Which vidya franchise does this apply to?
>>735572210Halo
The entire Souls franchise.People dont even remember anymore that a huge appeal of Demons and Dark 1 was the mystery and novelty of the formula. Now everyone knows exactly what a Souls game is
>>735572210Mega Man X
>>735572210>Taking something that worked because it was a simple concept executed to perfection and ruining it with non-stop escalation and worldbuilding that removes the potential of the original conceptHmm... Sonic the Hedgehog?
>>735572210Resident Evil
Gears of WarHaloSoulsHalf LifeResident EvilMGSFEARAssassin's Creed
Metal Gear.
>>735572210Doom
>>735572210Hotline Miami. The developers' attempt at trying to explain the cool premise of "a guy in an animal mask goes to locations to kill people because his phone tells him to" was retarded and unsatisfying.
stop posting screenshots from other websites because you are afraid of confrontation and don’t want to say something to that person yourself
>>735572210Star Wars (both movies and games)Started off as this wacky adventure with weird aliens in the background and now I have to know about Glup Shitto's cousins
>>735572628Halo was always about finding out who you were as a species.Half-Life was always about being vague as fuck and railroading the player into existential dilemmas.Resident Evil was always about explaining the zombies and the backdrop which led to original sins like forbidden knowledge and subsequently eternal life.
>>735572628Half Life does the opposite and barely explains anything
>>735572305Yeah, if you ignore the 6-9 extremely similar games From made prior to Demon's Souls.
>>735572305That's literally the opposite of OP's pic
>>735572292Bungies games have been convoluted since the 90s
>>735572210Alien prequels are one of the greatest pleb filters of cinema, it's no wonder some retard on Twitter finds them too complicated.
>>735573662They are barely better than 3 and Resurrection but that's not a high bar
>>735572210i fucking hate all that engineers ayylmao stuff
>>735572210The backrooms and most horror games now with tons of lore about dead kids and domestic abuse. instead of just survive or monster kills you
>>735572210I worry about when Monster Hunter tries to pull a full origin story.
>>7355737733 and Resurrection are both better than Alien$.
>>735573662The prequels are complete ass and ruin the entire franchise in so many ways, from the level of tech to how much explaining you need to justify the complete information blackout in Alien 1. Like the fact that engineers lived in the same time period as humans, and both had FTL, and their only contact was a retard android.
>>735573912Now this is b8
>>735572210FF14 completely shat on any and all mystique by>Introducing a precursor race>Showing you how all creatures and everything were the product of this precursor race's god-like ability to create whatever>Showing you the doomsday scenario was a product of them fucking around with creation>And also the rebuilding of the world by creating a god to hold it together>And also the destruction of that world by creating another god to oppose it>And also the other gods>And also every race that's crawled back up from the ashes to start over, and their civilizations>It was all just the last of the precursor race guiding everyone back and spoonfeeding them>And also your power lmaoTheres literally nothing unique or unexplained left in the setting and its fucking wild, except for one spicy space rock that they write off in a sidequest.I wanna go back to being just a powerful retard fighting dragons and also the gods are mysterious maybe, but I would still fuck the doomsday bird.
>>735572769>Halo was always about finding out who you were as a species.It was about what the fuck halo was and who the forerunners are while not trying to get genocided. Don't know what the fuck you're on about but the 4chan pass really is a checkmark for certified retard posts
>>735573834Monster Hunter is a weird example because there’s always been an element of “well there’s no biological reason a monster could XYZ HOW COULD IT BE” and my own response has always been “I don’t care I want to hit it with a TCS”
>>735574529Did you not see the entirety of,the first game when you go on one big adventure to find out how giant rings were invented specifically for humans to find it?
>>735572210Most of them, everyone wants to cash in on a legion of youtubers making [GAME] lore explained videos as a form of marketing
>>735572628>Half LifeIn what way? HL2 is basically a whole new plot, only using HL1 as a backdrop on which to base some of its aesthetic and the backstory for Gordon. HL:A is mostly more of the same as HL2 though the nature of some things being rendered with higher fidelity means you see a bit more of the inner workings of Combine technology. It's not like you actually learn anything of relevance to the overall plot though, you just now know that the green health containers squish a grub to extract green fent.
>>735574843ThisYou learn nothing about the gman or the combine
>>735573834>>735574584Monster Hunter tries to soft explain monster abilities by shit like "They have a sac" or "BEES" and shit like that, they never go full biology though and they should keep it that way.But I do like the ecology and or lore behind monsters, like how the Blos family of monsters are actually herbivores.
>>735572210splatoonfuckin' human crystals
>>735572671Fucking this>Doom 1:You are last marine, survive and kill demons>Doom 2: Again>Doom 3: Again, but slower and you can't see shit, and something about Soul Cube>Doom (2016): At an undetermined time, Pierce opens the portal for the demons, who overrun the facility and kill almost all of its staff. To repel them, Hayden awakens the Slayer, who recovers his armor and initially ignores Hayden's entreaties to work together. Denied information unless he agrees to help Hayden, the Slayer acquiesces and begins to be guided by VEGA. After clearing out the facility core and preventing a meltdown in its foundry, the Slayer pursues Pierce up the tower...>Doom Eternal: In 2163, fourteen years after the events on Mars, Earth has been overrun by demons, wiping out 60% of the planet's population. The Union Aerospace Corporation (UAC) has been fully corrupted into a demonic cult. What remains of humanity has either fled Earth or joined the Armored Response Coalition (ARC) resistance movement. The Doom Slayer, having previously been betrayed by Dr. Samuel Hayden, returns with a satellite fortress controlled by the AI VEGA to quell the demonic invasion by killing the Hell Priests: Deags Nilox, Ranak, and Grav. The priests serve an angelic being known as the Khan Maykr, who seeks to sacrifice mankind for her own race's survival. The Slayer teleports to Earth and kills Deag Nilox, but the Khan Maykr transports the two remaining priests to unknown locations.The Slayer retrieves a celestial locator from the Sentinel world of Exultia...>Doom Dark Ages: Long before Hell's invasions of both Mars and Earth,[a] the Night Sentinels of Argent D'Nur and their allies the Maykrs are locked in a ferocious war with the forces of Hell, who seek the Heart of Argent. The Doom Slayer, who has been empowered by the Maykrs, is deployed to help turn the tide in favor of humanity. However, the Slayer does not fight completely of his own free will, as his master Kreed Maykr...Kill me.
>>735572210Nu-Doom. It's amazing, they managed to perfect the "16 and launch Eternal, then absolutely SHIT on everything they did with the DLC, and then doubled down on it with the sequel.
>>735572210Not a franchise but these applies to every sympathetic villain trope. Even worse when said villain wasn't plan to be sympathetic in the first place but he or she got too popular.
>>735572210Any single one with rampant lorefags which is a bunch of themI'll just say Zelda timelinefags since they're one of the earliest notable examples
>>735572210>facebook image of a twatter postthis board is so fucked
>>735575801>>735575941lmao what were they thinkingWho the fuck plays Doom for the story?
>>735572492this 200%
>>735576672there's been posts exactly like yours for 15 years now. secret is it was never not fucked
>>735572305you are a retard
>>735576706Fake Doom fans who think playing Brutal Doom counts as playing the original games, and also think Doom Guy is "fucking epic".
>>735575941No offense, but I think 2016 started being shit with all the "le Doom SLAYAH doesn't care!" shit while still being pushed down some literal who characters and having some idiot speaking to you.And launch Eternal was literally >>735575801 this with even MORE of the Doom SLAYAH shit and how badass he is and how there is some alien "heaven" vs "hell" war and how Doom SLAYAH was trained to SLAYAH some demons and RIP AND TEAR shit which is genuine second-hand embarrassment fuel to everyone who isn't a teenage boy.Imo Doom 3 did the most Doom game should do if you really want there to be some kind of story. It at least did the "this is a horror game now" thing even if I dislike Doom 3 for many other reasons. And even then there was too much voice acting etc. story focus.But 2016, it was fucking over. I got hyped over the trailers but the moment I realized it was beginning of nu-vidya where there is some voice in your earpiece nonstop talking about shit you don't care or to "react" to your BADASS SLAYAH shit, it was fucking over.But yeah the DLC shit and Dark ages was fucking horrid and there was that fucking story shit. Doom hasn't been Doom after Doom 3.Voice acting is overrated.Just let me slay demons in fast paced game without some retarded arenas that kinda larp Serious Sam stuff but not really.
>>735573834I absolutely do not in any capacity want to see them fleshing out the super-ancient civilizations that made all the ruins, the old great war that's constantly hinted at or the equal dragon weaponthat shit needs to remain distant, mysterious and vague as I bonk the shit out of rathalos for the 45th time
>>735576706Games are like porn, you expect it to have a story but your dont expect it to be very good.
>>735572210This is completely spot on. Those first two movies are still fucking incredible, some of the best horrors ever made and they're 40+ years old now. The moment they started explaining everything and anything, they immediately devalued the monster and the mythos.
>>735572305That might be that way to you. But to them they just wanted to adapt most of Armored Core's mechanics (specially the weight and third person perspective) into an RPG adventure title.
>>735577425Except for adventure games or RPGs
Endless mystery box niggas need to cease to exist.If something exists as a real thing in-universe, then constantly adding new and deeper mysteries with no intention to give any answers is just tiresome when it ends basically where it started.>"You can just insert your own explanation :)"This doesn't mean you have to make "THING: ORIGINS" where everything is gone through with in-depth detail either though.
>>735572210>NOOOO IS BETTER WHEN I DON'T KNOW SHITliteral 0 IQ take.
Endless mystery box niggas need to cease to exist.If something exists as a real thing in-universe, then constantly adding new and deeper mysteries with no intention to give any answers is just tiresome when it ends basically where it started.>"You can just insert your own explanation :)"Cheap bullshit which only works as long as you can string people along with your vague shit. This doesn't mean you have to make "THING: ORIGINS" where everything is gone through with in-depth detail either though.
>>735573834This anon is absolutely correct, it's monster hunter. The Games used to be as simple as "there is a big fucking monster that wants to eat the village. Go hunt it, noob" so you prepare , venture out, kill it , come back home and celebrate with booze and food or a new sword or a nap. A perfectly satisfying game loop.Now, they go for over overdramatic cinematic storylines with hamfisted preachy environmentalism themes and retarded stunted anime dialogue and you have to endure that shit for upward of 15 hours >We have to save all of nature by killing all the monsters in their natural habitat!! Ad nauseam
>>735572696I disagree. The story of the game (not counting 2) is "the story doesn't matter. Go retry runs til you're a perfect killing machine, here's some dope music". I mean shit, you kill the devs at the end of if.2 tries to have more of a story, and I'm in the minority that it was bad. It just didn't add to the real point of the game, which is the gameplay. IMO it was 'disconnected' not 'bad'. Having the Ruskies win the cold war and following a mob leader with daddy issues and some vets is an awesome concept. But no story matters when the game is really about " you missed, try again loser. Here, listen to this it'll make it sting less"
>>735577285>the equal dragon weaponMy man, let me introduce you to Ahtal-Ka, a Mantis monster that pulls together scrap to make a giant mechadragon>>735577850Story was the worst thing to ever happen to monster hunter
>>735572210Destiny
>>735574373tranny
>>735579352>you want to stick your penis into a vagina? trannyInteresting.
>>735579526you can’t claim that by turning it inside out and shoving it inside yourself.
>>735572210Sonic
>>735579554>you want to stick your biological male penis into a biological female vagina of another person? trannyInteresting.
>>735572210Mass Effect after 1
>>735572210Metroid has been ass since mercury whatever the fuck begun fucking with the canon. now raven beak is the supposed overarching villain and surrogate of Samus ala darth vader. that's some retarded ass shit
>>735577436Reminds me of the later Terminator movies.What fucking studio exec thought it was a good idea to have Arnold fucking Schwarzenegger sit there and meticulously explain through his garbled accent the mechanics of fictional fucking time travel? God I'm still pissed.
>ctrl+f >no god of war
>>735579654Idk what you’re going on about but only trannies play ffxiv
>>735579831Well you should have just come out with that first instead of leading me on like you had a thought in that head of yours.
>>735579934tranny
>>735572305But there is still a very high interprative freedom of Souls games.
>>735577436You mean the moment they started to write books and draw comics, so around early 90s?
Metal Gear Solid 4. Every single plot resolution was truly terrible.>>735572210Ironically, this isn't true. Even the original Alien has lore, by way of the Space Trucker. It makes you wonder why it contained eggs for these horrible creatures, where it was going, and of course, what alien civilization the Trucker might be from.
>>735573662Alien prequels are load of shit who came from a superior project who was cancelled called "Alien Engineers", read the plot for it and you will see that both Prometheus and Covenant are a literal crime. Also they countains forced blacked propaganda in both movies.3 and resurrection are better than these two feces.
>>735572210Final Fantasy 14 There's no intrigue left in the game's world, anything and everything goes back to "the ancients did it".
>>735580264yet you’re still subbed tranny
>>735572210Did he miss the beginning of Alien? It also establishes a mythology. The movie doesn't start up with there already being an alien and it's killing them, there's a whole long ass sequence dedicated to telling us who these people are and that they discovered a mysterious space ship. Not to mention the whole plotline with the android that ties into there being forces at play besides just the alien trying to kill them.I don't know who this person is, but I wish a chestburster on them. Not defending the newer Alien movies, just find this reductive bullshit dishonest as fuck and a bad way to make whatever point he was going for
>>735580370I haven't been since July of last year, also proudly made it out with my cock.
>>735580241Prometheus was great, Covenant is a mystery how it was allowed Surprisingly the recent tv series was pretty good, albeit it not containing much alien.
>>735573834I think they jumped the shark with monster designs at a point, where it becomes impossible to not start asking questions. Valstrax, the jet engine dragon, for one.>>735574373FF killed the magic for me with all the real world product placement stuff.
>>735580574based
>completely ignore any and all prequel canon>instead do your own thing and refuse to elaborate on any of itPure kino. Sad we never got an expansion, but maybe we'll get a sequel one day.
>>735581059>doesn't make sense>goes against established canon Trash.
>>735581207>goes against established canonWhat part exactly?
Ratchet and clank
>>735573323Halo didn't become convoluted bullshit trying to explain every little thing until 343 took it over, the Bungie games were content to let most of the big mysteries remain mysteries, nobody in the setting actually knows what the fuck is going on with the Forerunners and the Flood because everyone involved died thousands upon thousands of years go and the AIs they left behind seem to have a tendency to go loopy.
>FB_IMG_1774096167804.jpg>twitter screencap>worthless engagement bait question>80+ replies
>>735580010no, when it was part of the MAIN franchise. in the 90's, supplemental material was just that, extra fluff. comics, cartoons, made up fucking blurbs on the back of action figure packaging.Now we have disney retroactively granting star wars comics credence by saying "we don't consider them canon anymore", and putting out movies called "dr. strange 2" that tell the viewer "what, you didn't watch wandavision? who the fuck do you think you are seeing our movies without watching the TV shows?"
>>735581310that's just a fat bitch image filenameonly fat bitches complain about it, you chubby whiner
>>735572210Metal gear sollidO ly metal gear solid 1 is canon in my mind.Inb4 what abiut metal gear 1 & 2 shut up sweeb
The problem with the Alien series was Ripley. If she was secluded to the first film only then it would have been fine.But they turned the series into "The whacky adventures of the Ripley lineage and their encounters with Aliens", then people shit on 3 because >muh main character. And dumbass writers don't know how to make an alien film without >muh main character, so they come up with the most pants on head retarded plot just to bring her back.So video games that are similar would be dead rising. >le heckin covered wars y'know xd!!!!
>>735580778Dragons are a bit different, they have always been the "we don't know how the FUCK this works or even exists" category.
>>735572671This, final answer. It's insane to me that they nailed 'Doom' with 2016 and then Eternal and Dark Ages did the literal exact opposite. Eternal and Dark Ages were the types of games 2016 was mocking.
Dead Space would be a lot cooler if they barely talked about the origins of the markers
>>735577261I'm still autistically enraged that they started calling him le doomslayer.Nigga his name was DOOMGUY. That was a perfectly good name and they only changed it because they're a bunch of faggy tourists who never played the originals despite the fact you can get them to run on literally anything with a screen.
>>735573662Nobody said they’re too complicated retard the point is not every small detail needs to be expanded on for the sole purpose of creating some larger expanded universe that siphons money from tasteless saps that see “thing I know.” What a pitiful attempt to put yourself on some pedestal on an anonymous image board lol.
>>735582587>not every small detail needs to be expanded on for the sole purpose of creating some larger expanded universeThis is not a thing in Alien, the franchise you're seething over is Star Wars.
>>735572671Absolutely this. You really don’t need much backstory for this series, and any backstory applied (thus far, anyway) has been shockingly poor. Do we really need the Doom Marine to be anything more than a human marine who hates demons? Does he need to be an ancient all powerful messianic figure with a divine legacy?
>>735575801Doom 2016 had a story, but the entire point is that you were a marine and you kill the demons, while some faggot tries to espouse a story that the Doomguy not only doesn't give a shit about, but actively sabotages the telling of so he can go back and kill demons.
>>735573804Good answer good answer!
>>735582065Sure, but there is a big gap between Kirin's "we wanted this mythical creature in our game" to the absolute insanity of Frontier's spikes-on-spikes orbiting fireballs MMO designs.
>>735577261>No offense, but I think 2016 started being shit with all the "le Doom SLAYAH doesn't care!"It was fine for the game, it was a tolerable joke. It was a nice spit in the face of lorefaggotry that fit the time it came out because that shit was everywhere. In games. In movies. In shows. Everything needed to be some deep-dive loreshit.But when they doubled down on it in Eternal it stopped being a joke and became a characterization.
>>735581284No, the problem with Ratchet and Clank isn't lore, it's Pixarfication.The lombax loreshit wouldn't be an issue if Ratchet was still a smug shittalker instead of a fucking boyscout.
>>735572210PokemonI want to travel around !not Japan with my monster buddies and see if I'm a bad enough dude to take on the Elite 4. That's it. I don't need Pokegods or time travel or some save the world from being dominated by Saturday morning cartoon villains plot.I almost wrote Danganronpa, but that franchise is the opposite of what the OP twitter post is saying.
>>735578357>>735577850>The FIRST monster hunter had a full subplot about fatalis being a world ending catastrophe that comes to take vengeance on humanity foretold by prophecy and told to you by NPCs. That shit was always there. Capcom's storytelling simply got stupider and more obnoxious.
