It's over. Tekken 8 is over.
>>735788881I figured that out years ago. I thought pro players were supposed to be smart?
>>735788905The Tekken community was collectively trying to go for the "fell for it again" award world record
Hey Michael Murray pic rel when they fire your dumbass
the just need to remove heat, remove chip damage, buff lateral movement, buff backdashes, nerf combo damage and rework all the characters
>Double down on retarded mechanics s2 >back to "basics" with S3>triple downs on the retarded mechanicsThe red pill is: if the game had been abandoned by players at season 2 when they announced no patches to the game for a year because of "muh e sports" they would have fixed it by now. But people kept playing so they have 0 reason to listen to these retards including Knee because they wont stop playing.
I fell for the back to basics.
>>735789030look at it, michael
>>735789067>they wont stop playing.Yeah I don't understand it. For example MainManSWE is like "I fucking hate Tekken 8... but I've played Tekken for 30 years so I still like Tekken and will continue to play Tekken"Stockholm Syndrome?
>>735789042So release T5 with rollbackSign me up
>>735788881Game is all luck based mashing. Very unfun to play
>>735789193Tekken and Smash are close cousins in this regard. The players simply refuse to play anything but the latest entry, no matter how bad things get.
It can be fixed but that requires the devs to first acknowledge there are problems. They had a whole fucking YEAR to work on S3 and respond to the growing backlash and they double downed instead, giving everyone extremely lazy new moves.
>>735789193Hes a content creator, he doesnt want to actually get a job
The instant I saw this and Paul's bogged face, I knew. And no one believed.
>>735789193Yeah he has some nerve to pretty much call BlackHeart's reaction catastrophising when he's part of the problem
Reina deserved a better game
>>735789310Complaining about any visual aspect before any amount of the fuckery of the actual gameplay makes you look like a retard. Karen Paul is so far down on the list of problems.
>>735789193I thought he was switching to DotA which seems like a sidegrade if he wanted a game that wasn't dead
Street Fighter won
>>735788881Suddenly I don't want Soul Calibur 7 anymore.
>>735789193Similarly to Smash, Tekken players don't want to play other games, they want to play Tekken.Myself included. I don't want to play street fighter, I don't want to play granblue, and I don't want to touch strive with a 10 foot pole.>inb4 virtua fighterVirtua fighter also sucks and is even more of a mashing offensive game than T8 is.
>>735789391Welcome to /v/, it’s just casuals that don’t really give a fuck about gameplay
>>735789042>They just need to do things they completely refuse to do
>>735789280>It can be fixed but that requires the devs to first acknowledge there are problems.They already did the naked dogeza with the season 3 announcement trailer, it's doomed. There's nothing left to fall for.
>>735789391Not really. It's an obvious red flag if they can't even get a character model to look as good as games from 15 years ago
>>735789460This. Bamco won't rerelease old games too and we don't want Bamco to butcher the franchise like how they butcher Tekken now. SCfags needs to know this.
Good. This just means TTT3 is closer, if the game is gonna suck or not that's for another day
>>735789379>Make reina to replace heihachi>"I will avenge my father!">Bring back Heihachi immediatelySo did no one let the writers know this was the idea?
How to fix Tekken and modern fighters in general>1. Have lowtiergod as the lead directorThat's it.
>>735789779Heihachi and Reina have a lot of differences. Saying Reina was meant to replace Heihachi is nothing more than marketing speak to hype her up and sell her to people who would otherwise try and stay away from playing girl characters
>>735789739Bro, 8 has only sold 3 million copies in 2 years and it's 80% off. 7 sold 12 million. Namco will just kill Tekken off. There will never be a Tag 3.
>>735788881what's wrong with it?
>>735789945Yeah I'm talking more from a narrative perspective. Gameplay wise they're so fucking different, I'd even say Reina plays a lil more like Lars or Jin than Hei.
>>735789940Straight men don't wear earrings
>No more Tekken>No more Soul CaliburGrim
>>735789779Still don't understand why they couldn't just pull a Kazumi. She's dead in 7 and still playable.Writers had to pull a "somehow Heihachi survived" in the new chapter and that was lame as hell
>>735790074you won't be straight either once his covenant has its way with you
>>735789779>heihachi is compretery dead!!!>I lied tee-heeCouldn't they just go the nightmare geese road?
>>735790063even Heihachi doesn't play like Heihachi anymore with what the fuck they did to him in Tekken 8. Turned a Mishima into a fucking stance rushdown character.
>>735790005The tldr is tekken has primarily (not always) been a game prioritizing defense. 8 flipped the script and most characters are best played as offensive rushdowns. There are more minute problems as well but that is the major one, being constantly plus or neutral on block, and so many moves having insane tracking where stepping wrong leads to a 45% life loss into oki.People don't like this. The devs said "we'll fix it" and buffed everyone twice.
>>735790001Tekken is still to profitable compared to how cheap it is to make it. There's no way they aren't going to keep shitting out tekken games.
>>735788881>TekkenSTF as Chun Li and JuriGuilty Gear as BridgetWho the fuck is a popular Tekken girl? Every one just looks aggressively Korean.
>>735788881>>735789067I don't understand. there were massive mechanic changes inbetween seasons? is this something only tournyfags would care?
>>735789252I mean I still get games in 7 when I boot it up
It actually fucking BAFFLING how much the dev team has been trying to kill this game. Like I genuinely cannot believe the amount of fucked up decisions.
>>735788881Whoever added the Heat system that nobody liked has too much ego.
>>735790447Lili has insane amounts of porn.
>>735790319Yeah the changes to Heihachi are fucking wild, most of my friends who played him in the past don't even fuck with him now.>>735790138>>735790183Yeah zero idea why they decided to bring him back canonically in S1 of the very next game. They should have just done nightmare geese route and MAYBE bring him back in T9.
>>735790535
Has elbow chimed in yet?
I will love Tekken and play the older games forever but at this point I just want Dead or Alive to come quickly and end this fucking franchise please. At this point I'll even take Virtua Fighter. Anything to put Tekken out of its misery. Just need one of them to not fuck it up.
>>735788905Tekken players can't get their fix elsewhere so they will always come crawling back, hoping that Bamco will get it right next time. 9 will be the same way when SC, DOA, and VF are too different from Tekken for them to be comfortable.
>>735789252>meleefag thinks he's part of the team
Battle Arena Toshinden 3
>>735788881who gives a shit about what some ugly gook says, its still the best coomer game out there.https://files.catbox.moe/m5xxc6.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/niqbrf.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/y0yw9l.mp4https://files.catbox.moe/3oue5h.mp4
So whats going to happen once sales dont improve and DLC flops?
- get rid of all mechanics like heat, rage drive- leave a small comeback/super mechanic about half as strong as T7's rage art- improve all base movement to nearly Soul Calibur levels- leave KBD in the game but make it so worthless and such a small increase in movement frames that only pros will bother with that FUCKING BULLSHIT- all feathers, capes, furcoats, fucking goggles and body armor removed from all characters and alternative costumes- reduce all particle effects by 70%- MORE GRAVITY IN COMBOS, no more 45 second long combos that let you juggle a human body in the air from one side of stage to the other- LESS DAMAGE IN COMBOS, SEE PIC RELATED- no create a character allowed in ranked
>>735788881just add rollback to t7 and problem solved, no lucky chloe no buy
>>735791087But anon Tekken 7 is 3.
>>735791012Game ends on season 3. There is no 2.0 update to save the game it's too late.
>>735790831I really hope they don't fuck up DOA7 this time. Their decisions with 6LR make me nervous already though.
>>735790618Reina truly was the only one that kept me going in this kusoge
>>735790831Have you try to play DOA or VF yet? DOA has f2p on both games and DOA6LR is going to have f2p too.
>>735790468the mechanics were awful from day 1 but the cope in season 1 was that season 2 would fix it. season 2 instead made it worse. the cope was then that season 3 would unfuck what season 2 did. it didn't
>>735791161>Their decisionsWhich one?
>>735789252Every smash game has been better than the last except for the melee you are felating being inferior to the one before itI mean I would have liked a proper subspace style mode though
>>735791280>No Mai and Kula>No word on rollback>No word on crossplay>Not just giving some of the DoA6 outfits for free>No decreased price for DOA6 ownersIt just sounds like a cash grab to me.
tekken players are subhumans and deserve tekken 8 for how unreasonably obnoxious, annoying, and european they are
>>735788881Besides complaining about catering to the modern audience (which literally every single fighting game has been doing for the past 10 years and you're retarded if you haven't notice) what makes Tekken BAD? I watch Maxdood playing it when it was "bad" Season 2 and the game looks fun as hell. So much that I am prepping my Tekken 8 freshstart for Kunimitsu patch. I'm gonna play the cute Kuni and I hope she gets Blender stuff! But what makes the game bad though? /v/ doesn't play fighting games btw so I expect a lot of generic responses.
>>735791217Yeah, I've played every DOA game and unironically think it has always been superior to Tekken. As a series Dead or Alive only has one "not good" game, compared to Tekken which has a few lame games (1, 5 vanilla, 6) and one outright fucking insult to life called Tekken 8.
Why do people keep making threads about games they don't play?Is it some subtle shilling tactic or mental illness?
>>735791412Oh yeah understandable.
>>735791000>4k>catboxthose images take like 5 minutes to open and your internet speed doesn't make a differencepeople need to stop using that shit fucking site
>>735791464"good" and "bad" are subjective, and the game isn't doing anything older games that people liked and played did. the main thing people don't like is that it's too 'different' compared to previous entries in the series, and tekken players are too accustomed too getting the exact same game every few years
>>735791369This is a Tekken thread, butlol, lmao
>>735788881Ookie Gooky has an opinion? ITS FUCKING OVER
>>735788881Remember when everyone shat on that finnish reviewer shitting on this game. Turns out they were right all along.
>>735790319Hei's real descriptor in this game isn't stance rushdown so much as combo demon who does half of your health or more on a launcher, while putting you at the wall armed with an i10 hit confirmable wallsplat and has heat active.Plus his free round install.
>>735791467Nice.
>>735788881>moonsault slayerthat guy is a gigantic faggot and so are you
>>735789252The problem with Smash and Tekken both is that there's no competitors. Every other platform fighter is just "worse smash" and the only other 3D fighter with anything is Virtual Fighter, and you're a fucking rube if you let yourself get excited by anything SEGA does.
>>735791730Well at least the heat smash doesn't wall splat now :)
>>735788881Don't care.Playing DOA Penis Vacation.
>>735791580i got banned on streamable indefinitely for putting nsfw shit in it, tf you want me to do?
just make it T7 with better graphics
>>735791464>I watch MaxdoodJEJ
>"back to basics"
Tekken was only good because Harada beta tested the game in arcades for a year+, then console got the final balanced version
>>735791000>man with zero standards calls rancid dogshit 8 the best coomer game(because of mods)You posted reina so your opinion comes from a place of genuine ignorance and lack of knowledge about what's out there and what came before Tekken 7 or 8 but christ man it's like posting strive modded and saying it's the best coomer game.
>>735792095>kuni>2d guestsI'd really rather not.
>>735791603You saw>I watch maxdoodand thought that nigger wasn't either pretending to be retarded or so stupid he isn't worth replying to?
>>735792002>Playing
>>735791730The first clip in this video is basically all you need to know about how Heihachi plays nowhttps://youtu.be/F2U-XxoOLVY?si=Nb51ooO9z2ADGYun
SEASON 4 BACK TO BASICS TRUST THE PLAN
>>735792247I don't care about this fucking animal in his pedo dungeon
>>735792162seethe and sneed
Season 4 will be a return to form
so what, some random comment? get a life
>>735792002Only mentally retarded indians play gacha trash, fuck off fag
>>735791000>feng doesn't punish the -13 WRA powercrush >you hellsweep his -26 low instead of FC. DF3 or 4 This gameplay is pretty fucking garbo.
is vf6 going to save 3d fighting games or nah?
>>735791936>Every other platform fighter is just "worse Smash"The issue is that Smash's strength isn't the gameplay, nor is it the content - it's the brand(s). It isn't hyperbolic to suggest that at least 95% of people who play Smash play it for the brands. They want to play as Mario, Sonic, Cloud, etc. The gameplay is irrelevant, and that's the area where other games are better than Smash. I would rather play NASB2, RoA2, or a mod like P+ or Remix than play any modern Smash game, but that's because I'm in the minority that's interested in the gameplay, not the brands. For anyone who cares about the latter more than the former, these are actually "just worse Smash", but it's pointless to try to appeal to this audience because no one has stronger brands than Nintendo.The tl;dr is that no matter how good alternative platform fighters are, they can't compete with Smash. The most they can hope for is a small, dedicated core audience. This doesn't stop people from comparing them to a series that not only they but real fighting games like SF and Tekken can't compete with.>the only other 3D fighter with anything is Virtua FighterRIP Soulcalibur
wait a second...>hakkixoh it's the attention hungry brownoid from vg. Or worse someone who thought his shitty images and gameplay were worth saving.
Virtua Fighter selling well and potentially pulling players away is LITERALLY the only thing that will get the devs to even TRY
>>735791603I see. So it's just a bunch of old heads upset the game is being modernized like every other game. I guess it's justified in some ways but it's like they're pretending it wasn't going to happen eventually. Every fighting game devs has been saying for the last few years that in order for their IPs to continue they need to introduce the games to a new audience. Strive and Street Fighter 6 were both successful in achieving that goal so it was only a right that Tekken follows. But what's even sadder is that the Tekken fanbase is one of the few that has never continued playing the older games. Meanwhile that's been the norm for every other fighting game out there. Many people play the older KOFs, the older SFs, the older GuiltyGears, DOAs, VFs, etc. But no one plays Tekken 5, 6, 7, Tag 2, Tag 1, etc.
>>735792625>fighting game that's not street fighter>selling welllol
>>735792573>2026 sega>saving anythinglol, watch half of the game (including stuff critical for gameplay) be dlc and the DLC characters be tier 0
>>735792573Definitely not, same for DoA7 and even a theoretical SC7.
I hate.
>>735788881Tekken hasn't been good since Tekken 3. It's gameplay flanderized itself.
>>735792752I don't get it. Why didn't you play T7 as much as T8? less than 100 hours? I can only assume you recently got the other games
>>735792521who cares, sweatlord. folks like you are always miserable and can't grasp the fun in simpler things.
>>735792573The only people who ever thought it would is tekken players. Nobody gives one shit about VF and haven't in decades.
>>735792573absolutely not. can't even properly coom to it, most of the cast is ugly men
>>735792876I'm pretty newfag on playing online in 3D fighters and unironically Tekken 7 and DOA5LR were my first. Back then I only played for the singleplayer which is worth it for me.
>>735788881You faggots said the same thing about season 2 yet continued to play (and give money to Murray and his merry band dipshits)
I just don't understand why fight game devs are REFUSE to add varying modes to play their games like practically any other online game easily allows you to. There should be at the very least "New" and "Classic" modes to pick from in terms of how the game plays. For instance, from my perspective I would return to Street Fighter 6 if Capcom implemented a mode which removed the drive system entirely. You can claim it would divide the playerbase but I think that's never been tested, and my gut says it would actually *increase* it. It feels more like there are people who literally do not want to admit this "more is more" design ideology isn't for everyone.
>>735792950because vf5 is too old and outdated. I can see the new game being good
>>735792752this is self-harm
>>735792752This anon doing his part. Will (You) doing your part?
>>735788881I was here for the season 2 outrage but what is wrong with season 3? Are we just mad about frame data or is there something else?
>>735792367Is that Gabe Newell?
>>735789067>triple downs on the retarded mechanicsI play fighting games but not Tekken; I heard about how much they buffed safe mixups and damage in Season 2, did they really do that again after all the complaints or did they fuck up in a different way?
>>735793214no, its notch
>>735793125Nah despite the amount of hours on all games I mostly play offline. I also have other fighters to play though other than 3D fighters.
>>735793082Because SF6 doesn't work if you remove the drive system, the entire game is built around it
>>735793082This would make balancing a pain in the ass. Fighting game balancing teams are often just three people in a basement and five others who aren't good at it because nip devs still think you can design a game's gameplay with only ten people like in the '90s.
>>735793175You know how before S2 they specifically said it was a defensive patch showed Drag's fuckass mid sneak heat engager nerf before gigabuffing everyone? They did that again.
>>735789193>MainManSWEhe's never gonna to stop playing tekken, who's he trying to fool? It can get 10x worse than s3 and he's still gonna play it
>>735793082They won't remove drive system because:1. All the top players would switch to that mode.2. That mode would not look as flashy to casuals who only watch Evo, then FOMO purchase the game. The flashiest game with the most "epic" moments gets the most FOMO.
>>735793235>did they really do that again after all the complaints or did they fuck up in a different way?It's pretty obvious by now that they won't abandon their vision of turning Tekken into a 2D fighter with occasional sidestepping like those licensed games they mass produced for PSP back in the day
>>735793328I don't agree with that. If anything the game feels like a good game was developed first, and then the drive system was bolted on to it. >>735793362Capcom has the money, stop making excuses for them.
Post yfw you never bought Tekken 8 in the first place
>>735788881i remember playing this at a friend's place shortly after it came out, picking jack, pressing 3+4 to fly but ended up going into some gay ass flexing stance instead. haven't touched it since. and from what (little) i've seen every tom, dick and harry has some kind of stance now to extend pressure and to make the game "more hype" or whatever. the fucking state of this series, dear lord.
>>735793471>yfw I have other fighters to play than Tekken 8
>>735793393>The flashiest game with the most "epic" moments gets the most FOMO.Casuals/Tournament watchers don't like Tekken 8 either because all the red and blue explosive bs they added destroy the bitrate and make streams unwatchable
>>735789779Her voice is very alluring
>>735793554It's also a terrible spectator game because it just looks like brainless mashing
>>735793469If you remove Drive Rush:>most moves are minus on block, meaning almost no one can start pressure>most moves are too minus on hit to link outside point blank range>hit-confirm windows are still too narrow for 99% of the players>overheads become useless>the few characters with good OD moves or specials can start pressure, skewing the character balanceIf you remove Drive Parry>moves built around parry now become dominant>fireballs become much better to the point of possibly being obnoxiousIf you remove Drive Impact>no stun>moves like Ed's flicker/OD flicker now have next to zero counterplayIf you remove Drive Reversal>no way out of some pressure sequences like JP going into SA2 or Lily's Condor Spire>no reversal at all for characters without OD reversalsA character like JP is entirely built around the fact you have to drive rush at him in the mid-range because that lets you get through ghostsThere's a good reason characters who can't abuse system mechanics are dogshit
You deserve this for not supporting Virtua Fighter
>>735793832>if you remove the modern audience the game will be funthat's what the older games are for. shame you don't play them
Capcom Won
>>735788881MURRAY, SEE TEKKEN:TT2 OR DR? LIKE THIS. DO THAT. FUCK. ITS NOT HARD.
>>735793235Yes here is a smidge of the stupidity of from April 1st of last year's season 2 patch. Please notice the lars portion.
>>735792917>Who cares>People like you just want to play the game, not mod it and jerk off
>>735792752Respect.
>>735793910Whether or not anyone plays them, the modern game is being regarded as dog shit
>>735793235And here is them doing the exact same shit with lars talking about wanting him to be even EASIER and wanting sidestepping against him more of a fuckin risk.
>>735788881this korean got KEKED by Paki chads so many times he decided to quit lol
>>735789494>Virtua fighter also sucks and is even more of a mashing offensive game than T8 is.Tekkenfags really do live in their own fucked up universe and have built their own endless loop of suffering. I get the frustration of seeing your favorite franchise go to shit, but it's amazing how they'll still have the gall to turn around and say that every other fighting game out there sucks compared to a fighting game that's so shitty that it's damn near universally agreed upon that it sucks ass.Like I want to feel bad for them, but you offer a Tekkenfag any other option to help them get out of their abusive relationship and they just spit on it before going back to this game that they fucking hate, so you just sit back and watch them sit in their own filth while they delude themselves into thinking that things will be fine if they just wait for T9 which will totally fix everything and not be ass like the last decade or so of Tekken.
>>735788881Doesn't matter anyway: Don't Ask Me For Shit™-man is gone. Series is now dead.
>>735794019I never actually read the patchnotes for some of the other characters. The fucking audacity for them to say it's difficult for lars players to overcome defense and adaptation while they're slobbering on their controllers is unreal.
>>735794297>the modern game is being regarded as dog shitBy who? Old farts who can barely execute their moves from their couch? Tekken is about to find its new player base like GG. Out with the old and in with the new. You spend more time hating modern games than playing the games you like. You're invested lol
>>735794457>what do you mean you won't consider the steaming plate of shit as an alternative, you are so entitled!Nobody cares about VF for a reason.
michael murray is just more proof that hiring gaijin people, especially ones that look like him with that haircut and/or face, won't work well for your company
>>735792573>VF6>saving anythingThey gotta generate interest first which they haven't done in the past 1.5 years of announcing its existence.
>>735794612I genuinely started to believe in that roald dahl ugly people ugly thoughts image more and more after that motherfucker and nakatsu getting their hands on Tekken.
>>735794583I'm not even talking about just VF, I don't give much of a shit about it either. But you have an entire goddamn genre you could be playing, but your brain is so hooked on this one brand that anytime you look elsewhere, all you see is shit.I couldn't imagine having that thought process, I'd hate fighting games if I was like that.
PLAY OTHER FIGHTING GAMES YOU RETARDS. DON'T TORTURE YOURSELF EVERYDAY WITH ONE FUCKING FIGHTING GAME.
>>735788881Seems like fighting games as a whole are over. Everything about them after that era from 2016-2020 is a pale imitation of everything that came before.After SC6 died, I pretty much gave up on the genre. Strive and SF6 brought some life into a dying corpse, but the genre and the games therein are way past their peak
>>735789460FUCK YOU
>>735793832Clearly you'd have to re-balance the game. Don't be facetious.
>>735794457An anon already mentioned it itt, but there's a shocking amount of fans of SF and Tekken fans that straight up refuse to play anything that isn't their brand. If they're not calling every other franchise in the genre shit, they just don't seem to know that it exists.You'd think that a Tekkenfag would at least look at something like Soulcalibur since it's by the same studio, but nope a lot of Tekkenfags think that series is shit too.
>>735793554Interesting point...
https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2026/mar/24/bandai-namco-unnamed-fighting-game/Lmaoing to those who currently believe and smoke hopium on this.
>>735794928SoulCalibur VI had a gimmick that was almost as bad as heat, a worse online and shitty customs and created characters that completely broke ranked. People only loved it because it was the first SoulCalibur in ages (and no, V will never be SoulCalibur no matter how much revisionist zoomers dickride it)
>>735795230Tekken 8 is entering its third year and even the shittiest, most simple games take at least three years to make so i believe this is Tekken 9 (and its good to know that at least Nakkatsu and Yasuda Esports are in the streets once T8 goes EOL)
>>735794787Tekken is cool.The other games are lame. When I get to the point where I would rather just not play tekken 8 at all, I will move on and play something else outside of this genre. It is cool to sidestep and punish with an EWGFIt is lame to have to sit and wait for the projectile spammer to get greedy and over commit. I have zero interest in that kind of game. It is that simple.
>>735788881Then stop playing it? Oh right, they won't. Because that's their job pretty much, this people don't play games to have fun but to make money and now that they can get beaten by any random retard they no longer like the game, well too fucking bad.
>>735788881Of course they can fix it. But it would take a massive amount of effort, and besides, they don't actually want toThey specifically want Tekken 8 to be a casual masher party game with endless plus frames for everyone no questions asked and minimal counter-play, because that's where they think the money and the future of the series is. Namco has wanted to do this for a long time because casuals crave instant gratification and are daunted by the game's depth. Nobody wants to spend years learning a character, they want to do cool shit now and win. Tekken 8 gives them that
>>735795240I don't deny any of that. It's not like Duty Fighter V or Kekken 7 were any good either. I'm just glad we had one last SoulCalibur game made for before they sunset the series for good hopefully considering the state of Tekken now.
>>735795334There are other 3D fighters tho.You can sidestep and hit people in say Virtua Fighter or Dead or Alive or Soul Calibur
>>735795486it doesn't even do that properly. casuals hate the game also
>>735789193Sunk cost fallacy, nostalgia, and the simple fact that guys like mmswe won't have any online presence without Tekken>>735789252Smash Ultimate is still a functioning Smash Bros game. Tekken 8 is practically a 2D fighter at this point where the 80% of the several thousand moves or so that it has are pretty much redundant
>>735788881I don't get it. I still don't fucking get it. Why is bamco so shitty recently? It's not only Tekken, Tales series is getting a shitty treatment, Code Vein 2 sucks, God Eater is forgotten, that new SAO game looks a little too late, Naruto Storm Connection sucks, DB Sparking Zero kinda felt forgotten even to the point Bamco gives up the dothack IP to CC2 to which are the true developers of the franchise. Since when and how?
>>735795835they're focusing all their good efforts on idolm@ster
>>735794457Brand loyalty is some of the dumbest shit you could have in a genre like fighting games, especially now with a lot of franchises undergoing massive gameplay changes to try and attract people that don't play. But people will defend turds and shit on everything else like their lives depend on it.>acknowledge that game is shit>stop playing shit>play something elsePlayers of other genres sometimes understand this, but most fighting game players would rather eat a bullet than try something new.
>>735788881KAMIKEN8 CAN'T BE INPROVED
>>735795835Bamco has been coasting and focusing solely on monetization for well over 14 years and since the genuinely talented developers who know how to make soulful games despite the odds are retiring or leaving they're being replaced by incompetent people who have only worked on shit like gacha
>>735795486>massive effortit would absolutely not be one considering single modders have done shit people have been begging them to do and even fucking ARCSYS with their sub 200 employees can fucking recognize when something isn't working and just take it out the damn game.
>>735795545Tekken fans literally cannot fuck with Virtua Fighter. The flow does not suit them, the fact you have to actively hold a block button melts their brain on top of how move interactions work being the polar opposite of Tekken.
>>735795517>>735795240Soul calibur died with 4.I had a damn good time playing 4 online back on the Ps3.Balance was pretty good too.I think Hilda was the only one who was considered op back then
y'know niggers are shit posting when they praise SC4 in any manner when referring to the actual balance
>>735789779she plays nothing like him and isn't a replacement. and i refuse to play as a woman.
>>735788881they literally just need to reduce tracking, make sidestepping better, and allow you punish if you do sidestep. there is no reason to be hit by a move that whiffed due to your avoidance, and because you dared to punch into somebody's back.
>>735797215Tourists don't remember Yoda
>>735798213>Tourists don't remember StarkillerFixed.
why doesn't tekken have a krav maga character
>>735798752Same reason why there's no BJJ rep. Because holds are fucking boring.
>>735789030Based Harada crashed T8 with no survivors so that VF and DoA could have their best chance at revival.
>>735798752I want a pencak silat character which somehow so far only exists on DOA6 lol.
>>735790159kek
>>735794910but but the FGC only plays popular brand fighters, not small time indie fighters that influencers don't push!https://store.steampowered.com/app/2463800/Iron_Saga_VS/
>>735795034To be fair, certain types of fighters are just too different from oneanother. Like, people who went all-in with melty blood from the beginning, stuck with it through re-act, AC, etc etc to the shit point of current. They might explore other high-mobile anime fighters like arcana heart or some shit, but they were always going to stay away from tekken, SC, etc. Some of them probably went interchangably with SNK entries, but few of them dropped into street fighter.It's the same thing other directions. Imagine trying to tell a soulsfag that guilty gear is just as good as SC. Not happening. Not ever fucking happening.
>>735788905tekken team had a 20 year track record of putting out bad/imbalanced first iterations and then improving them. people gave them the benefit of the doubt with 8 because of this, and were spat in the face for it.
>>735788881No Yun-Seong, no buy some.
>>735792521that guys a cheater too LMAO
>>735788881is t8 at least a funny kusoge now
>>735788881It was over the moment Aris didn't like it.
>>735796801yoda is literally one of the very few times a fighting game character has been banned outright from all comp play
>>735789391As a paul main, this is untrue. I despise this paul look more than his story relevance drop off post tekken 3.
anyone wanna play 5 dr?
>>735788881Is this some odd way to open the path to get more 3D fighting games now? VF6, DoA7, a new Soulcal even?
Owarida
>>735790468>>735793235Basically they made most characters so combo-heavy that every single trade with a knockdown in a combo is a 50/50; you fuck up a single guard and you lost over half your health since for the next 10-15 seconds you got wailed on helplessly. Then in season 3, they didn't actually nerf or change any of this, and instead actually added MORE moves to make aggression even worse. After they advertised season 2 as having more defensive options, which they added none of unless your best defense is a great offense, and after the back to basics claims for season 3 that were also blatant lies. At this point whoever is dictating the claims for each season is clearly just bullshitting or has zero communication with the developers who just keep trucking on besides a couple patch panic responses to season 2's launch.At this rate I half expect the community to either just sit down, bitch and moan and eat shit, or to split off for something else of a community effort, and that won't do shit about the casual normies stuck in the cycle.
>>735801481It's certainly not a deliberate attempt at that, but it will be easier for DOA and VF to make an impact now, I think. Tekken fans by and large will just want Tekken, I'm sure, but if frustrations continue and there's enough excitement around either one of those as Tekken's reputation is still in the pits, I could see them at least doing better than they would otherwise, even if they still don't overtake Tekken.
>>735801596tekken fans will see the hold system and shit themselves
Virtua Fighter 4 looks more fun. 5 just looks meh
>>735789042they will never do all of thisit couldn't possibly be more over
>>735801481>new soulcal evenIt's Bamco...
>>735791713Too bad they removed the review and gave it a 9/10
>>735789940Zesty Buck actin' a fool*spits out chewing tobacco*What say we have ourselves teach him a lesson eh, boys?
>>735792653>But no one plays Tekken 5, 6, 7, Tag 2, Tag 1, etc.it's not some mystery. the netcode for older games is really bad if you emulate them, and there's no fightcade equivalent for tekken. for as much as people shit on 8's netcode, it's still ten times better than like 6's for example. i would love to play 6 online with modern netcode.
>>735801865gay
>>735802124Man, the Smash Bros community was autistic enough to make a Melee with rollback netcode for Slippi, you'd think after what happened last year someone would try for Tekken but I guess no one's that focused. Though localized netplay with PS2 isn't really a hot thing I guess.
>>735792154im still shocked bamco just completely gave up on arcade tekken midway through t7.
>>735802210
>>735789310>Paul understandable>Asukai love her new outfit, go fuck yourself
>>735788881i haven't played tekken since near the end of season 1 what did they actually fuck up despite saying they were returning to basics
>>735789042tekken 8 is built around heat, lil bro
>>735802430Pretending to be a retarded faggot is the same thing as actually being a retarded faggot.
>>735789494>I don't want to touch strive with a 10 foot pole.at this point I dont think anyone sensible does.
>>735802613not really, what you mean is they spent a bunch of money on making it so they can't back down and admit they were retarded
>>735792876t7 netplay is kinda shitty
>>735795486omg hi yoshimitsu
>>735802690nah, what i mean is that it's literally balanced around it, lil bro
>>735789042They're making way for Soulcalibur VII, trust
>>735798213Yoda turned out to be shit after the initial shock of him being immune to grabs wore off.
Least they're getting all of their experimentation out of the way on T8 so that T9 can be an actual clean slate once they received enough backlash from T8.
>>735803480Sometimes it's good to be naive.
>>735802590"back to basics" ended up just being a marketing tagline and not a promise to rework what players don't like about the game. in effect the season 3 patch was just a continuation of the direction season 2 went in (covering character weaknesses and encouraging plus frame stance pressure flowcharts) but with about half as many changesso it's not as bad as the season 2 launch but it's the exact opposite of what players were hoping for
>>735803480Don't forget skepticism anon.
>>735795486The number of things they would have to change would basically make it a new game it would be such an extreme effort
>>735788881>"Tekken 8 is over">3 million+ copies sold>player count has been stable for almost an entire year>this include the tournament players that are actively complaining>still doing better than every fighting game that isn't named "Street Fighter"Tekken fags are just coping with the fact that the series caught up with all the casual friendly trends it missed by sheer luck of Tekken 7 having a drawn out development/release that started right before this shit got out of hand. Any hope of stopping this left with Harada, Tekken is at the mercy of the executives at Bamco and Murray, who has been complaining about core Tekken mechanics for as long as he's been involved.
>>735791369smash 4 and ult are terrible bro lol
>>735804186>made by namcoI'm noticing a pattern here.
>>735796229It's not just a simple matter of removing stuff if they want the game to get in top shape, it would require a shitload of tweaks and balances to ensure the game's many moving parts work in tandem and restore balance/strategyIf they just rip shit out and call it a day we'd be no better off than we currently are, maybe even worse>>735803834Exactly
>>735789779>>735790138>>735790183Maybe I'm giving them too much credit, but I think they were initially serious about killing him off, only to get cold feet late in development. Either they felt it was wrong for him to be absent from the 30th anniversary, or Harada simply didn't like the idea of his favourite character being canonically dead. I also think season 1 only got story DLC because Heihachi was there.
>>735804230even if some may jest, it's not unfair to say that bamco just rots everything it touches now
>>735789391Its a symptom of a bigger problem, as in "What other things are fucked if they couldnt be bothered to fix this small thing?"
>>735804082Tekken 8 has been stuck on 3 million for months.Tekken 7 sold 12 million lifetime, with its current negative reputation 8 is never going to hit 12 million in its lifetime
>>735804186Ult was fine until of course, Perfuckingsona comes in and ruins it.Even happened with the Sonic racer too. Soon as Persona joins it goes to shit.I dont even blame Namco for Smash, everything that cocksucking series touches turns to shit, even fun stuff outside vidya.
>>735802124anon theres a very active tekken community with modded games with rollback netcode, they have tekken 1-5, tag and tag 2
yellow niggas really just have random english words as names
>>735792002They should shake hands and fuse these two flop series, fuck it, add Virtua Fighter as well. The new is going to ass
>>735804362>ignores steve in smash>ignores steve in sonic crossworldsjust say you like minecraft bro
>>735789310The man shoulders for all the female characters were the true red flag.
>>735790074>anime watching virgin living in his parents home is an expert on heterosexuality
>story sucks>roster sucks>gameplay suckswow how did it fail?
>>735804724They had manly shoulders for decades. I'm not even memeing. The modeler for this series sucks ass at making female bodies.
>>735804841>throwing a hissyfit over a straight guy saying earrings on men is gay which it objectively isNta but I can feel your insecurity from here.
>>735789193There is no real gameplay alternative since no other previous Tekken has a modern version with a viable scene, and for him his entire livelihood is built around the fucking game. Which is stupid in it's own right really.
>>735788881I mean he's right When is this game gonna be enjoyable to play? After tekken 9 is out?
>>735804901>wow how did it fail?But it didn't fail. Unfortunately.Any other fighting game would've died multiple times over if they had done what T8 did.
Is this a good time to get into Tekken?t. Street Fighter 4 player
>>735805208It's not 2009 anymore anon.
>>735803480Lmao. Weren't here for the last T7 seasons?
>>735796248VF just doesn't have sauce. Tekken will always be fun casually because it has cool presentation and an iconic distinct cast of characters. VF can be as influential and fun as it wants but its characters look boring. I'm actually looking forward to the new title because RGG seems to be giving these characters a much needed visual overhaul after so long. Akira looks sick.
>>735805282Answer the question, terrorist! please, i need something
>>735805208This is probably the worst time ever to get into tekken.Even 4, the most controversial tekken was still popular and to this day is beloved by anyone who wasn't a compfag. T8 is hated by everyone.
>>735804645I totally forgot Steve is in Crossworlds.The damage was already done before Steve showed up in Ultimate anyways. Kinda hilarious just how much momentum 3H's (The Persona-est FE game) killed.
>>735805474As shit as Tekken 4 was competitively it at least looked really cool, had a great soundtrack, and some surprisingly decent stories. If we could only go back to T4 aesthetics and T5 gameplay
>>735805474Is this a good alternative or do I already need to know 3D movement to enjoy myself?https://alcratz.itch.io/rush-protoI once installed T7 and couldn't wrap my head around it. Also never tried SC, but I remember enjoying Bloody Roar Extreme a lot
>>735804362This argument doesn't make any sense considering that many of the most degenerate characters in Ultimate aren't DLC>Luigi>Snake>G&W>ROB>Sonic>Mega Man>Diddy KongIt wasn't that the DLC ruined the game, it's that players didn't understand the game. It took people too long to realize how strong camping with flowchart characters is.
>>735803680>>735803718>>735805293>betting against odd-numbered Tekkenssweet summer children
>>735805706No, that guy is going to cave to the retards that he allowed into his discord. It'll end up like T7.
>>735804342>Tekken 8 has been stuck on 3 million for months.It could be stuck on 3 million for another year and it wouldn't matter, they reached an acceptable threshold for initial sales in a way comparable to Tekken 7 and shrunk the development cost for future content enough to remain profitable through post launch support with minimal effort.>>735804342>with its current negative reputation 8 is never going to hit 12 million in its lifetimeAnd I'm sure this will lead to some clever marketing for future patches and entries to win over the esports side, and the audiences that follow whatever they say, without ever fully returning to the type of Tekken everyone is whining about being gone now. But they aren't ever going fully back, because the pro players will always come crawling back and they have a casual base that won't leave.Tekken 8 will probably end up somewhere between 6-8 million in sales before it's done, even on if it ended up on the lower end of that or even lower, it would still end up selling better than most of the series and would be more profitable from all the dlc and microtransactions.
>>735804431stop fucking advertising your shitty emulation trooncord, ericwe played last year and it was fucking horrible
>betting on Tekken games that aren't designed for arcade play firstDas ur own dam falt
>>735789940Kitties!
>>735806258Tag 1 arguably wasn't an arcade-centric game
>>735806345Still released first in arcades
>>735806580and was ignored everywhere until 1 year later
>>735788881Why don't tekken players just play the old ones? That's what I do with guilty gear and street fighter.
>>735803157y-yeah... haha...
>>735806807none of them have rollback do they?I know harada said tekken 7 was 3 but I don't think that really counted
>>735806807Genuinely I'm not sure you can. There is no modern online release for this old shits, I can't play Tekken 3 on fightcade or buy the Tekken anniversary collection or anything. Best bet is online with the PS3 emulator I think.
>>735804362The cancerous characters could all be gone and the core mechanics would still be pretty lame.
>>735806807Namco sees their old games as potential competition so they have never ported 1-TTT2 to any modern platform with rollback and I'm never going back to T7's online.A full minute of loading between matches on SSD is not acceptable in the <current year>
>>735806807Shit or non-existent netcode. I'm friends with a guy purely to play some old offline tekken with once a week.
>>735789940>all strings removed from games
>>735788881t8 was designed to be a casual button mashing party gamenot a competitive gamemodern audience fetishism strikes again
>>735792586basically>I would rather play NASB2, RoA2, or a mod like P+ or Remix than play any modern Smash gamegood taste>RIP Soulcaliburit was too good for this bitch of a world
>>735806807I wish I can poke the eyes out of anyone who has ever uttered this retarded idea?
He tried to warn us.
>>735807097>not a competitive gameSF6 is the worst SF and it's built for competitive autism
>>735795882i just want to play the game i like that has been killed for no fucking reason
>>735807305>rapid 50/50s>modern controls and autocombosUhhh???
>>735806807fighting game players going back to play older games isn't something they normally do for active franchises. Street Fighter and Guilty Gear are ironically exceptions to this, as the older GG games have good backend qol and SF is a series where every entry, even SFV, has people that want to play them.it also doesn't help that most of the Tekken games, ignoring 4, play the exact same way with minor variation, where GGXX -> GGST and SFIII -> SFIV have drastic differences that make them worth revisiting, worth ignoring newer entries, or are at least different enough to consider putting time into.
>>735807305>the worst SFThat's 1 and V. the ranking is officially: IV > 2 > 3 > 6 > 5 >> 1
>>735807418Where the fucks 0?
>>735807519you're right. the alpha games are tied with 3. I'd also put the EX games in that same tier. They're all good though, but 5 is definitely the worst one.
which other game has a massive movelist for each character that you can mash out as a casual?which other game is 3d with no block button?which other game has electrics?which other game has sidestepping done so simply?which other game has backdash cancelling or any kind of cancellable movement that's as smooth?which other game had taunt jet upper?which other game has throw breaking as both reaction and knowledge check while being completely fair?which other game has animals as base roster?which other game has this amount of cosmetic customization?until you fuckers can answer ALL of these questions, stop suggesting us play vf or some other bullshit, try having your favorite franchise run into the fucking ground
>>735788881Now could be DOA7's time to shine but Team Ninja will fuck it up somehow.
>>735807761judging by 6LR, they don't have what it takes
>>735807672Truke, there's really no other game like Tekken.
>>735807672>which other game has sidestepping done so simply?Tekken has the worst feeling movement of all notable 3D fighters, so any other one will do.
>>735807807binary stepping hands are behind this post
>>735788881I don't care, just give me Lei Wulong as a playable character, then you can finish Tekken 8 definitly.
just press 3 buttons instead of up bro, i swear it works! (as long as it's been specifically programmed that way no matter how the actual hitboxes look on the screen)
>>735789779It's because Heihachi IS Tekken.
>>735788881>KneeNo comment from Head, Shoulder or Toe?
>a game series whose entire gameplay history has revolved around fishing for launchers into goofy-looking punch-juggles, into 75~100% death touch scrub comboes>...irrespective of character, character match-up, or game iteration>"this can't get any worse"* hold nurse nip's beer *
>>735807672>I need a game that's exactly like Tekken>I'm incapable of playing anything elseImagine if people who played 2D fighters were this bitchmade.
>>735807935pick any question i just posted, see how other fighters deviate from that? notice how they all differ in the same way? literally nothing similar to tekken on the market
SFVI has been shit for longer than SFV. Go on, keep judging SFV for its first two seasons while you're still eating drive rush spam and throw loops going into your fourth season of SFVI.
>>735806807>Why don't tekken players just play the old ones?Maybe because the first 4 games AND the Tekken tag games aren't available for purchase on modern consoles you fucking retard.I can't just go to the PS Store and pay $20 for Tekken 3.
>both jin and kazuya lose their powers during t8 storytekken 9 will be the real back to basics with no lasers and just martial artstrust the plan
>>735808643Kazuya will get a stance.
>>735808907it's called the mist step, been there since T2, you casual
>>735799153Tekken players don't want to play VF. I like 3d fighters more but I'm playing SF6 any day of the week over VF
I might be wrong but I see fgc as one of the best goys in the industry. They just consoom every newer products instead of playing older and superior ones.
>>735799153>>735809161>New VF and DoA turn out to be good games>Still flop anyways because the current crop of 3D fighting game players are Tekkenfags that refuse to touch anything else>Tekken 9 is a bigger pile of dogshit and sells millionsWould be tragically hilarious if that happened.
>>735809349What is there for Tekken players to play? Unofficial emulated versions that have janky netcode and are PC only? PS5-exclusive downgraded PSP versions with no online? T7 with its long ass loading times and fucking Akuma?People like you love making sweeping statements to sound superior to other people without any actual insight to the matters at hand. You're not special, lil bro.
>>735809553>What is there for Tekken players to play?Other fighting games.
>>735791000Nah, it looks bad. Worse than fucking doa5 from PS3 era.
>>735809594Tekken is incomparable to other games, and the original post was also about playing older entries.
I played Tekken 2 and 3 religiously as a teen.Tekken 4 was shit, and every Tekken since has been even shitter, because of Juggling which Tekken 1 2 and 3 never had.The physics of the games is completely stupid now, in Tekken 2 and 3 and if you knocked someone into the air, if you hit them again they would be pushed away past where you can hit them again, and they would be able to collect themselves and the fight was more balanced. There was literally no juggling at all you maybe uppercut someone into the air and then hit them 2 more times after that at best because they would literally fly too far away to continue.Add to this the fact since then the games have had the ability for you to get stuck on walls and beaten up against the edge, again, Tekken 2 and 3 never had this. The level just kinda wrapped around and continued. Unrealistic sure but you could just design levels to take place in sorta endless arena zones similar to those games.Literally unfuck the physics of these games back to a full blown remake of exactly how Tekken 3 plays, but with more characters and moves and you'd have the best Tekken ever.Also the music has sucked since Tekken 2 and 3 which are the best for that.
Tekken 8 is going up to Season 5They're gonna milk this game dry
>>735795835I'm alright with them purely for saving Patapon from Sony jail
I'm surprised that it took so long for tekkenfags to make tekken at home, while all of the MVC2/3 players kept making tagslop over the years
>>735809654>Tekken is incomparable to other gamesYou can still play other fighting games.
>>735789193Abandoning something you feel that you love is hard. It's one of the reasons people don't break up with shitty partners: they love it, their hearts are broken but they really want it to get better.
>>735809670I liked 4 and 5's osts
"I think it's reached a point where it's beyond improvement"I feel that about fighting games in general. SF6, T8, GG Strive.... they all have a healthy amount of players (maybe even the most steady number of players) but they're also all shit, because they've felt the need to add so much bullshit to attract the idiots to their games. I hate supers that are small cinematics, I hate overuse of hitstop (and parrystop, and all the other -stops), I hate homogenised fighting styles (no proper zoners allowed, that would make the idiots frustrated and we can't have that).I used to love fighting games but they are pretty much dead to me now. I'm keeping my eyes on the next DoA but I'm not expecting much. Like an idiot I'm hoping for a new Soulcalibur, but even if one were to come out, I doubt it would be good.
>>735802512Asuka's new outfit is greatT8 Asuka's face is not, Tekken 7 is ugly all over but there's no excuse for Tekken 8 other than the Tekken team hating Asuka and being gay
oh well
>>735802124No. Disregarding Netcode. Those communities still played they're older games. Meanwhile the Tekken fanbase has literally NEVER EVER stuck to playing their older games. 3rd Strike is still played more competitively OFFLINE than Online today. Same for many KOF games. When Tekken 5 drops no one is playing Tekken 4. When Tekken 6 drops no one is playing Tekken 5, etc. People like to say that T5 is the greatest Tekken in the series and yet nobody plays it. Something doesn't add up. How is it the "greatest" if no one play it lmao. And they were saying this before Modern generations. Before Rollback. So don't make netcode an excuse.
>>735810889When T4 dropped, a lot of people stuck with Tag 1, shut the fuck up
>>735810407Maybe you have shit taste. Or maybe you're too invested into complaining about Old Games. Whatever it is what we do know is that you don't play any older fighting games. There's no way you have time to cry about new games all the time and play old games, old man. You gotta work, eat ,sleep, and do that again tomorrow lol.
>>735810974>Things that never happened but trust me bro :)I bet you don't even know some non Tekken players have won big majors playing Tekken as a side game lmao
>>735811035sybau
>>735794457>>735795034>>735795882Tekken has far more of a cool factor than any alternative 3d game, other 3d games are just a lot more generic in characters and fighting styles, also other 3d games is tend to be grab central and I fucking hate grabs.Fighting games in general also have a big problem with getting new players to stick around and new players have a much smaller chance of getting stomped and a higher chance of playing against other newer players in the popular games while the small population fighting games have a very high concentration of players with a lot of experience.All fighting games also suffer from being ran by japanese devs who are painfully behind on technological trends and standards and basic things like menu navigation or controller device compatibility is generally shit, Tekken 8 is the best in that regard.Tekken also has simpler motion inputs and complex motion inputs are heavy filters for people who prefer playing on keyboard or hitbox so they simply don't play those games, fighting games breaking into the PC market need to pay close attention to that.If there is ever a day where there is an actual Tekken competitor on the market then I'll try that, but no fighting game is "owed" anyone's money or attention, compete and do better than your competitors and people will actually look in your direction, it should be easy now because Tekken is rapidly burning goodwill, but the competition is either lazy, retarded or bad, usually all 3.>>735794583This, alternative 3d fighting games to Tekken just aren't as good.
FURIA ROYALEEEEEEEsorry just want to type that for no reason at all ;)
>>735810889Tekken never had a huge player base back then like Street Fighter and KoF so it makes sense
>>735811176retard, the only times sf beat tekken in terms of player base are sf2 revisions and sf6, kof is not even in the same conversation
>>735810512Do you have the image with all the girls where you can see Asuka as no neck?
>>735811176>and KoF
>>735811141>All fighting games also suffer from being ran by japanese devs who are painfully behind on technological trends and standards and basic things like menu navigation or controller device compatibility is generally shit, Tekken 8 is the best in that regardso let's just conveniently ignore sf6!
>>735811324I don't play SF6 and this is a primarily 3d fighting gameThat post is also about 3d fighting games, why are you bringing up sf6 out of the blue?
>>735811141>all this tekken glazingStill doesn't change the fact that T8 sucks buckets of cock and you should be playing literally anything else instead of continuing to support that garbage.
>>735811420sf6 has the best qol features on the market for fighting games, they do keyboard play even better than tekken
>>735811035He's right, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Everyone hated Tekken 4 and just kept playing Tag 1
>>735811431when people glaze tekken they never glaze tekken 8 lil bro
>>735811141Tekken ain't that good bro.
>>735811506>30yo core formula loved by many>not goodlulz
>>735811141Tekken isn't going to fuck you anon.
>>735811539lidia might thou
>>735800042Truth nuke. That’s why I can’t blame anyone these players.
>>735811431>play something else that doesn't have the things you like in the fighting game franchise you likeNo? Why should I?So I can win some "based" replies for my hecking contrarian opinion about how I love playing some janky shit from the mid 2000s?Make a better 3d fighting game.
>>735810407Nailed it.>>735810982What are you supposed to do in old games if you're mid or worse at them? The only players die-hard enough to stick around are the monsters, and you won't get to press buttons.
Tekken players need to go through the "Acceptance" stage of Grief already
>>735811595>Make a better 3d fighting game.Every 3D fighter is better than T8.
>>735791000Source on the mod with pearl panties? Can't find it on nexus or on tekkenmods
The worst part about tekken are the pakis and the arabs that play it. Still better than sf6 and it's not even close, the difference is that tekken players don't suck the dick of shitty companies.
>>735811713then why isn't everyone playing vf5 right now? why aren't people talking more about doa 6 last round? oops where did bloody roar and soulcal go?you make me laugh
>>735811775there's no reason to dislike the paki pros more than korean ones, except if you're a racist
>>735811821i am extremely racist also pakis are always high cause they can't compete otherwise.
>>735811821That's then thing
>>735810407the cinematic supers is by far the worst thing to happen
Apologize.
>>735811713There is a reason why Tekken 8 is still by far the biggest 3d fighting game, there's no one competing with itWhen was the last time a 3d fighting game came out that wasn't made by Bamco? Dead of Alive 6? And how did that go?Only fighting game faggots act like fighting games are OWED players and purchases, maybe better fighting games and people will play them.Mishima characters alone sweep the entire VF and DoA rosters, electrics and hellsweeps just look cool, far cooler than this >>735796248
>>735811858as much as i enjoy sf4, i will never forgive it for unleashing the cinematic super cancer upon us.
The way tekken players talk about tekken 8 is the same way everyone else always thought tekken was in the first place, a retarded juggle and mash fest
>>735788881Good now they can bring back soul calibur.Then actually go back to basics after the new VF game so someone can remind their dumbass' what they are copying and to stop adding 45 comeback standardisation mechanics
>>735789067>>735788881>>735789042>>735802613What's so bad about heat anyway? Isn't it just the same KoF Drive Cancel/FADC/Roman Cancel/Drive Rush shit that all fighting games have? The thing that extends your combos and allows you to rush forward and keep attacking? Is there anything specific where Heat is bad? All modern fighting games have ridiculous damage in combos too.
>>735811901>There is a reason why Tekken 8 is still by far the biggest 3d fighting gameBecause it's called Tekken.It will outsell VF and DoA, not because it's any good, but because it has that brand label.
>>735810982You didn't have to post that, with your poor English skills included, and prove me right about the "idiot" part, but here we are.
>>735811901i laugh at how every time a vf player posts "hype" gameplay it's either one playing dick jabbing the other to force a 1-in-3 unreactable throw or ring outs that completely kill the flow of the match
What's the single player content in T8 like? In T7 it was so minimalist it kind of soured me on the whole franchise.
>>735811960it's a round-start resourcemany of its associated moves and properties heavily favor offensetekken already has a comeback mechanic with ragetekken has never been about meter management
>>735812025similar to t5 and previous games, not on the level of t6 or sf6
>>735811983Not just that, the core gameplay of Tekken is good and remains the same, the thing people hate the most about Tekken 8 is heat, which is added on top of the core gameplay that people like, that's why they still play it.Tekken 8 has a large list of problems but it's still better than all the alternatives for the reasons I listed.If a fighting game that had Tekken tier characters, fighting styles, inputs, gameplay feedback and graphics game out now, it would be a serious competitor to Tekken, but all the competitors are either dead or ran by out-of-touch hasbeens.
>>735812074>no Tekken Force/Scenario Campaign mode even though they bothered making it for one fucking mission>online coop with new T8 characters never ever>but hey, at least you have Ghost vs Ghost LMAO
what the fuck is wrong with tekkenfags
>>735788881Why do all fighting games need to cater to esports obsessed spergs? We used to be able to enjoy fighting games now they’re all entirely consumed by catering to nerds who spend sixteen hours a day poopsocking the game in some sweatshop with dozens of other autists. OH NO ABU ZAGU LOST TWO FRAMES ON HIS DP AND HIS FIREBALL STARTUP IS 1.336896 FRAMES SLOWER. MY LIFE IS RUINED SAVE ME NIPPON-SAMAAAAAAA
>>735812354if tekkenfags hate tekken 8 so much why don't they just move to their ideal version of tekken like smashfags do with melee?
>>735812049>it's a round start resourceSo both players would have it then. And if you're complaining about heavy offense, this is a skill issue because you can just dodge or block. In fact, Tekken actually has more ways to get up from being knocked down and more ways to evade than other fighting games. So yeah, skill issue.
>>735812489>Tekken actually has more ways to get up from being knocked down and more ways to evade than other fighting gamesHeh. That's funny because season 2 simplified oki so even retards can just hold back to get up safely every time
>>735812489>blocking in tekken 8lmao
>>735812449this has been answered multiple times in this thread already, scroll up
>>735799016>Because holds are fucking boring.It's posts like these that make me realize how fucking bad we have it that with Toy Fighter, one of the greatest FGs of all time, never escaping the fucking Naomi.
>>735812013you can react to the throw you just need to react before he throws you
>>735812449It'd be great if Bandai Namco released a Tekken collection with rollback
>>735812541Yet my point remains true and unrefuted. Tekken 8 still has more varied ways to get up and more defense options than other fighting games. So if "heavy offense" is your complaint then you're bad at the game because you keep getting hit. Just stop getting hit. Get good. Skill issue.
>>735812562I can't find any high level match, any grand finals, where there is no blocking. Sure, you can complain about how hard it is to react to mix-ups. But in reality, if you got hit it's your fault. Skill issue.
>>735812693>>735812639why are you talking about tekken 8 when you clearly have no idea what the fuck you're talking about
>>735812596it's a 1-in-3 guess lmao, if pros can't get it right all of the time then no one can
>>735812693>>735812639>>735812489you're so fucking bad at trolling
>>735788881>massive faggot cries about fighting gamelemme guess... the gook lost to a westerner recently so he's eternally butthurt over it?
>>735812756if you can get it right every time its a dead option that might as well not be in the game
>>735812869uhhh, tekken throws are still a viable tool in some characters' kits last i checked????
>>735793082Older games show how easy it is to "bloat" your game with content. Time attack and survival are basically just the arcade skeleton reused. A sound test with all sfx and bgm can be done by a janitor in hours in a random afternoon.It's like they refuse to remember all the things they did in the series and genre before because fgctards told them only training mode and ranked matter.
this supposed new golden age feels more like the polished turd age to me desu
>>735793471>Launch of Tekken 8>some dude from my friendlist I played Tekken 7 with dm'd me to get me to buy and play Tekken with the old crew>said nah and fighting games suck
>>735789739LMMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IMAGINE ACTUALLY BELIEVING THIS LOL
>>735812968>some charactersyes exactly, either way this is dumb because vf is not tekken and tekken is not vfif your opponent is at the edge you can make a reasonable guess that he will try to back throw you so you can be ready to counter that move, theres also the option of not getting throwngenerally speaking every single move in vf has a pretty clear counter
>>735789193Welcome to the mindset of MMO, specifically WoW players.
>>735810512It's like everyone in Tekken and the series a s whole peaked at 5 or 6 and then it just went downhill from there. Visually that is.
>>735812354This is a great webm to show just how bad particle effect spam kills bitrate and with that watchability in streams. You push for esports over all else but still make such a rookie mistake. How can this happen and not a single guy at bamcos entire company made a peep about this not working?
>>735811989You're a retard who spends his days being upset about modern games
>>735813251This is the age of saudis shoving their hands up the ass of a corpse and parading it around and telling everyone to pretend and clap.
>>735805282Anyone for this image without the gay caption? Wanna make it my steam pfp
>>735813457>>735812968ALSO if you want to react to throws just play Goh, his P+K+G lets you reverese your opponents throw the tricky thing is that you need to input it either 1 frame before or 1 frame after your opponent throws you
>>735789193tekken players ONLY play tekken, they literally have no where else to go
*cough* *cough* yeah.... uh..... fighting games... *clears throat* yeah, uh... these fighting games. Man... I will dedicate the remaining of life hating modern fighting games. Yeah... that's what I'll do. Until my hands can no longer type the words. I was never good at old games anyway. I was just a pretender. My old comrades hate the new games so I will hate them too... *cough* *cough* yeah... these fighting games man... Tekken 8... oh man what do I even say?
>>735813730its going to be so funny when they have to scale all that unnecessary shit back because of Iran war. there is no money in the fgc, this is worthless for the saudis as a new venture after oil
>>735813782Have you tried cropping it?
>>735788881I'm glad I saw the downfall coming when they ninja released the item shop and battle pass with the very first patch in a premium priced game. Let's not even talk about that fucking cheap "heat" system. Fuck Bamco and fuck Tekken
>>735788881why does tekken have barely any good hentai? i thought japs and koreans love the series
>>735791027>LESS DAMAGE IN COMBOSCombos already do usually less than a half of HP with half of it being recoverable. Honestly, that's the dumbest complaint about Tekken. Bigger problem is strong oki and ESPECIALLY easy wallsplats (sometimes from confirmable g clefs like Dragunov's 1,2,1). That's EXACTLY what pisses everyone off, apart from tracking strings and over-oppresive highs (with mid mix-ups). But honestly it's just too easy to destroy your opponent by a fast, cheap attack near the wall. Fix that and the game is twice as good. Long combos are ok since they're not that scary and they allow player expression and wall carry awareness to shine. I miss my combos from s2 that were rather unfair but fun to execute. Devs need to be cautious with that.>no create a character allowed in rankedYou mean crazy customizations? I think they're ok and feel good to use, half of my enjoyment comes from dressing my girls in different cosplays hoping my opponent will get the reference. Stop taking ranked so seriously nigga.>>735793235They nerfed S+ tier characters (except Law) but buffed S-tiers and A+ tiers (there are no other tiers in Tekken 8). They nerfed heat dash combos which is good. It's like the top-tiers are tossed up with some character (King, Law, Nina, Drag, Zafina, Hwoarang) either seeing unnecessary buffs or not getting enough nerfs. It's a nothingburger of a patch, really, (even new moves are reused from strings) except that there will be less Brians, Annas, and Asukas in tournaments now.
>>735807935But most people who play 2d fighters are exactly like this idiot. people have been ignoring snk and anime fighting games for years no matter how many retards try shilling their games the exact same way Tekken fags have ignored any dumbass who tried suggesting games that don't play like Tekken. You think anyone's dropping SF, mk, strive or any fucking modern 2d games to play cotw when those fools suggest it?
99% of you niggers in here are casuals. Why the fuck would I ever listen to your opinions about Tekken?
>>735814125mostly 3d western stuff
>>735814180go back to the general, arisafag
>>735814180Kill yourself holobegger.
>>735814180truvkethat being said knee is undoubtedly a pro
ltg was right
>>735788881>nooo the game is finished, it's totally unplayable now! i hate it!>i'm going to leave a bad review! ... but i'll keep playing!is it just to farm youtube clicks? these 'awful' patches happen so often and the player count never drops
>>735814232Not chunni enoughNot dominant enough 7/10 for the look though
>>735814125As a long time Tekken guy the Tekken girls go from somewhat generic to very generic with about 3 exceptions so naturally this leads to the actual asian artists that make porn to ignore the series the majority of the time and instead go for characters in other 3d games where there is more sex appeal in default outfits or 2d games like SF and GG even if there will still be more actual Japanese Tekken players than GG players.
>>735814272While that is true. And I do respect Knee. The truth is Knees time is up. A lot of you are expired. We at Namco Industries require new talent that will ensure our success. Knee is a bum.
>>735801697all you need to do is not play the game
Go back to /vg/
Remember when niggers hated the Pakis? Now they worship them like gods in Tekken!?!? Wait aren't going to war against the Pakis AGAIN!?!!?? Do you like Aslan enough to ignore the war? lol
>>735814806kill yourself
>>735814145 You’re not wrong about walls being the real crime. 90% of this game is just fishing for that one braindead wall splat into canned oki flowchart. Neutral barely exists once your back touches the invisible glue. Damage isn't the issue, it’s how effortlessly you GET the damage.But you’re coping a bit on combos. “Player expression” is doing a lot of heavy lifting when half the cast routes into the same optimized heat dash carry into splat into running 50/50. S2 combos were fun because you had to actually work for wall carry instead of just farting out a heat engager and riding the rollercoaster.Also based take on customs. If I can’t fight a wedding dress Lili with a traffic cone for a hat in ranked then what’s even the point. This is Tekken, not Evo Top 8 every match. If you’re getting knowledge checked by a cosplay Alisa that’s on you.Patch really is a nothingburger though. They shaved 5 damage here and added +1 there and called it “balance.” Meanwhile Drag still gets to play Tekken 9 while the rest of us are stuck in 8.
Why the fuck faggots pretend like tekken was some rocket science before 8?
>>735792752>The only anon ITT who actually plays 3D fighters other than Tekken>But also stupidHaving DOAXVV is fucking based.
tekken is excruciating to play, been getting worse each iteration and season after T5, i have no idea what makes people think things are going to change, every time they come up with something new it sucks, anime characters, longer combos, intrusive mechanics, turning every character into stance machines, even the t7 newcomers had lots of simple stances with transitions from common moves, but somehow just like when they reverted the kazuya hellsweep during t7, people are always one small change away from saying "You see guys, the game is fixed" and going back to that trash, truly subhuman behaviour
>>735791730Isn't that every character in 8?
I hope roger jr makes base roster of tekken 9 at least so I can hopefully play them in a good game. Take out claudio or fukyomom in exchange.
>>735789197/thread
>>735788881IT IS SO HAAAAAAAAAARDTO SASSSSY GOOODBEEEYYTO TEKKEN EEEEEEEEEEEEEEIGHT
>>735812354fighter devs really forget that the fun of fighting games is the back and forth between players. Hyper offense is only fun when your defensive options are just as good. Even shit like DBFZ, that looks like a shitshow when you watch a match, has>reflect>block switch>block teleport>exploitable gaps between strings
>>735788881Havent played since season 1, it was very good back then.>Highest Rank was Ruler>My first Tekken gameWhat did they change?
>>735813639Asians devs don't care about that. Only in the past 10 years did I stop seeing them trying to show off exclusive new gameplay footage on nicovideo at like 500kbps, and probably only because youtube is that overwhelming popular.
Fighting game players are the biggest posers and peacocks in the entire gaming industryPretty much all their opinions on fighting games are just prepared and packaged community sanctioned "opinions" instead of forming their own.They will swear up and down that X game (like Tekken 8) is terrible but play it anyway, why do they play something they swear is terrible? Because they don't really think so, it's performative, everyone else is saying it so they will too.The worst aspect of any fighting game is the community, they all act like overly dramatic women, they even adopt their behavior of parroting the prevailing opinion.
>>735807780Yeah. But I'm seeing 6LR as basically a round of funding for DOA7, so I will be a dumbass and buy it anyway.
>>735818795I stopped playing tekken 8 because it fucking sucks, and so did a rather large number of people too
>>735819741You do realize 6LR is going to have an f2p right?
this game would have 20k players right now if they just stuck to refined Tekken 7 gameplaynerfing low parries and counter hit launchers was already a great step
>>735818091Strive understood this aswell. Arc Sys is pretty good at giving strong defensive options in their gorilla games. But Tekken devs don't know how to balance Anime bullshit with what Tekken used to be.
>>735810512she was so hot in 5 and 6
>>735820813this is also why sf is usually the king of fighting games. they fucked up with 5 but after they introduced more defensive mechanics sf5 was great. now on 6 they are giving too much focus on drive rush but after a few updates I am sure they will add more defensive stuff
A man needs a sword, and a sword is a strong independent black woman.
>>735789940>pretends to be an "alpha">has uninstalled fighting games in huge ragequits then re-installed them the next day countless timeslmao hes such an incredible fucking faggot
Someone tl;dr the situation for me. I played the game at launch and everyone seemed to be hype. why is everyone hating it now?
>>735811801Where the fuck are leo bros when it comes to nsfw commissions. Where the fuck are my sound+animated blender nsfw
>>735822229People were hype because it was new and they had hope that it would continuously improve. It was the first Tekken game to skip an Arcade launch before going to consoles. So the initial cope was "give them time to tune in". But it's in Season 3 now and has only gotten worse instead of better.The core system and philosophy do not align with why people play Tekken. And instead of tweaking them, they just triple down on adding more oppressive shit into the game.
>>735822421tune it* not in
Now would be the ideal time for Sega to show off Virtua Fighter 6…
>>735796248>jumping in after the opponentBased and I always do the same in any game that lets me
Why were they so hellbent on adding anime game bullshit like a universal install that refills each round, chip damage out the ass, more 50/50s and the abominations that are low heat smashes with no added anime defense options to make dealing with this garbage more tolerable? Like the guys above said you need anime offense WITH anime defense so where did they get the idea to add this garbage with no extra defense options to offset it?
>>735811740check out finemod on patreon
Is it pronounced "ho-ah-rang" or "how wrong"?
The Tekken Force mode from Tekken 3 needs to returnTeam Battle mode needs to returnGon needs to return
>>735824298>Gon needs to returnYou are my nigga and a man of culture but there's no way they bring him back when he's a crossover cameo character
im sure most people drop it when season 2 came out
>>735823824I switch between "how-rang" and "hoa-wrong" interchangeably.
Was Low tier god rigth?
>>735823090Modern audience you nigger. Get with the times.
>>735823746Thanks anon, I'll think of you next time I fap
>>735788881LmaoKneeRofl
>>735824548think it was Clive that i last checked it
>>735825605so, i'm allowed to say that i've killed millions?
Reminder that this is all on Bandai Namco. They did the same with DBFZ, where they ignored community feedback and went the opposite direction.If you want to direct your anger, direct it at them.
>>735824548When they added chip damage to throwbreaks for whatever fucking reason, that was when I stopped playing.
>>735824548>>735825651You guys played Tekken 8?
>>735825767not anymore
>>7358258067 was so based besides the load times and some of the later patcheslate T7 was like a preview to T8 with the wall crumple and removal of tech traps if it loaded as fast as 8 i'd install it again
I bet the Pakistani who keeps winning this "random" game likes it.
>>735822229new game hype wore off and all the fucked up things about the game people were willing to overlook because 'it's just a rough first version and they'll take our feedback' but it turns out they've doubled and then tripled down on the fucked up parts while allowing the martians from mars attacks to handle all their prhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vUrAMxmO_A
>>735826126he's having a blast https://x.com/azaleeeeea/status/2036424411914629592
I really hope tekkenfags drop their stockholm syndrome for the series when VF6 and DOA7 come out.
>>735827370>>735827434And this is suppose to be Soul Calibur? Idk if I should trust Bamco nowadays.
>>735788881What I enjoy the most about these threads are the amount of old boomers seething at being replaced by us YNs. It will never not be funny. Im a God of Destruction in Tekken 8 and its my first Tekken :)
>>735825549Yeah but strive did that modern audience shit too and they atleast had the brains to add multiple new "get the fuck off me" mechanics unlike bamco so what the fuck is the problem with Tekken devs? Do they actually just not fucking test the shit they put out? Is it actually just two fucking jeets they have for quality assurance like the credits say?
>>735828506Strive straight up filtered every single old gg fag to the point only new players win all majors lmao
>>735788881who?
>>735802628It's actually making fun of both slave masters and bucks
>>735826332Fighting trannies likely using cheats isn't for everybody. That's a problem the genre has though.
>>735828135Is this Loli?
>>735828135i'm not mad at you, i'm mad at the game sucking ass while the old games don't have rereleases with good netcode and matchmaking
>>735790618I thought it was a random heihachi monk during the trailer.But then it turned out to be heihachi proper, which honestly was more lame
>>735829480You were never a serious Tekken player. You dont even have friends to play locals. You rely on ports with Online Modes. Thats just sad
>>735830310There are no locals here and no i'm not serious, i just like it. If locals were a thing i'd go to them though.
>>735830421Why is that whenever someone on /v/ is confronted with touching grass they live in a Desert with no water and no friends. You're an adult, do you not own a Car? You can go whelatever the fuck you want to go. What's stopping you from doing a once a month 2 to 4 hour drive to your nearest local? ONCE A MONTH. Not every week, not every day. Once a month.
>>735828135Lol. Lmao.Tell me the character so I can laugh on my way home.
>>735830584I live in a big city in Europe, all people play here is FIFAClosest thing to an FGC local you'll find is Smash Ultimate which i don't play
>>735830725You retard EU has one of the biggest Tekken scenes you fucking dumbass. Just kys already for being retarded
>>735830793Europe is big, not every country plays Tekken like that. I searched and even joined some Discord but it's dead. At best you'll get one Tekken tourney a year.Online just makes more sense if you don't live in a good location.
>>735831008You don't even enter EU Online Tournaments. You make excuses
>still playing T8That's just a humiliation ritual at this point.
>>735831819>humiliation ritualBro, we need to talk about Omito Johnny. The Xrd player. If you wanna see what a genuine humiliation ritual looks like we have to talk about Omito.
>>735788881
>>735827605It's not and you shouldn't.Especially since Don't ask me for shit guy is gone and Okubo AWOLed and went to Cygames.If it is Soul Calibur, then a worldwide natural disaster will occur to offset casualty for it existing.
>>735788905They knew but it's all they have. Normal Tekken fans refunded.
>>735832323would be hype
>>735832323>Unc Force TroonWhat is blud waffling about
should I play tekken 8yes or no
>SF4 is bad>SF4 the biggest game of that gen>SF5 is bad >SF5 the biggest game of that-UH OH TEKKEN 7 COMING THROUGH WE IN HERE BABY!!! >SF5 dominants the early gen, Tekken dominants the later parts of the gen >Tekken 8 and SF6 are deemed GOOD at S1>Both are in a shitty state >Both will dominant this entire gen no matter what people say no matter how hard niggers complain I'm just impressed that they manage to groom the zoomers to carry on the tradition of Street Fighter being 1st and Tekken being 2nd. Maybe 10 years from now the zooms will have control of the gen and then they'll pick which game they plan to shill for the next 30 years
