>>735572867
40 year old incels really be like let me bring up shit that has been irrelevant for 25 years, day after day

>>735572867
They haven't created a truly landmark banger FF game in a long long long time, so the fanbase just keeps getting older.
They really should just pay Taro to go completely bananas with a numbered FF game to get people talking about the franchise again.

>>735572974
Trvth nvke

>>735572867
Only pitiable fools who still love what FF USED TO BE are buying these awful games... Sakaguchi (and Uematsu) left in the early 2000's and FF has been completely soulless ever since. I'm 40 and haven't bought a FF game since 13. X-2 sucked, but I forgave it, 12 (and Crystal Chronicles) sucked so I gave them one more chance, but FF13 was the last straw. That game was so pretentious and stupid and soulless I couldn't entertain this series any longer. The last FF was a fucking action game, that's how far gone this series is now. There are now more spin-offs, MMOs, and mobile games that actual goid, heartfelt, intelligent, prestigious FF games. That's just sad. But not as sad as these idiots my age who are still buying these games.

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>>735572867
Chasing trends
Not learning from mistakes
Abandoned what made them a success
Falling for memes and too desperate to appeal to anyone other than within their own fan base

>>735572867
>Don't make new games
>When you do, they’re mid
>When you don’t, shitty ports of 2D games for $30
>Release remake of your magnum opus in piecemeal fashion
>anyone with self control will wait for the complete edition and see if the third entry shits the bed

The idea that every FF game needs to be a technical marvel that can (and does) bankrupt the company is insane

>>735572867
How do they know that? Does the game ask your age before playing? How do they data collect?

>>735572867
>Make remake
>Can't play it without knowing the original
So many stupid decisions with this game

>>735572867
>every game since the ps2 gen has been dog shit
>new games take 6+ years to come out
Maybe don't spend 10 years making a trilogy of a remake of a game no one under 30 gives a fuck?
Rebirth should've been one game

>>735572867
>>735572974
The entire remake trilogy will be forgotten after a month when it's finally done, doomed to only be discussed by the obsessive nohopers who cling to this IP due to an unhealthy attachment to the characters. The world will move on, but this dwindling group of autistic balding millennials will still insist the trilogy was a phenomenal success and continue discussing it like the shit movie that came out 20 years ago that nobody but them cares about.
tl;dr: The OG will continue to be a classic, the remake trilogy will be tossed on the garbage pile like all other compilation trash.

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>>735572867
not really surprising.

>>735572867
Temu bootleg DMC with woke garbage

>>735572867
Final Fantasy has the same problem Star Wars have. Only gen xers and millennials pour money into them.

>>735574489
already happening

>make a game that banks on nostalgia
>it attracts old people
no shit

I was going to buy part 1 and 2 since they're on sale but they're 100gb each.

>>735572867
>remake of a 30 year old game attracts some 30 year olds

who stop the press

>>735572867
>Final Fantasy is for middle aged people
That's not just a Final Fantasy problem, that's the whole industry.

>>735572867
More like SE is fucked as a company.
They haven't made any good games in ages.

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>ff15 was my first ff game
>got bored of walking around
>tried the ff16 demo, impressive how they're a decade apart
>combat felt boring
now i'm trying to stop myself from playing rebirth

>>735572867
zoomers and gen alpha are fucktards and will be mercilessly mocked by their children who will be much less vaccinated.

>>735574489
>forgotten after a month when it's finally done, doomed to only be discussed by the obsessive nohopers who cling to this IP due to an unhealthy attachment to the characters
That has been FF for ages now. The series is reliant on a mediocre MMO to stay relevant among older fans, and we're at a point where gachas are absorbing the potential audience for any of SE's single player games. Younger generations are only interested in mobile games and Fortnite. The idea of buying games is absurd to them. High profile JRPGs are over.

>>735573974
id say avoid anything after 15 that isnt a spin off lol
or ff7 remake 1

>>735572867
They wasted an entire generation on the XIII trilogy.

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Is there a Jrpg series under 30s actually play?

I bet the player base for Persona and trails games are the same age.

>>735572867
>poorly remake a portion of a game from 1997
>the people who play it are old
WHAT???? EEEEH?

>>735577831
Not really. Tbh I think most zoomers and alphas are just into garbage mobile shit, or competitive slop. It's over for single playing games, unless you a re a Nintendo kid, but even the "Nintendo kids" are now into their 30s, which is concerning.

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>>735574489
>>735572867
>>735573974

>>735578145
it's either gacha slop
competitive FPS/MOBA slop
or indie roguelike

>>735578256
If you want to ignore /v/ posters you dislike that's one thing but why ignore the words coming from SE itself? FF fanbase is getting old and young people aren't interested. Cover your eyes and ears when /v/ says it if that helps you cope but don't ignore the facts.

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What are some other series that old people love going back to over and over again? Dragon Quest? Star Wars?

>>735576680
>play modern slop
>surprised its actual slop

>>735572867
It's boomers like you that ruined it. Stop playing these games and let Square actually appeal to younger generations.

They got rid of Sakaguchi which lead to an exodus of other developers within the company. That giant braindrain was immediately felt post 12.

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>>735574489
>The entire remake trilogy will be forgotten after a month when it's finally done
Sure unc

>>735576680
>my first ff game
i really dont like sharing the internet with children

>>735579025
>compares review scores
>not sales

>>735578145
they're only interested in gaming as a social tool.
gachas indirectly fulfill this, genshin captured so many of them during covid that there's always a large group on twitter willing to discuss the latest update or post fanart. you would need a jrpg to build up a cult-like fandom and keep the artists going with yearly releases for 5+ years before anything similar happens.
trails is the closest any jrpg series in the past decade has gotten to this, only for its quality to go straight off a cliff.

>>735572867
They've spent nearly 20 years putting out bad games.

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>>735572867
xv and xvi were dogshit

>>735572867
Anal Fantasy was never good

>>735572867
Imagine running your series into the ground so bad that it misses multiple generations of customers. Lmao!

Simple, They kept ignoring the fanbase and abandoned their god-tier formula that was X and its combat system. They thought they would find success by making a god of war ripoff set in a generic euro-centric world.

X was the last god-tier game they made, XII was the last decent game they made.

>>735572867
>How did they fuck up so bad?
PS3 era.

>>735579303
>euro-centric world.

Maybe they should embrace their demographic then and make a turn based final fantasy about a person who recently has transferred from being a young adult to an adult who has to explore all their new responsibilities with family and parents dying

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Sorry, you fucked around for too long and lost it all. Throne's taken.

>>735579025
lmao I'm sure rebirth will be considered an essential beloved classic in 30 years. people barely give a shit about it today.

>>735579710
remake being split into three games released years apart from each other really fucked up its chances.

>>735574137
>The idea that every FF game needs to be a technical marvel
That's what FF has always been and why it's great. It's literally the only AAA Jrpg on the market.

>>735574248
When you are on Steam and consoles you have to input your age, if you don't do it then can't create an account and play games, so I assume when they collect the gameplay data they parse it with the verification age and come out with these results.

>>735572867
They just have to make the next game centered around Japanese school students and with an anime style and zoomers will eat that shit up

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>>735572867
Daily reminder FF7R is one of the best games Square has ever made.
And I know plenty of you retards play trash like Tales of series and Trails, so don't give me that bullshit that FF sucks when even the bad games are still leagues better than the majority of Jrpg's you retards play.

>>735583557
it's the best final fantasy game of the 21st century, but that's a very low bar to clear - 25+ years of dogshit games has pretty much destroyed all goodwill people had for Square Enix.

>>735583557
whats a valid criticism of 7r?

>>735574546
you can tell this person only plays XIV and hasnt actually played any of the older games

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>>735572867
>advertise games as a long form remake of most popular game you've ever made
>it's a theme park open world for subfranchise turbo fans with an incomprehensibly stupid story justifying it being multiple games
>don't attract any new players
>????
>get bought out by seaniggers
what were they thinking?

good
anime garbage needs to be expunged from this world

man the ba7ry test works a treat

>>735572867
Makes sense, I mean the average gaymer age is ~35 so it lines up

A franchise that didn't allow you to scan Selphie and see her pantsu doesn't deserve my money

Advent Children happened. After that, Square became obsessed with making a game that plays like a flashy cutscene.

>>735572867
It all started with FF11. People realized that they weren't going to just continue to reinvent the combat system. Then when 12 came out, peoples fears were realized, they essentially made an offline MMO combat system that was designed to let it play itself. Not to mention they were becoming worse and worse about how they presented the world. When 13 hit and it was more simplified shit, the majority had already given up on it. 14 being another MMO, with the same ideas as 11 was just the diarrhea icing on the shit cake. The side games from 13 and "another 13" from Nomura becoming 15 was the final straw for even the most hardcore, nothing about the series as people wanted it to become was ever coming back.

>>735579064
The gap between FFXV and today is almost as long as the gap between FFVII and FFXIII.

>>735584117
if you think I'm going to let you say anything bad about advent children you are sorely mistaken

blackpill incoming

this is the agegroup for most singleplayer games, gen z are stuck in their perma GaaS games and millenials and older are carrying the vidya industry

>>735572867
lmao, make a spastic action game for dying boomers, nice one SE.

>>735584123
12 unironically has the best exploration in the series but there's fuck all to do in it besides the puzzle fights

>>735584198
Advent Children was always dogshit you Nomura cumslurper

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>>735584205
>and millenials and older are carrying the vidya industry
I don't think so, Tim.

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What these giant game companies never seem to understand is if you go back and cannibalise your old entries you’re telling the audience that anything that is good and worthwhile is in the past. Final Fantasy VII is important and worthwhile, but not Final Fantasy XI.

>>735584205
This wouldn't surprise me in the least.

>>735584243
advent children is what compilationfags wanted and they got it (even more so with the AC Complete directors cut), in spite of OG FF7 fans who hate everything ever made based on the game.
Think again, why should the company appease to a dozen purists who will simply turrn around and say "Thanks I hate it" for everything they do, when they got a massive Kingdom Hearts fandom who will pay for anything with Cloud's face on it?
some people hate the compilation so much they want to de-canonize it through sheer force of wishful thinking and go full XV-kun on every 7R thread to profess their love for Sakaguchi and whine that people keep "defending" 7R, CC and every other compilation thing.

why should I say why I like advent children anyway? anything I say about it will be invalidated because muh taste. consider the plot here: it puts an effort to build upon the orriginal and doesn't merely reeenact the game's events. this by itself is a good thing for me, because I'm a compilationfag who wants to see the VII canon grow into an autism multiverse.
then all it takes for you is to say "nope, the extended universe is shit so it sucks". what was achieved in this discussion? did I fail to "prove" the film is good, then? iff you engage anyone who likes the thing expecting them to scientifically justify and legally prove their taste with airtight evidence, you ain't neutral for shit.

>I'm gonna like the good stuff and call out the bad stuff. but don't you dare "defend" it!

>>735584205
Can you name some things you dislike about the VIIR games? And are you ok with seeing others saying anything critical of them whatsoever?

Kids aren't playing other anime jrpgs like Trails though so what do they actually want?

>>735572867
As opposed to what? Star wars and Star trek? Marvel?
Is any old franchise actually surviving modern slopification of the media?

>>735584205
I'm like this and my life feels so empty now that I force quit every dark pattern game. I larp as retro gamer now, but every time I start an older game, I instantly want to quit it. I don't have any other hobbies and I literally can't go back to those mtx, bp, p2w, p2p games anymore. I lost everything that was fun...

How can I fix gayming for me? I want to have fun again, I wish Linux never red pilled me, because that ultimately led to this "fuck Kernel Malware Games" and fuck dark pattern games... I would give everything to be blue pilled again

>>735584614
People are playing fucking SMT of all things. The bar has never been lower and SE can't reach it.

>>735584697
>People are playing fucking SMT of all things.
Lol no they're not. Those games sell even less than FF. And no Persona is SMT (anymore).

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What Is The BA7RY Test?

Firstly, who is Barry? Barry is a XV fan who combs 4chan for posts criticizing XV to reply to. In his mind, every criticism of XV is wrong, no matter how big, small, reasonable or unreasonable. It's all wrong, and he will set you straight on that matter.
Unfortunately, FFVIIR has its own Barry, named BA7RY, who acts in the same way. He's hard to miss. Do you suspect he's ITT? Then apply the BA7RY test. It's simple!

Just ask him: "What would be a valid criticism of VIIR?"

Barry would never criticize XV, even slightly. And BA7RY will never criticize VIIR either. This simple test lets you know if you're talking to a reasonable person who is capable of discussion, or a wall of fanboy autism who will never give an inch and is only here to tell you that you're wrong wrong wrong!
If your anon replies reasonably, he passes the BA7RY test. If he immediately chimps out and starts screaming about boogymen, BINGO! That's a BA7RY! After all, Barry's favourite tactic was to call everyone Nathan. Because only one person ever called out Barry, right?
Try it yourself!

>>735584789
Persona is SMT.
Zero budget astroturfed memory holed not-Persona is SMT.
It's all fucking SMT and it's mogging SE. There is no recovering from this.

>>735584825
Thank you for this.
So would it be fair to assume >>735583557 is Ba7ry?

>>735584825
I just doomscrolled for 1h and I can't bring myself to read all that, I'm sorry bro. I'm fried. Formatting and picrel doesn't look too inviting either

>>735583557
Tales and Trails both have better gameplay than modern FF games.

>>735584972
>Persona is SMT.
No it isnt.

>>735585012
It's very possible. But my money is on >>735584205
We'll see if either of them even tries to pass the test. So far they seem to be incapable.

>>735572974
you shouldn't openly brag about being a slave to tiktok trends. it's not the own you think it is

>>735576214
/thread

>>735584205
probably true. every zoomer at work that i talk to about games are just playing gachas and nothing else

>>735584825
I want you to know that of all my posts that have infuriated him over the years, nothing has ever come close to how angry this one makes him. Because it's true, and it works. Everything else he'll reply to multiple times to seethe and fume and bitch but not this one. He tries his best to bury this every time and won't reply to anything that mentions it. So thank you for helping to get the message out there.
>>735585064
Really? I've never known the difference but thought they were the one series.
>>735585170
Is this your new thing? It's pretty lame.

>>735572867
>the only people playing the remake are the people that played the original

hmmm this is so confusing ... hmmm what's ... going on

>>735572867
>How did they fuck up so bad?
Trilogies. It first began with Fabula Nova Crystallis, which was originally planned to be the trilogy of XIII, Versus XIII, and Type-0. Nomura fucked Versus XIII up, so XIII eventually became its own shitty trilogy while Versus XIII eventually became XV, which is a trilogy of Final Fantasy media (movie, anime, video game) that later released a trilogy of absolutely required DLCs (Gladio, Prompto, Ignis). This barrage of shitty trilogies, for some strange reason, gave Square Enix the gall to also turn the Final Fantasy VII Remake into yet another trilogy.

Final Fantasy went downhill as soon as it became a series of trilogies. XVI is the only game since XII that is not part of some bullshit trilogy. Coincidentally, it is also the best Final Fantasy game since XII, but that's not saying much.

Do you think Nomura and Kitase will tell everyone part 3 is the perfect place for new players to begin just like they said with rebirth? A blatant lie but it might have gotten then 10 extra sales so I can see them trying it again.

>>735572867
after 12 they had 20 years to fix their shit

the only truly great FF games are the spinoffs
no I will not elaborate

>>735582776
Yeah, it’s to JRPGs what Resident Evil is to horror games.

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>>735584972
Anything faglus not named P5 sells like shit. You being an obsessed faglus cult member doesn't change reality.

>>735582776
FF was literally always behind in tech.
What you are thinking as diapershitting ps1 baby is that they pushed nongameplay prerendered CGI movie files for you to shit your diaper to.

>>735584789
Kids aren't even playing SMT. They know Joker more from collabs. They didn't even come out for Metaphor. Most kids are playing gachas, Pokemon, Fortnie and Roblox. They like anime but they don't want to play a single player rpg with a definitive ending. They need constant new content and a way to socialize or they get bored.

>>735572974
>40 year old incels really be like let me bring up shit that has been irrelevant for 25 years, day after day
It's literally one guy. He usually shotguns about a dozen Final Fantasy and Square Enix threads onto /v/ in the morning, then he'll do another round in the mid afternoon (now), then he'll do another round at night, and he does this every single day, multiple times per day.

>>735572867
Clear demostration that:

1) They could have done a +18 game and not this Woke/DEI disney-sh crapfest.
2) They was targetting the "fans" for easy money and not trying on drawing more people as possible.

I don't expect that Part 3 will save this thing, for it's already in FUBAR state. I will buy it, after it get discounted, just to see how much fucked the entire thing is going to be and to end up.

To not mention that going around saying: "The Part 3 will be the most beautiful part it has been seen in the history of Videogame", when you already screwed up big time the rest of the game, is the most suicidal affermation you can do at this point.

>>735584697
They’re not playing SMT lmao, they’re stuck to Persona, and the Persona series has long eclipsed SMT to the point people would think you’re not right in the head if you call it a spinoff.

And even the “playing” part is debatabke as a significant portion of the fanbase has admitted that they just watched gameplay vids.

why don't they make chrono break

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remaking FF VII into a trilogy that would be completed in a decade is the most demonstrably greedy and retarded thing a company has ever done.

>beg for 10 years for a remake
>we do it but we will slow feed you for a decade

fuck this company.

>>735584825
It's literally one guy. He usually shotguns about a dozen Final Fantasy and Square Enix threads onto /v/ in the morning, then he'll do another round in the mid afternoon (now), then he'll do another round at night, and he does this every single day, multiple times per day.

>>735586238
It’s just 7 years bro. Remake released on 2020. Deltarune will be the game that’ll take a decade to complete at this rate.

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>>735586187
>2) They was targetting the "fans" for easy money and not trying on drawing more people as possible.
Holy fucking brown.

Anyway, they *were* trying to draw in as many new people as possible. That's why that added time jannies to the game, so that it would be "fresh" for new fans and old fans alike. That's also why that chose to make it impossible to transfer save data from one game to the next; it's so that new players don't feel left out when they choose to play Rebirth as their very first Final Fantasy VII game.

>"b-b-but who would play Rebirth as their very first Final Fantasy VII game?"
If the devs had their way, everyone. This was done because they want to bring in as many new people as possible.

>>735583025
I don't think Steam is selling age data, and probably neither are the rest of the storefronts, so this is probably just survey data.

>>735586307
>Remake released on 2020.
it was announced in 2016

>>735586307
>Deltarune will be the game that’ll take a decade to complete at this rate.
Excellent deflection. I couldn't have done it better myself.

>>735572867
Zoomers only play the latest serviceslop. Single player games in general are dying other than nintendo

>>735586403
And? Cyberpunk was announced in 2012 and wasn’t released in a playable state until 2023.

>>735586358
Lol. Lmao even

>>735586279
You're not wrong, but why did you copy paste my post?

>last great game in the franchise came out in 2001
They're lucky it's not 40 or over

Also frankly they completely and totally fucked up by turning the Remake trilogy into a masturbatory ode to the original game that assumes you've already played it and remember intricate story details. I'm not necessarily saying they should have just done a straight remake but the plot is completely impenetrable to a newcomer.

>>735583557
ITS A FUCKING FINAL FANTASY SERIES.
Nobody fell in love with it because of its gameplay you fucking faggot.

>>735572867
>How did they fuck up so bad?
XIII happened and Sakaguchi leaving. XI was at least produced by him and XII had the decency of being directed by Matsuno before he left the project. Everything went downhill after XIII.

>>735586493
>And? Cyberpunk was announced in 2012
And? Witcher 3 was released in 2015.

>>735586661
>that assumes you've already played it and remember intricate story details
WRONG. See this image: >>735586324

The Remake series is the perfect way to begin your Final Fantasy VII journey. In fact, Rebirth might be a better starting point than Remake. It might even be possible that Part 3 will be the best place for any newcomer to Final Fantasy VII to begin their journey.

>>735572867
Shareholders took control of everything which is why everything sucks right now

Why make a great new experience when nostalgia and chasing trends pleases the shareholders more?

We live in a dark age of societal progress.

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>>735572867
>Who cares if it's not a 1 to 1 remake, we get to see more of the characters!
>Who cares if the pacing is horrendous, we get to see more of the characters!
>Who cares if the game is bloated with filler and shitty minigames, we get to see more of the characters!
>Who cares if there's a bunch of retcons, we get to see more of the characters!
>Who cares if the writing is complete shit, we get to see more of the characters!
>Who cares that they keep butchering all of the memorable/iconic scenes, we get to see more of the characters!
>Who cares that it's actually a sequel and that they called it a remake knowing everyone wanted and waited for a remake and not a sequel, we get to see more of the characters!
>Who cares that it's split into 3 parts and that you have to pay full price (and buy a new console) for every part, we get to see more of the characters!
>Who cares that they made Red XIII sound like a complete faggot, we get to see more of him!
>Who cares that they completely ruined Cid and that him and Vincent aren't playable, we get to see more of them!
>Who cares that they completely massacred Aerith's death (arguably the most iconic death in video game history), we get to see more of her now!
>Who cares that Sephiroth lacks everything that made him loved and iconic, we get to see him nonstop now!
>Who cares if the boss fights are discount mmo raids, we get to see more of the characters!
>Who cares that this killed the chances of us getting proper FF remakes ever again, we get to see more of the characters!

This is what faggots that defend the demake sound like

>>735586672
>Rebirth seether confirming he just wants to watch youtube
Every time.

>>735585170
>LOL ZOOMERS KEEP OBSESSING WITH OUT CULTURE LOL WHAT A BUNCH OF LOSERS
>LOL ZOOMERS ARE MAKING THEIR OWN CULTURE SO CRINGE THE NARWHAL BACONS AT MIDNIGHT LE TROLLFACE!!!
why are your kind always like this

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>>735572867
They stuck to turn-based combat for way longer than they should have. Only boomers and browns like that shit.

>>735586757
>Rebirth might be a better starting point than Remake
According to Kitase and Nomura, it's the perfect place for newcomers

>>735586787
because they, like many repeating the generational cycle, also got bullied for the generation they were born in and now project that pent up frustration onto those after them. Generational wars are the most retarded thing ever

>>735586740
And they released FFXV in 2016 after announcing VIIR in 2015. What’s your point?

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>>735586773
In an interesting turn of events, it might be Activision Blizzard who are responsible.

>>735586465
Zoomers use social media to socialize with others and algorithms work best with live service because its always updating. They don't like to play single player games if there's little reward for it. They want to play what everyone else is playing, either a game they can play with friends or something they can post online. That's why with visual novels you see a lot of zoomers admitting they don't play the game, but they want to post about the characters or buy figures for the "aesthetic". They need constant dopamine and a single player game that takes time to finish and what might not even be relevant online anymore when they do isn't worth it to them. They need to be part of the experience, so it's gacha and live service slop like Fortnite.

>>735572867
Honestly it really just fucked up in the way that the majority of games have: Way too long production cycles. If maybe 1 out of every 4 or so final fantasy games is actually particularly good, it will still take roughly 25 years between good games at this rate. You could be born, grow up and become an adult all between releases of final fantasy games that don't fucking blow.
Besides that, they have been this really weird combination of way too safe, and not actually understanding what people really want.

>>735586785
What the fuck? IN what way I am implying that I like the fucking stillbirth for calling out faggot who like remake as a fucking GAME???

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>>735572867

That's not a trait unique to Final Fantasy you know. Gamers as a group are simply MUCH older than you think they are. The average age of gamers is 37, across all games.

If they’re smart, they’d use Remake and Rebirth’s combat as the basis for future mainline games instead of going full retard and reinventing everything all over again. That’s the reason why we’re only down to getting one mainline game each console generation.

>>735586998
Try that one again, Pedro.

>>735586279
>>735586578
>>735584825
Question, do they not have jobs? How are these schizos so committed throughout all hours of the day on 4ch.
>>735584643
Simply consider having other hobbies or past times, I like to read manga and light novels and eroge. I like watching anime. I like building model kits. When I'm not in the mode to play a jrpg or something I do one of those instead. Also I dunno how long ago you quit but give it time, it genuinely may take a year or two for you to readjust because that's how hard "dark pattern" games rape your brain. Also stay away from social media, yes 4chan can be just as addictive but it's probably the least algorithmic advert spam attention span frier site of the bunch.

>>735572867
ok zoomers, why do you hate final fantasy? I won't judge, just tell me.

>>735587392
>Question, do they not have jobs?
If they do, it's WFH.

>>735585095
>It's very possible. But my money is on >>735584205
What makes you think this is him? This seems like a rather benign post that seems to be the truth. Zoomers seem only to care about games where they can participate in active online discussion (GaaS, gacha, etc) and they don't care about single player games unless they're extremely fotm and break into online pop culture (ex: e33)

>>735572867
Funny how Dragon Quest is more relevant

>>735587863
E33 has already been forgotten. People still talk about Aerith and Tifa even after 30 years but do you honestly see the same happening to Lune and Sciel?

>>735587863
Because he has yet to answer >>735584579 which means he's failed the test. I'd be happy to be proved wrong however.

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>>735583557
The moment I saw Tifa I knew it was fucked.

>>735588194
I lost billions to this one…

>>735588039
>E33 has already been forgotten.
Yeah, that's kind of my point. The only single player, non-GaaS that zoomers seem to care about are ones that have EXTREME fotm popularity to the point they break into online pop culture, such as E33.
>People still talk about Aerith and Tifa even after 30 years
Well, it's the same retards who have been having the same conversation for 30 years, so that doesn't really mean anything, but you are correct, they are dedicated to their craft.
>do you honestly see the same happening to Lune and Sciel?
Nope, and I never attempted to make that argument. Lune is clearly the winner, Sciel is literally just used goods who has dead baby baggage and might still be married to a guy who is or isn't alive (I don't remember) and she's not even cute and doesn't have bare feet. It's no contest whatsoever, but also the romance is shoehorned in and doesn't feel natural and actually gives a bit of a cuck vibe, because it only starts happening once Gustave gets replaced by Verso, but I digress. You talking about how we have all collectively moved on from the video game that bought every single award and is the single most reviewed (and highest reviewed) video game of all time proves my point exactly.

>>735572867
7 year gap between 13 and 15.
7 year gap between 15 and 16.
Good luck building a fanbase when these long release times.
Even bethesda got better release schedule.
2012 - skyrim
2015 - fallout 4
2018 - fallout 76
2023 - starfield

>>735588102
>Because he has yet to answer >>735584579 which means he's failed the test. I'd be happy to be proved wrong however.
You might have a point. If that's the guy who replied to my post, then he is so uppity that he misunderstood what I was saying just so that he could use it as a platform to say that Aerith and Tifa are better than Lune and Sciel.

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I think, when the remake is done, it won’t be looked back on fondly by anyone, not even Square
Making it a trilogy, across almost 12 years, was a terrible decision to take this project
In many ways, the 7R project was a bad company decision much like Fabula Nova Crystallis project was.

>>735572867
It's hilarious that this company is the only one stuck in Jap dev hell from late 00's

>>735582776
this hasn't been true since FFX

>>735588476
Why the fuck did it get formatted like a Word document lmao

My point still stands

>>735586851
>And they released FFXV in 2016 after announcing VIIR in 2015. What’s your point?
literally no one that cares about 7 remake cared about XV. On the other hand Cyberpunk was not even a concept at that point just a title. no one was thirsty for CD project games in 2015.

>>735584198
it works as an action movie not as a game

>>735582776
only thing i care about is the cgi cutscenes by visual works, that team is goated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrYsAKMkXjU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYH2HY-9Tuc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTbV_zwCm6c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1ZrFS0HKN8

>>735574248
they just guess. yes really. thats what most "data" is

>>735572867
Isnt roblox the number 1 game for zoomers?

>>735574248
>>735588921
Square enix does surveys sometimes ,i know because i did one where they were seeking lots of opinions about their ff and other ips. I remember using my square enix account for it and i remember responding it was annoying as fuck how long it took for a new original ff mainline game to be made whilst other franchises does not have that problem.
Just look at resident evil,monster hunter,ubislop,cod etc etc

>>735586803
Wrong. E33.

>>735588476
Individual games will have their fans years after, but that's it. You already have people who readily accept turning it into a trilogy fucked everything up.

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>>735586803
>>735589151
Correct. Metaphor.

>>735572867
FF has the worse identity crisis of all gaming IPs not by design or intentionally.

>>735572867
Only way you can make this franchise appeal to the majority of zoomers is to turn it into a Fortnite type of experience. Sorry to have to be the one to tell you this, but Gen X and Millennials are the main ones that grew up on your franchise and continues to play it, and not we're not all even decrepit old farts yet with the oldest among Gen X merely being 61 years old right now.

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>uncs on /v/ don't realize that lil zooms don't play single-player games and think that this is exclusive to final fantasy
I get that a good chunk of you don't even talk to people your own age so it's unrealistic to expect you to know what kids are into, but kids do not play single-player games anymore. This has nothing to do with final fantasy. If they released 12 new final fantasy games in a row next week and they were the greatest game to ever be created, nobody under 30 would give a shit unless they were live service games. You know how when you were a kid, you'd ask your parents for a $50-60 game for your birthday so you could play the latest hit single-player game all of the kids at school were talking about? That doesn't happen anymore. Kids want robux for their birthday. They do not want a game you play through by yourself and then get to the end, that's unc shit for old people. The industry outside of live service games is completely fucked when these kids get older and become the largest consumer market.

>>735586787
sorry man, i'll let you eat your tidepods in peace

>>735588476
Regardless of what happens it will be defended to the death by people who would have loved it no matter what. All they want is more time with the characters. It doesn't matter if it's tedious, boring, nonsensical, badly written, insulting to their intelligence, utter trash. They could make a 100 hour game set in Seventh Heaven and they'd like it, because they get more time with the characters. At some point fans like them became obsessed with the characters, but don't actually care about the story or the game they're in.
Is AC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is BC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is CC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is DC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is 7R good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.

>>735589395
but they made a ff7 fortnite clone and nobody gave a shit, even with paid shilling from their "ambassadors" who had to pretend to love it
EOSd within a year.

>>735590052
Mobile only TPS was a retarded decision. I might have played it a couple times if it were on Steam.

>>735589575
>and then get to the end
That's the difference. They're big on gachas, most of which provide different flavors of the JRPG experience. But those games only finish arcs, not entire stories.

>>735590173
Same. It would give us more time with the characters, so I'd probably like it.

>>735573974
my biggest gaming regret was buying a ps5 for rebirth and 16
i fucking loved remake, but rebirth is shit, 16 is one of the worst games i've ever played and shouldn't even be called final fantasy just like 12 but at least 12 has some redeemable parts, the one good thing about 16 was the bahamut fight

>>735574489
/thread

>>735584825
Saved.

>>735590479
>It would give us more time with the characters
I don't even think there were any characters in it except for the literal who characters they added to Ever Crisis (and then subsequently Rebirth, with Glenn)

>>735590602
>16 is one of the worst games i've ever played and shouldn't even be called final fantasy
that happens when it's helmed by the 14 team.

>>735590889
Watch your tone. Those characters enhanced the lore and the worldbuilding of ff7.

>>735573548
>They really should just pay Taro to go completely bananas with a numbered FF game to get people talking about the franchise again.
The fact they took the success of Automata and had Taro do a fucking gacha afterwards says a lot about modern Square

>>735572867
games dont come out frequently enough, seriously how do you expect someone to be into ff when they esentially miss peoples childhoods

>>735588476
Delusional. The 7R series has only increased in hype for each passing year, leading into a big PC launch of Rebirth (ten times as big as Remake's PC launch) and a huge launch on the Switch 2 recently of what is now a 5+ year old game. When part 3 comes out on all platforms at once it will be one of the biggest gaming moments of the year - a LOT of people have trickled into these games in the past few years thanks to them staying relevant by being ongoing.

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>>735572867
Umm sweaties, part 3 is still coming, right?

>>735572867
Should have made the FF7 remake on PS3 for the 10th anniversary in 2007.

>>735588476
>In many ways, the 7R project was a bad company decision much like Fabula Nova Crystallis project was.
In many ways, they basically chose to make the same mistake twice.

>>735579580
This
Square Enix isn’t even top 5 RPG publishers anymore I’m pretty sure

>>735589575
this is so fucking grim but hey maybe this will make more lower budget AA games

>>735586045
I don’t know what that image is - it certainly isn’t revenue because Sega Sammy smoked SE

>>735591168
no. see >>735589575

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>>735591303
Correct. It seems like they never got over the prospect of an extended universe in Final Fantasy. They couldn’t do it with FNC, so they tried with 7R.

And if you look at what Nomira’s doing with Verum Rex in Kingdom Hearts, it’s very similar. No one in a position of creative authority has moved on. They’re stuck.

>>735572867
I still don't understand who this project was for.
A remake, but not actually a remake. A remake that wasn't actually a remake of a single game, but now it's three games. A remake that's not actually a remake of a single game, split into three games, and it plays nothing like the original.
So I guess the targeted audience was... nobody?

>>735573974
it's such a shame that people burned on old MMOs won't give FFXIV a chance. It's such a strong love letter to the rest of the franchise.

>>735591772
those games were able to completely take over because AAA ones took 7 years to come out

>>735591942
>I still don't understand who this project was for.
investors

>>735591965
What? Are you implying that people only play franchises or something? Like if a game comes out and it's not part of a specific AAA franchise then it doesn't exist?

>>735591942
ff7 is multiple disks

>>735591182
lmao your fanboy falseflagging used to be more believeable

>>735592045
Only because of the FMVs

>>735572867
most rpg fans didnt buy a PS5, they were either on nintendo or PC, considering how FF7Remake topped the charts on switch 2's store id say the same will probably be true for rebirth. Idk why theyve bothered putting them on Xbox though. The few people who owns Xboxs dont appreciate good 4 niggas in a row games

>>735592045
Thank you for your input.

>>735592045
Nice work

>>735591881
All we want from SE is more FF7 and KHs so its good that theyre "stuck"

>>735592130
What new games was it competing with on switch 2? Considering it only briefly outsold animal crossing it seems to have not been a busy week for new games

>>735591168
This.

They honestly need to have a game release every other year or so. It's definitely doable since Rebirth was made in 4 years, they just need to have 2 teams working on 4 year dev cycles.

>>735592041
yeah kinda

>>735592326
Listen, I'm just trying to make 7R sound like a huge success by any means possible. Don't ruin this for me.

>>735584825
I'm going to try this

>>735592483
That's more of a you thing.

>>735573548
While that’s true I’m pretty sure it applies to most RPGs and specially JRPGs. Not only FF but also DQ, Megaten, Tales, Trails, Xenoshit, etc. All roughly the same playerbase.

Modern JRPGs in particular are a hyper niche extremely shitty and archaic video game genre that appeals to a very specific generation of millennials that grew up with them in the late 1990s and early 2000s.

t. am a millennial that grew up with jrpgs but luckily for me I moved on.

>>735572867
Tifa porn is the only shit worth any value these days. Outside that nobody gives a shit about anything related to FF.

>>735592326
Nothing.
This was just "FFXVI is the fastest selling PS5 game" all over again.

One thing I like about modern JRPGs is the QOL and lack of missable content. It's frustrating going back and playing older titles these days.

>>735592620
not really I play a variety of games but the general "gamer" doesnt

>>735592883
What pre-existing franchise was roblox part of?

>>735592684
yeah that specific niche has been filled
an anon ages ago said back in the VHS era it was like getting a box set of anime episodes at a super discounted price and that vibes with me
JRPGs won that battle when streaming and basically thousands of hours of free anime or tens of thousands for a few bucks a month if you don't pirate weren't as prevalent. The main two things that keep me around is I'd rather PLAY an anime than watch one and anime has all but failed to properly penetrate high fantasy worlds and stories as well as JRPGs outside of a handful of exceptions.
It's also hard to justify spending $40-$60 on a new JRPG or even getting an old one on a steam sale for $10-$30 (and lol at zoomers playing old games) when Genshin Impact and others have a hundred hours of content for free regardless of the quality of that content.

>>735592916
a lot of roblox games are just cross over shit like fortnite

>>735572867
Most of the talent left the company
10+ years SDLC
Poor management
Butchered localization

>>735593053
lol they're really not. the idea that every boomer franchise is supposed to go on forever with no new games succeeding is dumb. the future is now old man, all of the most popular games with the kids are games you've never heard of. shit, even the games winning goty awards are games that aren't part of some old boomer franchise

>>735592731
And yet Rebirth is getting a sequel and Metaphor is not.

>>735593142
All the recent goty winners are boomer games.

E33 (jrpg) astro bot (3D platformer), BG3 (isometric RPG), Elden Ring (Fromsoft game)

Children dont play this shit. Gaming is an old person hobby now. Kids are quarantined to fortnite, roblox, cod and sports games.

>>735593258
>e33
what franchise is that from?

>>735578740
I really do think Star Wars is completely dead. Star Trek too.

>>735593298
One of the most critically acclaimed boomer franchises in history, the expedition franchise.

>>735592498
>>735593156
How sad. What drives you?

>>735593529
>what drives you

I know I'm getting a sequel.

>>735593258
Eh, I wasn't really playing WRPGs or games that looked ugly as fuck as a kid either. I would have skipped BG3 and ER for sure (BG1 was boring looking as fuck and I didn't touch it until I was an adult I was right)
Idk if I would have played E33, but I was playing JRPGs as early as 8, and not just pokemon and shit. It's a shame, my oldest nephew is a year older than I was when I started but he DOES play old remakes of games my sister buys him (like Crash Bandicoot and shit), but I cannot fathom him sitting down and enjoying turn-based combat or all that dialogue. He doesn't really read books on his own for fun like I did as a kid.

Not every franchise can be successful for 40+ years.

It's like expecting kids to care about Topcat

Loss of important people.
The original composer and director are what made Final Fantasy what it was. The director left after 9 and the composer left a a few games after. They didn't have good successors. Nomura specifically is the explanation for the faults of FF7's remake (the overly complicated, and more kiddy story)

>>735572867
>How did they fuck up so bad?

Advent Children

If they
-kept the games offline
-stopped censoring
-hired writers

They could turn this around in one entry

XVI was great because it did 2/3 of that

>>735593142
I have heard of Roblox and Minecraft, which are pretty much the only things they play.

Lets be real, zoomers aren't going to sit down and play turn based top down games with 4 niggas in a row like FF4 or FF5. They HAD to innovate to stay relevant.

>>735594001
HSR proves this wrong

>>735593989
yeah i'm sure all of the kids would drop roblox and play ff if that happened lmao

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>>735572867
>announce your money-printing project in 2015
>release it 5 years later
>it's only one part of who knows how many btw
>wait years beatween releases
>each installment flops harder than the previous one
top kekkk, squeenix deserve it for trying to milk their retarded fanbase to the bone.

>>735594126
what the fuck is HSR

>more anons finding out about the ba7ry test
Nice

>>735594198
Honkai Star Rail

>>735594001
they need a compelling story first and foremost, and 15 and 16 both seem like major stinkers.
People are very into E33, Persona, and even Deltarune.

>>735594145
It could literally never have been a success because modern games are shit. Modern engines are shit. Dev costs and dev times are too high. Honestly videogames as a medium are fucking dead.

>>735594139
"all the kids" didn't play it back then.
You're supposed to appeal to the audience of literate kids who like imagination and storytelling. Those kids will always exist. Not everyone is satisfied just doing the Fortnite dance, and never reaching beyond such frivolities.

>>735594253
15 should just be roadtrip adventures with the bros

>>735594359
>Those kids will always exist.
and they will always be a tiny minority compared to the kids who just play whatever is popular with their friends

>>735574407
>new games take 6+ years to come out
>FF12-2006. ff13-2009. FF14-2010. FF13-2-2011. FF13 Lightning Returns-2013. FF14 Relaunch-2013. FF15- 2016. FF7 Remake-2020. FF16-2023. FF7 Rebirth-2024. FF7 Part 3 2027.
Square enix has been releasing multiple large scale FF games within 2-4 years of each other since the early 2000s.

>>735594510
that was true then as well. Normal people play sports games, and shooters. You have to be a bit of a dork to play any kind of RPG.

zoomies dont care about anything that isnt live service multiplayer slop

>>735594704
They are playing RPGs, they're not just playing the traditional not-live service ones.

>>735594230
That's a porn game and its almost entirely played by bugs.

>>735579075
>compares review scores
>not sales
Yeah because comparing the sales of game out for nearly THREE DECADES to a game out for only 2 years would be retarded.

>>735594802
those aren't RPGs. They're ADHD skinner boxes with stats.
RPGs are about the story and the sense of adventure.

>>735584354
>posts GAAS
grim

>>735594863
>no wait that doesn't count!
cope

>>735579091
XV sold more than all those games.

>>735594802
If the game is live service, that is the genre. No need to pretend and put some real genre after it. You are here to pull the slot lever and goon. That is it.

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>>735572867
wow it's almost like having a single new entry every 10 years is going to make your fanbase grow on a single game or two unlike back in the 90s where kids had like 6 entries in those 10 years, making modern kids unable to get attached to the franchise because it doesn't produce any new games and they're already leaving college when the sequel to that game they played when they were 12 finally comes out.

>>735594906
okay, name five.
If it's just Gacha shit and "Steal a Brainrot", no. Those aren't RPGs.
"fuck around in this sandbox, and gather a thousand pieces of loot" isn't a narrative.

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>>735588194
>it was fucked because she doesn't look like how she's drawn in porn

>>735594986
Theres a new FF game every other year. Modern kids got roped in Epstein style by the casinos. They are slaves to the casino games now.

>>735594986
this plus the fact that japs animate characters as if they were aliens pretending to be human. they are shit a body language.

>>735595096
>japs animate characters as if they were aliens pretending to be human. they are shit a body language.
Go back and replay the ps1-2 FF games. They had this.

>>735594956
XV was more readily available for much cheaper

>>735572974
Oh, that's right, because FF7 was released on PC in 2001.
>>735576680
That's actually a pretty good Wolverine, ngl.
Next they should do is Cyclops, Havok, and Nightcrawler. Or Jean Grey, Gambit, and Rogue.

>>735594139
They play shit like Roblox and Fortnite because it’s free retard

If they charged 0$ yeah everyone would play it

>>735594802
Gacha players group a JRPG, a BOTW type game and a character action game together because the monetization is the actual appeal of the genre. JRPG players never gave two shits about Star Rail for a reason.

>>735576856
Zoomers, ironically, have the most potential out of any generation. Plus, they took the mrnas at a much lower rate than Millennials and other age brackets when you look at the demographics more objectively than anywhere else. They're the follow-up to the silent gen's parallel success.

>>735577831
Romancing Saga if you're serious. Suikoden II if you're a combat conoisseur.
But no. There's a reason why we Zoomers don't play as much JRPGs as opposed to Millennials because we know dogshit when we see it.

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>>735572867
In 10 years (1987-1997) we had 7 mainline games. We can barely get one or two new games in 10 years now.

Final Fantasy as a title just sounds gay as hell to zoomzooms.
"Why would I want to play a game that came out in the 70s? My dad played FF1 when he was a kid? ewww boomer alert
And theres like 20 games? And theyre all different stories? We like our marvel universe recurring characters around here
Zoomers dont like ATB or anime styles or sexualized women

Its dying and it will never recover

>>735594126
Honkai Star Rail is Mihoyo's auto game, bro. Most people let the game play itself

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>>735591942
Square Enix staff saw the Evangelion Rebuild movies and thought a "remake that's actually a reboot :^)" was the way to go (they fucked up)

>>735572867
Not their fault kids would rather play Roblox. Surely a Fortnite collab would revive the IP

>>735595027
these games do have stories.

>>735595559
doubt it.

>>735595626
why?

>>735595718
All anyone cares about doing is rolling for drops. No one ever talks about being engrossed in the narratives of these games.

>>735595774
k well there's nothing stopping you from looking up the cutscenes

>>735595937
Having a cutscene at the start of the game, doesn't make it an engrossing narrative.
By that logic, Mario is a great RPG. And I don't mean Mario RPG.

>>735596061
i have no idea why you refuse to take 5 seconds to google "[chink gacha game] story". what kind of autism is this

>>735596061
I am truly amazed that people as retarded as you exist.
Like really. It must be such a wonderful life to be so blissful ignorant of pretty much everything.

>>735596385
Explain the engrossing plot of your favourite gacha game to me, and I will decide if it's as riveting as Final Fantasy 7.