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>>735573569

>>735573569
Finished Nioh 1 in three weeks and it was worth 15 bucks but not more. Is Nioh 2 worth 35?

>>735573569
oh
that happened
is it on 50% sale yet?

Bosses are overtuned, I have to parry most attacks as samurai, ninja is even harder to play.

for those who completed the game: so was the open world necessary or well done?

>>735575538
Nioh 3 is like 3x of Nioh 1 so maybe? I don't think you need 3 weeks though. It has QoL now.

>>735575538
If you enjoy farming gear and trying different builds then hard yes. Otherwise just regular yes. Story is complete shit, except for the DLCs where it's passable, if you're into anime-esque stories.

>>735575750
the first map felt open world, other maps kinda smaller

>>735575750
there's shit all to do in it other than fight jailer onis and gakis over locks of hair

>>735575750
I didn't complete the game, barely even tried the demo but: no. Nioh and Nioh 2 had pretty shit level design, but the solution to that problem is not open world. But if you're fine with the mediocre maps in the old Niohs you're probably not going to care too much about it.

>>735575791
>>735575897
im asking about Nioh Two 2 dos
no I hate farming in Nioh 1 but maybe 2 has more than 5 enemies. I like trying out builds tho

>>735575750
It makes the world more believable instead of feeling like arcade game stages.

>>735576092
>no I hate farming in Nioh 1 but maybe 2 has more than 5 enemies. I like trying out builds tho
Trying out builds is great fun, and very streamlined so you can switch between them as well. Might take some grinding, as it's a bit expensive.

>More than 5 enemies
Yes, but it rehashes several from the first game AND, just like the first game, it keeps reusing them from pretty much the first stage all the way to the final one (until the DLCs, which add some new ones).

>>735576385
>it keeps reusing them from pretty much the first stage all the way to the final one
damn this is depressing and disappointing. I was told that Nioh 2 fixed enemy variety.
If I have to fight the same enemies I might as well play ng+ and try builds there, but I have Yoki fatigue.
Not to mention that in Nioh 1 builds felt extremely tedious to achieve. In soulsborne you can get materials and spells easy, in MH you actually have fun while grinding, but Nioh gets old real fast after you fight the same shit every single level

>>735576092
nioh 2 has much better enemy and stage variety
if you liked the first game you pretty much can't go wrong
I can't say the same for 3

>>735576714
well I'll try it I still want to try out a weapon or two in the end

>>735576714
Nioh 3 has more enemy variety but many of them come from 1&2. It's like monster hunter now.

>>735576142
bullshit
your actions in the world and character depth of the supporting cast has never been worse
it's also not more believable that enemy soldiers would not only keep indefinitely hanging around on a battle field after the battle is over, but also after their commander calls a retreat

>>735577562
I wish this was true most of the game is spent fight jailer onis and most of the new enemies aren't even used all that much
I actually thought the presence hiding omnyo magic wasn't even in the game until someone here told me it drops from ninja yoki, which I have killed maybe 2 of in the entire playthrough

>>735573569
Felt too easy, so I redownloaded Nioh 2 to check and yep, as I thought enemies hit twice as hard in Nioh 2 as they do in Nioh 3

>>735577671
They are bandits (whom were abandoned by the army) now.

>read through thread
>everyone bitching and moaning
Ah, guess there isn't enough AI generated content or brainless button mashing for you CD fans.

>>735578113
I just wanted the game not to be boringly simple. In Nioh 2 if you get hit by a human bandit you lose like half you hp at the start of the game, in Nioh 3 it's a love tap

>>735578113
Why are you even alive if all you do is posting retarded non-squinter bait?
You should do the world a favor and suck-start a shotgun

>>735573569
>driver update
>game crashing constantly now
fuck my life

>>735578532
>he updates drivers
not until my PC physically stands up on the desk and slams itself face first into a dogeza and begs me

>>735578457
seethe more bitch nigger
I'll keep enjoying actually good vidya while you enjoy slop

>>735573569
I really enjoyed it but it felt way too easy, almost the same issue as DD2 but I guess at least nioh 3 has reply value with NG+ and fable gear grind.

>>735575750
>so was the open world necessary or well done?
No and no.
In particular, I'm going to say it wasn't well done because most maps are just mission levels connected with eaxh other rather than true open world, and it's not necessary because there was literally nothing wrong with the mission system from previous games.
Mind you, what we got was less ubislop than rotr's open world, but it was still a waste of dev time. Also uglier and just as samey.

>>735578241
I am still getting 3-shotted in light armour. (I only equip gears that look good)

>>735578532
>>735578621
I was about to post a similar reply, lmao.
Who tf immediately/auto updates drivers anymore? nvidia can't be trusted if your PC is running fine don't update.

>>735575750
>>735578729
If you play the game you should know it's not actually open world, it's open field.
They weren't lying about that and you realize it after playing the game.
Felt much better for co-op the way they structured it, I hated the "level" select the older games did.

>>735578729
>samey
Opinion discarded as poster only played demo for 30 minutes

>>735578621
>>735578801
I never actually had issues from updating before.
I guess that will teach me.

Enjoyed it quite a bit but now I went back and am playing SoP for the first time and I dunno, I'm kinda liking that more. Maybe I've just got Nioh burn out but the job building autism in Jack's game is a lot of fun.

>>735575750
I actually think it made the game worse because it felt like there was less thought put into the open world than there usually is in levels.
For example, I don't remember seeing a single Nurikabe in the entire first region, and there weren't any interesting level gimmicks like water levels lowering or poison clouds being filtered out of caves, which made everything feel samey. Even the crucible didn't really feel all that different to normal levels.
Maybe more interesting level designs exist more later but I got bored and went back to Nioh 2.

>>735578897
dont worry
its a lesson we all had to learn
in the past there was quality control and testing, so you could mindlessly update
this is no longer the case and we are the testers
and we do it for free

>>73557872
>nothing wrong with the mission system
>have to do the mission all over again if you missed a hot spring
Nah I am good

>>735579034
>I don't remember seeing a single Nurikabe in the entire first region, and there weren't any interesting level gimmicks like water levels lowerin
>>735578894

>>735575750
Open world made it a worse game than 2.
>inb4 muh only the first area is open world muh the rest is linear
FUCK YOU NIGGER

>>735578894
Fuck off retard, bakumatsu and the crucibles were basically all the same shit. Heian was 90% ice.
The first map had rotr levels of variety.

>>735575750
The idea of collecting every collectible sounds stupid to me but I did it anyway, and it was fun. I havent touched the game in 3 weeks though, despite playing it for 21 hours on the launch day.

>>735579156
I own the game, I simply got bored of how easy it was and how dull the levels were.
Prove me wrong on the Nurikabe thing, there are none in the first region.

>open world schizo hater who has never played the game is still going

>>735579056
3 still has the same issue for crucibles and scrolls anyway

>>735575750
Pros: You get some more freedom in regards to what order you want to tackle the game's content
>Cons: There's even less visual variety than before because they obviously can't stick two completely different biomes in a connected map
Overall it's about the same for me, it doesn't add too much but it also doesn't detract from the gameplay. The big issue the game has is that it decided most of the enemies you fight should be jailer onis, meanwhile you'll literally fight just a handful of some of the other enemy types.
>>735575996
>Nioh and Nioh 2 had pretty shit level design
On a functional level they were completely fine, it's on exactly on par with what Fromsoft does. Environment art design is what's really lacking from the Nioh games.

>>735578997
Nioh can definitely burn you out quick if you play it too much and you don't know how to quickly wipe your inventory.

>>735573569
All they had to do is nioh 2 but with more levels, gear, and skills. This was not it.

>>735579056
only like 3 missions have hot springs and they're generally so obvious if you missed them then you're just monkeybrain rushing through which btw if you did miss them you can literally monkeybrain rush them and then port out of the scroll because the game shows you everything you missed as you progress.

It's fun, but ultimately i think the open field was a mistake. I played as often as i could first week, but i have no desire to continue in ng+. Took down yakatsu baba and just stopped.

I'm in DLC waiting room.

>>735579559
So you never played nioh 2 as well. Ir you have lower IQ than Kodamas.

>lock explosive shot behind koroka soul core
>put three (3) (tres) (san) in the game
What did they mean by this?
It's not like koroka are difficult yokai like itsumade, who i think i fought four or five times, and he was a pushover this time.

>>735579686
There's a difference, some kodama are pretty hard to find in 2, and you need sensor gear for them to show up on the map, it's not auto unlocked after doing random bullshit for 10 minutes in an area.

>>735579385
>The big issue the game has is that it decided most of the enemies you fight should be jailer onis
Baffling choice that.
It's not like they had nothing to use in their place either, between skellies/gakis/aberrant soldiers/umbrellas/onibis they could have easily done away with half the current small jailer placements, and the big ones could have just been replaced by yokis, enkis and tengus. No real reason to segregate so many yokais by map.

I like how the hater actually didn't play Nioh 3 that he can't even form a single solid argument against the game.

>>735575750
>so was the open world necessary
nope
>well done
nope

>>735579253
https://gamewith.jp/nioh3/540657

>>735579868
>you need sensor gear
You mean you equip it and it shows everything on radar right away.

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>>735579686
Excuse me but I AM A KODAMA

>>735573569
I dropped like a hundred hours, just waiting for dlc. Team ninja knocked it out of the park yet again. SoP is still my favourite though.

>>735579253
>Prove me wrong on the Nurikabe thing, there are none in the first region.
I distinctly remember one before ryomen sukuna and one before baba nobuharu
There were possibly a couple more.

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How good is picrel?
It's hard to figure out based on Steam reviews when most of them talk about how poorly optimised the game is, when I want to know about the game itself.

>>735580265
Yeah, that's what i said.

>>735580584
I'm a huge team ninja fan. I'd say it's worse than SoP Nioh 2 and 3. Better than Nioh 1 and probably better than Wo Long.

>having fun doing unga bunga axe to face on NG
>get to Kunimatsu
What the fuck, man, who thought this would be a fun boss to fight? This is a NG+++-tier boss.

>>735580584
It's a PvE FTG with open world. The second best game Team Ninja ever made just below Fatal Frame 2 Remake.

>>735575750
It's not an open world and even "open field" is a stretch. Only the very first section up to the first crucible mission is open field, then it turns into linear paths for the rest of the game. It was okay but I prefer the mission based style of previous games.

>>735575673
>ninja is even harder to play
No. Easy mode.

>>735580584
It's no Nioh 2 and not even 3 honestly, but I liked it to a similar degree as nioh 1 and wo long (all dlc included, not the initial release) so I would definitely recommend it.
The gameplay is largely pretty good and the story is actually good by TN's standards, but there's no real postgame since they canceled the dlcs, so you'll go through the story and drop it.
It's not quite sekiro levels of parryslop, but don't play it if you don't want to engage with the parry system.
>performance
I had no issues whatsoever but a lot of people complained it is/was wo long at release bad.
Just pirate it and try how it works for you I guess.

>>735573569
A couple friends tried to shill it to me as the best game ever (none of them even played nioh 1 or 2)
Not one of those friends was still playing nioh 3 a week after launch

I unironically started a new nioh 2 playthrough when 3 came out, and I was still playing it and having fun by the time they were finished (aka bored) with nioh 3

And they are still too stubborn to play the first 2 niohs

>>735575980
This.

>>735580741
Kuni is made for defensive play.
Odachi brutalizes him, but really you just have to hit and run as most of his moves will give you a comfy opening. Just don't be greedy, one-two martial arts and fuck off.

>>735575750
Honestly Nioh 3 wasn't necessary if this was the shit we got.

>>735581017
The only Niohlikes made by TN are the Niohs. Every other titles are actually quite different.

I lost interest at bakumatsu fast traveling between shrines to tie up quests before the last portion
Think that's the first TN game I didn't get hooked on from start to finish

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>>735573569
If Nioh 2 is a 10/10, I would give this a 8.5/10 (so far).

Pros:
>Open world made it feel like a sequel, not just Nioh 2.5
>Open world was actually interesting
>Style switching made the gameplay entertaining

Cons:
>Too easy. Was limiting my own equipment just so the game was a challenge.
>Story was the worst out of all 3 Niohs.
>Do wish they could add some more linear missions in Battle Scroll.

I am looking forward to the DLCs now.

It has the best combat system in a soulslike imo.
I feel like Team Ninja would be better making fighting games but the money isn't there.

>>735581770
>too easy
>plays tornado edge spam axe
I mean yeah it's easy but playing axe is like running cheat engine table

>>735582262
If tonfas, 1kat and axe weren't completely broken and Ninja didn't have a dodge with a million iframes nobody would be complaining the game is too easy.

>>735582398
Open field would still be boring asf.

>>735582398
Ninja dodge has 13 i-frames the same as Samurai mid/low stance though.

>>735582398
fists is broken af if you're good at the game

>>735583134
>if you're good at the game
self defeating caveat
Every weapon rapes the content if you're good with it.
In 2 however you could rape everything with fists even if you just mashed buttons, no skill required. And the same goes woth tonfa and axe in 3.

>>735575750
The open world was nice in the first area, ok in the second, and in the third it didn't matter.

The main issue is it crippled environment variation. By the end i'm so fucking sick of these repetitive environments.

Tight corridor and well replaced enemy design >>>>>>>> open hub slop with copy and paste enemies

>>735582398
I just deflected my way through the game.

>>735584634
SAM is actually completely fucking busted ontop of deflect but Ninjasissies keep thinking their "same iframe" unique KnJ animation makes them busted.

>>735584732
I played SoP by stacking buffs on parry, and I played this by stacking buffs on deflect.

When I deflect I heal and get stronger and they get weaker. Ezpz.

>>735584732
You can build sam into a tank cannon while ninja remains a glass cannon.
But you have to actually build it up, ninja has the early advantage (also the damage record, but I don't care about cheese strats).

I watched 2 people play through nioh 3 and it looks miserable
One of them did nothing but spam the same weapon art over and over any time there was an opening
The other just stayed in low stance the entire time, being a mosquito

Both of them made me almost fall asleep watching. I'm sure the game has more depth than this, but the fact it even works is depressing.

>>735585132
I mean you can build a 1 shot with anything in Nioh. In Nioh 2 SG has the record speedruns at endgame depths but Odachi has the biggest damage numbers.

>>735585191
I'm just gonna point out that spamming axe high stance strong attacks was a legit nioh 2 speedrunning strat.

>>735585191
There are few if any action games you can't play in an extremely boring manner if you want to. Doesn't really reflect on the game itself imo. Someone spamming flying swallow does not make NG bad or that strategy optimal or even good.

>>735585191
It's almost impossible to avoid having people find a way to cheese action rpgs just to have an easier time. Remember, people were abusing the sloth talisman to get through the first two games as well, and Nioh 3 is likely no different since I keep coming across Revanants that try to use that against me as well

>>735580584
I think its amazing for any 1850s Bakamatsu era lovers who wants to roleplay a little more. Probably the most detailed Team Ninja game, especially in the katana styles and how most of them affect idle, sheathe, running, walking and other animations instead of just one universal katana animation set for non-attacks.

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>>735586354
Maybe I'm just autistic
When I played I encouraged myself to use and incorporate every stance and mechanic the game would let me. It was a much steeper learning curve but it was so much more satisfying and the combat felt great.
I can't imagine lobotomizing myself to only using one move and then further lobotomizing myself to convince myself I was enjoying the game like that

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>>735580772
I didn't think I would find a based FF2 enjoyer in these parts

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>>735586454
I wonder how many times we've had the Bakumatsu period explored in a game's narrative. I'm only aware of RoTR, Nioh 3, Way of the Samurai 4 and Like a Dragon: Ishin

>>735586707
Nah that's what you're supposed to do, it's why games like DMC give you a score bonus for it.

>>735580772
Isn't that censored ?

>>735586779
Would you count Rurouni Kenshin games?

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I literally just finished it. Open world was a mistake, made the game feel dragged out at times. The boss fights were a highlight for the most part. The Ninja mode felt really fun, I barely even touched Samurai throughout the game.

Biggest thing I didn't understand about the game: why let you make a character with huge boobs, but not let you show off any cleavage whatsoever? Boggles the mind.

>>735587153
Probably not. Aside from some of the flash backs and a film set in the Bakumatsu period, Rurouni Kenshin is generally set during the Meiji Restoration period

Nioh 3 was fucking great, and the worst thing about it is having to replay only story content to progress through NG+.
The story bosses may be good with the exception of a certain stinker, but that doesn't mean I only want to see them again on a replay.

>>735587295
>Biggest thing I didn't understand about the game: why let you make a character with huge boobs, but not let you show off any cleavage whatsoever? Boggles the mind.
they are slowly becoming westernized
you could have fat tits and cleavage in nioh2
i hope they reconsider and dont go down that route over there

>>735586707
>When I played I encouraged myself to use and incorporate every stance and mechanic the game would let me.
This is not autism, this is the most fun way to play the game. The point is that it's unreasonable to expect the game to be designed in such a way that this is the only way to play it.
The amount of balancing this would require is just not going to result in worthwhile improvements for the people already playing your way, while it would run off people playing the cheese way.

>>735587756
It isn't even so much cheese but a lot of people like to relax to game and don't want to have to constantly be learning new movesets, they want to find a weapon and some skills and settle on those

It's not shit and I don't hate the open world. But it's a step back from Nioh 2 in pretty much every respect.
Open world doesn't work well with Nioh's approach to loot, because exploration is rewarded with either more interchangable weapon drops, some form of currency, or the one good thing, arts/skills (though obviously most of these will be for weapons that aren't the weapon types you favour).
The ninja-samurai split feels pointless. It arbitrarily prevents certain combinations of armour and weapons, and for what?
As everyone points out, enemy variety is a big issue. The game could do with more enemy types as it is, but it also suffers from not using the enemies it does have well. Gaki, Dweller, Jailer Oni fucking everywhere. The most boring enemies, and they're everywhere. I can't believe I'm saying this, but by the midway point of the game, I was fucking missing Yoki and Enki. They're weak as shit, too, but if you're gonna make me spend most of my time fighting the aforementioned trash, at least sprinkle some of the others in more. There's like 2 Koroka in the game. Magatsu Warrior and Tengu are absolute jokes compared to what they used to be, yet they don't compensate for that by putting them in bigger encounters with more enemies. As annoying as Rokurokubi was, it added a little spice to attacking any human place, as you'd get a nice surprise... don't get that in 3. You see humans, you know what you're getting.
There's like 8 characters in the story and half of them are Himiko in different hats.Speaking of Himiko, ancient Japan should've been a proper map and had a lot more to it. You send me back to such a different era, I expect radical new equipment and different youkai in greater numbers. Instead we get Yamatai and Light Yamatai gear and just fucking Sentries.

Playing Nioh 2.
Is Staff the weapon with the best hold to win skill (Dragon Dance)?
Everything else I try like Reaper or Mad Spinner or Water Sword deals either low as fuck damage and/OR has abysmal range in that it fumbles if the enemy moves 1 fucking centimer away from you, Dragon Dance though just melts and you can move albeit slightly too, plus even hits enemies behind you.

>>735588238
>Gaki, Dweller, Jailer Oni fucking everywhere. The most boring enemies, and they're everywhere.
But isn't Nioh 2 exaclty like this?
Every fucking mission has Gaki + Skeleton Warriors+ Yoki after a certain point.

I bought Nioh 2 because Nioh 3 ran like shit on my computer

>>735589558
Did you rike it?

>>735589727
I'm not even 2 hours in yet so I don't know. It's too bad it doesn't have the jumping and deflects and arts proficiency from 3 though, those were fun.

>>735589876
IMO it's generally better, more "solid" than Nioh 3. Nioh 3 is more experimental which leads to some stuff that doesn't work or isn't balanced. Nioh 2 is more like a refinement of 1.

Biggest issue is no auto pickup for equips and no jumping. Deflects and arts proficiency are experimental and are fun but not 100% necessary.

was it just impossible to create a katana only build in nioh 2 that had the power to melt shit on higher difficulties or did i just fail to do so?
i played katana only the whole game and the 1st playthrough was just some of the best fun ive ever had
but after that it became more and more miserable and i ran into posts i seem to recall saying that it had been overtly nerfed or wasnt very viable anymore, especially since its better against human enemies rather than yokai
in the end i failed to cobble together anything satisfying

>>735590553
Melting shit lategame is basically just versatility+confusion (preferably water+purity/corruption), weapon doesn't really matter.
It doesn't get as strong as dedicated iai builds from 1, but that was oneshotting rather than melting anyway.

>>735575750
first map was good
other 2 were meh
third one also ran like fucking garbage

>>735575750
my entire time playing nioh 3 was spent remembering the better maps in nioh 2