8 music because i loved it way more
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>>735566435
only nine years old? 2017 and 2026 games are barely better than each other .
the leap from 2017 to 2026 is not even the same as the leap from 2001 to 2010 let alone 1994 to 2003
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>>735565917
Yay, we can get the SS version that restores the lighting system of the original and the foliage too.
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>>735566579
I named my dqxi mc trunks
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guys i love dq lmfao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi_b-SkZdx0
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>>735565917
Will this nightmare never end?
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>>735565917
This is ridiculous, what exactly are they going to "remake", its a recent game. I get remaking those PS1 things, but this, why?
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Oh boy can't wait to listen same shitty combat track over and over again
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If anything we need a DQ IX remake so you can actually play it online.
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>>735565917
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FINAL FANTASY XI INSTEAD
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>>735566615
>>735567282
The remake in two posts.
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>>735566175
Namco "remade" Tales of Berseria even though it was already available
companies need to make ez money
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I think they just want to get this game on the Switch 2.
Instead of 2D mode they'll have 3DS mode which lets you play the whole game as it was the 3DS version.
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>>735566435
Still old enough that zoomers can't play it since there isn't yellow paint showing them where to go.
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>>735567404
you are here forever even after death
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>>735566435
out of 10!
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>>735565917
literally a fake news
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>>735565917
I love XI, but a remake for it this soon over 5, 8 and 9? If this is true, I hope his home town girlfriend gets an expanded role.
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>>735566772
Where did you get this picture of me?
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>remake
FUCK. OFF.
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>>735567613
>game gets remade
>still lets you pick the other party members to marry like S did, instead of being Jemma-locked
>except now Jemma gets upset about getting cucked and gets possessed by dark evil demons, bathing the land in hellfire and setting up Act 4 as the final boss
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>>735567728
Kino
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Love DQXI but would only buy a remake IF they added a new arc where we play as the MC and his pick daughter/son going out to save the world.
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>>735565917
>remake the latest mainline game that's readily available on modern consoles
There's still a game begging to be released from handheld prison
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>>735565917
Okay but remake its music as well then
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>a PS5 game with a timeless art style
But why?..
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>>735566435
It's an anime style game that you can already play at 4k.
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>remaking XI when VIII is still stuck on PS2 and 3DS
Idiotic enough to be true.
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>>735565917
Hope we get Master Pang as a new companion
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What do you guys want from a IV remake
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>>735565917
Nine deserves one ASAP with comfy couch-co op or local wireless for switch users, imagine an expanded post-game, more customization options and orchestral music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3rQmQc3T3o&list=RDS3rQmQc3T3o&start_radio=1
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XII is taking so long because they have to add a bunch of tiny details like XI did, right?
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>>735568439
hope we can mating press and impregnate Master Pang
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>>735568689
Like the symphonic suite stuff sounds really good when you are reading a book and stuff but I never like the in-game music
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>>735565917
What are they gonna do, reinstate the PC graphics from the original release to the Special edition? A thing I already did with mods.
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>>735566103
dragon quest XI is in a weird situation where the Switch version is more complete but also the graphics sucked. That got ported but the graphics still suck. There are mods to fix it but now Squeenix can sell you poor imitations of it
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>>735565917
>HURR DURR WHY
get fucked
we need a remake to unfuck the XIshit edition downgrades
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>>735568921
am I supposed to get mad about something here?
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>>735565917
That's retarded. Remake fucking V.
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>>735568641
Make it 3D like Dragon Quest Monsters 3: The Dark Prince.
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>>735565917
why is modern square consistently the most retarded AAA dev and how are they still running
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>>735566435
meaningless unless you think shit like RTX and DLSS adds anything to games
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>>735566435
So to compare it to other remakes of games about that old, it's actually just gonna be a port where they throw in a few new costumes, half of which are in paid DLC or preorder bonuses, censor a few things, and tick the graphics up very slightly for the console version to match whatever the PC version can already do when maxed out.
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>>735569116
A skill tree system like XI
New content and playable Psaro
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>>735566776
god I so wish that was me
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YAY, MORE HECKIN' REMAKERINOS
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Lemme guess it's the same retard that totally leaked 12's plot the other day
>>735568364
And 9 never got ported to anything at all
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Can Dragon Quest fans even keep up with the rate these remakes are being pumped out? These games are fucking long. I'd be burnt out if I tried to play them all.
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The gaming industry can't die fast enough
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>>735569679
Think of how much time you spend on 4chan every day and replace that with playing an RPG
You'll get done in a week or two
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>>735569679
They used to release these kinds of games by the year
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DQ XII Fucking NEVER EVER
DQ X JP ONRY
DQ IX TRAPPED IN NDS CAGE
DQ SMASH GROW EOS SOON
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>>735565917
It would literally gain nothing from that. Its a cell shaded anime game. It looks as good as it's going to get.
Remake 9 without the streetpass shit
God I hate SE
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DQbros
Should I play Lunar 1 or Octopath 2
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>>735569906
The only Lunar game I ever played was the one that killed the series so I can't give good input
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>>735566219
>Characters learn
>Lol nevermind, let's erase this reality and the peoples you traveled with during dozens of hours so we can change the past
Never bothered with the 3rd act, never said yes to return to the past
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>>735566103
Because they think this time they can make a good game with it.
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>>735568890
At that point its just a Switch 2/PS5 paid upgrade not a remake
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>>735565917
Are we making twitter posts up now? That post does not exist and that account hasn't made a post since 2024. KYS
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>>735567586
Imagine still using this cringe "out of 10" pasta in 2026, grow the fuck up retard
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>>735565917
I put 10 hours into this game and the episodic storytelling started to bore me to sleep. Seeing how the 7 Reimagined remake went I bet they're going to trivialise the difficulty by littering the world with more goddess ststues that instantly heals you so you don't need that pesky camp.

I get that SE wants the Pokemon audience but does it have to be at the cost of everyone else playing this game?i regret buying 11 and I regret reordering 7 Reimagined after liking the demo. 5 was the only DQ I liked because it had a semblance of an engaging story
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>>735565917
>Not remaking or remastering VIII.
>Not remastering X Offline so westerns can play it.
>Not just making a new Rocket Slime game.
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>could have remade 9 to bring life back to its endgame multiplayer
>could have remade 5 for the only unique interesting story
>could make builders 3 with a coop campaign
>could actually make a new dragon quest game
>instead remake a game that’s already readily accessible
I hate Square so much
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>>735570692
Every dungeon in 11 except like two has full heals halfway through
Where do you think 7 remake got it from in the first place
And the game is already the easiest DQ on the default settings
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>>735565917
It's a parody account
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The dq's remake aren't fun
For 11 they release a version "what if it was a snes game ?"
Can't they release the older as "what if it's dq8/11 ?" ?
I don't like 2dhd
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>>735569749
Most my time on /v/ is while I'm at work. My time at home is spent playing video games.
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>>735570505
Someone didn't get a headpat from their imouto this morning.
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>>735569906
i just finished the first lunar and it still holds up. But it may be nostalgia since I've played the game like 5 times already, this is just my first time playing the remastered version but I still had a lot of fun with it years later. It's a very straight forward no nonsense jrpg that respects your time. The entire game only took me around 20 hours to complete. I'll be starting the sequel in a bit.
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>>735567045
they need to make it woke to ruin the franchise forever, just like every other demake in the last 10 years
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>>735566103
industry is completely unhinged and most japanese publisher are getting into trouble because the last couple of years have been bad for most of them.
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>>735566776
literally built for ntr
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i hope there are more dragon quest remakes coming up i like them even if they're not perfect :)
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How many releases has this game had?
Nearing Skyrim territory here.
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Friendly reminder to watch/read Dai's journey
https://youtu.be/iO-Q0MdFSj4
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>>735565917
the loli will be cut
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>>735572135
I want a dragon quest 5 remake
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>>735566435
But you can readily play it on any current gen console and pcs, plus, the game looks excellent how it's now, I don't see the point of remaking a game that isn't outdated.
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>>735568364
>Idiotic enough to be true.
It's also on phones for some reason.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.square_enix.android_googleplay.dq8&hl=en_US
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what will they censor
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>>735565917
We didn't even get DQ 12
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>>735568439
Shes got a strong "my pussy is very hairy" aura.
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>>735568921
There's already a mod that replaces all the models and textures with the original assets. The original is completely deprecated.
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>>735567923
It's a PS4 game.
They've been remaking the DQ games to strengthen the overall connective story, 1-3 and XI take place on the same world
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>>735572196
>humor: japan
:DDD
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>>735565917
This is probably a new port rather than a remake because these autistics always refuse to actually differentiate. XI doesn't need a ground up remake, this shit is probably just a new version of the game for Switch 2 and all ports get replaced again.
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>>735565917
The fuck, I wanted to pick this game up didn't it come out like 3 years ago
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>>735569679
DQ always got a bunch of remakes/ports... but it also used to get new games. That's long over though
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>>735565917
WHAT HAPPENED TO DRAGON QUEST 12
IT WAS ANNOUNCED FIVE FUCKING YEARS AGO
WHAT ARE THEY DOING
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>>735574380
join the club with the KH fags
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>>735574380
>WHAT ARE THEY DOING
Remakes
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>>735565917
Incel account
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>>735566435
Holy shit.
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>>735565917
With this post I no longer feel even disgust for square enix.
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>>735566776
>no cleavage
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>>735565917
It's a modern game... Wtf? Why not remake 9 for example?
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>>735566103
capcom has proven you can remake the same game every 3 years and retards like you will buy it.
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>Actually, DQXI is a masterpiece
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>>735566103
They downgraded the visuals with the S version and then delisted the vanilla game. Make game, downgrade it, remake it. If it's true and this is coming before a DQ8 remake then this series deserves to die (but it won't)
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>>735565917
didn't they already re-release this somewhat recently? What the fuck?
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>>735575279
Thanks doc.
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>>735566435
it's going to look so great on the NX
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>>735569030
It's just some comparisons to graphics and lighting of the original (top) to the Switch (bottom) versions
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>>735574380
They're trying to re-invent the series into a hack-and-slash dating sim.
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>>735574380
don't know, they just had to make XI but new map and new story, they already have all the asset
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>>735575279
It's not. Too dumbed down.
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>>735566435
And? Bowser's Inside Story was 10 years old when its remake released, and the differences were so miniscule because the hardware wasn't that different, it ended up bankrupting the company because nobody bought it, and the difference between last gen and current gen is even smaller than that. 10 years just isn't enough time for a remake to be warranted, Dragon Quest XI is still very much modern.
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>>735575642
So a simple remaster would be enough
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>>735565917
>another pointless remake
>still nothing to show for 12
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What would even be the point?
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>>735565917
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>>735576330
Should've used Snow White live action instead of Lilo and Stitch. Lilo did well enough for them to greenlight a sequel while Snow White bombing made them backtrack on having a nigress play Rapunzel.
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>>735568364
all square would need to do is just give us the ps2 game graphics with the 3ds content
thats it, thats all they would need to do for a "remake" is give the 3ds game better graphics because the ps2 version still holds up today. maybe make marcello playable too after doing the postgame dungeon
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the latest DQ game will get a remake?
they really gave up on 12 huh
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>>735566257
Nobody but Jap retards wants a remake of DQ9 and they only want that so they can make gay kaizo dungeon slop. We just got a remake of "bad DQ game that Japs inexplicably love" with DQ7 and lo and behold it sucked shit.
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>>735565917
8 is the best DQ.
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>>735576905
7 is the best entry in the series
the remake is garbage
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3 is the best
Or 5
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>>735566378
>>735566503
>goes from a nothing character into the best character in the game
>has all of her character development completely negated
>time travel rules aren't even consistent because the ending of the game should undo the entire game like Act 3 did for Act 2 but it does't
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>>735565917
Bro, why do they skip DQ9?
Imagine DQ9 cross-platform online for dungeon quests endgame.
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>>735573607
tasty
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>>735566716
I fucking hate having to Sylvando/Don Rodrigo plot twice and it's barely even changed at all between both versions. The only good thing about Act 3 is that it gets rid of the gay pride parade. Sylvando was cool until that moment and it's just so retardedly over the top and takes away everything likable about him to make him into the generic queer sissy he wasn't. Even worse when you have to play through the Interludes (the worst part of the entire game) and see him turning everyone he encountes into prancing lisping sissies too.
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I like how there's only like 1 or 2 people in this entire thread that seem to realize this is a troll account.

We used to troll the internet here... now everyone is such a zoomer normie faggot that rudimentary ass twitter trolling gets traction here, instead...
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>>735567728
A DQ11 remake should make Gemma a party member or take inspiation from BG3 and give you some camp followers so she can be included in more stuff. She was cute and way better than Jade and Veronica but not Serena.

>>735577019
>7 is the best entry in the series
Maybe on Planet Retard
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>>735577818
Kill yourself
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The thing with XI's time travel shit is that they can just create a mcguffin that let the past versions of the party members remember the other timeline and nobody would have a problem with it because it's Dragon Quest and it's magic, but they just don't want to
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>>735565917
At this point, why even make sequels at all? Why not just make one game in a fresh franchise and then remake it endlessly? There you go, infinite money.
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Will toyotaro succeed toriyama for DQ designs?
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So all it takes is a twitter screencap to fool you
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Is there a mod to fix the main character's stupid fucking haircut?
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>>735573812
pretty sure greatm8 is a spic, i think
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>>735565917
that's embarrassing
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>>735578548
https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonquestxisdefinitiveedition/mods/210 this one I guess
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>>735577019
>heres my shit contrarian opinion
nobody cares retard
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>>735566435
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>>735578776
cared enough to reply, secondary
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>>735566716
Any straight male will suffer the somber choice of saving their loli wife.
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>you'll never get a port or localization of the 3DS version that was superior
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>>735577998
DQ7 is a bad game
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>>735567818
i have a feeling this will never be remade
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>>735565917
Is there a mod that replaces the shit tier music?
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>>735565917
What could they possibily even add at that point? a new party member? The only other character who'd have a reason to tag along is erik's sister, that cunt just stays in the shitty cave after you finally rez her ass

give us an ability to let Veronica fight as her normal age instead of being a perma loli or better yet, turning her sister into a loli as well?
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>>735579234
Add Sylvando's dad to the party
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>>735565917
Thank the lord. I was trying my best to enjoy the demo of XI, but man… the clunk, man. Such a clunky experience designed to deter the player from ever wanting to revisit it.
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>>735570304
10th times the charm i guess.
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>>735565917
>shitty 2d version
>3ds version
>original good graphics pc/ps4 version
>switch S remake
jesus
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>>735576905
9 is the third best selling dragon quest game
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>>735579234
Master Peng, Hendrick's BFF, Erik's sister, Gemma
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Worst part of Act 3 was definitely how the new Sword of Light made for our protagonist is just thrown out in favor of the old one storywise. Like you can get it again but it’s just some craftable super weapon which is cool I guess but it was much nicer in act 2.
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>>735565917
Please change the localization, let AI do it.
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>>735565917
8 is better and needs a remake more
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>>735580196
now prepare for the switch 2 electric boogaloo
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>>735580864
It's really impressive how many decisions they made in Act 3 just feel like they cheapen the rest of the story up to that point. Maybe XI would have been a "worse" overall game if it ended with Act 2, but at least the story experience would have been unquestionably better.
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>>735567586
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>>735581069
This is probably why they will "remake it" instead of releasing a free switch 2 patch why not just remaster it and sell for 70 bucks? Brilliant idea!
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>>735565917
You will never be japanese, no matter how much you feign interest in this lame series.
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>>735581247
it's probably just insiders being retarded as they usually are and billing every port and remaster and otherwise as something it isn't.
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>>735566435
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The transition from Act 2 to Act 3 in Dragon Quest XI made me feel worse than NTR ever could.
That’s so stupid, holy shit.
They should have tied things together better. If it had been a way to simply reset time, where everyone agrees to give up what they’ve achieved for the greater good, it would have been better.

In fact, the Japanese should be prohibited by law from talking about time travel. This stupid concept makes no sense at all, creates a bunch of contradictions, and ruins every story.
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If the hero is a silent protag and we get to make decisions for him, why not let us create a character?
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>>735578707
he doesn't look like such a weird androgynoid anymore, didn't know it was all in the hair
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>>735565917
It’s not even 10 fucking years old yet, what the hell. I hate Square-Enix
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>>735566103
its probably more of a port but the game is nearly years old
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>studio announces "remake/remaster"
>fans get excited and buy it at release
>proceed to bitch endlessly about the changes made and how they're a downgrade, and it proceeds to go down in history as the inferior version of the game

This happens every single time and it just happens again, no one learns anything.
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>>735568439
That doujin where she’s mc’ed into draining some dude’s balls repeatedly is one of my favorites
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Ignoring Act 3, DQXI had my 2nd favorite Dragon Quest story behind V. Act 3 throws a lot away which makes it drop down a good bit. It’s still better than most of the other game’s stories since really, only V and VIII had “great” plots excluding XI. Like 1-3’s plots were more akin to a DnD campaign which was fine.
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>>735566620
>cuckshit
kill yourself
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>>735566772
how are p3r dq3 and ttyd pointless? literally unplayable on modern hardware if you dont count the remakes.
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>>735566103
Maybe they want to make a definitive edition with good visuals like the original version but with all the extra content from 11S?
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https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonquestxisdefinitiveedition/mods/20
https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonquestxisdefinitiveedition/mods/79
https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonquestxisdefinitiveedition/mods/118
There, I fixed 11S.
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>>735587026
>FEScuck still can't get over the fact that P3P is the superior version
>also defends a "remake" that runs worse than the original
Sasuga
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>735587993
>P3P is the superior version
I'm sure you wished that was the case, but sadly it's not and it will never be.
NTA btw.

>runs worse than the original
If by "worse" you mean "at the exact same framerate", then absolutely.
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>>735587993
how is a gimped psp port the superior version. If reload included the female route it would be the superior version.
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>>735583530
Nah. Not as iconic
XI's guy looks like ass but for example, IV's looks fantastic
Honestly the newer DQ's heroes look way worse than the first few ones
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>>735566435
Diminishing returns. 9 years isn't old. 20 years isn't old (MGS4 doesn't look or feel old at all).
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>>735565917
I think this journo just replaced "remaster" with remake to drum up attention to the article. when something doesn't make sense, just try to figure out the motives of the journo.
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>everyone begging for remakes
>in response to a troll account
YOU are the reason why gaming sucks. YOU did this. All of you “people” going “remake 4! 5! 6! 8! 9! 10!” YOU did this. Don’t dare blame Square Enix for pointless remakes when YOU won’t stop begging for them.
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>>735566716
I dropped the game when i had to explore the same fucking world again. Then i read you have to do it once more. What a shitty game.
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>>735590229
I want 4-5-6 remakes yes
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I wonder if they'll finally get to remaking IV eventually.
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>>735566103
So they can remove all the questionable content like Casinos, Puff Puff and Toriyama era racist characters
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>>735565917
>"let's remake a PS4 game"
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XI is the worst game using Dragon Quest in the name and it's not even close. The entire thing is unsalvageable. Everything that happens in the story is negative. You are continually forced to help criminal scum. Forced homosexual harassment from party members. Same shit music it has been reusing forever. Visible encounters and constant healing. Equipment has no variety. Crafting is gimped to ensure you never make anything worthwhile. It looked nice but they fucked up a newer version porting worse graphics, possibly the only company ever to fuck this up. Character progression is a choice between weapon types if at all.
Play X or Monsters Joker 3 Pro or Builders 2. XI is so fucking bad.
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>>735590476
They did one for VII lol. At this point any game has a fair chance
IV is really popular and beloved. It even had a Smash representation
V is definitely happening too it is turbo loved there. It is almost III tier in terms of how loved it is
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>>735568689
Orchestral is what ruined game music. When they had to use sound fonts, games had their own style. Now it is all generic.
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>>735575970
>it ended up bankrupting the company because nobody bought it
The company had been in debt since the original Bowser's Inside Story. The only reason PiT got skipped was because they could reuse SSS remake assets for the BIS remake. The 3DS games after Paper Jam were basically a Hail Mary.
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>>735591283
>Orchestral is what ruined game music
dragon quest music only sounds good orchestrated. otherwise it's objectively shit tier when it comes to osts.
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>>735565917
Maybe the insider is dyslexic and retarded and he meant dragon quest ix.
[Spoiler]PLEASE? I NEED IT
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>>735565917
The remakes will continue until your soul is broken



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