Adding a little slop to your indie title isn't inherently bad.
>>735575785Based. Total luddite death.In this board we embrace technology and we aim to accelerate./v/ is full e/acc
you cunts may as well be AI yourselves the way i see the same shit from posters on here all day everyday unchanged
>>735575873>ludditehehi know what (You) are
Us AI for numbers, not art, and I would agree. Even with physical tools its measure twice cut once. The reality downfall of AI is shitty users who want some Ironman Jarvis best friend shit that they can yell at to bring porn up on the screen. Video games companies got gifted by Indian AI scams and now are on a leash contractually.
>>735576176What makes it okay to replace the code monkeys but not the ones that use pencils and brushes?
I don't care if the textures look ass. Not paying an artist.
I used AI to generate some music for my game because I sure as fuck can't do it myself and didn't have the money to hire a lawyer to write a contract. Turned out ok, and only cost me $40 for two months' of credits on Stability.
>>735578896>$40 for garbage that will make people boycott your gamelol
>>735579787only NPC golems care about it
>>735579969Eating slop without questioning it is the most NPC thing imaginable
>>735579787>boycott95%+ of people don't give a fuck. And if I get some retards screaming and trying to shame my game for using AI, it's just free publicity. And any AA or AAA game made since 2020 has had AI in it in some capacity. Just because you don't see a blatant AI generated texture or hear an AI generated voice doesn't mean the game doesn't contain AI content.
>>735575785>written by BraziliansNah. You put slop, I'm taking my money elsewhere
>>735580606Source?
>>735580714Source for what? Industry standard tool suites (Adobe, Autodesk, MS Office shit) have had AI plugins and limited feature functionality for almost half a decade. Only a brainlet would say 'Oh, an artist using Photoshop's AI tools to quickly edit or touch up textures, or an engineer using VS's AI-powered code suggestion stuff doesn't count' but then go on to shit themselves when they see what might be one AI generated picture in some throwaway prop you see for five seconds.This is the same kind of stupidity where people say they're going to boycott a movie or show because one of the actors or producers was a sex pest, but then not caring when you say 'But what if this back office guy on a show you like was the same way?' It's performative nonsense.
>>735581167How do you know every AA and AAA game since 2020 was using them though?Surely you didn't just make that up, did you?
>>735579969>it's only the majority that cares about itIt's like you don't actually want to sell your game that totally exists and definitely isn't an excuse to astroturf about how ai is the greatest invention since the cowpiss sodas you love so much.>>735580606>free publicityThat can backfire hard. See crimslop desert for a current example.
>>735575785>joao paulo pereira sousa and rogerio junior correia tavares
>>735581572>how do you knowBecause every game uses those products as part of their content creation pipelines and those products have been incorporating more and more 'smart' or 'AI' features since 'AI' became sexy in tech (supplanting 'cloud') back in the late 2010s. This isn't complicated.>>735581578>CDIDK much about it but I've heard it's doing good numbers, has good player counts, and is making money while a small group of people are reeeing about AI paintings or smth. More eyes on your game, good or bad, seems advantageous in this age where a thousand games come out on Steam every month.
>>735581719>two shitskins writes a book about the joys of shitI bet it's generated slop too.
>>735581806>Because every game uses those products as part of their content creation pipelines and those products have been incorporating more and more 'smart' or 'AI' features since 'AI' became sexy in tech (supplanting 'cloud') back in the late 2010s.Okay but where's your proof
>>735581883If you're expecting me to produce source code for a game and say 'and here is where they used an AI to help refine it,' you know I can't and you're being obtuse.I'm asking you to use your brain and try to think whether a developer in an industry known for aggressive deadlines and crunch would use a quality of life feature in a tool they're using daily as part of their job, or whether they would ignore these tools/features and do things in a slow, manual, annoying fashion while ignoring the faster, better, easier option. You already know the answer. Or, you should.
>>735581806>half the playerbase>small groupGood one, ranshit.Valve even did auto refunds regardless of playtime because they didn't disclose the slop usage.
>>735582135>If you're expecting me to produce source code for a game and say 'and here is where they used an AI to help refine it,' you know I can'tYep>and you're being obtuse.No, I'm aiming to illustrate the point that you have no fucking way of knowing so your claims are completely meaningless.
>>735582196I don't know much about CD, like I said. I also just checked the charts and it had a 250k launch peak and a recent 24hr peak of just under 200k, so what 'half the playerbase' stuff are you talking about?>>735582284You can ignore the very obvious and very logical way the industry is going, or maybe naively pretend these for-profit businesses wouldn't be maximizing productivity to keep down costs (by using AI tools) if you want, but that's all you've got; naivety.
just add AI voiceacting. I don't want to read a wall of text in a quirky earthbound-clone RPG for 20 hours
>>735582373More meaningless conjecture. The industry is currently moving this way, yeah, but there's tons of community pushback and it shows many signs of being a fad too. My point isn't to claim I'm right, it's to say that it's all just assumptions and an argument for either side cannot ever be "correct."
>>735582543Unfortunately anon I work in gamedev and the wind's been blowing this way since the mid-2010s. >community pushbackThis is almost entirely irrelevant for anything except very niche or small games where you're looking at sales below 1m. The vast majority (and I mean 90%+ at least) of people who spend money on games never go to Reddit, /v/, Steam forums, or anywhere else. And the ball and gun gamers are even worse.
>>735582503>touhou sludge slurpers want more AI sludgecolor me surprised.
>>735582758i just picked a random image from my computer but i don't get the point you're trying to make. touhou still gets hundreds of new art pics daily.
If game developers use search engines to refresh their memory on some API or language syntax, and then the search-result-summarizing LLM comes up with the answer and they use that answer instead of clicking through to the web pages that the LLM is designed to deprive of clicks, do they have to disclose it as using AI to make the game?
>>735575873You shame your parents with every breath
>>735583124Nobody has to disclose any AI usage anywhereThe thing on Steam is optional
>>735576446artists have more emotions, codemonkeys are basically robots anyway so there's no harm in replacing them
>>735575785>Juan Jose Maria Rigoberto Aguascacas de Santo Domingo de los Diabetico
>>735576446It sort of depends on the context for me, like I don't really give a shit if someone asks chatGPT for an XML parser or something but if nearly the entire codebase is vibe coded it's gonna show through and negatively affect the product.Comparing AI generated code to AI generated visual/audio assets is kind of an apples to oranges thing though
>>735578896There is tons of royalty free music you could have used for 0 dollars you retard
>>735575785>the people calling you a luddite are actually spics, not indiansThis is this year's biggest twist.
>>735584554Oh I know, but I wanted something custom and it would've taken me 2-3x longer to find, screen, and check the legalese on royalty free music. I'm going to try using more of that (royalty free existing music) in my next project, though.
>>735584710>and it would've taken me 2-3x longer to find, screen, and check the legalese on royalty free music.It absolutely would not have.>and check the legaleseWhat the fuck are you talking about, it will just be posted with one of a handful of predefined licenses (cc0, etc) that tells you exactly what you're allowed to do with it. You don't really need to study them, there are only a handful anyone actually uses and they can all be summed up in one or two sentences.
>>735575785Jews being eternally ticked off that they didn't get a piece of the pie when the biggest and most lucrative industry formed after Nintendo relaunched it.
>>735584909>It absolutely would not have.I'm not talking about searching for some generic background music like 'pop music for club,' I'm talking about needing very specific tones, instruments, and other elements that would require a ton of searching and listening. With AI generation, I can put those limits into the prompt and get results back much faster.>predefined licensesSure, but I would still need to read through the top level license the site is using and then there's always the risk of individual tracks having their own amendments or additions to those licenses. The AI generation sites are still faster in this respect and their license model only needs to be read once.
>>735585080>Sure, but I would still need to read through the top level license the site is using and then there's always the risk of individual tracks having their own amendments or additions to those licenses.The license is on the tracks themselves.
>>735583184sure george.
>>735585651Yeah, and every one would need to be reviewed, line by line, out of safety. It's not the end of the world, but it's a headache I prefer to avoid if I can.
>>735585868>line by line>it will just be posted with one of a handful of predefined licenses>there are only a handful anyone actually uses and they can all be summed up in one or two sentences
>>735585953Like I said, sometimes people can add their own bullshit to those licenses either because they don't know any better or because they actually have a custom license that's a fork of one of the official public ones.Point is, if you're putting third party content in your commercial product, you have to read the legal bullshit for every single piece of that third party content or you're exposing yourself to very serious risks.
>>735575785>>735582753>Unreal Engine 5.7 Procedural Vegetation Editor, Promethean, RTX Mega Geometry, NVIDIA ACE, Convai, MetaHuman Animator, SpeedTree, Adobe Substance 3D, Meshy, anything with Havok, Muse, Cursor/Copilot, Modl.ai, Gaea 2.0, World Creator, Blockade Labs, ZooBuilder, Deepmotion MoveAI, NVIDIA Modulus, anything with Elevenlabs 'acting', Audiocraft 2the industry is not moving away from AI, it's moving from procedural->neural workflowsUnreal 1998 had procedural generated smoke, water, fire and other misc. FXit has always been a part of game dev, it's only now that youtubers/social media personalities people follow on their phone that make a career off of keeping themselves afloat via the re-circulation of information, right or wrong, are pointing at some of the newer forms of neural workflows in the industry popping up and going NO LE HECKIN ARTISTS LE CODERS!!!!!! U NEED 2 B OUTRAGED!! MY TRANS GF CANT GET A JOB MAKING SPRITE SHEETS FOR $27 AN HOUR WITH BENEFITS
>>735575785If your game uses generative AI in any capacity, I will not buy it. End of story
>>735587304It's gonna be harder and harder to notice from now on, you better stick to the classics then.
>>735587304Hope you weren't planning on playing GTA 6 or Witcher 4.
>thought AI would be used for.... enemy AI>and (way later) for cool stuff like a pseudo dungeonmaster who dynamically creates a world for you as you play>instead it just creates mountains of digital garbage and replaces artistrypfff
>>735584554No one wants to sift through that mountain of shit.
>>735587304not like you buy games anyway
>>735587717>DEI hires are losing their jobsis that supposed to make me upset?
>>735586171If someone says their media is one license and then try to claim it's something else, that isn't on you
>>735590042>it isn't on youThat depends on the autism of person making the claim, unfortunately. Like, imagine if you strike indie gold and your game blows up and gets popular enough to be in the news cycle. That would be more than enough for some lunatic who hears a track they made (but said is free to use) is in your game and decides to try suing you to get some money. The last place you ever want to be is in court, even if you're 100% in the right and will win the case. It's like that autist who was DMCAing everyone because he decided he owned the Cookie's Bustle IP.
>>735576446I don't think it's ok to replace anyone. But I guess someone could make the argument that coding, much like say construction work, is not a "deep" activity, it's just finding practical solutions to allow something more important to exist. Art is deeply connected and necessary for the human soul, even in the stone age humans needed to make art. But trades like coding come and go with the development of technology.So in short: replacing a menial task with a robot is something people can accept for the sake of efficiency or comfort. Replacing art with a robot is seen as an insult to the human soul.
>>735590626it's funny how artists see everyone else as lesser
>NOOOOO PAY ARTISTS WHAT THEY ARE WORTH AAAA>AI BAD AI BAD/v/ is so contrarian, it loves to defend the same snowflake, scummy tumblrite leftover artists they shat on for years
>>735581883>>735582284You can try to own him that way but any amount of intuition and logic will tell you that all major gaming companies are looking into AI now or actively using it already in production pipelines. Do you think CEOs and middle managers give a fuck about artistic integrity?Hell even Larian and the Expeditions 33 studio used AI a little, and those guys are the "laid back soulful european" devs. What do you think that says about all the other games produced today?
>>735583124Steam already updated their thing a while ago. You dont have to disclose that you used a LLM to help you code or whatever because then basically every nu dev would be disclosing it which wouldn't be very helpful.
>>735590934They used GPT to fix a matchmaking issue in Deadlock. https://www.gamesradar.com/games/third-person-shooter/deadlocks-new-matchmaking-algorithm-was-recommended-to-valve-by-ai-i-found-it-using-chatgpt/ as I've said before in this thread none of the trees in the Witcher 3 were placed by hand, all of the physics calculations when you fall down go hurt in Saints Row are AI. The time to cry about AI was back in '99 when they were making self-producing textures for smoke and fire to save on hard drive space.
>>735575785You know people don't care so long as it's disclosed what AI was used for. Arc Raiders openly admits using some AI and people love it. The issue is when its attempted to be forced down people throats and people don't want it or say it sucks and devs tantrum saying the consumer is wrong.
>>735591167People don't give a fuck, period. Only a few histrionic troons and armchair culture warriors care.Your parents are watching AI videos on youtube all day without even realizingYour little nephew has a tung tung sahur shirtYour favorite dev is using AI to save moneyYou've liked more than one AI image without even realizing they were AIEven the people who claim to hate AI always stumble upon something they like (like Neuro or, incidentally, this game) and go "well maybe it's not so bad" or "well THIS I'll tolerate"AI hate is nothing but empty moral grandstanding
>>735590848I don't know if the artist in the pic is actually scummy or very popular or whatever. But posting a commission sheet as proof of anything is meaningless.The only way you think someone asking more for their art when they have a huge following is dishonest, is if you're some kind of pseudo commie seething that capitalism is rewarding someone else's hard work.
>>735590695Let them enjoy what they have left of this moment. Throughout all of human history until digital art creation became asscessible and commission culture became mainstream, a starving artist was an accurate meme. Its going to be making a triumphant return within 10 years as ai models become better and better at aping art, and they will once again need to do it for the love of the craft as its an unsuitable profession to try to survive on.Hopefully we can get actors back there someday too. Acting should also not be a profession one can live off of, it should have remained an elaborate marketing strategy for prostitutes(in a way it still is, but normalfags cant afford them anymore).
>>735591565>yes, 250 dollars a second is a good price for anything!
>>735590695That's the exact opposite of what I said>>735591653You are using pop culture as historical knowledge. Yes starving artist was a thing because life was generally harsher back then and there's a few famous examples, but art was a career back then, you realize that right? It may have not made you a wealthy aristocrat by itself but noblemen and the church paid the artists for their work. You say that as if artists were purely hobbyists until digital art was invented.>>735591791No, it's a terribly expensive price, so what? It doesn't prove that artist is scummy by itself. Again they are asking the amount of money their customers are willing to pay, presumably. That's what artists do.If you could do the same job you are doing now, but with 10x the demand for your work and 10x the pay, would you decline because it would "feel scummy"? You'd be retarded. Nobody would keep themselves poor because some seething burger flipper out there doesn't believe you earned what you get paid.
