Defend this
>>735601137thats easy:>banjo-kazooie nuts and bolts is an underrated masterpiece that was ahead of its time>breath of the wild eased players into this kind of gameplay so TOTK could run through the door>if we had a mainline banjo platformer again people would warm up to nuts and bolts>jontron made a bad video where he played the first 20 minutes and assumed the game was badits literally that fucking simple, if you think otherwise you are the reason jews call us cattle.
>>735601137can you post a comparison of water vs water instead of mud swamp vs watersome of us don't remember what the water in totk looks likethanks OP
>>735601137Banjo was on Nintendo once
both games were made worse by straying from their core design
Left: A metroidvania that decided to become an open world game with gimmicksRight: A platformer that decided to become an open world game with gimmicks
>>735601137In NnB, the vehicle shit was 98% of the game's content.For Tears, it's only 10%.
N&B is a good game
>>735601665>a metroidvania
>>735601137totk looks much better than the other generic shit unironically
>>735601478it's comparing the object grab mechanic not the water
>>735601137I'm fine with Nuts & Bolts being a car game, is it actually decent or is Jon being overdramatic?
>>735602694We've all been there.
>>735602120>redditfrog
>>735601750It's crazy how often TotK goes out of it's way to offer options for people who don't want to spend time building things.I have to imagine most of the people who complain about it simply never played the game.
>>735601137All of that is pointless anyways
>Build tank>Boss roars and it falls apartcool building
>>735602891If it's not fun, then there's no point in interacting with it. And 90% of TOTK is just not fun. Building gmod vehicles to kill trivial mobs for 50 hours is boring as sin.
>>735601137i had fun.
>>735603058So don't? You genuinely don't have to build any kind of vehicle to beat ToTK.
>>735603058The whole point is YOU don't have to interact with it if YOU don't find it fun. If you just hate the open world gameplay in general then that is a whole different conversation.
>>735602807The chaos engine lives
>>735603058there are lots of ways to have fun, but some people are just deliberately salty bitches, intent on wasting and ruining their own time instead of just having fun.
>>735603143>>735603136If I don't do that, then there's nothing to do. game is pretty bad at offering incentives.
>>735601248I hate that people think NnB was bad. Back in the day there wasn't a shit ton of YouTube video grifters or Twitter accounts to vocalize their shit opinions.
>>735603220Have you tried actually playing the game?
>>735602730Its more like "build a device to defeat this puzzle". I loved it. It also looked extremely unique compared to the majority of shit on 360.
>>735603220Thanks for proving my point (>>735602891) correct.
>>735603248>>735603339What am I missing? I hate the combat for being easy, I hate the story for essentially being rehashed from BOTW (which was badly written to begin with), I hate exploring because there's nothing interesting to find. Where's this "amazing 10/10 masterpiece" that people are gloating about? I gave nu-Zelda 50 hours of my life, and to be honest I want a refund.
>>735601248fbpb
>>735603398>I hate exploring because there's nothing interesting to find.some people are just incapable of having fun.
>>735601137I watched someone play Nuts n Bolts. The vehicle creation looked good, but the gameplay was ass.
>>735603470I have far more fun exploring in other sandbox/open world games. TOTK and BOTW just missed the mark.
I fucking hate flying in totk
>>735603506then you're being disingenuous or biased or something.
>>735603841I'm still waiting on what's so exciting in the game. every webm shown so far ITT was just building vehicles to kill enemies that were already easy to beat, or doing something stupid like putting koroks on a roasting spit. Where's the gameplay?
>>735603921the fun of exploration is not as flashy, and a big part of it comes from choosing goals and then seeing the journey through to get there. emerging from narrow places only to have a sprawling vista is not the end all be all of the fun and glory of exploration. seeing the intricacies of places, their setups, treasures/items, and npc/enemy populations/encounters is not something easily captured in video format. play the game or watch an extended letsplay.
>>735603921>Where's the gameplay?also, its a children's game. a lot of the gameplay comes across as pretty pathetic. however, many people are still capable of finding fun in games, even if they arent "hardcore" with mature themes and complexity.
>>735601137Rare used to be Nintendos bitch
>>735604203TOTK had none of that, though.
>>735602730>Jonwho
>>735604392by being the same map, it has just as much as botw. by having caves, sky islands, and even the dull and samey depths, it objectively has more than botw. they are both wonderfully crafted.
>>735601137The defense rests.
>>735604650>by being the same map, it has just as much as botwBOTW had nothing interesting either. I hated both games equally.
>>735601248>if we had a mainline banjo platformer again people would warm up to nuts and boltsI think that was the main problem. Nuts and Bolts got announced and everyone immediately bashed Microsoft for being stupid and wasting the IP by not putting out a platformer. And honestly, they were probably right. The timing wasn't right.
>>735601137Sure thingTears of the kingdom is a good gameNuts and bolts is shit
>People are trying to paint Nuts and Bolts as a master piece to defend their open world Zelda DLC
>>735601137God forbid games use mechanics pioneered by other games, now lets hear your brilliant defense on why Palworld is ripping Pokemon off, or why no other dev can make collectathons because Mario did it first.
>>735604701then my point stands that you're retarded and incapable of fun. if you cant find the exploration fun, then you dont find exploration fun to begin with. if you find exploration fun in other games but not zelda, then you're disingenuous and biased for some weird reason. your hate boner only makes you look like a clown and signals to everyone that you are not worthy of basic respect due to your mental deficiencies.
>>735604814For exploration to be fun, it has to present some kind of challenge. In both games you trivialize it completely with a hundred different mechanics, so there's no point in even trying. >just fly everywhere>eat stamina shrooms >never have any kind of challenge>backtracking? Nah have 120+ free fast travel points that you didn't earn (walking to a point does not mean you earned it ffs)>combat is optional>just avoid enemies>never have to worry about anything>never worry about inventory limitations, only your weapons are limited, and enemies drop crappy weapons every 5 seconds>you can hold an infinite amount of everything else, and even 3 pages of healing items>death, if you ever even see the dead screen, has no consequenceTOTK amplified this even more.>have vehicles that just fly over the landscape>no obstacles whatsoever>enemies are just baffled and act like morons if they see you flying>maybe one or two will actually roar and break your vehicle, but it's not like it matters>explore for more trivial puzzles and korok poopI've played far better sandbox/open world games that had a better game feel and game loop.
>>735604998go play celeste then, troon.
>>735601665>Zelda>a metroidvania
>>735605312Oh my jeffre Cantu Ledesma, now THIS is artistry.
>>735602758>>735602694>>735602658>>735602807>>735602843>>735602976>>735603014>>735603071based>>735602934cringe
>>735601137>Defend thisno BotW tendie has never even seen an xbox360, let alone play a game from it
>>735601137I didn't realize it was BK HAHAHA
>>735606302>>735606287>>735605312>>735604998>>735604782Nice sametrannying, Eric
theyll probably do it better. Lik an actual mech or death machine that isnt another laser machine.
>>735601137You got it, boss.
>>735605334You keep pooping the peepeepoopoo
>>735601137You still can do Zelda things in ToTK, You can't do banjo kazooie things in nits and bolts
>>735606376is Eric here right now?>>735606394KEKEKKE
>>735606442Nice sametrannying, Eric
>>735601137pretty easy.snoys are still ass mad that TotK is a 10/10.Get fucked.-80,000karma to sony.
>>735602758very cool anon
Bros I miss besiege threads
>>735601137If you take away vehicles then NnB becomes a giant empty world you have to walk
>>735603014that's just mean anon.Don't bully Koroks.
>>735603921kill yourself sealiontranny.you triple nigger.
>>735606709yawn
>>735606887Nice sametrannying, Eric
>>735606579I miss my mom
>>735601137Defend what? Banjo and Kazooie is fucking dead
>>735601137Simple: In B-K: NnB, vehicles have to be put together to specific parameters in a dedicated garage interface and cannot be modified outside it. In TOTK, you can stick shit together in any way you see fit, whenever and wherever you choose.
>>735602694>Hey look how hard I can pee
>>735607143me too, anon
>>735601137Why don't you defend being such a faggot first?
>>735610345I cant defend you, sorry champ
>>735601137its a tech demo game, what is there to defend
