EarthBound Thread Please?
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>>735695013Stuff that toby fox straight up ripped off>determination (courage)>chimeras>crazy scientist>aliens with quirky different fonts>forgotten manWhat am I missing?
>>735695013i tried playing this one summer got bored with the grinding
>>735695013Sure. Where do you want to start? I played it from Summer 2022 to Spring 2023. I knew about it when it came out but was turned off by the graphic style and was fully into the 3D craze of 95-96.Anyways, I played it and loved it. Absolutely loved it. Humor was there. Music was there. Charm and graphics were there. Combat is simple but deep and not easy. You can't really just spam attacks like in FF. Items have to be rationed. It's a long game too. My complaints, like most, is the cumbersome text and waiting of the inventory system. Makes it a complete waste of time and pain in the ass to move stuff around, and I'd say a good couple percent of your playthrough is going to be eaten up by not being unable to skip through text you've seen a hundred times before.Also, the story sucks. I don't care since after a while I just cared about the gameplay and awesome locations you go to, and the story was just an excuse for that. Don't expect something like FF6.Overall I give it an 8.6/10. Absolute must play, and one of the best JRPGs out there.
>>735695490>determination (courage)Concepts are now patented schizo-kun?
>>735695013Isn't it weird how no one in the West gave a shit about this in the 1990s, and now people pretend it's a top five Super Nintendo game? I do wish I had bought every copy from the bargain bins back then though, who could have guessed in a couple decades people would proclaim it a masterpiece and be selling it on eBay for $300+ each?
>>735695013Everyone memes about Earthbound clones but what other media genuinely gives off the same feeling as it?
>>735696282Uh... try well over $5k SEALLED. Complete it goes for over $2k.
>>735695013What’s left to say that hasn’t been repeated for the past 15 years?
>>735696282Dude, the switch library is all wii u ports and the concept of terrible marketing of good vidya is apparently beyond you.
Deltarune better
I've played this game three times and I still love the whole experience.It does however weird me out that there's no real physical way to reach Summers.
>>735695013Still the best JRPG on the SNES
>>735698364FF4-6. CT. SoM. Terranigma and Soul Blazer. Earthbound. All could be called the best and I wouldn't blink and eye. Never liked Super Mario RPG. Should I give it a chance?
No, do not bring the Mother series into the normalfag Eye of Sauron. Nothing good ever comes of it
I'm gonna murder whoever's responsible for this shitty ass fucking map
>>735698652everyone knows about Mother retard
>>735696252>woow it seems limd your Courage literally allowed you to rewrite history and survive impossible odds>halloween hack>determinationYeahh... just a vague concept
>>735695013My favorite game of all time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltnBMN_XsNI&list=RDltnBMN_XsNI&start_radio=1
>>735696150>Also, the story sucksI don't necessarily disagree but what about it was so bad in your opinion?
I just finished playing Mother (NES) yesterday, it was fun.Did the trick where you keep the robot alive to the ending by letting that story battle pass 255 turns.
>>735695013No. These games BROKE me.
>>735699040Shut the FUCK up. They are tangentially aware, but most zoomers and alphoomers that pretended to like it for a year have already gone back to Toby's gay rip off. Let them stay there
Earthbound fans…https://youtu.be/vniPtX1PQ7g?t=58
>>735695490>>735699134
>>735698921huh so this is what inspired gen 5 dogshit Victory road
>>735695013I've been playing Mother 2 Deluxe recently. It's a romhack of Earthbound that makes it more difficult and adds a bunch of new content. Been pretty fun so far.
>>735699278The over arching story sucks. All the little individual ones are good. Gygas being some alien coming to destroy the world trope, and then friendship and melodies from shrines at the end defeating him? No great plot twist or reveal. Nothing about Ness's father potentially being Gygas which is where I thought the story was going. Just a letdown in cliches.
>>735700052>Nothing about Ness's father potentially being Gygas which is where I thought the story was goingI have never heard anyone ever think thiswhat the fuck
>>735700052>Gygas being some alien coming to destroy the world trope, and then friendship and melodies from shrines at the end defeating him? No great plot twist or reveal. Nothing about Ness's father potentially being Gygas which is where I thought the story was goingDidn't play Mother 1 award. Your average "Mother" fan, everyone.
>>735700052>Nothing about Ness's father potentially being Gygas which is where I thought the story was going. lmaohave you played Mother 3? it has the star wars reference you're looking for
>>735695013Adventure kino > Melodrama slopMother 2 > Mother 3Shrimple as
>>735699605classic
>>735699754How difficult? Haven't played in years
>>735700052That's a lot worse than I expected. Giygas played on peoples fear and selfishness, multiplying their negative emotions to control them. He himself acted out of fear and hatred. Ness went to the sanctuaries to understand himself, what made him feel happy and full of love, and overcame Giygas's evil with purity of heart and a desire for everyone to be alright. This is told through the lens of a coming of age, because young people can grow up feeling loved and cared for and put that back into the world as adults, or abused and fearful and repeat that cycle. The story is very, very simple, arguably to a fault, but you managed to somehow miss it entirely and, thinking you're smarter than you actually are, set up weird expectations that of course failed. Nothing suggested Ness's dad would be fucking giygas, lmao. Oh well.
>>735700292
>Earthbound's story is bad because it isn't written like a generic sci fi movie where Giygas is Ness's father for some reasonThat's a new one
>>735700292>>735700373
I want to follow strange women into hotels
>>735700052If Nesses dad was Giygass, how did he give you money?
>>735700052The series is called Mother for a reason, bro. It literally loses the will to fight in the first one after you sing his foster mum's lullaby to him. Then he goes off to a parallel dimension (probably) where he's defeated by kids who are very similar to the first universe's, with the power of friendship/connections that it never had. And in 3 the only thing it had left was an asshole abusive kid who tried to control it and it had to be put out of its misery.
>>735700737Space bucks
>>735695490>>735696252Place your betsIs Deltarune gonna end up like Homestuck 0.5 or Omori 2?
>>735700183>I have never heard anyone ever think this>what the fuckBecause you never see your dad and he is always sending you money which helps you reach the end of the game. I thought a good twist would be that it was Gygas trying to get you to him for some reason. Would have been a nice twist.>>735700194>Didn't play Mother 1 award. Your average "Mother" fan, everyone.>>735700237>lmao>have you played Mother 3? it has the star wars reference you're looking forCorrect. Nope haven't played any others.>>735700371Maybe I'm just too cynical but I thought it was really lame and cliche, "love and possitivity conquers all.">>735700737He was a powerful being. I'm sure he could have managed the logistics.
>>735700052>no great plot twist or revealI wish I could ban people who think like this from media consumption
>>735696150Mogs the shit out of chrono triggerNot a high bar tho
>>735700835Almost every RPG I played in the 90s had one or more. Earthbound being even more weird and out there, I thought surely some kind of mindfuck was going to come at the end.
>>735700825it's a game for literal children, or at least the child still residing deep within an adult. Read a book nigger.
>>735700825>plays Mother TWO (2)>"ermmm why isn't the story that I have no background on or understanding of not like my headcanon? bad writing!"shiggy
I'm playing Mother in Japanese. I never knew the New Age Retro Hippy was just an onii-san in Japan, it's so weird.
>>735700825Not one line in his calls imply anything about him losing his body to become pure evil. The twist could only work if there was anything to set it up. I don't have a clue how you can think that without some book in the Dads shelf titled "alien communication" or something.
Ness is so lucky...
>>735701048>>735700825Even the fucking avgn had a better and more interesting interpretation of the storyLmao
>>735701103
>>735699754did you play the 2.0 or 3.0 version?
>>735699754As long as you dont play the dogshit MOTHER 1 Anniversary edition we are fine
>>735695013I'll just FUCKING SAY ITIT'S KINO
>>7357012013.0. I read the reviews for 2.0 and they were pretty mixed so I was hoping 3.0 fixed the problems with balance and grinding people had
Should I buy the physical English versions bootlegs for the GBA on aliexpress? Are the translations in the bootlegs good?I want to play on the CRT via the Game Cube.
>>735695013Tried to play it recently after hearing how beloved it is. Holy shit it's so boring.
>>735701605ok
>>735701172
>>735700968It happens in America anyway so it's basically a hippy. Ninten is 12 and just thinks it's some guy though.
>>735699215Girl on the violin is exceptionally hot. God I want to hump her unf unf unf
>>735701801I remember a few years ago some drawfag made this.
I downloaded a trojan virus on my pc trying to play this as a kid. I was too stupid to truly understand how emulators worked.
>>735700052>>735700825>muh twist!The Game of Thrones audience. Don't you love modernity and consumers?
>>735700895You mean like Final Fantasy?
>>735701982game of thrones has very few twists thougheverbeit, shocking moments yes, but twists, no because the story was dumbed down for tv audienceasoiaf on the other hand, thats a twisty story
>>735699754>that burger shop they added to Moonside>tons of npcs outside and inside the building are obsessed with eating moon burgers>if you talk to the npcs many of them will tell you how much pain they are in but they can't stop eatingThat part actually kinda disturbed me.
>>735702217They're both dumb.
I will never get over the name entry for Mother. There's no way this was acceptable even in 1989.
>>735701172>literally shoving his face into her assabsolute legend, that ness
Paula should have gotten the blues.
>played only the middle game in the series>criticize and offer lukewarm dogshit opinion about things you don't understand >everyone calls you out for being a retardThis thread will be how the next anti-mother schizo is born. Mark my words.
>>735702272Oh wow, they added ideas from the Mother 2 novel?
>>735702361>next anti-mother schizoDid they finally ban that MOTHER 3 spammer who was spamming hate threads for years?
>>735702381They added a lot of stuff to that romhack. some little things were adding names to the NPCs textboxes if they had them. I didn't even know the Runaway 5 had individual names like Lucky or Nice. Or that Poo's master's name was Full House
>>735702452Possibly. Haven't seen him in awhile. Maybe he got bored and moved onto another series that triggered his autism
beat Earthbound 4 times, once as a kid on SNES, twice on emulation and 1 time on SNES classic, didn't get the sword of kings as a kid, first time I emulated I grinded under Stonehenge until lvl 90 then gave up, second emulation playthrough I ignored it, then on SNES classic I got 2 just walking through the dungeon
>>735701368>>735699754Did it fix the balance then?I've been interested in it but hear, like a lot of game overhaul mods, it's just bullshit difficulty intended for autists because it was made by them.I'd just want to have a good time, not have to sleuth out the one and only strategy that cheeses the boss, otherwise they'll tear you apart
>>735702381Was a casino in Summers also in a novel or some other obscure piece of extended universe lore? I can't really tell with this romhack if it's totally original or based on some preexisting idea.
Ness, call your mom. She's got "POOP" ready for you.
>>735695013Somebody wanna explain what the happy happyists were doing with Paula all that time?
>>735696282>it weird howIt's because, they way it was marketed, was with an enormous "Player's Guide" magazine and cost an extra $30.That NOPEd a lot of buyers.
Can anyone help with this? >>735701587
I still have the cartridge and the strategy guide that it came with
>>735702869I haven't played 2.0, only 3.0. But from what I've seen the balance isn't totally retarded. It's definitely way more difficult than the base game, and grinding is kind of a necessity.Mainly because they lowered your stat growth and increased the stats of the enemies significantly.As you can see my Ness is level 62 and his defense is quite a bit lower than what it would be in vanilla. I haven't beaten the 5th sanctuary boss yet btw. I'd say the toughest parts by far are the optional boss fights. Those can be some real bullshit RNGfests.
>>735696150I wouldn’t say the story sucks but it’s not exactly breaking the mold plot wise. It’s a very basic Saturday morning version type of tale. Mother 3 has a way better story imho
>>735703438>but it’s not exactly breaking the mold plot wisewhich is fine, not everything needs to be groundbreaking or whatever. a simple well written story is still good even if it's cliched
>>735703298do not play Mother 1+2
>>735701294I don't like the combat systemBut at least it has the best version of Megalovania
>>735703143mr carpainter was in the porky files
I BELIEVE THE MORNING SUN
>>735703584>have this on my modded 3dsHuh? Why?
>>735702351What makes this scenario so appealing?
Why is Ness so popular with girls?
>>735703908Young male power-fantasy insert. Frankly, as a feminist, I find it disgusting.
>>735702351>>735703846>people like evil cultist Paula
>>735701587don't support chinks get a flashcart instead
>>735701294I like the music and characters well enough but this game is so damn slow
>>735703986
Slime generator my beloved
If you don't own Tomato's book about Earthbound's localization then you need to watch your tone with me.
Paula love
>>735703986>Frankly, as a feminist, I find it disgusting.You are a jaded soul with no pure love in your heart.
>>735703584Why?I want to play on a CRT, that's the easiest and best way for me.
She has a surprising amount of character for a girl with so few lines.
>Ninten and Ana are Ness's parentshow do you feel about this idea
>>735704141I have a flashcart that I got second hand in a bundle but it came without the sd card and I heard that if you don't use a specific version of software they get ruined. I have no idea how to find out what kind of software to use and where to get it.Either way, I like the idea of getting cartridges for each game. They don't cost that much.
>>735704856Depressed because it means they split up
>>735696282>anon discovers a cult classic for the first time
>last name is Polestar>pole starhmm
>>735704839Indeed
>>735704856Mother takes place in 1988 and Mother 2 is in the 90s, so Ninten would have to have impregnated Ana at a very young age for this to be possible
>no pk beam
my first girlfriend's name was Paula
Whatever happened to that Paula game?
>>735705192Dangerous
>>735705718>Paula is acting strange...>Paula SMAAAASHes Ness!
well it was a good thread while it lasted
You know I adored Earthbound and enjoyed it a lot minus the tedious parts but I still have fond memories of it, but for some reason I can't get into Mother 3, I've started it like 3 times now.
>>735706060What's wrong anon?
>>735701731desu ka
>>735695490*ahem*
>>735705607Where is this from? The players guide?
>>735700820Both. Both at once. Yes, it's possible.
>>735705151Ackchyually her last name is Jones, Polestar is the kindergarten's name and I hate that
He'll come back, right?
>>735695013Mother 1 is great if you can stomach the gameplay. Earthbound is trash, it just repeats the story beats of 1 while completely fumbling all of them.
>>735695490>forgotten manwho?
>>735709610Ba dum tsss
>>735696282smash bros did what NOA's marketing couldn't do
>>735698565why would you like every Square SNES RPG but SMRPG? Like what causes that?
>>735699754I love Mother 2 Deluxe. I did an Insane mode run a few weeks ago on 3.0, it was great except for a few things>exploding enemies really need to be fixed, being forced to run from them on Insane is lame. Give us some way to disarm them or something or reduce the number of them>why is every fucking boss resistant to Freeze and elemental PSI in general? Paula can barely do any damage herself. I have to give her Bombs and Super Bombs, or she's on Offense Up/Defense Down duty
>>735705845Kek
>>735710586I did not like having to time each hit. It made the game go from a turn based action game to an action game that constantly required timing. It's exhausting when you just want to sit back and play slow and relaxing.
Paula was unironically my first vidya crush
>>735711620That's more common than you might think
they should have put Wario in Earthbound
https://baraag.net/@TheEvilFallenOne/112011878293933323
>>735695013I don't like Earthbound as a whole very much, but there are elements of it I do like quite a lot. I love the many creative set pieces, scenarios, character designs, areas, and music. I know that a lot of people shit on it for its art style, but I love it. I also love its quirkiness. And I love the climax of the final battle. I also do like this quirky RPG "genre" it spawned. But it's just that the core gameplay loop sucks, and outside of this pleasant quirky quality and the climax the writing is just not good. All the characters are one-note and bland with no actual personality to speak of. The game is also too long. After playing for a while it just becomes a chore.
>>735712256it's like the mario walk cycle upgrade gone sexual
>>735704856Also impossible because neither Ness' Mom or The Phone demonstrate any psychic powers.
>>735702969>Was a casino in Summers also in a novelIIRC is was in the mother 2 novelization. Where Jeff plays Russian roulette with the proprietor to win the ship they need to get to Scaraba.
>>735704856I completely go with that and Dr. Andonuts being LloydIf you really stretch things it can technically work.
>>735701294Played this recently. It's actually pretty good.One of the few mother fangames/successors that have actually been finished.If you're a die-hard fan it's definitely worth playing
>>735713685>Where Jeff plays Russian roulette with the proprietor to win the ship they need to get to Scaraba.When he what
>>735700825>Because you never see your dad and he is always sending you money which helps you reach the end of the game. I thought a good twist would be that it was Gygas trying to get you to him for some reason. Would have been a nice twist.
>>735709290Was this shit still not finished?
>>735714723He's been on the Diamond Dog fight for four years.So close, and yet there's still a good chunk of the game to go
whatever happened to "mother 4?"
>>735695490I'm not denying the accusations, but why people feel offended about this when Mother/Earthbound itself is as bad about this?They took so many songs and just ripped off Pippi Longstocking nearly 1:1
>>735715154The entire blues-band-needs-10,000-dollars plotline is also just Blues Brothers.
>>735714978the team pretends it's still in development by posting comics sometimes
>>735711620Was there something about her, or was it just that you were young and she was the pretty girl companion. Cuz to be honest, she has pretty much no personality, nothing interesting happens with her.
>>735715154>>735715343>Pokemon is the byproduct of Pippi Langstrump and Blues BrothersInsane.
>>735715637pokemon and undertale are byproducts of the beetles and chuck berry
>>735715154Itoi wasnt a gigantic faggot and shoved himself everywhere, for starters
>>735715905itoi was already an established media person by that pointhe even has a fishing game with his name for whatever reason
>mother 3 will be 20 years old in less than a monthwhere the FUCK does the time go?
>>735715956don't try to reason with that anon, you won't be able to remove toby fox's permanent residence in his head
>>735715154A lot of things do this. People who don't create find it really easy to point out any example as being unoriginal though. The only time I say something definitely ripped something else off is if it doesn't iterate on a previously done idea at all. MOTHER and Undertale both do a good job of reusing pre-existing concepts to create a new experience.
>>735707169MOTHER 2 manual.
>>735716061huh that sounds wrong because i didnt realize i played it so close to the release
>>735715606I will stop bothering to ask why do the Oddity team doesnt just admit game is vaporwave.I will just ask this then: Why not just make a comic or visual novel, if a true game never ever? Its a waste to do nothing with the designs and this artist talent.
>>735715606how woke will the final product be?
>>735703828>>735704676The MOTHER 1+2 version of MOTHER is fine-ish, I guess, but they bungled the music of MOTHER 2 so badly I consider it unplayable.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpNUf-BVJ2Qhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swY5aDWroUQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyRbAWn0F6Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P9vOWjviuEand the originals for reference:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bv3FNj1mhshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7Rx4wCKQu8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPNQRDzanHQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzY3EHPtIBs
>>735721808the sound for Mother is pretty bad too, the sound effects in particular make my ears bleed
>>735721808I wonder if that was the dev's fault or the GBA hardware's
>>735721808Eh I don't give a shit about this autism.
why does the english version load so slowly?
>>735722218>caring about the music in a series known for its good music>autismok retard enjoy your needlessly worse experience
>>735722765I can play the pysical copy for cheap on a crt. I'd say your experience is worse than mine.
>>735723087probably on a gamecube controller with the official gb player disc? that's an awful experience. you aren't even playing it portably so you're just making your experience worse for no reason when it's 2026 and there are thousands of better ways to play these games
>>735723604Cope and projection, they often go hand in hand.I have a modded Cube and an rgb cable, so great quality. What now, sister? Your way of playing the game is worse.
>>735723604anon, think of it this way. is it funnier that some guy is out there emulating earthbound on mesen or that he's playing Mother 1 plus fuckin 2 on his gamecube
>>735723749that's awesome zoomie, I'm guessing someone modded it for you since you have to ask for help and assurance before playing a video game. enjoy your repro, hopefully it won't delete your save halfway through the game or have garbled text for Mother 2. cheers>>735723853it is a funny image
>>735714263Hope I don't get banned for this...https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_OszH8gRhMLMAB40z_30Ca_iNSJCeBVD2HscL2LpGzI/edit?tab=t.0
>>735695013I've always been interested in the Mother series and I normally love JRPGs but I can never make it beyond the twelve hour mark in any of these games.I grew up with PS1 era Final Fantasy and a bit later on Kingdom Hearts on the PS2 so I think these titles might just be a bit archaic gameplay-wise for me.Is there anything I could do to try and ease in better? I like the music and the art and all that, it's just the gameplay where my brain turns off.
>>735724116I'm 37 years old and I modded it myself since you don't even need to solder these days.Cope and projection...
>>735724359The gameplay's more unorthodox than archaic. That said, at least for EB/M2, you'll probably have to set limitations in order to squeeze anything more out of the gameplay- set personal restraints on items/PSI Powers/etc.
>>735703846She looks good in blue.
>>735695013Played through the trilogy again recently. They're all fun, was happy to play the first one for the first time
>>735724359How far are you at the 12 hour mark in Earthbound? The gameplay gets better the longer you go IMO because you start to make more use of certain mechanics like the scrolling HP meter, first strikes, etc. It's understandable to struggle with Mother because of the level design and random encounters although it's still doable, but a lot of people want to play with the easy ring to reduce the grind.
>>735703846Corruption fetish
>>735695013final masked man battle sux compared to giygas and especially compared to giygas.
>>735727134>giygas over giygaslol, lmao
How come none of the earthbound-likes are like earthbound?
>>735727558Copied Earthbound itself rather than the design philosophy that went into making Earthbound, and ended up making something superficial with none of the substance. A classic case of bad artists copying. whereas Under/Rune IMO is a case of a great artist stealing.
>>735727558they weren't made by people like itoi
>>735706549*ahem*
>>735727558because they are mother 3 likes
>>735714978It ascended so far beyond vaporware an entirely new Mother 4 project started and became vaporware
Giegue, Gigas (Giygas), or The Geek?
>>735728017Gigga Nigga.Only quads can stop him.
>>735700820I can't speak for Omori but there are already plenty of clear signs of homestuck-itis, it's long past overIn fact I'd venture to say it's in its "caliborn" arc, where one nugget of untainted sweet corn glimmers in a mound of rotten mash
>>735728040
>>735702303Geeg
>just found out that calling mom periodically does nothing to stop homesickness and Ness will just randomly become homesick after each battle, with it becoming less common the stronger he gets
>>735727704I love how low res pics look so crisp with pixel art, but is there a way to maintain that look at higher res?
>>735728989Not by mere enlarging. Exposes the pixels more and more. A 'solution' is to smooth out the pixels in what I think is called anti-aliasing, but personally I find it just looks awful.
>>735728971iirc it's a random chance each level up
>>735722018GBA hardware, the SNES had a pretty cracked Sony sound chip insidehttps://snes.nesdev.org/wiki/S-SMP
>>735728989Pixel perfect integer scaling + telling your os/drivers to NOT use bilinear filtering
>>735728971It doesn't? How rare is homesickness to begin with? I've played through the game plenty and it's only happened like 5 times
>>735715626She is very cute and the whole walk her home gently thing at the end is great. Also as a previous anon noted, Paula had like 50 lines in the entire game but she does have a surprising amount of personality in those.
>>735730873>Ness may occasionally get homesick (ホームシック Homesick), depending on his level, and has a 1/8th (12.5%) chance to spend turns thinking about his favorite food, losing motivation in battle and missing his family. The chance for Ness to become homesick is:Level 1-15: 0/256Level 16-30: 3/256Level 31-75: 2/256Level 76-99: 0/256
Why isn't young love more common in vidya?
I miss Chosen Four.
>>735727558I just hope the next one will copy the rolling health meter, that was fun.
>>735733034pedos
>>735733139My main issue is that it made you immortal in lategame. I played a fangame called Touhou Mother that had rolling HP but if you took fatal damage it rolled down faster the more overkill it was, which made enemy attacks that deal 100 and 600 actually feel different.
>>735733382Not an argument
>>735733797yeah it is
>>735733384Good to see someone else in these threads that played Touhou Mother.The first one had a few sucky moments but the plot was better, the second one had better gameplay but the plot was cheesier.
>>735733034https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEpP0ti8i1cToo lewd
The section where Paula gets kidnapped fucking sucks. Poo randomly leaving the party after not even bothering to show up for 60 percent of the game like ten minutes after joining also sucks. Taking away your party members in a game where the roster is so limited is anti fun. That and the incredibly limited inventory are pretty much my only two real criticisms of the game.
>>735733034The subject matter can feel... squeamish. Mainly because Young Love can shift to Young Romance which can in turn shift to Young Sex, even if only in the player's mind. Or even worse, poison the well of fan works involving such pairings. It's not pleasant having to deal with something like that on a newly made game. Shoot, there's relatively little Ness/Paula 'risque' works out there only because it's a semi-obscure 'cult' game from over thirty years ago.
MAYBE NOW YOU HAVE FIGURED IT OUTTHAT'S WHAT BEIN' A FRIEND IS ABOUT
>>735735116If anyone had to be kidnapped, it should've been Ness. You've still got good firepower, but suddenly you've lost your healer and would have to make use of healing items again.Besides, it's a little lame to have two Paula-kidnapped sections in the game. Just makes her come off as incompetent.
>>735735498How many games DID actually have a section where the 'Main' character was out of commission for a time and you had to make do with others? My knowledge of games is duck pond shallow, but I only know of two games that did this; Chrono Trigger and Jet Set Radio Future... and honestly, not sure you can truly count that second one.
>>735735116>he didn't appreciate the spooky mall>he didn't appreciate poo's returnit's a game that's all about moments, the kids it was designed for adored those moments.
>>735735692FF6 did that, depending if you want to count it or not.
One criticism of this game I don't really get (AVGN made a big deal out of it) is not being able to buy multiple items at once. Considering the fact that items don't stack and your inventory space is very limited, why would this matter? I can think of only a handful of times where I tried to stock up on healing items, and really it wasn't even that many. It's way easier to just heal yourself with PSI in most sections anyway
>>735695013Would you watch an Earthbound Cartoon or Movie?
>>735695490>Toby Fox out of buttfuck nowhereMed Motherfucker Meds!!!
>>735696282Hard to not bring Ness in Smash into the equation when talking about why Earthbound is so beloved.
>>735710476>>735735980I'm not gonna deny Smash Bros helped with exposure but you gotta understandIf Smash 64 didn't have Ness on the roster, Earthbound would still have been a cult classic The fansites pre-date Smash 64's release and Mother 3 was already in development because the Mother series actually performed well in Japan
>>735695013First 4 hours :KinoRest of the game : Useless gameplay + a few key momentsIt's time to admit this game isn't completely good.
>>735735920I'd watch a 1-hour special/OVA. For some reason, I don't trust either a show or a movie, but I think the special or OVA could be nice.
>>735735820The process of buying or selling items was turned into a comparatively slow slog. You selected the item you want, you chose who got it, then you got a confirmation check. If you could equip said item you also got a check to that effect, and maybe another one involving you selling the item it replaced. Rinse and repeat, if you were so inclined. By the looks of things, you missed most of the tedium this caused.
>>735696282I think pokemons massive success contributed to the idea of a contemporary RPG being a novel concept in the minds of a lot of people. Many won't consciously connect the dots but I feel if you've played pokemon before mother then theres this pleasant sense of familiarity, which makes sense given pokemon was essentially a spiritual successor to the franchise
>>735735920I already watched BoundEarth and Ness Adventure DX way too many times, a movie wouldnt be able to satisfy me.
End level was way too hard. Overpowered enemies aren't fun.
earthbound had kino animations for its spells
I like Mother but "Guaranteed Masterpiece" might be pushing it
>>735696282As >>735703287 mentions, more than half of Earthbound's resale was pic related: it was a comparatively enormous combination of both the SNES cartridge and the Player's Guide. This visually scared-off a number of buyers, but it also meant it was priced anywhere from $70-$90... which was at least twenty to forty dollars more expensive than a normal, new, full-priced Nintendo game.People didn't invest in that.To discover that "Earthbound" was, indeed, a praiseworthy Nintendo game took time (and clearance bins).
>>735736608no one said that
>>735736958I think the Hard-Drive article is funny and I get the meme but people really underestimate how vital emulation was for Earthbound's word of mouth before finally getting a re-release in the West
>>735695013I love 2, I dropped 1 because too grindy and I will play 3 one day
>>735735712It's not the set pieces that are bad, it's the fact that I lose access to my cool party members. Paula stays gone for a pretty sizeable chunk and Poo has barely even joined you before he takes off again.
>>735737075>people really underestimate how vital emulation was for EarthboundOne of the other biggest "word-of-mouth" gossip surrounding "Earthbound" at the time was that the Player's Guide included "Scratch 'n' Sniff" cards (which were a popular gimmick/toy at the time) and was meant to help advertize.Unfortunately, all of the cards smelled very much the same, and smelled quite bad. It did not market itself well...
>MOTHER games give me the option to name the main characters>do exactly that>have no idea who people are talking about when they talk about the characters using their official names
>>735700052>Nothing about Ness's father potentially being Gygas which is where I thought the story was going.>I played the game assuming that the end-game, Planet-killing, Galaxy-destroying monster "Giygas" was hinted as being Ness' Father.I... don't mean to make you feel bad, Anon, but wow. I think that's the first time I've ever heard someone make that kind of connection. Most everyone I discussed this game with operated under the guise that "Giygas was the end-of-the-universe threat" who was going to destroy everything and everyone since he's the ultimate-evil. Discovering his "twist" that you had to travel back in time to nearly the beginning of all life, to a time before Giygas even existed was the only way he was weak enough to be defeated but was ultimately discovered to be a lonely, if not mindless, pre-nascent infant and you're meant to feel pity for him.And, as for who Ness' Father was: he was your savepoint. That was his biggest role. He was a telephone. Call Dad = Save Game. Like for many kids, "Dad" was "always gone" (usually at work) and didn't come home until after bedtime or had to leave to go on company travels. You didn't see him much, but he was still supportive and tried to console you despite his absence.
>>735736140"starmen.net" was, unironically, one of the most famous early-Internet websites because of how well it was constructed (for its time) and how coincidentally referenced it was since it was supporting a Mother 3 translation and had access to NUMEROUS image and music files to download in its uploaded archive which people were THRILLED to have access to (in the late 90s).
>>735735692in baten kaitos the main character betrays the party and you have to gather the rest of the crew and beat him in a boss battle
>>735700237dude, it even rips off the lightning. darth vader is a machine dependent guy who gets electrocuted but saves his son. then he gets one last conversation with luke before dying in his arms. and he takes his helmet off.claus is a chimera with a mechanical body who gets electrocuted, takes his helmet off, and then dies in his brother's arms after having one last conversation with him. and i assume claus sd'd to save his brother as well.they both have the bigger bad as well in palpatine and porky who are obsessed with immortality but porky actually is immortal.i'm glad i'm not the only one who saw the star wars in mother 3.>>735700825ness' dad is always sending him money because he's his dad. the dad works all day to provide for his family. he provides for ness and takes care of him without being present.also, he's a telephone.
>>735700968the honorifics are funny to me because they don't fit the american setting.>>735733034people wouldn't be able to write it well. all they think about love is sex so they can't write love between chlidren.>>735702303this the first time you played a game in jp?>>735702361>>735702452i think he might've died finally. it's nice to be able to discuss mother 3.
>>735704839that's the magic of mother writing. itoi does a lot with very little. even in mother 3 which has twice as much text as the prior games.modern game developers could learn from him.>>735705605i heard the dev abandoned it.>>735706060it is a nice thread.>>735714978winter 2014apparently it was never a game. just mockup animations. the devs never actually worked on it aside from the music guy. that's probably why he got so pissed and left.
>>735716061can't wait to see the new fan works that will come around then. i want to make something myself as well but idk if i really have it in me. i have an idea for something so we'll see how it goes.>>735727134it's good i just think it doesn't work well with the rolling hp. optimally, you have to wait for all your hp to come back when you heal before you guard again to mash through>>735727558lack of creativity, superficial copying of the surface level likeness of earthbound, lack of genuinness, etc. you name it.>>735733034people think love has to lead to sex so they can't write love between children.
>>735736320for me, that is partially why earthbound interested me. i loved pokemon and i saw how earthbound had things like the 8 melodies which were similar to the 8 gym badges, the asshole neighbor in porky minch resembling the asshole neighbors in pokemon games (well, the first 2), and geigue was like mewtwo. i loved learning about inspirations in my favorite things and when i was young, pokemon was my favorite game series. it sucks nowadays though and i can only think that mother is way better (even if it's not a monster collecter) because it evolved. mother 3 was different from the last 2. why couldn't pokemon evey actually evolve? every game seemed to get worse at some point with sw/sh being the worst. the newer ones are supposedly better but sw/sh turned me off from pokemon forever.sorry, i don't want to turn this into a whining about pokemon thread.
>>735696282Earthbound had one of the biggest online gaming communities on the early internet, which Toby was a part of. That community got old and stopped posting on message boards so you only see the deltatroons that have latched onto it now.
>>735736608>>735737056the mother 1 commercial did.エンディングまで、泣くんじゃない…めっさ保証。マザー、ついに、だいかんせいor something like that.
favorite mother game?
>>735695013I always forget to grab the Lilliput Steps after recruiting Paula and have to come kick in Mondo Mole's door with the full squad near the end of the game.
>>735736958The player guide for Earthbound was pure unadulterated kino.I wish I'd been a responsible enough child to keep it intact after all this time.The whole thing being styled like a 90's American tourism collage with newspapers clippings, tourism pamphlets, advertisements, and other stuff for shops, locations, and events in the game made it such an entertaining read even if you weren't after guidance.
>>735739682Pokemon is the only kind of game that I don't want to ever change its basic mechanics, what do you mean with "evolve"?The gameplay in Pokemon changes with the addition of new pokemon, new moves, new settings.I am also tired of hearing people complain about Sword/Shield or Scarlet/Violet when all the 3DS games were abysmal and still get praised. The only reason why the 3DS games get praise and the the Switch games get hate is because the people that hold that opinion grew up with the 3DS games. As a boomer who only caught up with the series in the last few years I feel like I'm one of the few people that can see things without rose-tinted glasses.
>>735743823>>735739682And I forgot the most important thing.The gameplay in Pokemon changes with the choice of a different team and moveset each playthrough!
>>735743823>>735743961i'm mainly disappointed that pokemon games got worse.
>>735735038I love this.
>>735744002I love Legends Arceus and Scarlet. They have their problems but I absolutely loved them. Love the lore and atmosphere in Legends Arceus and I loved the endgame and Kitakami dlc in Scarlet. They are games that I won't forget easily and will remain with me in time, much more than games like Black/White or whatever came afterwards.I disliked Legends ZA, though, truly an unremarkable game that was a disappointment following Arceus.
>>735695490all the stuff from other games
Thoughts on this incoming earthbound-like (for real) game, Dreamtone?Played the demo a time ago, and im hooked already.
>>735696282I only obtained the cognitive abilities to comprehend Earthbound during 2002, long after the SNES was superseded. I recognized him from Melee. o/\('v')/\o
>>7356950131 is pure soul but the shear amount of grinding means its a game I dont replay often2. Is one of my favorite games in general I replay it about once a year and is the most money ive ever spent on a cartridge so far. Originally i would borrow it from a friend.3 was fun but i could not work the fucking rhythm battle system at all. Im honestly wondering if there was some sort of lag disconnect between my repro cart and the GC gamevoy player. I really wish 64 had been a thing, i liked 3 but seeing how much got cut is a real bummer. I really hope more 64 development stuff gets leaked in the future, a playble build even if its a mess would be pretty sweet
>>735735920I would be down for an OVA made in the 90s or 2000s but would never want an current American studio to get their hands on it and turn it into some faggy tumblr shit. I honestly wouldnt trust modern Jap studios either given the current state of anime
>>735748003the rhythm battle shit is known to be fucked though
>>735727558Because the frame of reference for developing a game like EarthBound is backwards - it was made as a parody of American life (at least, as seen through the eyes of a Japanese man) and JRPG power fantasies during the 90s.First off, we aren't in the 90s anymore, so the subversion of such a cultural base is impossible.Secondly, instead of trying to parody Japanese life through the eyes of an American or European, they still have a western focus entirely, so the feel is lost.The only thing that these games achieve is arguably the twist on JRPGs - that's it.
>>735748003all 3 games do something really well that keeps me coming back to them.1 has the best ost out of all of them overall and possibly has the best ost on the famicom period.2 has the best world exploration, world building, and ending.3 has the best story and characters. it was a great sendoff to mother as a whole with destroying the world and moving on to the next.
>>735744164maybe i'll keep an open mind about checking them out.
>>735750017Just don't hold high expectations. The games have big problems, that's apparent. I love them despite that.
>>735727558how would you make a game like the mother games?
>>735700825>but I thought it was really lame and cliche, "love and possitivity conquers all."are you a leftist?
>>735695013I like Earthbound
>>735751059Probably. I got angry reading that part but forgot to reply.
I know, I know>RetroachievementsBut I'm currently trying to 100% it and it's been pretty fun, I think the hardest part so far has been the "not getting caught by sentries on the 48th floor" one.
>>735736608I would at least call it influential; it is to WRPG what Wizardry was to JRPGs.
>>735749795what would a subversion of today's games and culture look like?
>>735753374Female characters being mothers and not whores in a happy same sex marriage.Males being masculine and not effeminate.Playing as a nazi in an FPS.Game with no bugs and no day 1 patch.Calls out world jewery.etc.Very subversive.
>>735753583>in a happy same sex marriage*same racekek
>>735733034Be the change you want to see.Taking Mother kodomo doushi sketch requests
>>735757124a very bottom-heavy paula riding ness with a saliva trail between them
>>735695013Earthbound is a game that exists to remind you how just a few flaws is enough to make a solid 8/10 a 7/10
>>735739421there are a few other references, namely the pork troopers, the Death Desert is kinda similar to Tatooine, of course the Sky Walker/Runner in Mother 2 and the Force is literally a stat in Mother 1.
>>735757653Still working on it, by very bottom heavy do you just mean bubble butt, or are you asking for a couch with extra cushioning.
>>735760136i want it BIG, but not huge if you catch my driftlike big enough to fill an entire chair, but no bigger than that
>>735743332I agree that the guide was phenomenal, just that it was "scary" as a brand-new/expensive product for parents buying things for their kids' SNES console games; you couldn't read the pages from the book unless you bought it.
>>735717924Cool beans, I’ll dig for scans of it
>>735727558As the saying goes: “good artists imitate, great artists steal”. There’s a reason Undertale is the biggest mother clone out there. Not to make this into a shit on Tony Therese or anything, but he’s essentially mastered the art of curated stealing.
>>735762301Maybe it copies but is it good? It's not consequential.
>>735762301when many people steal ideas they force those ideas into a box in order to make them obviously different from their sourcerob fuchs just steals the ideas and puts them in new settings with new characters, which I find comparatively refreshing
>>735762792I never, ever see undertale mentioned ANYWHERE except in the deltarune general on /v/ and occasionally in threads like this where it's acknowledged as an outright rip. You're right about it not being consequential.
>>735763701further every post about undertale is some variation of "this child is gonna get RAPED by this adult doe!' or "oooooo child goat gay blow job oooooo!" eb is still about kids so it's going to attract the raped who want to discuss their pedophilia like >>735760457 but there's still some actual game discussion even after all these years
>>735757653I didn't warm up before so I'm trying again https://litter.catbox.moe/hp4fcs6rfgs1yhpo.png
>>735751928>Retroachievementsdo people not like RA on this site? Shouldn't be too surprised people are miserable on here... Well good luck anon, RPGs on that site are often slogs to get through.
>>735765004don't get me wrong anonI think the non-retro achievements are a waste of time too
>>735727558way way too many of them focus on being "le funni epic quirky rpg" while having none of the charm
>>735765004>do people not like RA on this site?I wish someone added microtransactions to retro games too!Said no one ever.
>>735757124a somber goodbye between ness and paula after taking her home, or kumatora stroking lucas' hair with him on the verge of tears for it reminding him of his mother.either would be nice if you do non-sexual requests.
>>735765004>I need arbitrary goals set for me by others in order to enjoy my video gameJust end yourself, NPC
>>735765004Cheevos are cancer-adjacent even when done well, and shoehorning them into a game that didn't have achievements and didn't need them (and it's being done by some unrelated third party) adds several more layers of uselessness on top of that.
>>735765004>retroachievementsIt's pretty pathetic to play games for achievements, doubly so when you have to moneypatch them into games that didn't have them.
>>735748003>3 was fun but i could not work the fucking rhythm battle system at all.neither could i lol. luckily the game isn't hard enough to require it. it's more like a bonus if you can do it.>I really hope more 64 development stuff gets leaked in the future, a playble build even if its a mess would be pretty sweethere's hoping. at least maybe the 20th anniversary will reveal more unseen information about it hopefully.
>>735748581why is it so wonky?
>>735743332Thankfully for those of us with parents that fail to pay for their storage units, there's an online copy too.https://archive.org/details/Nintendo_Players_Guide_SNES_Earthbound_1995/mode/2up
>>735764526Your Mother stuff is always a treat to see.
show me the wisdom of the world!tell me the secrets of the heart!here i stand before you!ready to receive!
>>735757653https://files.catbox.moe/zgrfjf.pngSecond try. Hopefully it's plush enough for you.>>735769342Ty. Hopefully I've been improving a bit.
>>735771201hell yeah dude, TY!
take a melodysimple as can begive it some words andsweet harmonyraise your voicesall day long nowlove grows strong nowsing a melody of loveoh lovela la la la lala la la la lala la la la lala la la lala la la lala la la lala la la lala la la la la lala lalove is the powerlove is the glorylove is the beautyand the joy of springlove is the magiclove is the storylove is the melodywe all can sing
I really loved the exploration of mother 2. Especially in places like Fourside. Any games with the same feeling?
>>735772303closest is mother 1
>>735765004ran by trannys
>>735757124Paula and Kumatora pushing their flat chests together, and Ness and Lucas both fucking the flat-chests at the same time, if that's possible.
>>735757765what are the flaws?
Well this was a good thread before art of kids fucking each other started getting posted with fags begging for more.
大人たちの はんぶんも 生きては いないけれど思い出の数ならば リュックにいっぱいさお気に入りの baseball cap かかとつぶれた sneakerポケットのおくに あるよ 擦りへった guitar pick 涙がちぎれるくらい 悲しいことも あったけど いつでも きみが ぼくのそばに いてくれた 笑いあったり 遊んだり 傷つきながら歩く近道 まわり道も 迷いながら おぼえた ありのままの きみだけが ぼくを強くしてくれた いつでも きみが ぼくを強くしてくれた やさしい風が吹くように 草をなでてゆくように いつでも きみは 笑顔みせて歩いてたそう 涙と笑顔 かわるがるに 見せあったふたりは… (I miss you) 遠くに離れて…
>>735772704I for one think that makes the thread better.
>>735736227I think its almost complete lack of a story compared to 1 and 3 makes it pretty boring. It kind of works by the end because it subverts the simple "there's a big evil bad guy you're the chosen one you gotta stop him!!" narrative but it doesn't mean the rest of the game leading up to that point isn't narratively boring.
>>735736227but the game is only 4 hours long
深い闇 遠い町知らないことば ざわめく迷い子の 悲しみを拾い集めて たどろう何処に いてもわたしは いのち あなたのあたたかな ひとときとあたたかな夢 見せたい幼な子の 微笑みはまぶたのなかに いまでも呼べば 届くきっと いつか振り向くただひとり 道を行く小さきものに あかりをただひとり 道を行く小さきものに あかりを
>>735772704it's at least ignorable since it's on catbox
>>735772704you can't reason with the raped, they need to publicly share their trauma with others.
>>735773479>lack of storyThe story is simple but never absent. Not sure what else to say.
>>735774058Semantics but my point is the story is so simple it doesn't really give you much of anything to follow or care about, not that it literally does not have one at allIt just left a lot to be desired since I played Mother 1 first
>>735774439I don't really find its plot to be less sophisticated than Mother's, but that could just be emotional nostalgia on my part since I played Earthbound not only first but at a much younger age. Can you expand a bit on your point? Which plot points in Mother do you think elevates its story above Earthbound's?
>>735774794>I don't really find its plot to be less sophisticated than Mother'sHow? Mother gives you a prologue about George and Mary to start you off and give you some questions you want to know the answers to, and by the end you know exactly who they are and how they're related to what's happening and it explains the melodies, magicant, and who the final boss is and why he's here.In EB It's literally just "you're the chosen one, go stop the evil bad guy" and that's it. It doesn't pose any questions beyond "what's up with giygas this time," the game never explains what the melodies are, what's going on with the mani mani statue, why giygas is here now and why he's so obsessed with Ness specifically, anything really. The ending gives you some ties back to Mother and gives you a lot to think about but the game really just doesn't have anything close to a full blown story like 1 and 3 have. I guess the difference is "stop the evil bad guy" versus "here's why you gotta stop the evil bad guy and here's why he's bad"For the record I still like EB and I think the final battle is memorable as fuck and the practically nonexistent story aims to set you up for the subversion of "shit there's more going on here than everyone knows" feeling once you actually face giygas and see this fucked up tortured soul and that makes the final boss really special, but as a whole experience I think it's a lot lesser for it.
>>735701889Dude.That's Pummies.
>>735773251>遠くに離れて…using the te-form in hanarete makes it sound like he wanted to say more but stopped. kinda like:>we're far apart and...
>>735775714Sounds like a mix of wanting things to be over-explained and not noticing what was already answered. Giygas is obsessed with Ness because Ness is prophesied to stop him, it wouldn't make sense for him to NOT be obsessed. Giygas appeals to peoples greed and cruelty, the mani mani statue is a big golden idol. A very obvious symbol of avarice and power. The melodies are personal to Ness, a representation of the understanding of himself he gains at the sanctuaries. It's why he becomes fully realized when he completes the song. Not everything needs to be spelled out, maybe Mother 1 was just more... forgiving in the way way. I won't go into dive into the plot points Earthbound has that I feel Mother lacks because it seems like we were just looking for different types of storytelling.
>>735776114>Giygas is obsessed with Ness because Ness is prophesied to stop himI'm aware, that falls under the "you're the chosen one you gotta stop him" thing I already said. "Why? because prophecy" is shit writing.>Giygas appeals to peoples greed and cruelty, the mani mani statue is a big golden idol. A very obvious symbol of avarice and power.That's what it symbolizes, not what it actually is. Every comparable thing in 1 with similar story significance has an actual answer for what it is. The game tends to be pretty blunt with explaining things, but that's not the part I'm asking for. I just want it to actually be there instead of being SO open ended that the only remotely objective answer is "it's just kinda there">The melodies are personal to Ness, a representation of the understanding of himself he gains at the sanctuaries. It's why he becomes fully realized when he completes the song.Where did they come from? Did someone put them there? Learning the melodies were scattered by your great grandmother as a way to connect and meet you from beyond the grave is a really emotionally significant reveal, and it being her motherly song used to comfort Giygas that you then use against him ties everything together so nicely. Coming from that I was expecting that new song in 2 from the sanctuary spots to have some kind of significance like that but then there was just nothing.I don't want anything over explained, I just want it to exist at all.
>>735776669then you made the same complaint twice to pad out your list?>you have to explain why the magic being has magical talismansno>mother 8 melodiesThey're different from mother 2, it wasn't meant to be a retread of the same story. Giygas's entire shtick in earthbound is corrupting people by preying on their inner evil. Ness's sanctuaries help him understand who he is, confront his own innder darkness, and overcome it. The same thing he does to every other human villain (except Porky, who is a tragic mirror to Ness - a child that didn't receive enough love and now has no desire to be good). While those villains chose to give into their base desires, Ness chooses to fight his. That's the entire message of the game. They don't even beat Giygas by kicking his ass, they overwhelm his primitive maddened state with well wishes. In Mother, the origin of the song needed to be explained because it linked ninten and giegue. There's no such need in Earthbound because no such link exists.The only relevant complaint you had is the chosen one prophecy, which was just very common both at the time and in that type of story, so I guess it didn't bother me like it did you.
>>735695013Really liked Earthbound back in the day but I tried to play it again after 10 years and got bored. Seems like one of those things where the charm/novelty only works once.
>>735703846>>735725406I still think about this on a daily basis.Happy, happy. Blue, blue.
>>735777338>you have to explain why the magic being has magical talismansI mean, if you want the story to not be shit, you kind of do. You're literally pulling the "it's magic I ain't gotta explain shit" card>They're different from mother 2, it wasn't meant to be a retread of the same story.I didn't say they were the same or even should be the same, just that it's unsatisfying to get some kind of answer for what they are and how they got there in the first game and then get nothing for the parallel thing in the sequel. I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you if you can't even read my posts.>Ness's sanctuaries help him understand who he is, confront his own innder darkness, and overcome it.Again, that's the role they play, not what they actually are. When the first game has the same system and it ends up being revealed as a significant tangible element to the story events, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the sequel to do the same with its own story. "They serve this purpose but they're just kind of there idk" doesn't really do it for me.>There's no such need in Earthbound because no such link exists.>because no such link exists.That is EXACTLY what I'm criticizing here.
>>735778524>this magical otherworldly foe controls people by preying on their cruel or selfish desires>uhhh yeah but where does he GET those statues? does he have a statue guy?you must be really interested in why lightsabers are different colors. I don't feel like reading the rest of your post. You can have the last word.
Anyone who hasn't already should really try Mother 2 Deluxe 3.0. It genuinely adds a bunch of cool stuff that makes the game feel both more complete and soulful, like the party spirtes appearing in battle for the character's turn as seen in >>735699754 and in general being more expressive.
Why do Mother and Mother 2 Giygas even have the same name when they're hardly related? Ninten and Ness are closer to being the same character than the Giygases are.
>>735778657>strawman>no counter argumentI accept your concession
>>735778730seconding this. I picked it up when it was mentioned earlier in the thread, and I'm in Twoson now. Honestly the overworld run button may have been enough to sell me on the hack, it seems very well-implemented
>>735778872They could be related though. Mother 1 explains why some humans know PSI, which carries into Mother 2. You mindbreak Giygas with human kindness at the end of Mother 1 and he ends up retreating to where he is in Mother 2, totally losing himself. You have to put him out of his misery as the Chosen 4.
>>735778872because they're the same person? he just changed in between mother 1 and 2. people change, man.
>>735778872>hardly relatedIt's the same entity. The Giygas you're fighting in Mother 2 is the same Giygas from 1, presumably from far in the future after being driven mad by a mix of power and desire for the love he once felt from Maria after the events of 1. He got so desperate for power that he gave up his corporeal form and sense of self and after getting busted out of the devil's machine he was left as nothing but a barely conscious twisting soul that can feel nothing but anguish. He's so obsessed with Ness partially because of the whole prophesy thing and probably partially because he resembles Ninten which brings him back to his origin and Maria.The story is all about stopping this abstract symbol for ultimate evil but once you see him you realize that while you are saving the world by doing it you're actually just putting a tortured soul out of his misery. Everyone on Earth is just like "yay you killed the horrible evil monster, good job!" but only you and your buds know the tragedy of what was actually going on. Nigga just wanted to be loved and the only way to save the universe is to kill him by showing him the love he will never have.
>>735775714>the game never explains what the melodies are, what's going on with the mani mani statue, why giygas is here now and why he's so obsessed with Ness specifically, anything really.huh, that's something I prefer about Mother 2 over Mother 1I think what's important isn't that those things are explained but that Ness/you go out and discover them. once you have there's a strong sense of what those elements *represent*-- maybe our difference is that I value that more than specific plot and worldbuilding. I also think it's very important for the game's structure that giygas *isn't* explained. giygas develops throughout each subplot--his influence leads to paula's kidnapping, mr. monotoli's greed, porky's degeneration. I think the game intends players to wonder what sort of motivation the character controlling those situations from the background would have, which makes the reveal of what giygas actually is very striking, that all of the pain he's caused was nothing more than violently lashing out at the world around him, a response to his own pain. I strongly disagree with your statement that the build-up to that moment is a "non-existent story," since I think it *is* the game's story. actually, what is your definition of a "story"?
>>735781345>I strongly disagree with your statement that the build-up to that moment is a "non-existent story," since I think it *is* the game's story.I mean, the way it builds up to that moment is by having its story be so simple and surface level. It makes for a great ending because it creates a lot of contrast but I don't think it's "worth it" I guess.
>>735781552How old are you?
>>735781552"surface level"... did you not want to save paula? did you not want to reach the top of monotoli's building and confront him? was it not compelling to see Porky rise to power as he becomes an ever more terrible person?
>>735781994Some people don't get that stories can be gripping because they're emotional and think they need to be full of tweests.
>>735779060>>735779486>>735779762Not him, but all fanfic. Mother 1 Giygas and Mother 2 Giygas are completely different characters.>m-muh mindbreak!Headcanon. Nothing in Mother 1 implies Giygas was so unstable he was going to go insane.>Ness reminds Giygas of Ninten and Maria!Headcanon. Giygas is obsessed with Ness because of the prophecy. There is literally NOTHING in Mother 2 that directly references Mother 1. >b-but muh "Giygas Strikes Back title-"Marketing tactic. Nothing in the game references Giygas's attack in Mother 1.They actively made sure to remove any and all direct references to Mother 1 from Mother 2, a beta version had Porky taunting the chosen four at the end of the game, saying "What are you going to do, sing?". They wouldn't remove something like that unless they were intentionally trying to make the stories separate.There is absolutely nothing these stories gain by actually being connected and Giygas being the same character. Their themes directly clash with one another, Giygas in M1 is an alien that is spurned by humanity, but the genuine power of motherly love makes him question his ways. M2 Giygas is a pure, embodiment of evil, most likely supposed to be some reflection of Ness himself and his lost childhood innocence.Focusing on these retarded non-existent connections between games makes you miss the actual themes and messages these games are trying to have. Not all sequels have to be directly narratively connected. They called him Giygas because M2 is a reboot of M1.
>>735783523It honestly seemed to have been a change in development Itoi said in an old interview that Ness and Ninten being the same is up to interpretation but he said that far before Earthbound released and there's a crap ton going against the two remotely being the same personWe saw the Mother 2 exhibit, there were multiple callbacks to Mother 1 cut from the final gameAs far as the Japanese are concerned, Mother 2 and Mother 1 are separate
>>735781994I'm talking about the main overarching story, not the smaller containted chapters. If you're talking about that stuff Mother 2 actually has more of it, but it's not what we've been talking about.>>735782309You're a complete moron and you should try actually reading my posts.
>>735783943M2's final version was clearly not supposed to be a follow up to M1, it makes me really wish we did get a game that followed up M1's plot and the blatant sequelbait it had at the end. If I had to guess, the developers learning M2 would get localized is probably what made them swap to making the game its own thing and a complete reboot. Probably for the best even if I wish we got a genuine M1 sequel, M2 ended up becoming a far more unique game that stands well on its own because of it.
>>735784146a story is made up of its component chapters. all of them contribute to it. everything in that post you replied to provided context for the main overarching story. you confused not liking it personally with thinking it's bad.
>>735784301When we're talking about the main overarching plot line, when the smaller bits don't tie into it, no, they don't.
>when the smaller bits don't tie into it
>>735777604Want a blue Paula sketch?
>>735727558Because there's only one Itoi
>>735730000nice quads
I got like halfway through this game then took a break now I forget what was going on. Seemed solid though.
>>735784360It's sounds like you think "Romeo & Juliet" is a bad story because of its overarching plot, but it turns out you just don't like watching a 5 minute summary.
>>735787735It sounds like you nee to work on your reading comprehension skills.
>>735786920YES PLEASE YES GOD YES PLEASE I BEG YOU UPON MY KNEES I PLEAD
>>735788273
>>735787760thoughts on Mother 3?
>>735788346Am I not allowed to show enthusiasm?
>>735788476look I get it's 4chan but you really don't get to be indignant when people are weirded out by your frothing begging for pedo art.
>>735788546You don't seem to "get it" in the slightest, actually. You are unwelcome here.
>>735787760What qualifies something as contributing to the overarching plot? >>735781345 argues that those chapters pretty clearly do just that. You seem to alternate between two contradictory points, that the story was those parts contributed to was too simple, but also that they're not part of the greater story. You insult the reading comprehension of others in posts riddled with typos that are replies to posts you couldn't comprehend about a story you misunderstood and labeled with terms that you're misusing. But you're also extremely certain that you're the smartest person in any conversation, so there's really no point in disagreeing with you. My mistake giving you this much attention, I guess. Take care.
>>735788613>the raped trying to be a tough guySorry you got diddled but even asocial anons will always be disgusted by pedo freaks.
>>735788882Your rhetoric is weak, your accusations hollow. Kafkatraps are a tool of the weakminded.
>>735788613Seek help
>>735788273Did you want anything specific
>>735788996As creepy a smile as she can be given and a paintbrush in hand. Brandishing the paintbrush at the camera as if to paint the reader.Or if maybe if that's too much for a sketch, like that, but Paula with a paintbrush instead of lipstick, painting her lips blue?
Aw screw it.
all will be Happy
>>735783523a lotta words to justify your headcanon born from two localizations with two different names>>m-muh mindbreak!>Headcanon.maybe try reading the dialogue in EarthBound
How did Duster manage to get Kumatora at the end of the game??
>>735791149Duster proved to be a capable and steadfast compatriot the entire game. Why not?
>>735789305Got yoinked to play games , will work on it later. Let me know if there's anything you'd like changed
>>735792072I love it, you may proceed as-is if it is your preference, but I'll ask for her eyes to be open wide and manic! Bright blue eyes, Paula making you happy with her by painting you blue! Joyous, rapturous mania! HAPPY, HAPPY!
>>735788845You seem to have lost track of the point here, reread >>735776669 and >>735778524 and if you still don't understand come back to me
>oh cool an earthbound thread on the catalog, lets see what everyone is talking about in it>opens it>first few replies mentioned toby fox>closes the threadi guess earthbound is a boring game and people would rather talk about toby fox's anus for an hour
>>735792994rent free
>>735698652dont worry, mother 3 will never be released in america and europe, especially in europe
>>735698565>Never liked Super Mario RPG. Should I give it a chance?do it you wont regret it
>>735793297>especially in europeare they even more rigid than the usa?
>>735705607>onett is in los angeles>twoson is in mexicowhat did itoi mean by this?
>>735727704>えがおを つくろうfuck you
>>735791149he didn't. he just said she was cute. there is no romance in mother 3 possibly due to it being a subversion of the prior 2 games that had romance subplots between ninten/ana and ness/paula.
>>735792994ctrl f toby and this post makes 8 results, in 395 posts.
>>735733034https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1774576861991163.mp4https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/139702010https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/139702192
>>735715606they should just say it isnt happening instead of doing all this charade game with the journalists
>>735793761smile, anon!
>>735738450why the 90s was obsessed with time travelling in their media? what were trying to change?
>>735790991>maybe try reading the dialogue in EarthBoundShow me a single piece of dialogue in Earthbound that implies that the Giygas from that game is the same one from Mother 1.
>>735794249Back to the Future was a cultural phenomenon, anon. Sometimes it's really as simple as "this thing got popular, and it inspired a bunch of other people who saw it".
I don't see how people can listen to Megalovania and think Gadobadorr or Megalomania are what inspired it when the first four notes are literally pulled straight from the middle of Pokey Means Business.>HEY WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT UNDERTALEI'm not, Megalovania is a song from an Earthbound romhack, it's as on topic as any other EB romhack, arguably more so since it's in Smash Bros alongside Ness and Lucas.
>>735793427i like itoi's sense of humor
>>735794384>megalovania is in smash brosi always forget this sentence is real
>>735794724I remember when the sans reveal made everyone forget terry was in the game
>>735794384Megalomania was its inspiration, not in any musical sense, but a thematic one. Toby said he wanted Megalovania to basically be his musical signature, a "hey Toby Fox was on this project" track, in the way Megalomania was Odio's theme across time in Live A Live.Pretty sure that fell through after Undertale was so popular and it became the Sans theme but it will remain to be seen if Megalovania features into Deltarune in an unironic fashion.
>>735794332>moving the goalpostsno but I'll give you the dialogue that proves your previous assertation incorrectsorry you're too autistic to comprehend a sequel that doesn't directly follow the previous protagonistyou're on unbelievable levels of cope thinking the title of a game is a marketing tactic. any Japanese fan of the games would laugh at your dumb ass
>>735794634me too. he's the goat.
https://youtu.be/saams7Ibxf8CEASE TO EXIST
not either of these anons but iirc itoi said in an interview that the giygas in m2 is the same as the one in m1. also the subtitle is giygas/giegue strikes back.
>>735795052dude, sans was in smash since the n64 one. you had to unlock him.
i don't think i've ever seen anyone bring up that the coffee song sounds like john lennon's jealous guy.
>>735795526That doesn't imply Giygas from M1 and M2 are the same at all. Giygas in M2 being a being of pure evil =/= M1 Giygas going insane. And once again, they specifically went out of their way to scrub any mention of M1 from M2. Why would they do that if the games were supposed to be connected? What does the game being connected add? This isn't like M2 and M3 where M3 continues Porky's story and directly references M2. Absolutely NOTHING in M1 is referenced in M2, and knowing what happens in M1 adds no extra context for M2's story, unlike M3 where knowing Porky's backstory and his theme of being an eternal manchild wishing to return to his past plays into the theme of the game.>>735796163Itoi also said you can see Ness as Ninten as you want, which honestly just tells me that he sees M2 as a complete reboot of M1 and a different universe.
>>735794332>Mother>final boss is Giygas>Mother 2>title screen says "return of Giygas"
>>735796551i think it's more that itoi didn't want to mess with the player's imagination and self insertion. or he didn't want to turn off new players.ness can be ninten if you want or he can be someone else if you want. giegue/giygas is giegue/giygas though. how that relates to m2 is up to your interpretation.i think it gives clarification to why giygas is even invading in m2 because he said he'd be back in m1.but the characters can be interpreted however you want. if you interpret it as a reboot, then it's just as valid.
>>735796552Cool, why doesn't the game acknowledge the events of Mother 1 in any meaningful way? If you believe 2 and 1 Giygas are one in the same, how do you explain no one in the game knowing the events of Mother 1? Why does Buzz Buzz not mention Giygas attacked before? Why is Mother 2's Magicant completely different from Mother 1's? Why are the eight melodies completely different when they were an integral part of Mother 1's story and Giygas as a character in Mother 1?I guess Ness must be some reincarnation of Mary, since he has a Magicant and since it's called Magicant that MUST mean it's the same Magicant from Mother 1! >>735796812That's my point. I just don't like people acting like M1 and M2 Giygas are the same as fact when it's just headcanon and meant to be up for your interpretation. If Itoi wanted you to for sure think they were the same character, he would've kept in the references to it, instead of scrubbing even extremely tiny ones like the singing line.That, and it's just pointless. No one has really been able to argue what the characters being the same adds to the story, because it doesn't add anything. Mother 1 is about Giygas as a character, while Mother 2 is about Giygas as a concept because Itoi wanted to explore different ideas with each game. Attempting to connect the games just brings up too many questions and obvious plotholes and makes the characters less interesting.
>>735796551god you're a fucking idiot, he's the same character with the same exact name, the same army of the same aliens, using the same tactics to achieve the same goal. I could just as easily say Porky in Mother 3 isn't the same character as in EarthBound because he didn't stop the game to say "Dear autists playing this game, I am Pokey from EarthBound, released in 1995 for the Super Nintendo Entertainment System."
>>735709508Trvth nvkeMother is groundedEarthbound is whimsy for the sake of whimsy
>>735796973it's not headcanon, you are literally the one with the insane headcanon that requires obscene levels of delusion to believe
>>735795242I get that, but Toby has already explained that Megalovania is only supposed to represent "the end", the only times he used it in a scenario that didn't make sense, iirc, were Homestuck, Smash Bros and the 10th anniversary of Undertale, the other two times it made sense.>EBHH: Final Boss fight, Varik thinks to himself that the fight could've been avoided altogether if you had simply chosen to stop playing before reaching it>Undertale: track 100, whole point of the fight is that Sans is hopelessly fending off the complete annihilation of all spacetime, once it's over, as Sans predicted, "everything ends."
>>735739682Gen 1 is literally a knockoff of mother 1 right down to the zoo, finding an old man's teeth, Mt Itoi/Victory Road, Power plant, Gigue/Mewtwo.Pokémon is literally a Mother-inspired RPG.
>>735796973>Cool, why doesn't the game acknowledge the events of Mother 1 in any meaningful way? If you believe 2 and 1 Giygas are one in the same, how do you explain no one in the game knowing the events of Mother 1? Why does Buzz Buzz not mention Giygas attacked before? Why is Mother 2's Magicant completely different from Mother 1's? Why are the eight melodies completely different when they were an integral part of Mother 1's story and Giygas as a character in Mother 1?because you have autism and are unable to grasp that certain things are obvious from context and don't need to be stated.
>>735796992>he didn't stop the game to say "Dear autists playing this game, I am Pokey from EarthBound, released in 1995 for the Super Nintendo Entertainment System."Except he basically does. All of New Pork City is that. All of those references don't make sense unless you've played Earthbound and understand the message it's making about nostalgia.>>735797057Okay, then explain all of the questions I mentioned in that post if it isn't headcanon. >If you believe 2 and 1 Giygas are one in the same, how do you explain no one in the game knowing the events of Mother 1?>Why does Buzz Buzz not mention Giygas attacked before? >Why is Mother 2's Magicant completely different from Mother 1's?>Why are the eight melodies completely different when they were an integral part of Mother 1's story and Giygas as a character in Mother 1?>>735797128>No argumentThey hated me because I spoke the truth. I'm sorry I ruined your shitty fanfic headcanon.
headcanon v headcanonfight fight fight fight fight
>>735796973>Cool, why doesn't the game acknowledge the events of Mother 1 in any meaningful way?It does, on the title screen
>>735796973>That's my point. I just don't like people acting like M1 and M2 Giygas are the sameit's just as valid as saying m2 giygas is a rebooted version of m1 giygas that exists in his own story bubble. this might be getting semantical at this point though. and giygas in m2 would've had to come to earth at some point prior since he is "striking back". it's just that whatever that means in the context of m2 is up to your interpretation because as you said, they scrubbed direct references to m1. they scrubbed porky saying that you should try singing to giygas.
>>735797301>how do you explain no one in the game knowing the events of Mother 1?because you have autism and are unable to grasp that certain things are obvious from context and don't need to be stated.Nintendo games are also designed to be fun for anyone who picks it up for the first time, so they don't want to bog down players with an unnecessary lore dump related to a previous tile>Why does Buzz Buzz not mention Giygas attacked before?He did actually, 10 years in the future, and again he doesn't need to state what happened in the previous game. Also later in the game it is revealed that Giygas has attacked multiple times in the past and failed each time, due to the prophecy that states 3 boys and a girl will defeat him. 3 boys and a girl defeating Giygas, hmm when did that last happen?>Why is Mother 2's Magicant completely different from Mother 1's?Because Mother 1's Magicant exists in Maria's consciousness while 2's exists in Ness's, they are not the same Magicant. Multiple Magicants can exist.>>Why are the eight melodies completely different when they were an integral part of Mother 1's story and Giygas as a character in Mother 1?Because they are different melodies, different melodies can exist and in fact you are not collecting melodies in Mother 2, it is just the act of Ness visiting his Sanctuaries/ "Places that are his alone" that opens Magicant, the melodies are just something that come along with it. Maybe you should try reading the dialogue in EarthBound. This was all explained by the old man in Magicant and Buzz Buzz.
i personally think it makes sense for ninten to be ness since it explains how he got psi powers in m2. psi powers don't have an origin in m2 unless you say it takes place after m1 and the psi powers were alien knowledge that george's research imprinted onto others.and then that also explains why giygas is even invading again in m2. he had to come back to scrub the earth people after one took the secret alien power knowledge. it's like countries attacking each other over nuke knowledge or other secret weaponry.but giygas got hung up on a prophecy of ninten/ness defeating him so he started to seethe and go crazy. i think giygas abandoning all emotional attachment and memories was a way to try to avoid ninten/ness stopping him again with emotions like he did before with singing.but this is headcanon based how m1 and m2 play out.
>>735797949nta but on the topic of the 8 melodies, i wonder if the m2 version was at some point going to be the same as the m1 version. porky was going to suggest singing to giygas and giygas' theme has a section where the m2 8 melodies play but it gets drowned out by the main giygas theme that sounds like unpleasant noises.i wonder if it was going to be something like, you can sing to him but the 8 melodies get drowned out and do nothing this time.
>>735796973Looking at this pic, I'm reminded that the "adult man" in Mother 3 was a near-crippled, limping railroad worker (GET IT!? "RAIL"road and he carries RAILS?????) but everytime your party goes into battle he's like some Dragonball character of Tae Kwon Do kicking powers.I'll admit I hated Mother 3 the one time I played it when its "translation" released some 20 years ago, but I did play it. I've forgotten if all the "irony" it kept writing was serious or intentionally comical.
>>735797949>Nintendo games are also designed to be fun for anyone who picks it up for the first time, so they don't want to bog down players with an unnecessary lore dump related to a previous tileWow, it's almost like they developed M2 to be a reboot with zero connections to the original game. Thanks for proving my point!>He did actually, 10 years in the future,Yeah, in the future. Why wouldn't he mention Giygas attacked just a few years before the events of Mother 2? We have a defined date for the events of Mother 1.>Also later in the game it is revealed that Giygas has attacked multiple times in the past and failed each time, due to the prophecy that states 3 boys and a girl will defeat him. 3 boys and a girl defeating Giygas, hmm when did that last happen?Ah yes, I remember Giygas in Mother 1 saying he came from the future, and I also remember him being a swirling embodiment of evil. I also remember beating Giygas with TWO boys and a girl. Maybe you should try actually playing Mother 1 before you make headcanon connections to it. >Because Mother 1's Magicant exists in Maria's consciousness while 2's exists in Ness's, they are not the same Magicant. Multiple Magicants can exist.But they have the same name. How are they different if they have the same name? That must mean they're the same area, just like how Giygas in M1 and M2 are the same because they have the same name.
is it just me or was using pray against giygas bullshit trial and error?
>>735798415>railroad worker (GET IT!? "RAIL"road and he carries RAILS?????)that explains why duster carries around staples.>I've forgotten if all the "irony" it kept writing was serious or intentionduster is a cripple yet he's the fastest human party member. of course this is intentional.heck, you have to save fuel and lighter from a forest fire at the beginning of the game.
>>735798469porky tells you to call for help
>>735798578maybe it's my fault for using pray only once and then forgetting about it
>>735798463It's not a reboot, it's a sequel with a different story and the same antagonist. You are reaching at insane lengths to justify your headcanon.>Why wouldn't he mention Giygas attacked just a few years before the events of Mother 2?Because he doesn't have to. Do I have to mention that covid happened in my post? No, you were there for it, you already know.>Ah yes, I remember Giygas in Mother 1 saying he came from the future, and I also remember him being a swirling embodiment of evil.Well then you're misremembering, because he changed inbetween the two games retard. If you weren't so retarded you'd be able to put together what happened to him based on the dialogue given in each game.>I also remember beating Giygas with TWO boys and a girl.All four including Teddy contribute, but nice try at bullshit semantics.>But they have the same name. How are they different if they have the same name? That must mean they're the same area, just like how Giygas in M1 and M2 are the same because they have the same name.So you have paradoxical beliefs about Magicant, then? You are beyond retarded.
>>735797949>3 boys and a girl defeating Giygas, hmm when did that last happen?When Ness went back in time? Earthbound paints Giygas as a much more supernatural entity than just "an alien." Future Giygas, Past Giygas, Present Giygas, they all exist right now and also never. He's a singular entity and also the embodiment of everyone's negative feelings and also is godlike and also powerlessly stupid and also omniscient and also a werewolf and also a duplicate of Ness and also Ness' father lol. Giygas is paranormal and downright spiritual.I have to imagine modern day "fans" of this OUTRIGHT DEMAND YOU MUST LOVE EVERY GAME IN THE SERIES AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA and simply live in a time where "Mother" was just as famous as "Earthbound." I get it, I understand that, no, really, I do. The Internet made access to all that information both easy, obvious, and constant.But in 1995, as an 8-year-old kid living on a military installation... saw a golden smooth spikey space robot, I thought was being piloted by someone in a chair in its head, on a SNES video game box and asked my Mom to buy it for me. I liked that game and loved that music. I was a fan.
>>735798868>Because he doesn't have to. Do I have to mention that covid happened in my post? No, you were there for it, you already know.Then why is he explaining Giygas to Ness like he doesn't know who he is? Shouldn't everyone in Mother 2's world know? Weird how these types of plotholes aren't an issue with Mother 2 and 3's connections, it's almost like they were putting thought into how those games were connected since 3 is a genuine sequel.>Well then you're misremembering, because he changed inbetween the two games retard. If you weren't so retarded you'd be able to put together what happened to him based on the dialogue given in each game.Headcanon.>All four including Teddy contribute, but nice try at bullshit semantics.You can beat the entire game without ever getting Teddy. By that logic, Pippi also helped so why didn't the prophecy mention her?Please actually play Mother 1 before making headcanons about it.>So you have paradoxical beliefs about Magicant, then? You are beyond retarded.You call me autistic but you're too autistic to understand basic sarcasm. Hilarious, you must be ESL.
>>735799280The game crushes your headcanon the moment it boots up. You deny the reality in front of you like a troon. You clearly haven't played Mother or Mother 2, and fail to read a simple title. Is English your second language?
>>735796551>What does the game being connected add?it doesn't have to add anything for it to be true
>>735799280i don't disagree with you since i think m2's connections to m1 are up for interpretation. but for the point about teddy helping beat m1 giygas, he's one of the main party members you mange in the naming screen and the m1 version of the chosen 4 plush set has ninten, ana, lloyd, and teddy.
>>735798469Nothing else was working. No attacks worked, no items worked, no PSI worked... you had to try everything.iirc, if you did select "Pray" when it became necessary, the dialogue result was different than normal. Which, if you played the game heavily enough, you'd recognize and think>That's oddAnd then try it again, watching it get stranger and stranger and then outright obliterating him.
>>735797301>If you believe 2 and 1 Giygas are one in the same, how do you explain no one in the game knowing the events of Mother 1?Why do they have to for Giygas to be the same character?>Why does Buzz Buzz not mention Giygas attacked before?Is buzz buzz omniscient? >Why is Mother 2's Magicant completely different from Mother 1's?It's Ness's magicant>Why are the eight melodies completely different when they were an integral part of Mother 1's story and Giygas as a character in Mother 1?They're ness's 8 melodies.
>>735799551But I bought "Earthbound." What was "Mother 2?"That looked like a poster from the movie "War of the Worlds" (1953). Is this, like, a remake of that?Do I have to visit movies, see "2" or "Strikes back!" and forcibly assume "I must be watching a sequel?"
>>735799280You obviously didn't play MOTHER
>>735799840>mother 2 isn't a sequel to mother>the villain with the same name striking back isn't the villain from the preceding gameman you are having an absolute melty about this.
>>735800169>Mary says this>Beat the game with only Ninten using the onyx hook trickwhoops.Anyway, if you people are so sure about Mother 2 being a direct sequel to 1, why wasn't this cliffhanger followed up on? Why were all references to 1 removed from the game? Why is Giygas absolutely nothing like his Mother 1 incarnation? Why is it when Mother 3 re-used Porky, they actually continued his arc in a natural way while acknowledging the events of Mother 2?
>>735801040>directthere you go adding details to attack
I play (and remember) Earthbound as a different game Itoi made under the same parameters as some other game he made for the NES console in Japanese that no one knows about. They have zero written connections to each other. At best, Earthbound has thematic references because the SNES can represent his story with better graphics and also since that was 6 years ago he can fix any errors and make enhance any changes he wants to make.
>>735695490>What am I missing?the fucks I give
>>735801414Cool, so you admit Mother 2 isn't a direct sequel and is instead a reboot that reuses concepts and names but does different interpretations of them.>>735801534This anon gets it. Though I wouldn't really say Earthbound/Mother 2 is trying to redo Mother 1's story, I think Itoi got different ideas for it partway through development and decided to explore those instead of just trying to do 1 again. I find both Mother 1 and 2 Giygas very interesting characters, but they're blatantly different. It's like saying Zelda's Ganon/Ganondorfs are all the same character. They're all different interpretations on an character/concept. Yes Skyward Sword says they're all reincarnations of the same character but that's dumb and a retcon shut up.
>>735801862No, Mother 2's events follow Mother 1's in the same setting. I never claimed it was a "direct" sequel, that was your strawman to attack. I never thought they were closely related outside of sharing the same character as the villain
>>735802031>No, Mother 2's events follow Mother 1's in the same setting.Except it doesn't. Mother 1's events are never mentioned in Mother 2. If Giygas is the same character, then he hopped universes, and 2's universe is completely different from 1's. There's too many plotholes and questions brought up otherwise.
>People are actually arguing with the "Giygas isn't Giygas" anon.KEK vehemently denying an extremely obvious fact really is the easiest form of trolling.
>>735802123are you >>735775714?
>>735793427This is just a weird translation right? The Japanese word for physiology (生理) is also used as a euphemism for menstruation. But I assume Itoi just meant literal physiology.
>>735696282>Isn't it weird how no one in the West gave a shit about this in the 1990severyone did, but as a rentalif you were there in the period (you weren't), you'd know that you'd go to blockbuster, the box was big, so you wanted to rent it to see why the box was bigthen you played it, there was someone else's save, you were confused, you tried to start a new save, the sharks kicked you ass, and you maybe did or maybe didn't rent it again because it was cool but it wasn't fun
The fact that EB swapped literal America to fucking "Eagleland" should be evidence enough that the two games aren't related.
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>>735757124>! If you're up for it I'd love to see Paula giving Ness a knee-high sock-clad footjob with her mary janes removed off to the side. Maybe Ness is cumming and a bit above-average in size? Alternatively, same thing but with Ana and Ninten instead, except Ana would be wearing white tights. !<First time catching a live thread with you, been a longtime fan!
>>735802031Are you boiling down the disagreement to "we don't define what a 'sequel' is to be the same?"
>>735802238i wish i knew where the jp version of the interview was to actually see what's being said.
>>735802219If you're claiming similarities on name alone, then the opening title sequence already proves they aren't the same Giegue.
>>735802569you felt the need to add in "direct," you can tell me what you meant by it if my interpretation is wrong.
>>735802650>the opening title sequence for mother 2 saying "name of villain from mother strikes back!' proves that they're not the same characterI admit you got me, I'm too keen to argue, I take bait almost every time.
>>735788546Lol what a faggot you are, go back and never return
>>735802238same one who just replied, but, i could also see how itoi might genuinely refer to menstruation since he's overall talking about dealing with problems that you just have to get through and endure with no other real solution.
Maybe playing this game in Japanese is better.
>>735802867>the raped telling others what to doNo thanks, Earthbound's been my favorite game ever since I played it at the same age you got abused. Keep your fetish to yourself. Nobody gives a fuck about quiet perverts.
>>735803070You're still haunting this thread? Even after I showed you what a fool you are? You will die a dog's death.
>>735803114>even after iYou're not capable of anything besides jacking off to children. You can keep replying, if it's important to you.
>>735803052what do you prefer about the jp version?
>>735803205I'll gladly reply with actual content, while you are naught but a ghost, to be forgotten and never remembered. What a sorrowful life to not have a full spectrum of human emotions.
>>735803273Art is always better with fewer degrees of separation from the artist.
>>735803292true. like coffee being censored to alcohol or ness being censored to wear pajamas.
>>735802606It's from Nintendo Dream Vol. 147 (July 2006). I can't find a scan of it online, though.
Was there an event written in Earthbound where an alien overlord invaded Earth and killed millions? I totally missed that dialogue box.I remember a meteorite landed in Eagleland's Onett and a sentient bee from the future warns a gradeschool child about an upcoming war, though.
>>735803337Yes, did you play the game?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUgyQj5Hw9sI still dont get wth is the point of making a remake of mother 1 if they wont even fix the problems mother 1 had in the first place.
Some of the fanart being posted its so old it makes me nostalgic.
>>735803331i can only find the eng translation for it on the internet archive and fobby.net
I cant find mother 2 deluxe 3.0, only older versions. anyone help plz?
How in the fuck is this thread still up?
>>735696282No one gave a fuck about JRPGs until FF7, even FF6 and Chrono Trigger weren't exactly selling off shelves. Everyone did go back and play the catalog of games after they got a taste. I remember having a hard time finding copies of Chrono Trigger and Earthbound in 1997.
what makes mother special is itoi draws from his own experiences to make games. people making earthbound inspired games don't use their own experiences. they just use earthbound to base their game off of.
>>7358047642 autists argued over m1 giygas being m2 giygas and the opposite for half the thread.
>>735804821it drowned out the pedos at least
>>735804740https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTJn0ozY7kElinks in the description.
>>735804780and in doing so, itoi makes games that feel like you are having a personal connection with itoi. by playing them. it feels like itoi is teaching me lessons from his own experiences. it feels like this old nip dude is telling me everything will be okay despite the horrors of the world and i don't even know this dude. this is how people get attached to these games. or maybe it's just me.but these games tell me things and give me the weird sort of comfort i needed when there was no one else there for me when i needed it.
>>735805248That's the function of art, which used to be the domain of the experienced.
Everyone has that weird phase where they become fans of Earthbound, for like this or the other reason.Later you will naturally come to the conclusion that this game is REALLY overrated, like it is not even among the best RPGS in the SNES let alone that generation. I had come to play the Mega Drive RPG games as of late, a lot of them were just as innovative, maybe is because they follow that odd 90s Brownish - Yellow color palette of adventure games (Even Pc games did that) but Secrets of Evermore, which is the other game Toby Fox took inspiration from, deserves more attention.Earthbound is fine but it is super simplistic in contrast to what was going on, the funny part is that it is highly praised by guys in their late teens or early 20s but if you had played Earthbound as a kid you would had felt robbed given it was neither Dragon Quest or Final Fantasy 3/VI.I don't think anyone would had prefer at the time Earthbound over Pokemon.
>>735804764thread is happythread is blue
>>735805692Nope, been my favorite game since I was a kid. Yes, I'm aware that that's because it was the right time to play it. yes, I'm aware of the gameplay flaws. Don't care, it's an earnest and touching story and people don't need to appreciate it as anything more than that.Stop letting FOTM fags define your perception of a game's fans, retard.
>>735805692i don't care if you think my appreciation of the mother series is invalid or whatever. these games resonated with me and i love itoi's writing.
>>735771201>>735764526love buttswell done
>>735806430Cutematora!
>>735788996I have one.Blue Paula double handy on the Dept.Store Mook that captures her. But she doesnt seem to mind.
>”This Mother 3 NPC exhibits a number of intriguing parallels with the deuteragonists featured in the original Mother, and EarthBound—respectively. Among these notable similarities are the distinctive pink dresses the 3 women are donning, their shared interest in religious or spiritual themes, and their striking blonde hair. At first glance, one might be tempted to dismiss these resemblances as mere coincidences or casual nods from the developers to earlier works in the series.”Maybe this guy is reading too much into it.https://www.reddit.com/r/earthbound/comments/1s3kvqq/can_we_please_talk_about_this_random_npc_from_m3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
>>735805692I think it kind of sucks to play but the ending is so memorable and left me feeling such a bizarre mix of emotions that it'll always hold a place in my heart. I feel similarly with the first game, it made me feel the same way but with a very different vibe and it was spread through more of the game instead of packed all at the final boss. I haven't gotten around to 3 yet for a handful of reasons, I hope I like it as much
>>735806430It's not that is invalid but there is a reason people like it for every reason but the gameplay.The pace is kind of when you get to Fourside.Then it is somewhat linear to the end.
>>735805836Fucking no one owned this game at $100 at the time, you lying tranny.>FOTM fagsThe fuck are you on about? Earthbound has had a fanbase for decades now but became increasingly popular way before Undertale.But again it is a phase, it will always be phase because it resonates more with adults than with kids.If you had to rate all the SNEs games Mother would barely make it to the top 10 and even then you would be very bias with that decision.It has no replay value and the gameplay is mid by RPG standards of the era.
>>735807836yeah, that is true then. the gameplay is nothing special and even drags sometimes. but i still love the mother games.
>>735807989when are people not biased when rating their favorite games though? and games are a sum of their parts. that's how something like mother 2 can have mediocre gameplay but still be amazing because of everything else.
>>735807785Mother 1 and 3 have great endings.Mother 2 ends in a cliffhanger after a non boss fight despite the fact Cave of the Past is the perfect spot for late game grinding.The gameplay is really standard of an RPG and RPGs went through a lot at the time, a lot of experimentation in the 16 bit era.Fourside and Dungeon Man mark the points where the pacing becomes kind of sluggish.I cannot say I like the way Mother 2 concludes, I feel my opinion at the time I was deeply into these games was shaped by Starmen net and Chugga, not sure how would I had feel about the ending without heavy recontextualization, especially without knowing he was the antagonist of the first game and all the changes he went through.He feels barley involved into this as a character and him erasing his emotions and what he perceived as weakness breaking him needed further exploration.Again, as a kid I would had thought the ending was dumb, without context I would had thought the ending was rushed, but I played the games after watching youtube videos about knowing what to expect.
I still need to finish my Earthbound playthrough. I reached the dinosaur area / lava caves but just sorta stopped playing there. I know it's not too far away from the end of the game too. But the late-game inventory management really takes away a lot of the fun, all my characters have full inventories, the storage is nearly completely full, and I don't know what to keep or get rid off, maybe I should just toss all future items I get and just push through the rest of the game.
>>735808230I did the same thing. But I beat Magicant, I think. I forgot about it for years, then in '24 I just started over and beat it.
>>735808225I played 1 first and I'm really glad I did, it makes a huge difference. Even without it though, the final boss's tone shift and that "nobody back home really understands how fucked this is" feeling is pretty special
>>735808216>that's how something like mother 2 can have mediocre gameplay but still be amazing because of everything else.Exactly the point.I am not a JRPG buff, and look I even got a Mother 1+2 cartridge with me but if you take into account all the games in the SNES library Mother gets pushed out of the top 10 quickly.Again, fine doesn't mean trash but it definitively is overrated when you look at the bigger picture.Especially because the time frame this game is referencing gets further, and further away.There is a feeling of nostalgia encapsulated in this game but at one point it just as relevant as the Wonder Years was to Gen X.
>>735808230The illusion of free choice, my man, I lucked out and got like a couple of power items in my run without actually grinding. The sword for example in the Stonehenge base. It doesn't matter, Earthbound is not that deep, just equip items that have the larger number and keep moving onwards. The only REAL inventory change that kind of makes a difference is the Bat that is dropped in Magicant before the area boss but has a low chance to drop in one particular area and it literally doesn't matter, like it is a one turn difference and you only have like at best a few hours left to the end.Super Mario RPG involves more decision making than Earthbound.
>>735808225>Mother 2 ends in a cliffhanger after a non boss fightso does mother 1.>>735808523i mean i think it makes sense why mother 2 would get in top 10 snes games for someone no matter how mediocre it feels to actually play. it's probably my favorite snes game anyway despite that. i think you're basing overrated-ness on only one factor of video games when there's also sound design, music, presentation, graphics, story, writing, atmosphere, characters, world building, etc.i don't think earthbound is overrated in any of those categories.
Good night EarthBound thread.
goodbye and see you in the next thread
>>735805836Saying Earthbound is your favorite RPG is fine.Saying Earthbound is the best RPG is stupid.
