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>>735580009
It's not like you can definitively prove Dess is the knight either.

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>>735580009
This and Kris is so loyal because she molested him.

>>735580009
The Knight is Noelle's shadow given form
Read Fate/Stay Night. Toby is heavily inspired by it and Noelle is Sakura McWormslut.

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>>735580831
>Noelle was inspired by Nasu's worst girl
This doesn't help your case, anon-kun

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It's Rudy

>>735581194
Never played the games but she's the hottest girl in her game and Noelle is also the hottest girl in her game, so I support it.

>>735580009
Probably, but I have a hunch it'll probably be some weird third thing where it's related to her but it's not REALLY her flying around in a pitch black suit.

>>735582302
It's a darkner formed from her frozen comatose body

>>735580323
Yes I can
1. It's hot

>>735582394
It's just her monster soul separated from her body which is why it's only black and white

>>735580009
It's Carol. Sometimes the simplest solution is the right one.

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When did you realize that Rudy is the Knight?

>>735582632
Monster souls are extremely weak and fragile. Dark Dess has a soul, and that soul is Kris's original soul.

>>735582394
I've thought about this as well, but it's too overly dark for this game to really fit.
>>735582632
This is a neat interpretation. My main guess is that it's some weird amalgamation but I can't really elaborate on that any further.

>>735582632
This. Her soul and body got separated to mirror Kris and his soul being separated.

>>735582847
>but it's too overly dark for this game to really fit.
You already frozen one of your classmates into a coma

>>735582979
That's not how monster souls work

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Ralsei must die.

>>735583084
Different game with different rules. Her soul got separated from her body in the dark, and her body became the Knight.

>>735583292
A monster without a soul is called "dead".

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>>735582836
>>735583084
This isn't Undertale. Monster and humans are both "Lightners." Their souls produce enough Determination to create Dark Fountains. There's nothing special about Kris's compared to Susie's or The Knight's.
For the same reason, The Knight doesn't need a human SOUL. It's can just be Dess.

>>735580009
More like nessa, because reasons

Carol is the red herring answer, Dess is the simpleton le epic lore sleuth answer that makes no sense if you think from an author's standpoint for more than 5 seconds

In truth it's beyond fucking obvious that the knight is Rudy

>>735583689
Tell that to Flowey.

>>735583689
If removing the SOUL doesn't kill Kris instantly there's no reason to think that must happen to Dess

>>735583745
If monster souls weren't inferior to human souls then the gang wouldn't need (you) to close the fountains. The pillows that Carol collected were described as resembling human souls, not just "souls", because nobody knows what monster souls look like, because they don't persist on their own. If the Knight is just plain old Dess (which it isn't, it's like 8 feet tall, amorphous, and has spindly limbs), there's also no explanation for how it could be so powerful, but monsters that gain human souls gain such power.

>>735583876
Flowey is a fucking ghost possessing a flower. And only because of the determination leaking out of Chara's grave.

>>735584039
Humans are literally built different. If their souls can persist on their own we have no reason to believe the body can't also

>>735584152
You don't need to loudly exclaim that you didn't play Undertale, I could already tell.

>>735584373
Oh right it was Alphys's experiment I forgot

>>735584103
our soul is the only thing powerful enough to deal fountains macguffin thusly stronger than any other human soul otherwise there's no reason for the player to be there because Kris's should be powerful enough if any human could do it. Kris's soul is definitely with dess which is why the twerp uses us like a battery...that damn parasite

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>>735584103
>If monster souls weren't inferior to human souls then the gang wouldn't need (you) to close the fountains
If human SOULs were that powerful then they wouldn't need You at all. Kris could be the hero all on their own.
But they don't need a human SOUL, they need YOU and YOUR POWER. YOU have a greater Determination than any of these characters, human or monster. It is YOUR POWER that shines in Kris, that is why they are THE CAGE.
>The pillows that Carol collected were described as resembling human souls
No, that's wrong. You made that up.
A "human SOUL" has only been referenced in Kris's initial "Human" class description and in The Prophecy.
>monsters that gain human souls gain such power.
In Undertale, because monsters in Undertale are creatures made of pure magic dust. Human SOULs are much more powerful in Undertale, but humans are impeded by being made of flesh and blood.
In Deltarune, monsters are made of flesh and blood like humans, and also have powerful SOULs with meaningful amounts of Determination, as evidenced by them being bale to create Dark Fountains. There is no reason to believe "a monster with a human SOUL" is a thing in Deltarune's setting.

>>735584220
>Humans are literally built different
They are literally not.

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>>735584220
>Humans are literally built different.
In terms of sex btw.

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>>735584220
This is what I don't really like about Deltarune, the rules are all over the place. In UT, the soul is the source of determination, without it the person dies, human or monster. Flowey was brought back due to being injected with determination, Chara was woken up because she was exposed to determination.
In delta? No biggie, I guess the soul is like an organ or something, like having your liver shut down. Yeah it sucks but whatever

>>735584631
>because Kris's should be powerful enough
He would be, if he had his soul, but he doesn't, as you said because he gave it to Dess

>>735585143
>No biggie, I guess the soul is like an organ or something, like having your liver shut down. Yeah it sucks but whatever
That's because we don't know the deal with Kris yet. Most of the rules in Undertale are introduced in the late game. The deal with souls in Deltarune will be introduced soon.

>>735585143
might be because we don't know how it works yet not because there's no rules

>>735584635
>Kris could be the hero all on their own.
He would be, if he had his soul, but he doesn't, which is why he needs us. He resents us for not just being his humanity battery and infringing on his autonomy, but he can't just get rid of us because he can't go without a soul if he wants to interact with the dark world safely.
>In Undertale, because monsters in Undertale are creatures made of pure magic dust.
Monsters still dust in deltarune. A monster comments to Kris "does it hurt to be made out of blood?", implying that monsters in DT still aren't made of flesh the same way humans are.

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>>735584487
Flowey also isn't Asriel’s ghost possessing a flower, either. It's his essence attached to the flower who was awakened from death via determination. The same happens when Chara's essence attaches to Frisk when she fell into her grave.

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>>735585143
>the soul is the source of determination, without it the person dies
There's no precedent for removing the SOUL from a living being in Undertale. We had to kill Asgore to take his SOUL and monsters wanted to kill us to take our SOUL because we couldn't just reach into their chest.
(also, given that the human SOULs respond to our calls for help, it seems like they're still alive in some sense even while their bodies are presumably rotting in Asgore's basement)

There's obviously something supernatural going on with Kris because it's not normal for a human to be able to plunge their hand through their chest and rip out their SOUL. Even then, it's clearly painful for Kris and they seem to be suffering without us, it seems unlikely that they could go without a SOUL indefinitely.
Kris retaining enough Determination in their body to stay alive and even create a Fountain without the SOUL makes enough sense based on the example of Flowey. A SOUL is necessary to generate your own Determination, but not to simply retain it.

>>735585959
>Flowey also isn't Asriel’s ghost possessing a flower, either.
Yes he is.

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>>735585582
>He would be, if he had his soul, but he doesn't, which is why he needs us.
"Kris gave Dess their SOUL but they need their SOUL to save Dess so they summoned another SOUL from another dimension so they could work with Dess and against Dess behind the other SOUL's back who they need to save Dess"
this is fucking nonsense

>A monster comments to Kris "does it hurt to be made out of blood?"
You saw Susie bleed. You saw Susie make a Dark Fountain. If this were Undertale rules she would have melted into a puddle. Get over it.

>>735586395
>"Kris gave Dess their SOUL but they need their SOUL to save Dess so they summoned another SOUL from another dimension so they could work with Dess and against Dess behind the other SOUL's back who they need to save Dess"
He's only pretending to work against Dess and his actual allegiance is with her. Also he doesn't need us to fight her, he needs us so that he can remain a lightner in the dark world and not become a darkner, who may have different memories or goals or a different personality. He's clearly intentionally guiding everyone down the path of the prophecy for some as of yet unrevealed final goal.
>You saw Susie bleed.
Okay? It's clearly not the same as Kris.
>If this were Undertale rules she would have melted into a puddle.
That is true, the power gap is SIGNIFICANTLY less in DT.

>>735585582
that fuckass rabbit monster in ch1 has ruined discussion on how monsters work in deltarune
susie states 'everyone bleeds' in ch1, which means most monsters do at the very least
also we didn't get hard confirmation on how dusting works in deltarune, we know the burial rights but it was never said if dusting was a natural process or if it was just another way of saying cremation
the book doesn't say and susie dances around it when talking about it

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>>735586106
Yeah, Kris is special. In Undertale it's very clear humans can't just remove their SOUL wherever they want. You're right the dead kids seem to have a will even as SOULs but they quickly fuck off after Flowey is defeated. I wonder when Toby will finally explain why Kris is different from every human in the series.

>>735586601
>that fuckass rabbit monster in ch1 has ruined discussion on how monsters work in deltarune
that's on toby for needlessly muddying the waters honestly

>>735586601
Dess beat Kris in the head hard enough with a bat that it deformed into a twisted lump and it did no meaningful harm. There's no evidence that monsters turning to dust is just a metaphor this time.

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>>735586601
We literally saw Susie bled, so monsters absolutely bleed. Sans also bleeds in Undertale if you didn't forget that and he's from Deltarune (probably). I do wish he was more clear but the game isn't finished yet.

>>735586601
>susie states 'everyone bleeds' in ch1, which means most monsters do at the very least
Means nothing, it's a figure of speech

>IF IT BLEEDS WE CAN KILL IT

>>735586885
And he has the lowest stats in the entire fucking game, meaning that a monster being able to bleed doesn't prove it's the same kind biology as a human (assuming that was actually blood and not ketchup)

>>735586882
i highly doubt the bat is dented because she whacked kris with it
wiffle bats are plastic, anyways
the one in her room looks metal

>>735586281
Medialiteracyletbro...

>>735586885
>Sans also bleeds in Undertale
Citation needed. Monsters DONT bleed in UT. You saw him with red stuff - he's either not a monster, or used time memes to suddenly appear with ketchup on him to look like blood.
He also "died" offscreen. How do you know he turned to dust? Because your LV went up? It's Level of Violence. You became more violent, but nobody ever said you had to kill to increase it - just hurt others.

So while it's LIKELY he died and you leveled up, it's also unproveable

>>735587039
>i highly doubt the bat is dented because she whacked kris with it
The game heavily implies that this is the case and there is no other explanation for why the bat in her room is like that

>>735587212
considering that she has a bunch of other broken things in her room, there's a good chance she broke the bat on those

>>735587169
>You became more violent, but nobody ever said you had to kill to increase it - just hurt others.
Stop playing Undertale Yellow, Toby patched the glitch in the demo that allowed you to gain LOVE without killing, for all we know you have to kill to gain LOVE since that's what happens everytime. Sans is dead, he can't tank 999999999999 damage.

>>735582702
He isn't. I agree that it would be the most kino option, but there's just too much effort put into the Dess allusions. Even if it's lame, Dess Knight is clearly the author's intention.

>sword = bat iconography
>twisted sword
>fucked up bat in dess's room
I'm noticing.
What the fuck am I noticing?

>>735587324
You're right about LOVE (the whole point is desensitizing yourself to death, which can't happen if the person you're fighting doesn't die), and Sans did absolutely die, but he did touch on a point which is that we didn't actually see Sans dust, he could have just fallen over dead. But it did play the dusting noise so probably not, which is consistent with DT monsters seemingly being able to bleed when hurt but still dusting when dead.

>>735587552
>Dess regularly whipped Kris's ass with the bat
>They're working together, use the same kind of weapon, share drip and body language
>At the end of the fight he kneels before her and she honors him for fighting well in their sparring match
Kris is her page, and has copied everything about her as an apprentice would.

>>735587605
nta and I'm not a Charafag, but Sans escaping offscreen, then going to empty Grillby's and gtfo'ing that universe and travelling to Deltarune's would account for why it's there

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>>735587924
what relationship does mike have with tasque manager?

The Knight mystery pisses me off because it's not actually a mystery. All the physical evidence is meaningless red herrings leaving the only real "evidence" being symbolism. You don't solve mysteries using symbols. That's dumb.

>>735587552
twisted sword is described to look like a helix iirc
think fierce deity's sword from majora's mask

>>735587830
Nigga sans took a blow that dealt 10 million times his max HP. He didn't make it out of that hallway, let alone to Grillby's. He was also talking to Papyrus, who had been dead for a while at that point.

>>735588046
The physical evidence isn't meaningless, it's just vague enough that there isn't one obvious answer. Your inability to cope with this makes sense given you think mysteries have "rules" about what information is allowed to count.

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>>735587830
There's also the next world Chara mentions in her speech in genocide that we're supposed to move to, but based on Toby mentioning your ending in Undertale won't matter for Deltarune all of this extremely unlikely to happen.

>>735588209
>The physical evidence isn't meaningless
name one.

>Your inability to cope with this makes sense given you think mysteries have "rules" about what information is allowed to count.
They do. It's called mystery fiction. Here's a list:

https://www.speedcitysistersincrime.org/ss-van-dine---twenty-rules-for-writing-detective-stories.html

You don't have to follow all of them, but the more you do the more fair the mystery.

>>735588046
>>735588209
The knight Dess. It's not a mystery, the clues are beating you over the head, not cluing you into something that isn't supposed to be obvious. The question is, how did she end up this way, why exactly is Kris trying to do with her, and why do they need to keep it secret and pretend to be at odds?

>>735588046
That goes for pretty much everything in deltarune. The info is presented in such a way so Toby can backpedal/rug pull you if he so chooses. Everything is so vague you can't really make any solid conclusions without making your own headcanon.

>>735588335
>name one.
The fact that the Knight must be at least partly Lightner to move freely in the Light World and make Dark Fountains.
>look at this article of opinions from a century ago!
Thoroughly unconvincing. Deltarune was already not a mystery story by this list's logic regardless of the actual answer to the questions about the Knight thanks to the heavy involvement of supernatural elements, lack of singular main character with a deductive focus, the fact that there may not be a "criminal" or even a "crime" to find out, and several other things.
Be honest, you just googled "rules of mystery" and picked an authoritative looking article, didn't you?

>>73558860
Were you one of the idiots hoping for the epic return of Chara genoslides or are you a jilted Mike faggot? Or maybe something else? So many flavors of seething people claiming Toby changed the story to make their theory wrong.

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>>735580009
Yes I can. Answer all these questions without using any bullshit fanon.
>Why is Dess doing all of this? If the knight was Dess and Carol knows, she should easily be able to reintegrate her back into society and reunite her with her family. Anyone who fights against this is going up against hometown's most powerful family and will "go missing" for their stance.
>How did Dess become the roaring knight. Is it just armor? No, saying lE bUnKeR dArKnESS is horseshit fanon. Give an actual answer
>Why does the knight resemble other undertale and deltarune characters? Why do the antlers and "bat" take precedent over all the other elements of its design
>Speaking of it being an it, explain why the knight is referred to with it/its pronouns and not she/her
>Explain how the knight is able to transform with the ease it does if it really is just some lightner under the mask. If you don't think it's Dess under a mask, answer the question about how Dess became the knight.
>How did Dess become physically strong enough to carry Undyne, the physically strongest person in home town, from one end of hometown to the other in seconds? She is missing and most likely lacks access to training tools and proper nutrition.
>Why does the knight hurt Kris after the knighting animation if you "beat" it? Dess only hurt Kris after pranks, she would know they're not in control and not hurt them for the actions of the SOUL
>How does Dess go unnoticed in hometown as the knight?
>Why don't we see Dess's face under the mask during the knight's roar or the rest of her body?

Seriously, I don't care if Dess is your waifu or not but you Dessknight retards are insufferable. Trying to act as if your fanon is canon and being so smug about it is patently retarded. I can't wait for chapter 5 to release and BTFO all you faggots.
>>735588046
Finally someone who gets it. The knight isn't a mystery nigga, never has been, and never will be.

>Reasons for Dess being the Knight
>W-Well, the Knight's sword kinda looks like a bat if you squint hard enough
>And you can kinda hear lost girl (Not even Dess's theme) in black knife...kinda
>And uh, uh, uuuuuuh

>>735588963
Kris clearly doesn't know Rudy or Carol enough to be motivated to act like them. And he is motivated to act like the Knight.

>>735588873
Most of your questions will be answered once the game actually releases. We're still halfway through the game.

>>735580009
The Roaring Knight in Deltarune makes my fucking dick hard

>>735588696
>The fact that the Knight must be at least partly Lightner to move freely in the Light World and make Dark Fountains.
That information is worthless because all the suspects were already lightners. It doesn't narrow it down at all.

Also, Deltarune does fit some parts of mystery fiction. The detective character is actually Susie. She's the one doing the investigating and doesn't hide her thoughts from the player.

>>735588696
>The fact that the Knight must be at least partly Lightner to move freely in the Light World and make Dark Fountains.
Yeah, this isn't really set in stone. Toby can always twist the rules or add some exceptions in future chapters. The rules are currently not well defined to where you can completely rule something out.

>>735589053
And that's why you can't say "x is the roaring knight" with any amount of certainty. There are way too many things people aren't taking into account with their theories.

>>735589097
Kris...

>>735589150
>tfw the only reason that Knight can be in the "Light World" is because Hometown is actually one giant Dark World, which is why it's seemingly blocked off from the rest of the world
is it possible?

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>>735588963
Reasons you don't think Dess is The Knight
>you are blind
>you are a retard
>you are a blind retard

>>735589097
Asgore...

>>735589150
We already had one rule broken (magic does not exist in the light world). Rules mean nothing.

>>735589239
No, because you can't make fountains inside Dark Worlds.

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>>735587924
Isn't Mike potentially Shyren's sister's microphone? Could explain why he went 'missing' if the object was buried with her.

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>>735589274
Black Knife - By Toby Fox

Another broken rule: Darkners are based on objects and turn to stone outside their home fountain. Except Ralsei. He's a special snowflake who can go anywhere because something something pure darkness.

>>735588873
>Why is Dess doing all of this?
Because Kris told her too
>she should easily be able to reintegrate her back into society and reunite her with her family
She can't talk, doesn't seem completely same, and her metaphysical state actively degrades the border of reality and fantasy.
>How did Dess become the roaring knight.
She's a darkner made from Dess (alive or dead yet to be determined) who Kris gave his soul to. The armor is crystalized determination from the overwhelming SOUL power (this last detail is not in the game yet but has been leaked for chapter 5).
>Why does the knight resemble other undertale and deltarune characters?
It doesn't. It resembles the Holiday family and nobody else.
>Speaking of it being an it, explain why the knight is referred to with it/its pronouns and not she/her
Because the people know the knight is Dess are hiding that they know as much about the knight as they do.
>Explain how the knight is able to transform with the ease it does if it really is just some lightner under the mask.
It's not.
>How did Dess become physically strong enough
Kris's soul
>Why does the knight hurt Kris
It doesn't, it honors him
>How does Dess go unnoticed in hometown as the knight?
Literally hiding in the shadows. And sometimes closets
>Why don't we see Dess's face under the mask during the knight's roar or the rest of her body?
There is no face, that's just what she looks like presently

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>>735589178
Dess is still the most lively candidate so I will keep believing she is until it gets deconfirmed.

>Take a character that we know next to nothing about
>Make their role in the story seem grander than it actually is
>Make insane amounts of headcanon of them to the point where they treat it as canon
>Foam out the mouth at anyone not going along with their fan fiction
Dessfags really love to hate on Mikefags despite being the mega-evolved version of them

>>735589445
If he's pure darkness I want him to go back to being a fucking nigger then. He was much cuter as a nigger than he is as a faggot.

>NOOOO THE STORY IS BREAKING THE RUUUUUUULES
or the rules were a lie

>>735580009
It isn't, my dad works for John Deltarune, he told me the whole plot, you guys gonna love what's planned for Pizzapants

>>735588963
>The knight has a bat
>Dess beat Kris with a bat to punish him for his pranks and Kris remembers this during his fight with the knight
>Dess is conspicuously missing, there is an unresolved plot point regarding a girl who was lost in the dark, and the knight is a feminine creature that has been completely consumed by darkness
>Dess's room has posters corresponding to the knight's moves
>Kris's devotion to the knight as well as him sharing its mannerisms and fighting style is explained by her being Dess
>The knight has FUCKING DEER ANTLERS

ooga booga da player

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>>735588335
>name one.
The Knight has reindeer antlers
The Knight's weapon is a baseball bat
The Knight has a close personal connection to Kris and Kris knows who they are
The Knight must have been close to Gerson in order for their Dark World to revive him
The Knight must be "that girl" who played make-believe with Kris, alluded to by Ramb, because the Dark Worlds they created share the characters and history they made with Kris

>>735589138
>That information is worthless because all the suspects were already lightners
The suspects are all Lightners because we have that information. It should discredit every retard who thinks The Knight is a Darkner or some abstract concept bullshit but some of them are too stupid and stubborn to let go of it.

>>735589320
>We already had one rule broken (magic does not exist in the light world). Rules mean nothing.
You believe this because you exist in the echo chamber of fandom bullshit and have lost sight of what has actually been established in the game.

>>735589445
Ralsei shows up everywhere because he's a physical object that Kris has on him at all times.

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>>735588873
>Why doesn't my strawman make sense?
>AND NO, don't give me an explanation.

>>735589260
Oh my god, it's ROBERT LOGGIA!

>>735589760
The knight IS a darkner though, of Dess, manifested Kris and/or Carol just as Dess could manifest a Gerson darkner.

>>735581467
my wife

>>735589797
Nope. If he was, then he would have popped out of his (or more accurately, Susie's) pocket like Lancer. He doesn't. He walks between dark worlds on his own.

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>>735589341
Again, the rules can get a surprise update next chapter. Shit in ch1 there's technically two fountains in one dark world

>>735589797
If that was the case he wouldn't have remained with Susie when Kris fetched the card kingdom darkners.

>>735589895
What if he was specifically trying to stay hidden

https://greedykeeblerelf.blogspot.com/2026/03/a-critique-of-deltarune.html

Why is this series of games so irony poisoned, unfunny and unchallenging?

>>735589713
Tell your dad to rape tricky tony

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>>735582632
cool. where is my super cool knight form then? All I get when I'm outside kris is a batting

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>>735589445
>story establishes a general principle
>there is an exception to this which is obviously significant to the story
>"OH SO IT WAS ALL MEANINGLESS BULLSHIT???"
This really is just like Fate/stay night

>>735584103
bro the SOUL isn't human

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>>735589751
... DESERVES his human wives as a prize btw.

>>735590045
the SOUL is a robot

>>735589886
The Knight being a Dess Dustner is literally the least plausible explanation for what The Knight is

>>735589260
Dess, look, it's ROBERT LOGGIA

>>735589760
>antlers
The antlers are *maybe* evidence, but maybe not, since the knight can transform. It leans more towards symbolism.
>baseball bat
The knight's weapon is the black knife, not a bat. The bat imagery is symbolism.
>Kris relation
Kris knows who the knight is, but we have no idea how close they are.
>The Knight must have been close to Gerson
We don't know that. That's just an assumption based on conjecture.
>The Knight must be "that girl" who played make-believe with Kris
We also don't know that. Remember darkners exist on their own even without fountains.

You have presented exactly one piece of hard evidence: Kris knows who the knight is. That's it.

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>735589896
Going all-out for {You}s tonight, huh

>>735589852
Berdly is cute. I want to go fuck him in his bird cloaca asspussy while frotting my dick against his until he cums like a girl and I full him with my extremely thick and viscous glue like semen while hearing him moan in his boyish and nerdy but high pitched male voice and his glasses fog up making it hard for him to see me from the steam created by me moving so much causing me to sweat and the room to heat up.

>>735589797
Ralsei seems to exist separate from Kris and Susie, staying in Castle Town despite Kris and Susie going to their homes.

>>735589506
>Because Kris told her too
Kris is clearly the underling in their relationship
>She can't talk, doesn't seem completely same, and her metaphysical state actively degrades the border of reality and fantasy.
She can talk. The roaring knight told Tenna to keep the lightners busy
>She's a darkner made from Dess (alive or dead yet to be determined) who Kris gave his soul to. The armor is crystalized determination from the overwhelming SOUL power (this last detail is not in the game yet but has been leaked for chapter 5).
Darkners can't make fountains or exist in the light world the way lightners can even if they have determination.
>It doesn't. It resembles the Holiday family and nobody else.
Nobody in the holiday family is as tall, thin, and spiky as the knight. It's armor looks like a mix of Papyrus's and Undyne the Undying with a thin Papyrus abdomen and torso to boot, long arms like Mettaton with Gaster's stigmata, and long spike like legs. Hell, the knight's horns don't even fit any of the holidays with how they're shaped.
>Because the people know the knight is Dess are hiding that they know as much about the knight as they do.
Then why don't they just use they/them like you would for any other mystery?
>Kris's soul
what???
>It doesn't, it honors him
It literally reduces Kris's HP to 1. Look at the cutscene.
>Literally hiding in the shadows. And sometimes closets
Maybe hiding in shadows but that's not Dessknight exclusive.
>There is no face, that's just what she looks like presently
I guess but the main theory is still wrong.
>>735589852
How the fuck is this a strawman? You faggots are so up your own asses that you think fanon is a reasonable explanation now? At least the other guy tried.

>>735589994
If every rule has an exception then you can't call your story a mystery. FS/N loves this shit, but it's an action thriller, not a mystery.

>>735589984
Dad told me that he can't since he's not a member of the Rapists Union, only a union member can do it, he's gonna ask around the office for a suitable rapist, shouldn't be hard with Toby's connections

Dess is the knight, old news. The real question is how Toby will fuck up her design

>>735589896
Because of Suselle, yes.

>>735590116
Why? Also I don't think it's a dustner, I think Carol had her cryogenically preserved in the bunker, Mr. Freeze style.

Kris' nipples taste like blueberry jolly ranchers in the dark world

>>735589956
Chapter 4: Ralsei took a long time to reach and rescue Susie. If he was on her, he would have done so instantly. He's not an object.

>>735590274
Fffiiiinr, I I'll tell my dad then

Anyone else just assume dark worlds have a time dilation effect?

>>735590319
Blue waffle actually

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>>735589992
Kris has never removed us outside of the Dark World but that form would be the Vessel we made, obviously

>>735590386
Why would they? It's clear time passes normally in them since chapter 1.

>>735590165
>The antlers are *maybe* evidence,
It's the same fucking shape as the holidays, you're just being stubborn
>It leans more towards symbolism.
Symbolism for WHAT? Does it incidentally like Christmas?
>The bat imagery is symbolism.
Symbolism THAT SHE'S DESS. WHAT ELSE COULD IT MEAN?
>Kris knows who the knight is, but we have no idea how close they are.
Yes we do. The fight clearly establishes that Kris was literally willing to stab his own allies in the back for her, and literally kneels for her.
>We don't know that.
If the knight didn't know Gerson, then a Gerson darkner could not have been manifested. Darkners are conjured from the memories and feelings of those who open the fountain.
>Remember darkners exist on their own even without fountains.
No, they don't. Their backstories are completely fictional.

>>735590289
Oh you still think there's gonna be a design?

The knight being capable of creating dark worlds + the titan screams Lightner.
Notice how the knight doesn't change forms like darkners or lightners
you know what else doesn't change forms when entering dark worlds? (you)
(you) also seem anomalous. because you're an eldritch heart monstrosity, and because you can close fountains. Lightners can open fountains but only you can close them.
there's a connection between the Knight and (you), related to how the knight can seemingly still be the knight in the light world, just like (you) are still a heart faggot in the light world.
Maybe the Knight/the knife is a dark heart which gives dess/whoever keeps hiding in the rooms and playing knight is, and you're a light heart?

>>735590289
It'll just be a Thousand Sons situation where Dess' body is gone so we never get any kind of official look for her, and it's just her soul dust piloting the Knight Armor.

>>735590492
You don't understand how darkners work. They are conjured from the feelings attached to the objects, not to the fountain maker. Their existence is untied from fountains.

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>>735590289
Worst case scenario is her inheriting Carol's ugly face.

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>>735590165
The Knight has antlers for a reason and The Knight's weapon is a baseball bat for a reason. Claiming that this is "symbolism" and not real and physical is your own conjecture.
>we have no idea how close they are
They hold back against each other and tenderly touch each other's hands at the end of Chapter 4
>you don't know that was The Knight
Yes I do and so do you. There is no reasonable doubt about it.
>We don't know that
Yes we do, because otherwise the fountain that they created would not have been able to revive Gerson, like we saw with Susie's fountain.
>We also don't know that. Remember darkners exist on their own even without fountains.
Fountains reflect the will of their creator. The Fountains created by The Knight just happened to perfectly align with Kris's backstory for these same items, and the fountains themselves were conveniently created in these significant locations, for no apparent reason.
And The Knight's Dark Worlds just happen to perfectly align with Kris's own Dark World, when even someone as close to Kris as Susie creates a radically different one.
This is a story, it's not a coincidence.

Shadow crystals are tears shed by lightners over failed dreams. The roaring knight is literally made of that material, as we get the shadow crystal by chipping their sword which seems to just be a part of themselves taking the shape.

Therefore the Roaring Knight is the tears shed over Dess’ death manifesting in her shape to haunt them (but especially Kris who is no doubt responsible). But at the same time, they are NOT Dess. It would undermine the escapism/death of a loved one themes if there was any actual part of her there.

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>>735580009
I have yet to encounter a deltarune theory that convinced me in the slightest. They all start to fall apart as soon as you start asking questions. People inevitably end up making a bunch of assumptions to justify it, at which point it's just headcanon

>>735590629
I think that would be the most likely option because it both pleases the fans because every single design, from the ugliest fat bitch to the sluttiest goth bimbo could be canon, and also because it saves Toby from creating another design so he can be lazy

>>735590271
>then you can't call your story a mystery.
Nobody is doing that except you.
A "fair-play whodunnit" is a specific genre of detective fiction. The standards of that genre do not apply to every story that sets up information to be revealed at a later time in the story.

>>735588098
His attacks only do one damage (but ignore the timing rules)
He's the "weakest enemy" but one of the most challenging bosses in the game
You don't think he can break other rules?

>>735590193
The irony of you posting this when all that you faggots have been doing is regurgitating the same topic and images for months now

>>735590254
>Kris is clearly the underling in their relationship
In terms of power and authority, not judgement and planning.
>She can talk.
Not in a conventional way. Tenna probably could only understand her because he's literally a TV and could parse the fucked up titan static.
>Darkners can't make fountains or exist in the light world the way lightners can even if they have determination.
They can with a human soul, that was why Spamton tried to kill Kris
>Nobody in the holiday family is as tall, thin, and spiky as the knight.
Correct, the knight is a fucked up shadow monster, but one whose only distinct physical feature is a defining physical trait of the holiday family.
>It's armor looks like a mix of Papyrus's and Undyne the Undying with a thin Papyrus abdomen and torso to boot, long arms like Mettaton with Gaster's stigmata,
No it fucking does not, amalgamate tranny.
>Then why don't they just use they/them like you would for any other mystery?
To obfuscate that they understand its nature.
>what???
The knight has Kris's original soul. That's how it's so strong, how it can be in the light world, and how it can open fountains. It's also why Kris currently doesn't have a soul of his own and needed you to fill the role. Kris has a demonstrated ability to remove human souls from his body and the heart pillow thing implies he's had some understanding of this ability for most of his life.
>Look at the cutscene.
The cutscene shows Kris kneeling before the knight and it knighting him. It's a scene of deference and honor. No injury or animosity is implied.
>Maybe hiding in shadows but that's not Dessknight exclusive.
Nobody said otherwise
>I guess but the main theory is still wrong.
Nobody ever said it was LITERALLY just plain old Dess under the helmet. Somehow, she's a monster now. There is some fan art suggesting that it's literally just Dess's normal deer head under the helmet, but it's not meant to be taken as a presentation of her actual canon appearance.

>>735590775
Oh yeah? How about my theory mr Facts and Logic: Susie isn't actually purple, she is actually lilac

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>>735590319
Can you show any evidence of their nipples so we can test that?

>>735590662
Bro, that is literally symbolism. You can claim it's meaningful, but that doesn't make it hard evidence. Some people rightfully assume the horns are just part of the helmet.

>>735590310
Gerson being revived as a Darkner relied on his physical remains mixed with a cherished object ensouled with his dust being present in the Dark World, and Ralsei explains that this was only possible under very specific circumstances including the Dark World being created by someone close to Gerson. Even Castle Town's Grand Fountain, which can support every other Darkner, would not have been able to revive him if they took his remains there.
So "Dustners" are even more limited than a normal Dakrner, and absolutely cannot explain what The Knight is and does.

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>>735590775
FemKris theory remains uncountered to this day.

>>735590532
We don't change form because we're larping as Kris's soul. Souls don't change form.

>>735590969
>and Ralsei explains that this was only possible under very specific circumstances including the Dark World being created by someone close to Gerson.
(pssst)
(this is EXTREMELY BLATANT foreshadowing that the knight is a darkner based on Dess born from a fountain made by Kris)

>>735590793
Fair play whodunnits are the purest distillation of the mystery genre. You don't have to follow all of its conventions, but the more you do the better a mystery you have. Unanswered questions are not mysteries, as otherwise all works of fiction would qualify.

>>735591028
The shape of his head is wrong, he's already the cage, and he's a boy.

>>735590841
You can always just leave if you hate these threads or at least LARP as a theorist like the other schizo who hates these threads is doing right now.

>>735590909
Looks more mauve to me

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>>735590532
>Maybe the Knight/the knife is a dark heart
This reminds me of the official Deltarune merch which identifies this symbol as the "Darkheart" and directly quotes The Prophecy from Undertale in its description

>>735591028
Still unconvincing imo

>>735591170
The head shape doesn't precisely fit anyone. Kris fulfills the conditions to be both the girl and the cage. There's no evidence that he's a boy.

>>735591245
>>735590532
If (You) are the red heart and have light, what if the Dark Knight is an inversion of (You), a soul without hope, determination or light? It's the anti-player

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>>735591028
I grew to like this theory as it makes redditors and schizos mad plus you guys usually see Frisk and Chara as girls as well, but Toby being unwilling to gender his humans is still extremely unlikely.

>>735591206
I've considered that too, but when you look at the way she behaves, and the way her bedroom looks, I think there's a realistic chance that she's covered in a layer of dirt, not enough to look dirty, but just enough to slightly change her color

>>735591301
If Susie looks up she fits perfectly
>Kris fulfills the conditions to be both the girl and the cage.
Except he's a boy. Not that Toby would ever admit it, but he'd also never confirm he's a girl either. In large part because that would mean that almost every fucking major character in the story was a girl, and Toby's not THAT big of a faggot

>>735591245
It quotes Undertale's prophecy because that's literally the Delta Rune which is the symbol of Undertale's prophecy.

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>>735590962
>Bro, that is literally symbolism.
Bro, you are literally dismissing the direct evidence your own eyes are seeing because it has symbolic value

Noelle being crucified on a hand and her robes hanging like angel wings in this shot is "symbolism," it has non-literal narrative meaning which is open to interpretation
The Knight literally has antlers on its head and a baseball bat in its hand, that is not just imagery, these are actual facts that demand explanation

>>735591028
I watched your shitty video and the only evidence you gave is “well the mural KIND OF looks like kris” and “ well you can’t prove kris DOESN’T have a pussy” everything past that was pure headcanon

>>735591301
That particular schizo is obsessed with Kris being a boy because he can't empathize with Kris otherwise, he's trying to waste your time.

>>735589391
How low IQ and soulless do you have to be to not understand some things in the game are meant for the player to see and go "oooh!" while other things are meant to be seen by the characters in universe. Seriously, you are stupid.

>>735591480
>If Susie looks up she fits perfectly
Nope. Her hair doesn't fit. You also forgot the most important fact: Susie doesn't use a sword. Not only does the second hero use a sword, it's the exact same type as Kris.

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>>735591480
>if susie looks up
her hair curling upwards is the real tell that it isn't her, it's always portrayed as curving downwards past her headline

>>735591628
>You also forgot the most important fact: Susie doesn't use a sword.
She doesn't have a sword, yet, just like she doesn't have LOVE, yet.

>>735591301
>kris is the girl because the mural looks like him
>the prophecy panels aren’t meant to be taken literally
WHICH THE FUCK IS IT

>>735591738
meanwhile, a certain krisp in the back already has those things

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>>735591118
Darkners cannot leave the Dark World
Darkners cannot make Dark Fountains
>BUT WHAT IF IT'S LE DARKNER WITH KRIS'S SOULLLL
Then that's something different than what you were talking about and you're wasting my time

>>735591538
The antlers would be evidence if we knew they were real (not a helmet) and the knight couldn't shapeshift. Because it does it renders all visual clues suspect. Its weapon is also *explicitly* NOT A BAT. It's called the black knife. It's a sword. it *looks* kind of like a bat for 5 seconds. That's not evidence, that's symbolism.

If the knight's weapon was called the Black Bat, then yes, it would count. It doesn't. It's the Black Knife. The Black Bat is headcanon -- it's not real.

>>735591803
the former
the only actually abstract one is the cage, because the vessel is customizable

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>>735591301
>Kris fulfills the conditions to be the girl

>>735591803
To be fair Ralsei looks exactly like his prophecy panel.

>>735591803
They're abstractions. The general sentiments they portray are accurate, not the small details. The second hero explicitly uses Kris's sword. That's clearly intentional.

>>735591865
>The Knight dons an antlered helmet to frame the holidays
Kino

>>735591813
Kris does not have LOVE in any sense of the word

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>>735591028
>female
>major character
>can equip swords
>has an entire route dedicated to her
>LOVE finds its way to the girl
>"B-BUT WHERE ARE THE ANTLERS!?"
what antlers?

>>735591824
>Then that's something different than what you were talking about
No it fucking is not.

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>>735591940
Most they/thems are real life woman ;)

>the knight's weapon is called the Black Knife
>the only person we've seen use a knife is Kris

Holy shit. Kris Knight confirmed?

>>735591538
Based on that scene when queen shows that Kris, Susie, and Noelle can open fountains, they opened them in that order
This implies Noelle is gonna open one in ch5

>>735591301
>female
debatable
>finds 'love'
Lol
>hopeful
LMAO

>>735591865
>The antlers would be evidence if we knew they were real (not a helmet) and the knight couldn't shapeshift.
Why would the knight choose to wear antlers? To trick the PLAYER?
>Its weapon is also *explicitly* NOT A BAT.
Its weapons EXTREMELY BLATANTLY FIRST APPEARS AS A BAT and KRIS COMMENTS ON THIS

>>735592125
>FIRST APPEARS AS A BAT and KRIS COMMENTS ON THIS
Shit, sorry, I didn't know you had schizophrenia.

>>735592092
No, Kris IS the "blakened knife", it's literally the meaning of his name

>>735592017
kris possesses the heart shaped object that is associated with LOVE
people use the image of the girl + the heart to say that it's supposed to be noelle
if that is the case then the same can be applied to kris, especially since kris already has the soul

i miss being able to post femkris without the five remaining posters here strangling each other

>>735592092
kris has a white knife
it's the opposite of the knight's

>>735592125
>To trick the PLAYER?
this isn't impossible. team dark knows what they're up against and are already using kris as a containment method

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>>735591865
>The antlers would be evidence if we knew they were real (not a helmet)
The helmet cope (and it is cope) still demands explanation. Why is The Knight pretending to be a reindeer?
>and the knight couldn't shapeshift. Because it does it renders all visual clues suspect
This opinion makes a lot of sense if you're a midwit who doesn't understand how storytelling works.
>It's a sword. it *looks* kind of like a bat for 5 seconds
It's a bat that transforms into The Knight's weapon. That was a decision Toby Fox made with intent and purpose.
Pretending that it doesn't matter instead of trying to explain why that happens is simply cope.

>>735580009
there's more than one knight

>>735592017
>>735592115
Love is the red soul. Fiery red hearts represent love according to Undyne.

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>>735592221
just post it without mentioning the theory

>>735592062
Does Gerson have Kris's soul?
No?
Then that's not what you were talking about when you compared the situation to Gerson.

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>>735592221
Stop whining like a redditor and just post what you want.

>>735592092
Always was.

>>735592182
>kris possesses the heart shaped object that is associated with LOVE
He captured it, and holds it captive. He'll give it to a girl, as he has already given his "love" to a girl.
>people use the image of the girl + the heart to say that it's supposed to be noelle
It probably will be Noelle on the weird route
>if that is the case then the same can be applied to kris,
It can't because the soul didn't "find its way" to Kris, he took it, and also, again he's not a girl.

>>735592125
>and KRIS COMMENTS ON THIS
>Making shit up to make DessKnighters look bad.

>>735592221
I'm glad you're upset and I hope it gets worse.

>>735592172
>>735592501
Kris has a line where he remembers Dess hitting him in the head with a bat during the fight

>>735592054
Y'know female reindeer shed their antlers when pregnant

>>735592502
I think it's unironic reddit behavior. The redditor in the last few threads falseflagged as a Charaposter to complain how he couldn't post Chara because humanfags were annoying. I think they fear losing their precious karma even here.

>>735592328
You're conflating two different things I said.
Kris and/or Carol created the knight in a similar fashion to how darkner Gerson was brought into being
Then, Kris gave the knight his soul, making it very powerful and allowing it to move in the light world freely.

>>735592440
>again he's not a girl.
Source?

>>735592635
He hates when the humans are girls, duh.

>>735592635
Pick anyone one of the faggot redditor "they them" collages you want. Obviously he's a boy, but the game is also rock solid in its determination to not treat him as a boy or girl, so you can be certain it will not call him THE girl.

>>735592589
>The redditor in the last few threads falseflagged as a Charaposter to complain how he couldn't post Chara because humanfags were annoying
que

>>735592635
Toby cares about maintaining his reputation way too much for him to be willing to piss off his faggot fans by subverting the nonbinary Kris shit.

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>>735592182
>kris possesses the heart shaped object that is associated with LOVE
you mean the thing associated with the cage? the thing kris already started the game with making the future tense of "love FINDS its way" make zero sense. look man if you want to jerk off to fem kris porn you can just do that just stop pretending that toby is going to pull some shyamalan tier twist just to ragebait his retarded fans

>>735591028
you got any evidence BEYOND the mural?

>>735592930
>>735592704
It feels like Kris was designed to be a generic self-insert character like Frisk was, except immediately subverted.
I expect a narrative twist like Kris was the vessel all along, and objects don't have genders

>>735592740
Last thread a redditor got exposed for hating FemKris/humanfags, Kress and Noelle Knight.
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/735466847/#q735498656
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/735466847/#q735498752
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/735466847/#q735482596

He then got mad the entire thread and tried to deflect to saying those things are as bad as it, including posing as a Charafag but he used the same image with the same filename where he was seething over Noelle Knight before
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/735466847/#q735510051
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/733813468/#q733854309

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>>735593040
canonically has delicate princess hands

>>735593191
Oh yeah, it's wild Noelle has so many dialogs for items she can't equip... yet

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>>735593083
Frisk was also a subversion of self-inserts, just done at the end. Toby clearly subverted that at the start to play on the relationship between the player and the player character at the start. The colored in Kris theory is very interesting as well desu.

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>>735593191
>manlet can wear tiny gloves
shocker

>>735580009
Why is this just the White Glint but back and shadowed out?

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>>735592967
That's a nice human ass desu. I love this artist.

>>735593534
To be fair, Ralsei can't and he's the same size as Kris.

>>735593807
Ralsei has big furry monster paws

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>>735593534
manlet would still have man hands
manlets are also generally taller than 5'0" at 16 unless they're dwarves

>>735593274
See the biggest problem with any theory right now is that until we have all 7 chapters and get told things very explicitly, we just won't know what's true and what's not. Toby is very good at adding new information that recontextualizes everything.

Remember the ending of ch1 and we all thought it was a Chara moment? Then it turns out he just wanted pie. Then it turns out he might have been making a dark fountain offscreen, maybe? Or meeting someone? Even if we knew what he did right now, we don't know WHY.

>>735593834
We need to test if the Vessel could wear the gloves or not, then. Or another human.

>>735593996
the only things we for sure know kris did the night of ch1 was eat the pie and plug in the tv
everything else is baseless speculation

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>>735593904
>shorter than RALSEI grim

>>735593996
Yeah, we're at a tricky spot where we know enough that most patterns are broken but not enough we can predict future events because of what Toby can pull out.

>>735593904
>>735594129
Another reason it makes sense for Kris to be a girl. A girl that size would still be short, but reasonably so.

>>735594115
DessGODS own tourist redditors so they're based.

>>735594197
A 15 year old boy being 5 feet tall is completely reasonable. Also these aren't canon sizes, retard

>>735594237
Dessfags are redditors thoughbeit

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>>735594252
>a 15 year old boy being 5 feet tall is completely reasonable
maybe if he was a jeet, but he isn't, because toby based hometown on massachusetts in the late '90s/ early '00s and jeets were almost completely contained within convenience stores at the time

>>735594252
Kris being short and insecure about it is canon, though.

>>735594319
>Projection
The confirmed redditor in this threads literally seethed over Dess and Kressposting. It's confirmed 4chancore.

>>735592589
>>735593089
oh look, it's the schizo who thinks everyone is samefagging again

>>735594252
>A 15 year old boy being 5 feet tall is completely reasonable
Uh oh, we got a manlet here insecure over his height!

>>735594495
Well a 5 foot girl at 15 would not feel insecure about her height

>>735594669
Holy projection, Batman!

>>735594710
Some absolutely are, especially when they're the shortest in their peer group.

>>735594760
where's your evidence that i'm samefagging, then?

>>735594791
I didn't accuse you or anyone of samefagging, I accused the redditor of falseflagging and posted links of his exposed behavior from the last few threads. Very telling you felt attacked...

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>>735594115
Get your eyes checked gaylord

>>735594872
>Very telling you felt attacked...
I felt attacked because you baselessly accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being the same person.

>>735594970
I didn't do that at all this thread, and the redditor had beef with several posters, not just me. Now tell me who I am and what I argue again? Or are you ironically saying every Kressbro, humanbro and NoelleKnight schizo is the same person?

The NoelleKnight guy is boring because he doesn't defend it. You point out an obvious inconsistency and he just ignores it. It's not a real theory.

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You know I think the Rudy tiktok thing is pretty convincing but at the same time it feels kind of uncomfortable to me to imagine that Kris has this really intimate and attached relationship with the knight and that it's fucking Rudy.

Kris holding hands with Rudy just off screen.

Kris mimicking every single one of Rudy's poses.

Rudy having some kind of sadosexual relationship with Kris where he teasingly tilts his chin with a sword.

Kris getting the beeper from "[reindeer emoji] DADDY [hearts]" reminding him about the promise he made.

It's all uncomfortable to think about.

>>735595250
That's because the Knight isn't Rudy. Kris being close to Dess makes way more sense desu.

>>735595250
Rudy is already uncomfortably close with Asgore.

>thread devolves into shit flinging over if kris is the girl again
its going to be a long several months

>>735580009
The Roaring Knight is ___Me

>>735592273
>this isn't impossible
The Knight pretending to be Dess to trick You is completely absurd, the antlers and bat lead you directly to Dess's room which is exactly where Kris and Carol do NOT want you to go

>>735595648
Not if everyone would just tell that faggot to fuck off and kill himself

>>735595101
>I didn't do that at all this thread
Oh, so you admit to doing it.

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>>735595250
>Rudy having some kind of sadosexual relationship with Kris where he teasingly tilts his chin with a sword.
Anon, that was an edit. The Knight does not actually do that.

Knight identity discussion is always retarded because all of you retards talk about literal headcanon like its an objective fact

>>735595790
That's because we were given zero hard proof. You need headcanon to make it have even a lick of sense.

>>735595775
You think Rudy knighttards even played the game?

>>735595208
I think Noelleknight and FemKrisfag are the same person because both do this

>>735595775
Nice.

>>735595693
That's one way to interpret it, but no, I haven't in general, schizo-kun. I don't even know what you're talking about "disagreeing" with me so I assume you're just trying to start shit.

I wonder if the "Noelle is actually supposed to be your party member instead of Susie" theory will be verified soon. Or if it's going to take forever to be mentioned in any way. We've got 5 chapters of dialogue that shouldn't exist and the narrative continues to lead into something where Noelle forces herself into Kris's party, so it'd be an actual dick-crusher to save it as some last-minute reveal.

Fuck, imagine the 7 year olds in 2032 who get to just play this shit from beginning to end without the hassle.

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>>735595648
all the normal people left several months ago and /vg/'s to busy drawing spamtenna brap porn to make anything to tied us over. making these threads daily was a mistake

woody knight

imagine how much better these threads would be if gr13 were to be enforced

>>735595938
Rudy does have the most compelling evidence without using headcanon thoughbeit

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>>735596576

>>735596576
It's one of those cases where nobody knows the rule exists and it can't be enforced if the guy makes only one or two posts- even if redman or fucking jirenfag are spamming literally every thread with blacked porn and making it very clear it's them.

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>Rudy does have the most compelling evidence

>>735580009
Asriel is the Knight.

>>735596757
He does. The only way he doesn't is if you equate evidence with symbolism.

>>735596854
The evidence is vagueposting statements.

Lancer and Rudy need to have a end-all battle for best vagueposter who predicts the future.

>the guy who doesn't know what symbolism means is a Rudyknightfag
wow!

>>735596305
>in 2032 who get to just play this shit from beginning to end without the hassle
Part of the fun is the waiting and theorizing. Who cares if you can just click a wiki, then roaring knight, click spoiler, then see their identity

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Did anyone actually watch this shit? I refuse to on principle.

>>735597286
No but I'm going to assume it has to do with the theory that came up during Chapter 4's release about how Noelle's bathroom was described like "We even have a toilet." Which implies that Carol specifically renovated her house to include a toilet, just for Kris. Though I forget how the quote really goes.
And since there's only that throwaway line and the toilet jokes in chapter 2 you can safely ignore this shit and think about that.

>>735597494
Why is it so difficult for people to assume monsters shit in the Deltarune universe

>>735597553
It's really hard to tell what's diagetic and what isn't because the lines are so blurred that it's downright incomprehensible.

Toriel has only eaten pancakes and a pie in three days so you know that she takes tiny shits.

>>735597214
People who play the game without spoiling themselves would care. People are only saying the wait adds to the experience because they're just trying to see a silver lining to nearly 8 years of waiting.

>>735581467
Rudy is Gaster?

>>735597494
i thought noelle was just spilling her spaghetti because of susie
the school also has a toilet, as revealed by susie when kris confirms that he's flushed bath bombs before

By the way speaking of diagetic bathroom whatever nonsense.

>There's a lock on the oven
>There's even a lock on the freezer
>There's probably a lock on the fridge but it doesn't matter because Toriel doesn't put fucking anything in there

Why won't she let my boy fucking eat food.

>>735580009
DessKnightfags loses the CarolKnight matchup, though. Without just going off of pure vibes and themes, DessKnight sounds fucking schizophrenic

>>735598298
Kris is one of those selective autistic kids who refuse to eat normal nutritious food but will devour sweet stuff

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>>735598298
Cause he's a fucking gremlin who ate a whole damn pie

>>735598298
It's implied that's a thing of the past at the beginning of Chapter 2.

>>735598414
>>735598416
Yeah this totally explains why there's NOTHING. Actually NOTHING. Just NOTHING. EMPTY. There's NOTHING in that DAMNED fridge despite her going to the grocery store EVERY DAY to SUCK on SANS' FAT FUCKING BONER.

>>735598409
dess knight is the immediate knee jerk reaction unless you're a brainlet who fell for carol being antagonistic towards susie
i don't blame people for believing it, but it's pretty shaky once you actually start thinking about it

>>735598471
are we still on fridge autism?

>>735598449
The lock on the freezer is still there. And it's not implied to be a thing of the past, she says, "Do I have to lock the oven again?" Like a playful threat. I don't think if someone said, "Do I have to hit you again?" You'd think it was just a one-time past event.

>>735589760
>The Knight must be "that girl" who played make-believe with Kris, alluded to by Ramb
thats noelle tho

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>>735598471
>There's NOTHING in that DAMNED fridge
The line is
>* (The fridge. A bottle of ketchup stands defiantly inside.)
There is a bottle of ketchup in the fridge. It "stands defiantly" because Sans is there and hasn't drank it yet, or because Sans placed it there and Kris noticed because it's not supposed to be there, like with the sink and cabinets being cleaned up.
Nothing about this statement implies that the ketchup is the only thing left in the fridge.

>>735589760
>The Knight must be "that girl" who played make-believe with Kris, alluded to by Ramb
>queen goes NOELLE NOELLE NOELLE NOELLE non-stop during chapter
>im supposed to believe that instead of hanging out with asriel, dess hung out with kris every day after school and played make believe with him (despite being years older), while noelle just sat in a corner or something
dess knight can work without this retarded detail

>>735598471
>Yeah this totally explains why there's NOTHING. Actually NOTHING. Just NOTHING. EMPTY. There's NOTHING in that DAMNED fridge
You are a retard and sans didnt eat kris's waffles

Are we entering the schizophrenia era of theorizing? You people are hallucinating details that do not exist.

>>735590662
That isn't a bat, its a syringe.

>>735589274
cool blackened knife (black knife in the files) (black knife by toby fox plays after this)

>>735599104
>are we entering the schizophrenia era of theorizing
no, that was the ch2 era
honestly the theories have been more grounded these past months, they actually use info that's actually stated in game instead of blind speculation

>>735599239
But... MIKE......

>>735598537
Yeah.

>>735598662
I think the stark difference between, "There's food in the fridge" and Kris solely commenting "Some faggot put a ketchup bottle in here" and leaving it at that ought to mean something. We're talking about a guy who eats lichen.

>>735598932
He probably did.

>>735599104
>Schizophrenia era of theorizing
What? That was always the case.

>>735590662
>The Knight's weapon is a baseball bat for a reason
Black Knife by Toby Fox

>>735599262
ch2 era theory

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>>735598889
>queen goes NOELLE NOELLE NOELLE non-stop during chapter
We're talking about Chapter 3, which is about Kris's home and personal life, where Dess casts a huge shadow over everything, and Noelle conspicuously does not get mentioned at all
Every time Kris and Noelle's relationship comes up, it's pointed out that they're not really that close and Noelle isn't even sure if they're friends
We repeatedly hear about how Noelle used to be a crybaby when she was little and tagged along with everyone, Kris and Asriel and Dess. The only in-game anecdote we have from Noelle about a one-on-one interaction with Kris in their childhood was them awkwardly being forced onto the Ferris wheel together, where Kris just stared out the window until they shook the cart to scare her.

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suselle doesnt happen
dess isnt the knight
mike is real and chapter 5 newsletter proved it
burgerpants wont suddenly turn gay for nice cream fag
weird route will be a short segment in chapter 5, like chapter 4

By schizophrenia I'm not talking about making shit up using creative imagination. I mean hallucinating details that do not exist in the text and basing a theory on that. There's one guy here who's doing that. He hallucinates false details and uses them as proof for his headcanon. It's like a hallucinating AI.

>>735599538
>a Toby Fox character won't be gay
Come on man, it has to be a little bit believable.

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>>735599607
>There's one guy here who's doing that.
Only one?

>>735580009
>P-p-please don't disprove my gay and delusional headcanon
Desskeks...

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>>735599152
>>735599237
>>735599306
You only needed to reply once, anon

whoever knight actually ends up being, comedy ends up winning, looking forward to the fallout from the madmen either way
>knight is december
'muh subverted expectations' crowd gets bootyblasted over how a mysterious antlered foe ended up being a holiday girl who disappered under mysterious circumstances
>knight is literally anybody else
mike 2.0 outrage over toby ABANDONING and BETRAYING their headcanon, followed by the realization that fandom made up an OC waifu that is getting zero screentime and is just a complete fanartist fabrication

future's looking bright in 202X boys!

>>735599506
I've always interpreted the active effort to downplay Noelle and Kris's relationship as some form of cope from Noelle and Kris's actual attempt to put distance between them because he does care about her.

I've seen someone frame chapter 2 as, "These two pretend they don't care about each other but then they're put on a date and they're riffing off each other like old friends." And it's true. Kris and Noelle fall into a natural rhythm together. They have in-jokes. They're comfortable with each other. Kris shows her his weird autistic retard side just like he does with Susie.

But you know, the Ramb line does stand out to me. It's really asking the player, "Who is Kris closer to, Dess or Noelle?" and saying it's plot relevant. Especially after, yeah, a chapter of Dess build up.

>>735590662
Bats aren't pointed tard

>>735596305
>I wonder if the "Noelle is actually supposed to be your party member instead of Susie" theory will be verified soon.
It's actually literally the opposite. The point of the weird route is to play the game the way Noelle plays videogames: intentionally doing a weird, unintended strategy (in this case, taking a temporary party member and grinding levels with them until they can beat the final boss solo) just because it's fun to break the rules.