Anybody else miss when Pokemon rivals was mean badass jerks instead of sissies?
mmmmmm sissies you say
How is it possible for you to have your entire own containment board and still have your fat ass spill out all over the rest of the site?
we have a pokemon board.
i don't remember when but i recall playing one of the newest games and thinking "huh, i swear your rival used to pick a type that's strong against yours" and sure enough i went back to an old game and that was the case, but they don't anymore
>>735569379As a kid I always thought it was kind of silly the rivals thought they were such hot shit when they just lose over and over
May/Brendan are the grandfather of friendly rivalsThey just weren't as annoying and bitch made
>>735569379Didnt sword and shield have that fag kid that was pretty mean?
>>735569379I miss the times when they weren't brown.
Yeah I miss when the games were good too
>>735569789Yeah but they made a peculiar statement with himIf you're mean, you will be kidnapped by an old woman halfway through the game and made into a sissy
Do you know about type advantages?
>>735569613yeah but that was intentional to make you wanna battle and prove em wrongwhen they're too nice and squishy "aww i gwuess i wost, is okay though, i still love you ):" it makes me just wanna avoid em not kick their asses
>>735569935The scene where the old woman shows up to #pink him is probably the hardest I laughed at a Pokemon game
>>735569379>Badass>May who gives up being your rival after the 6th badge, having not even fully evolved her starter.
>>735569935she didn't make him a sissy, he was already a little soft and fruity, if anything she made him tougher in exchange for being her little boy toyit's okay she's too old to do anything too frisky with him, she just likes to watch him in action
>>735569379no
(You) are the jerkass rival now. (You) completely cuck and ruin Kieran's life.It's fucking great.
Even Pikachu could be a mean piece of shit back in the day. Pokemon is now too cuddly
>>735569868hau makes sense being brown, he's literally on a tropical island and that tomboy girl isn't brown she's just tanned, the tanned outdoorsy type is a common onemiddle dude definitely too brown to be in what is essentially england though but eh i guess his design is alright and it's not unreasonable
>>735570190I don't know why you're such a massive fucking asshole in teal maskAlthough at least Kieran grows from it
For me, it's Serena. The best Pokégirl and rival.
>>735570250Hop is major ugly what the fuck do you meanHim and Leon are just eyesores
>>735570337Calem/Serena just get more and more depressed as the game goes on. Not really compelling rivals
>>735570340i think he looks fine and his color scheme is alrightonly thing i hate is his stupid dumbass front hair situation
>>735570190>>735569379>(You) are the jerkass rival now. (You) completely cuck and ruin Kieran's life.Taunie from Legends ZA escapes the rival curse by being an idiot shonen protagonist and just insisting she's your leader while you clean up her messes.
>>735570190THIS! >>735570258>in teal masknot only there.
>>735570079It goes all the way to Leon, who comments that he's surprised you know how to use super-effective moves during the final battle of the game.
Bed breaking sex with Hau and Hop
>>735570463Retarded hair is just a thing in Galar.
>>735569613I like my rivals when they talk hot shit. It's even more funny when I beat their asses with a meme pokemon with shitty moves
gen 3 rivals are literally the worst in the series lol
>>735570627I never liked Gen2 rival solely because he is a ginger.Blue was the best. Actual rival energy. Actual "NO FUCK YOU I HAVEN'T SAVED NOR HEALED I WAS JUST EXPLORING THE TOWN I DIDN'T KNOW YOU TRIGGER AREA WAS THERE" energy.
>>735569379May/Brendan are the OG friendly "rivals", even the 4th gen ADHD dude felt more like a rival than May/Brendan.
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>>735569379Barry is the best. He might not be an asshole but he's not a pussy either, he's just an extremely autistic ADHD kid who has a decent team since gen 4 is kinda stacked anyway.
>>735569379May and Brendan are nice rivals, and shitters, they even say they don't give a shit about battling. Nemona is some fight sexual female Goku who hunts you through the region after she already beat the Elite 4 just for kicks. This image is not only factually wrong, but is just a basic bitch appeal to >aulde gud >nu bad
>>735569538>>735569557Because he's not going to get the attention he desperately wants from his home board.
>>735573524On /vp/ it would just be a bunch of blithering about gen 5 bad and campaignshitters like any other thread
>>735573654>Pokemon discussion is shit!!That's why it has its own board
>>735574052Rather it's shit because the board is like an advanced general and has multiple schizos dedicated to making the board unusable
>>735569379So glad I quit playing this shit after Gen 2
japan got DEId by blackrock and bloombergIt's been fucking over for at least 5 years and you retards keep buying these dogshit propaganda productsLiteral PROPAGANDA it's not even a good fucking game anymore
>>735572167i want to thud his ass
>>735574304Again. That's why it has its own board. Not like the trannies moderating nu/v/ care
>>735569379Sex with the brown boys on the bottom
>>735571236how
>>735575907Yeah it contains the schizos so we can have normal discussion here
>>735569935>himThat looks like a "young" grandma.
>>735576845Gen 8 didn't have too many lookers
>>735576498>Pokemon>normal discussionNo
>>735569935>>735570102jesus christ
>>735569379Before: the girls are cute and the boys are edgy.Now: everyone's cute and wholesome.Not bad. Would take the latter everytime over western ugly girl bosses and political mouthpieces.
>>735576907>>735569935They could not have picked a gayer more homo design for a """""rival""""" so that instantly defeats any threat or dickishness this fag could've had so this doesn't even count
>>735569379>even the japanese are doing basedjak style edits
>>735578903there's a term for these shitty corporate art jap memes, but i forgot it
>>735569379May isn't mean
>>735569379>play baby game for children>surprised that the entire game is Care Bears baby shit for childrenWhooooaaaa...
I'm still traumatized from Gary motherfucking Oak finishing my already gaped asshole after exiting the tunnel.
>>735569379holy fuark I can read all those words now after studying for a year and halfim so happy bros...
>>735579160The first pokemon games were also for children, retard. In fact they almost certainly had a larger percentage of child players.
>>735579160Red's Rival used to shit on you and dab on you for being late every single time. Giving a reason to push. In Johto region the rival was a literal thief. Black and White at least had a criminal as the main rival focus. It doesn't always have to be carebears. Its just lazy slop writing. In Hoenn the villain teams were also literal apocalypse-cultists and eco-terrorists basically. Based.
>>735569379>that may sneakI'll never understand how 2nd may fight buckbroke pokeggers so hard, she's a loser and always will be.
>>735579226You're traumatized about a fight that exists only in an internet comic? Wow.
>>735579327>>735579405Baby game for children
>>735579405>Giving a reason to pushWhat reason? I beat him every single time. Late? Whoo fucking hoo.
>>735579467Evolved pokémon as the second fight already was a no-go by the two previous generations. It had to wait till third fight with the rival. They gave the rival an unfair advantage.
>>735579479No, that shit existed. My 9 year old ass remembers it clearly. It was right outside some shitty tunnel infested with Zubats and Geodudes and it connected the first and second gym towns.
>>735579467You have to be speedrunning with Mudkip specifically.
>>735579467This was hard for me as a 9 year old who only used one pokemon
>>735579467Maybe they got caught offguard or were low hp when the fight started. I don't remember if your rival heals you in R/S, but I remember getting my ass kicked by Gary a few times because I was always low on health and supplies when he showed up.
>>735579624You have a chance to heal before then, since you have to go through the town and then head north to find that fight
>>735579467The Wailmer she has if you didn't pick Torchic is really fucking strong that early in the game
>>735579586Blue has pidgeotto by cerulean, silver has his starter evo'd by azalea, it ain't shit.
>>735579732heals didn't start till later gens, made wally kinda respectable in ruby/sapphire when he ganks you at the end of victory road, too bad emerald ruined that
>>735579784Okay perhaps I'm terribly misremembering due to that shitty comic. Was there another place where your rival ambushed you right as you exit a tunnel? Maybe later?
>>735580118No, from what I remember vit's>First fight in oak's lab>Optional second ambush on the route to victory road>Ambush on nugget bridge>Ambush in SS Anne>Fight in Silph Co>Champion
>>735569613It sort of goes back and forth.Blue could somewhat back up his talk by actually being smart enough to get six pokemon. Silver was mostly just a complete dumbass whose only accomplishment was getting a gastly.
>>735579624>No, that shit existed. My 9 year old ass remembers it clearly. ItNo. You confuse reality with a shitty comic. Silver in GSCHGSS and Wally in RSEORAS are the only ones that ambush you straight out of a cave(well, Silver does it before the exit, but still).
>>735580243no fucking way... what the hell? Has my entire childhood been a lie?
>>735579467Wailer with rollout + No counter to water, at least for me. Was also doing a no item run though.
>>735569557https://www.4chan.org/janitorapp
>>735580256Also if you check the plaques in Gen 1, Blue already beat the gym you barely got to and became champion before you. Can't remember Silver having anything similar
>>735580243You forgot the battle in the Pokemon Tower and the second battle on Route 22. There are eight Rival battles.
>>735580759Oh yeah I forgot lavender townRoute 22 is the optional fight though
>>735580816You fight him twice on route 22, second time is when you get all 8 badges. That one is not optional.
>>735580816There are two on Route 22. The first one is optional and can't be triggered after you beat Brock. The second is after all eight badges and isn't optional.
>>735569379How many times can you do the asshole rival before it gets old? Plus, there's Bede, Penny and Kieran in the last two generations, Bede was pretty much a stuck up dick just like Blue, while Penny is not directly antagonistic she is pretty bitchy, and Kieran is an incel who is pissed off that you stole the girl he was trying to pull.Really, every rival tries to do something more or less different, Blue was the prototypical childhood frenemy, Silver was a delinquent, Wally was a sickly kid who overcame his illness through sheer willpower, Barry was a hyperactive squirrelboy who couldn't sit still, Cheren was a hyperachieving no-nonsense type of guy, Bianca was a sweet girl way in over her head, the Kalos bunch were a bunch of Goonies expies, Hau was an underachieving loser who never took anything seriously, Hop had very little talent as a trainer but felt like he had to live up to Leon, Marnie was a small town kid trying to bring fame and glory back to her brother, Arven was trying to save his pet dog from its crippling wounds and Nemona was a goody two shoes pro trianer with an obvious crush on the MC.
Really tired of this "le old asshole rivals were better cause they got you when you least expect it" shitThe rival battle with Blue on route 22 is easy because there's no trainers on the way. The level Pokemon and you potentially only having one mon still is the only potential "challenge"If you don't heal at Cerulean and just go straight up the bridge that's your own retarded ass faultThe SS Anne has an NPC that heals you and you can also leave and come back as many times as you wantHe's the first trainer in Pokemon Tower and if you're not healing after exiting the Rock Tunnel then again you're a fucking retardThere's a bed where you can heal in Silph CoRoute 22 again has no trainers so you're gonna heal right after beating the 8th gym.Silver I'm pretty sure is more of the same. The only one that can really surprise you is the one in Bugsys town because you might try to explore Ilex Forest too early and trigger it.Sex with Pokegirls by the way
>>735580983Penny isn't an asshole rival she's just an obnoxious autist that no one likes (which is why she got bullied so hard she made team star) and also not really a rival (nor Arven)
>>735569379Pokemon is woke now
>>735569379may was mean? also wasn't the rival wally?
>>735570604Didn't one of the games you have metaphorically cuck some little brother of his bitchy older sister who was a "bad guy" earlier in the game?
>>735583771No to both
>>735583829Lay off the porn for a week
>>735583771you literally fight wally only twice and the first time he has nothing but his ralts
>>735569379>mean badass jerks>literally dating in the sapphire and ruby remake
>>735583829NoYou cuck a socially awkward kid of his childhood hero (a legendary) and then he becomes a smogon school shooterMy favorite rival up there with Blue/Green desu
>>735570190Kieran become Julianna's wife (male) so he gets joint custody of Ogrepon and Terrapagos so it all works out
>no one here remembers Brendan talking shit to you in Lavaridge TownMay is the nice one but Brendan is a dick.
>>735569538Janny applications are over.
>>735569379Gary was the only one who was anywhere near close to a threat because the first games had hm appear out of nowhere in there worst moments possible, after that GF always made the rivals easier to handle.
>>735584228Dangerously based Pokemon rival.
>>735575484What's the underlying message being conveyed by the propaganda?
Nemona is a better rival than May/Brendan
>>735585005the bar is using Dig.
>>735584965Literally this 1:1 and it's not even a joke.
>>735569379>nemona>sissy
>>735585059>Rivals don't rape you anymore>Somehow this is globalist propagandaI'll never understand it.
>>735585195nemona is brown and basically the white race is extinct
>>735569379May isn't mean nor badass, not to mention that Wally from the same game was the first sissy rival and is ironically stronger than her.Also, Nemona is basically rule63 Goku.
>>735585257Don't worry I'll dilute her genes with my hyperborean seed.
>>735569379>mean and badass>sissiesYou forgot the cuck rival.
>>735569379>MTL slopwhy
>>735570604Taunie is literally the worst, and I am so pissed you can't fuck her over at any point in the game.She deserves to eat the shit she tries to serve me.
the new games have more than one rivalLike sure you have your brown childhood best friend Hop who is always friendly but you also have this bitchy gay dude tooI get that they don't really ambush you at the end of dungeons anymore which is a shame but the idea that everyone is brown and worships the player and is never mean to them isn't correct
>>735585301 mutts don't exist in japan but they've been clearly pushing for them to be a reality , just fuck another country up senpai.
>>735585435who is this dude, is he form the latest game, cuz i can't remember his ass and i played sword and the next one after that but not the new one.
>>735569379Meanwhile the undisputed best rival
I don't miss the "le mean rival" meme but I do hate it when the rivals are personality lacking yesmenBede and Kieran are great
>>735584797>hm appear out of nowhere in there worst moments possibleHe never actually ambushes you, despite what the zeitgeist thinks>After mt moonIs actually nugget bridge, after you stop by the pokemon center>After dark tunnelIs actually in the pokemon tower, you have to go out of your way to get punked>Silph coIs right after the free healing bed>Route 22Is after a gym battle so you should have gone to a center.The only one that kind of fits is SS Anne and even SS Anne has a healing bed in it too.
>>735585601He's from Sword, the fact you can't remember him means you're most likely brown and speak english as a second language
>>735585398>His narcissistic optimism puts the gang in debt, instead of doing anything about it he just fucking disappears and lets you deal with it yourself>The whole Z-A ranking thing was to find the best trainer in lumiose, which is (You) who has consistently beat Taunie/Urbaine, but his savior complex makes him say "nah fuck this shit I'm doing it myself" and floette and AZ just go along with it>This is all played straight and never addressed, everyone loves him and thinks he's a great guyThe writing in ZA was so unbelievably garbage
>>735585730he's just lame and boring, look at this garbage what is this even suppose to be.
>>735585640>He's right about everything but you're strong enough to beat him up so that makes him wrongA harsh lesson about life
>>735579467This one caught me off-guard when I was a kid because it happens in the middle of a route in nowhere, so I only had pokemon that was weak from battling wild encounters.
>>735585730It's easy to forget Bede since he doesn't exist for half of the game. He just stops showing up around the 4th or 5th gym and you don't see him again until the championship gauntlet
Kieran is the strongest and most difficult rival up to date. but you still make him a cuck to oblivion
>>735581103That's the thing, old pokemon games were willing to punish you for bad decisions.
>>735585902I miss pre-indigo disk speculation where it looked plausible he'd have some of the highest levels for a story trainer. I think he missed the mark by a little bit in the end, but I don't think anyone was expecting him to show up with his old pokemon discarded in favor of a VGCfag team
>>735585838everyone in sword and shield is a soccer player and they have uniforms on under their clothes>>735585889Bede is actually quite memorable, I haven't played the game since 2019 but I can still remember him being a nepobaby, destroying the ancient monument in one of the towns and then the old lady gym leader kidnapping him and making him replace her as the fairy gym leader
>>735569379>mean badass jerksSo never?DICKS and ??? are the only rivals who are remotely antagonistic. Cheren has a chip on his shoulder in BW but still your friend in the narrative. People criticize the rivals from XY onward because their dialog and story presence becomes entirely centered on felating you and everything you do. They're not off doing their own thing on their own adventure, they're walking the exact same path but worse.Personally I thought Hau was an improvement on all your XY friends by virtue of being a single character. Hop is just Hau 2 (even the name is similar) and Nemona generally gets a pass because she's attractive and you want her to felate you for real.
>>735586115pads go on the front not the fucking back. this is like a mistake AI would make.
>>735586115Isn't memorable for me since as mentioned he is barely even in the fucking game8's most memorable point is just Rose for being the bizarre and incomprehensible creature he is
>>735569379I'm still very surprised we got the character of Hop in an official Pokemon game.>Haha I wanna be the very best, just like my brother!>Haha, I might job to you every time we battle, but I won't next time!>Huh, no matter which Pokemon I use, I still can't win.>Oh, I'm out of the run for champion after being stomped by you in our official match...>I'll never be champion no matter how much I want it, even with a Legendary Pokemon by my side, so I need to find something else to do with my life that I enjoy.It's not a bad lesson but it's pretty fucking dour for kids to hear and it doesn't exactly hit when all the player has to do is press A to select any damaging move on any Pokemon and they win.
>>735569379Why is May up there? She was the start of these pushover rivals and was the absolute worst of them until gen 6 came around.
>>735586713the route 110 fight, that's it
>>735569379If anyone is wondering what that art style often seen in Japanese PSAs is called, it's called Irasutoya. And yes there's rule 34 of it
>>735586872Speedrunners milk something for content and people really think it impacted the actual game lmao
>>735587035Rule 34? There's an official NSFW stock art site
>>735586614I think it's good for kids to hear the reality of things desu. It's pretty irresponsible telling kids to follow your dreams and you can do anything that you set your mind to when that's rarely how it goes. That's how you get people who crash and burn in college when they realize how unrealistic their goals are and then start to become depressed because they're already seated with a mountain of debt. Being able to afford a house is becoming more and more unrealistic, and boomers are fucking oblivious of it thinking it's a matter of laziness when some people work 16 hours a day and still live paycheck to paycheck. The American dream is fucking dead. I wish I was fed realistic expectations instead of all of the fluff and fairy tales of opportunity that I was told when I was younger.
>>735586872That's about the same kind of mental gymnastics people pull when they say Wally is a good rival when he only fought you twice. The Rocket admins in HGSS fought you more times than that.
>>735579160Being for children has no effect on how something is written.
>>735569379I thought SIlver was a good blend of both. Hot shot jackass who learns to get past his daddy issues and become a better trainer.
Its the fag art style.They even managed to make an old man look like a faggot when Gundam brought in the Pokémon artist to do character designs.
>>735587687Oh no he's hot!
>>735587687Left does look too old for 30 though
>>735587618The conflict between Silver and Giovanni feels unfinished to me. Sure you see the start of Silver changing, but I wanna see how he grows further from there. What are his goals now? What is his relationship like with his father? Are they still in contact, or has silver moved on entirely? What about his mother?
>>735581103The middle one has a very giant forehead
>>735587879Both of them look too old for 30. Why do the Japanese do this when they don't really age until 50?
Rivals stopped being mean after Gen 2, that's more than 20 years agoMay/Brendan aren't dicks, Barry was impatient, no one cares about the Gen 5, 6, 7, 8 rivalsNemona only gets mentioned since she's a Latinx
>friendly rival has both a tragic family life where they are ignored or compared to someone else>you eventually beat them hard enough that they crash out, but still constrained by the friendly rival persona so it's really just them crying impotently about the situation and how they'll never reach their dreams because they aren't allowed to be directly mean to the playerThis is probably someone on the writing team's fetish. It's emotional ryona.
>>735587035No one was asking, you just wanted to share a fun fact and used its use in op as your excuse>>735587072Likely meant in the sense that people did do lewds of/in the style, but from what I recall yes there are 18+ assets
Why do people keep mistaking him as mean? Do you guys not have friends you joke around with?
>>735587978Nemona isn't even really a rival, she's more like the professor of scarlet/violet. She sees the potential in the player and helps them reach it, I think she's even the one who gives you a starter pokemon.You have to buy the DLC to get a proper rival for those games
>>735588214>Has bants>Doesn't lick the ground you walk on>Doesn't heal your pokemon and give you free shitThat's what people mean
>>735583829It's more of an entitled supreme gentleman incel type thing than outright cucking, and it's not about the sister, it's about a pokemon called Ogerpon.His name is Kieran, he gets pissy because he thinks he's entitled to own Ogerpon but Ogerpon chooses the MC as her trainer, and it's not like there is a pre-established relationship between Kieran and Ogerpon, in fact you meet Ogerpon a few days before Kieran does, so then he goes all psycho and becomes a bully at his school.The sister is called Carmine and she's a regulation tsundere, when you first meet her she tries to be racist and shit but you immediately beat her into submission and she becomes infatuated with you.
>>735587957War/military life style ages the fuck out of you so its not unrealistic to say the avg soldier looks old as hell and rugged because honestly who the fuck is gonna pretty themselves while at the frontline?Maybe not grey hair old but wrinkly sure.
>>735569379Gen 5 was peak because Bianca is cute and hot, I want to be a shota and get raped by Nemona. That is all.
>>735569613And then you have this guy, hyperactive sperg who's nothing but supportive to you, and brings an absolute sledgehammer of a team
>>735588460>smell ya later>bantsThe bar really is just that low...
>>735570627>nigga>shit>fuck>yo, sup>shitI see you translate anime, manga and jap vidya for a living.
>>735569379nemona and may should be switched desu>>735569557we also have multiplayer,mobile,retro,rpg,and strategy game boards
Where do the Black/White rivals fit? They're friendly, sure, but they also do the meme of constantly ambushing the player without warning that Gary is said to do but doesn't actually.
>>735588576Gen 5 rivals were absolute trash after gen 4 though
>>735588460Sure, but a lot of people genuinely hate him and actually see him as a bully.
>>735587883Gen 2 was kind of a shitshow in general. Lots of good ideas but no real payoff to anything.
>>735588767their teams are such jokes that even with them ambushing you they barely register as a roadblock
>>735588767gen v fills their longer routes with npcs who heal your pokemon, it's not a big deal to get ambushed like it was in earlier games
>>735588615It helps that his dad is actually a really good trainer, probably only beaten by Cynthia, so it's in his blood.
>>735588796that's mostly people conflating him with Gary who actually is an asshole during season 1 and people who have never played gen 1 or the remake and just go by the memes
>>735588615>Munchlax>exclusive orange Poketch found nowhere else>dad's a frontier brainthe aura from this faggot
>>735588876>>735588796He's kind of a high strung prick but a lot of his interactions with you aren't that vitriolic. At worst: He does seem genuinly pretty pissed when he loses the final battle and he calls you a gossipy hen at one point in Leafgreen/Firered. Which is kind of funny if you play as a girl.
>>735588797Pokemon in general has an underdeveloped world. Gym leaders and the Elite Four are nothing more than fancy props despite a lot of thought going into their personality and design. Seems like a huge waste.
>>735588861it really helps they actually gave him a 6 pokemon team and put some genuine powerhouses on itthe only thing lacking is that he doesn't have items on his pokemon but otherwise, staraptor, snorlax, heracross and roserade are all top tier pokemon in gen 4, and the gen 4 starters are no pushovers eitherthe only outlier is his floatzel who kinda just exists to exist and rapidash kinda
>>735588959You just know he somehow got that Munchlax in a single headbutt.
>>735569935He's tryharding to come off as an asshole, in Masters EX he discards the pink clothes because he says he prefers purple, he goes off to get a dope Articuno variant, he's promoted to Neo Champion, gets dragged by Nemona and Hilda into a team up to fight Red, Blue and Green to the point they go "damn we need to get better Pokemon" and fights 1 on 1 with Marnie without his own Gigantamax PokemonAlso he got the best Paradox too
>Gary/BlueReal grade A asshole>SilverOnly a dick because his parents are literally Team Rocket chuds and didn't give him any attention, kinda like bullies in preschool and 1st/2nd grade; you know they have a fucked up household>May/BrendanYour childhood friend, not a rival>BarryADHD spaz, also not a rival even if he has a better team>Cheren/BiancaChildhood friends, not rivals>HughThe most real rival in the "modern" Pokemon era but not to you, but towards Team Plasma>Calem/SerenaYour childhood friend, not a rival except their team is dogshit>Hau, HopUseless """rivals"""In Hop's case, Gladion and Marnie are much more closer to a rival>NemonaSEX
>>735588980>He does seem genuinly pretty pissed when he loses the final battlewho wouldn't be, dude was champion for all of 2 seconds als what always bothered me about this was did no one beat the eliet 4 before blue/green?
>>735588980Blue calling you a gossipy hen is funny both ways desu. You could see it as him poking fun at Red for being a man of few words.
>“I think the biggest reason that rivals were more of a jerk in the early days is that we were just limited in what we could express with the pixel graphics.There’s not much that you can do with that kind of little sprite on the screen, so we worked harder to characterize them through dialogue and give them certain personalities,” said Masuda, through an interpreter.>He continued, saying: “Also, because it’s just dialogue and there’s not a whole lot going on on the screen, it doesn’t give as harsh of an impression even if they’re jerks, I think. Now we have HD graphics and the visuals are much more impressive. If you also made him a jerk, the impression would be a lot stronger on players. Another thing, just my own personal take, is that it feels that people with those kinds of personalities these days are just not as accepted by players as they were back then.”They no longer have to rely on dialogue alone for characterization + those kinds of personalities aren't as popular nowadays
>>735588992It's one of the reasons why I think Gen 1 does work despite it's flaws since most of the world is way more grounded than future games.>>735589007>it really helps they actually gave him a 6 pokemon team and put some genuine powerhouses on itHonestly, having started replaying Pokemon games recently, I wish they were willing to give more trainers teams with 6 Pokemon. Having 6 pokemon really isn't going to make Picknicker Joey any more of a challenge and at least it means buff based strategies don't feel like a total waste of time. Having it be a thing just for you, the rival, the team leader, and the champion always felt off.
>>735589087I think the Elite 4 just recently opened up at the start of the game. There's an email in Oak's lab saying that they're accepting challengers
>>735588959>Be cueball >lure some faggot twink into an alleyway >didn't even have to use force, came willingly>decide to have some fun with him, send out your grimer and machoke to mess him up>he sends out a god damn staraptor and snorlax and pounds you into the ground
>>735589074>Your childhood friendIs that a remake thing?In Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald they are just some random kid who took a liking to you when you moved into town recently.
>>735588821Biancas sureIf you are unlucky, Cheren will have rain active for his Dewott due to the season and then he becomes an actual threat.
>>735588768N is probably the best character in any pokemon game.
>>735589087I tend to assume the League opening up was very recent. As for why nobody beat the Elite four in that time... I mean, did you see the shitters in Victory Road? I'm sure that one Mr Mime with Doubleslap is going to beat Lance. >>735589095Fair.
>>735589174honestly, every important battle should have 6 pokemonit's not like it would make the games particularly hard, but for gym leaders it would let them show off cool pokemon of their type and it would let you put 1 or 2 pokemon on an important trainer that are designed to counter the "level only your starter" thing a bitYou can still just revive spam so it's not like you're at any risk of losing
>>735589174Gen 1 was more grounded because they treated it more like the real world. Kanto is the only region to not have its name changed, Lt. Surge was from America, and even Guyana got a name drop. You start seeing the series not take itself so seriously when they stop saying the regions take place in the real world.
Call me a simple man, but I think all rivals should be girls for the sake of better doujins.Hot girls, cute girls, I don't mind none. So long as they're not ugly girls.
>>735588861Doesn't the game say Palmer is actually stronger than Cynthia? That's why Barry wanted to beat the League and go challenge his dad
>>735589335I agree, but I can't help but imagine how much of a shitshow that would have been for most of the earlier games.>Alright, here is the team for the ghost type gym leader:>Haunter, Haunter, Haunter, Gengar, Haunter, and... uh, Misdreavus?
>>735589328>>735589087These are outside of you and Blue the best trainers in all of Kanto by the way, the victory road cooltrainersSome motherfucker was gonna challenge the E4 with a god damn Bellsprout The only one who stands even the remotest chance if he powerlevels his pokemon 10 more levels is the Exeggutor/Cloyster/Arcanine guy but god damn is this dire
>>735589221its not a thing at all, they're just your new neighbor
>>735589350It takes a while, really. Johto and Hoenn are kind of weird and in the middle in that regard where they don't have overt real world references but there also isn't anything really getting in the way of it. >>735589430I don't remember, frankly. It makes sense, even if the how strong people are in the Battle Frontier/Tower is often kind of weird and questionable and best not to think about. Like, I tend to assume not every random shitter you fight in the BF is a champion.
>>735569379>may
>>735570190>(You) completely cuck and ruin Kieran's life.The DLC story is so fucking weird. It genuinely made me uncomfortable. I didn't even want Ogerpon.
>>735589493Golbat is an honorary ghost thanks to Agatha Ghastly, Haunter, Golbat, Misdraevus, Gengar and maybe as surprise pokemon a Stantler since they're fairly spooky and only encountered near his gym?
>>735589181>I think the Elite 4 just recently opened up at the start of the game.>>735589328>I tend to assume the League opening up was very recent.did the world just start or something?
>friendly rival who is sick (Wally)>friendly rival who has family issues (Bianca)>friendly rival who genuinely wants to fuck you (Shauna, ORAS May/Brendan)>friendly rival who is secretly really strong (Hai)>friendly rival who gives up on his dreams (Hop)>friendly rival who is already a Champion level trainer and is smurfing in order to groom you (Nemona)>friendly rival who hates your fucking guts (Kieran)How many more of these can they make?
>>735589087>what always bothered me about this was did no one beat the eliet 4 before blue/greenMy interpretation is that the Red and Blue are just that much better. Your average guy is barely even a trainer and has maybe one or two pokemon they keep around as a pet. Your average trainer has like 3 guys all of the same type or even line. People who got all badges somehow just couldn't stand up to the E4. It's definitely a disconnect between story and game though because most guys in victory road suck ass and it's a very comical thought that they beat all gyms including giovanni.
>>735589572>These are outside of you and Blue the best trainers in all of Kanto by the way, the victory road cooltrainersGionvanni in his final fight honestly has a fairly respectable team. It's not quite "Elite four ready' but with a few TM's and some minor level increases he could probably pull it off.
>>735589691i just didnt get it
>>735589738Stanler could work. Same for Hoothoot/Noctowl. It's not exactly a ghost, but it's spooky and it could theoretically have a nightmare/dream eater set.
>>735589171Last part is bs, a dude like Blue/Gary is timeless
>>735589807it's beyond stupid that the gen 1 remakes decided to nerf his teamhe went from a respectable Rhydon to having a Rhyhorn as acebut yeh, if you gave Giovanni access to a bunch of TM's (which he should because he's friggin Giovanni) you can make his team a genuine threat courtesy of the nidos being able to learn every move under the sun
>>735589807No way man, he's up against Ice and Fighting teams, not to mention Agatha's Gengar has levitate, I have a hard time believing Giovanni could become Champion but I'd very much love a game where Giovanni becomes Kanto's champion just to see the ramifications of it
>>735589640Maybe not so much the games, but there's a pretty big tone shift when you watch the anime. Johto arc has far less jokes and angst between the characters, and Hoenn leans way more into the shounen type of writing. Gen 5 has a weird situation of the games taking themselves way more seriously while the anime goes in the completely opposite direction.
>>735589753>did the world just start or something?There are some vague hints in Gen 1 that Pokemon are a "new" phenomenon. The best argument you could make is that most of the infrastructure just wasn't there. Like, Bill seems to have invented the computer system like a week before the game starts. He also invents time travel in gold and silver so presumably he's a once in a generation mega genius that just happens to also be a weird autist.
>>735589958Gengar does not have levitate in gen 1 though so it's EQ bait
>>735589970>while the anime goes in the completely opposite direction.Anyone have the screenshot of Ash at Elesa's gym?
>>735589776pokemon training in gen 1 seemed more like a hobby than a careerMost of the people you battle in the early game are kids but then in the midgame it's adults with day jobs and then by end game it's full time pokemon trainers
>>735589171>those kinds of personalities aren't as popular nowadaysBy whom? I don't hear a lot of people claiming the nu rivals as their favorite.
>>7355893356 Pokemon should be the norm as you get more badges and mandatory for Victory Road/postgame trainersGym leaders should have a minimum of 4 with them having a full team starting from the 3rd/4th gym; they can forgo this on older remakes where the future 1000+ Pokedex aren't availableKeep the 1-3 shitmons in the early sections of the game and have them be the same level as the derps found in the wild with one slightly higher leveled ace/main even their next evo if possibleBasic and 2nd stage shitters shouldn't exist in the postgame, everyone should have mixed fully evolved or non-evo teams; maybe introduce a trainer class who only uses 2nd stage evos but they come with Eviolites or a fisherman with 6 lvl100 Magikarps with the last one being Shiny and they have Eviolites and spam FlailI'd even go a step further and have 3-4 perfect IVs, appropriate abilities and natures for gym leader Pokemon, 4-5 IVs for main rival/Victory Road/postgame trainers and 6 IVs for every Elite Four/Battle tower fight; to make shit balanced every starter you comes with 6 perfect IVs and they already introduced an Ability Capsule to change from normal to hidden abilities
Does the brown girl actually want to fuck you or are you guys just horny?
>>735585743why does it have to be addressed? why can't it just be left as a character flaw?
>>735589776>and it's a very comical thought that they beat all gyms including giovanni.I question how the fuck they beat Giovanni when he's apparently been gone for a year or two. >>735589958I'll agree it would be hard in Firered/Leafgreen. Blue and Red though... I can't help but feel the only real issue is Lorelei and you could honestly just overpower that with a Nidoking + Nido queen.>>735589970Anime is very weird since you can honestly watch the change happen gradually even in just the kanto section. The pacing is borderline breakneck in the first few episodes compared to everything else.
>>735589926I just realized that neither stantler nor noctowl nor even golbat can learn shadow ball in gen 2 wtfsince the gym leader requirement is being able to learn gym leader TM's I'd say these 3 could be interesting choices that still fit the themeClefable (the whole mirror thing with Gengar)Girafarig (weirdness, and on theme for a ghost gym)Drowzee (sleep theme)
>>735590208I'm gay and she's pretty egregious. She wants to battle you every 2 battle because you're the best of friends!!!! and she forces you to say best friends forever!!!! when you become champion. I was annoyed by the later rivals, but she was the first one I wanted to put a bullet in.
>>735589640>Like, I tend to assume not every random shitter you fight in the BF is a champion.IIRC it's like an invitational, you can get the attention of Scott or someone without necessarily being the champion.
>>735590259>I question how the fuck they beat Giovanni when he's apparently been gone for a year or two.maybe that's why no one beat the elite four, they couldn't even phalange them
>>735590143I agree, but I also get why they don't do that because kids play the game. In a ideal world you would eventually face trainers with actual teams with clear strategies that intelligently try to switch up their Pokemon and use combos. But that would PROBABLY require a actual dedicated hard mode.As is though, at least drop the endless 1-3 shitmon trainers. Especially if they go "Why did I lose?" afterwards. Like, wow, idiot. Could it be the 3 other slots you aren't using.
I'm tired of pretending this isn't peak.
>>735590259The personalities were far better in those early episodes. I think they became more sanitized when they signed the dubbing rights off to 4Kids.
>>735590143>they should make everything boring and minmaxed and gay just like the romhacks trannies make
>>735590259>>735590434>on my adventure to be the best>on a hot streak, 7 gyms under my belt>"wtf gym closed?">years pass>run out of money>have to wageslave to make ends meet>pokemon aren't anywhere near close to their fighting peak>two little faggots sneak in and snipe the gym AND the elite four the first hour it's back while I'm on my shiftDoes that mean the people in victory road have been stuck there for years too?
>>735590360>2 battlegyms*
>>735590259Who said they're the same eight badges, the fighting type gym was a thing before Sabrina destroyed them
>>735590267Those all seem like good choices. Could also see Umbreon in there, both as a coverage to deal with any ghosts you bring and as a connection to the Kimono Girls. >I just realized that neither stantler nor noctowl nor even golbat can learn shadow ball in gen 2 wtfAs somebody who is currently through Gen 2, it's impressive how the move sets are actually worse. It's the same horrific learnpool gore of Gen 1 but with worse TM's that are learned by less Pokemon.
>>735569379Was May a dick? I dont remember her being mean but I remember her kicking my ass a lot when you battle her after the third gym leader.Blue and Silver never gave me any trouble growing up but that one specific fight in Saphire under the cycling road kicked my ass and made me grind to beat her
>>735590513I had more trouble with Drayton cuz that asshole forced me to use new Pokemon from Blueberry, what a good fight that wasI stuck to using Pokemon of similar level against Kieran but I used Ogerpon against him and the AI specifically focuses on killing Ogerpon
>>735569379>conveniently ignores Gladion, Bede, and Kieran
>>735590727lol no, may doesn't even fully evolve her starter
>>735590751Gladion and Bede are very ignorable, yes
I think the structure from GS on is that you are a champion, but you're not -the- champion. Like your name goes up on the hall of fame, you get a tv special dedicated to you, but you don't put Steven or Cynthia out of a job when you best them. I also tend to headcanon that they're not at full strength in their jobs either, like how gym leaders are sandbagging a bit.
>>735590957Lando Norris is the current Formula One champion but not a single person in the world would say he's as good as Senna or Schumacher or Hamilton or Verstappen
>>735589775>friendly rival who is being forced by his overbearing parents to be a trainer due to his natural talent but doesn’t enjoy battling, has to put on an act to not disappoint themI’ve got you for Gen 10 ask me again in 5 years
>>735590513im not playing ntr dlc
>>735591362It's not literal ntr bro it's just a meme
>>735590605>Does that mean the people in victory road have been stuck there for years too?grim
>>735590957Elite Four is just weird in general when it comes to early depictions of it. Kanto has a complete vacancy until you and Blue come along, but Lance is technically the champion. Hoenn which takes place at the same time has Wallace fill in for Steven when he's busy, so why isn't Blue recognized as a champion alongside you?
>>735590957I think the position is held by choice. Blue beats Lance and becomes THE Champion, then Red beats him and become THE Champion, but declines the post and leaves to go train on Mt Silver.Then Blue and Lance after had a discussion and Blue stated he wanted to take over the Virdiian City Gym as it's leader with Giovanni gone, probably because its close to his hometown, and Lance remained in post as the Champion. Either Blue didn't care to remain as Champion after losing the title to Red because he already accomplished it once, or Lance got stronger between the two gens and was able to take back the title from Blue.Being Champion seems to have some sort of duties attached to it as they all seem to rove around as Celebs on a roadshow and being superheroes. Maybe Blue wanted to chill and be nearer his Grandfather and his researchYou see in later games other trainers like Wallace step up from being a Gym Leader and snag the champion spot after Steven gets knocked off the throne, but maybe Brendan/May dont want it because their goal was Pokedex completion/travelling and becoming Champion was just a sidequest for them
Rate my attempt at a "Giovanni if he locked in" team for gen 1They all know fissure because that's Giovanni's signature TM he developed himself, and because he's not above going for a hail-maryAnd he doesn't use other gym leader TM'sDugtrio-Earthquake-Slash-Rock Slide -FissureNidoqueen-Ice Beam-Surf-Thunder-FissureNidoking-Flamethrower-Ice Beam-Double Kick-FissureMarowak -Bonemerang-Counter-Submission-FissureGolem-Earthquake-Rock Slide-Explosion-FissureRhydon-Hyper Beam-Earthquake-Rock Slide-Fissure
>>735591205>But meeting the MC and fighting them, someone above their level, makes it fun againNow if only the MC was also a cripple but started throwing hands himself in the final battle and we'd have soccer kino
>>735591465why does lance become champrion now, what stopped him before
>>735591465How did Wallace beat Steven?That's bullshit and you know it.
>>735591465I think it's implied that Wallace was always the level of a champion, but isn't the main designated one and only fills in for Steven when he's busy with company related work. Makes me wonder why a champion would fulfill the role of a gym leader when sidelined instead of being among the Elite Four though. It really lessens the idea of the Elite Four actually being the strongest of that region.
>>735591465The truth is that the champion position is just JRPG final boss bullshit and they made no effort to think about how it actually functions until Gen 7 and up
>>735591856The champion is just the latest guy to win it and you people are retards thinking too hard on something simple. Someone else becoming champion doesn't erase you from the history bookswatch more sports and less anime
>>735589350>Gen 1 was more grounded because they treated it more like the real worldGSC was as grounded as RBY since the region is just Kansai but in different name. It even has 2 legendary Pokemon who are just gods from the real world. Ho-oh is the chinese bird god while Lugia is the shinto god of sea. Fenghuang and Ryūjin respectively.
>>735591779god Wallace is the single worst champion pokemon ever hadChampions should not have type themes and if you absolutely have to do a type theme as a champion make it something that is actually an innate power type and not fucking WATERAt least with Steven only half his team was steel, steel innately is a good typing, Skarmory doesn't have some of the more common steel weaknesses, Aggron is a power house and Metagross is a pseudomeanwhile Wallace is literally all water types and in theory you could say that sure they tried to at least not let you swipe him with a single electric type through Whiscash but that thing is simply just not a good pokemon and probably fails to KO anything even with a STAB earthquake
>>735591967>Watch sportsFuck no. Your explanation also doesn't explain why RBY has no champion at all despite the league not being anything new.
>>735591495Think it might work. Main issue is Lorelei, and rest is pretty easy. Even Lance really only has Gyrados since hyper beam doesn't do much on rock and he will spam agility against the two Nido's.
>>735592143If you really want to be hung up and autistic about this you can just headcanon Professor Oak as the former champion. They ask him to come visit by email and Agatha is seething about how Oak's old and washed up.
>>735592084>god Wallace is the single worst champion pokemon ever hadno thats still alder, bum lost before you even got to him, and he hands down has the worst champion theme
What do we think of the manga?
>>735589430Barry's rematch in Platinum's post-game had the highest level of any rival until Kieran in the second SV DLC
>>735592084It's okay having type themes but Wallace's team is literal ass.Not even a Starmie and Whiscash to fuck shit up.
>>735589074Blue is literally your childhood friend. Just because he's got bants doesn't mean he hates your guts. May and Brendan on the other hand are rhe next door neighbor in the town you just moved to. Cheren explicity wants to be champion and so do you, thus you are rivals. Bianca has no real goals for most of the game so she's not a rival, you got that much right.
>>735592297>portray the rare Injun in vidya>jobs hard before you reach him>the best and most popular champion in all of Pokemon is simply taking a vacationKWAB
>>735588661I see you're a translation complainer who would rather bitch about things not sounding exactly the way you PERSONALLY like than make your own version that sounds like whatever schizo nonsense you've made up in your own head.
>>735591779>How did Wallace beat Steven?It's weird since it almost feels like a follow up to Ruby and Saphire... but it's not as Emerald is not a sequel. Still, If I have to guess: Type advantage. Granted, Steven actually has some good coverage but Water types still fuck a lot of his shit up.>>735592084It's funny since they got it pretty right with Lance.>through Whiscash but that thing is simply just not a good pokemon and probably fails to KO anything even with a STAB earthquakeShould have given him a swampert. Thing is terrifying with proper coverage.
>>735592297At least Alder has a good team and a fantastic ace Wallace wouldn't even qualify as a gen 5 elite 4
StarmieSwampertSlowkangKingdraSharpedoLapras
>>735569379>May on the topWhat. If you want to count gameplay jerkery like when she ambushes you under cycling road, then Wally coming out of nowhere when you're ten steps away from the exit to Victory Road in RS would make him a jerk.>bottom rowPeople always forget games have multiple rivals. Hau was your friendly rival, Gladion was your jerkass rival. Hop was your friendly rival, Bede was your jerkass rival. And both of them were way bigger assholes than Blue.
>>735579732The rival fights were designed to do exactly that. They were the way for the games to encourage you to prepare for the various routes and be ready for situations you didn't necessarily plan for. Besides being Babby's First JRPG, it also set you up to be ready to not fuck up the legendary fights where you only have one shot.
>>735592381he also gets replaced by a better champion with a better theme in his 3rd version
>>735592230in theory against Lorelei you could abuse the fact that Dugtrio's fissure actually has a pretty good chance to hit against slowbro and cloyster due to speed difference
>>735592762Lenora should have been the champ, double down on Aunt Jemima
>>735591495Replace Marowak or Golem with Persian, its Gio-Core.
>may>badass jerk
>>735592762>aauw cute she thinks she's a princess>Have a motherfucking minmaxed hydreigon as opener>What the hell do you mean "Haxorus hung on using it's focus sash and used dragon dance"
>>735592839>Lenorathats so random
>>735592784Yeah. Nidoqueen might also outspeed them enough that she can get a thunder off.
>>735591717The 12 leaders/E4 are probably employed by the pokemon league for fixed term contracts.>guaranteed position even if you lose>live in the same city all year (vs traveling like Red)>get paid by how many trainers you defeat>don't have to risk your own money>allows you to refine your mastery of a particular type Seems like a pretty good deal.
>>735592862Good point, I'll replace the Golem, I like the thematic connection with Giovanni locking in being him atoning for what happened at the pokemon tower>>735591495Persian-Slash-Hyper Beam-Thunder-Fissure (yes this is an illegal move, I don't care, his Persian is built differently)
>>735569379why is half of /vr/ fucking pokemon threads what is going on?
>>735569379Why is the gen 3 rival presented as a jerk here?
>>735590119I started loving Nemona when it was pointed out that her personality is literally Goku.
>>735593154Youtubers found out that Brendan says "You're pretty tough, for a girl!" and they are losing their minds at how toxic and misogynistic this E rated Nintendo game secretly is.
>>735593136Pokemon board, Pokemon world
>>735592954I did a small adjustment as seen here>>735593067Also Nidoking outspeeds Lorelei's entire team as well and could definitely pick up a kill with double kick on dewgong and lapras
>>735592304Green is very sexy.
>>735593061my head canon (before scarlet and violet ruined it) was that every gym leader has multiple teams which they swapped between depending on the experience level of the challenger. Which is why when you get to the endgame and challenge them again they use their real teams which are why everyone respects their abilities as a trainer so much
>>735590119>those doujins of ash and gary and ash's internal monologue is him freaking out and dying a million deaths wondering what garys thinking>garys just not even thinking anythinglmao
>>735593491wait wrong way around, its red, who never thinks anything and its gary thinking histronically, i think. been ages since i read them.
>>735593481I'm still absolutely mad that they went and made open world pokemon games and DID NOT DO THISit's not that hard to make 8 teams per gym leader Also fuck Falkner for not having gen 2 flying types, at least give that man a hoothoot and a natu
>>735593481thats how the manga works and SV was the perfect time to use that but gamefreak are retards
>>735593273No really it's like I started playing some rom hacks and people were listening to me play it and all got into pokemon again.
>>735593481>even his rematch team prefers hoenn and sinnoh mons johto sissies....
>>735593481It makes sense since the whole point of gym leaders is to challenge. Not just serve as a impossible road block.Though I guess it does make Clarice even worse...
>>735593481this is also my head canon which was validated by origins
>>735593636It's wild that Bugsy uses Kakuna and Metapod of all Pokemon on his team. I want to say that in some versions they only know Harden too but I don't feel like checking.
>>735593481That was mine as well but since I didn't bother with SV I didn't realize they didn't do it
>>735593670>>735593136Some of the threads are probably organic, but there's also a faggot that ban evades and spams /vr/ with one topic - a few months ago, half the catalog was about Mortal Kombat at any given time
>>735593670hey im also playing a romhack right now
>>735593636Gen 2 gym leader teams are almost as baffling as gen 2 new mon placements.Like, I will never understand what they were smoking with locking shit to mt silver.
>>735569379>may>badass jerkiirc the rival in 3rd gen is ur best friend and in 4th gen its a simp
>>735593685Gen 2 is the generation of fucking awful pokemon so that makes sense.
>>735593685I guess they decided Xatu belongs to Will but man thats dumb
>>735593892I think it's more gen 2 is mostly cut gen 1 mons so they saw them at the time as just an expansion of gen 1 than its own identity.
>>735593725I think they gave them bug bite in hgss but pretty sure original only had harden.Ledyba and Spinarak were right there like wtf.
>>735569379>>735570627>Japanese wojaks>>735592393nigger
>>735593725it even violates the rule that gym pokemon should learn the gym leader TMalso it's not that, at least they gave them tackle and poison sting, which are their only moves in the gen 2 remakes at thatseriously not only is Bugsy's gym TM absolute and utter SHIT (Misty had BUBBLEBEAM ON A STARMIE for comparison of how shit his TM is) but 2 out of 3 pokemon of his can't even learn itAt least give him a beedrill and since we're not sticking to the "has to learn the gym tm" rule anyways, give him an ariados and a ledian, it's not as if those are strong pokemon anyways, ledian is a joke, but at least it's a funny joke instead of a sad joke like metapod on a gym leader
>>735593784don't forget locking pokemon like houndour and even slugma to post gameslugma is the epitome of an early game pokemon you ditch give slugma in Ilex forest, and make it evolve at lv 28 instead of 38 and now people might not mistake it for a gen 3 pokemon
>>735593725I love that about Bugsy, you think he's a pushover with shitmon and then he suddenly sends out Scyther which is twice as fast and twice as strong as any pokemon you can get at that point in the game and rapes youAs someone who picked Chikorita as a kid I had more trouble with Bugsy than Whitney
>>735593952I'm glad they changed their approach with later generations. When I replayed GSC recently I was starting to wonder if a lot of the shit flinging at the new mons was because of how shit like 70% of them were and not necessarily them not liking the new designs.
>>735593990TM being fucking awful in gen 2 is something I did not remember. But it's baffling how much better they are in both gen 1 and gen 3. Like, the worst Gym TM in gen 1 was probably bide from Brock.
>>735594064>and rapes youHaha no he doesn't, not with his movesetLook at this, it's godawful
The original Pokemon did a great job at making things feel risky, like it was live-or-dieNow, the rival is meant to lose and congratulate you for fucking his ass. In the old game he always came back stronger, that was enjoyable. He actually beat me once or twice on the return. When he talked shit, it felt like a challenge. When the new one sucks dick, it’s fucking disgusting. Keep my dick out your mouth faggot
>>735569379>mean badass jerksYou mean like Blue who helps you?The only old-timey mean rival was Silver, Gladion and Bede are meaner than every other old rival, and that's despite Gladion being a good guy.
>>735594161in theory shadow ball early is amazingin practice virtually nothing could learn shadow ball and 90% of the pokemon that could learn it were special attackers so good luck with that
>>735569448mmmm you don't wanna mess with them
>>735593958nope, metapod and kakuna are literal filler for u-turn I mean it's leagues better than his gen 2 team by virtue of u-turn actually being a good move but if you needed filler you could have at least picked a Ledian who's only stat worth mentioning is sp-def
>>735594059Fire/Rock is a cool concept in theory until you actually think about it. At least Gen 3 gave Slugma somewhat more of a chance to shine.>>735594064I think Bugsy's Scyther has less of a bad rep because a lot of people pick the fire starter.Though both Bugsy and Whitney are hard countered by a simple geodude.
>>735594257Ghost type being physical in the first place was a retarded decision.
>>735594389at least miltank can actually outlast a geodude with milk drink and it's strong enough to stomp it to death or build up rollout on it until it ko's the geodude by rollout 4 and then you have to sacrifice something to rollout 5
>>735594195Fury cuter is actually pretty dangerous if it's all he uses.
>>735594516it really isn't dangerousit's a base power 20 move that's resisted by half the pokemon in the gameeach time he uses it it goes up by 10 base powerhe needs to use it 4 times for it to be stronger than quick attackhe needs to use it 8 times before it's at the same power as rollout 3and it can missnot to mention the AI is not smart enough to not use quick attack in between because
>>735594390It makes sense if the main intent of ghost was to counter physic. It was however awful at that job due to having no good moves and Gengar being a special attacker with poison.The worst offender to me will always be dragon and dark. GF seems to straight up forget they were special since almost every dark Pokemon used physical.
>>735569379Kind of nuts how May was an absolute menace despite being the nicest rival when she was introduced. Having her starter be at such a high level on the second battle as well as an overall annoying team was harsh for my younger self.
>>735594692Hmmm, fair. He used it pretty consistently when I fought him. But that might have just been bad luck.
>>735594692oh wait my mistake it's not 8 times, it's 11 times before it's as strong as rollout 3
>>735569557...that should've been deleted when we got dedicated "video game generals" board.
>>735594707dragon isn't too bad honestly, dragonite is 100 base special attack, kingdra is base 95, flygon base 80, Altaria is base 70 (same as attack), salamence base 110, Latias base 110, Latios base 130 and rayquaza base 150it's only resisted by steel and every dragon gets access to earthquake and or fire blast
>>735594707Dragon was a fine as a strong defensive type certain boss monsters had, it only went to shit in gen 4 when they added shit like draco meteor
>>735576907Made for rimming my asshole
>>735594390I think that GF wanted to have the physical/special split since gen 1, but kept fumbling the bag so hard that they ended up making retarded decisions until gen 3. I mostly blame gen 2 for reinforcing the issue instead of fixing it when they had the chance.
>>735569379>>735569579>>735570213>ヌルゲーMeans "excessively easy" on the bottom of the image, and that's exactly true.Pokemon is a children's game, marketed towards children and that's exactly what Nintendo is doing these days. Manchildren should realize this and grow up. Although Pokemon is great for learning Japanese, it's braindead easy and the pokemon names in Japanese are fun puns. I'm playing through Black/White and it's fun, not if I wasn't learning Japanese though.
>>735594707Ghost was made physical purely because of lick, Shadow ball lowering spdef shows that it was clearly not meant to be a physical move.
>>735594692Your math is busted>10 base power in gen II>doubles each use>10, 20, 40, 80, 160 (max)Still not particularly dangerous since it takes 4 turns of investment to get somewhere decent, 5 to get dangerous. Gen V and Gen VI buffed it to a more reasonable level (4 or 3 turns to max).
>>735595536And crunch would lower physical despite being special, wacky fucking decisions.>>735595418Gen 3 doubled down too with all the mixed attackers that would end up getting screwed next gen
>>735594951Most dragons have acceptable special attack, sure. But it's baffling how moves like dragon claw or ourage are special. Also dragon dance boosts physical not special. Not a huge problem from a gameplay perspective, but odd overall.>>735595418Wasn't there leftover code indicating they wanted a physical split as early as gen 1?
>>735596284>Gen 3 doubled down too with all the mixed attackers that would end up getting screwed next genlike what? comp sets leaned towards minmaxed stat spreads anyways. like breloom doesn't even run grass stab or medicham doesn't run psychic stab. charizard would rather run hidden power grass than flying. gyarados doesn't even run water stab. gen 4 splitting moves and making a ton of learnsets not garbage made shitmons MORE viable not less.
>>735596597things exactly like breloom, medicham, claydol and ones like Banette that finally got the attack to use ghost type only to get rugpulled next gen.idk about comp but i always felt kinda shitty bringing a mon just to not use its main type, even a monster like Gyarados.
>>735596403I remember reading something about the leftover code, but don't quote me on that. There is also evidence among pokemon with movesets that only make sense with a physical/special split (i.e. Hitmonchan's moveset going all in on the elemental punches) and gen 1 being a rushed, broken mess of code in general.
>>735592304It was weird that some of the gyms were rocket goon and the E4 seeked to actually destroy humanity, right?
>>735596597he's talking about the Slow Frail Mixed Attacker syndrome gen 3 has stuff like cacturne or camerupt
>>735592084>innate power type and not fucking WATERDumb monkeyGen 3 was THE bulky water gen fucking suicune 1v6es with just surf as an attack
>>735590727May isn't, but Brendan is a bit condescending, especially in Japanese. It was toned down a bit in the English translation, where he comes off as a bit more "confident older brother" type. Calling him a jerk is a strong word, but, it's definitely closer to Blue than to say Hau
>>735596795so you're a moron spewing a myth you believe on vibes, got it.
>>735597142no
>>735569379Will never understand the silver like, guy is just a massive loser.
>>735591495>Nidoking>-FlamethrowerFlamethrower isn't a TM in gen 1. It was added in gen 2. Fire Blast is the only option in gen 1, and that's Blaine's.
>>735597093The was also mothefucking Swampert, aka the face of bulky waters, plus the entire list of water types designed to bulk introduced in gen 3 (Wailord, Milotic, Pelipper)
>>735597093Did Wallace have a suicune, bub?
>>735597279He seems cool for dumb kids since he steals his first pokémon and since he acts superior. You're supposed to realize that he's pathetic as you grow older, unlike someone like Blue who can actually back up his cocky attitude.
>>735597287...son of a bitch you're right I completely overlooked that, I was sure flamethrower was a TM in gen 1 too replacing it with surf would work, maybe render the team a bit more generic
>>735569538Because the moderation team and jannies are not doing their job. I wouldn't be working hard either considering the amazing pay they get ($0)
>>735592903I maintain, that Iris is the best constructed champion team of all time.Even Cynthia's is ultimately a random bullshit go team, largely held down by Garchomp being a monster. Iris has half dragons. Each of her dragons has an option for Steel types. Druddigon and Hydreigon also have an option for Ice.Then she has Lapras and Aggron, both of which counter enemy dragons and ice types. She'll naturally bring these in if you beat one of her dragons with a natural counter, either killing it or putting damage on your switch. Archeops also covers ice well, but is more important becauseShe has Archeops in the back, who is designed to rape anything worn down by trading with the dragons or anti-dragon counters thus far. And has Endeavor as a final fuck you if you knock it down to Defeatist. And THEN her Haxorous can come in and exploit the holes punched in your team by setting up and sweeping.
Also just for funMisty if she locked the fuck inStarmie - lv 80-Surf-Psychic-Blizzard-ThunderAnd 10 max elixirs
>>735569379>Green and Silver were lame idiots that had to challenge you right after long routes to have a chance>Hau and Co heal you so they fight you at your bestKeep your incompetent, outright filled edgelords, I'd take the competent retards that actually kinda matter to the game's story any day. Remember how Silver was Giovanni's son? Because GF clearly doesn't
>>735597838Don't forget her actually doing something super interesting in using Life Orb Sheer Force to make Druddigon punch WELL above his weight class, like a dragon champion should be doingPossibly catching the player off guard who's not expecting a Druddigon to hit as hard as it doesAnd challenge mode absolutely gets credit for flying gem acrobatics which actually has a good chance of teaching the player a fun combo
>>735597880We should be thankful that Misty was the only trainer smart enough to use a Starmie and that she's only the second gym leader, how horrifying.
>>735570190Kieran was a retard though, he could have accepted that he isn't entitled to Ogerpon as that bitch is like, a sentient being that can decide what dick to ride and just, go back to Blueberry and fuck that steel "elite four" instead of sperging out.He could have totaly be at the level of someone like Nemona if he didn't get carried away by his own edge, hell, he could have totally caught Peacherunt instead of us (I like to belive he does because we genuinely have negative use for it)
>>735598091>nice carefully constructed teams you have there E4 members but here's my overleveled Starmie
>>735592393lmao he nailed it, amazing
>"Haha, I'm better than you!">loses>"Okay, I'm still better than you though.">loses again>"I don't even care, I'm definitely better than you.">literally never manages to win onceThe reason the old type of rival fell out of style is because it's hard to be "badass" when your win/loss streak is literally 0/10.
Every poster above me wish they were gary motherfucking oak
>>735599318>gives up trying to be the champion because he thinks it's impossible>watches Ash actually becoming the champion
>>735599549>10 badges>harem of bitches>eternal /v/ legendSounds like a champ to me
>>735599549>watches Ash actually becoming the championYeah like 6 generations later
>>735598919It's only funny pretending they are Wimp Lo once.
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>>735569538>>735569557I wish jannies would actually enforce GR15 for once baka
>>735569379unrelated but has pokemon ever had a good anti-hero, compared to most of the other franchises, beyblade did a way better job at making an anti-hero
>>735569379i don't miss anything about gen 2, as someone that began with gen 1
>>735570950Blue/Gary always showed up the worst place at the worst time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtXA_ptplak&list=PLwfGz5L2VZJcOsWwEicXUmAv0hoKNQxlw&index=5
>>735585969>Pokemon games only punish you if you play like a fucking moronSeems like the only people who would complain about newer games being too easy are people who played like idiots.Yeah rivals healing you before fighting them is very hand holding but most anyone is gonna have been healing before the rival fights in older games anyway.
>>735602360>assuming idiotic kids aren't breezing through pokemon by just spamming earthquake or flamecharge or even leaf storm.that sure showed Anon how the game is piss easy
>>735599549After so fucking long, by the point Ash could retire, Gary replaced his geriatric grandpa and become a renown scientist that found how to cure cancer with Reuniclus.
>>735569379May was not a mean/jerk rival. Realistically only the first two gens had rivals like that.
just play fangames at this point they are a thousand times better than gamefreak games
>>735602932I mean if we're agreeing the games are easy no matter what then there's no reason to have ever been hyping up the old rivals for their whole "haha they challenge you at 1HP" when really people only like them for their personalities
>>735603239most fangames are bad too just in a different way to the original pokemon games. Just lots of arbitrary bullshit rules that have become ingrained like how using items is bad but unlimited pokemon switching is fine
>>735603261>only liked for their personalities i don't know about that one, since I didn't like s/v or SW/SH rivals considering how 1 dimensional they were unlike rivals from other franchises, a big example of this despite being hated on was yugioh zexal with shark who actually well written for a rival with way more personality than most of the modern pokemon rivals than just being I fight you and follow u around everywhere, inb4 side stories they're alright but they add nothing to the characters whatsover even goh did better than most of the rivals
>>735589036You know that he ran headfirst into a tree and somehow a munchlax dropped down
>>735584503It makes sense, young boys act mean if they are into a girl
>>735588661lmao
>>735570964.... that image was edited to make the thighs thicker, wasn't it?
>>735579467For me this specific encounter became memorable not because of its difficulty or anything (it was easy) but because it was how I actually managed to progress. For a very long time I believed the bike road to be blocking my path so I would always restart my save thinking I probably missed something to progress. You can't imagine the day I just went and went below it, how happy it made me. I was a braindead kid at the time
