Is the patch coming today?
>>735790646Maybe :)
i'll make you "come"~
I can see why this event got nerfed in the beta
>>735791568You wouldn't know how
>>735791696>draws 5 feeding frenzies when the terror eel hits you for 36nothing personnel kid
my friends always pick to draw less cards on the knowledge demon instead of the damage option
>I've been trying a10 with Silent for 2 days.I got super lucky with Ironclad, and it feels impossible now. I haven't even beaten the 1st boss on any run. Guess I'll have to go watch guides.
Small regent tip. Forge stats are kept no matter how many times you recreate the blade.This means the blade can always be additional ammo for Guards, Begone, Charge etc
>>735792773Huh. I always assumed that exhausting the blade would reset it. What happens if you change the cost of it through something like Sneko Eye, exhaust it, and bring it back? I'd think it'd be back to 2 energy, right?
>>735792858Most likely
>>735792467I fucking despise the knowledge demon. More than the doormaker, even. If I get to doormaker, it's because I'm strong enough that I can likely beat him. Knowledge demon is just a sheer cliff that you have to hope your deck is good enough to scale.>crabBy the time you get to him, it's likely that you'll organically have enough damage and block to either kill the right claw before its second big attack or block it.>sandwormPerfectly balanced boss as long as you don't get multiple unlucky hands, and card draw and energy generation are, again, something you'll organically have solved at this point.Knowledge demon just feels like you have 3 turns to get some sort of degenerate synergy going or you lose the battle of attrition while he cripples your ability to turn the fight around. Incredibly un-fun.
>>735791696Dirty bulking
>>735792467So do I. That's when I started winning against him. Usually:>Less draw>Damage>One less energyif it lasts that long.
>>735793052Knowledge Demon is very easy.He regularly skips his turn when he debuffs you and during the turn where he heals himself he deals less than 10 damage.If you can't beat him then you also wouldn't be able to beat Crab or the Sandworm since those have a much higher damage output.The trick is to pick the damage options for the first two, usually he should be dead the turn you get the third debuff or shortly after.
Shall I host one?
Not changing my negative review or disabling my refund until they give us prepared back
Hostingsteam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244167160353/76561198043831607A9 BetaThat other guy was right, we might have to start playing slowly and actually stopping for a minute at each shop or rest to really think about what we want to do
>>735793905What's it like waking up every day and realizing you're Chinese?
>>735793968The main problem with multiplayer is that some people just throw out all their cards as quickly as possible, so when you draw into vulnerable or the skill that doubles your teams damage your team might've already used up their attacks already and wasted tons of damage.
>>735794320But you don't know if you'll be the one pulling any of those first, or if somebody else will. I just made it a habit myself that if I draw into a debuff I play it first thing possible hopefully before anybody else can do anything. In some cases there's no way to coordinate certain combos like Tag Team, no way to convey to another player that you're going to use Coordinate to give them strength or similar supportive card effects. What can I do better then? Simply play slower or wait for others to play first? I notice that in the lobbies here, I'm always the last one to click the next node or I linger a bit too long in the shop or rest window because I'm actually giving thought to what I want to upgrade or buy. I don't know if that bothers other people or not
>>735793052I like Knowledge Demon as a concept but his actual implementation just turns him into a DPS race statcheck that isn't as interesting as the other two bosses because there isn't much decision making when engaging with his gimmick; since Disintegration is pretty much the lesser evil in most cases. Doormaker is just an unga fight that has basically zero flavor, even with the beta patch. it feels like they genuinely don't know what to do with him and only slapped the anti-infinite gimmick in the beta because those are currently an issue rather than because they conceptualised and wanted to design him as that sort of boss.
>>735794452Yeah it's the game's fault for not having a chat.
>>735794548Someone did post a link to an alleged chat mod, but I remember they also said it wipes progress or something? I don't know if that's trustworthy so I didn't bother
you're supposed to have real friends and talk to them in a voice chat retards
>>735793968Still 2/4>>735794548Maybe they'll have one in a future update
Come on guys. You did all that work and now you're going to introduce an infinite EASIER than the old Regent infinite?
>>735795038I will join after work, maybe 1h.How patient are you?
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2868840?emclan=103582791474493240&emgid=507357499795439629Patch is up
>>735795148We should be done (as in, killed) before then>>735795160REAL SHIT???
>>735790646Are they actually pushing the Doorman change to live? The gimmick seems genuinely retarded and completely lacking in any reasonable counterplay
>>735792773That's not true. I've exhausted the blade before and it starts all over
>>735795138did that shit need to be buffedwasnt it already excellent
>>735795281They just changed him again
>>735795160>Prepared is not gutted in the alleyThank you sir
>>735795160China wonDeprecated Prepare and Prepared returns: "Common - Skill - Cost 1 - "Discard 2 cards. Next turn, gain 2(3) Energy." -> "Common - Skill - Cost 0 - Draw 1(2) card(s). Discard 1(2) card(s)."
>>735795160>Nerfed Skulking Colony: deals less damage, damage scales slower, and no longer applies Dazed status cardsAlso they changed doormaker, again.
>Nerfed Skulking Colony: deals less damage, damage scales slower, and no longer applies Dazed status cards>Changed Haunted Ship: now applies Dazed status cards to the player>Nerfed Waterfall Giant: HP decreased from 250(260) -> 240(250)>Reworked and nerfed the Doormaker. Fight is now less random.>reverted Prepared nerf>reverted Capture Spirit and Borrowed Time nerfs>Cinder is now usable>Tremble exhausts>Regent's dog shit cards buffedGreat patch. I'm happy that they addressed so many pain points at once.
>>735793968AND WE DIEDOkay so I really should have used that thorns pot on you because wow I did not think we'd wipe to Terror Eel. I thought I had a balanced enough mix of blocks and attacks too. Clearly not
do you see all of those symbols beneath my character?that means im good at slay the spire 2.
>ironclad: 2 cards buffed>silent: 2 cards buffed including prepared returning>regent: 8 cards buffed>necro: 2 cards buffed both nerf reverts>defect: 1 card nerfedSo it's official that defect was the best and regent the weakest right?
I think cinder being cost 2 is still a little hard to play around
>>735794092Feels good to see the world kneel before me.
>>735795574I think in hindsight if I tanked a few hits, I might been able to squeeze out just enough damage to finish it. Want to run it back on the new patch?
fuck my le epic chungus life
>>735795160>Reworked Arsenal card: "Power - Rare - Cost 1 Whenever you play a Colorless Card, gain 1(2) Strength." -> "Power - Rare - Cost 1 (Innate.) Whenever you create a card, gain 1 Strength."Weaker, but now it's at least consistent? It's no longer explicitly Colorless cards but creating any cards. This means it now synergizes with creating Status cards like Debris via Collision Course and Crash Landing, plus Largesse in multiplayer.>Gloom Ascension modifier no longer affects ? rooms in addition to Rest Sites>I will be looking to rework Gloom entirely in the future to a modifier that makes the game harder but in a more interesting way.THANK FUCK>Buffed Cinder card: now Exhausts a random card in your Hand instead of the top card of the Draw PileVery nice change, now it's a lot like True Grit>Changed Tremble card: now ExhaustsIt needed this>Buffed Serpent Form: Damage increased from 4(5) -> 4(6)Serpent Form sucked in most decks besides shiv abuse, now I hope it'll be more worth it because each card will now come with a free Strike of damage>Buffed Glitterstream card: Next Turn Block increased from 4(6) -> 5(7)Very good, now Glitterstream is a much better block solution for Regent>Buffed Parry card: Block gain increased from 8(11) -> 10(14)Look MegaCrit, just rework it to give block while holding Sovereign Blade. It'll make more sense that way too. Sure the boosted block actually helps Regent survive after spending 2 energy to Blade, but come on>Buffed Refine Blade card: Forge increased from 6(10) -> 9(13)Muuuuuch better>Changed Spoils of War card: now draws 2 cards, but Forge decreased from 12(17) -> 5(8)Seems now Refine Blade is the go-to big Forge generator card for cheap commons. Nice of Forge to get its own draw>Buffed Celestial Might card: Upgrade changed from +2 damage -> 1 additional hitBetter synergy now with Vigor. Sure it's still 2 cost, but it's common compared to Lunar Blast, Stardust, etc.
>>735795407不客气
>>735796113Arsenal might actually be stronger now since you don't even have to play the cards. So even if you get some 2 or 3 energy trash you wont play you will get the strength.And as you said it works now with stuff like Debris.
I understand enjoying this for like an afternoon but every class has like 1 maybe 2 builds. Every run is the exact.
Let's try out the Regent now, Arsenal sounds actually takeable this time around.
>>735795921You could have won with expect a fight and inflame.
>>735796113Also>Buffed Sword Sage card: no longer increases the cost of Sovereign Bladenow, this card is the forge payoff. basically double all of your forge cards value. good in solo, and probably insta pick in multiplayers.
>>735795921Just beat him lol
Wow I had difficulty beating the game on the first ascension, maybe winning one in every 20 games but then I realized all you do is play the strong cards and never play strikes and defend. I won 3 in a row using different characters on the third ascension. I think the problem was I was playing defends when I should never mitigate the damage and just play the good cards and if I lose it’s bc of my deck/draw or pathing
>>735795904In a bit, yes>>735796113>Buffed Sword SageYES YES YES THANK YOU THANK YOU>Buffed Guiding StarGlow but with nice damage and 2 star cost on top of 1 energy. Damn dude>Nerfed Voltaic cardThey knew. They had to do this. They just had to.>Buffed Tiny MailboxMuch better now even in multiplayer and high asc>Changed Permafrost relicThey also had to do this>Changed Bellows relicYeah it was too good>For relic rarity, the design goal is that commons are not necessarily weaker, but that they are often simple effects that could add value to most decks. As rarity increases we allow higher complexity and more impact on drafting/play decisions.Nice of them to explain this point>Nerfed Skulking ColonyTHANK FUCK>Additionally I found that the Dazed statuses actually worked against the design goals of his power, the new version is a tighter design overall that presents a more unified question for the player to answerHmmm>Nerfed The Lost and ForgottenWere they that bad at higher asc?>Nerfed Waterfall Giant10 less HP, whoop de fucking doo>Added Test Subject burn animationOh right he didn't have one, now I'm interested>Added Portrait art for the following cards:>Compact>Shatter>Fuel>Consuming Shadow>Subroutine>Trash to TreasureTaking screencaps of these right now before I update>Receiving in-game feedback from YOU the player is the best way we have of improving the game. Many of you have requested the ability to write more without hitting the character cap too early. We've increased the character count 16 fold, so I am eagerly looking forward to reading your effort posts!You heard him lads. Give him all your effort posts.>>735796372Yeah much better now>>735796408Arsenal was always takeable as I see it>>735796416Powerful rare as it deserves to be, and upgrade still lowers it to 1 cost
>>735796397except defect, who has at least 4 that are all viable
>>735795361Thank fuck, I was not looking forward to that
>>735795792im like 90% sure ironclad is the weakest still
>>735796498I already grew tired of it from 1. 2 feels like it should be a 5 dollar expansion.
>>735796484>Nerfed Voltaic card>They knew. They had to do this. They just had to.>NerfedBarelyEnergy cost increased from 2 -> 3. I already have infinite energy on Defect.
Okay these are the old ones
>>735795361>>735795160I do love how autistic they are about data
>>735795361I think the Sword Sage change might actually be too much. It's gone from situational to an insta-take if you're running any forge.
>>735795361>no more floor 6 elitesfinally /v/ can beat the game
>>735794539Knowledge Demon would be more interesting if he had a bigger variety of penalties to choose from. Maybe they could add something like a penalty that heals him, gives him +strength, makes you weak/frail etc. And randomize it instead of always giving you the same options in the same order.Btw I'm pretty sure that Knowledge Demon was heavily inspired by the Genie boss in Dream Quest, who had a similar choose-a-penalty mechanic.
did they make the game easier on A0 yet?
>>735795160Already chink replies in the posts>"The backpack is a fundamental mechanic"—> "So let's just nerf the Gadget.">I actually laughed out loud.>It's actually pretty good—at least judging by player feedback, it seems to be back on the right track.>Now the Crown Prince has become a clown.>To balance this, we can strengthen the Calamity value and generally increase the Calamity attribute for ourselves. For the sake of balance, it would be more appropriate to change the pre-borrowing to 6 Calamity and 1 (2) cost, and add some mechanisms that take effect when we have Calamity.Now this one is interesting, is the chink implying self-doom could be an archetype somehow?
>>735796113>just rework it to give block while holding Sovereign Blade.Crazy take, he needs the block on parry since he has few reliable ways of reducing the cost of the blade and forge deck's primary block card is 2 cost
>>735796776Yes, technically. They made it so elites can't spawn on floor 6
>>735796484>>Nerfed The Lost and Forgotten>Were they that bad at higher asc?the last beta patch changed it so that on a9 they steal 3 str/dex instead of 2. so turn 2 they swung for 8x2 and 18 while you have -3 str/dex. It was kind of fucked up for a hallway. Now you're only -2 which means they also are only hitting for 7x2 and 17.
>>735796575Go outside, get some exercise, sunlight. Talk to a girl, give her a hug. Pet a dog.
>>735796632And these are the new ones>CompactGoing from the presser to a cooler art>ShatterIs Defect using that on the Phantasmal Gardener elite? What mob is that? Definitely better than original>Consuming ShadowLove me some edge. I'll miss the fork and knife art>SubroutineNice touch that those are the Defect energy icons also seen in art like Double Energy>Trash to TreasureRIP Defect's newspaper hat, but the regenerating scrap is a cool image>FuelRIP to the oil can>>735796408>>735795904YESRIGHT NOWsteam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244171518603/76561198043831607>>735795148GET INGET IN
rate the new doormaker gimmick
I'm watching JapaneseExport trying the new Regent. Refine Blade is actually really good now. fat forge number, and also help you swing the sword in next turn. very interesting.
>>735797334FREE exhaust?????
>>735796825>he needs the block on parryI didn't say he shouldn't, just that the way to get it should not be to use Blade>>735797027I see. That's good then>>7357971392/4DOES NOBODY ELSE WANT TO PLAY THE NEW BETA PATCH LIVE RIGHT NOW???
>>735797446>just that the way to get it should not be to use BladeSo he'll use 2 energy to attack and get nothing to block with
>>7357971393/4One more?>>735797525Ah I see, okay then you're right. Fuck
>>735790646how is the mp?
mfw prepared (real) is back
>>735797805It's a lot of fun
>>735798142Gweilos lost.
>they nerfed DoorWe can't have nice thingsJust let me fight my Time Eater manRegent buffs are nice though. Guiding Star and Spoils of War are both actually pickable now and Arsenal is a real wincondition instead of being a barely playable meme
fags
>>735798142The Prepared nerf was always just a bandaid to see what they could get away with changing without hurting Silent too bad. Same with a NecroI expect soo enough we'll see Prepared rarity shifted to uncommon and something shifted down, that way you can keep Prepared as a power card but still hit the consistency of discard decks in a meaningful way
>Play guards>Gain 6 strength block for 40>play Charge >gain 2 strength exhaust 2 cards in my deck >play Crash Landing>gain 5 million strengthBundle of Joy is still ass
>>735798896>I expect soo enough we'll see Prepared rarity shifted to uncommonBased on what Casey wrote, I don't think they'll touch Prepared again anytime soon but do something about the sly cards instead.>For Prepared, while I still think that the Sly synergies are overall too dominant of a strategy, Prepared is so integral to the Silent's core identity that I will be looking for a different approach to bring Sly in line in the future.
>>735799228>>play Crash Landing >>gain 5 million strengthBut Arsenal doesn't give strength with status cards
none of necros nerfs should have been walked back
A really kind anon bought the game for me!! I just played the game for the first time today; I made it all the way to the act 3 boss: the yas slay queen!! I think I'd have beat her if not for the damn dot that deals damage that goes through armor.Looks like the new build for ironclad is all about stacking vulnerable based on the unlocks I got.Now I'm gonna try out the silent!
uh huhand you troons tried to convince tranime posters arent trans
>struggling to close out Regent runs>first run of the new patch is a win>with a trash / forge deckJust kidding, it was basically a history course win
>>735799347Anon... arsenal gains strength when you create a card now Cards that create debris count as creating cards
For me, it's the Regent. The best slay the spire 2 character. I even ask for free card casts and void form is so friendly and more than willing to oblige.One time I upgraded void form and it gave me three. I said, "Wow, three for free!" and the nice friendly architect laughed and said "I'm going to call you 3-for-free!".Now the architect greets me with "hey it's 3-for-free!" and ALWAYS sends me back to the bottom of the spire. It's such a fun and cool atmosphere at my local Spire, I go ascend it at least 3 times a week for a large ascension run with stars instead of forge, 1-2 times for daily runs on the weekend, and maybe once for multiplayer when I'm in a rush but want a great game that's easy, fast, and can match my daily social interaction needs.I even dip my Decisions, Decisions in the Void Form, it's delicious! What a great character.
>>735797552>>735797525X block a turn while holding the blade (or some other buff like Thorns)Double the amount when you play the bladeDoesn't have to be a huge number but it would be something helpful at least
LOBBY>LOBBYLOBBYsteam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244175470335/76561198002917239BETAHIGHEST ASCENSION WE HAVE UNLOCKEDGET THE -FUCK- IN HERE
Holy shit FUCK new Doormaker, that exhaust on all cards then the guaranteed strength loss makes him such a wall to get over. The "you cannot draw during your turn" is also annoying but thankfully not as bad?Boy if my colorless memeing hadn't given me Knockdown in time at the end there for Silent to Golden Axe, we'd be screwed out of damage.
They cooked really hard with the enemy design on this one didn't they
>>735795407This is just gonna encourage whiny scrubs and chinks to shit their pants over every card change until mega crit backtracks.Look forward to similar drama/review bombing every single big patch.
>>735800445Seems like I can't join, but it's not giving me any kind of message. Nothing happens.
>>735800781sorry we started!
>The changes this time around are far more sensible than the last—they feel much more like the product of careful deliberation. The previous update, even within the test branch, was bafflingly absurd—it felt like a rough draft scribbled down on a whim just five minutes after rolling out of bed.>I’ve played nine runs as the Crown Prince and am currently at Ascension 6. I feel that the "Forged Sword" build is still significantly weaker than the "Starlight" build; since unupgraded Swords cost 2 Energy, they tend to clog up your hand quite severely. Therefore, I hope the Crown Prince can be given one or two additional cards that allow for the in-run upgrading of other cards. Additionally, would it be possible to give Swords a trait that allows them to be upgraded multiple times? You could simply convert any subsequent upgrades into "Forging" value. Finally, "Stellar Sequence" and "Radiance" are absolutely core cards for the Crown Prince; I hope they won't be nerfed.>The high pick rate of *Defy* stems from its unique advantage as a defensive card within the game's system—specifically, its ability to apply *Weak* as a distinct, independent defensive layer—rather than from being inherently overpowered. Being highly effective does not equate to being "over-tuned." If a nerf is deemed necessary, please consider alternative approaches—such as reducing the amount of Block it provides—instead of directly reducing the single stack of *Weak* granted upon upgrade. This specific change lacks aesthetic appeal and design elegance; it feels jarringly inconsistent with the thematic identity of *Fear*. I reiterate: this method of balancing is utterly devoid of both aesthetic grace and thoughtful design.>That's correct—the backpack is the underlying logic.>Since the Greatsword can be upgraded, why not add a "Forge 5" option—a rare Skill card that allows you to upgrade the Greatsword during the current battle? That way, the Sword Master's ability cards would be fine, too.Chink posts
>>735800848>I feel that the balance of the monster pool in multiplayer mode still requires some adjustment. In four-player games, certain monsters appear overly powerful—for instance, the Armored Garden Eel (whose armor accumulation upon taking damage is simply too high), the Inkling and Ink Phantom (in multiplayer, it is practically impossible to stack 60 or 70 layers of Attack, making their "Slippery" stacks seem disproportionately potent), and the Experiment (where the sheer volume of skills used by multiple players allows it to amass a terrifying amount of Strength). Conversely, some monsters are far too weak in multiplayer settings—such as the Old Statue—particularly in four-player matches, where the slow rate at which its damage increases means it can barely survive long enough to land a single attack.What? An actual reasonable chink pointing out something sensible?>It came as no surprise that this card returned; it is purely a "sacred cow"—despite being demonstrably overpowered, players simply refuse to allow it to be nerfed. While this certainly delivers a short-term rush of gratification, in the long run, it diminishes the overall enjoyment of the game by rendering the Hunter's card-drawing strategies overly formulaic—a criticism that applies equally to another card, "Borrowed Time." In reality, player opinions are often misguided; it requires the development team's astute judgment to discern which feedback truly holds value. Blindly catering to players may indeed foster the illusion that they are meaningfully influencing the game, but more often than not, it fails to yield any genuine benefit for the game itself.And another one?
>>735800824okay i'll just kill myself then
>>735800970Just go to sleep man, there's always another time
>>735795792>regentForge sucked shit
>>735795792What even were the Necro nerfs? I genuinely couldn't tell a difference
>>735800848>The previous update, even within the test branch, was bafflingly absurda beta branch of an early acess game will have experimental changes and they are surprised>retarded chink really thinks defy being a 1 mana leg sweep when upgraded is "elegant design"i swear they are literally bug people
>>735801184>past tensestill does
>>735797334Still sounds like asscancer but at least you can control how hard you get fucked>>735799228Crash Landing is still probably terrible for boss fights
The Sealed Throne is very OP
>>735800445Crashed.
>>735801303borrowed time: gain 1 (2) energy gain 3 doom -> gain 1 energy gain 6 (3) doomcapture spirit: 3 (4) damage put 3 (4) souls in your deck -> 2 (3) damage put 2 (3) souls in your deckso just a little bit of a nerf to her soul and energy generation, which has now been reverted.
Man, I fucking suck at this game. According to Steam I'm 26 hours in and haven't won a run.
>>735796113stfu retard. kill yourself
REHOST SINCE OUR BOY CRASHEDsteam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244177130986/76561198002917239also skellybro the shop was accessible from the campire
>>735794092
>mega crit neuters the game and makes everything piss easy again>the chinese negative reviews are still there anyway because most of them were just calls to action from chinese ecelebs/most people who left the reviews are probably not playing the game that oftenkek, nice going
>>735800574New doormaker is really easy i beat him taking 5 damage and barely noticing what he does, it's funny because in the same run i lost like 40 hp to the dog boss right after. it feels extremely weak.
>>735801709>this was enough to hurt the feelings of a billion peopleChrist.
>>735797334>12x2lolthat's less damage than act 1 bosses, kek
>>735801871>the chinese learn that baby rage gets them what they want and will review bomb every patch
>"Power - Rare - Cost 1 (Innate.) Whenever you create a card, gain 1 Strength."Does that count status? Sounds fun with Crash Landing.
>>735802067i don't think they will even have to because devs will learn the hard way that the negative reviews are there to stay, they're not organic and the players who left them aren't paying close attention to the game or planning to change their review even if they get what they "want"
>>735802013those were just the nerfs that got reverted. If you mean the full nerf list they also hit defy and grave warden pretty hard, changing their upgrade to +3 block instead of +1 weak turn or making soul+. Dirge exhausts now as well. Banshee's cry and seance's cost went up as well.
Okay, new doormaker is a thousand times better than the old one
Westoids really out here going "grrr I can eat the most thumbtacks look at my e-peen"
>>735800071Might head down to my local spire to pick up a void form in celebration of this post
>>735802114Yes
>every thread I've been in, there are always multiple people crying about doormaker?How? I'm currently chugging my way through in spare time at A6 with most characters, never lost to him once. If you haven't scaled in to a nuke by Act 3 boss wtf are you doing? Retarded shit like >>735791696 ??
>>735802256Neat. Very cool change, makes status and colorless synergies way more playable.Does it count potions?
>>735802340you were playing on live, we were playing on beta branch where he was completely different and would hit you for 50 on turn three after eating some of your cards
I'm a noob and first time Regent, I skip this 100% right? I want to thin the rest of the starters and find better block.
>>735802243ching chong
>>735802445I take Genesis there, and then hunt for Star spending cards.
this guy is a FUCKING cunt
>>735802539This event needs to be changed, his "rewards" aren't worth the cost and you don't even get to skip
>>735802445I take genesis or bombardment, both fun cards
>>735802445Genesis is basically never bad, Bombardment can be good
>>735797805Fun, if a little too easyAll it takes is one dude going infinite and you just win
>>735802595>>735802631Genesis feels way too slow to me for most applications. Good block is sort of hard to come by on Regent, and a single hidden cache is worth 2 and a half turns of relying on Genesis.It's fine, and if you have spare energy/draw there's no reason not to take it really, but it's not an insta-grab for me.
>>735802497>>735802595>>735802631I got Very Hot Cocoa from the Ancient, feeling a shit ton better now.
>>735802708Sweet, now if you can only find an ice cream...
GG BOYS
>>735802796Gg y'all
>they nerfed skulking colonythank fucking god mani think they could have kept the damage but the dazed change was basically what i was praying forall good changes otherwise, regent looks a bit stronger now, will have to test (after work day though :()
>>735802698It just guarantees consistency basically. Maybe not that helpful in hallway fights but it'll keep you from running dry on bosses and it's just extra payoff for Stardust/Radiate
FUCK IT ONE MORE LOBBY>LOBBYLOBBY>LOBBYsteam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244177130986/76561198002917239BETAHIGHEST ASCENSION YOU GOT
>>735802567yeah it's just a bad event imo; you pay him 50 gold to fuck off or eat the dazed
>>735802539>>735802567>>735803121>nooooo all question marks need to be good!risk exists. gonna bitch about based wongo next?
>>735802567>>735803121+2 strength for 5 fights is actually pretty good if you compare it to the cost of a single strength potion
>>735803108no longer exists
>Worm still kills you if it dies to poisonnice fucking game you niggers
>>735803108refresh your steam profile then post link again, anon.
>silentshitter can't readclassic
>>735803201>>735803224FUCKEXITED STEAMRELAUNCHED THE GAMECHARGED MY JO CRYSTALsteam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244179079931/76561198002917239
>>7358032423 OF FOURNEED ONE MORE
tfw to intelligent too play non-regent characters
>>735802567The whole point of events like this is to not make event rooms a risk free pick, retard.
>>735802415It only counts you creating cards. I assume if somehow Silent had Arsenal, then she'd gain 1 strength per shiv she creates... oh. Oh boy.
Everytime I play ironclad I get a little dumber, just got to A6 btw.
the game felt already easy so I don't really understand why they buff a lot of cards on topsome changes in beta branch are understandable but a lot of them I feel like might make the game slightly too easy again
>>735803163dawg i was just annoyed i was getting potentially jewed out of gold needed for a card remove since i was exhausting down for pacts end, i would never slander wongos
>>735794092Mega crit bent the knee and you will too
>>735803742you dont like drawslop?
>>735803823Alright then... You're pretty cool. Don't come to act ii tomorrow.
my hamas bomber build is working well.
>>735803863I just had a few pommel strikes, I was mostly carried by that colorless whirlwind and a bunch of extra stamina.
>>735803903holy fucking based
>>735803903Based.
>>735803903Mashallah he will ascend
New doorman is pretty cool. I like this gimmick.
GG BOYSkeep climbing those ascensions boy-ah, this shit gets wild the higher you go
GG guys. I more or less just fucked around, but I had a good time.
gg friends!
gg
You guys gonna host another game?
So how do multiplayer ascensions work? Do my single player unlocks work for MP? Is it still character-specific?
>>735805319beat an ascension in mp = next level unlocked for all characters
i have literally no idea what i'm even supposed to be trying to do on defect.
This is a pretty strong combo.
>>735805449feral and claw (all for oneand adaptrive strike are nice)smokestack and iteration + statuses (trash to treasure and flak cannon are nice)tempest and thunder (voltaic and defragment are nice)
I miss Blizzard, bros...
Anyone hostan?
>>735805604I'm hostansteam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244182545792/76561199498658249
>>735805449You know that attack that plays another attack in your draw pile? Remove every attack card except 3 costs and other copies of that card.
>>735805658>betawait I need to update
>>735805449you just take strong cards and the synergies will fall into your lap usuallyhes ironclad with orbs nowand nuironclad is defect without orbs
>>735805658>>735805705Fugg I was too slow. full.I might as well host one toosteam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244182670254/76561198030802028
>>735805680I've never been able to make that stupid card work, it will look at a draw pile of Meteor Strike, Refract, another Uproar, Null and a Strike and then play the Strike 4/5 timesBut I keep taking it because one day I will get to put Clone on it and then walk into the act 3 boss, play one card and then it will just play copies of itself out of the draw pile until the boss dies
>>735802708New Doorman is a free win. Got my first Regent run done.
>Dolly's mirror relic in the shop to copy a card in my deck>Act 2, and got brightest flameSAVE MEEEEEEEEE
If I lose Sovereign Blade during combat, Forge does nothing right?
>>735792858>I always assumed that exhausting the blade would reset it.It does. But you can pull it out of the exhaust pile using summon forth.
>>735806040i think it makes a new one
>>735795138it basically costs 2 energy so I don't think it'll be that bad
>>735795361>those regent buffs I can’t stop cumming. I said from the beginning what he needs is more cheap card draw and now he has it. And sword sage is a snap pick now. Fucking awesome.
>>735799449This is how the silent run went:I managed to reach the architect on my first run ever using her!! Basically I just stacked armor like crazy and I let Mr. Struggles do all the dmg Feels nice beating the act 3 boss in my second run playing this game
paels eye exhaust to mulligan bad draws while simultaneously buffing ashen strike as well as activating pocketwatch for next turn, tri boomerang instinct on fiend fire for double damage, cruelty for 50% bonus vuln damage. i nearly cummed
We won
prepared is back we are so back boys
>>735806571the dazes were pretty fucked uphe still punishes hyper offensive decks and takes too long to kill but at least you can actually play your cards in the second half instead of having half your deck be dazes
>>735806571he's neat nowlike a reverse gremlin nob, you need to actually think about having consistent long term block to take elites because of this guy instead of just as much frontload damage as you can get in act 1
>>735793905Well faggot? You are going to post the changed review and your repurchased game to this thread, right?
I finally did it today boys. I fell for the meme instead of playing smart like I normally do. Infinited myself into killing myself with borrowed time.
>>735803170i don't plan on buying strength potions generally speaking, and even if i did it would be better than this because i'd rather spend the one potion on a difficult elite fight than be forced to spread it over 5 fights where it's useless but comes with a higher cost
>>735807202I’ve done the classic blasphemy vault combo.
GG, new room since new beta patchsteam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244185177575/76561199498658249
>>735807381I don't see how you'd end up doing that. You only click the Blasphemy button when you calculate lethal right there.
>WAOH MEGA CRIT IS SO BASED THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO BOW DOWN TO THE CRYING CHINKS>3 days later>uwu pwease stop review bombing us we nerfed everythingTotal Chinese Victory
>>735807486It's not gay if our cursors are touching... right?
>>735807513funny thing is the chinks didn't even revert their negative reviews
>>7358074863/4, starting in 5 minutes
>>735801871>the chinese negative reviews are still there anywaygood. let other devs know that if you try any bullshit like with Prepared at any point your game will be permanently descored
>>735807538Good. Megacrit must learn to never upset the glorious Chinese people if they don't want to get another beating
>>735807534ANON NO THAT'S EVEN GAYER THAN BALLS TOUCHING, OH JESUS WHAT HAVE YOU DONE IT'S NOT EVEN APRIL 1ST YET
>>735807727i think sane devs will learn that it's pointless to try to appease chinks eventually
>literally Pot of Greed BUT ALSO free targeted discardmega crit devs are genuine retards for shipping prepared without realizing it was op beforehand
>>735807916>>literally Pot of GreedThis isn't yugioh. In this game you have draw 3 gain 2 energy for 0, pot of greed doesn't look that impressive by comparison
its joever...go remake the lobby host
>>735807973Hosting backsteam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244186100007/76561199498658249
Arsenal is great now. It also makes for an amazing synergy with any of Regent's multi-hits like stardust, seven stars, radiate, or that 3x / 4x hit one.Glad they're making his other styles usable.
just hopped on, this beta patch looks pretty good but i laughed at megaclit kneeling to the chinks
What are the chances we end up getting a new character like we did with the watcher??? Or are the current 5 characters all we'll get for this game...? I mean it's 1 character more than in the original so it ain't that bad...
>>735808437we're getting watcher + one new character. Source, I made it up.
>>735808437i fucking hate watcher
Rip in piss, you will not be missed.Upvote this post if you never picked or played this piece of shit and now you never will.
>>735808496But anon, don't you want to spend 1 energy and 3 cards today for 2 energy tomorrow?
>1 year of this before we even see act 4
>>735808485Why
So voltaic is useless now in hallway fights and before late act 2/act 3.You're not going to pay 3 energy to channel 3 lightning just so the next time you pay 3 energy it channels 6. It's now exclusively a late boss card.
When is Buxom being ported over
>>735806040Opposite.Forge recreates blade and its forge stats are kept.This encourages synergy with his exhaust archetype
Can you unlock stuff playing on multiplayer???
>wake up>read patch notes>it's all kinoI kneel, i will now play in beta
>>735808496I want to know where the apologists of this shit are, now that the devs rolled back the change after a weekI thought it was supposed to be good and we were bad (or chinks) for pointing it out?
Did they remove skipping cards increasing your chance for better cards? I had a Shiv deck and was offered Cloak and Dagger constantly, even with skips. No Envenom. Only 1 Finisher. Easily made it to the boss, but it was far too weak for a scaling boss battle.
>>735809253Lmao
>>735796113>Look MegaCrit, just rework it to give block while holding Sovereign Blade.this would be retarded, it'd just be free block every turn for every deck and non-sword decks would benefit most from it
>>735797072Petting a dog sounds very interesting.
>>735808002GG Silents
gg ladsgot delicate frond + entropic brew + potion brew which was very nice
>>735809653I was the other silent, I had those as well. Just used everything I had every combat.
So clad is still fucked?
Guys help I can't stop playing Necrobinder aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
first time playing because of threadsfinally beat A0 for the first time with Defect, but honestly I don’t think his cards even matteredit was basically just 12 Mauls thanks to the ancients + doll relicplus that relic that keeps drawing when your hand is emptyand like… only 2 actual Defect cards that gives energykinda feels wrong winning off relics + mostly common cards
>>735809920Can't help you, I only play lightning man
>>735808496It really wasn't that bad in the right deckpeople kept taking it trying to use it like Prepared but it's obviously not that. Prepare is just a better Outmaneuver that activates Sly cards, Sly is still a broken mechanic and all this really did was mean she had to stop after getting 8 energy of value out of three card plays instead of looping her whole deck, and then get 12 worth next turn.
>review bombing worksWho woulda thunked?
>they got everything they wanted and didn't even change their reviewsI hate China
Gweilo piggus bow down to the middle kingdom
I swear defect's head in this art was yellow yesterday… did they change it to blue
>>735810112You will have absurd win every now and then, don't fuss about it
I don't know what the dev's intentions are with infinites. They removed Dropkick, only to introduce Forgotten Ritual and Stoke. Overall I'm not too impressed that some cards are broken while the rest are very boring.
Are all the characters in this game women?
>>735811905all but ironchad, owner of the harem
>>735811191It was (in the previous game)
Is there ever a reason to pick Accuracy over Strangle?
>tfw switched from stable to the latest beta patchthe underdocks are easy now
>>735795361>Cinder is takeable >Tiny Mailbox actually pretty good>>Sword Sage>RIP Liquid Memories cheese>Skulking Colony unexpectedly bappedMan, is he really going to shift this much around every week for a year?
>>735807727>permanently descoredNow let's check the review score without the Chinese
>made infinites easier again by unnerfing necrobinderChinks won…
>>735806078This card feels way too important to Forge builds, but I'm glad it's uncommon.
>>735809203Posters are acting pretty schizophrenic. It was literally the first EA patch, everyone knew we'd get over nerfs and over buffs. It's how they work. Not everything is some conspiracy.
>getting mayhem on Regent>photon cut or cosmic indifference O MY SEVEN STARS
>>735812768Akko.
okay so the best way to play regent is to avoid forge like the plaguegreat game design
>>735809203the point was that review bombing with unconstructive criticisms have zero value add to a beta branch of an early access game which will have hundreds more changes like this. removing prepared + sly nerfs in the same sweep was a bit too much but really though silent was still very strong after those changes. sly + card draw mechanics need more tweaks but i agree that prepared was too vital to silent's core identity to remove.
>>735790646Hopefully they overbuff the regent so I can get a few ascension levels out of him before they inevitably reverse it.
who's up for a multiplayer run?steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244197610416/76561198149672785
Cinder is still dogshit btwI see a lot of redditors claiming the card is "pickable" now, it's not, it's complete garbage and you should never take it if you care about winning
>>735813530The last beta update changed that
>>7358139392/4
>>735801420had it exactly once in 40 runs
>>735812652>PM picshan't read
A9 is raping me
>>735813939steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244199117740/76561198149672785
>>735814574steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244199445504/76561198149672785
I’ve been trying to force a vulnerable run with the new full art break since it was buffed and it’s simply not happening
>>735807056Not yet but perhaps in the future
turns out everyone on the beta was a whiny faggot and now it's all buffs. stay on the live branch if you want to play the true hardcore vision and not carebear baby land.
I picked the energy option from vaaku and I got the fucking curse on my starting hand on BOTH act 3 bosses.I lost.Never clicking on this piece of dogshit again.
I just picked random whatever and somehow it worked. I got lucky that I didn't have to fight any boss that limits the amount of cards I can play each turn.
>>735809203"apologists"? It was a good change and silent is a one dimensional overpowered retard slop character. if you enjoy playing her current state you are actually stupid and it's depressing that the game is now being designed for you, who cry and scream and throw tantrums at the thought of her COMMONS prep and acrobatics getting changed.
Damn, new Doormaker's gimmick scared me for a second. Glad I saved a duplicator for Heavenly Drill.
>>735814703crashedsteam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244202280045/76561198149672785
>>735808496This change was so good. It made sense in sly decks instead of being an instant include. I hope we get this change back in a future patch.
>>735816275>>735815681lmao seething bootlicker cumskin
>>735814561Same but 2B.
>>735816354>nooooo, I need OP cards so I can win A0
>>735816354lost third world gachanigger does not understand what's going on or how to act
>>735795792idk regent was incredibly easy even at release. people are just incapable of learning it idk.
>>735795792it's been insanely frustrating watching regent's kit get overbuffed and slopped because you're all too retarded to play it. it's not even hard. what the fuck is wrong with you.
Regent went from needing to rely on draw next turn effects to having better Pummel and Backflip
>>735816954>>735817051yeah bro, just go with one gimmick build and ignore that 80% of mechanics and cards are a skip
>>735815681We won bigly now go cry in a corner or whatever
>>735817181most cards are a skip for every class
Skulking Colony almost feels too fair now.
>>735817181i play forge 80% of the time it's literally just good. idk what you're even doing with it to think it's bad.
>>735817258guess no balance changes were needed then
>>735817429if retards are struggling its ok to help them
>>735815948GG
>>735817575gg
>>735817527maybe if 80% of options are detrimental to succses we might have some issues with balance
>add a ridiculously overpowered miniboss enemy with a huge bunch of mechanics, making the fight with him completely random and difficult>players point out that this is bullshit>delete all his power now he's easier then weakest starting enemyWhy gamedevs are to retarded?
>Mega Crit says Regent is weak and needed buffs>Every top player has the same opinion>Some 3rd world retard on 4chan disagreeshmmm I wonder who is right in this situation
>>735817635You are playing on a beta branch of an early acces game 1 year at least away from full release
>>735810486>8 energy of value out of three card playsWhy's that bad Ironclad can do similar bullshit off of Cascade and that's not limited by cards stamped with the mechanicThe most busted Sly card is Master Planner and that could be reworked instead of Silent's hand fixing tools
>>735817752>Every top player has the same opinionNaveGreed, the player who 10 streaked rotating beta, in fact did not think this because he's not a retard like your favorite streamer is
Had a regent run on the beta. Went pretty well, Forge seemes much better now, although I did abuse sword sage and conqueror. But that's besides the point.
>>735817635They should add Doormaker's old ability to him.
>>735817806>prepared>hand fixing toolare you stupid or do you think we're stupid?
>>735817838Sword Sage was a good change, it feels like a real (but usable) payoff for not just clicking stars cards
>>735817863Nah, it's just you that's stupid
>>735796710Defrag is an insta take if you're running orbs Guess we should change defrag. Guess we should change every card that actually does something no matter what its rarity
>>735817819>literal who playing on meme unfinished buildthat explains where you're getting all your retarded opinions from LMAO
>>735817904it's a terrible change it's a Tracking-tier slop card now when it used to be extremely narrow but really funny when it was correct
>>735796710it's a rare. Accelerant is also an instant take a build-strengthener that does little if you don'[t have synergy.
lol anyone meet the new skulking colony? nice """"elite"""". these devs are completely fucking clueless. grok would do a better job balancing
>>735817954so who are the "top players" you were referring to? VideoGameDunkey?
>>735817953defrag literally got nerfed in spire2 to rare so yes that's exactly what happened
>>735818025but anon, everything is perfectly balanced by the most elite dev team in the world according to /v/
>>735796710A rare specifically for the build you're aiming for should actually be worth taking more than 1% of the time
Old sword sage was so bad that I actually forgot what the effect was for it.
>>735817774>B-but thats just a beta test!There are thing that does not require testing. It was clear that Skulking Colony was broken just by looking at the concept. Now I'm looking at the patch notes and can say without even playing the game that they killed this enemy, and now no one with an IQ above 50 will ever die from this Elite stub. Instead of finishing their game, these retards will spend years tweaking the stats of the same enemy.
>>735818178is it time to leave a negative review and refund?
>>735818152>>735818159you could just lower the cost of it, obviously it had no business being 2 energy when it was bad but it would do stuff at 0 for sure
Damn, we're two patches into an EA and people are frothing at every test they make, up or down. Pretty wack.
>>735818229you will never be chinese
>>735818110>compare sword sage to defrag>both rares >sword sage now good so it needs to be reverted >defrag can stay the way it isI'm saying defrag is too good, going by your own words. 2 focus, no questions asked? It need to do something BAD to defect, otherwise it's an auto include, amirite?
>>735818276>make retarded changes>get called a retardHOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME
>>735818110It's because now every other card create orbs compared to sts 1
>>735818178>Instead of finishing their game, these retards will spend years tweaking the stats of the same enemy.That's literally what they did in the first game
>play regent >get only star generator card rewards>die from lack of damage>next run>only get spenders>die from lack of star generation
>>7358182630+1 per sword is literally stronger than 2+0 per sword in most situations
>sword sageHey use this rare card that costs too much to makes your shit ability now cost even more and do some damagealso the boss is attacking for half your hp
>>735813320Akko handling my shiny rod.
>>735818263I feel like that would be busted, you are essentially slapping on a x2 multiplier for free. The only hurdle you'd have to overcome is if you wanted to get conquest. I think they did buffed it in a good way.
>>735818418Early shop could fix that. I do it pretty often with Regent.forget the remove, just walk in with 150 gold, click some cards, and you're good to go for the rest of Act 1.
>entire run hinged on Vigor pumping the shit out of Stardust to make it go nuclear
I’ve only ever gotten forge to work with bulwark spam and the power that passively generates forge. Then you just go for a one shot with like comet and sword.
Can I just focus lightning orbs or do I absolutely need the other ones too?I have no idea what I am doing on defect and it seems like he has a billion powers to manage.
But where are the Snakebite balance changes?
>>735818479bro read the new beta patch. sausage is usable now.
Anti-snakebite posters will continue to die to the statue on floor 1 and complain 25 damage every turn is too much btw
>>735818906cycling lots of frost orbs is defect's best way to block
I haven't seen Biased Cognition in so long, bros. I miss it...
>>735819316It’s a full art
>>735818936bro you're behind the times, snakebite is actually overpowered. We all lost.
>>735818906There are many ways how you can build Defect, status, 0 cost, orbs, powers.Focusing solely on lightning orbs is only good if you get the skill that lets you recast them for everyone you played earlier.
Nothing says abandon run like shit neow options into forced 12 damage on floor 1.
>>735820162>Neows fury>+5 hp on rest>+11 max hpYea, thank you very much, I didn't want interesting options anyway...
>>735819861You always want orbs even if it’s a cheeky glacier or the lightning orb defend its free damage/block you are missing out on going too hard in other archetype
>>735790646>Do 1 to 8> Manageable and pretty fun>Do 9>First enemies are destroying meWhat the fuck is this bullshit
>>735820350I was talking specifically about an only lightning focused build.
>>735820524That's not how this game works, bro. You don't decide 'Yeah, I'm only gonna use lightning today'
>>735820637I mean that is pretty much how other characters build, so why not defect?>yeah I am going to pick up strike cards now>yeah I am going to pick up shiv cards now>yeah I am going to pick up forge cards now>yeah I am going to pick up osty cards now
>double eggif I had lost this run I would've ended it all
>>735820810All the energy relics, congrats
>>735820637That's what I said, reread my original post, I said it's shit to focus only on lightning unless you get the one card that really supports it.
>>735817316More like he feels easier than hallway fightsSame with the ghost ship enemy, that guy did not even need a nerf
>>735817752>my favorite ecelebs said something!fucking hell sts threads are so dogshit, where are these subhumans even coming from
I'm afraid I just do not understand how they qualify the value of forge as a mechanicSo spoils of war is unupgraded, 5 forge and 2 drawAs a draw card, that's not badBut the upgrade is... 3 more forge?It just doesn't make any sense, HOW did they come up with that number specifically
>>7358210743 more damage on a damage card is a pretty normal upgrade
>>735821146you're right, and all upgrades like that are worthless dogshit
>>735821074It's a card you can use much more frequently so +3 forge is actually huge
>>735821146calling forge damage is a bit of a stretch.more of a buffing card
>>7358211463 more damage on an upgraded card is normal for a strike3 forge is worth less than 3 damage (not arguable)therefore, it's a worse upgrade than an upgraded strike
>>735819126Snakebite isn't good against the statue
>>735821332If you forge for 5+3 once and cast the sword twice, you dealt 6 bonus damageif you strike for 5+3 once you dealt 3 bonus damage. of course you have to cast the sword itself but it's not cut and dry
>>735821332Yeah, it's worse. but you can't look at it that way because you're not going to play strike, you still going to play SoW for 2 draws.You either upgrade SoW so you forge 3 more, or you upgrade strike to basically do 0 damage most of the time.
>>735821146that is an upgraded strike tier upgrade
>>735821626>>735821884>>735821332The problem with upgrading forge is that usually you sit on your sword for a while until it gets big enough for you to play it.So although 3 forge is technically +3 damage, you rarely will hit with the sword more than twice.A +3 on a strike will likely get you more mileage in damage than the forge for the early parts of the run.Only when you get into later long fights and other forge support cards like double damage or double hit does it overtake since then that 3 will have some multipliers that make it stronger.
I wonder what Pael is doing with all the shitty cards I send him.
>>735823129om nom nom nom
I want to be at home, playing with MY KING. But I am at work "working." sts2 mobile version when?
HOW IS THIS THING NOT AN ELITE
Holy fuark
>>735823226A man on r****t got it to run on Android already
>>735823434wow your win condition wins more. Pogchamp
>>735810112Welcome to the party anon, please enjoy your stay
>>735823494This deck is full of broken stuff actually.Craziest run in a while.And the first card I bought at the shop was Jackpot and I've been spamming card creation the whole run
>>735808691Nta but Watcher is too fucking easyTantrum should've been rare
>>735810112>kinda feels wrong winning off relics + mostly common cardsEnjoy moments like these, because you're gonna find out real quick it doesn't often go that way during the learning curve.
>>735823613What a fun run, the deck was absurdly overpowered.
>>735823613People used to, and possibly still, look down on colorless Regent. I've had early Manifest Authority+ carry me farther than it should have. One CHARGE!! can help you turn your Ascender's Bane and a Strike/Defend into free damage provided you still haven't drawn them. Hell, on one of these recent multiplayer runs I even did shit like using Photon Cut to throw Ascender's Bane to topdeck then immediately use CHARGE!! to convert it to minion, then use Glow or something else to draw into it right after. But you could fuck up like I did and use Decisions Decisions into CHARGE!! with not many cards left in your draw pile and the game WILL force you to target 2 cards each time without being able to back out of it... though I also discovered if you have cards you don't want to convert to minion in your draw pile, you can always select your already-converted Minion Dive Bomb to convert it into Minion Dive Bomb. I don't know if converting a card back into itself still counts as card creation for purposes of Arsenal/Pillar of Creation, as I did not have either of them on that run. If true, then even if you don't convert new cards into Minion Dive Bomb then each 2 cards you select with Decisions Decisions -> CHARGE!! should be 2 strength even if it's you just selecting the same 2 cards each time?
>>735794539>it feels like they genuinely don't know what to do with himthis. the most interesting version of the fight is doormaker on live, because the micro and macro healthbar concept is somewhat unique at least. they just want to shoehorn him into being time eater lite because theyve declared war on infinites. the newest version of the fight is just a boring unga bunga condensed version of test subject. they need to tackle infinites at the deckbuilding level and leave bosses be, hard counters were basically the only major flaw of sts1
>>735820792thats retarded. the enabler for forge is star cards that let you block for 0 energy, not more forge cards. I see why regent keeps getting buffed.
>>735824051If you have a good star engine, Jackpot is REALLY strong on the regent.On average you're dealing a fuckton of damage or blocking. If you have extra energy or can cheat out the jackpot the card is genuinely fucking insane.The value with most characters is shitty but the regent can gamble win conditions out of thin air.>Astral pulse for strong AoE>Cloak of stars for block>Know thy place/gamma blast for easy weak and vuln>I literaly killed the act 2 boss with a 20 proc lunar blast that came out of the jackpot machine>Stardust is retarded>Alignment for free energy>Monologue comes upgraded with retain and is free scaling>Particle wall is lol>Royal gamble to scale your stars>All the rares are goodIncredible value.
>>735824195are you actually going to stall out with blocks just to build up 5 forge a turn instead of taking a cool card like smith or the 2x damage that turn?may as well just forget forge altogether and stick to just stars.
>>735824464Mistake, I wanted to attach this pic (decklist + all the 0 cost cards)
>>735824475>may as well just forget forge altogether and stick to just stars.You're onto something here...
>>735820424>practice many hours mastering dealing with a very specific amount of damage in a game about avoiding being chipped down>that amount changesit's to be expected
>>735824475yes, take smith, and take the star generators that let you smith and take the block cards that let you smith, this is not rocket science, the only thing that forge doesnt interact well with are str archetype cards because sword is too big to benefit from str buffs unless theyre clown retarded like arsenal
Hosting multi on beta, get in here, lets try the changes together!steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244222096652/76561198029311169
>>7358249642/4 come join
You guys were fucking right elites just suckFirst run I avoid every one of them and I get my first asc10 win
>>735825160Its funny because its not like relics are bad, I played a spire1 run recently and my first 2 elite relics were boot dream catcher and that just doesnt happen in spire2. But it feels like you just dont have an empty relic bar no matter what you do in spire2.
>>735802539it just needs more variety. Like a tea option that boosts dex or a temp bag of prep. Temporary boosts to be able to take on more elites is a good idea on paper it's just not worth fighting so many elites currently.
>>735824964Crashed
>>735825160I agree with an earlier idea: elites need to remove common cards from the drop pool. Not even asking for higher rare chance, just give me a reason to lose 30 HP act 1.
host remake or start a fresh lobby
>>735825581New lobbysteam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244223563343/76561198029311169
>>735825412They're disproportionateIf you were sure you could get an ice cream or gremlin horn for losing 80% of your health on an elite then it would be worth it, but doing that and getting a fucking potion at every rest is ridiculous
why does orrery feel so much worse in this game?
Patch?
>>735825160This will probably be even more true in the next patch with 1 more event per map above ascension 6. Without a penalty like unfavorable events in STS1 and generally how powerful STS2 events are there's very little reason to take on elites over spamming upgrades, events, and shop paths at max.
>>735825707it's better but still not good
Did you know? Fiddle only blocks drawing during your turn and not at the start, so pocket watch still draws +3 cards. Should work with anything else that says draw at the start of your next turn too.Also fuck Orobas I hate him almost as much as Tez. I should have just taken the shrimp on glacier but taking an anchor as my boss reward just makes me feel bad.
>>735826092Fiddle is an underrated gemI think a solid deck won't need it, but it's a patchwork dream otherwise.
lmao
>play Silent nearly 10 times now>never get any Sly synergy so I don't even know if it's remotely as broken as people hype it upTh-thank you... Slay The Spire 2...
I see glitterstream is getting buffed in the new patch. It's pretty great when you have some relic synergy with it already. It double dips from nimble enchantments. And has really nice synergy with pael's legion/vambrace/sturdy clamp. I only just recently got to ascension 10 with regent but it won me several games already as my main block engine so I think with the number bump on beta it will be really good sometimes. Basically a more front loaded dodge and roll
>>735826280its a little weird to me that its in regent's card pool at all, he has no dex buffs and clicking on it makes me feel weird the same way clicking on leap in spire1 did because it gives me no direction besides making void form better. I dont think its weak I just dont really know what to think about it.
>>735826280Pael's legion really is perfect match with it. Next turn block with every other turn doubling. Too bad you can't get Pael every game.
>>735795361Skulking colony change is a heartening sign. I thought they were crazy with their initial buffs given his heart lite gimmick and how nasty the synergy of scaling, dazing, and stalling you was.
Did the relic changes (albeit I noticed its small ones) affect anything?I shan't be fighting any more than 2 elites per run. Relics seem too underpowered in this game.I'm on a 4 winstreak by avoiding them.
>>735826156It's really a question of "How much draw do you have?" 2 coolheaded and a compile driver really isn't that much with how many cards the deck had so turning those cards off is fine for +2 every turn instead. The problem is that most decks want a lot of draw so it's usually going to be bad for you. But if you haven't seen much, or it's mostly draw next turn type of effects, it's a very good way to salvage your deck.
>>735826245Now get Cook from Act 3
>>735826245God I hope that don't nerf tiny campsite. Even with just Rest/Upgrade, it's so good.
>5 good options out of 19Great game, you guys.
>>735826482it's definitely not something I go for by default but if I have some relic synergy I consider it. Especially if I see them upgraded. You can potentially find some dex in the colorless cards if your deck ends up going that way.
>>735826692>golden pearl>badwhat
>Go back playing STS 1>Get absolutely bullshitted over multiple runsYeah people talking about the 2nd game being harder are dumb
>>735826692I thought 150 gold and 333 gold for greed were pretty good depending on your map. I have fun gambling on large capsule but it's probably bad.
>>735826692>Arcane Scroll>Lost Coffer>BoxesGood if you feel like gachafagging even more>Pomande>Shears>Scissors>HumidifierGood>Pearl>Neows FurySituational, but overall good.Everything else is bad
>>735821146Not for a card that costs 2(+) to actually useForge numbers are just really low and there's not a lot of synergy for it besides continually making the sword bigger
prolong+ is goat
>>735826692Both pearls are excellent. Upgrade a card and +max Hp are fine, and even the humidifier is fine if you use it to go aggro.
>>735826858bulwark+ is 16 block and forge 13, that's low??????
>>735826692Both of the money options are basically 2-3 extra cards or removal (or a good relic) at an early store. Not bad for kickstarting a run at all.
>>735826692conch, pearls (situationally), coffer, torment (situationally), and both scissors are all good.>small capsule>goodbrainlet, insane you can praise that and think arcane scroll is bad
>>735826971Bulwark one of the couple of forge cards I'd say is actually good and even then it's mostly for the blockThe rest needs more going on or more shit that's like "When you forge, also [something]"
Sorry, kid... It wasn't personnel...
>>735827178When the fuck will I get offered clone.
people really undervalue gold and shops in this game huhthe card removal option alone is better than the vast majority of ?-events and even relics
>>735827178how are you not dying from all of the turn 1 damage? Dodged as many fights as possible?
>>735826853>HumidifierUseless in act 1. If you're actually resting often enough for it to matter, you're definitely going to die in act 2.
>>735827178>start each turn with 6 blockno but i'm memeing i'm sure you cleared it, gg
>>735827319he has regal pillow
>>735827234When you don't have any good cards for it.
>>735827319I see Pillow + Pantograph there so damage really didn't matter at that point
>>735827319and pantograph
>>735827178Imagine if you had mummified hand.
>>735827178>>735827319While I had this absolute war crime of a card, I never top decked it or any of its brothers. I was basically leaning on the white beast statue for the entire run because my damage output was fucking abysmal. I'd nearly die every other fight.I actually only rested once in act 3, and it was just so I could go into a ? room before the next fire without risking dying.
>>735827483Opening hand would be 45 block if he did
>>735827376resting means you're not cloning, so he couldn't have rested that muchI'm assuming 32 copies of the card since 16 would mean he has 36 other cards in his deck which seems a bit much
>open patch>Ironclad notes: completely empty but ANOTHER Cinder buffDo the devs sincerely think that this dogshit character's problem lies solely with ... Cinder not being strong enough and not that 99% of the block is in the exhaust package and nowhere else?It's pretty fucking funny last patch they buffed a ton of early game attack cards for Clad and immediately also lowered the damage cap on the coral elite.Also>Cinder exhaust randomly from your hand instead of top deckThis one is like the most random change ever. Now you can't headbutt Howl to guarantee the exhaust. Cinder costs a whopping 2 energy too, so you can't easily empty your hand to aim your exhaust either. It's a card that sucks and it's okay that the card sucks, but why are they obsessed with this?
>>735827572It was only 16 copies. I was taking other cards purely to survive. Here's the seed if anyone wants to try it. The initial afterimage came from hefty tablet, and obviously clone is at the beginning of act 2, so it's playable.
>>735827694>4 fires in act 2 and 3Yeah that makes more sense then
First time I picked Relax and it felt good. Got the event that sold scuffed relics and bought a snecko. Then all the 3 cost cards provided all the """scaling""" I needed. Only power that I used was Capacitors after that.
Is the game worth getting right now in its current state? I've been playing the first one a lot lately.
>>735828043Even if just for the novelty of the multiplayer yeahBalance is gonna swing wildly for a while while they adjust shit it seems and there's some alternate maps for act 2/3 still not implemented
>>735828043Yes, but if you're enjoying 1 you may as well climb the A20 mountain first.
>>735828043Depends entirely on how much you've played the first, if you're mostly done with it yes otherwise it's a worse game for now
>>735828043It is good, but slay 1 is far more polished and significantly less swingy.The main shit that feels like a middle finger half the time in slay 2 is boss reward selection. The variation is massive. Don't think this is gonna change ever. Oh, and you can't skip boss reward now for some reason (fuck you Vakuu)
>>735828347Is it even possible for Vaaku to offer three rewards with a downside? His bottom option always seems to be the safe one, like music box.
>>735828347Vaaku needs more options. Let him pick my pathing too
>>735828419I got 3 pretty bad ones before, like earring, parasol and the 2 curses for 3 wishes (my deck was pretty good already, and it was a slow grindy deck so the curses outweigh the wishes)
How the FUCK do I play Ironclad? His block cards are shit and in Co-op his strategy as I understand it (kill while sacrificing health) seems counterintuitive with other characters because they can just block stall and Iron can't.
>>735828553The only good card package for Ironclad is exhaust. Good stuff are Feel no Pain, True Grit (upgraded), Second Wind, then you either draft a random Ashen Strike or Thrashing to kill things.Unless you have feel no pain you'll have to block with your face most of the time, but at least you will kill the bosses on A10 with a big Thrashing/AshenAlso the other issue with the class aside from terrible block cards is that it has the shittiest of powers (Necrobinder laughs at Ironclad) and they removed all the weak debuffs other than Uppercut, which is his shittiest weak debuff from slay 1.
>>735828419Option 1 is can be rose, fiddle, or earingOption 2 is cape, fog, or talonOption 3 is choices paradox, jewled mask, parasol, or music boxSo the bottom option only has a 1/4 chance of having a downside (parasol is a downside) but the middle option should be safe enough most of the time since cape's -9 isn't that much compared to how much hp apparition can save and fog is still net -2 cards. Talon adding 2 curses can be pretty bad if have a very small deck, and notably if the 2 curses are worse than the wishes then parasol is also going to be bad for your deck.
>>735828553You exhaust your deck down to the actually useful shitHellraiser + Pommel Strike, Cascade + a bunch of energy and card draw, Whirlwind, etcThe thing that gives you Strength per vuln stack on the enemy is pretty good, you can get retarded numbers on it some gamesIf you get lucky you can get Barricade + Body Slam going early since he has several good block powers to compliment it, and there's some busted block relics like Vambrace and Pael's Legion that help it a lot
Man early access is a fucking pain
Chinese gamers = god! The only way to make dev listen is bad review!
>>735828553Spam draw + energy gainNothing else really works, his cards are all extremely narrow in application and basically everything requires you to have a bunch of powers down for you to not just die
>>735828043It's ass. Hallway fights are harder than bosses. Relics are worthless.
>>735829646>>735829474>>735828783Great, but what if you aren't offered Exhaust pretty much at all? Do I just get fucked, cause I feel like I got fucked.Seed: WXNYP0YKP3
I miss the boss relics
>>735829819Exhaust isn't that great. Vulnerable and attack spam is much better
>>735828978Rose is pretty much only bad on Necro otherwise I take that shit every time
gg bros
>>735829819You get fucked because that's the current state of Ironclad. They gutted the class from slay 1 where it was an all rounder.>Defect stole Power Through so you can't have good generic block anymore>Shockwave is now made colorless so you can't apply weak anymore. Intimidate also gone.>No more Reaper so you can't heal (Yippie!)>exhaust powers nerfed (dark power is a rare, corruption is a boss reward)>no Expose Weakness, no Limit Break which were far more consistent str gain than anything in slay 2Ironclad in 2 is just a sad sob. Sure, you can squeeze out a win, even on A10, but it's a sad, miserable pile of non synergistic cards.>>735830014Rose is pretty bad on Defect with Echo Form (if it's in your hand when you draw EF you will likely exhaust EF, if you draw it after playing EF then you lose the double cast on top of -2 energy)
>>735828553Generally you want to pick up 1 good exhaust card to thin your deck and make your good cards better because you will draw them more often.Best are True Grit (upgraded since it removes the random) and Thrash (this is one almost always solo wins me my runs).You can build around most of the rares and be successful, there are a variety of strategies that work.Your starter relic is broken and it enables you to play much more aggressive than other characters, you can even sometimes just setup and eat all the damage.Don't be afraid to pick "bad" cards early to beat the Act 1 boss, also there's no shame in dodging elites if you've had a bad start.
Just the fact people couldn't agree on which characters are weak, which are strong just show how shitty RNG of this game is. You either roll high and have a good time or you get unrelated cards, couldn't form a combo and keep losing
unga bunga me silent me block damageabsolutely worst deck ive ever made thanks for having me
>can't block on the crab's claw missile turn>use skill potion>still can't block, but I can survive with like 10 HP>completely resigned to just taking the damage>notice know thy place+ in my hand>oh, well, it's free, i might as well cast it on the other claw because the missile one is already weak and he's going to hit me next turn>it turns me around
>>735830014Necro can line up cleanse/seance to delete the curse.
The Sovereign Shiv build.
>>735830296Lmao dumbass. Don't you see Regent pointing finger on the card? Do you think he point the finger without facing his target?
>>735830594My finger points
>>735829819You're always offered at least like a true grit or something to fix your cycle little by littleBut the important part is the character doesn't do shit on 3 energyHis cards have no numbers on them, everything has prerequisites and powers you need to play first, so you need infinite energy and draw to not get assblasted before you meet those requirements
>>735830251it was a team effort silent bro, the potions people were sharing with each other did not go unnoticed
Did any1 beat the game with Ironchad?Ive won with defect and necro but man its tough with ironchad.Any tipa?
>>735829474>Cascade>usefulBy the time my deck has gotten efficient enough for Vaaku plays; the card, I've already won the run without it.
>>735830973You mean like ascension 0???
>>735830973Most my wins before A10 were just Thrashing, headbutt, repeat.Other good stuff is Pact's End, you need some minimal exhaust to enable it (ascension's bane = 1 exhaust). After that, Pact's End and headbutt will clear everything except act 3 bosses.For A10 I got lucky with the candle bitch giving me Bright Flame. It's not an infinite, since I have to spend max hp for it, but once I exhausted down to 10 cards I can loop Pact's End and Bright Flame till both act bosses were dead
>>735831115cascade is pseudo card draw, don't like your hand, no block or didn't hit your power card? cascade and hope for the best. it's always useful
>>735830973Chad unlike other characters like to face tank, and damage race against the enemy, so don't hesitate to pick up more offensive cards than defensive. Your damage gets big enough you can kill them before they can scale
>exploding elephant clears weakness on deathAbsolute bullshit.
>>735831303Found this out today as well, it's very gay
>>735830973You can take a lot more punishment with Ironclad than with others. He even has an archetype of doing self damage for benefits.So you don't have to autistically calculate damage/block every turn. Just unga bunga
>>735831332>centipede revives before doom procs>sandlion boss eats you before dying to poison
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